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ChristiTutionalist Politics (CTP S1E37) "AI"
Artificial Intelligence in online World (many firms using, instead of having humans checks (but, of course, Garbage In via human programming = Garbage Out)) has been around a long time already but the General Public is just now becoming far more aware of "AI" its capabilities, its limitations, its use now vs then and its likely further future use/growth.
Also, Liz Entin returns to the Show in Segment-2 to discuss AI (honesty, ethics, integrity, plagiarism, quotations, copyright law, ChatBotsAI TOS, etc) questions in the Writing/Publishing realm and more.
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Episode related pieces...
- https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/ai-services-and-the-law/
- How to Write a Book and Get It Published: Hints, Tips & Techniques https://tinyurl.com/WriteAndPublishSupplement
- https://beforeitsnews.com/christian-news/2024/01/christitutionalist-tm-politics-s1ejanspecial-special-guest-liz-entin-atheist-you-do-not-want-to-miss-this-2620204.html
- Liz on IG: https://www.instagram.com/wtf_just_happened_/
- Liz's podcast: https://www.wtfjusthappened.net/book-afterlife-evidence-grief
- Liz's book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BCXKS9RV?ref_=pe_3052080_276849420
- https://www.youtube.com/@wtfjusthappened

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Welcome to ChristiTutionalist Politics podcast aka CTP in association with TheLibertyBeacon.com and I am your host Joseph M Lenard and that's L E N A R D CTP is your no muss no fuss just me you And occasional guest type podcast as Graham Norton would say let's get on with the show

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Today's show is about AI. As a former IT guy, it's a topic I felt I had to eventually get around to and into and I've said over and over how the show corresponds and correlates with the Liberty Beacon.com piece. They complement each other. Sometimes they are very similar, sometimes they are very different. There is always something different in the show than in the piece and in the piece that's in the show. This time the show, Constitutional Politics on AI is going to be very different than the Liberty Beacon.com piece. So make sure you check that out also. I am going to mention by way of starting something that's in the Liberty Beacon.com piece as Rush the Rock Group, not the radio show guy. You just sing or still does encounter it, I'm sure, via their show The Spirit of Radio. You've probably heard the song, no doubt whether you're a fan or not. You undoubtedly heard the tune. But what they sung about regarding the music industry then holds true regarding AI and the book and movie industry today. Rush in the spirit of Radio goes on to say, all this machinery making modern music can still be openhearted. Not so foolish-hearted, really just a question of your honesty. Yeah, your honesty. And that's the same here today with AI and people. I would dare say dishonest people, lazy people, unimaginative people, plagiarists, clauding gay. We've talked about her recently in TLB pieces stealing an AI thing and claiming it as their own. Now, terms of service aside, whether that's morally and or copyright law catching up to it eventually or not, the legal or not is of course one question. But again, your moral values and degree of honesty with yourself as well as others. I don't use AI other than in my books, a spell checker is an old form of AI and frankly, hopefully the grammar checker aspects of the AI get better because Microsoft Word's version of spell and grammar check isn't all that great. Like for instance, 2-2-2, the two dichotomy. T-O, T-O-O, T-W-O, spelling and grammar checker will accept any of the three regardless of whether it's proper in the sentence you've put it in because the AI isn't sophisticated enough to understand and actually look at the complete context of the sentence within the paragraph, within the page, within the chapter to say, oh, T-O is not correct. They meant T-O-O or T-W-O where they put T-O-O accidentally. Maybe it was typographical, you know, just a brain fart, whatever. But on this show, I'm sticking more or less with the book industry being an author and the author of How to Write a Book and Give it Published Hints, Tips and Techniques. Also, I will be talking with Liz Enten again if you remember that name, the January Special. What is an atheist doing on a Christian show where I talk to her about the afterlife, me from a religious standpoint, her from an atheist scientific aspect of direction. She was coming at it from, but we both agreed there is something more beyond this life. That's not the point here. I mentioned Liz again because I will be having Liz on another show, another special. Maybe we might record it. It hasn't been recorded yet and of course things could always fall through, but I've invited Elizabeth Enten back to discuss writing and publishing, talk about her journey bringing WTF just happened to the masses about her book about afterlife, her epiphany, her enlightenment regarding that subject. So I'm inviting her back. Hopefully we can make that work and we'll have a discussion on writing and publishing in general. So it relates, she relates in this. The same is true with movies. Many of you may have already heard Bruce Willis has signed a likeness and image contract with the studio because his health is bad. Let me throw these out before I forget. 1981 movie Looker with Susan Day, LVS, the Partridge family and Albert Finney. You will see embeds of the trailer for that movie in the TLB piece as well as trailer for Stemone or Sim One depending on how you would pronounce that. The more recent Al Pacino movie which broaches the concept of a Hollywood movie studio literally could buy a create computer in their office. Never have to leave the office and create a movie product using someone's likeness and image done by AI. All the background, no need for sets done by AI. They can replicate Rome anytime or Russia anytime or Washington DC anytime past, present, future, sci-fi, future, places. You've no doubt, or at least I hope for the point of the show, have seen AI imagining life elsewhere. Well on this planet the environment is such and this kind of life it's imagining of what that life could and would look like that could live on that planet. So AI can be good as long as we're honest and upfront about what's happening there. That AI is doing it but I want to pivot back to books again being an author and honesty. I've spoken out on this all the time. I was on a webinar last year. I lasted ten minutes on a Save the Cat webinar. Ten minutes in I discovered that not only was she peddling formulaic writing which to me is dishonest which is not to say certain elements and aspects of things will be in virtually every novel. Every novel can't be 100% original. There are certain writing elements and aspects that one or another will bring in that makes sense but my point here is is it honest like in Terrestrix coming soon to a city near I'm not going to tell you it's unlike any and every other book ever written. That wouldn't be realistic. That would be a lie. There are certain story telling aspects that you put in but what I'm saying about the honesty is this save the cat through not only was she peddling formulaic writing which again is dishonest. There are certain writers who have no creativity and imagination so they take the formula and basically borrow somebody else's story. Change the name change the time change the locations but the same basic story and why do they do that? They're just out for money. Title A was a success so I can copy title A and just change the names, dates, and locations and hope my title B is a big hit like title A was. You see that a lot in movies that to me is being dishonest. You're not an honest storyteller. You're following the formula. 10% and you do this. 10% 20% of the way in that. 30% 40% 50% 60% 70 80 90 things you do whether they relate really to the story if you're writing an honest story you're trying to bring across or not. X, Y, and Z in surveys it's been shown is popular so author 77 decides I'm going to copy X, Y, and Z and put it in my book or my movie because it's popular hoping to sucker people into buying my book or seeing my movie because I'll put it in the trailer X, Y, and Z is in the movie whether it has any real bearing on the plot the story is supposed to be portraying or not. So back to Rush not so foolish-hearted for someone who's out to sucker and can people out of money right it's really just your question of your honesty as Neil Pert wrote in those lyrics of that song same thing here with AI people going to AI tell me a story about such and such or I'm writing an article with these key points still in the blanks for me that's dishonest it's dishonest it should be illegal in my mind that's plagiarism pure and simple it may not be technically yet under the law the copyright law that will not have caught up to our modern times but this is all like Rush saying about the music industry then and writing regarding books and movies and online articles today modern technology as part of the creation and or delivery process I wanted to make this show specific to that but yes aspects and other aspects will be in the little birdie excuse me I cleared my throat on one episode the phone rang on another episode and now I'm burping on this episode that's laughter I'm saying that out loud for benefit of those reading the transcript I'm gonna leave it in because again how many times if I said I'm just gonna be raw and uncut and upfront not as with you that this is the no-must-no-fuss show you're getting it as I'm giving it blemishes at all at any rate which I've addressed I have come into the bad habit of using far too often now at any rate AI and it will be something else down the road technology is always changing how we choose to accept or reject as a level of our moral compass our personal desire to be honest or not matters so let me throw back again hopefully now I put the rush to spirit of radio tune in your head I'm laughing again for the benefit of the transcript readers and that happens to me all the time I'll be online and somebody will say something just the way my brain works damn musical tune is now in my head because a word or another was there and borrowed it but back to that webinar it was called save the cat so not only was she dishonest in my opinion dealing in formulaic writing herself she wasn't even imaginative in her stealing of how to pedal formulaic writing save the cat think hunger games and hunger games the books the movies very formulaic which is not to say I didn't enjoy the hunger I didn't read the books I enjoyed the movies they can still be entertaining but it is what it is and I'm being honest about what it is it could still be enjoying enjoyable but for somebody like me and now you that understands this formula concept that people are really just copying cut and pasting and changing names dates and locations to fool you to sucker you into buying they are now copying not on original piece she stole from the hunger games calling it save the cat because save the cat is normally metaphorical or analogical a demonstration of that 10% in to and I get this with the movie let me make this clear while I'm thinking about it there's a difference in a movie and a book obviously a book you have more time and space to still in things you can could should not be formulaic in a book whereas movies are usually going to be more formulaic because they only have an hour hour and a half two hours two and a half hours to get across some points and to get you to feel a certain way about a character or characters although I saw Argyle the other day love the movie Argyle because there's a bunch of twists and turns and plot shifts and oh wow are they really a good guy or bad guy or as I've discussed in the gray areas parts one and part two shows and TLB pieces gray area no one is necessarily all good no one is necessarily all bad there's a lot of gray area in between so Argyle takes you on a rollercoaster journey of flip-flopping of whoa what are they good are they bad I don't know it's very entertaining but hunger games in hunger games save the cat methodology is literal now I use the word literal but I'm talking about a fictional story so obviously it isn't literal it's still figurative but I think you understand what I mean when I use the word literal that Katniss literally Katniss and crew come upon a lost starving kitten what does Katniss do insist on saving the cat yet how they stole that as part of a formula and that formulaic concept is showing how your character if it's a hero is morally superior to anyone and everywhere around there establishing early on this is the hero of our story you're supposed to like this person gravitate to this person blah blah blah blah yada yada yada yada try to find a more imaginative way of doing it please in a book at least but the crew oh we're all starving already we cannot have another mouth to feed let alone it be this cat leave the cat behind Katniss know we must save the cat to demonstrate I'm the hero my moral superiority overall others again in a movie you've got short time to establish your heroes and villains again unless of course you're doing plot to a slayer where the hero really is the villain villain they you know they were fooling you to try to let you think it was the hero but in the end they're the villain you've seen that too that is a formula in and of itself now that's not to say that certain elements aren't going to be in virtually any and every book my point here about honesty I mentioned XYZ let me borrow that for this whether it fits does X Y and Z really honestly fit in the story or are you copying it to be dishonest to try to sucker people and to buying it that is my point here try to use some imagination bottom line going back to AI the moral question of what you can use of it to maybe spur some of your own thoughts and originality as opposed to letting it do the work and you cut and pasting it and claiming it in my mind that's plagiarism as your own or not and that's what this episode bottom line really is about your morality your honesty questioning others morality and honesty with that I think I'm gonna wrap it up oh I was gonna say about the elements and unless it's like Star Trek they invented Klingon and Romulan language to have something completely new something completely different nobody else has this because we invented that specifically for this great that's wonderful but other than that other aspects of the Star Trek stories are obviously borrowed elements they're often telling the same moral of the story type delivery of a message in an episode or a movie so does your element fit and language there are only so many certain words in the English language now yell the dictionary is pretty thick and there is such a thing as a sassaris so you can avoid using the same words as everybody else to some degree but you're still limited unless it's like flowers for Algernon if you read that in school as part of classical literature which pretty much none of which is being read it's all radicalism raunch and perversion and CRT garbage books in the schools rather than the classic books flowers for Algernon obviously was very different in a novel concept the up unintended the novel concept in that novel being of course the person's mental incapacity and diminished ability at no side attempted jab at Joe Biden here but some of the you will assume such in certain parts of flowers for Algernon the grammar the punctuation the spelling is purposely made a mess to show his lack of education and state of mind versus later versus then the regression at the end of the book very wonderful new concept there those type of brand new and completely different brilliant story deliveries are going to be few and far between because we all have shared life experience and shared like past books past movies past music that is going to influence us but I'm saying do not consciously try to borrow just to copy to take a shortcut for you to cheat for you to be dishonest I hope I've driven that point home I've tried to cover it and explain it as many different ways as I could within the framework of since this is a podcast it's an entertainment show as well as hopefully educational it's a audio and video media on the internet so using technology demonstrating the issues bottom lines of morality honesty or dishonesty is the same old message throughout all time just the different times have brought about different questions of whether you're willing to be honest or not thank you all for tuning in take care and God bless

[ChristiTutionalist Politics podcast - Segment 1]

JOSEPH M LENARD: hello to a second segment of an AI show and this makes sense to me as a second segment as we will be talking writing and publishing and AI is in that mix now so those of you looking on the behind-the-scenes video version of the show can see the guests and probably thinking oh no not that chick again just kidding just a little fun loving jab welcome back to the show Elizabeth and then I thank you for having me back hey if I didn't like you I wouldn't joke
LIZ ENTIN: with you I totally get it I'm not offended I joke around a lot of my friends
JOSEPH M LENARD: people too so I'm all offended by those kinds of big first thing hopefully people if they haven't already seen the January special with you we'll go back after this and watch it but also for those looking on a video I've got your book here you have my book and thank you the very first thing I got to start with though is I'm actually surprised and I say this but you know not not saying I wasn't expecting anything from you or out of you like I don't mean that what I mean is I'm surprised at myself and I'm worried others might make the same bad assumption I have no idea why I didn't ask you how many pages I don't remember you volunteering but I was expecting 200 pages this is a thick book you are
LIZ ENTIN: very thorough in this book it's a big book I have to give a disclaimer though it's written very fun and lightly despite talking about science and grief to kind of pick topics and people have said in fact I've gotten to that in a lot of reviews that people said it's actually just a really fast read like I kind of want to make like a beach read personality is some heavy topics yeah yeah the last
JOSEPH M LENARD: page with a number on it is 449 and of course there are other don't be intimidated
LIZ ENTIN: yeah please I promise it's like a really I write in a super conversational tone
LIZ ENTIN: you know I don't want to feel like a thick dance book at all yeah I was
JOSEPH M LENARD: expecting I don't know what but I got worn piece just kidding I'm not that good a writer but I'll take it but again I don't know what gave me that impression that I thought you know was a 30,000 foot view quick 200 page read and so I wanted to address that first in case others accidentally got that impression which again I don't know why yeah probably I mean it's probably
LIZ ENTIN: because I speak about it in a light tone because again it's a fast read you know people have said I think it also looks a little longer because the way I do the dialogue I do it you know that uses a little more space I mean not that that would make that many extra pages but the spacings I use like play script dialogues a blog dialogue style you know so I think that's how a lot of people you know we're always reading little memes and little blog posts and that's how dialogues written there so again that's part of making it a very engaging more people said kind of a blog tone fast read despite when people look at the
JOSEPH M LENARD: book and before we go any further holding up the book those who see it I'm behind the scenes video that's great but this is an audio show mainly so of course we need to tell them the title WTF just happened it is about a a science-y skeptic explores grief healing and evidence of an afterlife so before I forget so the audio people and now it will be in the transcript of the show they know what we're talking about and I wrote down dialogue I want to circle back to that later then but the other thing that kind of surprised me was there's no table of contents yes there is oh my god I've got to speak to my editors and we have a table of contents I promise author note tight half title page where did you order it off of introduction Amazon chapter one no TOC
LIZ ENTIN: it's in there and I see it on my Kindle one I just was using my Kindle reading off it for my audiobook I have to reach out to Amazon and my producer because there's some that's a glitch I'm really sorry it's supposed to have one the one I'm my one does so I think there might have been like maybe there's a glitch batch which unfortunately I heard sometimes happens to Amazon and I am so glad you told me that because I'm gonna reach out to them today and say what is going on okay like the PDF or whatever it is or not MOB that I upload it's there so I think they're I can't tell you why it's not supposed to do that but I have
JOSEPH M LENARD: had books I've ordered of my chair strikes coming soon to a city near you I don't we ever had one book that was a miss run up pages were missing but yeah I take missing a beginning or an ending pages makes how a table of contents would accidentally get left out is is really weird in bizarre glad you told me I am
LIZ ENTIN: gonna look at that today yeah that's very weird yeah yeah I mean I've I've gotten the author copies I bought copies that you know I sell it events and it's there
LIZ ENTIN: so I'm gonna check my latest batch and see I'm so sorry about that I feel
JOSEPH M LENARD: that doesn't look as professional as I was well that's not on you then but that ends that line of questioning as to why would anybody leave out a table of contents I I'm sure someone somewhere could argue why you wouldn't do that and I thought I might get a defense of that from you but that was a mistake
LIZ ENTIN: right it's not at all copies because I've literally been working all my people look on that it's all my Kindle version reading my
JOSEPH M LENARD: audiobooks so I'm gonna go look at that today yeah I mean I mean if you want I literally can put this in the mail to you I trust you I'm gonna just share I've looked over and over several times you know what I need to do I need to go on Amazon and the reason I thought why would anyone leave out a table of contents is because most books are sold online now and most people want to cheat they want to use like Amazon has the look inside feature to find the table of contents and see those chapter titles so yeah I thought that was really odd now after after we're done recording I'm gonna go on Amazon to you will look inside your book and confirm the table of contents is there or not to let me know because if
LIZ ENTIN: not I'm gonna have to do a re-upload or reach out to them or you know was it a mistake in a re-upload I did but I don't think so I can't see how I have I I'm curious you tell me if you find anything about that yeah well it let us be a
JOSEPH M LENARD: lesson to any potential authors looking to publish sometimes things go wrong right you've got to stay on top of it always but like you said you read three new copies there was supposedly no issue so I'd be curious when you do reach out to Amazon what they say and respond I'm dying of curiosity but now you mentioned dialogue because I have an issue and I have you know reviews can go anywhere on the web right there's not just Amazon there's books a million there's Barnes and Noble and there's good reads there's big foot yes all kinds of places reviews could go but sadly sometimes like at Barnes and Noble if there aren't any reviews people assume no one's buying the book and that sometimes can be you know not farther from the truth but I don't think in those terms so I created a terrorist strike dot info slash reviews page to bring them all together but the reason I mentioned that is on the reviews page that I got a review that someone gave me a somewhat negative review a kind other purchaser of my book gave me review basically rebutting that person's review because they were again this has to do with assumptions for whatever reason I never claimed to be a dialogue narrative type I am a descriptive narrative writer but for whatever reason they wanted more dialogue so they didn't give me a good review citing there wasn't enough dialogue I never claimed there would be a lot of dialogue and you know just because you didn't find what you assumed you might you know what about the substance of the book apart from that but like I said another reviewer kindly came back and said you know there's two different times of narrative and he's just not the dialogue type I didn't put a lot of dialogue but I mentioned that because in a book like this you wouldn't expect dialogue but yet you're saying you used it as a delivery mechanism to
LIZ ENTIN: bring part of the points across there's a lot of dialogue because I share the science of afterlife evidence by sharing my story of how I explored it which involves a lot of conversations I share some of my personal conversations just about grief and socializing like I make it in a very because I think sometimes when people are reading to get information sometimes it can be presented in a driveway so I wanted to make it like taking someone along my experiences what was going on in my brain while I was just having these kind of crazy experiences as well as emotional experiences and making it like I'm not like I'm teaching you or you're in a lecture in a school but like we're sitting down we're friends we're having a coffee and I'm like oh my god you have no idea the craziest things happen and that's the tone of my book rather than you're going to university lecture and I mean both have their merits and both you can learn a lot from both but just who I am and how I my personality is more like hey let's get a coffee oh my god like I'm gonna talk my writing is as if I'm talking to you rather than you know exactly or you know like literary and I appreciate reading all of the above but my writing styles one way that's
JOSEPH M LENARD: exactly the point of why I bring it up because there are different writing styles and you know I forget the book is it the great Gatsby either is all dialogue or no dialogue I forget which of the two but the the reviewer I think it's no
LIZ ENTIN: dialogue okay because I don't remember from visualizing reading it and I don't remember dialogue but I haven't read it in a long time same with me that's why
JOSEPH M LENARD: I don't remember but they used it as an example in their review so yeah there's different writing styles and each person may have their preference and that's kind of the point now normally would save to an end of the segment how do people reach out that where do they get your book we've already discussed it's available at Amazon now like I have tear-stricts that info slash shop a shop people can order autograph copies of my books direct from me can they give an autograph copy of your book from you anywhere yeah you know what I should add
LIZ ENTIN: that to my website I've mainly just been doing that in in-person events but I should add that because my website links to all the places you can buy it because just as of two weeks ago it's on Barnes and Noble it used to just be on Amazon now it's on everywhere you want to support indie shops it's on them it's it's been distributed everywhere so you can go to my website WTF just happened dot net and I'm getting good feedback from you fix the table of contents fixes yeah I will add an option just to buy direct an autograph copy directly from me right now that's just been added in person events yeah I mean I like if
JOSEPH M LENARD: whenever possible to get an autograph copy from the author I mean that's just a nice added thing to have this party your book on bookshelf so I wanted to remember before I forgot to ask that so that that was a possibility the other thing I really wanted to touch on because we've been discussing behind the scenes offline you've entered the phase of like I just dropped Christitutionalist politics the book audio book exclusively through Google Play and you and I have been conversing about you're in the audio book phase
LIZ ENTIN: how's that going it's going I got you know it was going pretty well I to be honest I got sick and I lost my voice so things are really behind it's fun though like I'm having to rerecord parts of it which I think is just part of the process and what I've done for the dialogue is for some of the people I'm getting some people to read themselves which is really fun oh yeah yeah I can't get everybody you know because people are busy and you know you can only people some people have the time and interest to do this some are too busy and some are like oh god I don't want my voice anyway so you know you have to respect what people say and somebody you know who is a big character in the book who's passed away I hired a voice actor you know because I was trying to his various intense voice and she's very important to me and every time I tried to even imply her voice I sounded like I was mocking her and I'm like oh god that's the like the opposite of what I want and so I hired an active voice actor as an actor and she was it was very emotional like getting to hear the words in her voice again so it was kind of special experience yeah audio books
JOSEPH M LENARD: are nice and I've had people asking for my terror strikes book to be an audio book and I have an audio book page on my website that I suggest instead they do it on a device that Alexa or Siri can just read it to them you don't really need an audio book and a lot of publishers are indeed dissuading people from doing audio books for that very reason the technology can just do any book as an audio book for you but it's nice like with what you're doing to have the actual author reading it and or other voices like you're introducing but that's the other aspect when you bring in other people especially voice actors like terror strikes I'd need three one the narrator one my character and one that deals with a letter to the editor that's in there and therefore that cost means my ROI might never happen are you worried about that at all no well
LIZ ENTIN: because I'm only hiring one person like in a perfect world with more money at this point you know hopefully down the line I would hire someone to do every single voice of the people who didn't want to do them themselves there isn't so much dialogue it hasn't cost that that much and I also think in a perfect world well in terms of just finding out that Siri and you know apps can read it for you I kind of like that because in a perfect world again I think I would like to give the listeners the option to have me read it or a professional and you can get both you buy you get both and you or you choose which one you want to buy you get a sample of both because you know it's a different experience I'm the author it's my story no one knows the intonations the emotions better than me I'm not a professional audio recorder and some people you know I mean some people write mean reviews of my podcast I write great reviews but you know some people are like her voice is this I'm like well you know it's my that's my voice what can I do about it you know it and I do work on it as a podcast sir but it's my voice I'm not a pro and there's a different audio experience when you listen to a professional voice actor voice over expert they have a love over climate I mean I can't compete with that if that's what you want you know they've worked on their voice that's what they do full-time for years they probably are actors anyway they're you know singers I mean voices their expert that's not you know no I don't have as beautiful a voice as a voice actor and you know some people prefer the authenticity some people want that very professional voice and I think for when I think about I tend to like to buy books from the authors because they have us like there's a layer of emotion in it that is missing from professional but I know that's a personal choice and yeah I would like to give my audience the choice but it's like you know at this point it's so much money I'm like you know and now knowing that if they prefer to have it more professional but I would think a certain soul would be missing from it doing listening to the series and so if you're buying a more professorial academic book or informative book great like I would probably like that but again mine's like very conversational and intonation's really
JOSEPH M LENARD: like the key of the book I think that's an important point the type of book it is makes me difference as to whether you want the author or just you know a voice actor or an AI reading it being fine but I think we've got the headline for the show Liz admits her voice is subpar just playing just all in the fun of just another loving tease well an interesting thing I want
LIZ ENTIN: to share with you because I just heard it because you mentioned AI at the beginning of this there's it's become a little bit of a scandal in the politics world but you know there's apparently because it was used for political calls like tricking people but I there's an audio a company now that does audio voices and if you it's for not much money as I was like to a pocket's about it for five dollars you can uploads like 20 seconds I mean a very small amount maybe it was like five minutes max of somebody's voice and then you can type in words and they'll use that person's voice and I was like that would be great to do people for the audio books but it would to do I don't know how it would sound I don't know how authentic but also to do it ethically I wouldn't do that without someone's permission and be like oh I have this person like a call with them or and now I can do that with their dialogue like they would have to authenticate that but I think you know out of ethics and respect but for people who are really busy and don't want to read their own lines and they're in dialogue like or for voice actors to you know I mean I think there's a lot possible ways if we don't because I don't think it's really fair to take someone's voice and monetize it without them getting kickbacks or if it's a person you're writing about you know non-professional like if yeah I could do that with any of the characters and doing that without their permission I I mean I would feel like the worst person in the world you know that person
JOSEPH M LENARD: not the worst but pretty horrible that is exactly why this segment is added on to the AI that's it the ethics of AI in publishing or as you said deep fakes for fraud fraudinally trying to portray something as someone having said something that isn't what they've said never said never would say and even just the use of AI for book content plagiarism laws and copyright laws will have to over the next several years catch up and be modified because like the deal with clauding gay and plagiarism not having given proper attribution to things that should have been quotes she portrayed as her own words to me I would never use chat GPT or any of these for that very reason to me it's dishonest to do so to set you know oh here's my topic here's a few bullet points have it spew it out and then you claim it as your own whether the terms of service of their product allow it or not and sometimes we're already discovering the chat box are plagiarizing so you may be plagiarizing somebody else thinking it was the AI that came up with it when really the AI which mainly gets its content from other internet back up providers listed it also so not only honesty and ethics you could put yourself into legal jeopardy doing that
LIZ ENTIN: right and I hear people get kicked off Amazon like if they think you're plagiarizing and you know I mean I have mixed feelings you should be kicked off of your plagiarizing a hundred percent but they also don't have humans checking it they don't review this so it's AI and then AI is kicking so people are getting unfairly kicked off and now I'm a little worried because my next book I have like some there's portions where it's quotes from magazines but they're about me and I'm like and I clearly credit it or I'm quoting like a whole paragraph from Wikipedia but I clearly say that but I'm like could an AI buy like go through then your band from Amazon or they say if you do AI with your photos like I mean maybe people I don't know like it just seems like I think people obviously there's a lot of people are I've even heard stealing other people's work and taking credit for it on Amazon and they should be kicked off but it's just people just get a note their their accounts been terminated and it seems like I'm some in other groups that I'll see that and I'm like but you know the person's whole livelihoods messed up and they haven't done anything wrong it's just because it's you know I think I think there should be like a quote-unquote trial like a type of trial before you're kicked off and you have to explain and if you're like oh I quoted this or oh apparently my cover was plagiarized and I didn't know it and I hired someone and paid them a thousand dollars to my cover and there is there's a lot of innocent mistakes and I think people should not be automatically kicked off you should be one warning and tell you why
JOSEPH M LENARD: because people aren't told why yeah they should be given like you said a cover you hire somebody and they listed an image you have no idea you should be given a chance to correct that situation to change your cover absolutely and it's like pulling teeth to give a human to talk to to appeal anything because you're right these companies have their own terms of service they're their own entity there is no such thing as due process under law based on our constitutional right in that situation because constitutional politics too that I planned for June of this year is going to have several pages a whole chapter of quotations and now you got me worried
LIZ ENTIN: right and it's like yeah and it's like yeah the bot could find that like I have pages that are published somewhere else yeah they're quotes and they're about me and then a Wikipedia one that's about the topic that I'm talking about Wikipedia so if a person went through if it was flagged by an AI and then a person looked and then they saw and they're like oh this is this this is fine so I don't I mean I don't know but I'll nervous I keep thinking about that and I like do I talk to Amazon about it and you know I don't know yeah you got me a bit worried
JOSEPH M LENARD: now too because even at the end of my quotations chapter I go out of my way to say because of the clauding gay plagiarism thing these quotes to the best of my knowledge are attributed to the original person who said it but someone could have lifted it from someone else without my knowledge I am quoting who I honestly believe to be the originator but right if Amazon gonna pay the attention to me even having that specifically in the book a disclaimer or
LIZ ENTIN: just kicked me off like you said usually in these situations like the unfair ones you get back on but it's months it's like you're losing so much revenue you're losing you know no disability and you're losing time and you're also I'm sure super anxious so you're reaching out you're having to go through hoops and probably hire somebody and hire experts and like hire lawyers and it's a nightmare you do get back on if you haven't done anything wrong usually but but in the
JOSEPH M LENARD: meantime your reputation also is in question right I mean you could be open
LIZ ENTIN: about why if I like look I have these quotes and it was clear you know and they use an AI I think but still I mean it's not it's it's a really unfair way again they should send you an email and say it's come up you're gonna be kicked off within two weeks if you don't address this then you address it and if you're like this is the quote this is the thing is that not allowed then a human would say oh yeah that's fine you know yeah I know that's not change yet you know
JOSEPH M LENARD: leave yeah and I think a big part of the problem is I'm a former IT guys there's a lot of people out there that think AI was like invented yesterday it has just started to be used now no it's becoming more prevalent and you're hearing about it more but it's been in use for when you use Microsoft Word and click spell and grammar check that's AI and it's unfortunately barely I because you know how I I often talk about it hopefully one day will get smart enough it needs to be smarter that's why you need an editor because of the two problem right to TO TOO TWO grammar check won't catch the wrong to whereas if AI were smart enough as it should be it should take the context of the paragraph and say well obviously or at least prompt the reader this could be an issue are you sure this is the right to you're looking for here so again I bring that up because and how to write a book and get a publish hints tips and techniques I talk about the importance of hiring a professional editor whose language is English primarily English not as their second language because you can get editing done cheaply out of India but they're not PhD Oxford trained and actually understand the Chicago writing guide silings right right I mean and you
LIZ ENTIN: know the average person trained doesn't you know I mean when I'm going through with my editor now there's things that he's like no you actually have to do it like just the little things I would know like when I put numbers and dialogue or doctor I have to write it out that's one thing I learned if it's in dialogue if it's otherwise you put it as a number and then a certain number I mean just things you don't know if you're not highly trained and a professional editor
JOSEPH M LENARD: is there to catch that for you because they understand the proper Chicago writing guide style guidelines and look for those things that we yeah as somebody without a PhD would I'm gonna catch and same with someone abroad you might save a few bucks but you might make yourself look foolish in the long run by having a less quality book so I you know you want to find a good publisher and a good editor that's helping you you can do it on the cheap and just upload anything to Amazon but you'll probably pay for it in the reviews I even I had a friend whose daughter teases her father endlessly because of a book he put out that wasn't professionally added and she teases him endlessly about the pore grammar in her father's book
LIZ ENTIN: your kids are way funny you know not only better if you're canceled over like you
JOSEPH M LENARD: live it down now unless it's like I'm not sure growing up you had to read flowers for Algernon or not yes I of course bad grammar in proper spellings silly placements of punctuation were part of the whole point of the book to show the development stages of the person who had educational values but your book one would assume isn't doing that and you want it overall in parts of
LIZ ENTIN: the dialogue or I do playful words like science see that's I don't I people start to use it more so as we come real word I do like yeah I text stuff there's little things I do but overall yeah you have to know you're doing it wrong and I have to have a purpose you know exactly there is a point to what
JOSEPH M LENARD: you're doing and that's part of the going back and forth with the editor unfortunately editors while they're getting paid well I dare say are kind of lazy they should read your book front to cover first then go back and edit because like with my book yeah does that I have amazing at it all that
LIZ ENTIN: miles a lot of to miles he's not lazy he's awesome yeah a lot of editors will
JOSEPH M LENARD: just jump in the first chapter and start marking things what you can't know if something is purposefully sad a certain way as a foreshadow for a call back later or there's points and purposes to why I chose a certain word that you know maybe if I were writing Shakespeare wouldn't be the right one right but I'm not writing Oxford Kings English I purposely engaging like you said in a
LIZ ENTIN: bit of wordplay right especially like in the dialogue parts like if I'm writing dialogue people don't people that you enjoy speaking with don't speak so flawlessly I'll put it that way you know you got the pretentious and that creates a distance when someone speaks so perfectly you know what I mean oh yeah and unless they're giving a lecture but there's like you feel a distance and you feel more engaged with people are speaking them formally so there's things I write in the dialogue that are imperfect grammar you know and right I mean I think that's important like a lack of perfect grammar at times can have like a like a sonatic is not the right word I'm you know like intonations that like engage you and I think there's that can be really a great tool to bring to writing if you're wanting to kind of be equal to the readers there's like the people you're my friend there's again as we're talking about the tone where I'm I'm the expert I'm educating or I mean there's very different tones but you know it's a different yeah rhythm you know depending
JOSEPH M LENARD: on the role you're trying to write dialogue between two people you would assume the two people generally know each other and therefore are going to engage each other in a certain so you want them to sound like normal average people on your block whereas if they sound like they're from the Queen's Court all pretentious and uptight you're right not in less effects necessary for the character it's gonna put off a lot of people exactly and it just I don't even
LIZ ENTIN: necessarily think it's always a conscious put off like Ovets so proper it's just like people you'll be reading something you know so you've read three pages and nothing's gone in your head I think if you don't draw people in in a real friend way unless again it's like an educational book and an expert teaching you the material and you're excited about it unless like you know that casual language draw split I think a lot of it's too formal you're reading and reading and you're like wait what did I just spend the past five minutes reading and
LIZ ENTIN: nothing's gone in and absolutely okay well as you know I discussed on the show
JOSEPH M LENARD: you were on before I tend to try to not go very long today's Twitter attention span I call it any episode that's long you're not gonna get many new people come in on because you know they want short and quick if they want they like you and you know think your shows have good content they can come they'll come for the longer one so I'm gonna draw it to a close here so again tell us where
LIZ ENTIN: to find you right so my book is WTF just happened a sciencey skeptic explores grief healing and evidence of the afterlife my second book will be coming out in April it's gonna be WTF just happened with a different tagline that we haven't finalized because the WTF's staying the brand you can go to Amazon Barnes and Noble but you can link to all of them through my website WTF just happened dot net and you can also find my podcast there which is also WTF just happened all about the afterlife no woo yeah and
JOSEPH M LENARD: that's it another thing I'll throw in just before we conclude we discuss this offline the fact that you're using WTF can cause red flags all over the place because people you know are taking it as your well swearing if I swear I don't
LIZ ENTIN: like my book I don't use it for too it asleep but I think it is part of normal human dialogue that ties into the personality you know it's how I speak so you know yeah and you have a right if you don't want to read it like you're gonna tell by my book like with all due respect I don't mean that rudely but
JOSEPH M LENARD: right but like today's social media a lot of that can get your book could be flagged because they may think it troll activity somebody you know staying that you know what I mean so I just want to yeah I'm blocked from advertised I
LIZ ENTIN: can't advertise it on Amazon and I did funny social media posts about that if you I know that's my Instagram I'm like yeah they bought that I can't advertise I wrote like a 99 cent mini book that basically summarizes a little bit of this I'm like I tell them why and like if you want to buy my main book this is here you know you know but I can't you know so I can advertise it's a funny story yeah
JOSEPH M LENARD: all right have a good one let's talk to you later thank you so much so good to
LIZ ENTIN: talk to you again stay a touch

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