Passenger consciousness, recognising patterns of the "not-self" & being a body led business owner with Amy Lea

In this episode, hang out with our special guest Amy Lea, chatting all things human design, astrology, and running a business in tune with your body. Amy shares her journey from a health crisis in 2012 that shifted her into the holistic and energetic world, to her deep dive into astrology and human design. Discover how she went from the fashion industry to guiding business owners in leading their work with intuition and authenticity.

Amy breaks down what it means to live and work as a “body-led” business owner, tuning out the logical mind and listening to the body’s cues. She dives into the concept of "passenger consciousness," where your heart and body lead, while your mind sits back and observes. You’ll learn how human design encourages you to let go of rigid routines, embrace individuality, and trust your unique energy flow.

If you've ever struggled with feeling "off" in today's traditional work model, Amy’s insights on working without urgency and staying aligned with your true self will resonate. She also touches on the importance of deconditioning and how recognising patterns of the "not-self" can shift your life and business towards a more authentic path.

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Transcript

Amy: 0:04

We've come out of a time where we've been conditioned to make everyone else the authority. You know, well, they must know better than me. They're the expert. Right. And we're moving into a time where people are really going to start to learn like, no, no, no, no one knows what's best for me,

0:47

Welcome everyone to another episode of trusting the universe and shared. We've got a lovely guest today, Amy. She is an astrologer, human design analyst. Educator and energy coach dedicated to helping people live their most unreasonable extraordinary lives by becoming more of who they really are. Leading with strengths and aligning with their most insecure. Expansive potential. Now I'm so excited for today's episode because I've been following Amy for quite, quite a while. And the way that she really articulate human design and astrology and these really cool modalities that we learn is very authentic and unique. So welcome, Amy. Thank you, hon. Thank you for having me. And we've got, of course, our beautiful Stacy here as well. Yes, I am here and we are ready to pick your brain, Amy. And thank you again so much for coming on so early. And you know, we know you're traveling, so you're fitting in all the things. So thank you so much for being here today. I really wanna just like, let's just give the listeners a bit of a rundown of your story. How did you get into these modalities? Like just give us a little bit of a backstory Yeah, well, I've always loved astrology. I was kind of a closet astrology nerd or lover, like from, from a fairly young age. I remember. First learning about star signs when I was fairly young, like I think I was like eight, nine years old when I kind of grasped what they were. And always, yeah, would pick up books and would get readings, you know, from the little old ladies at the markets, which is kind of what you did, you know, back then 20 years ago when I was a teenager.

Amy: 2:31

And yeah, so always loved astrology. I feel like my journey with these systems really goes back to 2012 though. Like I went through a bit of a health crisis in 2012 and was diagnosed with an autoimmune condition and had a real Dark night of the soul you know, when you have those years that are just like crunchy and it's like, there was death and there was illness and there was just a lot going on. I was pretty young. I was 23 at the time. That is what really, I think opened me up more to this world though, you know, and that's when I started to really get interested in energy and in like mind body health and holistic health and things like that. So it was a real kind of interest of mine like early on. And then it was in 2017 I started studying astrology professionally, but just for fun. At the same time, I was working in the fashion industry and was feeling very burnt out like I'm a projector and like, that's been a fairly common theme for me, like going through big seasons of burnout. And yeah, in 2017 I had this feeling of like, I just need to like study something for fun and something that's kind of going to like give me energy again, that has nothing to do with my work. And it was when I was studying astrology, I was finishing my astrology courses and starting to give readings that I found human design like completely by chance. I heard it on a podcast and It was like the missing piece for me. And I remember like, I listening to that podcast, like I knew I was a projector before they'd even finished talking about it. You know, like I, I could, I could sense the, like the themes, the bitterness, the burnout, the just feeling a little bit different it was so impactful for me that I slowly. Started weaving human design into my astrology readings and, and then my work just kind of really evolved from there, like very organically because I have like a business background. It was a really organic thing for me to take those systems and use them in work that I do with business owners. Now, a lot of the work that I do with people I mean, if anyone comes to my Instagram, it looks like it's like full moon and new moon and it's like more Astra updates and things like that. But the actual work I do with people is a little bit different. And so I do a lot of work with business owners around like their energy, also like around leadership and around like helping and working with their team in the most, you know, bringing out the best of their people, supporting their people in the best way possible. And I like to work with people in a. With a concept that I call body led business, which is really what I think human design helps you do. Yes, that's kind of like the, the condensed version of like how we got, how I got here.

Stacey: 5:08

So you were about to say something. So I was just wondering when you're talking about body led business, can you give us an example of what that might look like for somebody? So say for example, you're working with somebody. And you're teaching them how to start stepping into being body led. Can you give us some examples of what that might look like?

Amy: 5:30

It's all about bypassing the logical thinking mind. And this is really what human design is all about we have our mind and it's this incredible resource and it can be a really powerful tool for researching. For conceptualizing, for coming up with ideas, for storytelling, for forming opinions. But what they teach in human design is that we went through a very significant evolution in 1781, where prior to that, The mind was really in charge. Like the way that humans function, the mind was really the authority. And it was how we made decisions, it was how we lived our life. We were very strategic. And then in 1781 we evolved. And now We have the potential to one, to not have to just survive to, this is like the big difference prior to 1781, humanity was in a real survival paradigm. Whereas now we're moving into a time where it's like, we have the potentiality for more people to thrive and for more people to live like really, really beautifully. And the teaching is in human design is that, the mind isn't meant to be the authority. The mind isn't meant to be how we're making decisions and that we all have access to this other form of consciousness that comes from what we call in human design, your authority. So we all have like a very unique authority that can help us make decisions. And what that does. So there's another big part of the teaching in human design centers around this concept of form principle or what we call passenger consciousness. And this is what human design is meant to help people do, you know, and I think it's a very, It's interesting because it is a very logical system and a lot of people dive in and it can take them into the mind, but really it's a system about bypassing the mind and becoming embodied. And what happens is when you start to access passenger consciousness. It's that you're actually moving through the world and your mind is kind of in the back seat of the car. And if your body was the car and then it's the frequency of your heart is meant to be in the driver's seat. Sometimes I'll call it heart body coherence as well. So it's really like your body and your heart are leading your mind's in the back seat, just kind of witnessing. What's happening. And that's like your ultimate flow state in human design. And that's like how I mostly live my life. And it's really interesting, you know, when you start to reach this state, which the way to get there, which is why I mentioned authority is through like aligning with your authority. It's like, once you can align with your authority and you're making decisions properly, you start to bypass the logical thinking mind. And then this part of you. Your body kind of comes more to the forefront and you'll do things from this state. It's really funny to watch, but sometimes you'll, you'll do things and you won't logically really understand why you're doing it. And then later you're like, Oh yeah, now I can see like that. So I was, or with, you know, when you're with body led business and form principle, it's like sometimes you won't do things and you know, you might, Be going to a really mental place of like, why am I not doing that thing? A lot of people label this as like procrastination or like you're avoiding something a lot of the time, like if you're in strategy and authority and you know that you're kind of embodied, it's like actually a lot of the time you're not doing something is information and it's something to be curious about. And it's not always a problem to solve or something that needs to be fixed. I think we can label things as procrastination and sometimes it's like maybe it's just not the right time. Maybe you don't have all the information, all the data you need to do that thing. Maybe there's a reason why you're not meant to do that. An example that I love to use, like it happens to me all the time, but an example that I like to use of this is something that happened to me personally a couple of years ago, when I was living on the Sunshine Coast in Queensland and a girlfriend of mine, we used to order these really beautiful organic, vegetarian, home cooked meals, you know? So if we were having a busy week, we'd both get a delivery of that. Right. And there was one week, When my girlfriend was like, Hey babe, can you order our family meals to your house? Can you put it with yours? Cause we're, we're going out of town and we won't be here to get the delivery and they'll sit outside for four days, you know, and it'd be ruined. And I was like, yeah, yeah, no problem. And you had to order by like the Thursday, you know, like there was like a cutoff and I just kept like not ordering. And I was like, Amy, get it together. Like, why are you not ordering her meals? They, you know, their family, they're not going to have food for the week. Like you need to do this. And it got to the day where it was like I had to order. And also for myself, because I wasn't going to have any food either. The day I had to order, I got a message from my friend and she was like, hun, if you haven't ordered, don't worry about it because we just got like a ton of organic food dropped off and we have too much. Our fridge is too full. But if you haven't, please don't worry. And I was like, thank you. And I think when you live this way and you run your business this way, it requires a lot of trust and surrender too, of like, okay, there's something going on here because my body does tend to just lead. And the things that are really important get done. And the things that aren't getting done, there's usually a reason for that. That's essentially it bypassing the mind and letting the body kind of come to the forefront and then really leading with your authority.

Stacey: 10:49

I just wanted to know how does someone find out what their specific authority is?

Amy: 10:54

So you can look that up. We have a website, myconstellation. com. au. You can look up your human design chart and that will tell you in there. I really do recommend like if anyone's new to human design. Learning about your energy type, your strategy and your authority can be life, life changing. It helps you with all other modalities too. If you can really anchor into your strategy and authority, it will help you get more out of your astrology. It will help you get more out of your gene keys. It will help you get more out of like any other work that you do. Because, and this is, there's a lot of urgency in the human design community around this to get people in their strategy and authority because I think a lot of people can tell we're going through like a pretty significant time collectively, you just have to look around at the news and everything that's happening what's happening from a human design point of view is that we're going from a time We have like another cycle change. And how I spoke about the evolution and the change in 1781, we're going through another time like that now, we're moving from a frequency that's kind of been driving humanity, humanity forward, that's been all about sameness and we call it a tribal frequency in human design. It's been all about like building things. And like, we see nationalism and we see capitalism and globalization that frequency is changing and we're moving into a time that's far more about the individual and individuality in astrology. They talk about the age of Aquarius, right? It's all kind of tied into that. And so we need people making, we want people making decisions as individuals, not putting position, people of power, not putting governments, not putting leaders, not putting their teachers. Like we've kind of come out of a time where we've been conditioned to make everyone else the authority. You know, well, they must know better than me. They're the expert. Right. And we're moving into a time where people are really going to start to learn like, no, no, no, no one knows that what's best for me, but me, you know, so it's all about like empowering you as an individual to make decisions that are correct for yourself, even when there's an authority or an expert or someone telling you. It's like learning to trust your discernment and what feels right for you. Just those three pieces, energy, type, strategy, and authority can be really, really impactful for that.

Ané: 13:02

Yeah. And I love, I love that you brought up authority in human design, because I think there's so much buzzword with the word authority right now. And I think people think, Oh, like authority, I just got to be in a leadership, but it's so much greater and deeper than that. Right. So I'm really glad that you kind of explained what the authority means in human design. Now let's say a client has come to you. Cause I really want to take them on with the journey with you, how you support them and, and, you know, build that. that faith and trust, self trust in body lead, what is some, because I'm sure a lot of fears come up and things like that, like what are some tools out of your toolbox that you can share here today, maybe one or two, of like, How people can build that inner trust in letting the body lead rather than the mind because yeah, that's something that we talk about a lot on the podcast is like body lead and intuition and all of that, but from your ex, you know, experience an expert in human design and astrology, what's something that someone can start to. Practice.

Amy: 14:11

When I work with clients, I've done some different trainings in like somatics and energy so I kind of use that to support the process in a lot of ways, but from a human design perspective and a more kind of logical perspective, there's kind of two sides to it. So firstly, like, just we're bringing awareness. To it is, is a really big thing in human design. Like we talk about knowledge being like acoustic and like that sometimes it's actually just the planting of the seed that opens you up to the new awareness. You know, someone saying like someone talking to you about being a sacral authority, you know, and you starting to bring awareness like, Oh, hang on. Yeah. how does my gut feel? like feel about this. How does my body kind of move me into action? So there's awareness of like the true self, right? Like who am I really? But then also there's a really significant process. Everyone can start moving through on their own, which is bringing awareness to what we call your not self and what that does, because that really opens you up more to your authority and to being able to be in that body led. Heart, body, coherent state, because it's typically the not self behaviors and traits that distract you. from that. And you're not self in human design. It's all of the stories. It's all of the patterns and it's all of the identities that you've taken on from the world around you. Just due to, there's a very natural process that we all experience that we call conditioning in human design. And we're all constantly being conditioned by. Our family, the people who raised us, our teachers, the people who are in our environment, and we all do it to each other. And it's not a bad thing. And it's not that anyone's wrong for doing that. We can't help it. My family, I. conditioned them just by my energy field, and we're all quite heavily conditioned by the people we were raised by, particularly in those first seven years of life. This is like the kind of really gnarly unsexy part of human design like I always you know, I'll talk to clients, like a lot of people come into human design and they're like, Oh, I want to learn about my Jupiter and tell me my success signature. And it's like, actually you kind of need to do the really gritty unsexy stuff, which is noticing you're not self and bringing awareness to your not self and sitting in the discomfort of recognizing all the ways you're. distracting yourself from what you're really here to be doing due to that conditioning. You can't rush your deconditioning. We ideally want people to give it like a good cellular cycle, which is seven years, you know? I'm seven years into my experiment now. And For what I've seen it, you actually keep deconditioning to like, they're not self really doesn't ever really go away. In fact, as you start to decondition and bring awareness to these patterns, it gets sneakier and better at masking itself as healthy things. Right. So for me, just an example of this is like in my chart for a long time before human design, I tried really hard to have morning routines. It's like really hard to be that person who's like, I'm going to wake up early and I'm going to meditate for an hour and I'm going to do this. And like, it was really rigid and really structured and looks really healthy. You should do that You should commit to that. You should be able to do that. That like, why can't you commit to that, Amy? And I always struggled with it. And in fact, I feel like they made me really unwell, those morning routines. And then I came into human design and learned, well, no, I'm designed to have I'm designed I have extreme rhythms. That's literally my, my son is in the gate of extremes. I'm designed to have rhythms that are not consistent. I'm very inconsistent in, Like life, even with like patents for eating and patents for like waking up and patents, like how I need my, my taste to feel right. Like forcing consistency is actually very unnatural in my design and is a not self destruction, you know, so starting to bring awareness to that, like, how am I distracting myself trying to do these stupid morning routines? When really I, That's not my strength and it's the opposite of what my strength is. And I also have an undefined ego, so I'm not designed to make commitments. And so when I'm trying to force myself to be consistent and remain with a commitment, it actually makes me really sick and it zaps the energy from me rather than gives me energy. So, when it comes to the not self and deconditioning, they're not self it's. It can be pretty gnarly, some of the things that are there like avoiding truth and confrontation, people pleasing, rushing through life is a really big one for people, feeling like you'll never be seen and heard so you do things to attract attention, holding on to relationships or identities or jobs that are unhealthy for you because it gives you a sense of security, overworking because you don't know when enough is enough feeling like you're intellectually insuperior. So you're always trying to prove that you know for sure. So you're running around wasting your time trying to convince everyone. I know my staff when really your gift is in saying like, actually, I don't know, you know, and these are just examples of what they could be. Everyone's is really unique and really different. But so it's like, that's like the most practical thing you can start doing is going into some of those deeper layers. Like once you've, Spent time experimenting with strategy and authority going into some of those deeper layers because you'll start to see All the ways you distract yourself out of your true self and out of that flow state that you have access to Yeah, and so we sell reports that kind of go into this but you can't the best way to learn about this is starting to Go into the energy centers then As well, but with human design too, it's really meant to be an experiment, you know, so it's meant to be this system where it's like, don't take what I'm saying as gospel. Like don't believe me, go play with it and mess around with it and be curious about it, but give yourself time and know that it's something that it doesn't just, it's not a system where you just learn it and you live it the next day. It does take years of playing with it. So that's like the the really slow one sexy process and

Stacey: 20:02

we want to get there and we want it to be here. Then we want it to be fixed and we want to Solve the problem, but I think we can also very much relate to. The confinement of trying to force ourselves to do things like morning routines and sticking to structures that may not serve our specific design. So I love that you brought that up because. I've definitely done that before. Like trying to force myself into a box, it's like the round. Thing in the square hole and you're trying to jam it in there and it doesn't fit no matter what you do, it doesn't work. You know, people who try to become morning, people who aren't, things like that. And. I think that is. Where a lot of the genius probably is in human design. I personally haven't dived into a lot of human design. So that's why this is really interesting for me. And I think. People that are listening that may not have dived into human design will probably learn a lot from what you've said. I probably will go back and re listen to. To this to, just to, to even begin there too. There's all these, all these new terms that could be coming up for people like authority and strategy to begin learning about. How you can properly. Harness your strengths.

Amy: 21:19

I should say for some people commitment and a morning routine might be really good too like it's just like in my chart It's kind of the opposite, but someone might be listening. You'd be like, no, that really works for me. What are you talking about? And it's like, well, and that's the whole point is that we're all really different and what works for you won't work for me. And we're trying to move away from homogenization, you know, like that's a whole, that's a big thing. We've been really heavily homogenized like you said, it's the square peg round hole, you know, where we're all trying to being forced into these round holes and really, it's. the gift is in more just embracing, creating a life that fits who we are, rather trying to fit ourselves into some kind of external picture that we've been told we should, you know, this is what you should do.

Ané: 22:03

I love that. I also want to, you know, I know from your story of you, you did the studies, you went into the industry, you did the nine to five. How have you found whether it's astrology or human design? That really got you the urge to make, take the pool and really go into your business. Because I know from our listeners, we have a range of people who do have a nine to five, but we also have people who possibly want to get into their own business or entrepreneurship. So what made you go into, was it this work that got you really, Like kind of ready. I mean, you're never ready. Are you, but what was it that got you there?

Amy: 22:46

I feel it was a very slow evolution for me. Like I think people look at my business now and think, Oh, it happened so quickly and all of the things. For me, it felt like it was so slow and it was really like all of my twenties, I think working to the point of really going into my business. I feel like I knew I would need to end up working for myself before I found human design because the experience I had with work and with study, like I've always been someone who likes to learn and likes to study. So most of my 20s was like me working and also kind of studying different things on the side, earlier on I studied fashion design. I'd gone to uni initially and done like business degrees. And then I've done like human resources, like study on the side while working. And then just lots of other, just like little things. And I actually took Marie Forleo's B school, like in 2015, before I knew I was going to study astrology. Like there was just like this, I know there's going to be something and I don't really know what it's going to be. And I think that was partly like survival led because as a projector I could feel like, and I had a lot of stories around like something's wrong with me, you know, something's wrong with me because I don't feel like I'm well and, and I've had a lot of like autoimmune and health things throughout my twenties and like, I still have that going on, but like, it's like I wasn't so well. And I think a big part of why. I wasn't in my twenties was because of how I was trying to work and live. So I feel like it was almost like a survival thing of like, you're going to have to go down this path. And my body just started almost preparing me for that. But then I didn't properly start this business until it was June of 2018 that like, I properly like launched inside this business. And it was a very soft launch. Like it's not The way people launch now. Like I literally just started an Instagram and started posting. astrology, like new moon and full moon posts. Like that was it. And it was just, there was no strategy behind it. It was like, I'm just going to open this and like put things out and have readings available for people to book. But it evolved pretty quickly for me. And I did like a lot of mentoring and a lot of business coaching and things like that. But I didn't actually leave my job until March of 2020. So it was nearly like, you know, nearly two years of me kind of still working and doing that on the side. And those two years were so crunchy for me because it was like, I felt so much urgency and like, I just want to do my own thing. And like, I could feel it. I was like, Oh, I need to put more energy here. But also knowing that I didn't want to completely frag my nervous system either, which I think leaving my job too early, like I was always very mindful of like, not. putting myself, excuse me, not putting myself into survival. Because that just contracts the energy, right? And you go into the reptilian brain and you don't make decisions, you know, it can take you out of your survival can really take you out of your authority, you know? So Yeah. it was a really fine line, but I think, part of it was like To live, Amy, you need to find another way of earning money, you know, early on. So because the traditional working world just never worked for me. And it sounds really dramatic, but even in those, like that last year of still working and having my business, like, I'm a Leo rising and I can be really dramatic. But I would say to like friends, like, I think I'm dying. Like, I feel like, Yeah. you know, but at the same time, it's like, it's funny, but my body felt like I felt so much contraction and I felt so much like this is so wrong for you and this is so unhealthy for you and it was like Such a thing to get myself to go to work, and I would say I felt a lot of that even for the four years, right? The four years up until properly leaving. So like 2016, I really felt it a lot of that time. I don't feel that anymore, I don't feel that working for myself at all that. Yeah. Yeah.

Stacey: 26:47

to ask you about how you say that you don't run your business with urgency, because I noticed that was on your order apply and. I love this concept of being very conscious about not running your business with urgency. And also when I left before I'm laughing because it's so relatable to the feeling of I'm. I feel like I'm dying because of the extreme contraction of living out of the way that you are supposed to be. That doesn't that suits you. And so I think that ties in with the way that you run your business without urgency. So what are some of the. You know, Boundaries that you have put in place in order to not run your business with, without that urgency.

Amy: 27:28

of that comes from the fact, so in my human design, right? I have a defined root center. And so when you have something defined, it's like it's, it's fixed. It's reliable. It's consistent within you and you're less. It's sensitive there, so I, in the root center, it's like I transmit energy out and I impact the people around me more than I'm not taking it in from them. And it's, so it's not like they're not conditioning me that I'm typically, I'm conditioning people there. And so the thing with the root center is it's connected to urgency. pressure, stress, adrenaline and momentum. And part of me and the way I work with people is that. You know, I think if you start doing this work, it's not just that you're guiding people. It's that my energy is always impacting my clients, my team, the people around me. And so part of the not operating with urgency is this responsibility that I have to not create chaos for the people around me, because I can handle a level of stress. Like with my design, I can handle a level of stress. And I think. it's what really helped me flourish and thrive in my career. I know that if I'm running my business from that kind of unhealthy frequency just because I can withstand, that doesn't mean that people around me can. And My energy, the energy that I cultivate in my day to day life impacts my clients. So it's like the more embodied I am, the more in my true self I am, the more deconditioned I am, the better experience my clients have. So it's kind of like it's a responsibility piece on one hand. And also just, you know, like I have team and people around me who have that center undefined too. So it's like, I don't want my team amplifying my stress. I came from a fairly stressful environment, I worked in fashion industry before coming into this business, which can be very high stress, long hours, urgency, deadlines, last minute Crisis. on the weekend, out of hours, all the things. And when I started my business, it was one of the kind of things that I promised myself was like, I'm not going to recreate that. for myself. I also have something in my design that's called acceptance sense. So I feel like, and I'm very intuitive and instinctive. So when I say like, I don't run my business with urgency, I feel like I have a really good discernment of what is actually urgent and what isn't, you know, so I have boundaries around emails. Because you go, I get, I come from a career where it was like, you know, inbox zero before you go home. And I have had years of having to go home and continue answering emails on a Friday night. You might be answering emails till 9pm on a Friday night or like you're staying late. Everyone's doing like long 12 hour days. And I've always just had this like. Especially around emails. I'm like, it's actually not that urgent. And because I'm a projector too, you know, I'm like, if someone's waiting for me, like, if I meant to respond to the, the invitation or the opportunity, like there'll be okay with my timeline around that. So I have very strong, as you'll know, if you've ever emailed me, I do, there's like 30 emails in my inbox at the moment, which is probably bad because I'm traveling. It's worse than it normally is. But still sometimes I'll take two weeks to reply to people. And again, it's that body led to that. Like I'm always waiting. I'm not going to force myself. This is a big thing for projectors, like which is one of the energy types. It's like, I don't have a SACRE response as a projector. I don't generate energy responding to tasks and things like that. So as a projector. It's like, I'm always waiting to feel like, do I have the energy to do this right now? And I have a team and I have people who answer most of my emails. So it's just the things that have to come to me that wait for me. But I won't force through that. Also, again, it comes back to that responsibility for my clients, because if I'm still running my business, like a generator, I can't actually, I'm not living as a projector and with projectors, it's very specific. It's like you really have to stop living as generators and manifestors in order to be able to guide people correctly and in order to be able to see people correctly. So if I'm not deconditioned there my clients don't get the benefit from working for me, with me. Yeah. No, I have no, there's no agency around emails in my business, even with projects and things like that, even with contractors that I bring in, I'm very relaxed with timelines because most of the time I recognize as well, like, well, that's the timeline of my mind. You know, sometimes the timeline that things just happen in organically and naturally is often the perfect timeline, why rush? I feel like I'm creating something that I want my business to feel like it's sustainable and I want it to have longevity, and if I'm rushing to get things done in a way that's fast, in a way that seems like we're constantly moving forward and things like that, like for me, that's never going to be sustainable either. So it's like, in order for me to be able to do this work longterm, it just has to be this way. For me, and I don't want to feel like I, I busy, but like, this is another part of the work I do with people, but it's really identifying where you are stuck in misaligned busyness too, which I think is what a lot of these things are, for most of us, it's like, well, for me and my business, I would rather work in a way that's really potent and precise, which means I go into emails Once a week and just go through what I need to and get it done. And that's the way that's potent and precise for me. If I'm in there every day, like I feel like I'm just creating more busy ness for myself around things that aren't really that urgent, you know? So that's part of the work too. It's like identifying like, where am I distracting myself with action that's not really correct or coherent for me, like in this exact moment, you know? And so much of my work too is about doing less. Sometimes more action doesn't mean better results. And that's definitely been my experience in business. It's actually like less action, but being very precise and doing the things that are going to really move the needle forward. And then just sort of accepting that, like, okay, that didn't happen, but it's okay. I'm human. You know, Whoops. I didn't reply to that email for 10 days and I've missed that opportunity. Not that's okay. You know, it's not meant for me. I wasn't going to force myself to reply when I didn't have the energy.

Ané: 33:52

I love that the first thing that you said was about, it's actually because I don't want to create urgency in my team, like, that's really beautiful, because it's actually very selfless for you to be like, you know what, I don't want to keep the urgency culture or error, keep rippling in this conscious, like we want to, Collectively crush it. And so it's really great leadership from your end to be like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not gonna fall into the trap. And we've spoken on this podcast as well about like being very productive and really like burning out. And I think that's why so many business owners, burn out and we go through these, I mean, you know, you see so many like people who take six months off on the Instagram which is healthy, but it's just because they were already so burnt out two years ago and they just kept going. So I love that you brought this in and one more question I wanted to ask in regards to, you know, you really showing up as the most authentic. Person as you can. When you tell other leaders or business owners about, kind of noticing you're not self and moving that forward into being more authentic, how do they respond to this? And also, how do you get them to see you? Start embodying this new form of identity essentially is what you're shifting for them because I'm sure that that could be a lot of, a lot of things are coming up. I mean, they could probably be running their business for the last five years this way. And now you're just kind of giving them a whole new way of showing up. So how do you, process with them on that?

Amy: 35:26

Look, coming into your, your human design, firstly, it's like. When I work with people in their business, it, it tends to be, it's more holistic than that too. Because it really impacts so many areas of your life. And sometimes a lot of the work is relational as well. What does tend to happen is there's a little bit of a, like shattering or reckoning, you know, like it is, it is really common for people to come to human design. And like, this was like, again, like my experience, like, oh my goodness, I've built this whole career off my not self. you know, and like, okay, I'm not going to replicate that in my own business. You know it's really common for people to realize that, they're in a career that they hate or that big things happen. Like people can leave their marriages when they find human design, and when they start making decisions correctly and start living like their true self, and they realize like, Oh my gosh, I have all this conditioning from my family and from my parents. And that's not really what I want. So Bye. It's probably the piece that's not spoken about as much because it can sound really confronting, but there is typically a little bit of like a shattering or a reckoning and a realignment. And they can be, especially once you're a couple of years in, or you've been experimenting with strategy and authority. Maybe you've been experimenting for six months and you're, you're starting to dive into some of the other layers. There can be a point of like, Oh my goodness, what have I. This isn't me, like what have I created here? I want something completely different. So yeah, that's a really big part of it. But for me, it always just keeps coming back to illuminating that not self, Right. Like keep bringing the awareness to the patterns that the ways that you're avoiding confrontation, the ways that you're holding onto. Something for security, even though it's unhealthy for you, so like that, when I work with people we're continuing to illuminate those patterns. And because like I was saying before, it's the not self get sneakier. It's also like new things emerge the more you go through it. So it's like, you don't really see everything just from the get go, you know? So it is this kind of really cyclical process.

Stacey: 37:28

I just want to say thank you so much for coming on today. You've shared so many pills of wisdom. I think there is so much to learn. Where should we send everybody that wants to start diving into human design and start discovering your work, maybe wanting to work with you? Where should we send them?

Amy: 37:48

Oh, thank you. It's been so lovely to chat with you both. I'm mostly on Instagram. That's where I tend to kind of share. So I'm amylee. co. We have a website, which is my constellation. com. au. And that has an Instagram, which is my constellation. com. People can go to that website to look their chart up for free. People can go to that website and learn for free. We also have a blog on there with Some free information for people who are completely new. Like what's an energy type, what's my authority. And then on that website we do custom reports too. So if anyone's like wanting to start diving into the themes, we create like personalized 70 plus page written documents that kind of go through all of the, the most important pieces in the chart. I also have a podcast too, and there's so much free information out there that people can, you know, Instagram, YouTube, podcast, that's all great for it.

Ané: 38:41

And I have to say, like, I got the report and the amount of details in the report is fascinating and amazing. So I highly recommend you getting that just as a starter, like you say, just to like, really, it's like reading a book, you know, like just another book you're reading of yourself, essentially. So thank you so much, Amy, for your time.

Amy: 39:05

Thank you. Thanks for having me, guys.

Ané: 39:07

We really had the best time with you.