Evolving your inner and outer world

In this episode, we explore the transformative power of life transitions, focusing on the journey from thriving in familiar routines to embracing change. Our discussion begins with an analysis of the challenges faced by entrepreneurs, including the often-overlooked mental toll of navigating both business travel and significant career shifts. We dive into the importance of grounding practices and self-care in managing stress, and the role of introspection in discovering new passions and evolving professionally.

We also highlight the impact of privilege in the business world and the process of letting go to find clarity and personal growth. This episode is a deep dive into the balance between fantasy and reality, the necessity of support systems, and the practical steps needed to navigate change effectively. Whether you're facing a career transition or looking to rejuvenate your business approach, this discussion offers valuable insights and advice for your journey.

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Transcript

Ané: 0:04

You also just don't want to burn everything to the ground because you're having a moment as well. Are we just like having a bit of an emotional burst right now?

Stacey: 0:14

Do I want to change and evolve the work I'm doing completely into something else? And then you start questioning, what is it that I'm passionate about? What is it that I really want to do?

Ané: 0:47

Hello everyone. And welcome to another episode of trusting the universe and shit. I think we're an episode 49. Stacy and I just had a really good giggle about how long it's been. Hello stace.

Stacey: 1:00

Hello. It's so funny because I just looked at the calendar and I was like, it's been six weeks. Oh my God, far out. That's so long. And it's so weird because we'd been in such a flow and you know, we've kind of, I was just saying before, I feel like a little rusty on the whole, you know, flow of the podcast. So it's so nice to be. Here and to be back because I was really missing it. I was like I missed the podcast and you know episodes come out every week, you know on the other side, but for us we have had to schedule those because of Travelling and work and life and everything, so, yeah.

Ané: 1:47

just saying that's like, you know, when you've been out of lingo for a bit and it's like with anything, like any part of life, but it's like, if you were, let's say you were in a relationship for many years and then like, you have to start redating again, like, I feel like we're redating each other again. And it's like, how do you do this? Or like, you know, and we feel a bit rusty, you guys. So please be gentle, but you know we're glad to be back. And we were saying as well that like. The podcast was the one thing we were so consistent with because a, it was so freaking fun. It is so freaking fun. We love it. And be like, because we work so well together, it just was like effortless. Like it never felt like we had to show up. Well, sometimes we were like really trying to, but like not in a way that was ever forced. It was always from a place of like, Let's just see what happens. Let's just do it for like 30 minutes and see what happens and what lands. And then, Yeah. someone went on Japan and we had a bit of a break, but it was, it was also necessary, I think the break and how was Japan, tell us a little bit about it because Yeah, the people want to know, the people want to know.

Stacey: 2:55

so, it's really difficult to take that time off in your business to say, you know, I'm going to go travelling for three weeks, and I had booked it a year prior, and you go off and you think, okay, I'm going to plan and prep for it as much as I can, but I really didn't prep and plan probably as much as I should have. I think there's a lot of learning in there for me about how much I really need to prep to take that time off and I ended up after Japan, you know, coming straight to my hometown, which wasn't totally planned because, you know, I came back for a funeral. So it was very difficult to have this much time off because I didn't have everything planned out for the business. While I was traveling, you know, it took me quite a number of days to kind of let the business mind of myself go and to go, you know, I have to put this aside for now. Like you've done what you could, what I did everything I could in the time that I had to be able to put it aside to, and to actually start to go away. And I feel like it takes a It took me at least maybe five days to get to a place where I was trying to ground into the trip and it often takes me that time, like even though I'm in my hometown now, it's taken me about two weeks, even only just now, to feel like I've grounded into where I am now and then in another week I'm going to be going back home again. So it's those emotional kind of experiences that we often forget, like we can plan and we can do all of these little. Scheduling things, but the emotional side of what's going on is often forgotten. We forget about it, like how we're going to feel about leaving our work and how we're going to feel about, you know, stepping back into a podcast or stepping in and out of, out of different projects because

Ané: 4:48

Mm.

Stacey: 4:49

we think, Oh yeah, it's fine. Like it's mojo in that way. And they're not realized. Like you were saying the podcast is so effortless in so many ways like not the technology side always but it's so Yeah, it's so effortless and that's exactly how I want business to feel. I want it to feel effortless But how do you really get there and for me even though I wasn't working I still it was still on my mind for a while and if that wasn't feeling effortless It took a lot of effort to get there To let it go. And that was something I wasn't expecting to happen.

Ané: 5:31

Yes, and I agree, and I, as do I, like, even though You had all of these amazing trips planned and things planned. And I've just kind of been doing the same things. There's been new projects that's kind of come into my life and I didn't, I didn't expect the shift internally of like the business side of who I've been like a business manager and all of those to really shift. Like I thought that was going to be like for not a forever thing, but like a thing that's like the foundation. Right. And I think Now, after having a bit of time off from the podcast, I'm like, okay, I really miss that. So that obviously entails that, like, keep doing that because that feels effortless. But then there's other projects and things that's come in place. And I'm like, oh, interesting that this like management part of me, which have been very comfortable zone, I guess, Is an effortless place, but it's also not something that's like fully lighting me up anymore. Like it's not this like, Oh my God, I'm so excited because I have the state of, I know what I'm doing. And it's kind of like when you're on autopilot, you know? And so, Yeah. today's conversation, we wanted to talk about like, how do we get in those effortless states and how do you navigate The shifts that where if you are in a place of like evolving. In any area of your life, career, relationships, personal, like whatever, spiritual, like, how do you navigate that? And I think, cause for so long, say, so now like, what are we going to talk about and better out of our lingo? Like what's going to come through. and then we were just like, we always do tell about what's happening in our lives and we're like, Oh, we're both navigating this sort of new evolution that we want to take part in. But we don't know how that looks like or how that feels like, or like how to do it. So, yes.

Stacey: 7:24

Okay, what's this going to look like in the future? How am I going to evolve and how am I going to show up? You know, I was talking to my partner the other night and I was saying, you know, like, what do I, what do I even really want to do with my life? You know, And you get to these points where you think, do I want to, and I hear this from some of my clients too, so frequently, do I just close up shop? Do I just close up shop and just pack it all in? And it's been interesting because I'm in my hometown, and I'm helping my parents close down their business of almost 40 years. And one of the things my dad said was that, you know, he's having a hard time letting it go. course you would have a hard time letting it go, something you've been doing, driving there, driving home every day for 40 years, seeing the people, interacting with the people. And then all of a sudden, having to go through this whole evolution of, what do I do now? What do I do now that I want to close my doors? And there, them closing their doors is going to be a very You know, extensive closing of doors with our online businesses. I feel like it's such a privilege to be able to just close our doors. That sometimes we forget that, that actually would be very easy for me to tomorrow, shut the doors to my business and fold the fold it, fold everything in and then just give it all away. And I feel like people forget that even that's a privilege to be able to do that easily, that you could. Just fold it easily. My parents cannot fold their business in easily because it's very complicated. I feel like if we're going through these types of evolutions and we're saying to ourselves, do I want to fold the doors? Do I want to change and evolve the work I'm doing completely into something else? And then you start questioning, what is it that I'm passionate about? What is it that I really want to do? And you're almost starting from scratch in some ways. You're asking the question in your head and sometimes you get a blank answer and I'll go, do I want to do something totally different? I don't know. Do I? And I like to ask the question just to check in with myself. And then, you know, it's okay. But what are you passionate about? What do you, what do you want to do? And sometimes I'll say to myself, I don't know. And then I was saying to my partner the other day, I was like, I just want to. Like, live by a stream and grow peas and make bread and hang out by washing in the sun. But, you know, commercially that's not really a viable option.

Ané: 9:54

No, not really. Yeah. No, for sure. I know it's a, and then on the other end, when you're talking about like, you know, there is this privilege of, yeah, you can just like close shop. You also just don't want to burn everything to the ground because you're having a moment as well. Like that's what I have experienced myself too. Like there is this really close yeah, gap of like, okay, are we just like having a bit of an emotional burst right now? And I'm like, fuck everything. Like, you know, it just burned it all to the ground, especially when it's in your luteal phase. The girlies know, you know or is it a place of like, yeah, I've been pulling and pushing and really trying to force this to happen. And there has been some successes and there has been some ups and downs. Breakthroughs, but it is just not viable. Oh yeah. Longevity wise, it's just not the thing that's lighting me up. So it's like a really, and I think like what you said, it's like, it, it takes introspection. Like you just have to keep reflecting on what the one is, right? Like with your parents that have a 40 year old business, like that is a huge success and it makes sense of where they are to now close shop. Because. They've had a really long run and you know, whereas like if you've had your business for four months Maybe give it a bit of time, but you know up to you. You're the only one that can know that and I think yeah, like we're saying it just takes a bit of introspection to get there, but with us and with like I'm trying to navigate is like I really, like you said, we both really want to be in a place where we can live that easeful life, you know, grow our veggies, have really a lot of calm, peace of mind. But at the same time have this like excitement of a podcast of possible projects that are coming into a, in our laps that we can take and use it for opportunities and like, you know, have like some prosperity come through as well with that. But it's not like this, I guess for me, it's like, it's not this like egoic state that I'm trying to embody because maybe like the older version in a, or like the older version states were like, we are just the strategy people. We are just this and that, and. There's no problem with that, but I've noticed that like, actually that's quite contracting for me. Like I've noticed that there's been the shift internally of like, you can't, you don't have to just be this one in this one box. So that's sort of like where I'm coming from, I guess with, Yeah. the navigation of this evolution, which is kind of scary as well. Like, you know, when you're like quite comfortable and everything, and then all of a sudden you're like, Oh my God, now I'm like in the deep end again, which, Half of me is like, let's go, but the other half of me is like, how am I gonna navigate this? That's kind of where we are.

Stacey: 12:49

God, yeah, and I think that comfortability is the part that really keeps us where we are. Of. You know, this isn't really lighting me up anymore, but I don't really know where to go from here. But you have to let go of it in order to create that space to think, okay, what does light me up? And to go through that evolution, and we're always evolving, I think we are, but sometimes we resist it, and we resist the new because we think, oh, that's going to be so much exploration, and there's so much I'm going to have to introspect and it does take work to do that and a lot of people just don't want to go there and I get it you know it's it it's something that you really have to you know rip the carpet out from under yourself and go oh I'm gonna have to start again here but you know when yeah we're not burning it all down we're just we're just evolving we're just tweaking some

Ané: 13:44

Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey: 13:45

going through that small shifts initially yeah

Ané: 13:51

a, And I think that's the beauty of it. Like you can be internally being like, okay, there's a shift happening here. I don't know how that's going to look externally right now, but let me nurture this. Let me honor this. Let's be intentional with it. And let's see what the universe can apply for us on this. And that's been like a really beautiful way of acing growth because the old in there would have been like, no, got to burn it all down. And I just got to be chaotic for a minute. But then also B, it's just really nice because you have, if you have a support system to really help you anchor into this. And it's really, it's funny how we always tend to end up coming back. Like we're both like have different ways, but we're both like, yeah, it's, What's happening with us because this is what's happening. And it ends up, we relate to each other so much. So it helps having that support system with you and having a bit of conversation about it. And you guys can always, always text us and email us to tell me where you guys are navigating this as well. And maybe we could give you guys some good tips. Vice or introspection of it. But Yeah, I guess for us right now is a, we're not done with the podcast. We have so many exciting things that we want to bring to life. And yeah, that's just what I'm going to say for now, I guess.

Stacey: 15:09

Yeah, so I had another thought as well, just to add to, to this idea of, you know, when we're evolving. And I really liked what you said about it being, and you know, it happens first internally and then you think, how do I reflect that on my external world? Because that's the part that we get stuck on a lot because we have to turn it into something real. And then we think. Oh, that's too hard. There's a lot of technology or, you know, I'm going to have to tell people or I'm going to have to embody a new identity here. And that can be very difficult. And those evolutions, I think that they, they, they're there for us. And we need to honor them, like you said. And sometimes we, we push it down for a while because they're comfortable. No, no, no. I'm just going to keep doing this work. But if it's not really lighting you up, it's going to be very difficult to get through that work. It's going to be very hard for you to deliver a proper, you know, product to your client. And the other thing that I wanted to say too, while you may even just have an idea in your head, like, I have this idea that, you know, it, my life maybe could be cool if I was just planting plants and I was, you know, living by the river and, but maybe I would get bored. Maybe I actually would start craving, you know, the, the exciting, the high energy projects and things. Cause I love that too. So maybe it's just, sometimes it's just a temporary. thought or an emotion that you're experiencing or something that you're craving. So just listen in and see, see how long that lasts and then take little steps towards it. Doesn't have to be a huge thing. Maybe you're thinking, I want to go and live on a homestead and do all this, but all, maybe all you needed to do was lie down on the grass and swim in the

Ané: 16:57

Have a nap?

Stacey: 16:58

Yeah, have a nap and then actually you're fine the next day. Yeah, so this was me the other day. I was completely burnt out from my six weeks of insane days and just fell asleep on the grass in the backyard in the sun on a little mat like just completely conked. So maybe it's just something like that that you need. It doesn't have to be let's rip it all down and start again from scratch. Maybe it's just Oh, it's just a new project. Maybe it's something that you needed that was small, but you know, you didn't need to rebuild your entire business again from scratch because sometimes people feel like doing that. I just want to burn it all down.

Ané: 17:40

Yeah.

Stacey: 17:41

necessarily burn it all down.

Ané: 17:43

Yeah, it's a fine line of like reaction or response. And I think that's something that I also had to really learn is like, is this coming? Like, am I being reactive right now or do I just need to have a moment to respond how to? Act differently or be differently in this situation. And I love that you mentioned that, like, Yeah. maybe it is just a thought, maybe it's just as like a little fantasy moment and being like, I want to live there or I want to go move to Europe and be a nomad and, you know, work in Bali for a bit and like, go do that if you really do need to shift that energy and have that fire moment happening. But a lot of the times it is just like, There is a core need that's not being met, obviously, whether it's like grounding or just like going for a hike and your brain has sort of like made, Yeah, this story of like, how you actually need to be or what you're lacking in, but it's not even a lack. It's just a sense of like, Oh, actually, all I need to go do is go put my feet on the ground for a minute. Like rather than like, you know, move to the countryside and no, no one, and you know,

Stacey: 18:48

Yeah,

Ané: 18:49

off, live off beans. Yeah, literally. So definitely introspection is going to be so important in this. There's actually something else I wanted to say, but now it's left me. But anyways, I love, I love this conversation that we're having. And if you guys are dealing with the same situation, let us know. Because it's, you know, what's that saying? A problem half shared is half. What's

Stacey: 19:12

Oh, I haven't heard that one,

Ané: 19:14

It's like,

Stacey: 19:14

sounds interesting.

Ané: 19:17

I don't know. So you feel like a problem that's Half shared is half

Stacey: 19:20

Half resolved or something like that.

Ané: 19:22

Yeah, like half like intense or something. Anyways, I'll put it down below because it is so true. It is so true. And yeah. gosh, I, my, my thought process have gone now. I had a thought about what I wanted to say, but it's gone.

Stacey: 19:36

It's okay. We'll, we'll see if it, we'll see if it circles back. But yeah, but essentially I just think when we're trying to tap into ourselves, sometimes we can misinterpret the signals of what we need into. We have to paint this huge big picture of what it needs to be. And sometimes that can block us because it's too big. And then we think, okay, we'll, you know, maybe I want to go and live overseas in Europe or something, but the realities of actually doing that maybe don't match the fantasy that we have in our heads about what it was really going to be like. And my example of being, you know, when I was traveling, there are some things about traveling that, you know, you don't see in the photos. Like my feet were so sore. My ankles actually swelled up so much from the amount of walking because I was because I've had this foot injury, I hadn't been able to walk like that properly. So my body just had this like reaction and you're very tired. You have to navigate, you know, constantly. And it was, it was quite a lot of stress on the nervous system too. Like constantly having to have my phone out every two seconds. I had a lanyard. So I was completely all tethered. I had a phone one, I had one for my key card for the train and I had my bag and I just had all these straps and I felt like a turtle. I kept being like, I'm a turtle. I'm a turtle. I'm trapped in those plastic things in the ocean. And I, and you know, when the trip came to an end, we were talking about all the things that we were going to look forward to coming back to Australia because there are so many things to be grateful for in Australia too. that you get the contrast of what had happened that you forgot that you were taken for granted. When you come back of like how easy it is to get around of the open spaces of how much you love the food, you know, the comfort of your own bed, you know, being able to not have to pack and lug and stress and you know, we almost missed our plane back to Australia and it was the most stressful. Plane getting unexperienced on my entire life, and I'll tell that story on another episode because it's a long story, but it was, there are things that you know, that don't, that yeah, when we're trying to, to imagine a scenario of something of how we want to evolve, that we just need to take those little steps to see Yeah, do I just need to take a swim or something? Do I need to do something small into this evolution? Because you may have imagined this whole picture, but the picture doesn't always match the one that we have in our imaginations.

Ané: 22:27

So true. So true. And you hear this often, like people who go traveling and then they either come home earlier or they shift, they, they, you know, stay from one place to another or. Yeah, they go visit a family member or something because they actually miss that connection. And I miss that, like relationships, I guess, as well. And the comfort, like you're saying, of their own home, of their own space. So yeah, I, I think how we're, what we're like really relating is that like, sometimes we do, yeah, make these big sort of, Oh my God, I have to shift everything in my life. But really it's just a little internal. Actions or habits that you can do daily to get to that actual thing. And I've noticed many times that like, yeah, when I'm like, Oh my gosh, I just want to go live in the mountains and stuff. And then I'll do like gardening or whatever. And then I'm like, Oh, I'm good. Like, let's

Stacey: 23:18

Yeah, exactly. Exactly!

Ané: 23:21

So I

Stacey: 23:22

then you go, oh, okay.

Ané: 23:23

yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, I'm actually, I was being a bit dramatic. It's actually fine.

Stacey: 23:28

Yeah, like the same if you want to change the whole structure of your business. Like, no, I want to go and become a chef. Or I want to go and become a reporter. Or maybe you just wanted to cook some cupcakes. know? Because being a chef is a very, very difficult job. lot of people, because my partner used to be a chef, it is one of the hardest jobs that you can do. Or people think, I want to start a cafe because I used to work with a lot of people who started cafes. And they think to themselves, I really want to start a cafe, but they've never worked in a cafe before.

Ané: 24:02

Yeah,

Stacey: 24:03

it was the worst choice because what they were really craving was the connection of the customers, of being active, of walking around and making people feel comfortable. That's That was the need that they were trying to satisfy. It wasn't that they needed to open a whole cafe, you know. If you're listening to this and you want to open a cafe, just go and work in a cafe and, you know, you'll probably see if that's what you love

Ané: 24:29

Yeah, fully. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go experience the actual thing that you want to first. I don't know if it's going to work, but I think it's going to be a little bit of a test on a lower basis. If you think, you know, if, and then come back and see if it's actually going to think, because, yeah, that's the thing. Like, that's where the mind plays tricks on us, right? Like we over Catastrophize this thing that we want and then actually it's just this little need that it just needs to be met and I find that time and time again with myself So Yeah, yeah. No, I love this and I can't wait about I can't wait to hear about the airport story

Stacey: 25:01

Yeah, oh my god.

Ané: 25:03

Yeah. I feel like you need to like You know and not have that trauma come up first And then we can, you know, like six months later when like the wound is like healed you're like, okay, I could talk about it now

Stacey: 25:17

Yeah, it was, yeah. I have a lot of, like, airport travel stories. like fear already from like past experiences. So I was like, wow, that really compounded that.

Ané: 25:29

Yes, yes, and this is actually what Stace and I were talking about as well We're saying about like we really want to start Telling you guys more, I know we tell you guys stories, but we want to tell you like the details, the ins and outs, the mistakes, the lessons, the silliness that has happened with us, because I've been really loving like people telling stories and being very like not fun. It doesn't have to even be that deep. It's just like funny shit because we're humans. And yeah, we want to share that more. And if you guys are keen, or if you have a question, or if you have a story that we like, if you'd like us to tell or something, then Yeah, email us, let us know because we're very much open to this. And yeah,

Stacey: 26:10

Yeah, we're going to tell some of that funny shit.

Ané: 26:13

Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. So I think. I think that's good. I feel like we have, given you a bit of where we are. But we appreciate you being here.

Stacey: 26:24

Yes, we love you for being here. So thank you so much. And And, you know, we hope to see you next week, and yeah, we'd love to hear from you if you wanna, ask to answer a specific question, we would love to answer that for you.

Ané: 26:39

Absolutely. All right. See you next time.