Family Roots to Creative Routes - Raha Copenhagen with Nsimire Godman

In this week's episode, we connect with Nsimire Godman, Founder of Raha Copenhagen. This Denmark-based creative shares how a humble background in Rwanda and a spark of creativity during the pandemic led her to create inclusive, aesthetically pleasing soy wax candles. Listen as Nsimire recounts her year-long journey of mastering the craft, overcoming challenges, and discovering a niche market in the Danish capital, Copenhagen. 

As we know, entrepreneurship is best done with support and community, and Nsimire's beautiful journey to starting and running a business, is a good illustration of this. Her mother's financial savvy, her husband's business operations expertise and her mother in-law's artistic input have all been instrumental in turning her passion into a flourishing small-batch production company. Nsimire also shares how she also surrounds herself with allies and strives to create inclusive spaces for others who might not enjoy the same support she does.

Nsimire also shares that her soy wax candle business is sustainable by design - from reusing materials to keep her business eco-friendly to sourcing materials from eco-friendly suppliers and only making products to order....  

As always, this conversation is Shades and Layers' style - lots of candor and humor. 

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Transcript

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 0:04

Hello and welcome to Shades and Layers. I'm your Kutloano Skosana Ricci. Today, my guest is Nsimire Godman, F founder of Raha C Kopenhagen. Her small batch production company offers her customers inclusive and aesthetically pleasing soy wax candles for the home. Nsimire is based in the capital city of Denmark, where she also runs her travel and fashion YouTube channel and Instagram page called Flights and Fabrics. Her love for sharing all things creative, coupled with a pandemic-era hobby as well as mandated sick leave, led to founding of Raha Copenhagen. She envisions the brand as something that will move beyond lifestyle and include wellness and self-care. In our discussion, she talks about why wellness is such an important tenet in the foundation of her brand. She also shares her journey from Rwanda to Kenya, to Copenhagen. Here is Nsimire's story.

Nsimire Godman: 1:08

My name is Nsimire Godman, that's my new name , and I am the founder of Raha Copenhagen, which is a candle business where I produce candles in my own home. For now, at least, I call them very special candles because they are made of soy wax, which is much different to paraffin, which is the product we use on all kinds of candles.

Nsimire Godman: 1:38

So that's basically what I do

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 1:39

. So before we get into the specifics, let's talk about how you came to this work and how you would describe it

Nsimire Godman: 1:48

yeah, it's a funny story and I think we've we've touched upon it earlier on.

Nsimire Godman: 1:54

I love candles, I've always been into candles. I I feel like they give a certain mood, they give a certain calm environment around you. But I go way back with candles and it's like from humble beginnings, where I come from Rwanda originally and my family. There was a point in our lives where we weren't privileged in terms of our economics, so sometimes we won't have enough money to pay off our electricity bills, so we will use candles. So there have always been a thing in my life that I have around the house. Um, call it a trauma, whatever, but you, I just need a candle in my house just in case electricity.

Nsimire Godman: 2:40

And as I grew older I figured, well, you can use candles positively rather than a necessary thing to have in your house. So I tapped into that because I love having, as I said, I love having a healthy environment and doing things that makes me happy and feels therapeutic. Makes me happy and feels therapeutic. So I started, just you know, collecting candles and one day, out of nowhere, I saw these candles that were molded differently than normal candles that we buy in the supermarket or the grocery stores, and I was hooked and I was like okay, so what is this exactly?

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 3:24

What did it?

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 3:25

look like.

Nsimire Godman: 3:26

It was like a bubble candle made in like this. Do you know these? What do you call them?

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 3:35

Oh, rubik's Cube, yeah, rubik's Cube.

Nsimire Godman: 3:38

So I was like this is interesting. And then, the more I went into that rabbit hole of candles, I found out that there is a whole world of different shaped candles. You do not always have to buy those you know typical candles see everywhere.

Nsimire Godman: 3:55

And then I've I realized, oh, hold on a second, these candles, I have to order them from another country, which will take forever. So what I did was just to start researching on how can I get these candles. And then I did my research and one day I was at a flea market and then there was this lady who was selling these candles. All of a sudden I feel like the universe was telling me yay, you've got what you wanted. And then I bought one of them. And then she told me about how she produced these candles and how fun it is to produce candles. And then I went home and I started trying myself to produce candles, to have candles at home, and I got hooked on that, even though the process was just terrible. And then I used YouTube to just kind of guide me into how to make a candle not just any candle, but candles out of these different shapes and molds. And that's how it became a thing for me to um, to tap into that and, um, yeah, last story, yeah became a hobby, sure?

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 5:12

and how long did it take you to, you know, conceptualize what kind of candle you want to make, which would be different from what what was on offer on the market, to actually starting to have a product that could be sold it took me a long time.

Nsimire Godman: 5:27

I think I started I I. It took me one year to to finesse as I say like to make a candle that was presentable.

Nsimire Godman: 5:36

Of course, I'll make candles every now and then, as you know, a little gift for my friends, family and whatever. But once I feel like I had a grip on on how to produce a candle, I was like, okay, maybe could be fun to have to actually right. So these things that I am producing, because I was so proud of myself and my husband was very, very encouraging. He was like you know, you can make a business out of that. And I was like I know nothing about business, I'm just here for my own hobbies.

Nsimire Godman: 6:14

But then the more you know I make candles, the more you search for knowledge and you're like what kind of wax is possible to get what's healthy? What's healthy, what's good? There's so many things to learn about candle producing. So, on my journey, once I figured out, okay, there is good candles and there are bad candles in terms of your health, in terms of your indoor environment, how, how you want to use your candles it was like, oh, okay, maybe I can find a market for this kind of product. And since I live in denmark, um, it became much easier, very quick, because first of all, we live in a small country, so the choices will be very like narrow, uh, in terms of what kind of candles I would like. For example, I had seen these body-shaped candles in my skin tone and I was very sure that I would never find them in Denmark. Completely sure that I would never find them in.

Nsimire Godman: 7:21

Denmark, so that became A motivating thing, Okay. So I was like this is something that looks very aesthetically pleasing and I know people out there who loves candles or loves interior design. They would love to have something that resemble their personality or how they look. So that was one factor that I wrote down while writing that like what should my brand represent? Diversity, so far, so good. So it started with these body shapes. Yeah, I was like I want you know everybody's talking, okay, just to draw like some comparison. Everybody's talking about makeup and how we struggle to find the right color for every shape color shades out there, yeah, yeah yeah, that was the same with my candles.

Nsimire Godman: 8:10

I was like I see it, I see it in the US, I see it everywhere, but it's not here in Scandinavia. I'm not going to find a candle that looks like me or my sister, because my sister and I we have two different, you know, shade of tones. So that's where I was like, okay, okay, so I have these ideas about how I want it to look like, so let's go with that. And then the next thing I went for was the wax, because there are so many different waxes out there there are beeswax, there are paraffin, there are soy. I wanted something that was representative of the aesthetic that I was going for. I want something that looks very aesthetically pleasing, beautiful to look at.

Nsimire Godman: 8:55

And that was soy for me, and luckily because soy it's a creamy kind of wax.

Nsimire Godman: 9:01

It gives this very air blush look. So I was like, okay, I got something. And the good thing about soy also is that it's healthy. It's from soy beans um sure, please. It gives like a clean burn. And that's where I also like okay, I've got something, because my mother-in-law she's actually allergic to candles. She cannot have candles that are made of paraffin because that disturbs her health issues. So once I introduced her to soy wax she was like, oh my god, I've never heard of this.

Nsimire Godman: 9:34

This is I can have it in my house and it's cozy, I like it so you solved a lot of problems with this soy thing so once I figured out that I wanted to make some aesthetically pleasing candles that are healthy for your indoor environment and also tap into the sustainable part, yeah, so I wanted to touch on that because you have the representation element, but there's more to talk about as far as that goes.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 10:04

But you know the sustainability element. You know where does that land for you and how does it manifest in the way you, you produce your product well the fact that I live in scandinavia.

Nsimire Godman: 10:17

I feel like sustainability just comes easily to us and we're very privileged to have the resources to, you know, have a sustainable life. That doesn't mean that it's highly costly, so it just comes naturally to me to just have like, if I can live a sustainable life, of course I'm going to do that, so I wanted that with my candles as well. And how it manifests into my business is I produce a very limited amount, so I don't want to waste anything. I produce the the amount of candles that my customers order, so I don't over produce. I don't. I don't have anything on my. Do you call it uh?

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 11:00

in your stock you don't have like, yeah, my stock, yeah, yeah, so small batch to order productions. Yeah, yeah, yeah and also candles.

Nsimire Godman: 11:08

I can remelt them just in case. So it's like the sustainable part is there again. If I don't get to sell some of my candles or my customers are unsatisfied with the product that they received, I will remelt these, you know, the wax, and then mold something to their satisfaction. So that way I'm sustainable. And when it comes to how I, you know I produce the candles, my wicks, you know like, have to be eco-friendly. They're made of like cotton and yeah, there's so many things that I just are more environmental friendly because, yeah, it also taps into the modern day person who likes to enjoy themselves. So I have to think that in my producing of candles as well.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 12:01

Yeah, this is Shades and Layers. My guest today is maker and founder of Raha Kopenhagen, nsimre Godman. Her brand celebrates diversity and inclusion in the self-care journey. Her home-based soy candle making business focuses on sustainability, impact and community. Up next, we hear all about that. On her journey so far, have you actually run into any customer problems so far?

Nsimire Godman: 12:31

yeah, um yeah, yeah that was the first time and I was like, oh no, um, where I sent some candles and because it's, you know, like the pasta office and you know these are delicate, because they're like models, so they can be very delicate in terms of like how do you place them or how to hold them, so they, they broke actually on in in the process of, uh, delivery so the customers received some broken candles and I was like well, you know what, you keep them um or otherwise, you can just send them.

Nsimire Godman: 13:06

I'll pay um for the shipment and then I will remelt them for you um in terms of some new ones. So in that way I try to really keep my my sustainability in check.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 13:20

Yeah, yeah, uh, because also this um packaging, right. So, yeah, yeah, how how do you package your goods?

Nsimire Godman: 13:28

yeah, that's also like it's all recycling and I don't know like I. I'm so lucky to have people around me who has been entrepreneurs and in business in different areas. My mother-in-law used to have a business. She used to sew like small bags and she will send them to her customers. So basically she has these boxes that have been lying around for forever and she don't use them for anything. So we reuse them and send them to our customers. And also boxes that I receive from ordering all kinds of stuff, whether it's my supplies in terms of waxes or wicks or anything. If they're reusable, I can reuse them and I do tell my customers these are like reuse boxes and that's how they look. They look very tarnished and everything sometimes, but I make sure that the the packaging is inside is very presentable, but we you recycling boxes because that, like the, if you buy something, it's not the box that you're going to keep around. You throw it out, maybe. So I make sure that now we can reuse it.

Nsimire Godman: 14:40

Yeah and maybe my customers are going to reuse it for something else, so that in the packaging as well, I make sure that okay. So how can we do this very friendly and it doesn't have to look messy, but still make my customer aware of like these boxes are not something that I just buy somewhere, but something that has been used elsewhere? Oh, that's amazing.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 15:03

That's really great. Well, it actually sounds like you have quite the support structure around you in terms of getting this business going. So tell me more your mother-in-law. Apart from being allergic, she sounds like a great resource, you know.

Nsimire Godman: 15:19

No, she is. She's a very creative person. She's like, naturally creative. So she also helped me in terms of of. We had, you know, flea markets. People stumbled upon our instagram page and they would ask like, hey, would you like to be a part of a flea market? Said yes, but I was like, okay, so we have to produce this amount of candles and I am just a one-man kind of boutique, so what are we going to do? My mother-in-law was like, well, let me help you. So she would produce in the daytime, because she has so much time on her hands in the daytime, and I'll produce in the evening. So we had a little partnership going on, and she sometimes also comes with ideas, because she used to make soap as well.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 16:08

Like I said, she's a very creative.

Nsimire Godman: 16:10

So, like making creams and soaps, it's kind of the same process as producing candles. So she gave me all these kind of ideas and she would say, well, we'll talk in terms of like how to do the next step. One thing is watching a YouTube video and someone telling you and the other thing is actually trying.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 16:30

Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, yeah. So, and um, I know when we did the pre-interview, you mentioned that your husband also, um, has been helpful he has.

Nsimire Godman: 16:41

He runs his own company. So on that point I I used him to really help me with all kinds of very practical stuff how to make a business plan, how to like all these practical stuff. I, oh, I forgot to say I am a social worker.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 16:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Nsimire Godman: 17:01

So I've never touched anything that sounds like business, anything that has to do with business. I just I've never been there, I've never been an entrepreneur, so it was a new world for me. I just knew that I had a hobby and I was becoming good at it and I'm still learning. But I didn't. I was like okay, so you just have to sell this. And he was like no, no, no, no, no, no. You have to register your company, you have to make sure that you know, know all these, because there are so many rules about selling something that burns you know, Absolutely yeah.

Nsimire Godman: 17:36

Yeah, so we had to get all these vouchers on like. Uh, is it, you know, to make it legal to legalize my company in terms of like, using all kinds of liquid products, oils because I use scents as well and has to be environmental friendly in terms of like, people, if they buy my supply, you know if they buy my products they're not going to get allergic reactions and you know. Just all these practical, boring stuff.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 18:03

Yeah yeah, but that makes things run smoothly, right and you're not running into unnecessary problems yeah, yeah even though, like I, we I'm still learning, and he, he too as well.

Nsimire Godman: 18:16

And my mom, my mom, used to run her own company as well, so very surrounded with yeah, that's great, that's great.

Nsimire Godman: 18:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah so she's always the one who's like she keeps me in check in terms like you have to have, like somebody look at your economy in terms of what you're getting in your income, how much you use on your products. Like, does it? You know all these mathematical things that I have absolutely no idea of. I'm getting a grip of it as much as we talk, because everybody's so excited about this thing. Nobody knew that you could produce a candle. So once I produced a candle and we started this whole like let's sell them, everybody's tuning in. You know, everybody in my circle is like so how is it going? So we like they're very excited. So we do share conversations about like how is it going? So we like they're very excited, so they do. We do share conversations about like how to run a business and especially how to run a candles business, because it's a bit of a niche.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 19:12

Yeah, yeah, that's really cool. That's really really great. But let's talk about the brand itself raha copenhagen. Let's start with the name and, uh, what does it stand for?

Nsimire Godman: 19:23

Yeah well, Raha Copenhagen, I really wanted to make both of my cultures collide together. So I have roots in Rwanda and I'm born in Rwanda and my family and I lived in Kenya for actually four years after the war, back in 94. And there Swahili kind of became my second language. I have Kinyaranta and then I had Swahili and, um, my dad is has roots in Congo and they speak Swahili as well okay yeah, and so it has always been a language that has has been in my subconscious.

Nsimire Godman: 20:04

And then, when I was thinking about okay, so what do I want this brand to represent or this company to represent, I thought of happiness and I thought of my origins and the story I told you about how I see candles and what they represent for me. And since I really don't, I feel like Swahili was just the right, you know the right language to use. In in this sense, I said raha, because raha in swahili means happiness, yeah, so like the happiness that, like candle, can bring you light, brings you right.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 20:40

And then copenhagen, because it's my city, that that's where you are.

Nsimire Godman: 20:44

Happiness in Copenhagen.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 20:46

Oh, that's nice, that's really nice. So who do you want to be happy?

Nsimire Godman: 20:51

Well, yes, I want everybody who sees this as an opportunity to indulge in some self-care to be happy.

Nsimire Godman: 21:02

To indulge in some self-care, to be happy.

Nsimire Godman: 21:05

I want people who has this mindset of like you know, when I said that I used to think candles were things that you had in your house just to make sure that you have some light once the electricity is gone I want us to indulge in buying candles for this, you know, just for the sake of buying candles, to feel like you're content enough to use the small changes that you have to buy some candles and they will bring you joy because you're indulging in some sort of like. It's the small luxury in life. That's what my brand, I want my brand to represent. Like the small, small stuff that you do not necessarily think about. You know, when you have you're having a candleless dinner with your husband, or you're having candles around, when you're having your friends around, it just creates something, um, and it's not big, but it adds to your joy. Yeah, and that's why, like, my target is just a vastity of people, like everyone who is just want to indulge in that little luxurious joy that you get when you purchase something.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 22:11

Yeah, so small, yeah, and I think it's important to point out that you say it is a brand, which means you've got a bigger vision for what you're doing so. You know you've got the candles right now, but you know what's the big dream?

Nsimire Godman: 22:29

you caught me there. Yeah, I could have. Yeah, I could have chosen to call it something candle, but I thought, well, we're going to expand this. Um, yeah, the dream is to have something that has to do with wellness, basically, just, you know, small indulgement in your everyday life. I might say I am not quite sure how you know my next step is going to be, but I know that it's going to be more than candles.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 23:02

Yeah, you mentioned wellness. Why is that an important thing to you?

Nsimire Godman: 23:06

I think, when I look at how I navigated in my adult life and how to get a sense of self-awareness, one thing came to my mind. It was therapy and I'm not a therapist, so obviously I cannot share my therapeutic knowledge with somebody but I also realized that taking time out to take care of your body, your mind and your soul really, really does great things to you in terms of evolving as a human being. And it might sound cliche, like lighting up candles or buying yourself yourself flowers, but sometimes it really is that, yeah, I had a period in my life where was the same period where I was making candles? I was in sick leave, actually because of too much stress, and I started noticing, uh, with the help, guidance of my therapist, in terms of, like, buying small things to myself, doing small gestures for myself, such as buying flowers or rearranging my living room or litting a candle, because I had so many candles that I produced, and it just somehow it worked.

Nsimire Godman: 24:17

And it has nothing to do with, you know, capitalism, because I know a lot of people do tend to talk about. Well, capitalism is, you know, taking advantage of our mental health. I think it has something to do with realizing that you do deserve to treat yourself. It does not mean that you have to buy something, but you do have to take good care of yourself. That could be anything and that's why, yeah, it's a brand. It could be anything. It shouldn't be something that you buy into. It could also be a collective of people. We get together in the Raja Copenhagen city and, you know, share some food or share some thoughts.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 24:55

So yeah, no, absolutely Doing nice things for yourself, I agree, I agree. I mean, you can also be caught in this trap of feeling bad for looking after yourself right. Which is what you see all over media at the moment?

Nsimire Godman: 25:10

Yeah, exactly.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 25:11

Great, so on the sustainability part, just one final thing Talk to me about sourcing off your raw materials.

Nsimire Godman: 25:20

Yeah, well, again, I have been very, very lucky that I live in a small city so all my raw materials I get like I have one supplier that supply me with my materials and I make sure that they're all like eco-friendly. And I think most candle makers who are in the same path as I am in sustainable candle business candle making they have the same supplier because they supply. There's only one supplier that I know of right, and that makes it much easier for me to just know that I am getting the right stuff exactly, yeah even though it took me.

Nsimire Godman: 26:01

It took me forever to get to a point where like, okay, this is actually. It is in tune with my vision in terms of sustainability.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 26:12

Yeah, yeah, great. It's time to find out about Nsimire Godman's personal journey to entrepreneurship on Shades and Layers, to entrepreneurship on Shades and Layers. We will then get into the rapid fire where we find out how she envisions telling her life story, both as a book and as a film. Here we go. So you've talked a little bit about your journey in life. First it was Rwanda, then Kenya, and now you're in Copenhagen. Yeah, and you seem to have found your place, found your groove, and this is a place that's notorious, as I have been there for non-welcoming outsiders.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 26:56

So you know, how have you found your place and how does one thrive?

Nsimire Godman: 27:01

I think it's hard. To be quite honest, it is hard thrive. I think it's hard, uh, to be quite honest, it is hard. Well, I've been lucky again because I came here as a young kid. Um, but it's, it's a you've, you lived here. It's a very close community, as if I can say like that.

Nsimire Godman: 27:18

So to get, to get your foot in, can be very, very tough, and I've seen it, but you simply have to fight through. I feel like you have to fight to get. You know, like to get a seat at the table. And if you don't, a lot of people around say if you, if you can get the seat at the table, you built your own table, you know.

Nsimire Godman: 27:39

But the first thing that really grounded me and makes me outlive my, my dreams and my, my thoughts, it's having a community. Like, yeah, because you know, growing up and not having um, a close community can damage you, but finding people who thrive on you being happy and and the other way around, is very giving, and I think I found mine. It took me a long time, because I've been here for 20 years, um, but once I finally found my community, I think it was much easier to just say you know what. Let's build our own table and just you know um start doing things and every now and then you attend these events and you know somebody introduce you to another person. You know of color or just diversity is just becoming a thing and you see people really creating things that I didn't see 20 years ago.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 28:35

It's definitely a different city, yeah.

Nsimire Godman: 28:38

It is definitely because I feel like this generation is so fearless. We have so many people doing so many things when, like back when I was young, I didn't have like a young black entrepreneurs to look up to here in Denmark and say oh, okay, I can do that, but I feel like it has become a thing now. It's like everywhere you look, someone is out there really trying to get through, even though it is tough. It can get tough, and it's also like having people who are allies. That's the most important.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 29:10

Like you, when you have no, absolutely yeah, Because it's a very, very, very small number of people of color.

Nsimire Godman: 29:17

still anyway, yeah.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 29:20

Okay, so what didn't I touch on? I didn't touch on the range of candles, so they all have different interesting names.

Nsimire Godman: 29:30

Yeah, yeah.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 29:31

Interesting names, interesting shapes. So you've already mentioned the bustier, and then I saw there was one which was wavy. Yeah, tell me about each one in the range.

Nsimire Godman: 29:44

Well, I started very small. Like normally, when you see other candles business, they have a range of different shapes, different looks and different colors as well. I still wanted to stay very grounded and I wanted to build my brand very slow, like you know, it's slow, good, um, and taking your time as well. So I have, for the fifth is coming. I wanted something that looks aesthetically pleasing in your home, not just to burn, but it has to go with your um, into your design at home, right? So I I took something that can look familiar and something that you can relate to and something that isn't very disturbing for the eye. So, yeah, there is the bustier, there is the time glass and there is the ruby's cube, um, and then there is the wavy one that looks like a flower.

Nsimire Godman: 30:39

Yeah, that's very pretty yeah yeah, and then we have the rainbow that is coming as well. So I gave them different names, also in Swahili, because I really want to incorporate my Africanness in this. So they all have something that is loving is happiness, because, the thing is, the vocabulary in Swahili is just wide, so you can say happiness in so many different ways. You can say love in so many ways, so that's how I named my candles.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 31:15

Oh, that's wonderful. So we've talked about where you want to take your business, or rather, let me say, your brand, right?

Nsimire Godman: 31:23

Yes.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 31:25

So let's go into. You know how you see yourself. We're going to do the rapid fire. You've had quite the adventure. So if somebody had to commission a memoir from you today, what would you call it and why?

Nsimire Godman: 31:38

Oh dear, I don't even know, but what would I call it? The blooming flower? Yeah, why are you a blooming flower? I think I uh, as as we grow, as we go on this self-discovery journey, you find out that you're not that bad at it. You know so many petals like uh on you that just keeps on blooming, and sometimes you're so happily surprised and sometimes you're just like, oh, this is a side of me that I don't like, but you keep blooming, you look nice.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 32:15

Awesome, nice, nice, nice. So you take that book and you turn it into a movie. Who do you choose for the lead actress, lila Davis? Through and through, no hesitation there.

Nsimire Godman: 32:24

Through and through book and you turn it into a movie. Who do you choose for the lead actress? Ooh like through and through.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 32:28

No hesitation there, through and through.

Nsimire Godman: 32:33

I love her.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 32:34

That's wonderful and if you had to invite a famous black woman to dinner, living or dead, who would it be, and why?

Nsimire Godman: 32:45

Oh dear, there are so many, many. Let's go with angela bassett um. She's an actor.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 32:51

I love her um you do I love her.

Nsimire Godman: 32:56

She's like, she's my everything goal, from fitness to aging, to whatever creativity, she's just everything that's why you just described the reason that I just want to sit and have a conversation with her about being a woman, like how do you do it, you know? Um, yeah, her definitely, she's amazing. Yes, oh, we are aligned, there, definitely I would love to hang out with her. She she's the queen mother for goodness sake. I know, yeah, definitely her. So many other but her. I was like she's a very interesting woman.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 33:37

Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely Great. So if people want to work with you, get in touch, follow your work. Where can they find you Well?

Nsimire Godman: 33:48

we do have our Instagram and we have our website. So our website is rahacopenhagendk and we have our Instagram, which is rahacph. And, yeah, dm us, we are always ready to. Just great answer I love it.

Kutloano Skosana Ricci: 34:11

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