From Zero to Marathon with Sarah Paupini Ep. 170

Can you transform from a gym class avoider to a marathon runner? Join us as we explore Sarah Paupini's remarkable journey from someone who loathed running to training for a marathon in memory of her late father. Sarah sheds light on how she found strength and motivation from her community, turning an immense personal challenge into a source of inspiration. This episode is a testament to the extraordinary power of ordinary people breaking past stereotypes and embracing their fears.

Sara is an attorney with the NYS Office of Mental Health- she is active in the local theater community and proud pet mama to Puccini and Nala. She is a newbie to running- but has been secretly wanting to shake things up in her world by running a marathon. She got more than she bargained for! 

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Speaker 2: 0:10

Welcome to Ella Go. My name is Lisa. Join me on the journey in having real raw and uncomfortable discussions about fitness, health and everything in between, because, let's be honest, this journey would suck if we don't get our shit together. Welcome back everyone to the Elegoo podcast. My name is Lisa, I am your host and I'm super, super excited because we had tons of technical difficulties. Oh my god, today I have a special guest, sarah, welcome, hello. So, sarah, first of all, you are part of the running group for Ella Go, and how did we even connect? How did?

Speaker 1: 1:06

I don't even remember, okay, so I went to um, what was that conference at power 518? Were you there? I was there on that horrible snowy day. That was like treachery. I was there and then somehow you were in, you were tagged by somebody else and I was kind of like bored like in just stalking people and saw what you were doing and I was like, holy crap, I have to reach out to this woman.

Speaker 2: 1:31

This is exactly what I need.

Speaker 1: 1:32

Yeah, that's so cool. We didn't meet there. I didn't, you know. No, I was hiding in the back and yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 2: 1:40

Okay, well, that's how we met everyone, so, sarah, introduce yourself to the audience.

Speaker 1: 1:46

Sure, my name is Sarah Paupini. I am a middle-aged attorney with a state agency. I work for the Office of Mental Health and I decided this year I needed to do something. That really, really scared me. And so I decided to run a marathon. And I guess you'll ask are you a runner? And no, no, I just forego the 5K, everything. And I went right for the big enchilada and I was lucky enough to get on the team in training with the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society, so I was able to join that team and raise money in memory of my dad. Oh, was he a runner? No, no, he's probably laughing about all of this, which it makes it even better, but he's definitely been with me on this journey and is keeping my sense of humor about it. But yeah, so I am, hopefully November 3rd, doing something that I never thought I'd be able to do, that scares me, humbles me and that I'm so excited to try.

Speaker 2: 2:54

That's cool, all right, so, sarah? So back in the day, you never once in your life said, hey, let me try running. That seems like a cool idea.

Speaker 1: 3:03

No, I lied at gym class. I was one of those kids that you know, when you had a male gym teacher you'd say you had your period, like to get out of running. That was me. I'm sorry my gym teachers watch it. Um, I just know. And that was athletic, but that was like different. I just I wasn't. I wasn't athletic, I was a kid picking daisies in the field, you know dirty soccer and baseball and all that. No, I mean, I was in all of it because I just I couldn't wrap my head around why somebody would do this voluntarily.

Speaker 2: 3:35

But no, no, yeah, Okay. So what got you to? Okay? So we're talking zero, you're doing zero to a hundred, okay. So, yes, never, you didn't train for a 5k. Have you ran a?

Speaker 1: 3:49

5k I have. I train, I did the fry hoppers run about seven years ago and I met a great I was doing I was going to this yoga studio and they have this group that was going to train and do it together and do yoga and I signed up and I remember the first day we all sat and they're like why are you doing this? I like cause I can't say running sucks if I've never done it.

Speaker 1: 4:08

And they're like oh and I? I did it. I enjoyed the company, but I hated it. I didn't. It didn't feel good, I mean, but I the finishing coming down that Hill on the.

Speaker 2: 4:18

that was awesome, um, but every second of it I hated it so fast forward from that time to the point where you're like I'm going to do a marathon, no running in between, nah, nah, not even running away from a dog.

Speaker 1: 4:33

Maybe towards an ice cream truck. That's about it. I like dogs. No, yeah, okay, I'd run from a bee Like ugh. So let's talk about this marathon. Like what are you thinking? No, I'm sure wine was involved, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 4:53

I, I you know, like, uh, your whole life, you're you know you're in junior high and they're like wait till you get to high school. It's so hard and you do, and you manage and you get through.

Speaker 1: 5:00

Oh, college it's so hard you do what you get through. I went to law school, like, and it was hard but you got through. And like, between then and now I think you have your challenges and work, your challenges and life or whatever. But, like I and I do theater for fun, right, and so putting those shows together and and that that can be hard, but I needed. I was just craving learning something different and doing something that was like like literally something. I thought like there's no way you can do this, there's no way at all, and I just kind of needed that and the more I sort of I just kind of jumped in blindly and then, instead of people laughing at me, people like my dad's friends and family, and everybody was so supportive about it that I was like, oh crap, I got to do this.

Speaker 1: 5:46

And what's cool now is that you can go online and see people who, like, look like they they're not. You know the typical runner. What do you think of a runner? These tiny little. You know amazingly athletic women and these little like you know bikini bottoms or whatever. Like they look like normal people. And there's normal people out there. You know advocacy, advocating for like all times or running times, and you know and and it's really kind of a cool thing to see. And you start thinking like with training, maybe I can do, maybe I can do this. And you know, I've had some stumbles along the way, as you know, but it just sort of was cool to kind of like dive in and learn something new. And you know, read about it and get inspired and and learn, you know about shoes and toys, and you know it was really it was cool to do something like that.

Speaker 2: 6:41

Okay. So when you were thinking of doing team and training, obviously it's for to honor your, your father, who passed away, and how long ago did he pass away?

Speaker 1: 6:52

This summer, this July, it'll be nine years. Just crazy.

Speaker 2: 6:55

And so he would have been 80.

Speaker 1: 6:58

In November, two weeks after I ran the race, he would have been 80.

Speaker 2: 7:01

So wow, okay.

Speaker 1: 7:03

Yeah. So, and I'm kind of coming up on a milestone birthday 45, you know you hit these milestones and you're like, how do I want to commemorate that? And it just seemed to kind of all come together.

Speaker 2: 7:14

Yeah, yeah. So with team and training, you have to like, um, you have to uh, what is it Funds? Right, Raise funds.

Speaker 1: 7:25

Yeah, yeah, you have to fundraise. There's a set dollar figure and then you pay for your race entry and you're just kind of connected to there's about 120 people, I think, on the team running New York City and they're from all I'm probably. You know there's some people who live in the city, but people are coming from Ireland and California and Washington and Oregon. I mean they're all over and they all have such incredible stories and we have a coach that kind of checks in and you know he's got an incredible story too he lost his mom and so it's just it's really motivating and it's another kind of group to throw ideas off of. It's really motivating and it's another kind of group to throw ideas off of. But you're still sort of on your own in that there's nobody in the Albany area running it. So I'm, you know, you're still kind of an Island, but you can check in with folks.

Speaker 2: 8:16

Oh, okay, so I didn't know that. So let's talk about the, the whole running process. Okay, so you get your, your um. I'm sure he gives you like a whole plan of what. Where are you going to begin. So can you just walk us through that first couple of days of when you started running, Like what was going on in your head, Like what tell us about this?

Speaker 1: 8:42

So I that those plans started like two weeks ago so and there was, I was like no, this isn't. So. This was February when I actually started. And there's a group a friend got me introduced online again to the Slow AF Run Club and they he's got plans. I read his book and so I started jumping in with his plan to just his 10k plan. I was like I didn't even do the five. I laughed at the five, I'll go for 10k, Right, let's do that. So to get me through to and any part of it, it was talking about intervals. Right, you start off slow. So I literally I think my starting interval was running for 30 seconds, walking for 90.

Speaker 2: 9:26

Wait. Hold on Running for 30 seconds 30 seconds, walking for 90 seconds.

Speaker 1: 9:32

Oh, okay, and let me tell you, it all was pretty much the same speed. So I mean, like, when it boils down, I was like, oh my God, that's the same and that. But you know what, like in the past I think it would have been like this sucks For what. I don't know if it's because of the goal I had, you know, and start I was like this is awesome. I am woman, hear me, roar, I don't know why, but it like I wasn't frustrated, like it's almost delusional, like I had.

Speaker 1: 9:57

Some friends were like you know it's long, you know, make it easy, it's a long, it's a long road, but it was sort of a way to ease into it. And then, you know, slowly those intervals kind of narrow down. And like yesterday, my plan had 2.8 miles, like I'm starting over over again after some injuries, and I ran that the whole thing. I kind of started my little walk around and then it felt good and I was going slow, I'm doing my, but it felt better to run which is like it's weird coming out of my mouth, but it true, it just.

Speaker 1: 10:36

It's just patience and like I think I'm coming at it, like I'm not looking. I just told a friend today, my friend Peter. I was like, hey, no matter what happens in November, I'm going to have the PR. Like how awesome is that. Like I can't lose right. Like how awesome. So you know, when your goal is to get there and finish, it just takes the pressure off. You know, I just need to finish.

Speaker 1: 11:06

So I kind of keep that in mind and I just try to stick with the plan. I try to be smart, I try to follow what you've been teaching us. I try to, you know, get the rest in. I try to do cross training, I try to lift weights and, just, you know, build myself up. Like I thought you just go out there and you keep running 20 miles over and over and over again. I didn't like when you do a play, you do the. You do the play 20 times before you do it for an audience. But like with the marathon, I'm like, because my mom would be like you're only running like two miles. I was like, no, you never run the 26.2 until that day, and like that blows my mind as a background in arts, and she was like, oh God. So I mean I'm still kind of like I'm trusting it, but it's still kind of mind blowing to me that like that day will be the first day I try to do the thing.

Speaker 2: 11:53

So yeah, that's you know, and that's funny that you say that, because I don't think people realize that it's a buildup. So it's not like you know. You know you want to practice, but it's a-up to that day and the body is weird and I know there's a lot of people that would argue, argue about whether or not you should actually do the marathon, um distance before the marathon, um, because I, you know there's tons of people that are saying different things. But your body, body, you know is, you know it would suck if you did the marathon before the marathon and then you were done Like your body was like, yeah, that's great, but we ain't doing this shit again Exactly, and I think not having it would also be like it would mess with me, like the curiosity, like could I?

Speaker 1: 12:43

I think the highest mine goes is 20. Like one day it's 20. I don't know how. I guess I got to start at seven, and maybe at seven at night I'll be done, who knows. But you know, 10 miles out, 10 miles back, and it's like so weird. I'll get in the car and now I look just to see how far. So like I'm like shoot, I'm gonna have to run, um, but it's, it's, it's. I don't know if I could, I mean, and I would love to read up more about it, but I think, just like mentally for me, like so much of this is going to be mental for me, I think it's weird. Like yesterday I sort of it just was like on autopilot, you know the movement, right, the run, run, run. But I, what the mind game was just like keep looking at, like how far no-transcript.

Speaker 2: 14:00

Interesting thing you said about you know driving and you're like, wow, that's a lot. Your, your mindset is going to change because it's going to get to the point where, like for me, when I see distance and I said, oh my God, that's only 10 miles, I can run, that, that's not far.

Speaker 2: 14:16

You'll get to that point and then you'll start thinking of, like, if you can run it, it's not that far. You know, that's the mindset, yeah, and you know everything about this process, especially as someone. Something as daunting as a marathon, a lot of it is that mental state of can I do this? And that's why you know, really the biggest thing about this race is the mental like can I do this? Because even through the training, how many times you know what the hell am I doing? Why am I doing this? Am I crazy? And then, um, how am I going to finish this? And I'm not.

Speaker 2: 14:58

And then you start panicking. And then the next day you're like, oh shit, I got this, I got this. Oh yeah, this is going to be and it's going to be like that, and it's just, that's the process. So, okay, what do you do to get you like in that zone, like and when I say zone, I don't mean in the zone while you're running but when you start panicking, you're like, holy shit, how the hell, how do you bring yourself down Like I don't?

Speaker 1: 15:26

think I don't know if I'm like crazy or delusional I haven't gotten to that about the race yet because, like, I think I've had this little. So I, I had a back injury that like Lisa's worked with me through, where I was sidelined for it was like seven weeks and, um, I just was like I, I, I just want to, I just want to move, I just want to do it again, um, so I'm kind of like it's still in the grateful, like, oh my God, I'm back. This is great. So I need to remember that you know when, when, the what the hell am I thinking I'm never going to be able to do this comes back into my head which it will, because it it does like you know, at work, it does whatever you know trying on clothes. You know like it happens.

Speaker 1: 16:13

So I know it's going to happen and I think, if I, if I pull back to like hey, you were really kind of bummed when it looked like maybe you weren't going to do this, which was even worse than the pain, like you really really wanted to see if you could get this done, and now like, oh man, this might not happen. So I haven't gotten there yet. I'm sure I will, but I'm hoping that I can. I don't know if that sounds too flowery, like the gratitude, just the, the just being grateful that, like a newbie, can jump in and try to do this and on that day, like I'm doing it, yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 16:54

You know, yeah, and I'm sorry that I brought that up. No, that was, we went too far into the journey. I'm gone there yet. No, you and you may not. I thought you did, but you may not.

Speaker 1: 17:11

I mean, I can't imagine.

Speaker 2: 17:12

You may not. It's not delusional. You may not because you said it. First of all, the goal it's in honor of your father and you're grateful for doing the run it's the New York City freaking marathon. First of all, that's like everyone's bucket list and you also had. Let's take a step back. You also had an injury, so let's so tell us what was going in your mind, because I wasn't sure what was going in your mind when you told me. I know you were like concerned, but I don't know if in your mind where you're like okay, this is not going to happen, or where were you when the injury occurred.

Speaker 1: 17:53

I well, it just like I did a run. And then I came I sat and it was whatever. And when I got up it was I. It was the most pain I've ever felt going down my leg and I had had sciatica in the past. Um, back in grad school, from sitting all the time, you know study. So I thought, oh, here we go, it'll be gone in a week. So I sat on ice for like a week. It got worse. I was like well, I got to rest another week. So I waited two weeks before I went to urgent care and they're like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's sciatica. That sounds right. Here's some steroids. And I took those steroids. And I think that's the one time I came out and ran with the group because I was like I feel great, steroids are awesome. And I think I was like yelling that, went to the gym, was lifting heavier. I had two amazing days and then hit me again.

Speaker 1: 18:45

Waited two weeks, was like not leaving home, went into work. One day my co-workers saw me and they're like holy, you've got to go back to urgent care, you need someone. So I went, they did x-rays, everything looked fine, but I got uh, um, they suggested an mri and then that showed um two bulging discs and um a cyst on my spine, um, so in some arthritis which I I knew from dancing days. So I went to the physical therapist, who is a runner, and he, um was so awesome and gave me some great exercises and really explained, um, the why of what I was feeling and why he felt confident that movement, in fact, would you know, help get me to where I wanted to be and that, yes, yes, it's going to be possible to do it. So that was like amazing. I like cried in the car I think I voice messaged you, like because it was just so reassuring.

Speaker 1: 19:38

I hadn't been sort of passed around medically and not really because I came in through urgent care, I was just kind of in a dead zone of practitioners. So I've been doing the exercises he gave me, which like seems so weird, but how we explain things, it's really making a difference. And I've been moving and, like I rode my bike today and went to the gym. It felt great. So I'm just going to see how much the cyst on my spine plays into like whatever I'm feeling. But it's like nowhere near like I couldn't move, I was like crawling around and the dog was like this is awesome, um, so I can drive, it's great. So I am, um, I'm cautiously optimistic, but like I think that there's a little bit of fear still there, like I could do something, but I know what it is now and I feel like I'm in good hands. Could do something, but I know what it is now and I feel like I'm in good hands.

Speaker 2: 20:33

So when you were going through that whole process, your mindset it wasn't saying, you know, oh, I'm not going to be able to finish this. I mean, what was it saying to you?

Speaker 1: 20:55

It was. You know, part of it was like here you go, Why'd you even try? You know, like you did this to yourself. Maybe if you lost some weight, maybe if you weren't so big trying to do this, oh, you let yourself go. If you had kept up right, like all this stuff, oh, you'd have a metal rod in your back and you're never going to be right from 45 to 95. You're this is it, and I'm like and part of it also was like I just discovered this awesome community, this thing that I enjoy, that like feel so good for my mental health, feel so good for my body, and I'm not going to be able to do it anymore.

Speaker 2: 21:25

Like.

Speaker 1: 21:25

I just discovered this and that was really frustrating. That was really hard.

Speaker 2: 21:31

So how did you keep yourself going? Because, even though you weren't running with us, you still showed up at the Sunday meetup.

Speaker 1: 21:42

It was good and like we have our group chat and just like being able to cheer for women who were like a lot of I think most of us were like new or hadn't done it in a really long time. So just seeing how other the others were progressing on your team like really was cool, like it was really motivating. You could root from people from afar. It just sort of like it's like okay, when I'm ready, like I'll be back and I can be with these awesome women. So that was like it was super motivating.

Speaker 1: 22:13

I was reading well, there's like so many funny memes about running on Instagram and my love language is memes, so I send them to people and I have all these awesome books. Like I got along the way that I've been reading and hoping that things would turn around, and like I could keep my head in the game still, so to speak. And in that, like you told me, you're still training, you're training your mind. So that really made a difference. That really took me out of a funk and it was like no, she's right. Like eat healthy shit, don't. Don't talk to yourself this way. And like keep training, you're still training. So and that was huge. That was huge.

Speaker 2: 22:57

Oh, good, good, Okay. So now you're back on track, you're feeling good, you're feeling very motivated. How do you keep yourself? I know you're saying you're grateful, so what are some of the things that you say to yourself besides being grateful that you're grateful? So what are some of the things that you say to yourself besides being grateful that you're in this journey? But what are some of the things you say to yourself even as you're running, like, what are the things that come through in your mindset to keep you going?

Speaker 1: 23:26

Yeah, like definitely the gratitude, but also I try to you know like I feel strong, like if I, you know like I feel strong, like if I, I like yesterday, I remember, you know, I looked and I was like, uh, like I freaked myself out because I had been running a period without like a walk, and and then the mind games oh, it hurts right, oh, oh, I think you're out of breath. And it just said, no, I feel strong. And I just kind of like said that to myself and it was like, yeah, stop freaking out mind. And it just I let my, you know, I let myself go into like physically, felt the need that it's like, okay, let's just now have a little twinge in the back. So I just like, okay, let's walk out for a minute and then start back up. Um, I, I, I give myself a little bit, I'm trying to not be. So.

Speaker 1: 24:13

I think the first, those first couple months, I was like, and you know I was going to go to the gym Thursday After work. I got home and that was the kiss of death. I didn't, I didn't change that work and I was like you know what, I switched things around in my calendar and I'm like today's my rest day, what I switched things around in my calendar and I'm like today's my rest day. So I did it yesterday. I brought my clothes to the to work and changed in my office and that made all the difference went right to the gym and then, like today, because we shifted around because of the weather not running outside, so I went to a gym class and tomorrow around, and it gave me another day in between. You know, the next time I'll run I'll probably be Tuesday, so kind of it worked out. So I think, having the flexibility for life and like how you're feeling, um, but not like, not like making an excuse for yourself, which I would have done in the beginning. You know, shitty night of sleep. You, you're hungry.

Speaker 1: 25:08

I am this right? Like I would have found any reason not to. I think it's just like. No, this will, I know it'll make me feel better. The hardest part for me is getting to the gym. Get you know, starting is always the hardest, and and and. Then there's times like I'm excited about it, like it's, it's, it's less. I'm finding less and less. It's like white knuckling, forcing myself and it's, it's, it's less. I'm finding less and less. It's like white knuckling, forcing myself and it's, you know, it's a minor flash and then I'm like now, once you do this, you're gonna feel good and I'm fine. Um, or I'm looking forward to it, which is, I mean, my teenage self out at the track at high school would have been like what are.

Speaker 2: 25:51

Are you doing so? Um, do you? Because you started running solo and you've ran in a group. What's the difference?

Speaker 1: 26:05

I see I like I'm um, for as outgoing or whatever as people think I am, I I need a lot of solo time, so I don't mind the listening to music or putting on a podcast and going or even like nothing, and going.

Speaker 1: 26:23

What's nice about the group is it does pass the time. We can talk. We're all. You know, I thought I'd be. I was kind of afraid the first time. Um, you know, I didn't, we didn't all didn't know each other. We were all kind of in the same boat and I'm like what if I can't keep up? What if I see too heavy next to them and I freak them out right? Like what if I can't do it? I'm going to feel like a failure and um, it's just, you know, we were all kind of there and sometimes you know someone would fall behind, someone would push ahead, but like we could all be there and we were talking and it, it, just it made it go so much faster.

Speaker 1: 27:02

And it was like fun. It was fun and you know like that was the quickest three miles of my life.

Speaker 2: 27:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The people take you, the women take you, you know. Yeah, people take you, the women take you, you know Um. So, with the team and training, are you up to date with your um donations? Do you need more donations? Are you still raising money?

Speaker 1: 27:21

I am always raising money because I think it's such an incredible organization and I would love, um, what happened to my dad to never happen to another human being. I know people I grew up with whose children are battling leukemia and lymphomas. So I I meet, I've met my goal, but I it's such an amazing organization that I'm I'm going to continue to pursue the fundraising because it, you know, I I have friends I grew up with whose kids have battled it and they're, like you know, run for my kid and that is like so motivating. So there's people I know who, in addition to my dad, that like I'm doing this for. So I am hoping to keep fundraising because it's important.

Speaker 2: 28:10

So Sarah runs a marathon. Sarah runs a marathon. She's going from 5K to marathon. Did I say zero?

Speaker 1: 28:21

No, it's zero to marathon. You're getting nice saying 5K you said you did a 5K. I was young and foolish and I hated it. Okay.

Speaker 2: 28:33

All right, zero to marathon. Sarah runs a marathon. I hated it. Okay, all right. Zero to marathon. Zero to marathon. Zero to marathon. Okay. So what do you hope to feel at the end of this marathon, this journey?

Speaker 1: 28:45

Oh, I might cry thinking about it. Like I, um, I hope my dad's proud he probably is like you're insane, but I knew you'd do it. Um, I, I hope that it shows friends who are watching. Like don't, don't, don't be afraid to try the ridiculous thing. Like bet on yourself, go all in um anything you know, uh, and I hope, um anything you know, uh, and I hope, I mean I hope that I continue it for myself. You know, right now it's it's, I'm, I'm, it's, it's a goal and it's um for a lot of people and um, but I hope that this is something I can. I want to do it when I'm like 75, like I want to be that chick, um, so, but yeah, oh, my God, I don't know, I, when I'm like 75.

Speaker 1: 29:34

Like I want to be that chick, so but yeah, oh, my God, I don't know, I think I'm going to be a hot mess. I better wear waterproof mascara. Well, I sweat like a beast Like a beast. So, yeah, it'll be waterproof mascara, but, and it'll be dark and you know the crowds will be gone. But I mean, I told my mom that means you can like get to the finish line. You know, if I finished on time, mom, you wouldn't be able to go anywhere near the finish line, but because it's going to be 10 o'clock at night, you'll be able to get right up there, run it with me, mom.

Speaker 2: 30:02

So well, we're hoping that it's not 10 o'clock at night, that's a long ass day, yeah that is a long ass day but, Sarah, I'm really proud of you and you know the mindset as you're learning through this journey is probably the critical part of this journey and to take on something like this is very brave. And I'm proud of you for taking this challenge on and not giving up. Because I was asking you the questions about when you were sidelined, you didn't give up. I mean, most people were like, yeah, fuck this, I can do this. I hate myself.

Speaker 1: 30:36

I'm like, no, no, I'll crawl, it's fine.

Speaker 2: 30:38

Yeah, you're like, I'm going to see what's going to happen, I'm going to see what's going on. I want to run so bad and you kept saying how much you wanted to run, so to think that this is someone who did not want to run a 5k, now excited to run a marathon. Okay, all right, sarah, thank you so much. We're going to put the links to your actually the link to to raise the funds on the show notes. And when is the marathon? What's the date? November 3rd date November 3rd, already in July, coming up, not too soon. 19 weeks, it's crazy. Well, I know you're going to be doing well and I know you're going to finish before 10 PM and we're all rooting for you. You're going to be amazing and thank you so much for coming on.

Speaker 2: 31:29

You know, I wanted to hear your story because I wanted other women who either were thinking about running or who are beginner runners to actually hear what goes on in the mindset of a beginner runner, and this is a great example. Like a lot of the things that you said are what a lot of people are thinking, obviously the fear, and then the can I keep up? I'm breathing crazy. Are they going to think I'm? You know, those are all the things that stop us from reaching the girls their goals. So if Sarah's doing it, you can do it for sure. So 100%, yes, absolutely. Well, let me, let me leave. Let's leave the listeners with this. What is one advice you would give to a woman that is listening to the podcast and either she's a beginner runner or she's thinking about it, but she's, she's, scared. What would you tell her? No one's looking at you.

Speaker 1: 32:28

No one's like. You know, I was so scared to run outside I avoided it. I do. I did it on the treadmill so much because, oh my God, I don't want people to see no one's lucky. Do what you got to do and if you again, you can start. You don't even need to do 30, 90. Right, if you can do 10, 60, whatever, who cares? You got to start somewhere. I mean, we're not trading the Olympics, right? Yeah, so let that go and just do it for yourself and do it for your own personal challenge. And I haven't found something like this where you can see it, maybe because you know I'm new, but you see such growth so quickly that it's so motivating that you're like like yesterday, I mean, I basically ran almost three miles Like that's crazy. So that's the growth of me to run 26. But let's see, like you know. So I would just say, just just do it. Do what you can be proud of it.

Speaker 2: 33:25

Yeah, don't worry about anybody else. Great advice, Sarah. Thank you so much and thank you for coming on and saying yes. Thank you for having me. Okay, until next time. Everyone Bye, thank you.