Ep 31: Environment vs Development

We need to look after our planet, it's the only one we have, but we humans keep breeding and humans need somewhere to live. How can we find a balance between the Enviroment and Development?

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Transcript

0 (3s):
Hey there, Ryno here from No Humble, Opinions the, Podcast where we talk to interesting people about interesting themes so that I've got a mate of mine lays in here. Who's a big fan of the environment, and I want to have a chat to him about How environment and development, and our society can all work together. And there's plenty of info on that. How are you? It is

1 (23s):
Very good. Thanks. Fine. Thanks very much for inviting me along. I appreciate that. It's an app.

0 (27s):
What a pleasure brother. You and I always have a chat or even we don't agree on everything, which is all part of the fun. So let's look at it. Can you give me a bit of background on you mate? Tell me, tell me why I invited you here. What sort of, you know, what sort of things are you passionate about? Let me know.

1 (42s):
It's a little bit. Thanks. Fine. Yeah, look, I'm, I'm really passionate about the Environment. I I've got three passions. My family I'm a partner and I we've got a lot. We've got a lot of grandkids between us. So we want to think about their future because my second passion is the Environment and my third passion is actually looking after people and helping people. Yep. And they all linked together really well from, from my own, from my own heart. It

0 (1m 5s):
Was not a bad sort of traffic to their main on that Monday.

1 (1m 8s):
Absolutely. Yeah. I'm pretty a pretty strong on it. It actually, you've probably seen what I've done. Have you seen a lot of the things I do? So I am very passionate.

0 (1m 14s):
We love to just, I don't want to cut off for her to offer, but the reason I'm on it, you on here is you've got something to say. You have an opinion, you are not frightened of, of letting people know what it is because you're strong in your beliefs. And I think that's a great thing. I am more of a, a gray area guy, as we've talked about it in the past. And the fact that I sort of do you see a few sides and things, but there's no reason they can't work together. And I really appreciate the fact that you've, you're happy to have your say and you put yourself out there. So thanks brother. But sorry to cut you off those three things. I did it

1 (1m 45s):
And you're right. So yeah, I've got an environmental background, environmental science background. I have a 25 to 30 years. I've got a communications background, environmental communication. So I've got a, a really good broad knowledge about environmental issues. So, and that's, that's probably really ground my passion because over that time, I've learned a lot about where earth is actually going and how important earth is how important our ecosystems are. Because without ecosystems that have been developed over millions and millions of years, we aware that this, this, this, this planet, or as it is actually in trouble,

0 (2m 20s):
But we got another backup one day of me.

1 (2m 22s):
No, we don't. We only had planet planet a is no planet B or plan B because we've got some real problems. You know, we've got a, we've got the ice caps melting, we've got a whole range of issues going on on the planet. And I suppose where I come from is I try and get the message out more and more, as much as we can, because the way it's all part of we are in a Neo liberalism society right now, we've been in this for quite awhile to explain the neo-liberalism neo-liberalism is basically where we are commercialization capitalism is the be all and end all last 200 years. We've, we've developed an overdeveloped this planet more than what's ever, ever happened to the planet in millions of years.

1 (3m 8s):
Okay. So over 200 years, we've pretty much we are destroying this planet and I'll, I'll explain why. Since a, in the last 50 years we've lost nearly 60% of animals on planet earth. That's because of human, a human consumer, a human consumption, human development, a whole range of other, other things. And that's, so that's near a liberalism where, where capitalism is, is freedom to actually go out to make money, which is fine. I don't have any problems about making money, but it's the way we do it. We're actually really riping the earth and not actually really appreciating that earth is actually our savior.

1 (3m 51s):
Yes.

0 (3m 51s):
And I look at, I do agree with You in that we have been raping youth and I get that. I put it if it's okay with you on marketing that a little bit more later on the reason the catalyst, I guess, for us getting together today was discussion that was going on on Facebook as usual. Where was the argument was over a fig tree. It was in a, a, an area that was, had, have been approved for development, much to some resonance discussed. And it was a big deal and everyone was jumping up and down about it. And the argument came down to a fig tree and how disgusting it was that this old fig tree had been, had been taken down. It, it was a beautiful trick. Incidentally. There is no denying net whatsoever.

0 (4m 31s):
And what, as I watched this unfold, I started again a questioning where does the environment and development mate and how they can work together. And what I mean is, this is interesting to say to people, jump up and throw rocks about the fact that a tree shouldn't be taken down or, or something, it shouldn't be developed, but we are continuing to breed as a species. And we are overtaking the planet and whether or not we can sit here and say, Oh, well, it shouldn't happen. Well, I don't see any way that that's going to stop. I'm not sure how that's going to be held back what it was of interest to me.

0 (5m 14s):
And it also sorry, the people who are whinging and moaning, or where did they live. And, and they're sitting in the living in their houses, which you're on sub developments, which I used to be pushy land, which we used to have ecosystems all over them. And they're yelling about how it's unreasonable or unfair a, the high-rise a situation, which was that site was on. And that was discussed a lot in that the council elections that Ron, I just think it's, it's better to go up then to go out, but I've got people that sit there and say, Oh, save the koalas. You can't develop. And then the same people are saying, you can't go up cause it will spoil my view and I'll just do it. I struggled with that, but it just, there's got to be a better way.

0 (5m 56s):
So look brother, talk to me. What are your thoughts? Tell

1 (5m 58s):
Me where I'm brought a room. Yeah, that was a really difficult on that one. I actually personally chose to stay out of the, the Woody point that, that actual particular site, the only, the only time when I got involved was when it got too late, but it was, it was from a perspective of this tree was, have had very important, a 150 or 200 year old tree. So that's heritage, heritage that's and that's actually part of an ecosystem. So there is why I got involved was because apparently approval was given the week before for the boat through the courts. So it's it's bird breeding season right now. And so that tree was being pulled down in the middle of breeding season when there were a whole range of bird life in that tree.

1 (6m 48s):
And this is part of what, what we were talking about. It's okay. You know, and I'm, I'm, I'm actually for development, but I'm back, I'm actually for development sustainably. Yep. And that's where we've actually got a really just step back and say, okay, Development, I'm not naive and saying, development's got to stop. I appreciate that things are going to go on, but we've got it. We've got to rethink how we're doing things because we are, it's a real tipping points. And that tree, even that was just one tree on a site that had been developed before. It was a beautiful tree, which is actually an ecosystem itself because it had BirdLife, which is actually part of our whole ecosystem. So for that to be cut down, I think during breeding season was, was pretty, pretty hard to, to take for a lot of people who are actually in the No.

1 (7m 39s):
Yeah, it's a private land. I get a laugh and you know, what's done is done, but I've talked to council and a few other people who are talking to council a bit about this as well. You know, we, we just can't let that happen again. You know, we've got koala habitat, we got a koala cartels that are really struggling. We see since June, this year, I think it's something like, I can't find the exact sets are the 40 or 70 koala's killed since June the shear on road. It's because of the development. So that way,

0 (8m 10s):
And why is it because the development just because we were going into other areas or is it,

1 (8m 13s):
And we'll see because we've cut their corridors. Okay. So koalas, I have been here for millions of years. So we, as, as humans, we are cutting that up. So koala is a natural habit. Their natural habitat is to actually go and find a mate in breeding season, which is right now as well. So, so they don't know that there's a development going on. So stop it. You know, don't cross this road. It's a, so it's a case of where I think we're just going to far, we actually humans, we've actually lost connection with nature and an understanding about what nature is about.

0 (8m 51s):
Oh, sorry. We did start with the consumerism that you were talking about earlier. I, that I, I repeat again. I said it earlier on that I think we have raped and pillaged this planet incredibly like it's, I'm a fan of Wilbur Smith books.

1 (9m 7s):
I love it. I just re I read

0 (9m 9s):
Them since I was a little kid and I used to make me cry, watch at least reading the Safari stuff. They talk about it where they slaughter 30, 40 elephants in a day. And I just don't understand that mentality. And I've talked before I had a guy out about shooting. I used to do a shoot for a dog food, and I used to shoot recreationally. And all these other bits of pieces are not for one second. Am I sitting here saying that I'm, you know, I've never done it. I have definitely.

1 (9m 36s):
And, and I've got to admit, I have as well. And when the, you can opt out on a farm, but now yeah.

0 (9m 42s):
And in your lab or change your mind. And in later years is a long title, which is fine, but it's seeing that raping of the planet in our hunting, in our killing, in our deforestation or some stuff, man, it makes me sad, but where can we, even in a small year, like the way we live in here, where can we get some middle ground? Because I found that that tree felt to me like a symbolism, that it was too late, I guess. And, and, and, and pointless. And I was frustrated with that. I, I worked with that Woody point action group is best to support, which is what it didn't go well butt about the fact that it it's going to be what it's going to be, because a lot is sit there and say that.

0 (10m 26s):
Now what's interesting is that the timing, which I did not realize with the bird breeding there, that could've been done, that would it be done a lot earlier? It hadn't been gone through the courts and being fought because the residents didn't want it to go up. Now, I don't think the residents were thinking about the Environment that much, that we're thinking about themselves. And that frustrates me because of people jumping up and saying, Oh, it's for the koalas. If you've never given a shit before, until someone wants to put a 26 40 story place next to your place. Well, I don't think it's about the koalas all that much. They're seems to be some plans around, in some of the larger developments I've seen her year to really engage with, with a plant life on the, on the buildings themselves, have them as a living garden to a degree there's one here in Rockcliff that I've seen plants for.

0 (11m 14s):
That has almost a wind tunnel. No, it wouldn't tell. It sounds bad, but an arrow going from Sutton street down through with a lot of garden area space and lots of stuff, but I'll get you to some plans for Ken. I don't know how that'll go for our wildlife, but it will certainly assist with insects and birds and other things that are our wildlife, obviously, but not the mammals are and what have you on it. But we got to find a way Whaleys where, whereas humans care about the environment when it's going to hurt us.

1 (11m 48s):
Yeah, that's right. You're right, man. Look, look, it's, I'm giving an example. You are totally 100%, right. We got COVID right now. So all pandemic that's actually making people actually shift it. People have shifted their views since early this year and have made some massive changes. I think, for example, about hygiene and health issues, which is great, you know, and that's, that's a really good thing. I think that we are doing this and I think Australia has a very lucky country that the way we are right now with when you see what's going on in Europe. Yeah. So we, we have a,

0 (12m 21s):
And a number of things that are starting, cause it bloody Alexa, U S Alexa at the moment and the bark. Well, so I'm glad to be

1 (12m 28s):
Absolutely same. Yeah. I don't know what's going to come out of that one. It's got to be scary for good. I can tell, you know, so, but anyway, yeah. So, so it's interesting. I've I've really looked closely at COVID and it's a, it's like a, it's a catastrophe. So people take action when this is a catastrophe. Yep. And it's like, so I really related very strongly to our planet. People will only understand and actually take action against climate change when it actually affects them personally, a hundred percent. So COVID is affected people personally or the directly or indirectly with families or sickness or whatever. And people have taken action double-wide because of it. Or they have had to take action or it's being forced on them.

1 (13m 9s):
Yep. And that's where climate change really is a major issue. If we don't keep our, our temperatures under 2%, by 2050, we've got some serious, serious problems. Now I've got to be, as I said, I've got a science background. I'm not a scientist myself, but I do have, I do have enough knowledge and enough respect for environmental scientists to understand that what they produce that, that the research they do is, is peer reviewed. So it's all legitimate science. And this is where I have a really struggle with capitalism where even the petroleum is in the petroleum industry is known since the sixties, that climate change is an issue.

1 (13m 53s):
Yeah. Look. So

0 (13m 55s):
What the problem is always, as far as I can see Environment, this is great until it cost them on money. And look, I get it. I've rented before on the show about how much is enough? Like how rich do you need to be? And I mean, I sit there and I watch, you know, bill Gates, for instance, I saw he is such a philanthropist, bullshit. I mean, it's like Chuck and a $20 note is the stuff he does. Cause he is just ridiculous. But how much is enough? I need to look at all these, you know, the fossil fuels being useful. Tom, I know I imagined is different, you know, opportunities to fuel vehicles. You say the electric ones now, which is really interesting how far they've come in a row.

0 (14m 36s):
You know what seems like a short period of time and it's probably not, but it's dollars and people every day in their homes being normal, going to work nine to five is their biggest concern is the economy. It's not the environment and what can we do about that?

1 (14m 54s):
Yup. And that you, yeah, look, you're spot on. Look at it. As I said before, you know, look, I, I totally get that. We can't stop coal fired power stations or, or a guest led recovery. Now it it's, it's, I I'm totally aware that, you know, we've got it, we've got a work together to make a change and, but we've got it. We've got a lot. We do have to make some serious changes very quickly. We could have had alternatives rather than a guest led recovery after the PA up to the COVID pandemic.

0 (15m 25s):
Yeah. I would think it was a great opportunity for change this pandemic. And I hope, I don't know if we can do it or not, but I thought we could do it like that.

1 (15m 32s):
That's the renewables to the Y to go. And we, we had, we have gotten the best solar opportunities in this country. We've got, we've got some really good wind opportunities and I cannot for the life of me understand why the federal government or sorry. I do know why, but you know, we, we should be looking more and smarter at renewables and get the technology going now rather than going down a guest led recovery, which is actually worse for the environment than coal.

0 (15m 59s):
And I'll tell you guys, I dunno about that. I don't know the details of that, but I have got a question for a second. I just want to jump in. If I can look, we've got a sponsor today, or I'm really grateful for crew legal up and keep a ring. They are injury specialists. Okay. They look after people that have had some dramas. We've had some people on our show that needed looking after. So if you've been in an accident, you had a full you've had a personal injury in any way, shape or form give Shane and the crew share with the crew crew, Shane crew at crew legal and his team, a yell up there and they look after you, but we are very grateful for them giving us the, the opportunity to be able to produce your show and do it every, every week. Has we do say thanks.

0 (16m 39s):
<inaudible> much appreciated moving on to our list. Sorry about that one. It's aye. Is the urge. There is the desire really there for people to do it because I'm not as good as it could be. Oh, look, I've got a stack of cans at the side of my house at the moment that I'm taking to the recycler scene. And I think I'm a bloody good lead for doing that. And I'll put my paper In in the yellow Ben and what have you. But it was interesting when I talked about that before we came in here to do this, you said, Mike, we are so far behind Europe. It's ridiculous. And also look at you thinking a bull. I think we do look good, but I don't know. So what who's, who's the best who is younger?

1 (17m 20s):
Yes. Europe. It's a supposed, it's a bit of a forced result for Europe. So it's a smaller area. So they've, they've got to actually be a lot more people. So they've actually forced to make some, some real changes in Europe is really way ahead of Australia and governments have actually done a lot since 2018. And I applaud the federal and state governments for, for doing the work they're doing about recycling. That the announcement that will be made in the last 12 months, it's really good. But to be honest or government to actually have been asleep for 10 years, even longer in this country and that, and this is all coming at all, the recycling changes that went out, announcements that we're seeing recently is because of 2018.

1 (18m 1s):
When China said no more, we're going to take any more of your go to your plastic,

0 (18m 5s):
The waist. So that was it. That was one of the tracks as a salesman.

1 (18m 9s):
Absolutely. Yeah. We're going to do something about it. Yeah. So

0 (18m 14s):
What will trying to do with it?

1 (18m 16s):
Well, that's a very good question. Well, there's different, different reports about they were actually recycling In and using it for certain things. But, but also that it was actually a line, but a lot of it was just being dumped, not a, not a China, but a Malaysia and other countries as well. Yep. So you're like that they're, there is so much we can do. For example, back in 2018, a Catholic partner, while we were in Europe, we walked the Camino way, the pilgrims way. And you could see so much that in Spain, there are five bins, one for, for plastics, one for paper on, for a glass, one for organics and one for, for waste.

1 (18m 57s):
So then that's everywhere. And it's a, it's a, it's a lot of European countries, whereas here, or we have as two bins. Hmm. And most, I would say probably 95%, but more of the Australian population have a clueless about, about what's recycled on what is it. And that's not being critical. It's just because we haven't had the, the, the system and the background and the infrastructure in place to actually get people, to make some serious change.

0 (19m 21s):
And just interested in my discussion last week, my guest last week was my, my miles, the Garbo. And we were talking about recycling cause he's been in it for a long time and his dad was in the us and it never used to be a thing. You just swearing in the one bin and it just went away and that was fine. But he was discussed. And the fact that he felt we should have a green bin, a green waste bin to utilize that as well. But so they split up that individually in other countries out there you've got glass and absolutely.

1 (19m 46s):
Yeah, it was, it, it was great to see a thought while this is also, and it's also in other countries as well. Canada is way ahead of us. So, you know, and I, I came back and I went, we were just, we really are so far behind changes or coming, sorry, changes are coming, but we have a 20, 25 national packaging standard, which, which means that, or packaging in Australia is this is a big changes coming, ah, or packaging in Australia. It has to be either a recyclable reusable or compostable <inaudible>. But in reality, it's a, it's a, it's a bit of green-washing because I've actually, I should have brought a long in China. I have actually seen the packaging that's coming out now the, after the changes that have been implemented and it's still plastic, but it says it's 30% recycled plastic or a fan to is down on the, down on the beach at one point.

1 (20m 36s):
So what it means is it's, it's it's greenwashing. So even it might look good that we're actually changing our national packaging policy by 20, 25. But people who throw it really don't care don't understand, or really don't want to know about it. So there's so with that, but we do have to make some big changes and it's about where we should have five bins all around the regular peninsula

0 (21m 1s):
Throughout Australia.

1 (21m 3s):
And that would probably the third bin. But the easiest bin that we can do is actually have composting up to 50% of household waste. And it's more in restaurants is compostable food waste. So it's actually it's food. That's actually going into landfill creating the thing guesses, which is actually ironically making our, our at temperatures worse. And so it's so we can, we can make some big changes really quite simply. And I've talked to council and I've got a compost program going on right now. It's been going for 12 months with three cafes here on the peninsula, which I really want to crank up again in 2021. And just in 12 weeks, we, we took a 9.2 ton of food waste.

1 (21m 50s):
We kept it at a landfill. Hmm. And that was, that was made into compost compost that comes back and goes with the people's gardens.

0 (21m 57s):
We are, the biggest problem as we discussed is with the Environment is money. Okay. People or money. Yeah. Surely it's got to be some money to be made in composting. Doesn't there. Why don't we, I mean, I know my mrs is wanting to play with the Holly pony Potts the other day. So we went and bought DIRTT, which I always find a museum when you go and buy dirt, it's a bit ironic. It's weird. Like here we are on the dirt buying dirt, but is there money in composting? Is there some way, cause once you can make, they are these people that they say that global warming is bullshit and it's not true. And then always bits and pieces. I'd tell you what, when there is a buck in it, this is all a sudden they are on board. So is their money in composting? Cause it is.

1 (22m 35s):
Yeah. I'll look, I would, yes. I'm sure there is a wall. There is one of my saying the, we have, we have a whole lot of recycling companies in Australia that are actually are making money out of it. 'cause that the compost food or what we call yield because it's got a second life. Yup. From the cafes here, it actually goes to Suez. So Sue is actually make compost out of it, which comes back to us in our landscape nurseries. Yeah. That's it, it's a recycling and waste company, Epic like a JJ Richards, all those sorts of things. So you know, that, that, so they all have their own little programs. So yes, there is money to be made out of, for sure. I would love to actually do something with it. So if I can

0 (23m 13s):
Get on, there is a business and the people who've

1 (23m 16s):
Said to me, why No monetizing what I'm doing, but I don't because I just love it because I just cared for the environment. And I care for my grandkids because I want them to actually have a future. But now,

0 (23m 25s):
Okay. I get that a lot as well. Like I'll do a tribe and a few other bits and pieces, the pieces that I'm want it. And I love what to do with that I think is that they are, people have said about monetizing things like it before, but it's very difficult when you're dealing with, I do with people. So it's not, it's not quite the same, but they get on and do some stuff. Right. You know, and, and make it a business out of like a sore. Om, is a local solicitor around here. And I'm hoping to speak to his brother, but he's, brother's got a business recycling and creating new recycling plastics down in this region somewhere. And he says that they've got to market for it already to go. And I'd just think that if the problem is people, same old, same old, it, I, you sit here and go, Oh, we've always done it this way.

0 (24m 9s):
And we've always been like, Oh, that's stupid. It's a bad way of thinking. What if, what if there's some opportunity B to B had to make a buck and you do the right thing as well. And we're sort of going away from what I want to talk about it is, but it is all, it's all wrapped up on the same thing, but yes, it is it, I don't see this point. In okay. I find it interesting with tires. For instance, tires are a pain in the ass that they built tough 'cause we needed to be tough and then we can't get rid of it. So there's a, there's a catch in there is always a bit. Now you see these companies that are building and creating these very useful materials out of old toys. So they're not lucky to get their second life out of him and that they might be around for hundreds of years. I'm not real sure on that, but yeah.

0 (24m 50s):
I mean, well, what are the opportunities there or people just not looking on the right direction or is it just slow or what is it?

1 (24m 56s):
And I think it's happening, not particularly in tires because the title, the tire recycling as it is a big, big,

0 (25m 4s):
Hmm. I know nothing about it by the way that we saw that a bit.

1 (25m 7s):
It's fine. There's a lot, there are a lot of really good entrepreneurs out there doing, doing some green things with yeah. And, and recycling and it, and it will come because the government, as I mentioned before, the government's, we're actually having a recycling, quite a lot of money putting into recycling programs so that we actually do do it inside of the country. But I suppose part of it is it's, it's okay to recycle. We recycle between 50 and 60% of what we produce roughly that's give or take, you can look at it a different ways, but that's a, it's a pretty good figure around 50 or 60% of the other 40% of that just goes to landfill or it goes to the environment.

1 (25m 50s):
So part of my messages that we've got to stop producing this stuff,

0 (25m 57s):
I have, we got to stop you just using so much things, so many things.

1 (26m 1s):
And also we got to think of other ways to do it. For example, hemp hemp is a natural.

0 (26m 5s):
Does that tell me more about him?

1 (26m 9s):
Yeah. You know, like we can use hemp to make so many things and it's a natural product. And if it gets thrown out, it will break down naturally and the environment and it just, it just gets me, it frustrates me that We, we are driven by industry that wants to continue making money from the community and not really caring about the end result. Yeah.

0 (26m 35s):
And I, I can get that a lot. They want to change their ways because we are already doing it this way. So bad luck. I'm hemp. For instance, for me, it has a bad name because of the drug connotations. Exactly. That is theirs. That's complete sheet. Oh, there's been a hemp ropes on boats since not a No 15 hundreds. It's just always been there doing it. And along with, and this is on the path to when we go down at the moment, but you know, cannabis treatment in medicine, I was like, it hasn't been looked at for so long. Cause it wasn't just thought it was all druggies.

2 (27m 8s):
And it's got that connotation, which is it. Unfortunately it's the same

0 (27m 12s):
Smart, it's stupid. And it's people being shortsighted and you know, thinking with their, certainly not with their heads, I'll tell you that. But yeah, I think it's interesting. Sorry, let me go back. Cause you said something that I really think it was cool before using continuously using a throwaway society, that we've become what our grandparents would never have this. They will never buy the way you feel. And he's all these phones are immigrating. We were in an office today cause Tim is on holiday. So we were doing this and I'm doing it all by myself too, stuff that sounds like crap. Sorry, doing my best. All right. So the policy is freeing in the background, but you're doing a good job. Thanks for that. It's interesting for me that like our parents never threw anything out there and that was built our own made their own.

0 (27m 53s):
And I know that you've got some, I think you've got some fingers in some, a repair shop kind of things or, you know, fix it shops, which are all coming up around the area. Cause I mean, if you can buy a microwave for 80 bucks, well you just get it and Chuck it out. Whereas whenever we used to do that, it's a weird thing. So less consumerism has got to be a good start. Doesn't it?

2 (28m 14s):
Absolutely. Yeah. Look, you know, Australians are probably ran about the biggest consumers in the world where we are prolific and Shannon's, we love our things. We love our items. We love all those sorts of things and it, but the problem is the reality is that yeah. As you're alluding to a lot of products aren't made to lost and that's again probably with the industry,

0 (28m 35s):
Well, it's been 10 to them, isn't it? It's right now. There's, there's a use by date on everything. So you buy it.

2 (28m 39s):
Absolutely. Yeah. I was, I was at a repair cafe, a workshop recently, and it's interesting things are changing because I come over to the state. I think it was Massachusetts in the Massachusets, in the U S where they've legislated that the makers of cars have to actually now allow our mechanics, that everyday mechanic to actually get access, to be able to fix the vehicle, instead of it, having to go back to a certain KR that actually a honey only unease and it works with, with the actual car manufacturer. So there are things coming. So this is the thing where so products are made not to last and that's, we've got it.

2 (29m 21s):
We've got a shift that we've got a change that, so, and you mentioned about the repair cafe, so yeah, we we've set up a repair cafe. We've actually got a, a, a trial run on Saturday here on the record peninsula, which I'm really excited about. And that's, it's all about those items that people may just throw out. It's actually about fixing them. Yep. And give them a second life, you know, there was so much stuff out there that we can actually just fix. Yeah. And your Mo you are talking about parents and grandparents here. I remember my mum. Yeah. And she would just reuse so many things and, and we need to change that. We've got seven bins at home. Our, our L and Philbin is about the size of probably two, two coffee cups.

2 (30m 2s):
Yep. Every week was, we were pretty much recycle everything cause there are ways to do it. And so there is a as communities, what is partly about is actually just educating and making people aware that there are ways to actually recycle then just to have it up to standard means that we have, we can actually go a lot further and we do now.

0 (30m 22s):
And then a house. I think I would look into the, the five big thing for sure. Just to spit up a little bit more, cause we're not going to freak out last week on 'em I'm sitting here, we got miles to ask the longstanding question for me is can you recycle pizza boxes? And he said, yes. And I said, thank God. Cause I mean, genuinely seeing that the resulting from the age is not as it wasn't sure. But now it's a, it's a weird thing I know. But anyway, but look, let me get back to some other bits of it is one of the biggest one that we would talk about development. It seems to be a big deal on the last couple years, particularly in our home, on the peninsula. Now I'm all for going up as opposed to going out.

0 (31m 4s):
I don't want suedes of Bush land destroyed for us to have our four or 500 square meters of suburbia. And how many I think is there scope to go up there, but firstly, am I wrong on thinking that that's the case? Secondly, can We if we go high-rise what, is there any particular environmental issues with going, going high-rise if we utilize green spaces well, in those areas, what is your thoughts on those issues? It's a, it's obviously a very touchy issue is a very touchy is what I'm asking it.

2 (31m 39s):
It's I, I personally believe we shouldn't go hi, and this is my own personal belief that it's going to be challenging because I think that the population of our council area is going to increase by something like 30% by 2040,

0 (31m 58s):
The more people hear then we've got them, our home state of Tasmania, as far as I'm aware, we're a big region more. Yeah.

2 (32m 4s):
Right, right. I think we're the third biggest region in the country somewhere else. So yeah, I'm against going up because I think it will destroy the landscape and the relationship that we have with the ocean. That's my personal belief.

0 (32m 21s):
Somebody on the gold coast to the other day, is that kind of, what are you thinking of?

2 (32m 24s):
What's a solution. I don't think there is a solution because 'cause, we can't, I don't believe we can go up the only ways to spread out and that's even worse.

0 (32m 36s):
Yeah. And that's exactly where I come from. So maybe need to go down.

2 (32m 40s):
I don't know. I've thought about these and that, and I'm actually quite serious.

0 (32m 45s):
You had to buy that because I know bugger all about it apart from a fact, I think it would be cool. Yeah. I've often thought why can't you do an upside down apartment building, but why can't you dig a hole that is six stories deep and have housing in that? I have a central area in it, which is green and is reasonably attractive as far as looking into someone else's home or I guess, and all that sort of bits and pieces there because our tent, one of the most, the most awesome buildings I've ever been in is Mona in Tasmania. That's a museum of old and new art. And it was a guy called down there called David Walsh. And he basically stepped into Tazzy. He's a busy boy, but he came back after making a fair bit of die and he wanted to create something like nothing in the world.

0 (33m 30s):
And it's a, it's an art gallery,

2 (33m 32s):
But it's a lot forward to seeing that the sheer

0 (33m 35s):
Nuts it's, I've been in a couple of times because it's my home state. But so we are, we built this thing is in a Montrose, which is a shift, a little Northern suburb and that's where we grew up. And so he bought this peninsula sort of a thing and dug into the sandstone. So the museum of a gallery is part of the living rock of this place. There's no views. Okay. It's all sandstone. It, it goes, I think it's three stories deep and it's a work of art. It's just phenomenal. And to see such a beautiful thing that you can't see from the outside world, you don't even know it's there a particularly, there's a few bits that are in the next year in what have you, but it's cut into there and I've thought plenty of times, why wouldn't that be a different way to do?

0 (34m 24s):
And things, is that a better way? And you've brought it up. So I took over a year, but what's, what's your thoughts on it?

2 (34m 29s):
Hooked me up. Well, yeah, I think there, there are opportunities to go down maybe, you know, and maybe it's not that I don't know. I'm not a, I'm not an expert in development, but just from my own perspective, maybe down is the wider guy. Yup. Well, definitely not up because I think it will destroy what the peninsula offers.

0 (34m 51s):
Hmm. I am, I am four up and I'm only up primarily because I don't want, I don't want to spread. And I like the fact that we all have the buildings, you can incorporate green space and some other bits and pieces. I think it's also interesting when someone says, Oh, those buildings look horrific. There's so many people that have never look up any way. Like no one would know how tall they may count or the building years or anything like that. That just doesn't even look up. But yeah, that's part of it from me. But what else should be interesting to see developments? I was just thinking that, I mean, could we build one down to the end of the ocean? I don't know. Is there all these options there because are we still looking at the same old, same old, because that's what we've always done. That's the way we've always done it.

0 (35m 32s):
Rono is one of the bureaucrats from the council told me once I have to sell it, caused him from growth from saying that just on, just on changing my way of thinking on stuff. But I don't know that this is the thing. And when you said before that you don't think there is a, you don't think there is a solution and Australia with that. Cause it's got to be something we've gotta be able to do something differently. Otherwise you're not going to be seen here in 20 years, you're going to look Haggard. Cause man, you're going to be so frustrated the fact that all those things in camel for You and I think there's opportunity there to do things differently, but absolutely. And what we, what we need to allow us to go to, I think he's on the development side of things is we need people that are anti development to get off their house a little bit and come up with solutions, come in with thoughts.

0 (36m 15s):
Like I find it interesting that someone that chucks rocks at a, a high rise development or, you know, that koalas losing their Bush land as they sit in their subdivided house on the block of land, that's been built by someone and, and there are a part of the problem, but they're yelling and screaming and I'm just saying, are you going to go and live in a tent or No well, okay. Your part of the issue is that what you got to be, you can always be a part of the problem or part of the solution as far as I can see.

2 (36m 39s):
I think it's it's yeah, you're right. You're totally right in what I was saying before, about how, you know, look, I'm not, I'm not anti development. It's about doing it together smart and doing it sustainable in the future. So because, because we are really, we do have some serious problems, for example, like bees, because we've cut down a whole lot of trees all over Australia, particularly in urbanized areas, bees a very important part of the ecosystem. So there is struggling. So, but there are, but there are solutions to this is that there is a really cool app where just a simple thing with bees where they actually, you can, you can actually start up your own little ecosystem for bees actually, so that they can actually roam closer to between residences.

2 (37m 28s):
So it's just a simple things like that. So we can actually make changes. That's only a small one, but

0 (37m 34s):
Let's get on to it. You've brought some good notes here and I'm, I I'm, I have the intention in the future to speak to some developers. One specializes in land development and one specializes in, you know, a high-rise stuff. So I'll, I'll, we'll discuss the same things. I'll discuss with you on that point in time. But Mike, you're a smart dude that knows, you know, a lot about what we are discussing. Tell it, tell us what we can do better. Let's have we got 20 minutes left, at least if having a chat, what is the stuff? What can we do? Yeah.

2 (38m 0s):
Yeah. It's a case of like, we were, we all have our own values. You have your values. I have my values. We talked about this before. Yep. So it's a case of, we all have intrinsic values and extrinsic values, my intrinsic values, the Environment your intrinsic value. It's the tribe. It's the people and helping them, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. So we have Eric's the extrinsic value have a developer is to develop an area. It makes money that's that the nuts and bolts of it.

0 (38m 33s):
And there are a part of society that is yes, because real estate, I just, there is a necessary evil. I know it was one for years, but yeah. So it's a case that I think it's a case

2 (38m 43s):
And where we have to sit down and actually work smarter together to actually get developments done more sustainably. Okay. And it could be like, you know, going down instead of going out because you know, what I hear and feel on the, on the peninsula is, is probably a, a grand swell against gallium <inaudible> yeah.

0 (39m 8s):
For the same part is that I think that's people that are already here and they've got their slice of the pie and that no one even wants to have any more pie. And that doesn't work to almost at the time. I just want, alright on that, on that thing. Sorry, I don't want to do that. Would you buy won? I guess that's a question, isn't it. But if someone dug a Pete in the ground and put housing in that, would you buy one a word? Yeah, I think I probably would. Absolutely not. It like it's a bit cooler. Yeah. It wouldn't be a winner that of work with no econ and you'd look groovy anyway. Sorry. So I think it's a case that we have to do.

2 (39m 40s):
Just going to start talking more about how we can actually make things more development, more sustainably and that's and I think it can be done. It's it's it, it would be a challenge, but just doing development for the sake of development, without thinking about the consequences for the future, I think is, is, is serious.

0 (40m 7s):
Well, my name is Erin is in a building on my end, not talk about Chuck and some plans on it because I think it looks pretty and that's fine. But the scenario is there with a better use of water there's areas there that with the KPI, like we just said about keeping things cool. But there's other ways to cool things apart from having an air con pumping the house on him. Yeah. And it's designed thinking on that. So, and look, I know enough to be dangerous and that's about it, but it's well, doesn't need to be a government lead or does it, or the private sector looking to do and things. But the thing is if the private sector do things and every day people have to pay because everything's got a cost. Yeah,

2 (40m 43s):
Exactly. Yeah. I mean, it's all about return on investment and yeah. And the cost factor. I get all that. So everybody's got to work together to make some changes because if we, if we continue down the path we are of developing for the sake of the Enviroment, there won't be any Environment around for migraine kids or there won't be any geog on and turtles in the Bay because yeah. It's challenging.

0 (41m 11s):
No, I don't disagree on it. It might look, I know your efforts I'm on the first time you came to a meeting with me, you had a handful of rubbish and that you'd said, I've picked this up just from, yeah. Just from walking from the car park. And I thought a lot about that and I thought, you know, what can you do on, I think one of the things I'm in the air, environmental situations is not new. What we've been about doing things better for years. And, and I, I hope that we are doing things better, even though there might be people doing it better than us. And I get that. But what happens mostly I think is the way to get people to change is a cultural change and asked to change individually and us to call each other out for the way things are, are done and to have it done differently.

0 (41m 55s):
I mean, with, with the restaurant businesses around here, is it hard to get, I mean, I'm saying it here, it could be any city anywhere we are not having a crack at our, our crew, but are they reluctant to do composting or is it just that there is not the service or is it just to do everything like, you know, I mean, I saw the other day, you know, still a plastic straws going out. What'd y'all think there's got to be a better way. Like we have shown that this year they are no good. So why don't we do it all? They're easy.

2 (42m 25s):
I think I've got to give her a good share out. I think two, our restaurants in our cafes, a lot of them made a lot of sustainable changes. Really good changes. It still are. So that's first thing, I think we've got to actually compliment businesses and what they are doing. Cool. That's good. There is some really good stuff going on, but there is a lot more we can do. So, and, and this is what I want to do. And last year I tried to get as many cafes as possible, getting involved with a compost truck. Yeah. Businesses, you know, run in different ways. So that basically what it comes down to, and some of them said, no, it's, it's just not gonna work for them because of the way they operate it in the, in the, in the back end on the back of the house.

2 (43m 8s):
And also if they have oyster shells, you know, they couldn't put on the shelves and the compost bins, that sort of thing.

0 (43m 15s):
And what else she goes about, what can you recycle them? Can you No? Cause it gets too hard. Yeah. I was going to say, you can only do it with them or you can yeah.

2 (43m 23s):
In this particular compost program that we've had, which has been really successful.

0 (43m 27s):
So you'd have to split them up, basically get rid of some parts and pieces.

2 (43m 31s):
So that was at the back of house stuff. It wasn't, it wasn't really a good thing to them to actually have to separate it because it was a time wasting thing, you know? And I get all that totally. So next year I really want to really push it hard because I'm fighting more options. For example, oyster shells. Now there is an option where we can actually, we can actually recycle oyster shells and, and there's a group called the fish and those are the groups that I've actually just got my hat delivered today. And these guys pretty cool having a brand up. So these guys, they are doing some really good things about it. It's actually helping fishing, sustainable fishing and Morton Bay. Yep.

2 (44m 10s):
So it's a, it's a really good project. So, so they're, they're looking for oyster shells that they actually will put through a cleaning process and, and I a process of drawing. So the venture they'll actually put them in cages and they'll put them back at adding to certain EP certain parts of the Bay and it will actually a whole new ecosystem again. And they'll get lots of fish coming around it, for example. Yeah. So it's a really good, it's a really good project is that these guys are doing is actually helping the fishing industry as well. We can do that now. Right.

0 (44m 46s):
Well, we wish everyone did stuff like we do and did stuff for free. Cause I thought it was cool. Okay. But people don't, and I've talked about that a few times already on this. Alright. Monetize. Yes. Okay. That this is a restaurant saying that they don't want to spin up. There are ways to shelves. 'cause it takes time. I'll tell you what if they are always two shows are worth something to them and they've got to keep the back out of it

2 (45m 5s):
Doing well. This is where, this is where we are now. I have only recently just found it a little bit. This is a great project. So I want to go back and talk to the restaurants and say, Hey, you know, we can do something about this to find out a lot. Let's have a ways to try and see how we can get around it.

0 (45m 19s):
It's really funny. I, you know, I drink too much B and I'd really like it. So I don't feel that bad about it, but yeah, exactly. But I've I tell you what, now that there's 10 cents to, can I collect them up and I put it a little bags and I take them around there on a job I'm often because it's kind of a bin chicken, but a little bit, anyone else's is mine. I make enough. I'm only is he doesn't have to worry about that day, but it's, it becomes worth something. The art, what I'm thinking about with the compost, and this is the shoot, the shit. But it's, if, if you get bright, if you've got 20 kilos of compostable material and it ends up being worth an amount two over a year or something like that, you will do it. If there's some value in your auto shield, you'll do it.

0 (46m 0s):
If you do those things. But it's interesting to me because time and money, the same thing, and that's, that's what people struggle with, I guess, Oh, I don't want to waste two minutes doing that. Well, if you're a two minutes worth a buck and a half, you probably do it. I don't know. It's just sadly, as humans, as capitalists, as you talked in an, in the start of this thing is we care more about our back pocket than we do a better planet, which is bizarre but insane. And if we can put some value on this and have people, it, it become a part of the, the, the money circle that goes on around that you want Shawnee, we can get something done on that.

2 (46m 36s):
Absolutely. Yes. It's M yeah. We can do some things. Cool.

0 (46m 42s):
Going to have to come and tell me what else we can do.

2 (46m 44s):
Ah, wow. While we were doing lots of things and what are the people doing? Cool. You know what, I'm a bet on the coal mine, mr. Litter, which is the rubbish. So I have heard this recently, somebody said, Oh, mr. Rubbishy, or no,

0 (46m 59s):
You should've talked to the malls. Gabbi mate. And it would be an interesting, you're going to be picking up the little stuff. He does the big stuff. So by the way, he didn't give us a good tip the other day, he said, don't ever put the beans out of a beanbags in the bin. Cause every time you tip them over there, just go over where it says a tip to the end players. Don't, it's a blizzard, a cool man, but it's not good. It's not good. There's not going to wrap it up soon if you like, but is there any other tips or thoughts you want to know? Is it what's what's or where can people find you, your brother, if you've got to a or anything,

2 (47m 30s):
Or would you still have a community group called the pristine peninsula? Yep. But two and a half years ago, jump online com and say, good. I we've got a really good community. Everybody likes to learn and, and listen and actually help each other. So it's a, it's a, it's a really good site. And also we have just started up a repair cafe, which is the repair cafe, a tent in circle. The thing to do

0 (47m 56s):
Lemington drive. I believe that it would be in the cliffs,

2 (47m 59s):
Check that out. So we're going to do that once a month. We're going to really kick that off early next year officially. So we've just got to try a running the Sunday just to get it right. First. I want to add the bugs and 'em, and then we'll, hopefully we'll will be prepared, repairing a whole lot of things and keeping them at a landfill

0 (48m 15s):
Derby. Right? Well, when you get a chance, if you get a page up for the repair cafe, if we haven't got one already, it's a good throw it to me. I'll put that on my No Humble Opinions there. Anyone can have a check of you and, and look, start utilizing it and get in there and have a crack. Cause like I said, I mean, we can do better on this, so it might not appreciate your time, Liz. Thanks each brother. A big shout out again to crew legal, thanks for helping us out every week. Cause this, as I've been talking about everything's money in the world and this costs money to do this. So thanks tax guys next week. I don't know who I've gone on, to be honest with you, but I've speaking to, I think I'm pretty sure. And speaking to a guy, a mate of mine whose doing a project called the story and he's interviewing war veterans a and B it a 10 minutes with a chat or an hour's worth of chat for people.

0 (48m 59s):
Then unfortunately a leaving is because of age and there are stories of being recorded for history. And I think it's a very cool thing. So I would catch that with Jeff later on, but guys, thanks stacks. Thanks Liz. Appreciate it, mate. I'll catch you next week on No Humble Opinions.