Unveiling the Mind-Body Connection and How Unresolved Emotions Manifest Into Illnesses with Dr. Skyler Hamilton Ep. 162

Have you ever witnessed the transformation of despair into hope, of sickness into health? Dr. Skyler Hamilton's story is nothing short of a miracle, as she recounts her battle with multiple sclerosis and her incredible journey to remission, guided by the potent mind-body connection. This conversation promises to shift your perspective, revealing how our emotional and physical health are deeply intertwined. From the grief of losing a loved one to the physical manifestation of stress, Dr. Hamilton illustrates the power of the mind in both harming and healing the body.

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Speaker 1: 0:00

You know we often hear the mind-body connection. I talk about the mind-body connection, but what does that even mean and what does that look like? Well, today's guest is going to explain that and share her story on how real the mind-body connection is. Today's guest is Dr Skylar Hamilton and she is about to blow your mind. She specializes in helping people tap into the power of the mind to successfully treat inflammatory diseases, autoimmune and brain gut disorders, among other complex cases cases. A mind-body psychotherapist author, peer-reviewed published researcher and lecturer, she is an expert on the somatic effects of stress, trauma and anxiety. A product of her methods, dr Hamilton once suffered from multiple sclerosis and was bound to a wheelchair sclerosis and was bound to a wheelchair With MS in remission. She now spends her life empowering others to heal themselves, with or without medications. Dr Hamilton's research on treatment of brain-gut axis disorders with the use of clinical hypnosis is cited in numerous peer-reviewed journals. Dr Hamilton lectures on the mind-body connection and its impact on disease.

Speaker 1: 1:40

Welcome to Ella Go. My name is Lisa. Welcome to Ella Go, my name is Lisa. Join me on the journey in having real, raw and uncomfortable discussions about fitness, health and everything in between, because, let's be honest, this journey would suck if we don't get our shit together. Okay, so welcome Dr Skylar.

Speaker 2: 2:09

Hello, I'm so happy to be here. So, dr, Skylar, why don't you introduce yourself to the listeners? So I am a mind-body psychotherapist, a licensed psychotherapist, and what that is is I specialize in how stress, anxiety, trauma, unresolved anger, expression of emotions, how it manifests in the body. So if you have repressed anger and it comes out in migraines, that's my area. When the doctors can't quite figure it out, they get sent my way.

Speaker 1: 2:39

Wow Okay, we're going to dig deeper into that. Wow, okay, we're going to dig deeper into that. But I wanted you to maybe share your personal story where you were suffering from MS and bound to a wheelchair. I'm going to back up a little bit. So I saw you on a podcast and I literally was like I couldn't even like I couldn't believe it, the story that you were saying, and I think that, if you don't mind sharing that to the listeners, I think it would be very impactful, because it definitely impacted me.

Speaker 2: 3:23

Cool. So that is actually how I came to be specializing in mind-body connection. I'm going to get comfy for this story Because in 2002, I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. I actually was a boxer back in the day, training to be professional. So I was training four or six hours a day. I was in Las Vegas actually it was legit trying to make my way in the boxing world, and what happened was I was pushing myself four, six hours a day.

Speaker 2: 3:51

You're always trying to cut weight extreme, extreme stress on the body and then my father had just passed away shortly before that and I fell into convulsions and my husband at the time took me to the hospital and I ended up being very sick with multiple sclerosis, had to have three bags of blood put back in and I was losing my vision. It just went really, really quickly and told I could never have kids, I would be dead by 50 and I'm 51. I made it, but it was actually a very horrific ordeal for a long time. And, uh, one day this event happened and I decided I was done being sick and I was done. I was just done, I was just done being sick and I went and got an education.

Speaker 2: 4:42

I started doing all these little methods that I teach people, uh, how to start changing the brain chemistry and the way we observe stress, how we handle our attachment styles. And then I went to a conference and said, hey, how do I prove this to the world? And a colleague said get your PhD and prove it. So I got my PhD and, uh, but what I do is not with my degree, what I do is from my soul, because I've been to the darkest depths of humanity. So I just want to empower the people that it's possible.

Speaker 1: 5:10

So, okay, that's a lot, okay. So do you think that the events that occurred in your personal life with your father passing, did you feel that that impacted your health?

Speaker 2: 5:28

Huge, and that's actually even a part of this formula I created. What is the mind-body connection and attachment style is so relevant to Z's progression. So, losing a primary caregiver and losing an attachment, a secure attachment, a securely attached parent to me, and then the physical stress, the mental stress of the death. It just was the perfect formula. Perfect formula.

Speaker 1: 5:55

Wow, wow. And then when you said to yourself, I'm sick, I don't want to be sick anymore, can you just talk a little bit about like, what was that? Like you know, when people I tell people those things, even from my experience, when you're just like, no, I'm done, I'm and this is what I'm going to do, I, what was one of the first things that you did when you made that decision that I'm done being sick? Did, when you made that decision, that I'm done being sick.

Speaker 2: 6:25

Yeah, this is actually kind of an intense story. I took a phase four clinical trial drug, fda approved, and I had a reaction to it and I actually stopped breathing. And I was working as a teacher back then, single parent, two babies, and I remember just saying no, don't take me, and this is get to the I'm done story. So I stopped breathing respiratory distress and I remember just saying no, don't take me. And this is get to the I'm done story. So I stopped breathing respiratory distress. I remember in the ambulance they just said bag her, we're losing her. I'm like what does bag mean? And you're not losing me? I'm arguing in my head and I'm seeing everyone panic. I must not be breathing.

Speaker 2: 6:59

Long story short I stopped breathing, ended up. The man next to me was having a heart attack. As soon as the drug wore off, my respiration came back. So I was a single parent and my kid's dad fantastic man came to be with me at the hospital. He had to go back to Orlando to work. I lived in Tampa. So I actually called family members who were in town busy and I said hey, can you please come take care of the babies? And the family member said sorry, I'm skydiving, I can't come help you.

Speaker 2: 7:29

And I just realized at that moment I have to be done being sick, like I can't rely on anybody. I'm a single parent, I think like $30,000 a teacher God bless the teachers out there it's barely above the poverty line. I've got two babies. I can't be sick. No one's coming. No one is coming. And I'm not trying to say like Mel Robbins, I was saying that long before and that day I was done. It was a defining moment where if I don't get this figured out, I'm going to die. If I don't get this figured out, I'm going to die. No one's going to help me, no one's helping with the babies. It was figure it out or die. And it got to the point where there was no other option. And when I made such a powerful decision, I just became so determined that nothing was going to stop me. And now I'm epitome of health.

Speaker 1: 8:23

And now I'm epitome of health. Wow, Wow, that is amazing. So did you ever go back to I mean, you know people go see their doctors and you know you get your annual and all that Did you ever go back to get a physical with the same doctor, or any doctor for that matter, Because they're going to see your medical record?

Speaker 2: 8:50

Like what was their response to all this I did? I finally went back to the neurologist and the first question she asked me is are you gluten-free? And I remember just like why did she ask me if I'm gluten-free? I'm like, well, I am, but just because it hurts my tummy. It was no other reason than that. And they explain it as artifacts.

Speaker 2: 9:04

The changes could be an artifact in the MRI, but she's like yeah, you don't have as many lesions as you had before. And the one on my optic nerve which was causing blindness, it's still there, but it's not an active lesion, it's just more of a scar. But the lesions I had, all in the back of my brain, my spine, they weren't showing up and I have been symptom free since, uh, 2015,. Uh, no numbness in the legs, no vision loss Actually, my vision is better in this eye now than the other eye and I just stopped going and I went to get life insurance policy and I named the neurologist and it'd been so long I didn't have any records even anymore. Just they couldn't even find me. So I don't even write down multiple sclerosis anywhere because you can't find it. I wonder. I've always kind of wondered, though, with a with a spinal tap. Could they find it again? Uh, but I don't need to know because my lifestyle is the epitome of health. Like I don't need to find that out.

Speaker 1: 10:00

Um, yeah, wow, that is amazing. So let me ask you this Now that, because you're saying you're the epitome of health, what are some of the things that you are doing that you didn't do prior to your diagnosis?

Speaker 2: 10:21

This is the question I probably get asked the most, and this is what I tell people. It's not in a cold water shower and all those things are great. I laid in bed and I imagined Mario brother, the Mario brother, the guy with the paint can like back back in my day. It was Donkey Kong. So the Donkey Kong guy, when I laid in bed every night, was painting my Milan sheath with paint.

Speaker 2: 10:41

And I did it every night before I went to sleep and every morning when I woke up, before I came to a complete conscious state of awareness. And I use my imagination. This is before I knew anything about mindfulness. This is before internet, this is before dispenser, this is just before anything. I would just lay there and I asked myself this question if I can create disease, why can't I create wellness, why can't I make myself better? And I challenged myself that question.

Speaker 2: 11:06

So it wasn't this the gluten and the exercise and yoga, all that's fantastic and I agree with all of it. But what I really did was use my imagination on the cellular level to start imagining what optimal wellness looked like for me, based on what the medical community said needed to happen. So, like what do you need? Like, ask physician, like what do you need? I asked physician like what do you need? Optimal outcome Well, if your myelin was to repair, all right, gotcha, that's what I'm going to go do. Wow, that's the secret sauce. All of it's fantastic, the yoga, all that's great. But your imagination can create wellness.

Speaker 1: 11:40

So people are going to listen to this and say are you telling me that I can cure myself?

Speaker 2: 11:47

as a PhD, I'm very mindful of the word cured because I really leave that to the MDs. But what I can say is I've worked with hundreds of pediatrics, hundreds of adults, and I have numerous accounts of physicians saying your remission, you are healed, your GI tract looks better, your inflammatory markers are down. I don't use the cured word. I've only heard one physician use it in all my patients, so I'm very mindful about that word. But can you achieve excellent, almost optimal, optimal wellness, unequivocally, a billion percent? Every fiber of my being knows that's possible. I've done it. I see it every day at work. There's, there was someone that was on a stomach transplant list. She almost died. She's now a mother and a wife. She died seven times from sepsis, from GI disorders. She did exactly what I taught her and she's a mother and a wife right now, totally cured and healed. That's the one they call cured.

Speaker 1: 12:47

I don't even know what to say. Dr Scarlett, you're giving me shivers down my spine. It's very powerful what you're saying, but my mind is definitely blown. So with that I could see where the mind-body being a mind-body psychotherapist kind of comes in. And I know that we talk about that and that's kind of like the buzzword right Mind and body connection. Everyone's talking about it. I talk about it, but from your perspective, based on what you do, what does the mind and body connection really mean to you and the work that you do?

Speaker 2: 13:35

That's my favorite question. The one main element that connects the mind to the body are emotions. Emotions are the glue that connect the mind to the body. We have roughly 60,000 thoughts a day. Women have roughly 25 trillion cells For every thought that we have 60,000 thoughts. Odds are some of the autoimmune or GI or anxiety or depression has up to 30,000 negative thoughts a day. Literally 30,000 negative thoughts a day. Literally Every one of those negative thoughts and automatic negative thoughts releases a cortisol or a stress response hormones, neurotransmitters, neurochemicals, peptides to the 25, 27 trillion cells. That creates inflammation and disease in the cell. Over time. The dis-ease creates disease. So the one thing, if you were to narrow everything down is the glue that binds the mind to the body are emotions.

Speaker 1: 14:38

That comes to mind our conversation when we first met. I mean, you blew my mind in that conversation because I said to you that I totally believe in the mind-body connection and I was talking about my own personal experience having gastroparesis, going through a horrible, terrible divorce, being in a horrific relationship, and I was explaining that to you and you said that's a frozen response. Yeah, and explain a little bit about what that is. What's the frozen response?

Speaker 2: 15:18

All right. So we have the thoughts. Those thoughts create a limbic response. It's either fight, flight or frozen. We're all familiar with that. But what's really not recognized is anything below the diaphragm, like a gastroparesis or Crohn's or bloating or gas, not diarrhea, but those things is a frozen response. A frozen response happens after a prolonged fight or flight. The brain can no longer take. You're in the war zone for so long. It actually goes to complete immobilization and frozen, which also freezes up the biologics. So your default has now gone to a frozen response. Excessive fatigue, don't want to get out of bed, bloating gas those are all indications of a frozen response. And this is something else. An extreme case of it is psychogenic seizures, when people pass out or syncope and there's no medical reason. That is an extreme response of frozen. Celine Dion stiff person syndrome, frozen response. Wow, your symptoms tell me what your solution is, what limbic response you're in.

Speaker 1: 16:29

Oh my God. So you said that to me and I'm like how does she know? So how does she know? Like, honestly, I was like you literally woke me up. I was like how did she know that? That was spot on. And then I was mentioning about. You know, I have some friends who were diagnosed with lupus and you mentioned Fight response.

Speaker 2: 16:54

Yeah, yeah, so that's a prolonged fight response and usually autoimmune vacillates between all three but their primary is fight and I talk about this actually in other, actually in my podcast. I talk about this it's chronic invalidation. Chronic invalidation, where you're chronically invalidated, whether by a partner, a parent or a medical or even social media, can cause stuffed anger, stuffed rage. So many times I work with people of autoimmune.

Speaker 2: 17:22

There's a lot of chronic invalidation, either through childhood or poor attachment style in childhood or a partner and this unresolved fight response, this inability to use the voice but wanting to use the voice and stuffing and stuffing and stuffing and when any this is kind of a really fascinating when we stuff our emotions, we do will form a self abandonment. We don't use our voice and we don't use our voice, we abandon ourselves. We get further from our truth. We don't use our voice, we abandon ourselves. We get further from our truth. We get further from our truth. We start building up resentment for the person that we can't tell our truth to and our own resentment. I call it a double scoop of resentment that's all turned into self-loathing and anger. And the more we self-abandon, the more we feel resentment. The more unexpressed anger, the less we use our voice. Wow, make sense.

Speaker 1: 18:11

Yeah yeah. That's just amazing. As you were explaining that, I thought to myself when you well, let me ask you this when you are seeing your clients, when they start talking about their history and they start working on that, how soon after do they start noticing a shift on feeling better?

Speaker 2: 18:36

That's a great question. One of three things have to happen either one or all three. They recognize how much their thoughts are creating their disease. They recognize the attachment style whether it be a toxic, unhealthy partner or a parent is impacting their disease. Because stress is contagious. Cortisol goes up 40% by people who have anxiety or wait. I said stress, attachment, thoughts, emotions, attachment style and secondary gains is the third one. So thoughts and emotions go in a category, attachment style is another category and then secondary gains. I will speak for myself. I definitely subconsciously had a secondary gain the entire time I was sick. It wasn't until I was done with the secondary gain, this need to feel important, this need to feel nurtured. I was gaining something from being sick. But on the deep subconscious level I'm not thinking, oh, I want to get my mommy's love. It's not at all. You don't realize you're doing it. Once people realize, it's one of those three things, if not all three instant, instant, instant.

Speaker 2: 19:47

Wow Okay that's the power of the mind. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 1: 20:03

Yeah, yes, unbelievable. Um, my gosh. I normally am not specialist, but with you I am. Um, you know what it is it's like, cause I believe, I believe everything you're saying because I lived it and, um, you know when I, when I am not in, just to be very, uh, vulnerable here and and transparent, I should say being transparent here, when I am a in a toxic relationship. I mean that, if that's not a great example, okay. When anybody's in a toxic relationship toxic job you don't feel good, your stomach is tight, you don't sleep, you feel sick. It is overwhelming how bad you feel, all the negativity that you feel. And then the moment, literally the moment you leave, feel. And then the moment, literally the moment you leave, I mean the moment, it's like you will step out the door.

Speaker 2: 21:11

It's like it's gone. Yep Experienced that a couple of times too.

Speaker 1: 21:15

It's amazing. So I mean I I'm listening to you but I never thought of it in that realm, thinking of disease in that realm, because it does manifest. I mean, like I said, I talk about having that stomach issue that manifests it, and it was a slow manifest and I could tell you the months that it started becoming to that point where I couldn't eat anymore and then, like I said, the moment it ended it was just like what the heck? I think for some people it's very hard to understand that concept. But I want to ask you this, because you know we are seeing a lot, a lot of autoimmune diseases. Like you know, it's almost like wait a minute why, all of a sudden, people are getting like the stomach issues, not being able to eat foods and all that. I mean what happened 10 years ago? Why is there such a increase in these types of diseases? What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2: 22:29

Well, it's 80 million people have autoimmune more than cancer, heart disease and diabetes combined, and I think it's something like over 80% females. Yeah, wow, I know that's actually a huge deal. I leave that answer to the researchers. I really like to stay in my lane. But COVID had a really big part of it Seed oils, toxins, metals, all the environment.

Speaker 2: 22:55

What we do know is autoimmune runs in my family and certain environments can trigger it to happen. So what we do know is that even if you have the environment, heavy metals, toxins, covid, seed oils all these things are linked to inflammation. Now, but we do know that even if your DNA, your messenger RNA, gets expressed to express the disease, you can actually unexpress it. So what's causing it? I don't know. I've just written in my book like back in my generation we didn't have that. You're right Cause back in my generation we didn't have that. But I also knew.

Speaker 2: 23:31

You know, when the streetlights went on, you went home. There wasn't 24, seven media stress, response, news outlets, constant, chronic invalidation. Whether you know you don't get liked on the social media, you feel a sense of invalidation. This plethora of toxic, abusive relationships out there. It's just rather remarkable, almost epidemic and parental attachment styles. You grow up with an avoidant, dismissive parent, parent and the pendulum swings. You become this over helicopter parent and that creates anxiety in the child. So there's so many factors. I do believe in environmental, but I also believe that we are living in a day and age when stress doesn't ever leave us because our phone is right next to us. And I always ask people, if you were a patient who's in the chronic victim mode, if I was to take you and put you in Papua New Guinea and you had to go get your own food and water and build, would you be sick? Nope, I wouldn't be sick. Okay, just puck you from the environment, yeah, but I don't want to. I'm like all right.

Speaker 1: 24:38

Okay on this. When I was asking you, when you see the clients, what does it look like to work with you? So you know you bring in this person, I'm going to have to say that this individual has to be very open-minded, because you're going to be talking about things that they might not accept as a problem. You're talking about attachment with parents, talking about some trauma that they have been stuffing for years. What are some of the things that you do at first, or what does it look like to work with you?

Speaker 2: 25:21

I appreciate your question so much because that, on so many levels, is so spot on. Parents come to me desperate, desperate. Adults come to me, desperate, and the first two questions I ask is do you want to heal? And people think, oh, of course I want to heal, but actually not really. And do you believe you can heal? And when I asked, do you want to heal, I wait to hear doubt. I wait to hear what automatic negative thoughts they're going to have. I wait to hear what excuses they're going to have. I wait for the parent to chime in and interrupt and say why the kid can't heal. I have my entire treatment plan answered. Those two questions Tells me everything I need to know in those two questions. And do you believe you can heal? Uh, no, I don't, but I trust you. All right, cool, I got that. Just give me one thread. Give me one thread and I'll walk you. I'll walk you across the bridge.

Speaker 2: 26:12

Um, so what it looks like is no, I'm very gentle, I don't jump right in Like you're just functional Tetris style. No, I roll into it. I, the main thing is I want to build a bond and I'm rather self-deprecating, not in a self-loathing way. I'm so in love with myself, finally, after 51 years. It took forever to get here, but I'm just so comfortable being flawed and it's just being the authentically flawed that I am.

Speaker 2: 26:36

Hey, this is why I did this group as a parent. I screwed up this, I screwed up this. My kid has an autoimmune disease too, which she's better now. She was in a walk, had a walker for a long time, but that's how all this really came to be. So, first of all, it's just really this genuine. Let's just chill, let's just vibe, like, do we vibe? Do we get along? Do I get the tingles? When I talk to you, can you resonate on the same wavelength where I feel this? Be quite frank with you all this divine feeling I get inside and I just I know I got it, I got it, I got it. Whether they've got it or not, I've got it. Then, once the rapport is built, we get into things that are, hey, your 30,000 thoughts. You hate yourself not really helping.

Speaker 1: 27:21

Oh my gosh. Okay. So I asked you that question because when you were talking about you know, does someone? Well, going back to what you said, when you said, you had that point where you're like I'm done, I'm not going to get sick anymore. I got to figure this out. And that's not just I can't even, I don't even know how to explain it, because I felt that it's this force, it's the get out of my goddamn way. I am getting like you are like nope, nope. I got to figure, I'm going to figure this out. And that's exactly how I was. I was like no, like I was determined. There was no doubt in my mind. I was like a force to be reckoned with. So it's not just like, oh, I'm just sick and tired of this, but God, but I don't want to really do that. You have to get to that point where you're just like I need to get this, I'll do anything to get this.

Speaker 2: 28:27

That's it. That's it. It's this determination, this internal drive, just to reach that point where, like, who else is going to do it? No one's going to do it for you, and I waited for many, many years for some doctor, a partner, a family member, someone not going to happen. There's no answers.

Speaker 1: 28:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:56

Yeah, I a hundred percent agree with you, it is, and you know when you know, when you know, know when you know.

Speaker 1: 29:02

Yeah, it's crazy because it's like I never it's so hard to like. I said it's that determination, but, as I'm even telling you, my imagination is going to like me, like rushing opening doors and just like I'm going to get to the bottom of this. But let's talk about your podcast, because you also have a podcast. And what's the name of the podcast? What is it about? What type of? I mean, do you have guests? What type of guests will be coming on to the podcast?

Speaker 2: 29:35

Yeah, so I just started, I think I'm. I got like five recorded and it's called Heal your Mind, heal your Body. And I did it because working 12 hour days I love it I mean, I really do love my job but I can't get the knowledge out there. I feel like I just get in a dead end like every hour and everyone's like everyone's lives are changing. So I started the podcast to just disseminate this. Really, these are areas of the mind-body connection that no one's talking about. That really is what matter. Naturopath love it.

Speaker 2: 30:08

I like to work in conjunction with naturopaths and medical doctors, but no one's talking about emotions and attachment and chronic invalidation and secondary gains and identification, all these things. So it's heal your mind, heal your body. Right now I'm just talking about laying the groundwork of what are the components in my arena that make up the mind body connection. Uh, but I always like tell people it's in conjunction with medical and naturopathic. That's when it works the best.

Speaker 2: 30:31

Um, so, yeah, I'll have guests. I'll have the physicians on who've seen the miracle patient. I'll have a couple of them on. I'll have my patients that have healed and been cured, also by some of the physicians A woman who's had mast cell activation, which every time she ate food, she became anaphylactic and had to go to the ER and stab herself in EpiPen eat whatever she wants. Now Someone's been vomited for two or three months straight. After, I think, the third session she was done vomiting. Yeah, lots of patients on that will tell their stories and I really applaud them because it takes a huge level of vulnerability to come out and tell the world. Wow.

Speaker 2: 31:05

Okay, but that's how strongly they feel about recognizing one woman. She's going to come on and she has chronic IBS. But IBS was from a life or death trauma situation, a car accident, and once she realized her secondary gain, gone. Wow, IBS gone.

Speaker 1: 31:24

What's the name of the podcast?

Speaker 2: 31:26

Heal your Mind, Heal your Body.

Speaker 1: 31:28

Okay.

Speaker 2: 31:29

With Dr Schuyler.

Speaker 1: 31:30

Okay, and we can hear that everywhere Any podcast platform that people listen to their podcast. Dr Schuyler, what's coming up for you in the couple of months besides the podcast? Any new courses, new webinars, any talks? What's going on with you?

Speaker 2: 31:51

I do have a book coming out. I'm excited about this.

Speaker 2: 31:56

It's Empower your Child to Heal. But my developing editor, David Jars, is my right-hand human. It's actually going to be two books because it's not just about empowering your child. We're actually developing a second book simultaneously and empowering yourself to heal. So that's going to roll out at the end of the year hopefully both of them and it talks about the eight ways for anxiety, Eight ways that makes you the mind-body connection, the attachment style, chronic invalidation, the things I've talked about. So that's coming out the end of the year. I do have, if you go to drskylernet you can click for newsletters and every month I am doing free tidbits, information, sneak peeks in the book and things I don't talk about on the podcast. That are just tidbits, information like hey, I learned this the hard way or this really helps. So yeah, drskylernet. And then the book Empower your Child and Yourself to Heal. I can't believe two books came out at once, but it was so much knowledge, it just kind of rolled out that way.

Speaker 1: 33:00

That's amazing. Well, I'm definitely invested in that. And where can people find you on social media?

Speaker 2: 33:08

I just started Instagram, it's Dr Skylar, and then, I think, two underscores. And then on TikTok, I'm Dr Skylar. I've been on that for a little bit. Linkedin too, dr Skylar Hamilton. I think that I'm not on Facebook yet, but I have a media company setting me up for that.

Speaker 1: 33:27

Oh, perfect, and if you want to get a hold of or connect with Dr Skylar, we're going to put all her links on the Schuyler. Again, I'm so overwhelmed by the goodness that you are providing on this episode and I'm speechless because it's just such good stuff that you are doing, that you're doing good work. I'm so fortunate to have you on here on the podcast the listeners just an amazing individual that you are and you're definitely doing the good work. So thank you so much for being a part of this.

Speaker 2: 34:16

Thank you so much for actually saying those words and for having me Seriously thank you.

Speaker 1: 34:22

You're welcome and until next time. Everyone, Bye.