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Exploring Musical Versatility with Manuel Acevedo, GuitarZoom's Latest Academy Instructor

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Discover the inspiring journey of Manuel Acevedo, our newest instructor at Guitar Zoom Academy, and learn how his early exposure to music in Mar del Plata, Argentina, ignited his passion for the guitar. From his father’s acoustic melodies to the transformative records introduced by his second guitar teacher, Manuel's path is filled with heartfelt anecdotes and pivotal moments that shaped his technical prowess. Explore how diverse musical influences, from Argentinian rock to grunge, have crafted his unique style and approach to guitar playing.

Journey through the evolution of musical collaboration and growth, as we discuss the rich textures of 80s synths and the technical brilliance of modern virtuosos like Plini and Jack Gardiner. This episode highlights the transition from intense prog metal shredding to more varied genres such as fusion and pop, emphasizing the importance of understanding one's role in a band. Discover the joy of contributing to a collective sound and the beauty of minimalistic playing in large ensembles, balancing personal expression with the overall harmony of the group.

Manuel also opens up about the challenges and rewards of transitioning to remote guitar teaching during the COVID-19 pandemic. From his early teaching days in 2012 to adapting complex concepts for young students, listen to how his versatile approach has evolved over the years. We celebrate the enduring impact of progressive rock and reminisce about the golden era, encouraging listeners to explore the expertise and passion Manuel brings to the GuitarZoom Academy. Join us for an enriching discussion that promises to inspire both budding and seasoned musicians alike.

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Steve [00:00:00]:
All right, thank you for joining us today. I have got an awesome person here. His name is Manuel Acevedo. He is one of the new instructors here at the GuitarZoom Academy. And I thought it'd be really cool for you to meet him and get to know him, and we both can learn his story at the same time. So, Manuel, thank you so much for being here with us.

Manuel [00:00:18]:
Hey, Steve, thank you for coming here. Very excited, very cool. Yep.

Steve [00:00:23]:
Can you tell me, where are you from?

Manuel [00:00:26]:
I'm from Argentina. Okay.

Steve [00:00:29]:
Did you grow up there?

Manuel [00:00:30]:
Yeah, yeah. Born and raised here, living in a coastal city called Marda Plata. It's pretty beautiful. So, yeah, very cool. Always very close to music in every possible sense. So it's nice town.

Steve [00:00:50]:
So what's the weather like there?

Manuel [00:00:53]:
It's garbage. It is absolute garbage. We have really hot days into three days of storm. Actually. It's raining today. It's pretty crazy, but, yeah. What it is, I don't know what's going on with the city. It doesn't happen in any other part of the country.

Manuel [00:01:07]:
It's just insane. Very eclectic.

Steve [00:01:11]:
So do you guys get winter and stuff too, then?

Manuel [00:01:14]:
Yeah, but since we have the sea very close, it's not like it snows or anything.

Steve [00:01:18]:
Sure.

Manuel [00:01:19]:
So it's not, like, super cold. Like, it's very rare that we get sub zero temperatures here, but when it does, it's like you're gonna really fit your role.

Steve [00:01:28]:
Sure.

Manuel [00:01:29]:
Cool.

Steve [00:01:30]:
All right, well, let's start off by just talking a little bit about. So, for those of you that don't know, obviously, who Manuel is, he's a great player, and I'm always intrigued by how people first get started with their interest in music. So let's not even really worry about guitar just yet, although that might be where it starts for you. Like, what's your first memory of being intrigued by music?

Manuel [00:01:58]:
Actually, that's a very good question. I don't know. My dad always played guitar. As far as I can remember, he was the first person that encouraged me to play. He just put the acoustic guitar. I mean, it was like, probably four, five, six. I don't remember exactly when, but I still have his guitar, his acoustic guitar back then, it's just a Charleville. Beautiful guitar, acoustic, and guitar was, like, twice my size.

Manuel [00:02:28]:
So you can imagine my skills at that age trying to nail an e minor chord. It's, like, pretty difficult. But I would say that was my first content with gear, music in general, but we always listen to music in my house, and my dad listened to a lot of national rock, like argentinian rock. And then on the other side, I had my brother who liked more of the grunge kind of stuff, Nirvana, Creed, that kind of ants. Then my cousin had a sick Les Paul and he liked. He's like a. At that point, he was like a clone of slash with the hair and everything. So I got the hard rock metal dish side for him.

Manuel [00:03:14]:
So it was always. We always had music in the family, so I was always encountering that. But at the age of six ish, I started learning.

Steve [00:03:23]:
So when you were six, then, first of all, did your dad play professionally? Did he play in bands and stuff or.

Manuel [00:03:30]:
No, no, no. Just for. For personal enjoyment. Okay. He would play like, very simple, like four or five chorus songs. Not like looking to improve as he's playing. It's just healed for the enjoyment of it.

Steve [00:03:45]:
Sure. So when you were six, then, did you start learning from a relative or did you go to school or lessons or something?

Manuel [00:03:56]:
So I studied with my dad. I tried. He taught me the songs he knew. And at some point he said, okay, you're gonna go to a teacher. I don't know if because he couldn't teach me anything else or because he was annoyed at me trying to the guitar all day. But at the age of 1011 ish, I started lessons with a local musician. I think he's now living in the US. His name was Danyen.

Manuel [00:04:24]:
Okay. He's a very good session player. And I did a few months before he left the country. And I was. At some point I was redirected to my second player, to my second guitar teacher, who was a kind of a turning point because he was an active guitar player in the music scene here in my city. And he gave me some critical records that completely changed my life, which was insane. Two of them he gave me back when cd burning was a thing. He made me a couple of copies.

Manuel [00:05:11]:
And I remember two albums that just absolutely blew my mind at that point. Imagine me, twelve year old Manuel, struggling to play the Pentatonix. And he gives me like the extremis from Joostiani as one of the.

Steve [00:05:24]:
Oh, sure.

Manuel [00:05:25]:
And he gave me liquid tension, experiment one.

Steve [00:05:28]:
Oh, nice.

Manuel [00:05:29]:
And that's like, I put that record and stuff like it just killed me. It's just absolutely mind blessed. I couldn't. I couldn't even imagine that music was able to do stuff like that. Something that, like that was being able to be, be played. It felt unhealed at the point, but I was really. I was immediately hooked by the technical side. Of it.

Manuel [00:05:54]:
Of course, I couldn't play not even, like, single note of that album, but I got into the Steve Vai, John Perdue, cherry Johnson, every single guitar player. I just got into them, started learning a pilot music, and I got into the more shredded kind of music that way. So that was the play as many notes as you can era. So I got into the shred. I didn't care about accuracy. It's just, let's cram as many notes as I can on this four. Four bar and let's. Let's go with it.

Manuel [00:06:33]:
Right? So it was. It was fun. I actually had. The beauty of that period is that I had a ton. A ton of time to practice and I had two good teachers. So I got the foundational stuff there for electric guitar, and that was it. I think I had a power metal band very inspired by stuff like Edgar Iwish, Rhapsody, not Rhapsody of Fire, Iron Maiden, that kind of stuff. And we released a very sketchy demo of four songs record with a.

Manuel [00:07:09]:
It's embarrassing to say. I had an interface, a USB interface and zero knowledge. I just recorded it. I think I had, like, a demo copy of guitar rig and I had no idea. I just boosted the bass and exported the files. And we. We call that a demo. I'm not even gonna share it.

Steve [00:07:26]:
It's not funny to hear this.

Manuel [00:07:29]:
Maybe in private, but, yeah, we gigged for like three years. It was pretty fun. And I got the band experience from that. So we would. We would collectively write songs. And that was a very, very nice experience, like dealing with rehearsals, people not studying their parts, like stuff like that. It was pretty fun. It was pretty fun, I would say.

Steve [00:07:53]:
So this band, was this band all original then, or did you do covers, too?

Manuel [00:07:57]:
No, we did this like 50 50, let's say. Okay, yeah, we did covers. There's a band called Narnia from Sweden, which is basically in the milestone copy.

Steve [00:08:07]:
Yeah.

Manuel [00:08:08]:
But with Narnia themes. And I got a cd from them, from one of my other guitar teachers, and said, oh, you should listen to this guy. It's like Malmsteen, but it is not moustine. And it is like the same tone. It's like the same cliche lyrics. It's like everything is there, but it's just a different bandaid.

Steve [00:08:29]:
Yeah.

Manuel [00:08:30]:
So we played a few covers from them, and then we had our. Our own songs, and we had a bunch of different influences. We had, like frog metal from my side, and the bass player, the keyboard player was more into classical stuff. We had. The drummer was more into trash metal. So it actually worked pretty well. I mean considering we were like 16 year old, 1718 year old kids in our universe that was a cool thing to do of course. So yeah that was a nice era.

Manuel [00:09:04]:
I think I developed a bunch of maybe not so much guitar technique but the songwriting aspect a bunch of being in a band aspects that was pretty good.

Steve [00:09:16]:
So what happened to the band now?

Manuel [00:09:19]:
The band is solved in 2000, 2009. So I started, the thing is I started musical education like formal musical education on 2008 as soon as I finished high school. And by the, by zero nine I was kind of fed up with a few of the aspects of the band which is like showing up to rehearsal and people not like failing to play songs that we were playing like three years ago. Like I'm done with that. So I think it was like let's, let's move on. And I focus 100% on studying music and I studied classical guitar. Like I was doing two careers at a time. It's pretty crazy now that I think I was doing conservatory like former classical music academic and then I was doing popular music like it was folklore like music from a county and then tango and jazz.

Manuel [00:10:19]:
So that era I think like I kind of dropped the shred stuff. I was still playing electric guitar but I discovered this whole aspect of the music like I was very close minded in terms of music by that point and I only listened to bands that could throw a million notes in a song or weird time signatures stuff like that. I was very interested in theater and prosimil symphony acts up. That's why I used to listen. And then when I got into tango and folklore it's like damn this is hard to play but in a different way. Like there is so much you can do with the guitar like it was mind blowing. And also the classical guitar studies just gave me some really good foundation in terms of technique like the good posture, good angles so how not to hurt your hands in the process. You can play for hours with the allocating tire and so on.

Manuel [00:11:17]:
So it was, I don't play classical barely anymore but I really got some solid technique out of that study.

Steve [00:11:28]:
Sure. So now I mean we're going to get back to some other things too. But I. With all of that study that you did and those experiences right now what kind of music do you do you find yourself practicing most?

Manuel [00:11:44]:
I am all over the place at the moment. I will always be a metal hell I love pro metal. It's just that I am not just listening to that. I'm not sure if you ever heard about synthwave, the music style? Well, I'm sort of listening to that a lot. I do eighties synths. It's something about the vibes of that kind of music that it's really nice to listen to and to improvise on. It's like that they have really good music and then a lot of new players. I'm trying to get into more fusion kind of music and just to get out of frog metal a little bit, you know.

Manuel [00:12:30]:
And there's so many good players, like modern players that no one is aware of. They have, like, social media kind of make them explode. But people like, I don't know, Pliny, Jack Gardiner, those new players, the new way of virtuosos, they are insane. They are. Taking the instrument to the next level is just fantastic, too, to watch them. So I'm kind of. I'm not so focused right now on, like, improving my skills and, like, discovering new music. I'm kind of.

Manuel [00:13:04]:
I mean, sort of. I would like to cover that as well a little bit. So.

Steve [00:13:08]:
Sure.

Manuel [00:13:09]:
There's a lot of. There's a lot of stuff going on. That's mainly the thing.

Steve [00:13:13]:
Sure. Yeah. It's interesting, you know, like, for me, growing up in the eighties and listening to a lot of that eighties stuff. And now it's to the point where I still. There's a lot of that stuff that I love, like, again, malmsteen. All those things. But I've just. I've burned out of listening to it.

Steve [00:13:29]:
I mean, I just can't do it anymore. So I found myself doing the same thing where I'll go back to earlier and listen to different styles of music that I wouldn't have listened to back when I was that age because I considered it uncool in my brain. And now I actually find it really enjoyable to listen to. So it's not just listening to music because of the guitar, although that happens too, but just listening to music just because I have a bigger scope in my mind now of what music is. And it's not just guitar centric, necessarily.

Manuel [00:14:06]:
Yeah, that's true. And funnily enough, I ended up, after all these shredded years, I ended up playing a pop bandaid, like my actual band. I play lead guitar on a band called Sauda, which is a vocal corded. And sometimes we get to play, like, the whole band. We are eight, just a bunch of people. And all my guitar parts are like two notes here. There may be a solo, very conservative solo. No sweep picking or anything.

Manuel [00:14:31]:
It's like a whole different aspect to music, but the band sounds absolutely amazing live. It's like the arrangement is on point.

Steve [00:14:40]:
Right.

Manuel [00:14:40]:
You have a very good musical director, so it's also. It's super professional. I go, I put on my headsets. I had the indications of the director. Okay, here comes a breakdown. Okay, just quiet here. Watch out for the. It's like a guided meditation, sort of a show, right.

Manuel [00:14:59]:
But, yeah, it is really enjoyable.

Steve [00:15:01]:
You know, that's. That's. That's an interesting thing because, again, I just. Because you play rock or you play a lot doesn't make playing, and this isn't an argument about less is more or more is more. I never get into that argument because you and I are both blessed that we had that time to be able to do that. So you've got that skill set if you need it, but you've learned all these other skill sets since then that you can utilize. I have a buddy that plays with pharrell, if you know who pharrell is. So when he's in the studio with pharrell, he always talks about, or justin timberlake or whatever it might be, how these guys think of music.

Steve [00:15:39]:
Think of guitar, the way you just said, where it's a very sparse element, but the parts that they come up with are very important rhythmically, and it's almost sometimes kind of hard to minimize your playing and to stay really tight when you do those things. So it's just the opposite. But it's still a skill set that you have to work on to stay tight in the groove versus playing all over the place. 1000 miles an hour.

Manuel [00:16:06]:
Yeah, absolutely. I think one of the points, one of the biggest aspects of growing as a musician is learning that you are a part of a bigger thing. And not everything is about guitar. They're learning what your place is in the song and in the bigger scheme of things, I think it's probably the most important thing. Yeah, that's awesome. Especially on bigger bands, the more musicians you get, the less you get to play.

Steve [00:16:38]:
Yes. Yeah. I play with this well, they're 15 piece with the singers, but they're a twelve piece horn bandaid, and they're all professors around town here, so they play, you know, a lot of earth, wind and fire in Chicago and things like that. So it's really fun when I play with them because it's exactly what you're saying, where your parts oftentimes are minimal but important to the bigger picture of the thing. But just the fact that you're making this music with all of these people and everything is very tight and.

Manuel [00:17:17]:
You'Re going to step away like a single note or you're going to step over someone else's part. So you got to be careful.

Steve [00:17:23]:
Yeah, that's right. Okay, so let's talk a little bit about your teaching. So you've been learning how to play, you went to the conservatory, you've been learning how to play all these different styles of music. You were in that band until 2009. So what's the deal? Like, when did you decide to start teaching music and why?

Manuel [00:17:41]:
I think it was around 2012, if I recall correctly. I mean, the degree that I was studying was for teaching, right? The specialization was for music guitar, but it was a teaching degree after all. So I had. Half of the classes were like psychology, like stuff like teaching resources, right? So, yeah, I think it was 2012 when I got a job in my first school. And it was like, yeah, another mind blowing moment. It was elementary school. I still work at that school, by the way. They gave me an opportunity to start as a teacher with not even half of my career done.

Manuel [00:18:33]:
And I always value that. And it was very helpful in terms of transferring your knowledge to other person. And how can you explain to someone else, how do you look at music? Or how do you explain, I don't know, a simple riff. Remember, I work with childs from six to twelve and I need to bring it down to the lowest common denominator, try to be fun and how to be engaging with the kids. So that was like a very. It was a very hard challenge. I suffered a lot the first year. It was really hard to keep up, but I.

Manuel [00:19:19]:
That really helped me, not just for. For the schoolwork, but for. For other students. A lot of the skills I got in the school are transferable for one on one lessons or even workshops or whatever. So I think it made me more versatile in terms of working with other people. And I think, yeah, at some point it's good for any musician to get into teaching because it helps you understand the guitar in a different way, not just for the performing aspect, but being able to show it to someone else and that other person, being able to play what you're doing to understand you. Like, even complex topics. Like, I have some students that they like to learn about harmony and this.

Manuel [00:20:13]:
How the hell am I gonna. How the hell I'm gonna explain, like. Like voicing and stuff, like something that's really abstract and it's just. It's just an ongoing challenge, but it helped me that way. So I worked at. I still work in school, and by that the same period of time I started teaching one on one lessons. And it was. It was kind of hard to get people to get committed with guitar.

Manuel [00:20:47]:
I think that was the main frustration I had with teaching at some point. And it's like, I taught guitar and says, no one is taking it seriously. I don't know if it happened with you, but it's like no one sees the guitar the way I see it. How can I make that happen?

Steve [00:21:01]:
Correct.

Manuel [00:21:03]:
So I made it so that my mission would be for people to enjoy the instrument. Everyone has their different goals, but I always say that to my students in classes, you need to try and enjoy the ride. That's the only way you're gonna enjoy playing the instrument. Everyone says that I wanna play, that I wanna be. I wanna learn that skill. But you need to enjoy the process because that process takes a lot of time. And until you reach the point, you cannot suffer three months until learning how to play an arpeggio. Right.

Manuel [00:21:36]:
So you'd enjoy music.

Steve [00:21:39]:
Right. You know, it's interesting. I started teaching when I was 17, so this would be 1987, and the guitar was certainly more, for lack of a better way of saying it, more popular back then in a general sense. And then, you know, moving into the nineties, you know, with Nirvana and stuff, it just exploded. Like people were just learning all the time. And then once it got into the, you know, two thousands, certainly in the 2010s, which I stopped, you know, teaching privately about ten years ago. But you had so many students that didn't even really listen to guitar. Like, the stuff they listened to were different styles of music that may or may not have guitar.

Steve [00:22:23]:
So you had to work a little harder as a teacher to find that middle ground. Like you're saying. Guitar, for me, has always been synonymous with psychology anyway, because it's not just about teaching guitar. It's about trying to connect to that student, like you just said, on a way that motivates them and makes them want to play versus. Well, you know, my dad told me I have to take guitar lessons or piano lessons, so I chose guitar. Okay, well, what can we find? What kind of middle ground can we find that that would be fun for you or motivating for you? Because if I'm just teaching you whatever and you go home and you don't do it, you're going to come back next week, and we didn't get anything done. So teaching can be exhausting. Like, if you really care about it, teaching can be very exhausting because you're putting so much into trying to make a connection.

Steve [00:23:13]:
And I think that's the way teaching should be. Anyway. It doesn't matter if you're teaching math or guitar or anything like that, like, trying to put yourself into it. So this student gets something out of it and probably looks at you in a positive light as a result of it, which is why I, you know, Manuel is. Is here at GuitarZoom anyways, because that's exactly the kind of instructors that I believe in. So. So you're teaching now? You're teaching private lessons. It's around 2012, you said.

Steve [00:23:44]:
So have you been teaching since then? Like, how did things go once we got to Covid? Like, what. What happened with you then?

Manuel [00:23:52]:
Well, that was pretty. Yeah, that's hard. So, I. I worked at schools. I worked at academies, like, local academies. I worked with private lessons, like, face to face, not. Not virtual. So, yeah, Covid was a disaster for me, basically, because at that point, I only had one school and a few students.

Manuel [00:24:19]:
And of all my students, no one wanted to go forward in remote business, and I didn't know what to do. I was, like, without a job, basically. So I ended up signing up to every single freelancer platform you could imagine. Fortunately enough, I had good levels of English in order to get through, because if you only know. Well, it's not that you know one language. If you don't know English, you're basically screwed here. So, fortunately enough, I don't have trouble with that. And I signed to every single platform you can imagine for recording, for transcribing, for teaching, for everything.

Manuel [00:25:06]:
And at some point, I spent, like, a couple of months until I got the ball running. But I started getting a good influx of students in fiverr. That was, like, the first step in the remote sessions that actually had some traction. And at some point, I had, like, 25, 26. It was crazy. I never had that amount of students. That's crazy. Yeah, but it was that point.

Manuel [00:25:32]:
It was, like, full pandemic when everyone was, like, bored at home, like, not showing up to work.

Steve [00:25:37]:
Right?

Manuel [00:25:39]:
So, yeah, and the schoolwork was very exhausting at that point. Even nothing going to the school because everything was virtual. I actually. We did, like, musical, like, showcases with students. The amount of work that went into those showcases was insane. Like, people from the school will drive to the students houses. They will lend them instruments. They will watch it in alcohol.

Manuel [00:26:10]:
Here's a guitar. Go get practice. It was insane. We did, like, it was a very big effort from both the teachers and the. The person on the school. It was very, very nice, and we did some good stuff all things considered.

Steve [00:26:22]:
Right.

Manuel [00:26:24]:
But, yeah. Should not bore you too much. Yes. Like, it was a turning point for me. After that, I never went back to face to face lessons. I do everything remote now, and that's pretty much what I'm doing. Sure. Right now.

Manuel [00:26:37]:
Full on, full on remote lessons. It's actually been working pretty nice.

Steve [00:26:41]:
Well, that's great. Yeah. It's interesting how everything changed, because these things, like whether you use Zoom or Google Meet or whatever it might be, you know, I went, gosh, I don't even remember when it was, but it would have been somewhere around maybe 2010, 2012. I started exploring these online things before I started. This would have been right before I started even with GuitarZoom, because I was like, man, wouldn't it be great if I could, instead of doing one on one lessons forever, if I could do like 50 lessons in an hour, you know what I mean? Like, people all around the world could take a lesson and I could just do like, 3 hours a day, and then I'd be done for that day as opposed to working 8 hours, you know, teaching guitar lessons. And it kind of worked. I was working with a company out of New York called Lesson Face, which I still do things with them once in a while, but it kind of worked. And that's where the whole online thing started for me.

Steve [00:27:42]:
But I just always struggled with the technology. Like, it just wasn't fast enough or the audio always sucked where the guitar, you really couldn't hear it. And you and I, that since you've come on with GuitarZoom, like, trying to find the best way of being able to do this so the student gets a great experience, but the teacher also is able to appropriately listen to the students and assess things.

Manuel [00:28:07]:
Yeah. To this day, still, I can't believe it's 2024 and there's not a single video communication platform that actually focuses on musicians. Zoom is the closest thing we have, but, yeah, it's still. It's still not quite there.

Steve [00:28:22]:
So I'm gonna tell you, I would like to. I think it's called Mooz. M o o Z. If you get a chance, look that up, and we're done today. So they claim. I think that's the website. They claim that that's what they are. The problem is that it requires a bit of setup.

Steve [00:28:37]:
And, of course, the one thing you want is the setup to be really easy for the student. But anybody out there take a look at moves? There's a couple of different mooses, I think. So you got to look for the one that is for lessons or online or whatever, because maybe that isn't. I don't remember which one it is, but it's something like that. And so hopefully someday we'll get something like that. That would be a cool, interactive kind of thing for all of us. So tell me, because I don't want to take way too much more of your time. So tell me.

Steve [00:29:07]:
If I had completely unscripted here, give me three of your favorite guitar players of all time.

Manuel [00:29:17]:
John Petrucci. They're gonna be shredders. I cannot.

Steve [00:29:23]:
Sure.

Manuel [00:29:24]:
I can deal with that. Yeah. John Petrucci, Joe Satriani. And I would say either Clapton or Vaughan. Okay. I'm really into blues as well. It's just I don't play too much. But sure, 70% of my students want to study blues, so I ended up studying a lot, and I ended up liking blues players.

Manuel [00:29:46]:
Okay. But, yeah, I cannot put three. It's impossible. But, yeah, if I had to pick right now. Yeah, maybe if you ask me five minutes from now, I'm gonna give you another three plays.

Steve [00:29:53]:
That's. Okay. That's the thing. So you could change your mind in five minutes. No doubt about it. All right, so your favorite album, which might already be what you already mentioned, but when you were a kid, your favorite album.

Manuel [00:30:07]:
Why are these questions so deep purple? Live in Japan. I think I listened to that recording a million times.

Steve [00:30:20]:
Wow, that's a good one.

Manuel [00:30:21]:
Zeppelin four. Dark side of the moon, the wall, animals, anything. Pink Floyd, man.

Steve [00:30:27]:
Those are all good.

Manuel [00:30:29]:
Yeah. And you know what? You just remind me. We have a workshop. It was crazy. It was the. Back in my high school, we could choose a workshop to do every trimester. And our geography player. Sorry.

Manuel [00:30:46]:
Our geography teacher had a workshop about progressive rock.

Steve [00:30:51]:
Oh, wow.

Manuel [00:30:51]:
So it was. It was a long three years. And you will study, like, from the seventies to the thousands. And we just sit down and listen. Music. Oh, my God, bring records. It was like I had. So we had so many unknown bands, and I.

Manuel [00:31:07]:
From that era, I was listening to focus.

Steve [00:31:10]:
Sure.

Manuel [00:31:10]:
Camel. I don't know. So many bands.

Steve [00:31:13]:
Sure.

Manuel [00:31:14]:
It's insane. Anything progressive from the seventies. Pro rock, like. Yeah. Genesis. Yes.

Steve [00:31:20]:
Oh, yeah. Always love them. Always love. Like Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Kansas.

Manuel [00:31:26]:
Yeah.

Steve [00:31:26]:
There's just. There's just a ton of. Yeah, good stuff. Cool. Well, thanks for your time, Matt. I'm gonna let you get back to your life, but I appreciate you taking time out to hang out.

Manuel [00:31:35]:
Thanks, Steve, for invitation. I'm super glad to be here.

Steve [00:31:38]:
And so, everybody, remember, please, if you're looking for private instruction. Manuel is available here at GuitarZoom, and he's definitely worth checking out. So we'll talk to you soon. Okay, buddy?

Manuel [00:31:48]:
All right, thanks, T. See ya. See you around.

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