Turkey Talk With Ashleigh Mason

When Ashleigh  Mason swapped her softball mitt for a hunting gun , little did she know she'd become a linchpin in the hunting community of Eastern North Carolina. This week, she joins me to recount her transition from the diamond to the wild, sharing the exhilaration of turkey hunts, her drenched triumph in a North Carolina downpour, and the camaraderie found amidst the great outdoors. If you've ever been curious about the draw of the hunt or the peculiar habits of turkeys, Ashley's tales will transport you straight to the heart of the action.

The chase is never the same twice, a fact anyone who has faced the cunning of a turkey or the unpredictability of the wild can vouch for. In this episode, we take you from the social bustle of waterfowl hunts to the meditative silence of turkey stalking, contrasting the community-centric approach of waterfowl with the solitary strategy needed for turkey and deer. Through laughter and shared stories, including a memorable South Texas turkey quest, we navigate the nuances of the hunt. The tactics, the calls, and the pure adrenaline of strategizing against nature’s own will have you hooked on every word.

As seasons change and the turkeys grow wiser, we hunters find ourselves debating the merits of decoys and reminiscing about hunts past. Ashley and I dissect the effectiveness of various hunting strategies, the peculiarities of laws across state lines, and the thrill of the chase, from North Carolina's soggy fields to the diverse terrains of Texas and Virginia. This episode isn't just about the hunt—it's about the stories, the landscapes, and the shared experiences that make us more than hunters; it's a celebration of a lifestyle that reveres wildlife and the raw, unpredictable beauty of nature.

Ashleigh Mason: https://www.instagram.com/ashmason_1/

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Welcome. Welcome back to the garden state outdoors and podcast presented by boondocks hunting. I'm your host, mike nitro. I'm frank mastica and today, for our turkey talk segment, we got a special one coming to you guys ashley mason.

Speaker 2: 0:39

Welcome to the show oh, thanks for having me actually real quick.

Speaker 1: 0:44

since it's your first time on, why don't you give us a little backstory about yourself? Tell the folks out there where you're from and how you got into hunting?

Speaker 2: 0:52

Okay, well, I'm Ashley. I'm from North Carolina eastern North Carolina. I'm about an hour east of Raleigh, right on I-95 highway, so some people know where that is at least. But, um, I'm 29 now. I grew up in the outdoors hunting and fishing, mostly fishing. When I was growing up um, now that I wasn't like super into it, but into it, I played a lot of softball most of my time and then when I got, out of college I played.

Speaker 2: 1:24

I played softball in college and when, I graduated I was kind of had all this free time, uh, and I was like well, what do I want to do now? And I just started hunting and fishing a little bit more. Then I had passed and, um, found some friends and we can get into that a little bit later too and found some friends that also, you know, love to hunt and fish, and it just kind of took off from there. I would say, the last five years I've really just that's just what I do now yeah, no, it's.

Speaker 1: 1:59

It's when I talk to a lot of people and it's hunting has, yes, where the numbers are slowing down, but it's also to me it feels like so many more people are just interested in hunting and the in the outdoors and seeing how healthy and how good it actually is.

Speaker 1: 2:16

I mean, and then once you find that like that crew of people or you know that you gel with then, it just really hits off and it just you start taking it full steam ahead and it just takes over your whole entire lifestyle where, like nothing else kind of like matters, like anyone know how hunting and our fishing lifestyle is. It's like you start maybe with deer hunting or small game hunting and now it's like your Turkey hunting, your your waterfowl hunting, your bear hunting, you're doing all these different things, you're traveling and it's it's so addicting, which, in a good way, and a bad way.

Speaker 2: 2:51

It really is good for your soul, bad for your wallet?

Speaker 1: 2:55

I'd say definitely I always wonder where I would be. I always wonder like my bank account would be nice right about now if it wasn't for for all this.

Speaker 2: 3:06

If I could have yeah, if I could have every dollar back I'd spend on a duck. I'd be living the high life for sure.

Speaker 1: 3:16

Definitely Now. It is turkey season all across the United States right now. So, being down in in North Carolina, what does that look like turkey season down there and what does your season look like so far?

Speaker 2: 3:31

Well, turkey season in North Carolina. We actually only have one week left here. We come in yeah, we came in the well 13th-ish weekend of April and we finish up next Saturday as our last day here in North Carolina. So it is kind of short here and it's been good. I've had a successful year and a lot of my friends have. There has been a lot of turkeys killed here. A lot of my friends have. There has been a lot of turkeys killed here. I'd say overall here most of the success people have is at the beginning of the year or the beginning of the season, those first couple weeks, but overall it's been a great year here. There's been a lot of turkeys shot and a lot of happy folks, for sure, Actually, my friend Olivia, she just shot one today, so she was very happy about that. Um, but yeah, I've had a great turkey season too.

Speaker 2: 4:29

I shot one. Uh, I guess two weeks ago now I I got back from texas. I shot one in texas and came back home and was um down down east a little bit from here we I live about two hours from the beach and um I was hunting there with some friends and um got one there. It was raining. God, it was raining so hard that morning. And, um, we were sitting there, we were, we were just like let's stick it out a little bit longer, a little bit longer.

Speaker 2: 5:02

And he came out out into the field. And as soon as he came out into the field, the bottom fell out and it was monsooning and he, he was casually, casually, making his way closer to us. He was taking his sweet time and, uh, and by this point we're drenched. We're drenched. I'll have to send you a photo. But we were soaking wet and this bird, I swear he was 60 yards and I just was like let's let it fly, let's see what happens. And he folded pretty good and we just ran after him and just kept running to the truck, but it ended up being a fun bird, I'll send the before and after pictures.

Speaker 2: 5:42

I had to let him dry out a little bit. Give him a little blow out with the hair dryer after pictures I had to let them dry out a little bit. Take the give them a little blow out with the hair dryer after to get some good pictures. But uh, that was my North Carolina bird this year, so that is.

Speaker 1: 5:55

I'm looking at the picture, uh, right now, that you posted on your Instagram and, first of all, I was wondering. I was like where the hell did she shoot a bird by the, you know, by the ocean, like there's a beach, like you? How, how hell did she shoot a bird by the, you know, by the ocean, like there's a beach? Like how how is that? Even like a thing?

Speaker 2: 6:10

So we were, we were hunting. It was probably 10 minutes, maybe 15 minutes from the beach right there. That that picture is really, I guess, the inlet. It's not. That wasn't like the beach, beach, waves, crashing beach, um, it was right in the marina, um. So it turned out to be a great picture. But uh, yeah, we're about 10 minutes, 10 minutes from there.

Speaker 1: 6:35

So that's pretty cool, that that's that's pretty and a beautiful bird, and just a story. It's like you want this bird to come in and it's just absolutely pouring and it's like yeah, I don't, I don't blame you, just at that point, just send it.

Speaker 2: 6:47

Like you know, I don't I mean, I don't know about y'all, but the bird it's different everywhere. We were talking about it in texas, the difference how rio's act versus easterns and xyz, and I was telling them. When I was down there I said I'll tell you what if it gets to raining and you could stick it out. Stick it out Cause they are going to be in a field for sure Just hanging out in the rain and sure enough, I get straight back from Texas. And that's pretty much what happened. And I sent the guys down there a picture. I was like this is what a rain bird looks like.

Speaker 1: 7:21

This is what a you got to go swimming for these a little bit, but I would agree, like whenever you get rain or anything like that, like your best bet is to to head to a field. And you know, on our, our last episode we talked about both frank and I missed miss uh, mr bird. He missed one in upstate new york, I missed one in jersey and I remember I was leaving the house and it was just got done storming. And I'm like you, we gotta head to these fields like they're gonna be birds in these fields and, honestly, right when I was walking in and the minute shooting light came down where it was just enough gray light these birds just came absolutely down and just started strutting and and mating, just right there. I mean it was absolutely insane.

Speaker 1: 8:08

It's like rain is you need to get out, and I'm starting to notice more with deer too. When it rains, it is a time to be in the woods Whenever, whatever animal. Do not be at home, do not say, oh I'm, I'm not gonna see anything, nothing like that. If you have great rain gear or if you don't try to get out into the woods because you are going to have an opportunity at something for sure, I agree.

Speaker 2: 8:38

I agree, especially the turkey I will say I'm, I'm not going to sit in the rain for a deer, I'm just. I'm not but a turkey, I'll drown for one. It's fine.

Speaker 1: 8:52

So you're one of those that love turkey hunting. Like turkey hunting is your thing. It's well over deer hunting. Or is it waterfowl hunting? What is it? What is it?

Speaker 2: 9:05

I'll tell you, I'm one of those people I really love. I get really into Whatever is going on at that time. I really love to fish, I love to go offshore, but waterfowl I love waterfowl too. I think they're all very different and hit a different spot for me, uh waterfowl is just waterfowl, is it's a, it's more social.

Speaker 2: 9:31

obviously it's something that you could do with a lot of your friends and you could hang out and cut up and, um, yeah, I, I enjoy that, the fellowship that you get to have and get to do it with your friends. But turkey hunting, turkey hunting is what gets my heart beating out of my chest, like I mean, I'm sure everybody that's listening and y'all have watched the Mossy Oak documentary that they came out with at the beginning of the season and it was. You know they talk about that. Your heart is beating and you don't know how they can't hear it. That's the feeling I get, for sure over a turkey and some people get that way over a deer.

Speaker 1: 10:11

Oh, yeah, right over here.

Speaker 2: 10:14

I mean, I just haven't hunted big deer. I hunt deer around here, shoot a doe every other year, it's you know. But once waterfowl season comes in I'm not gonna miss a duck hunt to go sit in a stand for a deer.

Speaker 1: 10:34

But I, I, I understand that, like it's here, I don't know we're obsessed with deer hunting. I mean, we, we get to hunt from september, september, all the way to february, so it's much different. Like the, we have endless amount of chances at shooting deer. Um, you know, yeah, we don't have the biggest deer, but we do chase some, some absolute monsters. Now, we're not talking midwest type of, we're not talking about midwest type of deer. If we had midwest type of deer, I don't know what I would do, uh, to tell you the truth.

Speaker 1: 11:05

But yeah you know we. The cool thing about jersey is we get it all like we hunt bears, deer, coyotes, foxes, waterfowl, you know. Then you can get into, obviously, turkey hunting and then you get into the fishing and, like you know we have. You know we're right by the shore, you know we have trout streams and everything right by the shore. You know we have trout streams and everything like that. So it's a good mix and I feel like North Carolina is is a lot like that where it's. It's becoming more and more popular as a as also a deer hunting and a bear state where, like these, monster bears are coming out of North Carolina and everything like that. So North Carolina is one of those up-and coming states now that, like you hear about it more and more and more and I think it's only going to keep growing and in this success as well.

Speaker 2: 11:54

Yeah, we do have a lot of black bear. And then a lot of people are like, oh, they're in the mountains, right and yes, but no, that's not. North carolina is known for their bear. They're known for the upper, uh, northeast part of the state. Uh, you're looking at, like plymouth, hyde county to rail county. Um, up there there are some big bear and it is a. It is a national holiday at the northeast part of the state when bear season comes in. They are all about bears up there and yeah, it is something that people don't realize. The bear hunting here and the turkey hunting has really, over the last 10 years for sure, has been a game changer around here. I mean a lot of our, our like grandpas and even our dads. They grew up, they didn't, they didn't see turkeys here. Um, turkey hunting here really just kind of grew and the population grew and they did some a lot of conservation work here to get the turkey numbers up.

Speaker 1: 12:59

So which is which is very needed, because we we kind of have the I don't want to say the direct opposite effect, because we still have a lot of turkeys. But you keep hearing from a lot of the old-timers, just the numbers are not the same. You know, we got done talking to mike chamberlain a couple weeks ago and you know he said most of the united states, like there's no more wild, there's no more prescribed fires, you know a lot of it is thick, nasty, overgrown, which does not, is not the ideal environment for a turkey. And he said it perfectly. He goes can they survive? Yes, but does it make it very difficult for them to survive? A hundred percent?

Speaker 1: 13:38

Now, if you get a state like you guys, where it's you know there's a lot of conservation work, where you're actually doing everything that that you know the state can to grow those numbers, you're gonna see a very, a much better success rate and a higher rate for for turkeys. Just coming back on the men, but you know, for for us here it's, we have a lot of predators to a lot of coyotes. We have a lot of predators too, a lot of coyotes. We have a lot of big coyotes that are reaching 70, 80 pounds. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1: 14:08

The bobcat number is starting to increase up in northern Jersey and everything like that. You know, then, our black bear numbers, our raccoon numbers, with you're not seeing as many people trapping and everything like that. So we're getting hit pretty hard. But you know, that's one thing. I wasn't so hooked on turkey up until this year, to tell you, to tell you the truth, like it's always been like. You know, I'm gonna buy a tag, you know I'll. I'll go out like once or twice. But I gotta get back to work and really focus on work where this year, like, I've started scouting myself, finding the sign you know, from tracks to poop to then they're showing up on the trail cameras, and now I've had so many in close encounters where it's gotten me hooked. Now is it quite like deer? No, but I felt my first like encounter with a turkey where he gobbled and my whole body vibrated and that was that?

Speaker 1: 15:03

that was like okay, this is this is yeah, this is, this is what everyone talks about right here is just this unimaginable just vibration that you just get when there's a gobbler so close and it's. I have a such a respect for them I mean all animals but these things, they, they have not been been hard to. They've been hard for me to get. You know deer, I know deer, I can, I can, I've shot plenty of deer. I've shot bear, I've shot you know waterfowl, I I love waterfowl hunting. But turkey, this is a challenge that I've accepted and turkey.

Speaker 2: 15:41

And yeah, turkey stresses me out, turkey season just stresses me out and I that's why I love it.

Speaker 1: 15:49

It's a challenge for me and I think it's a big part of this because you know, yet again you look at deer season or the other seasons, like they're so much longer, you have such a short amount of time and also they're not in deer, they're everywhere. You know you. You know you could kind of hit a a patch of woods and you're like, listen, I guarantee you there's a deer in there. But you're not doing that with turkey. You specifically have to find specific areas. And then you're also, if you're not on private, you're competing with everyone else that's in the same mindset. And then you throw in waking up at 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning to get out there and everything like that. It's a challenge. I like how you say it. It's a much different of a challenge. It's driving me crazy and it makes me want to rip my hair out kind of, but it's driving me crazy already and I it's. Yeah, it makes me want to rip my hair out kind of, but it's fun more.

Speaker 2: 16:47

Yeah, it's just more like tactical and more technical. Um, you know waterfowl. Waterfowl is fun to me, turkey is challenging to me. It's just so much more rewarding for me, so that's why I love it.

Speaker 1: 17:07

But I think you, like you said earlier, you do the the waterfowl for you know, kind of it's fun, but you get to do that with the camaraderie and you get to do that with other people and you get to.

Speaker 1: 17:19

You get to bullshit, like I always tell people like you could be cooking a you know a sandwich and and everything like that and having coffee or or whatever you're having to drink and you're gonna be just talking to your buddy smoking a cigar, whatever the case is. Like you can't do that deer hunting, you can't do that turkey hunting, like those are, you know you can't do that black bear hunting, like you can really only do that waterfowl hunting. And then you know, maybe if you're you're dove or pheasant hunting, some some type of game bird, like that's that's the only way you can really do it besides, besides that. And then turkey is like you said, it's tactical, it's you know. And then deer season, I think for for at least it's a just a 24, seven, 365 grind where it's like you have to do so much work and it's not just, it's not just tactical, but it's you're constantly doing new steps to to get there and to achieve a certain, a certain goal. So each are unique in its own way, for sure.

Speaker 2: 18:23

Yeah, when I, when we were down in Texasxas we were in south texas turkey hunting and I was um with two guys and we had a time I shot mine pretty quick. I think I shot mine the first like couple hours we were there but we hunted the rest of the weekend. The guys were trying to get a turkey too, and it was I.

Speaker 2: 18:39

I said I was like I wish we could all be mic'd up all day long so people could get a good glimpse of the thought process that goes in to killing these turkeys, because all day long all we have done was I think we should go this way because X, y, z and I think we should do this because X, y, z, none of it worked, but we were so dead set, oh, that turkey is definitely over there so we need to walk, or you know, and there's just so much thought process that goes into it. I just wish we were all mic'd up right now, because it is hilarious to watch us all trying to talk our way into thinking that we're right, that we're gonna beat this turkey. I say turkeys are so dumb, they're unpredictable, you can't you think you got them yeah, yeah smart at them and you, just you, know they have.

Speaker 1: 19:34

I agree with the world.

Speaker 2: 19:36

There's like no logical sense for them to go right.

Speaker 1: 19:39

So you're thinking, yeah, they're definitely gonna go left and you, you got it all wrong see, and and that's the thing with deer, I think deer just so logical, where you kind of, yes, they can always surprise you, but you know they're. There's so much sign. First of all, you know where deer are walking. It's so much easier to find their trail or their beds or and things like that with with turkeys sometimes, especially if you're hunting in brush or something like you gotta gotta be hands and knees to find some tracks or or to find some poop or some type of sign yeah what deer I could.

Speaker 1: 20:18

You could see a sign of my, what you could see a deer from so far away, where turkeys it's. It's not the same way it's no it's you're, you're going there and I'll never forget, like a couple days, like we're trying to pinpoint birds, but then we had birds firing off in all different directions and it's like, well, which one do we go after? Which one is?

Speaker 2: 20:38

what do you do?

Speaker 1: 20:39

yeah, what like? How do you? So then you're sitting there all right.

Speaker 2: 20:43

So then you're sitting there having this conversation of trying to make logical sense of why we should hunt that one yep, yep.

Speaker 1: 20:53

And how about when they get hung up and they're, they're already with um, with hens, and it's like you know they're there and it's like, why are you not coming? Like it's it's so frustrating because everything has gone correct and you know, but he's just he's preoccupied and there isn't really in New Jersey. We can't stop, we're really not allowed to stalk them. So you can't. You can, you can move yourself to get maybe like a better position, but you would have to still try to call them, call them in Right. So yeah, really, wow, we cannot fan, we cannot fan or anything like that.

Speaker 1: 21:29

There's no running and gunning so it, yes, we can run and gun, but not in the same. So, like opening week, you know we run and gun, but we had to set up like we couldn't. I know you know, people do a lot of the fanning and stuff like that and they're actively still like they have a gobbler and they're still going towards it. No, we have to. Once we locate a gobbler, you kind of have to like set up and try to call that that gobbler in yeah, wow okay, yeah, for some reason yeah, they're always going true

Speaker 2: 22:04

yeah yeah, that's funny because texas we hunted three days and we walked 36 miles. There was no sitting down. You sat down for a split second, but you were moving.

Speaker 2: 22:16

You were always in texas, in north carolina we're a little bit of everything. You'll sit, you'll, you know. You may sit on a blind or on a tree over a field and hunt. You may do a little bit of running and gunning. It's a little bit of mix here, the type of hunting you'll do over a turkey. But Texas, you better put your walking shoes on, that's for sure.

Speaker 1: 22:39

So what was Texas like First of all at this time of the year? What's the temperature?

Speaker 2: 22:52

What's the conditions looking like in Texasas, and you know what is hunting birds in texas all about. So, yeah, so I was interested in the same thing. I was very interested to see the difference in a rio versus the eastern, how they acted and, um, first of all, it was already warm there, it was pretty toasty and it was dry, they told me. They said there's there's not a lot of water here, but if I didn't understand that, they were like, oh yeah, old creek beds over there. So I'm under the impression we're about to walk through a little bit of water. You know, no, there's no water, not an ounce of water, but they still call it a creek bed. So that was that was interesting. The terrain, the terrain was just different.

Speaker 2: 23:32

It's very sandy, everything there wants to cut you, prick you, poke you burn, you poison, you know um I have a question.

Speaker 1: 23:43

You should have been like. You should have been like listen, I know your guys are not from where we are, but this is not a creek bed. I don't know who told you this is a creek bed, but this is. There has to be water here yeah what is this funny?

Speaker 2: 23:59

they're like. They're like yeah, they're, they're just over the creek bed and I'm thinking we're gonna have to, like, jump over a creek. Nope, there's no water in this thing. It gets water in it twice a year, so it's called a creek bed but, uh, yeah, all their turkeys rio's down there, they're gonna walk. They're gonna walk on the roads, on the dirt roads. They're gonna be in the dirt roads there interesting that yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:24

So there we're walking. It was probably a 1500 acre ranch that, uh, we were hunting on and uh, the roads I mean there's tracks everywhere where we walked and we came back and there's tracks over our tracks. They are walking in the roads in texas, they're not going to be hanging out in the woods, really, which that their woods and their brush and their mesquite trees is all very different than here. So that was that was interesting to me. But you know, we were walking and there was an old, the road kind of cut up a little bit we couldn't see quite in front of us and there was an old windmill a little bit ahead of us and it it creaked. The brakes were broke, it creaked a little bit and that turkey uh, fired off and he gobbled and he was pretty close. You could tell he was close and we were all like, oh god.

Speaker 2: 25:22

So we backed up like 25 feet, got set up on a tree. We were thinking he was going to come walking down the path at us. So that's how I got set up and Zach yelped at him and he ended up cutting into the wood. So I had to get turned a little bit. I wasn't turned the right way and he cut. Zach yelped again and he cut back to the right in the wood. So I'm trying to get turned. I'm sitting on a tree trying to get turned and I see him and I'm stuck. I'm stuck like halfway, not ready. My gun is not on him and he's like 20, 25 yards in front of me and I'm like, jesus Christ, he's, he's gonna see me. So I am ever so slowly like inching my gun over and up and again, I'm shaking my heart's, beating out my chest and it was it all happened so fast but it was in slow motion all at the same time.

Speaker 2: 26:26

But, um, I shot him and I'm not, I'm not here to plug different brands, but I did shoot him with the new migra um turkey ammo and a rob roberts turkey choke and I have never seen a turkey die like that before. But his head hit the ground before his ass did and he did not flop at all. I mean, usually you shoot a turkey and you're running up to him to you know? No, no, I shot him and we all were just like, oh shit, and it was, it was. I've never seen a turkey die like like that. But it was a lot of fun, I love it.

Speaker 1: 27:10

I, I, that is absolutely like. First of all, just your storytelling right there made me feel like I was able to picture, like literally how it went down exactly. And to like Texas is like I I've been toas once, not for for a wedding, unfortunately, not to hunt like I gotta get down there to hunt, but it's, it's so different than the east coast, like you know, just their, their first of all, the creek, yet again, um, but you know their, their woods it's so thick and it's so green and I don't, I don't know like it. Just you said there's, there's so many things that can prick you and just poison you or or bite you or so many things could go wrong. I I feel, yeah, in texas, and it's so flat, like going from you know, north carolina, like are you in a flat, flatter area or is it still like mountains and ridging and hill country when you're hunting?

Speaker 2: 28:15

we're pretty flat here.

Speaker 1: 28:17

We're flat, yep so I know we're, we're not unless we're in south jersey, um, and you know, whenever I go to a place that's just so flat, it's like it just blows my mind like I I spent the first week hunting in the delaware water gap, so it's just mountains, you know. So it's just literally like, just straight up, just you're walking in mountains, you're you're killing yourself, you're like the sun's not even up and you're like am I literally about to pass out right now?

Speaker 1: 28:46

because, like, I've done a full workout and you know, just 20 minutes of walking and my cardio is so bad right now, like I, I need a break. And then you know, you hunt another area where it's just flat and it's like, wow, this is a piece of cake. Like I, I can walk for for miles and days, but in texas, sand, I imagine, gets everywhere. This dirt gets, gets everywhere and it's like it's not fun yeah no.

Speaker 2: 29:13

So it was flat, but it's sandy. So think about walking on the beach. I mean it was beach sand. It was not fun terrain, that's for sure. And it's funny because the guys they're like. They told me they're like everything here is going to poke you, poison you, stab you, cut you, and they were just like better yet, just don't touch anything, just walk, don't don't touch anything. So I was just walking and I was like that's a leaf, I shouldn't touch that. I don't even know what you know but, yeah, uh, the mountains man.

Speaker 2: 29:49

I've hunted the mountains here a couple times and you're right, it's just. Oh, my parents have a some mountain some land in the mountains in Virginia and um, I've hunted some birds there and, yeah, if you get, if you get to having the run and gun and walk in the mountains.

Speaker 1: 30:05

It is a different story, for sure yeah, it's um, you know, it's man, virginia, my one of our guys. Uh, he's, he's been all over this this year for for hunting. I think he's been virginia, maryland, vermont. Um, I think he's going back to maryland or virginia, you know, next week or something like that. But he was, you know, when we're at the Delaware water gap he's like, oh, this is nothing, you should see what it's like in Virginia.

Speaker 1: 30:30

I was like, no, I don't know if I want to. If you're telling me that this is nothing, like I don't think I want to go to Virginia right now, like that, that this is something to me. Like no, no, I'm, I'm good. Like I'll take this, I'll take this, but I don't know if I can do anything else. It's just so crazy.

Speaker 1: 30:49

But you know one thing also about Texas and why I feel like I would be so bad in Texas when I hate the heat. I am not a summer person, but I would want to touch everything just for my own curiosity. And I first of all know I'm clumsy as hell, so I know I would say, don't touch that. But somehow I'd either just be very curious and be like, oh, it's not really gonna do anything to me, or I would just trip and fall, or something like that, right into something that is going to hurt me, like like crazy. That that's the thing about the south. It's like everything wants to hurt you there where up north it's like it's beauty, it's, you know, it's life, you know we don't have sand and dirt everywhere, like everything is just, you know, it's, it's nice and cozy in a way. But um, to hunt birds like that I've I've heard people talk about all the time like you got to go down there to texas and hunt some birds and it's a remarkable hunt is it something you? You want to do again?

Speaker 2: 31:52

oh, for sure, for for sure. I really really enjoyed uh, texas, so I'm, I'm hoping I get to go back next year to hunt. Um, I'm, I'm definitely going to Florida next year. Next year Florida is on the calendar, so that's also another place. You may I don't know what the terrain down there you definitely have to go swimming down there for one, two and a condor two. I don't know.

Speaker 1: 32:20

Florida is another one that it's like I don't know, it's so humid, it's just disgusting. But everywhere you step, can kill you. I think you, I do think you should probably be right with the lord before you go turkey, hunting in florida right right like first you had to worry about alligators and venomous snakes and venomous spiders now they got big, they got big-ass pythons. Then they have. They don't call them mountain lions, but they're called what Pumas down there I think they call them pumas, don't they have panthers.

Speaker 1: 32:57

Okay, panthers, panthers yeah, they call them panthers, which we all know that mountain lions, panthers, all those the one thing that they're really good at is killing humans like that. We, we, we know that they're the one cat that is like you hear the horror stories, like cats in general. Just they're, they're killers, you know and yeah, and then they also have black bears too, which is always I always forget that florida, certain parts of of Florida, do have black bears and they have hogs.

Speaker 2: 33:27

So yeah, so we have hogs too and those things they're not nice. Yeah, oh yeah. We have hogs too, probably in the same county as me, brogdon, north Carolina. It's right on the Neuse River, but they are known for a lot of hogs. I don't think they we big hogs, but I think in texas they do get bigger. Um, but we're, yeah, we're full of them. We've got hogs all over the place too, so yeah, I, you know, now thinking about it.

Speaker 1: 33:57

We've we've talked to a couple guys from uh north carolina on this on this podcast. And you know one guy he talks about all the time. He's like, yeah, he carries a stick in with him when he goes because it's it's the spiders that are all on his like, that are on the trees and everything like that. So when you're walking in the pitch black, you know he just uses the tree, the, the stick and he's knocking down whatever webs. Like I don't know how y'all do it, I don't know what it's like for for you over, over where you are. I'm not 100 sure where he is. I would lose my shit if a spider like if I walk right, I already do now and I know we don't really have anything that's too serious here. But knowing the more south you go, the worst things get. I couldn't. I don't think I could do it. I honestly don't think I would hunt mornings until like it got, like it got decentlyently cold down down over there. I could, yeah, I couldn't do it.

Speaker 2: 34:52

I guess you just get used to what you get used to. I mean, you know, I know that I know the area here and we do a podcast at work every week and so I've gotten used to talking on a podcast. But it's so funny I can put I can talk to somebody like to y'all, doesn't bother me at all. But when we go to have to, like, talk to a camera to record a video about said product, I'm like yeah yeah.

Speaker 1: 35:21

I agree with you, like I remember when I first started this podcast awkward as hell, like it was weird. It does take getting used to and I can tell that you're. When we have somebody on, I can tell whether they're used to being on a podcast versus when they're not. And, like you're, you're just your energy has been like you know, cause this is what you do when you're out, you're at work. You know, I saw the podcast that you guys had just dropped, dropped recently, um, and it's, it's just a good flow. Um, yeah, but so what? Let's actually get into to what you do. So what do you do for work?

Speaker 2: 35:59

you work at the um, the outfitting company correct yeah, so I work at spring hill outfitters. We are a family-owned retail, outdoors retail store here in north carolina. Uh, we got one store um been around, for this will be our 21st year um in business and it's right here at home, I mean 10 minutes down the road. So, uh, it's been here for almost my whole life. Um, we celebrated.

Speaker 2: 36:27

We said we had like a 20 year party last year and, um, the some of the uh original owners came back and we got to talking and I was like it's so funny when I was eight years old working, or when I was eight years old and I would come to the store, I thought this was the coolest place ever, all this camo, and I was like this is, this is so cool and you know this job.

Speaker 2: 36:53

I, I'm, my job title is online sales director, so I manage the website and the inventory and the online sales and, uh, but I do go into the store and it's just so funny how everything comes around full circle and I'm working there now and I'm like I still think this is the coolest place ever. Um, so people, so I tell people like your online sales director and they're like, okay, cool, what do you? What do you do, and I'm like I actually I just get to sell guns and ammo all day. Really, guns, ammo, camo, I just that's what I get to do all day, and I get to sit around and talk about hunting and fishing. So I've got.

Speaker 1: 37:30

I literally have the best job in the world right, I was about to say that, like, what else can you really ask for for a job like that's kind of what I think everyone would love to do, like it's you. You just said everyone's dream, anyone who's hunting and fishing, like you said, their dream job. If they're not already already doing it, you know that's working in a, in a, in a in a store like that. Like yeah, I could, I would like to open up my own store, but I would like to work in a store first it's awesome, I will say.

Speaker 2: 38:03

I will say it's awesome, don't get me wrong. But I will say our busy season is hunting season.

Speaker 1: 38:09

Yeah, yeah, that is, that's true. I've, I've heard that.

Speaker 2: 38:14

Yeah, so when when I say I get zero sleep, I don't get any sleep when it comes to hunting season, Cause I mean, we're so busy at work but you're trying to hunt all at the same time and uh yeah it's a people don't realize that part that when hunting season is in, we're obviously pedal to the metal too.

Speaker 2: 38:37

So come, we can. Duck season comes in, um, duck season comes in labor day, weekend, and so midAugust until end of January when duck season ends, here it is full speed ahead. It is full speed and we get. February gets, you know, slows down a little bit. March is slows down a little bit. Turkey season comes in and we're same thing. You're trying to hunt, work all at the same time, and so's not. There's not a lot of downtime. You always, I always say it's funny, like okay, season's over with, I can relax for a minute. I find something else to get into. I end up offshore every weekend in the summer and just hot oh, that that's great.

Speaker 1: 39:21

That that you know, that's absolutely great. Um, you know, we we got a few more for you on the Turkey, turkey side of things. Listen, we would love to get you back on for for a couple more episodes. You know, go more into detail with waterfowl and some some other things with you as well, but with the but the Turkey aspect, you know what is. You said you're going to Florida, you would like to go back to texas, but is there anywhere else? Like, what is the one state that you, that you really want to hunt, that you? You know that's on the, the bucket list. The bucket list turkey hunt for you so I would.

Speaker 2: 39:59

I would say florida right now, that's my that's on, that's on my to-do list is texas or, excuse me, florida. Um, I think I think florida, they're just so an osceola, is just so hard pressed. Uh, down there, I mean, everybody is going down there to hunt and they just get pressed and I feel like it's going to be hard hunting and, um, that I I can't wait to get that done. I do. I would love to go to mexico. I would love to go to mexico.

Speaker 2: 40:32

Those are some pretty pretty yeah yeah, um, I haven't quite figured out how to make that possible yet. I'm sure I'm going to figure it out, um, but yeah, I'm ready for I am ready for florida next year.

Speaker 1: 40:46

So that's, that's, that's great. Can't wait to see uh, to see that too, as well from you, and you know best of luck when you do, when you do go to uh, florida. But, um, you know, do you remember the first bird you ever shot? Like, can you give us the the story of that, like how that went down and everything like that?

Speaker 2: 41:06

I will say that my first bird was not all that memorable for me. Just because of who I was with, it ended up not being fun. So the following year I was bound and determined to shoot a bird by myself.

Speaker 2: 41:25

I was like I don't want anybody with me, I don't want anybody else calling. I'm going to do this by myself, start to finish, and I practiced my calling all year long. I was I had back to the stress level part of this. I mean, I had put so much time and effort into this bird that once I finally shot it it was actually on my family's land and it was so foggy that morning. I knew where he was roosted and I knew he was going to come my way and it worked out that way this time.

Speaker 2: 42:12

But it was so foggy and I knew he was on the ground, but the fog was so thick that I couldn't see him for a long, long time. But I knew he was in the field, he was in the same field I was sitting in, but I couldn't see him. And, um, the fog started lifting and I could see him and it was like in my head, in my memory it was just a picture in a magazine and he, he came right to me and he had some hens with them and they were in front of them and I really wanted to let him get closer to me and, uh, the hens were in front of him and uh, they were getting closer to me and I was like they are going to blow me if I don't shoot him now. And I shot him at like 45 yards and I was. So I was standing in the middle of this field on this bird and I was just like I felt so, such a relief and just so proud that it everything all this stress and all this work and everything I was afraid about had just was right here in front of me and, uh, I got, I got my bird and I didn't have any service I don't have zero service up there and I got my bird and I didn't have any service I don't have zero service up there and I got my bird and I just walked a couple miles back to the house and, uh, my parents were actually there by the time I had gotten back and uh, my dad and I kind of like went knocked on the window and my mom was like, oh my god, she actually killed one.

Speaker 2: 43:47

And uh and it's so funny because my mom is not really the outdoors type but uh, after that she is all of a sudden all into turkeys. She knows everything she's. When I went to texas, she was like, are you gonna go shoot a rio? And I was like, why do you know what a Rio is? But that was honestly that. That Turkey ended up being my most memorable Turkey and that's what really got me going on Turkey hunting with that bird.

Speaker 1: 44:22

I was going to ask is that? Is that the one that you know that fuels and got?

Speaker 2: 44:27

you to where you're at now. Yes, lit a fire under me.

Speaker 1: 44:30

Yeah, for sure now one of the the the hardest things I think about turkey hunting is the vocalization and the calling. And when you practice for that whole year, you know what were some of the things that you were doing to help you.

Speaker 2: 44:49

You know, were you watching other people, youtube videos, or you were just, you know, just practice, practice how to call, but then kind of listening to some of my friends more so on when to call. So me I think I don't. I try not to call a lot. If I'm calling, I don't, I don't call that much. If he gobbles I'll yell or gobble back or something, but I'm not going to be making too much sound if nothing's responding to me.

Speaker 1: 45:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:28

You know, I mean that's just, it's just a waste. So yeah, and honestly, turkey calling it's like I said that turkey gobbled at that windmill creaking and you think you have to sound just like a turkey and honestly you really don't. I mean it's funny. I have a friend or I know somebody who will take his spec call to locate birds, which is it's like why are they gobbling that spec call?

Speaker 2: 46:03

I don't know, but that's he will take his spec call and they'll to locate birds and that's you don't like. Why, I don't know, but it works back to that. They're so dumb, they're unpredictable things.

Speaker 1: 46:14

There you go yeah, yeah, and I've heard that so often, it's people want to sound like perfect, but there is no perfect really. In the in the Turkey woods, like, even like my, my buddy said like oh yeah, like you're, you're, you think you have a, a, a, a person calling, and it actually is a hen and it sounded so awful and just off and it and that was an actual bird actually calling. And people just have this in this mindset that they, and even me too, like I think it's big part because of you know, with deer hunting. You know, it seems like with deer hunting you do have to sound like a a certain way and you have to sound more realistic than than not, but with turkey hunting it seems like kind of like you, you need to know when to do it like you said in the beginning, it's more about when to call than really how much you sound like a turkey or not.

Speaker 1: 47:15

Um, so yeah, when to call, I think is bigger than in turkey hunting than how to call yeah, and you know, one of the guys said, and you, you know that we talked to it's like you need to. Also, especially this time of year, is to speak to the hens and communicate with the hens, not really talking to the gobbler.

Speaker 2: 47:35

You really want to talk to the hen, especially if that gobbler is hung up with hens oh yeah, oh yeah, for sure, if they're, if, because they're gonna, like you said, if they're already on hens, you're not going to get them away from that hen. You're not going to pull them away from that hen. So try figure out how to get that hand to come to you and he will come to for sure yeah, definitely now New. Jersey. Can y'all use decoys?

Speaker 1: 48:03

Yes, yes, we can use decoys, yeah, yeah, yeah, we now everyone's different. I know Frank. He's running a hen and a tom decoy. I'm running two hens.

Speaker 1: 48:20

If I was on private and you know me and one of our guys, we feel the same way, like if we were on private we would definitely run a Tom decoy.

Speaker 1: 48:30

But I just don't trust people and that's where it really comes to Like I don't. I don't trust people and this year especially alone, like we've, there's been a lot more hunters, it seems like, out there this year than than every any other year, especially when we're we're doing the whole run and gun style like and moving all up on these mountain and everything like that. Like I don't really want to be dragging or carrying around a Tom, oh for sure. But I will say this last week be weak for us. The decoys actually hurt us and the Tom and spooked the decoys because we think it was pressured in that first week so much that they just already got accustomed to those decoys and knew something was up right away. So I'm not running any more decoys for the rest of the year, mostly like not at all, and I think I really only use them for the first week, you know, unless I have a piece of private or something like that.

Speaker 2: 49:31

I'm not a big decoy fan on the turkey hunting side of things. I think for some people it works. For me I just haven't had good luck Like you said. I think it's been more. They end up getting spooked by more than they have worked for me. So I'm just screw the decoy. I'll try it without it.

Speaker 1: 49:49

But yeah, and you, and it's crazy because you say you're, you're a new hunter, right? Or you're a new turkey hunter. When you go on youtube and listen not knocking anyone but when you watch these big companies, what are they doing? They're sitting in a ground, blind for the most part, and they have decoys out in front of them. That doesn't work it. Yes, opening day, opening, you know, the first two days that week, yeah, okay, I, I understand. Or if it's their own private property, like all right, you're not pressuring it, like you are on public land. But if you're on public land, look at all those other hunters that are doing the same exact thing as you. These birds understand that. Yeah, you know what If it's unpressured, after a week or two, well, they probably forget. I, I would imagine so. But within that week they're not forgetting and they know something is up and it just it does you hear about it? It hurts a lot more people. Um, later in the years as you go. So, yeah, I'm not gonna. Even.

Speaker 2: 50:57

There's no point of even running it from from now on till the till the end of the season yeah, and I don't know about you guys up there when your birds are really hot and heavy and I know the Wildlife Commission and everybody has a reason for why seasons are when they are. But I really, really wish North Carolina would bump us up into March, at least two weeks, because in March they are hot, they are everywhere and by the time our season gets here, you know if you shoot, if you're going to shoot one, it's probably going to be within the first week or two. After that it's tough. It's tough. They, like you said, they've been pressured, they already made it there. They, like you said, they've been pressured, they've already made it. They're really right now they're not talking, they don't care. It's hard, hard hunting later into the season for us and I just wish we would get moved up just a little bit into March.

Speaker 3: 51:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 51:57

And then some states are different.

Speaker 1: 52:00

Yes, it's crazy how different it can. It can be built like you guys. Like you guys start so much earlier than than us and you know, I think a lot of hunters will say in New Jersey and you know Frankie hunts a lot of upstate New York, but usually we would want to start a little earlier because we kind of missed that window. From what I'm getting from from a lot of people over the years. Now I've heard from a lot of people this year that they haven't heard, uh, birds gobbling this year. I actually cannot. I've saying the opposite this year and it could just be.

Speaker 1: 52:38

I got really lucky and I was just hunting areas where the birds were. You know they hadn't made it yet. Like I legit saw a tom mounting a hen last tuesday. Right now everywhere else people are like oh, birds are not goblin, birds are real quiet. Yada, yada, yada. I've been hearing birds for the these last last two weeks. Now I'm going out, most likely tomorrow. Am I expecting the same thing? I, honestly it might. It might be a little quiet for me starting next week, but this isn't the norm. I would say, you know, it could just be. I've just got really lucky this year.

Speaker 3: 53:16

I ran into that problem with the state. I went out the first day and I heard like two gobbles the whole day.

Speaker 1: 53:23

That was it yeah so it's, I don't know. It's like you said, the the game commission, they, they got their own and I I think at the end of the day, people are not. I think, whatever they do, people are not going to like it at the end of the day, like there's probably people that love it at the time that it is and there's going to be people that want it earlier, maybe want it. I mean, I can't really say people want it later, but there might be someone out there that that wants it, you know later and there's, you know, can you guys? Can you guys hunt um past 12 o'clock or hunt on sunday?

Speaker 2: 54:01

we can. We could hunt turkeys here on sunday and we could hunt all day here in north carolina and virginia the first two weeks or three weeks, first half of the season, you can't hunt, uh, after lunch there. So it's different everywhere and then, like in alabama, the first two weeks of season, you can't use a decoy the rest of the season.

Speaker 3: 54:22

Oh, wow.

Speaker 2: 54:22

Yeah, everybody has, everybody's a little different.

Speaker 3: 54:26

That's interesting yeah.

Speaker 1: 54:29

I would like to speak to somebody from Alabama that could tell me why. Because whenever you hear these interesting laws and everything, I'm like, I'm just so curious, like why, I just want to know why, just for my own.

Speaker 2: 54:41

Yeah, so curious to like, why? Like I just want to know why, just for my own, like, yeah, and well I, with that being said, everybody I know who hunts in Alabama or that's from Alabama, they don't own a decoy at all. They don't use a decoy ever, so I don't think they really care so yeah, yeah, definitely, and I think it's.

Speaker 1: 54:58

I think it's the one thing that you know. You don't really need them to hunt turkeys. That's why you don't use them. And look at the success that you've had and a lot of people that I know. I'm pretty sure my buddy, justin, shot one today and I don't think he used a decoy at all. I almost shot one last tuesday or whenever no decoy, because the day before the decoy just ruined our, our hunt, you know, and I was able to get close even after shooting to a whole nother turkey on, you know, further on the other side of the property. So there's pros and cons, but I don't it's. It's just one of those interesting things about the rules and the laws and like we can't fan, like we can't use fanning decoys, you know we can't, we can't stalk, um, you know, and it's so interesting.

Speaker 2: 55:57

I feel like that would be very hard to regulate.

Speaker 1: 56:01

It is. It is. That's why I think there's a, I think there's a huge gray area when it comes to that. There's too much gray area there, yeah, so that's why, like literally, when we find birds and we hear a gobble, it's kind of like all right, we're sitting our asses down, we'll put out a decoy and there you go, because we're not trying to get into any bit of trouble right, wow you know, it actually happened to them.

Speaker 3: 56:30

They saw the birds they're walking. I guess somebody else was on the birds saw it happen. They actually shot the bird. They got it. About an hour later the game warden showed up to their house and gave him a ticket for stalking the bird because they were somebody else was watching I'd be so mad they were that is so crazy.

Speaker 2: 56:53

That is so crazy to me they're like I was.

Speaker 3: 56:56

They literally said they're like we pulled in the parking lot. The birds were out in the field. I walked, I walked, you know, to the hedgerow and I shot the bird and the game warren's like nope, you approached it, you're done and and I'd be like well, what would you like me to do?

Speaker 1: 57:16

like I can't hunt from the parking lot. Like I can't hunt from the parking lot, like I can't hunt from the like, so what would you want me to do? Like there, there's nothing really else that I don't know. There's a lot of laws, yeah.

Speaker 2: 57:29

So basically, if you see a bird, I mean, yeah, that that is mind blowing to me. That is very hard to comprehend. How do you hunt?

Speaker 1: 57:40

Listen we're. I Very hard to comprehend. How do you hunt? Listen we're I just got a great idea. So we do, ashley.

Speaker 1: 57:45

We do a a segment every like couple months. It's a round table segment where I get a bunch of different people on and we just you know BS and we talk. We should do a round table segment where everyone like finds like weird or ridiculous hunting laws and we bring it up for discussion on the podcast and we all talk about it because I imagine every state has such weird laws that the other state does not have. That I think it would blow everyone's mind and the amount of like nonsense that whatever state like it just felt like and like that. That that's one of those things that you know frank just said it's like you're really gonna bust somebody for that when everything they did was was correct in what most a lot of states and there was nothing else that he could have done. It's not like.

Speaker 1: 58:41

You know he saw these birds from you know, a mile away and literally hands and knees, you know was able to creep 20 yards up to it and then boom, shoot it and, gosh forbid, hit somebody else. Like no pellet hit anyone else, anything like that. Like he parked, saw birds Cool, I need to get into a shooting position. Got to the hedgerow, which is great cover, which you would normally do with any other animal, and then you took a shot.

Speaker 2: 59:10

Yep, well, I'm going to go ahead and I already know mine for North Carolina. I already know my regulation that I would cut we can't hunt waterfowl on Sunday. That I would cut, we can't hunt waterfowl on Sunday?

Speaker 1: 59:26

I don't think we can either. I don't think we can either, but you can hunt birds, which makes no sense. So you can hunt turkeys on Sunday, but you can't hunt waterfowl on Sunday.

Speaker 2: 59:35

We can't hunt waterfowl, we can't hunt migratory birds, so even dove season. So typically our dove season comes in. It's a little different this year with how labor day falls and how north carolina does it. We usually come in the saturday of labor day weekend, but how the september falls, what it's not going to. Yeah, so we can't hunt doves on sundays. We can't hunt ducks on sunday. Yeah, yeah, so that sucks. They've talked about changing it. There's people who don't want it changed. I don't know.

Speaker 3: 1:00:06

I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:00:06

I remember in my lifetime, just in my lifetime, we couldn't hunt on Sundays at all okay, so I was gonna ask that could you hunt deer, on Sunday. Okay, okay, yeah, so that's been changed, but in my life, in my memorable lifetime, that has been changed. So I've.

Speaker 1: 1:00:23

I've heard you know from certain people why they're opposed to hunting on Sunday. Because you know that's their one day where they know they don't have to, you know, take off of work, or you know that they they have set aside for the family, you know. So it doesn't cause any other issues. But I don't see, if you're someone who can't hunt during the week, I don't see why you wouldn't want to be able to hunt on Sunday If Saturday is like your only day that you can get out. I don't see to me, you know. I don't see why you wouldn't want to. And I'm not saying you could easily do a morning hunt and then still have time with your family or do everything else that you could later in the day, or vice versa well, I mean in my head if you don't think it is right to hunt on sundays, then don't hunt on sundays you could stay at home it's fine, but I mean

Speaker 2: 1:01:21

we will be out hunting sunday, don't worry I will be there on a sunday, yeah, yeah sometimes I would go ahead no go ahead. No, I was gonna say the people who the people who probably don't want it changed are the people who can hunt during the week whenever they want to and don't have to take off work, and it's not that big of a deal anyways, uh that's true the most of us.

Speaker 2: 1:01:49

Most of us work monday through friday. Uh, so you got to take off work to get a day in during the week. So I mean, I don't know it's. Most states can hunt on Sundays.

Speaker 1: 1:02:03

Yeah, I think it's just something that they all states should, should, probably do, you know, and I don't, I don't think we can hunt waterfowl on Sunday either. I would have to double check that. So the next time, you know, when we do this huge discussion, you know we'll, I'll bring, I'll bring it up and I'll, I'll definitely confirm with you. But, um, you know, actually I think you know, unless, frank, you got any more questions you want to ask I mean, this was a a fun as hell episode I will definitely say that.

Speaker 2: 1:02:34

Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1: 1:02:36

Of course, listen anytime. Um, you know we'll. We'll definitely have to get you on for for, you know, definitely a couple more. We'll have to get you on for a roundtable segment where we talk about these ridiculous ass rules and then, you know, definitely a waterfowl episode with you as well. But we definitely appreciate you coming on. Anything else you want to say before we head off?

Speaker 2: 1:02:58

I don't have anything. I've been running my mouth for a solid hour now, I know so you.

Speaker 1: 1:03:04

You made it very easy for us and we always and that's yet again, you do your own, you guys have your your podcast, so it makes it a lot easier where people are like oh, did I ramble too much? I want you to ramble more. I, yeah, like you make the episode better when people just talk and just they just keep going like don't worry, that's why you're on, we want to hear you talk yeah so, um, listen yet again.

Speaker 1: 1:03:32

Thank you so much for coming on everyone. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. The link in the description below go check her out on instagram. Great, great, great content. I mean listen first of all. You guys are going to see when we get her back on. There's a lot of Waterfowl content, turkey stuff, things like that. It is phenom. Go check out the website. What is it? Spring spring hill outfitterscom.

Speaker 2: 1:04:05

Yeah when it comes to, when it comes to outdoor stuff, if we can't get it, I'm probably gonna say nobody can. So we've got the sitka and the bottom land and the banelis and the berettas.

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So yeah, go check us out definitely, definitely, and you know, hope you guys enjoy this episode and we'll see you guys next time.