✨ Medical Astrology, Human Design & Nervous System Regulation with Dr Divya Divine

In this episode, we dive deep into the intersection of business, spirituality, and personal health with our guest Dr Divya Dwarak. She share's her journey of overcoming chronic health issues and finding solace in human design, astrology, and nervous system work. Here’s a breakdown of what you can expect:

Highlights:

• The eye-opening moment when traditional medical answers weren’t enough, leading to the exploration of alternative systems.
• The importance of understanding your unique design and planetary influences on your health.
• The transformative power of community and collective healing.
• Practical tips for recognizing and managing stress based on your human design and astrological chart.

Questions Answered:

• What is medical astrology and how is it used?
• How can human design help in understanding and managing stress?
• What are the benefits of combining different healing modalities?

Key Points:

1. Adverse Childhood Experiences and Health:
   • Discussion on how 20% of adverse childhood experiences contribute to chronic health issues.
   • The impact of accumulated stress on the nervous system.
2. Discovery and Study:
   • How the guest found human design, astrology, and nervous system work as tools for healing.
   • Emphasis on the importance of community and support in the healing journey.
3. Medical Astrology:
   • Explanation of medical astrology and its historical significance.
   • How medical astrology helps understand physical and emotional health.
4. Human Design:
   • Introduction to human design and its relevance to understanding one’s energy.
   • Explanation of different energy types: Generators, Manifesting Generators, Manifestors, Projectors, and Reflectors.
   • Insights on how human design helps manage stress and improve life satisfaction.
5. Nervous System Work:
   • The role of the nervous system in integrating knowledge and healing.
   • Techniques for reducing stress and achieving coherence in the mind, body, and soul.
6. Integration of Systems:
   • The importance of combining medical astrology, human design, and nervous system work for holistic health.
   • Personalized approaches to health and well-being using these systems.
7. Practical Applications:
   • How to apply these concepts to daily life for better health and productivity.
   • Examples of how different energy types can manage their unique challenges.

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Transcript

Divya: 0:05

I feel like these systems, medical astrology and human design gives us a permission to reframe our relationship to our body and to allow our body to lead instead of the mind's voice.

Stacey: 0:36

Welcome everybody to this episode of trusting the universe and shit. We have a very special guest with us today and I'm going to introduce you to her. Our guest is our very good friend Divya. So Divya is a former dentist, a PhD researcher, turned visionary and a very talented nervous system coach. So she works with visionaries, established CEOs, health professionals to prevent burnout, empower them to rise to their true potential by focusing on their ability to rebirth, transform in each moment. By attuning to the seasons of life, she uses a unique framework that combines the knowledge of medical astrology, human design, of course, nervous system regulation, and soul energetics to help her clients reclaim their vitality and soul's purpose. So welcome, beautiful Divya to the show.

Divya: 1:33

Thank you so much, Stacey. I'm so happy to be here with you and Anae and Yeah, so I'm so, so excited because I feel like it's been a long time coming and I'm just so excited to see where we're going to go with this. All the things that we want to talk about today.

Stacey: 1:51

Yes. We're so excited.

Ané: 1:53

I love this. And just to give you guys a bit of a rundown of how we know the gorgeous Divya. We met at a retreat, which is so fab. And we, yeah, it just clicked instantly. It felt like soul family instantly. I don't know, Stace, if you knew Div beforehand or did you also meet her there? I don't. Yeah. Same thing. Yeah. And at the retreat. It was such a fun retreat. We definitely had some funny, wacky spirits. I don't know if you guys remember the wacky spirits that we had. We definitely had an old man just chilling with us at nighttime. And our gorgeous friend, Gina, like we speak about it all the time and it's yeah, it was just. Love at first sight, really. And now we're doing this. So I'm really, really happy to do this with you guys.

Divya: 2:43

Yeah, it was definitely an unforgettable experience for us, but cannot believe it was two years ago now that we met and how much we have grown in our own individual cells and our journeys and our. True potential as well. So it's, it's just yeah. Magnificent to see the quantum leaps as well that we've all experienced.

Stacey: 3:07

So many quantum leaps and it's probably something that you help people with so much, they don't even realize that they're quantum leaping. Like when you're working with people, do people really know what they're getting into when they're working with you? What kinds of transformation they're going to have when they come out the other side?

Divya: 3:29

Very hard to put into words, right? So it's just, I've tried the whole marketing route to actually like put the words and like, have like a sales page and template and, exactly nail it on the pain point and explain what transformation I provide for them. But I just cannot like, it's every single time. It's just, It's just so unique and it's so unique to the person that I'm like being of service to as well. But I guess it's just such a combined experiential wisdom, knowledge, and learning from the other as well. It's not just like my work, but it's also using the knowledge and my intuitive capacity to co create with their soul's potential, right? So it's like, and that kind of transformation is just. always drops me down to my knees, like floods my eyes with tears. And just, yeah, shakes me to my core. It's like, it's like that good shiver that you have after an exciting news and it's just, yeah, it's, it's so. nourishing and expansive and deeply humbling for me to see my clients and the people that I've had an opportunity to work with. And they keep coming back to referring, even if it's one reading that they've had with me or whatever, right? It's like they, they just have such ripple effects because there's something that's awakened through our interaction. And I feel this happens with everybody, but I feel we each tap into a unique. Potential like a unique cellular frequency into a person's body and awaken that potential through them. Right. So that's why we all have different placements in our astrology chart. We all have like different aspects in our human design chart. Like no one person is the same and like you and I might be teaching the same subject, but the way in which we teach it is so unique to our own individual experience. And I feel like. That's the, the, the transformation that happens. Right. It's like, it's the journey that I have had as an immigrant and, as a single child, as someone who was so ingrained in the Hindu mythology to finding my own essence of spirituality and, having gone through like debilitating health issues, which I thought was like the end of my life, like all of those Contributed to what I create as an experience and as a space holding capacity for my clients. So it's just never just one thing. And I, and I don't wish to be known for like that one thing as well. Like in this season, this is who I am. In another season, I used to be a dentist and, you know, that's all I did. I looked at teeth all day, every day. And and then on the season, I was just. counting pollen and like doing pollen information and health promotion and advocacy and policy. So like it's changed over a period of time as well for me. It's like, I feel like no one part of, of mine was connected, but now when I look at it, it always had to get me up until this point. So, you know, it was such a beautiful segue to get to this point. Yeah.

Stacey: 6:52

Such a huge jump you did from going to looking at teeth every day to the work that you do now, such deep soul work, such transformative work. And can you tell us a little bit about how you started to find these modalities and what sort of led you there and tell us a little bit about why you decided to start learning these modalities.

Divya: 7:15

Hmm. I think that's such a beautiful question. I guess there's always this part of me that, is this curious little kid from right from when I was young. I just wanted to know more, right? Like it's just the Gemini rising in me. It's like, give me more. And who is going to be that person who's going to give me more. Right. So it's just like, who can I sit with and have like an in depth conversation about any thing in life. And, but I was not, You know, fully getting that from the institutions that I was put in and, whether it's school or like my university, it was very boxed in. Right. Like you're supposed to learn the set principles, set subjects, and you get through it, you get a degree, you get a paper. And you do that job. But my Aquarius Moon and my Saturn in Aquarius in the Ninth House is like, no, we're going to go in the complete opposite direction. We're going to do the unconventional and we're going to take crazy risks and we have nothing to explain to anyone. And, and I think I just went for it. Like, even when people didn't understand what it was, I just, in that drop of hat, like when I was doing dentistry, You know, I love my patients. I love doing what I was doing and I was pretty good at it, but there was just no satisfaction. There was no, like the, I kind of ticked all the metrics of success, the, the societal metrics, I should say, but it was, Not something in my heart was just saying, this is not it. There's something more. And that's when in a whim, I just said, I'm going to go abroad. Like I'm going to move to another country and figure it out on my own. And I moved to a country that I've never been to before. Didn't know a single soul. Yeah, and I just applied and I moved and had to figure it all out on my own, you know, it was brutal at the beginning, but it was like the best kind of shock ever now looking back, but I probably would have prepped a little bit before coming in, but now, I think all of that, like, I just jumped from, One field to another field without even thinking. And that opened doors to the, the whole PhD, which was another accidental manifestation. And I signed up to it with a need, need to like, need to prove something to the world again, but I didn't know that I didn't have anything to prove at that point, but there was still that unconscious success metric that I needed to, take in my, in my head. And while I was doing that PhD was when I was getting so burnt out. And I was having severe panic attacks to the point where one time I thought I was really having a heart attack and ended up in the hospital and. Yeah, like all of that leading up, I had a really bad breakup and, you know, I thought this was it, but, and then I had like a huge friendship breakup as well. Like, and this was not like one person, but it was like almost like 20 people that I had to cull from my life. And so it was like, I was left bare naked after all of those experiences. And then the pandemic hit and I, I feel like that's when I had the time to slow down and find these parts of myself that it was like really needing the attention. So in 2018, I started looking for, to work with like a nervous system somatic practitioner and That really helped a little bit, but then I was like, Oh yeah, one or two sessions is fine. I won't need more. I'll figure it out on my own again. Right. The same attitude. I'll figure it out on my own. The hyper independent person in me was just needing to do it on our own. And then after that, I was like yeah, I think I'll just like, just wing it. I'm fine. I've had two sessions and I'll just like go on with life. But. It just didn't go that way. I started having these health issues where I had prolonged menstrual bleeding for months and months and months. And every time the doctors would just say that, Oh, we just need to get you on this thing, but nobody would go down to get me to the root cause of it. And after a point I went to like multiple doctors and everyone said, just, if you're not planning to have a child, just get rid of the organ. And I think that really shook me to the core. And I remember walking out of a doctor's clinic almost like not yelling at them, but just like giving them a piece of my mind that, if they can't help me find a solution, that they shouldn't talk to me this way or suggest things this way without knowing where I want to take my future. And I think that was like the biggest blow for me. I grew up in a very domestically abusive childhood house. Not to me directly, but witnessing a lot of that. And. lot in the survival energy you know, struggling to find like resources for daily bread and butter. So all of those things which we call like ACE, right? Like adverse childhood experiences, 20 percent of your adverse childhood experiences lead to your chronic health diseases today. So the accumulation and the allostatic load of my nervous system was At the, at the top when things started crumbling and the world started crumbling, I was crumbling at the same time. So that's when I found human design and astrology and nervous system work. And I was like, I think I need to study these systems in order to have more coherence with my own body and to be able to receive help from others as well, that I don't need to do it all on my own. That I can make the investment and do it with the community and do it with another person and really take this journey as a whole, right? Like not on my own, but as a whole. And it took so many years, it took so many years and I'm like still coming out of that, like, those patterns and I can catch myself now way sooner. But it wasn't the case. Like I didn't have anyone to reference to or anything. And it was I would say medical astrology and human design was like the eye opener for me when I couldn't find those answers with the regular medical system. I could actually figure out why my progesterone levels were dropping. I could figure out like, why I was, Feeling the way I was feeling why I was getting like way more depressed in certain seasons. And what should I do to like combat that and learning that I was a projector. You know, I was always in the survival energy and amplifying frustrated, sacral energy that you need to do more in order to be seen. And I fell back on that energy of, being who I am and not in the doing and then slowly letting go of, of my connection towards that survival energy that I was amplifying, which was not at all healthy. I started being in communion with people and going to retreats and connecting with people whose sacral energy felt nourishing for me, like it felt almost like life giving. And I think, yeah, that's, that's pretty much the story, right? Like it's just made me, I found this beautiful modality called energy and soul medicine, which I studied for a year. And like, I did so much study on the nervous system as well through like different teachers and all of that gave me. like the answers to the big puzzle that it's not one without the other. It's like the coherence of all these systems together, the mind, body and the soul, which is the answer as an individual and in communion with others. And so that me recognizing my own self and me being able to receive life from others is, has activated that potential to give life to others or speak life into people as well.

Ané: 15:10

Oh my God, so much, so much to unpack here. It's so beautiful. I always, I find that, you know, what, like people who are like alchemists, which you are, it's like, you really had to go through a full break. Down to get to a breakthrough is what is what it seems like and your journey is just so unfolding and so enlightened at the same time, it's just beautiful. But I would love to ask, like, with medical astrology and human design, we haven't really spoken about this with our audience and. As an expert that you are, or like that you have learned in learning. Could you give us a little bit of like an explanation of what that is and how you use this for yourself and with clients as well, just to, write that definition first before we unpack more into this.

Divya: 16:03

Definitely. I'd love to. medical astrology, interestingly has been around for like many, many years. Like I would say like from like I think somewhere in the 1600s I don't know the exact year. But. it was such an integral part of the medical community on the whole people actually had to complete a university level degree in medical astrology in order to be qualified as physicians back in the day. And it was an essential pre degree prior to your medical degree. Like you needed to have the knowledge of the planets. You needed to understand how each planet influenced the parts of our body. And in human design, this is where like the whole synchronization happens with the different systems as well. So we are. Every single day we receive our body is like a cosmic channel, right? And each and every planet is like a cosmic channel that sends these beautiful information codes that called neutrinos that passes through our bodies. And at the time that we were born. They, there was specific, obviously planets in specific position, and that's like the cosmic channel of information that was passing through our body, which became our soul's blueprint, right? So and in human design, you also look at it like from the Prior to like, before you were born, like 88 days before you were born, when you were still in your mother's womb, which forms like the unconscious design of your blueprint. That's when that's like basically what you lean back on, right? Like it's like the unconscious side of your design, which was formed based on the planet's position 88 days before your birth. So All of this information and medical astrology, we have all the planets and each of these planets have their own function, right? So they govern like different parts of our body essentially. So the sun contributes like to the vitality of our being. Like it's the vital life force. And it's the, it's the part of our body that, you know, Basically activates our cellular DNA. So, depending on what sun sign you are that will like activate accordingly. Right. So in different seasons we have like our solar Britain. So we have like that sort of an initiation through every birthday. We are receiving like a new code of the sun as well. And our moon is like our internal environment. It's like. Our internal rhythm, our mucous membranes, our fluids, our blood basically like the emotional undercurrent of our internal environment and it's governed by a moon sign. And our rising sign is basically our physical body and how we cope with stress right? So it's like, it tells us the essentials of how our physical body wants to be supported and how. You know, we tend to cope with stress. So, I can just take, what's your rising sign, Ani? Libra. Libra rising, right? So as someone with Libra rising, you have so much of energy that you want to harmonize within yourself and with others as well, right? So there's, there's going to be that time where you're not going to know when it's going to be too much, right. And when you have taken in other people's energy and like, when to say no. So setting boundaries is. boundaries are going to be like the way you take radical responsibility to how you cope with your stress. Right. So I am, what's yours Stacey? Aries. Aries Rising. So Aries Rising is head on, like, bum up and it's just like, you know, go, go, go. That kind of an energy where it's ruled by Mars. So again, it's going to be Mars governs our head, our face as well as our adrenal glands, right? So there's like all of that energy that's like coming up to the headache, the blood rushing through the head. So it's about also learning to cool down. Right? Like it's not about channeling all the energy to the head and knowing when to bring that blood flow back into the rest of the body. And you know, leaning back and cooling down and doing things that like balances that energy as well. So there's different ways that we can like look at it, but these are obviously the sun moon rising, even if that's the most important thing that you can take from it. Like that's like, really helps us like revitalize our body essentially. And it forms like the crux of our health. And then obviously there's the Venus sign, which I recently did a post on and our Venus health is like so much more connected to how we come back into balance, right? So whenever we go off balance, like Jupiter and Venus are the two planets that basically bring us back into Our coherence in a way. So when we support our bodies with those Venusian rituals, we're going to create the, you know, cultivate that rhythm as well to come back into that sector. So it's almost like, how can we utilize and co create with these planets at the same time? And also know what aspects they're making, right? So we all have come with like specific workings in our bodies. So there are, there are times when. Our body really is like, all right, this is like the circuitry inside. This is how everything is functioning. You know, it's almost like you want to look into like a computer, like a CPU, like there's all of these workings in the nervous system and mercury rules are a nervous system. So like, They all work in coherence with each other. So one or the other is imbalanced. And if they're making it difficult aspect, we want to be able to use our sun, moon and rising, or even those aspects to balance it off, right? So over a period of time. These planets basically teach us where we are overcompensating our body's capacity, right? Like where are we not working in its actual rhythm and pushing ourselves beyond our capacity. So when our health goes off that's like a huge checkpoint, right? Like our health, I feel like anyone who goes through like health issues, it's like the biggest awakening to come back into that true self. So. When people come to me for readings, I'm like, actually, your soul wanted to be here. So this is perfect timing. Like you're so ready for deep change because I'm excited for you. I'm excited for where you're going and what's going to come into your life because this is, you're going to leave and you're not even going to recognize where you came from and all of this. Health stuff, because we always tend to associate our health stuff connected to struggle, right? So, but our body never looks at it as struggle. Imagine our body trying to communicate, Oh, you're going to sleep. Oh my God. I'm going to struggle now to go to sleep. I have to do all of these functionings at night for you and make sure you're producing all your hormones and make sure you wake up in the morning and not fall asleep and conk off. Right? So it's like doing all of this work, but it never looks at it as struggle. Okay. But our human mind are not self mind, which we call in human design, perceives it as struggle, right? So it's about really reframing. I feel like these systems, medical astrology and human design gives us a permission to reframe our relationship to our body and to allow our body to lead instead of the mind's voice. So Yeah, I hope I've like covered a little bit about that, but, I guess like as a human design, there's like multiple different energy types as well. So we have the generators, we have the manifesting generators, we have the OG manifestors. Stacy. And then we also have our projectors. They're fairly new. They only were discovered in 1781. And then we also have our reflectors, which contribute to the 1%. So there's obviously the energy types and the non-energy types, and we all work in coherence with that. It's not that the non-energy types, projectors, manifestors, and reflectors don't have energy. It's just that, if we have like motor centers in our body, we will have. Some energy to use from that. But most of the times we work off borrowed energy, right? So borrowed energy. So that's why our environment plays such a huge role as well. Who we surround ourselves with, who's our friends, who's in our network, who are we talking to on a day to day basis? They all influence our health. So again, this system gives us that perspective again, to see where do we actually have. the capacity for the other and where do we not, right? Like, where do we need to pull back into being our own space and in our own aura?

Stacey: 24:42

Amazing. I have a question about how the nervous system regulation connects to the human design and the medical human design world. So when you're working with someone, how do you recommend that they, is that directly connected depending on their human design, the specific. Exercises that you will give them? Or are nervous system regulations, can they be used for anybody?

Divya: 25:11

Yeah, you know, nervous system regulation on the whole can be used for anyone even see even if someone like never ever accesses their soul's blueprint, they never know their astrology, they never know their human design, like we can still give them nervous system tools to come back into a level, a level of centeredness and you know, to make them feel safe in their own bodies. But the beauty of intersecting with medical astrology and human design is that we can create more unique frameworks, right? So we can instead of really, in, in like talk therapy, we're only like dealing with like the mind and the frameworks of the mind and the mindset and the strategies. We're just keeping it at like that level, but we're not able to really go into Intricacies of the body's system in itself. And that takes longer. So human design and medical astrology actually gives us like a deeper gateway to look at the different systems that, that are there within our body. Right. So each of the energy centers in the human design corresponds to like certain organs as well. And. Each of the medical astrology houses corresponds to certain organs and functions as well. So, you know, a house in your medical astrology and the sign. So the sign is where it it's happening, like the anatomical structure and the house is where it's being impacted by it, right? Like, so the flavor of energy that's like coming in and it's like coming through that house. So. when we are able to use these two systems from a nervous system perspective, what I am trying to achieve with my clients is to reduce that load that's there in their bodies, right? So I'm using these two systems as a gateway to understand and create a very unique framework to them rather than give, giving them a routine practice, right? So of course, a breathwork is going to help them. Of course, like, you know, going on a retreat or a meditation is going to help them. But it's not going to target those specific areas that they want to work with. Say if I'm working with a sacral being, right? Like a sacral energy type, a generator and a manifesting generator. I am going to, like, look at their chart to see how they are utilizing their life force at the moment. Are the activities that they're doing in their life, whether that's their work, whether that's their day to day routines. corresponding to a level of satisfaction to them, right? Like, are they experiencing a certain level of joy, right? Like, or are they consistently experiencing frustration? Right. So again, from there, like, why are they experiencing that frustration? Right. So looking at the gates in their sacral center and looking to see what are the open or the undefined centers, like where are they picking up other people's energy and where are they not creating boundaries where they feel they're not able to say no. Right. So as someone with a defined sacral, but with an undefined root, this person is, someone's going to constantly want to meet deadlines, right? Like they could, they are. Not going to know how to handle that root pressure that's incoming, right? So there's going to be like, Oh my God, I'm going to run late. I need to get these things done. And like, it's like having too many things on their to do list, but at the same time, they feel like they need to constantly handle that pressure, which fries that adrenal system and then impacts their, their essence of experiencing that sacral joy and satisfaction. Like, even if they complete that thing, they're Am I satisfied? Probably not, right? Like they're so rushed into that process to complete that they've forgotten to live in a momentary basis to connect to their body in a way that feels coherent to them, right? So that's where I use these two systems to give me the insight of how I can support their bodies in a unique way, right? So it might be different for you and it might be different for someone else. So. So much of what these systems also give is like at the moment in the industry, there's like so much information, right? So we're receiving a lot of information. And there's really so much that we can do with like information as well. But nervous system work is the integration. It's the foundation. Which basically allows us to integrate this knowledge, right? Like you can read all the posts you want, you can read, what your Venus sign is doing and what your, this gate is doing and everything. But if you don't know how to integrate it into the. the crux of your body, which is like your nervous system and actually your nerve impulses start communicating to your body that this is how we operate. Let's, let's, let's lean back on that. And you've been operating all this while this way, and you start to build that capacity to recognize the pattern and stop and catch yourself and come back into your authority. That's the game changer there, right? So I feel that's where my work is very different to a lot of other people's work as well. Because it's not that we can't come out of our health struggles. Like, yes, we experienced debilitating and acute illnesses and traumatic experiences, but we can observe the The thing for what it is, whatever has unfolded in our lives, and then we can step back to see the story to see how our body wants to be taken care of based on what's unfolding. Right. So I feel like that we can't have that sort of that outer lens or that bigger picture lens or that observer lens. If we are too caught up in the story so, you know, with nervous system work we'll definitely see how we can help the body surrender more, right? Like how we can move past these illusions of safety where we're not like trying to formulate the answer. Instead of like, instead, instead we're leaning back on how, what's the body communicating to us in this moment, right? Like, how are we going to, like, what feels, what level feels doable for the body in this moment? Because it's all going to, our physiological systems operate at like varying degrees as well. Like what one individual is able to cope will not be the same for another individual because all of our allostatic load that we call, which is basically the cumulative burden of our. Chronic stress differs from like one person to another person, you know, so that wear and tear that accumulates in our body from chronic and traumatic stress takes a unique approach of regulation, right? Like we, we, Need to understand what our body perceives as stress and threat. So that we don't return back to that same baseline that we were once where in, because when we can, when we end up getting stuck in that state, we can either go into that hyper arousal or hyper arousal, and we're either like stuck on or like stuck off. Right. So you either like overly anxious or emotionally reactive or hyper vigilant or like having racing thoughts and overthinking and that fight or flight You're stuck in like, all right, no, I'll just go home and I'll just just I'll just watch Netflix, I'll just like, you're just disassociating and like procrastinating and withdrawing from your own body. So it's about catching those moments when that happens. And also knowing that this is like not a system, none of these practices are like quick fixes. Right. We live in a world with such instant gratification. But we have tormented our bodies with, so many things and we've treated it like trash. And now we ex expect the body to instantly gratify us with like, ah, switch on tomorrow, we're perfectly fine. Like, no, that's not gonna happen. Right? So it's it all, I wouldn't say it almost take the same time of the trauma. But it takes the same awareness to reframe that trauma, right? So the more the mind realizes that, Oh God, she has realized that the body is the leader of the board and she has realized who the king of the jungle is, then the mind is going to get so unique with the way in which it's going to come up with the stories to try to come and attack you. Right. To take that charge. So, yeah, it's like, learning to take that foot off the pedal and, not expecting quick fixes because like, yeah, okay, we can do a quick fix method. But is that going to be sustainable? Like when something, when a similar situation happens? Is the quick fix going to be the one that's going to come and, help you ease into that situation or, or what, right? So it's about really allowing ourselves to attune to the reality and building capacity, right? So that our dysregulated nervous system, Is finding an opportunity to connect to the wisdom of the body, we have neglected and dismissed our bodies for way too long. So it's about letting go of that, the tendency of the survival mind to control the process because it's like going to keep, getting stuck in that pattern of I need to do I need to like rationalize the process, which is like completely counterintuitive. Right, to the whole process of how the body works and that's going to create more setbacks, right? So Yeah, it's about really cultivating those embodied resources as well. Like, what do we do when we feel overwhelmed and intense? Right. Like, like healing is not a linear process. It is such you know, it's like, so there's so much zigzag that's going to happen and our system is going to go back and forth between the old and the new as well, but it's about consistently meeting the body with like, That new realm of possibility, that new moment of attunement and stability and ease, right? Like holding the truth of what was and what is and what we are becoming. It's all a part of the process. And that's why it's, there's that complexity of our body as well, because it's this so many things that we are consistently interacting with as well in the form of like There's a range of our interoception, like the weather inside of our body. And how our internal weather communicates with the external, right? So all of that contribute to how we manage our triggers like effectively as well. So this is why as women as well, we have not had the capacity to stop and to be and to just honor the waves and the rhythms of our body. Right, like we've had to like overdue in so many spaces and especially in that nurturing and now also picking up like the provider role and really like stepping beyond our capacity and collapsing our own internal resources, which is. It's not only making our nervous system very vulnerable, but it's also becoming a mechanism with which we manage our triggers, right? So, and it's just not sustainable for us to, move, move along in this path anymore because our, then our recovery as a species is going to be very poor and we are not going to be able to have the level of clarity and the coherence to be. Someone that can be a space holder for ourselves and for the collective, right? Like we're going to deal with people who are basically walking with incoherent bodies, incoherent souls, and that incoherent bodies and are feeling so lost, but are just doing things to like. survive. So they're like lack, they're lacking that essence to connect to their soul's potential. And, but the question that I asked, like when I went to India this time, I saw like how people were like just rushing, right? Like if you go into a city, you can see there's like anywhere where there's a lot of people, everybody is running towards something. Like, where are we rushing? Like, where are we going? I don't know the answer, but I don't think they know

Ané: 37:16

either, to be

Divya: 37:17

honest.

Ané: 37:18

Yeah.

Stacey: 37:19

Yeah.

Ané: 37:19

They're probably running yet towards something or running like away from something, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Stacey: 37:27

I was thinking that too.

Ané: 37:29

But with all of, these modalities and the things that you teach with your clients, not teach, but, you know, to. Enlighten them about what have you found? What is the most like amazing or profound moments that they've had within their nervous system regulation and all of these? Because obviously you really work on like the core aspect of things. It's not just like, like you said, you can absolutely do breathwork, whatever, and do this and that, and it's all good. But you obviously work with clients, like go to the core, the root of the problems, and you really, refine with them. So what are some things that you've found working with clients that have manifested or has brought to the table that they didn't even expect?

Divya: 38:14

Yeah. Oh my gosh. There's just so many beautiful stories, but like I've had the opportunity to work with a lot of students. CEOs and like health professionals and people in like, in, in, in roles where they have to take a responsibility for a lot of people. So, and they're playing multiple roles at the same time. So they are either a father, a mother, a friend, a daughter, as well as a CEO and like, you know, doing all of those things. So it's like when they find my work and when we end up working for like a period of time, like the, the biggest shift that I feel like, you know, the one thing that all of them say, which is like, I can finally make decisions as myself.

Stacey: 38:58

And,

Divya: 38:59

you know, for people who don't know what that means, it's very difficult to understand, what myself, what do you mean? Like, what are you talking about? Like, it's, but it's just that. That place where they just feel so calm and composed, where they feel so validated, where they feel like they don't have to explain themselves to anyone and they just feel. So expansive in the decision making capacity, right? They're like, Nope, I know when my body's calling for rest. I know where, which part of my body, like which thought, like my authority, I'm so deeply connected to like the part of my body that makes the decisions for me. And, and the other thing that they also see is how their body starts revealing answers. To them. Right. It's like over a period of time as well. It's like they make the decisions, but it's also like they are being steered in a direction and they're just watching the show. So they feel so liberated to take up on any tasks. And even if it's, and I'm not just like, oh, light and love. No, I go through the, the dark, crunchy bits and the shadow bits are like my equal favorite. And it's, I feel like Standing in those times and those crunchy moments is actually determines what kind of a leader and space holder you become, right? So in those moments when your desire is so close to manifestation, like, you know, they feel like they can surrender to the process. And I think that's like the biggest gift that they have given to themselves by incorporating. Like, these modalities and like, like finding their true potential, because we all surrendered in our own way, but we all have to find a path to surrender in one way or the other. When we don't, that's when we resist change so much. And we, Regret every single decision that we make instead of actually saying, Oh, this was just a reroute like this, or this person had to go because, you know, they've had to make like some big decisions as well in their businesses and letting go of people or like letting go of a team member or like needing to change the place because they just don't feel like it, but like trying to communicate that balancing their needs with their children and with their partners. And they've learned how to not avoid truth and confrontation as well over the period of time, like, alright, like, I'm feeling this and I want to not just say, I read a meme recently, like, you know how sometimes we say the sentence and we just say, lol. But actually say, I think G shared it. Yeah. But actually share, like, what is it that you, me, like, that's what they do. They've been, they feel comfortable now actually sharing the truth for what it is without needing to kick it all up and, stagnate their throats, which again, stresses their nervous system. So yeah, they feel. The other thing that I also hear is they feel free, you know, and, and I think that is like, they feel free to move through the seasons of life. They're not like, oh my God, oh my God, what's going to come? Like this is because I think sometimes we can also, there's a lot of fear mongering around like eclipse season, this and that, right? Like there's lots of information, but like, I love when we have to go through crunchy stuff and I'm like, Imagine the powerhouses that we'll be when we come out on the other side. So I think that's that, like, they just feel so, and it's, it's enlightening for me to see them in like, in real time as well, when they're doing that the shift that's happened over a period of time, like, Oh, I have this idea, but I don't know if I can share it with the world to have manifested that and like shared that with the collective and to be known for that, like something else, like that takes like a lot of waves. So I think that's just, just lights up my heart every single time. You did this for yourself. I was just like guiding you and also learning from them as well. Right. So yeah, it's, it's always a two way street. I don't look at it as a client coach relationship at all. Like, I'm like, wow, you're my client. Like imagine how much I'm going to learn from you. Right. Like, it's like, it's like that first line in me, I'm a one four and human design. I'm like, give me all the knowledge. Give me all the lessons. So, yeah.

Stacey: 43:29

Love it. So, you know how you were talking before about how, you know, people come home, they dump on the couch, and they're watching Netflix. That's a symptom, isn't it? So, So, could you give us some examples of some other symptoms that could be manifesting for people when they're in that dysregulated, disconnection from their soul state?

Divya: 43:49

Yeah, so when they're feeling very disconnected, like, they actually are going into like that immobilized state that we call in our nervous system, which is like almost like you've, you've, you, you don't have the capacity to like fight or run away from that threat. So you are, you know, allowing your nervous system to just collapse, right? Like I'll just immobilize myself because that's what feels safe to me, right? So like watching a Netflix show or like procrastinating doing anything, right? Like just feels safe to me. And we all have that. We might all have that with different kinds of threats, right? Like, so it's And we all, it's not that one, it's not that we're always wanting to remain in that ventral vagal state, which is basically like the calm and where you're aware and everything. We all move through those different states at different periods of the day at different times in a week, because we are consistently interacting with external stimuli and we're not consistently interacting with people or systems or communities or governments or anything else. That's like, facilitating that ventral vagal. Like, why do people go run to a retreat? Because they know it's going to facilitate that ventral vagal, right? But, they're not able to create that in their own lives, right? If they don't have like those tools and practices or teachers and guides to lean back on, they will use these disconnection tools like to like in any form. It can be Netflix. It can be like reading a book or whatever it is. And what, what do you notice with that is that you will notice that You know, they basically feel very, like, numb in those state, stasis. And you also feel very spaced out. You also tend to feel very, like, hopeless and almost, like, flat and exhaustion as well. And sometimes in that state, you can also like, if you're in that state for prolonged periods of time, you can really slip into depression as well. But most of the times people also go into the state called functional freeze, right? So they're kind of frozen, but they're doing their brushing, they're eating. They're talking, they're doing the basic. Things to survive, but they are internally frozen. And it's about catching yourself in those moments because this can happen also in business. Right. And in business, it can manifest in like very different ways. It can look like, I think I used to do that more, but now I do it more. So like from a projective fashion, but coming in and like sharing something and then disappearing for like weeks, right. It's like gone. Who are you? Where are you? And then you're like, ah, again, but. I think now my community has gotten used to it. But that's also me trying to let them know. Now I've started to let them know like, hey, I'm actually busy with like other things. I'm like doing other work. I'm probably taking a course and studying something, right? Like, or I am busy networking with a lot of people. So I'm doing something That is related to like, my day to day life and I'm not actually like disappearing the disappearing act is back in the day. I didn't know how to justify that. So I would just disappear because I didn't have the energy to come back online to share something. Right? And now I'm just like, actually, I, you know, You know, wanted to release this part two of the post like few days, like last week, but I didn't have the energy for it and I ended up doing it today, but just honoring that, like, I just needed to, make space because I felt overwhelmed to do any creative writing. That's, that's the truth when I'm bringing forth a creation. That's going to be a part of my living library. That's going to be a part of my soul work. So why am I going to like, rush myself to create that? Right. So, but instead what people do is, Oh, people are not going to know who I am. And I will just like stay in this hiding state forever. And there's no point in me working on my business. I'm not meant to be doing this. I'm not enough. They go into that state. Right. So, so yeah, so that's like another functional freeze example from like a business perspectives, but there's just so many ways in which we can do get it as well. Like it can also show up as like like you've almost freeze when you need to like respond. Right. It's like you Like someone has a creation or someone has like something to share, but they're so desensitized to what it is that they want to share and they feel like yeah, I just need to like, I just can't go live right now. I'm, I mean, what will, what will I share? Right. Like, we'll be, we'll be like ready to listen to what I have to share. It's okay. I'll just freeze that. Put it in the freezer, like pack it, you know, defrost it another time. And by the time we have gone, we've, you know, evolved into the topic is like talking about like 1960s soap or something, right? Like it's gone. Time has gone. So I feel like this is where. The, our nervous systems are constantly adapting, right? Acknowledge the fact that you are going into a functional free state. There's nothing wrong about it, right? Acknowledge. And if you feel open to sharing that with your community, share about it as a business owner, as a team leader, as a CEO. If you are moving through that, talk about it with your team members, see how you can get more help, right? Like see how, who can take off that load or who is the person that can Spark your soul creation again, right? So this is where I find it very important that I work with like my mentors or like my friends who are like, who see me, right? Like as a projector, I can't see myself. So I'm like, I need to be seen through the other. So I'm like, Oh, what do you see in me? Like, what do you think I should like do and hear that? And then they activate that spark in me. And then I'm out from that. Now I'm like, all right, moving into the sympathetic state. I'll go take action. I'll read something. I'm like, okay, I'm going to do this post. Yeah. Right? Then I'm feeling calm and recognized as well after doing that work. So yeah, does that answer your question?

Ané: 49:58

It's a very long answer. No, we love it. We love it. Did you want to say anything else, Stace, to that or?

Stacey: 50:06

No, I just, there's so much to unpack there about how you said, what really impacted me there where you were talking about the living library and that being your soul work.

Divya: 50:16

That

Stacey: 50:17

just. Dropped in for me like, yes, it's of course it's a living library that makes so much sense and there's so much pressure When you were talking before everyone's rushing around everyone's running somewhere. Where are they going? Why are we rushing so much? Maybe we don't need to rush so much.

Divya: 50:38

Mm hmm Yeah. And I, and I think that's the beauty of it because we also feel like we constantly want to innovate and, you know, break out of our molds and like, embrace this new change that we wish to see. Right. But it doesn't mean that we discard all those old versions that we step, right? Like that gets to be a part of our living library and our legacy as well. Right. Like those iterations and those versions of ourselves equally contributes to how our nervous system has evolved. Right. At that point, that version of yourself kept you safe and got you to this point of survival for a reason, right? So, and I think it's not about having any resentment or regret or you know, disassociating with those past as well, like allowing our past to be a space that has actually given us the foundation to levitate into our soul's expression from this moment.

Ané: 51:33

I love that. And I think, what seems like the antidote to a lot of this is having like the community that you said, having that mentor, having that coach, like you say, to be like, yeah, right now I am in a functioning freeze state or whatever, because even you just being like, let's not try and make it mean anything and not have so much guilt and shame. Like I can even feel in my body. I'm like, Oh, okay. That's okay. and we move on and we evolve. And I think that's just like so beautiful. And. As we're talking about the whole rushing thing, because there'd be like a functioning, I mean, I guess there is fight and fight. That's the whole point of why people are always rushing and feeling pressure, right? It's because we are in this state of, like you say, wanting to create that evolution or that, you know, that huge thing. So I guess, Yeah. I mean, I don't really know if I have a question, but I just wanted to agree because I think that's just so beautiful. And it's a great way that you've reflected that back. Cause I think so many of us can relate to what you say, whether you're a business owner or whether you have a project or whatever. It's like, yeah, I've fallen into those States and it's let's try not to make it mean anything. And we just move forward with a state of compassion. I guess like, yeah. Is there any other thing that you want to ask? Regarding any like that,

Stacey: 52:49

I just, I'm really curious about how talking before about the AC, the survival energy and how that really can impact us as we get older, the trauma that, that can occur when, children, you know, they're young, they're experiencing that trauma that can manifest into the physical body. And I think, I don't think a lot of people are aware that that's the case and you know how we're talking about that. Talk therapy how it's just in the mind You're saying, you know the body leads so I guess I don't really know what the question is, but What would you recommend as somebody who's thinking about the symptoms that you talked about and then was thinking? Okay, maybe I do have childhood trauma Maybe these things are coming from somewhere that Happened when I was a child? What would you recommend they begin with? Like, what types of things would you guide them to stepping into and looking into for themselves?

Divya: 53:51

Yeah, I think that's such a beautiful question, but you know, like this is no, you know, by no means like talk therapy is bad or anything. I love talk therapy and I love sending my clients to like, you know, professional licensed therapists because I think there's great benefit. It's like, In, in, you know, having someone to like talk to as well because not everybody has that deeper spiritual connection to like look at it from an energetic perspective or from an astrology perspective or from a human design it always you know, requires some level of initiation or like reference from their community or something like that for them to like believe and trust in that. But I guess if, if they are acknowledging that they have had, you know, that they believe that they've had childhood trauma, which could be potentially contributing to some of their health symptoms, it's about just maybe finding a somatic practitioner. And, you know, starting with Just some basic things that they can do in terms of connecting and finding that clarity, right? So this can, like, there are different pillars in the way in which we can connect to our nervous system. Because once we start connecting to our body, it's like, whoa, she's finally here. Let me open the door. Everything is out, right? It's like, it's going to be a lot, right? So it's also about, like, working with practitioners. that are going to like help them acknowledge that this is just the beginning, right? That this, that is going to be a lot of different ways in which we're going to probably treat the same pattern or like correct the same pattern. So, yeah, working with a somatic therapist or working with a nervous system, energetic coach, or like, you know You can come through the other route as well. You can, you know, find astrology and human design and then see how on what patterns you have picked up from your open centers and undefined centers and you know, any other aspects in your chart as well, right? Like from, from your sun, moon rising, and you can come through that route as well. But if someone doesn't want to come through that route, I think I really suggest like seeing a body practitioner, right? Like someone who. is embodied in their practice in the first place and is willing to go through those different layers, right? So really looking into see like what nervous system states is their body currently locked in and what experiences have contributed to those states. So they might not be able to trace back like far beyond, but slowly as we go through that path, we will be able to trace back that it might've been. Related to one, you know, profound part. So that's what we call somatic parts work as well. So we find that part, and we, you know, bring a level of compassion and acceptance to that part and integrate that part back to ourselves. So There's millions of pieces, millions of parts. And you know, sometimes we can get stuck in this constant race of healing. I feel it's a balance about learning to live your life and being in the moment and finding joy in the mundane, but also healing when you need to. Right. So that you're not repeating those patterns because it's like a fine balance. I feel like people can really get, I was definitely in the healing cycle, I should say or like a Tesla, like it was, I was on it, right? Like I was in full speed for many, many years. And I was like, I need to constantly heal. And then I just like, Oh my God, I'm not even like living my life. And I took the, took, you know, got out of the car and I was like, let's just, let's just go do something. You know, gardening or like just, you know, grocery shopping and like, just like live our life, right? Like, let's just do like the basic stuff and not miss out on the mundane because we're not going to get that moment today, right? Like healing is going to happen. The damage happened over a period of time and so is healing. Right. So it is going to happen over a period of time. But again, I don't think it is damaged as well. Right? Like I feel like those I was reading this beautiful book and they were talking about how Each child, like whether it's a Sagittarius son, they were born to that parent because they needed to teach a particular lesson related to their freedom and related to their higher expansion and their individuality and needing to travel. Right? So we all have come here already with certain soul lessons. That's why I feel we should No matter how much talk therapy and mindset work and things we do, we should never disregard the soul because what is happening right now is our nervous systems have been so overburdened that we are not able to fully receive the energy of our soul. right? Because the soul's energy is infinite. It's unconditional, and it is unreal. And it is so mis, mystic and mysterious, and it's like it's fully charged. It's wants to experience something through us in this body, right? But if that body is not safe enough to hold that frequency, we can feel like a, a little. Chook in the, what is that saying? The Australian saying? Chook in a cook? I don't know, like a deer in the headlights. Let's just stick with that. Yeah,

Ané: 59:10

I like it.

Divya: 59:11

Yeah. So, yeah, so I guess like, you know, you can start with like, Referring to a guide, but also there's heaps of, you know, tons of resources on YouTube as well. But if you're going into the deeper parts or like the shadowy parts of your experience, always do it with another person because you need someone to reflect back to you the light, right? Like that. Yep. It is very crunchy and it is very, you know, difficult and it's but let's also know that This is, this is like, there is light at the end of the tunnel, right? And when you're doing it on your own, sometimes we can, we can miss the boat and slip into like the wrong side. So and find it very difficult to come out on the other side. So yeah, it's about, again, again, it's about attuning to the people that make you feel at home. Right. So people who feel safe to your nervous system. So whether that can be one person or a whole community, whatever feels good for you, but starting from there.

Stacey: 1:00:16

I love how you call it crunchy.

Divya: 1:00:18

Same.

Ané: 1:00:20

It's so good.

Stacey: 1:00:22

Like crunchy, I always call it sticky. Yeah. Also, yeah, I just have to repeat that as well. Yeah, if you're doing shadow work, and you're going into those sticky, crunchy areas, definitely do it with somebody who can hold that space for you, because, like you said, it can, I think you do really need someone to show you that light back, and it can be a bit, like, dangerous, but Dark.

Divya: 1:00:47

Yeah, it can be a bit gnarly. Right. So we just want like someone to hold the torch. That's it.

Ané: 1:00:53

And also like what you said as well, like I, sometimes you get hooked in that and you can stay in that space for so, so long and then it, it just, it's. Ends up going to really dark and, and scary place. And I love that you mentioned that. Yeah. Like healing is important. Yes. But it's in those moments of like the play and enjoying life that we can really start to figure out if we have, if our nervous system has evolved, has sort of grounded in this new space. And I love that you shared that because you're so right. This especially in COVID. I feel like, I don't know, obviously collectively. Yeah. Like, a collective shift obviously happened, and a lot of us were in that, like. You know, healing space and, you know, got a, yeah, or you go the other way. And it was like fear mongering and all of that. And so sometimes now that we've like been a couple of years out, it's been really nice to just have fun again and enjoy life. And I think that's so important and I think we should probably wrap it up here because we have spoken for so, so long, but. Well, long and I don't know if it's long for you guys, but I felt like we shared so much information and I don't, as we've spoken about, there's so much information out there, we don't want to bombard them. So thank you so much, dear, for your wisdom and your, you have such a profound way of explaining. Complex information simply, it's so, it's, yeah, you just, you're, you're magical. And we are so honored that you've come up here and shared your stuff and your offerings that you do, it's not even offerings. It's like, you're, you're truly an alchemist and I can't wait to work with you with the astrological medical stuff, because you're so right. It's working through that core that shifts really do happen. So thank you for coming on here and speaking your truth.

Stacey: 1:02:44

Yes, biggest thank you. I feel like you are a magician with the way you weave work in a saying with really complicated topics, they're very easily accessible. So, if somebody did want to work with you and they want to come into your world, where would you send them and what offerings do you have currently?

Divya: 1:03:08

Yep. Oh my God. First of all, thank you so much for those beautiful words. Both of you. Oh gosh. It's just made me a bit emotional, but it's just so beautiful to receive that. So thank you. It means a lot and what an honor to be here and to just, yeah, riff off, right. Like and go in different directions, but it's just been so heartwarming. So thank you. So yeah, so people can find me on Instagram at dr. divya. divine. That's my. And then I do have a website that's linked there as well. It's www. drdivyaodia. com. I just need to double check that I might be wrong, but it's there in my link. And I have a couple of introductory offers where people can step into my world to experience my energy. And one is. Also, so my alchemy, which is basically the medical astrology reading. And the other one is soul alchemy. And that's basically, we go into the soul energetics of a person's soul's purpose. And especially if there are a budding entrepreneur and the. Want to know, or they are at a time where they're feeling stuck or transitioning in the business. And we just go into the soul centers to see how we can bring forth that knowledge through the nervous system. And then I also have my signature coaching, which is called rhythmic alchemy, which is where I hold space for My CEOs and business leaders and entrepreneurs to come in for a longer term container where we just go on a beautiful journey, everything that we discussed. So yeah, so those are my three main offerings and I do do some classes on and off. So yeah. That's about it. We'll

Stacey: 1:04:49

definitely also be eventually diving into those offerings because I just, I don't know if I could have talked for so long on this episode. Honestly, you know, I could have gone for hours just listening to you speak, so. Literally. Yeah, from that snippet. I, hopefully people have gotten a little tiny fraction of an introduction into your world.

Ané: 1:05:13

I definitely feel like we'll do a part two, obviously, but yeah, I, I feel like, yeah, we'll start off, we'll, we'll keep this here and then if the people want more Dr. Div, then we will deliver that maybe even in person, who knows? Oh,

Divya: 1:05:29

I would love that. Oh my God. Like a day retreat. Yes.

Ané: 1:05:34

Absolutely. So thank you, my love. Thank you for your wisdom. We'll, we'll link everything in the show notes, like Stace have said. Yeah. And speak to you soon. Thank you. Bye.