Will AI Put Creatives Out of Business? with Slater Moore

Today, we're thrilled to have Slater Moore (@slatermoorephotography), a marine and land wildlife photographer and videographer, who recently reached over 1 million subscribers on YouTube, as our special guest. In this episode, we explore the potential impact of AI on commercial photographers and videographers, emphasizing the enduring value of human-created content with regards to artistic expression. Slater shares insights on securing retainer contracts with local businesses and discusses. We discuss how big lenses and gear are becoming engaging props and acting as "the hook" in short form video content. Additionally, we revisit the debate surrounding vertical versus horizontal content, contemplating their respective merits within modern content consumption trends and engagement dynamics. 

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Transcript

INTRO:

00:00.00
smacey
Hello and welcome back to another episode of the photographer mindset podcast I'm your co-host Seth Macey we're both wildlife photographers do the odd airbnb we gotten into some video recently you've been a funny man recently with your with your reels. We don't need to tongue.

00:04.91
aaronmannes
And I'm your co-host Aaron Mannes

00:15.36
aaronmannes
I Do what I can.

00:18.67
smacey
We don't need to talk about it anymore. What do we do on the show. What do we do.

00:20.96
aaronmannes
We pretty much talk about my reels and it drives Seth crazy every time. No listen. We talk about photography. We talk about the mindset I think we always try to tie it into the mindset and how to become the best versions of ourselves as creators as ourselves.

00:36.72
smacey
A.

00:40.23
aaronmannes
As whole people and we just tried to share our experiences and our guest experiences with all of you.

00:46.20
smacey
Um, in hopes that any you know nuggets of knowledge you can apply to your own practice and reach your own creative full potential I think that's just it not what other people expect you to be not what you you know, not comparing yourself to others your own full creative potential today we had on slater more. Again for the third time we're trying to make our way through the guests now that we have video and since we have video you should go subscribe to that Youtube channel if you want to see full-length episodes. Um, you know sometimes it's just nice to have a visual cue you can subscribe to the channel by clicking the link in our episode description here. So yeah, it was Slater's third time on the show I had just we haven't had him back on since I was just out in December filming and shooting whales on his boat. It was an awesome time. He just did a million subscribers on Youtube even though he feels weird about it. We talk a little bit about that. He's an incredible wildlife photographer both marine and land mammals. Ah, he knows a ton of stuff about filming he knows a ton of stuff about whales. He just recently you know landed a few social media gigs creating content for companies and you know he's despite the giant numbers. He's learning just like the rest of us I think it can be deceptive those numbers sometimes right where we think oh big numbers. They've got it all together and. Ah, the goal isn't to have it all together. The goal is to continually be improving and learning and slater does just that and I'm proud to call him a good friend. So should we get into the episode right away. Do you have anything else dad.

02:12.94
aaronmannes
No, he's just a great guy. Great energy. He a pleasure to talk with. We went in a long time on this episode just because I think we're having fun as friends. So hopefully hopefully you guys enjoy it and yeah, enjoy.

02:27.00
smacey
Um, let's do it. Word from the sponsor and then right into it.

INTERVIEW:

03:11.87
Slater Moore
Hey thanks for having me back.

03:20.10
smacey
So now people can see your pretty face Aaron actually complimented you on your beard. You two have very similar beards. That's why Aaron complimented you because it's a reflection of him.

03:26.19
aaronmannes
That's right look Slater look right at the camera and.

03:27.90
Slater Moore
Um, action. That's how you it's like 1 way to be a true wildlife photographer I think of a beard I need I need to show mine up.

03:34.20
aaronmannes
You need a beard accentuate the I feel like it could be stuff.

03:39.00
smacey
Mine's not even close to being up to yours. It could I can grow a mean 1 but the problem is my mustache grows in a lot thicker first. So I got to trim it at like half the length for it to be looking uniform. Anyways, this isn't about beards. But.

03:51.68
aaronmannes
Yeah, um, the beard podcasts. Yeah.

03:55.89
smacey
Beard podcast yeah, we should start a shy show sideshow. Um, last time he had Slater on I was going to visit him on his in the state of California I went out on his boat and he had the he had the audacity to get me seasick I think he did it on purpose. But.

04:03.79
aaronmannes
Now.

04:15.17
smacey
You know we saw some whales what else do we see Rizzos and then I turned green.

04:17.50
Slater Moore
Yeah Rizzos rizzes dolphins and humpback whale I feel so bad you got seasick yet. Normally people really people tend not to get seasick on smaller boats for the most part I think it's just more of a like you're in it.

04:24.54
smacey
He goes only 2 photographers on my boat have ever bought gotten seasick I'm like thanks man.

04:35.51
aaronmannes
Um, um.

04:36.91
Slater Moore
Like the bigger boats have a slow like rocking roll. You know what? I mean and so it's not like the smaller boat. You're just kind of more I don't know I.

04:43.28
aaronmannes
I don't know the smaller ones get me Seth no.

04:47.72
smacey
Um, yeah I felt like it wasn't a washing machine but best best sea captain there is out there book a book a whale watching tour with your with our man here. Slater help take your csick bills. Yeah yeah.

04:55.31
Slater Moore
Take your seasick pills I guess.

04:57.42
aaronmannes
I.

05:01.45
smacey
Was awesome man but we're glad to have you back and I have some topics for us today. Um, true or false you have not been briefed on this episode true. Okay, we're going to talk about the exact thing you told me not to talk about which is your 1000000 subscribers on Youtube.

05:08.69
aaronmannes
True.

05:10.10
Slater Moore
Change true.

05:20.42
Slater Moore
I Didn't say you can't talk about it I just said is that? Thank you, Thank you.

05:20.82
aaronmannes
Um, that's real cool.

05:21.53
smacey
Congratulations.

05:26.45
smacey
Ah I know you didn't to be fair, he's like we're not going to talk about that too much are we and I was like you know what? this is a great point. You're like because a million subscribers on Youtube Super impressive super big accomplishment. But you're like it doesn't bring me anything.

05:28.96
Slater Moore
Oh it's a good. It is a good point.

05:43.42
Slater Moore
It's true. It's kind of like I feel like I know how to put it all. It says is that I was able to post or edit hundreds of videos and schedule them to post every morning for like an entire year and you know some of them do 100 and

05:43.82
smacey
Doesn't do anything for me. Really.

06:00.99
Slater Moore
20000000 plus views and people hit the subscribe button. It's just not. It's not the same as getting the subscribers on the long form content like I just don't think these people are.

06:08.26
smacey
What do you mean.

06:16.10
Slater Moore
I Don't know I don't know why they're hitting subscribe honestly like they're not I don't think they're like consistent view or they're They're not like becoming fans. You know what? I mean of your work I think they just see something awesome and they like it. You know what? I mean.

06:29.21
smacey
Um, right? and you feel like that's actually worse.

06:30.25
Slater Moore
I I feel like it's worse also like depends on where you're getting these views from too and it's not no offense to the places but like there's just more people in some different places so like a lot of my views aren't from weren't from United States or like can it.

06:41.41
smacey
A.

06:47.98
smacey
Um, they're India mostly right right.

06:49.30
Slater Moore
Yeah, like a lot of them are from India which is great but for like adsense or like making money right? It's not they're not paying as much for ads over there I assume.

06:53.91
aaronmannes
Yeah.

06:57.22
smacey
So I guess in in in in an essence. We talked about this a lot. The reward was you like you just said I edited all the time I posted every day and I got a nice cool plaque. Not the reward isn't the one.

07:06.86
Slater Moore
Yeah, black is cool though. Like.

07:12.44
smacey
The Plaque The reward isn't the plaque though. It's kind of a symbolic representation of being committed every single day right? But I think so many people are striving for I Want a million subscribers I Want a million followers but like you should be focused on making something cool every single day.

07:16.10
Slater Moore
Yeah consistency. Yeah.

07:27.53
Slater Moore
Yeah, the plaque is cool though. Ah like compared to the 100000 it's funny because when I opened it I was expect I didn't expect anything actually and I opened it up and the hundred thousand one is like I don't know an 8 by 12 and the.

07:30.45
smacey
Ah.

07:42.21
Slater Moore
Other one is like almost a 16 by 24 so it's like much bigger so was like a big black on the wall. Yeah yeah, they just you just like log into Youtube and they're like you can submit for your plaque and you just hit some you just log into your Google Adsense account and then submit it.

07:47.24
smacey
Um, oh really.

07:47.30
aaronmannes
That's cool. They give that to you is it just goes up.

07:57.69
aaronmannes
Very cool now.

07:59.47
smacey
Instagram gives them out now too when you hit a million followers. Yeah I saw a video I saw ah a real and this guy in the background had his plaque I was like whoa I didn't know they did that it's a million followers. It's this magician who reveals magic tricks.

08:00.90
Slater Moore
Oh really.

08:11.95
aaronmannes
Um, ah.

08:12.12
Slater Moore
Dang it Maybe he printed his own.

08:17.50
aaronmannes
Ah, maybe magic.

08:17.38
smacey
Maybe but this leads into another topic you know Slater and I phone each other. Maybe what 2 3 times a week when I answer I answer.

08:25.50
Slater Moore
Yeah, when you answer is a canadian guy just you can't even call him on the regular cell phone either. You know what? I mean you have to hit him with the Facetime audio.

08:34.24
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, it's true. It's true.

08:37.69
smacey
Ah, to be fair, most of my day. The phone is like out of reach on purpose because I can't help myself. It's got to be out of reach. It's got to be so inconvenient for me to go get so that I can focus on what I'm trying to do otherwise I'm just so sucked into.

08:45.38
Slater Moore
The app.

08:55.47
smacey
All the crap of the internet. You know what? I mean.

08:57.12
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

08:57.49
Slater Moore
Yeah, but then you you miss out on his amazing video that he's been creating amazing videos that he's been creating aaron.

09:04.38
smacey
Who me or Aaron Aaron's video. Yeah, we don't need to talk about Aaron's videos First it was a six Thousand millimeter now it's a one million millimeter next one's going to be like him on the moon. He's going to get a green screen and put himself on set on like the moon or something or I'm going to be on the moon.

09:04.40
aaronmannes
No sex, No sexism.

09:13.46
Slater Moore
Ah I'm buying one I have to switch to Tony I guess but.

09:16.67
aaronmannes
Ah.

09:22.41
Slater Moore
For him.

09:22.61
smacey
Like wiping the lens. Yeah, the sad part about Aaron's reels is that I've gotten more likes on my comment on his real than I have in my last 10 to 15 posts combined my comment on is real I get a new notification I'm like it's like 3000 people now like your.

09:22.83
aaronmannes
Um, to be sick. Yeah, ah.

09:34.94
aaronmannes
Ah.

09:36.40
Slater Moore
Um, ah.

09:39.67
smacey
I'm just riding his coattails. It's sad, but you know what my engagement has gone up like views on my page and I haven't even posted anything in a week because people are like oh who's the person who made the top comment I'm like 1 of those like.

09:41.27
aaronmannes
Yeah.

09:41.45
Slater Moore
Dude, it's good. Someone's got to do it.

09:50.82
aaronmannes
Um, the drip.

09:51.74
Slater Moore
Like ooh that guy gets to hang out thereon.

09:56.37
smacey
Yeah, that guy hangs with Mr Mantis whoa so cool no I'm one of those ah I'm one of those you'll know what it is because you're a marine wildlife guy. What's the things that attach to the sharks and clean it.

10:05.26
Slater Moore
I don't know a some type of Paris is site a rome more or ramorra you mean you mean like a romora you can be a barnacle like a whale.

10:08.86
aaronmannes
Yeah, not so finished. It's just it's symbiotic. But I don't know I don't know if you're doing.

10:12.66
smacey
Um, you just call me in Paris that you're off the show.

10:18.29
smacey
The great whites swimming through the water and there's just the people cleaning the teeth and stuff just keeping a low key Aaron's gonna get smacked by an orca. So.

10:22.00
Slater Moore
Have their ramorras and like pilot fishing stuff follow around typically.

10:25.79
aaronmannes
Yeah. That stuff's cool. That's been in the news huh this pod attacking the great whites in South Africa gotcha

10:30.45
Slater Moore
Could happen. Yeah I think it's in a documentary if it's it's it's because it came out in that documentary from Nat Geo I think.

10:43.20
smacey
There's been a lot of cool stuff filmed out your way recently. Ace Later didn't Adam Ernster get the orcapod attacking a blue whale. Yeah did you see that eron it's ah.

10:47.47
Slater Moore
Yeah, yeah, you got to have him on and talk about that because it's pretty insane I think he might he might be ah he has to pull it off I think I think he's selling the footage. So.

10:52.78
aaronmannes
I didn't I don't know if I saw that one. No.

11:02.46
smacey
For like an astronomical amount I Met good point right? because they'll they'll ask for exclusivity right.

11:04.38
Slater Moore
I Don't yeah like look now. Otherwise it's gonna be gone I'm pretty sure it yeah from what I've heard. They've already they already have so it should come off. Hopefully hopefully it comes off because that's really good for him if it does.

11:08.81
aaronmannes
Um.

11:16.95
aaronmannes
Um, Wow yeah.

11:19.50
smacey
That's pretty crazy I saw another article about gray whale spotted in The Atlantic I didn't even know that all the way up. They're going up and around wow.

11:20.78
Slater Moore
Yeah, that's super cool I mean you like you realize these gray wills have to go all the way up and around like they're going. Yeah like they're going up around the arctic and going down. Yeah, there was 1

11:33.68
aaronmannes
Um, wow.

11:37.56
Slater Moore
Also seen um I thought a few years back or something off of like Gibraltar. Um I don't know I want to say it's like below Spain or something I'd have to look. But yeah.

11:45.60
smacey
Um I have no idea where that is.

11:47.39
aaronmannes
I'll Gibraltar.

11:51.73
smacey
Lot of cool stuff going on though. It just goes to show you got to go out. You know you got to be out got to be out but you've been trying to change your content up really lately huh and where I was getting it before we.

11:56.60
Slater Moore
Got to go outside.

12:07.13
smacey
Got sidetracked by Eraron's amazing funniness and he's ah yeah, Mr. Celebrity there. He's so good looking and he's so funny and he's so smart. Great beard. Yeah yeah, yeah, whatever. Um, you've been we talking the phone a lot and we've been talking about how you I guess you were where you was it fair to say you were kind of getting frustrated because you've been putting out such good content with.

12:11.41
aaronmannes
Great beard.

12:26.13
smacey
Coyotes mousing and bobcats and stuff like that and it just flops on your page sometimes because everyone on your page is there for whales right? you.

12:31.70
Slater Moore
Yeah, it's not I'm not I'm not yeah I'm not frustrated in the fact that the content's not doing well I'm more frustrated in the fact of my so like that I spent so much time. Devoted to like 1 animal because it's been my job like working for whale watch boats fishing boats and then my own whale watchboat and so I've devoted so much time to one animal when I love all wildlife like we like to photograph. Yeah I like to photograph we like to photograph everything landscapes wildlife nature and so.

12:50.15
smacey
A.

13:00.64
smacey
Right.

13:03.79
Slater Moore
I've just devoted so much time to building a very specific like whale niche that somehow I feel like Instagram or like whatever these algorithms like knows this and if I don't put something out. It just doesn't get the re if I don't put out a whale I mean it just doesn't seem to get the reach.

13:19.17
smacey
Right? Are you almost regretful of posting too much whale stuff or no because it brought you a lot of income too when there was bonus reels right.

13:25.13
Slater Moore
Um, I'm not yeah like no so that's the thing is it's yeah, it's hitter missed with whales like whales are so unique and I think they're like unfathomable for most people like they're really weird like you know I mean it's very unique animal to like go out and watch. Um, but I don't. I don't regret it? No I just think that I I the only thing I would do now is if I was starting over and like what I tell other people to do that I see that are like doing the well thing is I tell them to like mix it up and show like birds and other things that are on the water because it's just like you just I think we always I don't know we so always hear like oh. Stay in your niche right? like focus on your 1 niche. But I think that if you like are more well rounded. It might be even better at least just for photography. You know what I mean shit. Yeah.

14:10.21
smacey
Then you're not boxed in it reminds me kind of of ah, an artist whose first album is incredibly good and then their second album is amazing as well. But that's not what got the fans and you're like what do I do now.

14:21.81
Slater Moore
Yeah.

14:25.20
smacey
Do you have those moments like what do I do do I just keep on keeping on. Do I start a whole new Instagram page. Do I just say screw and post whales and you know where are you kind of at with this.

14:35.60
Slater Moore
I I feel like that's what I'm talking about inside my head on a regular basis. Yeah I Love Filmy I like I basically just like using the camera and so yeah, yeah, I've been doing car stuff been doing um lot more trying to do a lot more like land.

14:40.30
smacey
Um, right you do cars you do the? ah you do the car show every year

14:51.92
Slater Moore
Animals especially ever since we went to Churchill it's just like so much fun because it's just in general like we talked about before switching more to video it feels like there's a whole new fresh. Um, like you can. There's just more for me to shoot again. You know what I mean.

14:52.97
smacey
Um, right? yeah.

15:09.26
Slater Moore
Not that I've shot and everything with photos I haven't but you know what I mean like just shots that I've already gone I can go and try to get on film now which is cool.

15:10.81
smacey
Um, right.

15:15.15
smacey
Right? So if you thought about just to come back to this if you thought about what you want to do in terms of your socials because you're not going to stop putting out content that isn't whales and I hope you don't I've been your voice on your shoulder saying don't stop like who cares if it gets like 10000 plays which is not a lot for you right.

15:23.91
Slater Moore
Ah, no I will and know.

15:33.24
Slater Moore
I I feel like right now I'm going back to I want to shoot I want to shoot photos more again I want to ah be very hybrid now and I'm trying to change up my profile and I don't know if you guys noticed but in the last few days I'm trying to like bring up old photos and like change up the way my grid looks.

15:33.49
smacey
Like.

15:51.14
Slater Moore
And split the like photography and video and like do video stuff that has to do with like any kind of animal and do video stuff that has to do with like maybe teaching whales wildlife nature just like fun stuff that I want to create and then keep my photography page separate you know and I think that's kind of where I want to go right Now. Just. Kind of separate the 2 but still diversify as far as like what I'm shooting. Um I don't know if I'll bring like cars and stuff to my page just it just kind of doesn't make sense as a a nature person to start showing you know Bougie cars that people right around in.

16:15.62
smacey
Um, yeah, like right? um.

16:20.21
aaronmannes
Um, you can right.

16:26.22
smacey
Right? There's such thing as being too niche and such thing as being too broad. Yeah I'm looking at your most your last 9 posts. You have an owl whale leopard coyote orca you're also doing I've seen this trend like um maybe it's not a trend. Maybe this is just an artistic choice for you. But you're good right now you're posting.

16:28.27
Slater Moore
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

16:43.40
smacey
With the matting around the image right? The white. What's that about.

16:45.36
Slater Moore
Yeah, it's it's definite I Just I personally um, saw like a lot of other photographers doing it. It just looks clean I think it's an easy. Yeah, he's doing it. There's a lot So a lot of people that I've now followed in the film.

16:55.42
smacey
Isn't Peter Mckinnon doing this.

17:02.75
Slater Moore
Like the photography film like thirty five Millimeter you know like that niche are um, using that Matt I think it looks really cool I think I don't sell very many prints which again people probably think you do when you got a million million subscribers but I don't sell very many prints and so I think it's a cool way to kind of.

17:13.13
smacey
Um, right? yeah right.

17:20.35
Slater Moore
Show your photos off as like they're matted. You know, kind of fine art. It does look clean I think it looks clean and classy. Um, yeah.

17:22.30
smacey
Right? Aaron's looking Aaron what do you think.

17:25.36
aaronmannes
Yeah, it does look good. It does look good for sure I've always been attracted to that style I Just always thought I'm losing Square footage. You know.

17:34.22
Slater Moore
Yeah, you are exactly and like that was the whole problem right? The whole thing was like you need to crop your photos 8 by 10 or you know four by 5 so you get as much real estate and your photography but then like dude same with video and photos is like you lose so much of an image. You don't you're not.

17:44.99
smacey
A a.

17:52.53
Slater Moore
You're just shooting portraits. At this point you know four by 5 is just a zoomed cropped in on an animal's face. You know you're losing a whole background.

17:56.91
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, yeah.

17:59.11
smacey
Yeah I ran into a problem when I did my first calendar I was like U Oh I have nothing so I had to actually yeah.

18:03.32
Slater Moore
Yeah, yeah, were you shooting like Portrait on the camera. Do you do that? You'd like So you're holding your camera that way most of the time. Yeah, yeah, most of the time I'll just crop in especially with.

18:07.27
aaronmannes
Ah, that's funny.

18:16.80
smacey
Yeah I take it. You're just cropping in then based on you asking that question. Yeah, no, my my hand was like permanently twisted you know.

18:22.94
Slater Moore
With whales I kind of have to yeah so.

18:26.65
aaronmannes
Yeah I'm more like Slater I crop in a bit but unless it really suits the image I'm not like Nooch Nooch only shoots vertical pretty much. Yeah, yeah.

18:36.13
smacey
Really.

18:38.91
Slater Moore
My wife does that she she she like can't she just ah turns a wrist every time like she there's no stopping her but it's not even for Instagram that's just what she likes like I think she likes ah like the top and bottom of the frame like yeah.

18:44.00
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, yeah.

18:46.70
smacey
Um, it's just instinct all right? What makes sense like if you're going to be looking at it on the phone. It's bigger unless you turn your phone sideways I get it.

18:53.60
aaronmannes
Um, ah I get it.

18:57.21
Slater Moore
Yeah.

18:59.24
aaronmannes
Are.

19:01.49
smacey
I also get that some photos are not meant for for vertical same with I I don't know how I feel about filming a video that's meant for Instagram and then doing the turn your phone sideways thing like shouldn't it.

19:17.20
Slater Moore
I Just filmed one like that the other day.

19:21.53
aaronmannes
I would just shit on your video. Ah.

19:23.20
smacey
Yeah, yeah, but no, ah but but why right? like if it's meant for Instagram why not just do it vertical.

19:28.23
Slater Moore
Because like how am I gonna fit a car like the whole car unless I'm ten miles back like even with ah even with a 16 on I still have to step back a hundred feet to fit a car in vertically.

19:32.35
aaronmannes
Um.

19:36.92
smacey
I get no I get why but if it's for Instagram why not just like play by the Instagram rules and just figure it out even if it doesn't look as good but that's what you're poing for right? Are you where else is it living where else is it living though.

19:45.20
Slater Moore
Um, because screw Instagram we watch film horizontally. Well so that's the thing right? Like what if you're yeah, if something's like fully purpose for Instagram and it's for.

19:48.70
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

20:01.24
Slater Moore
Someone's like business or like you know like that's a very specific purpose. But if you're all filming nature in wildlife and like potentially want to sell it or use it for you know, whatever it is like I would much rather have the photo or video horizontal because then it's going to you know, live where it should live which is on a Tv hopefully or on a picture frame.

20:09.11
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

20:09.97
smacey
Um, right, of course.

20:15.56
aaronmannes
Yeah.

20:18.22
smacey
Just being 4 case you can crop in if you want to repurpose I don't know if many people many people know that.

20:20.80
aaronmannes
Right.

20:20.40
Slater Moore
Which yeah, exactly and now you just be in 8 k you're gonna be like now that nicon va red is gonna be some 8 K Red Rob whatever yeah so does canon.

20:27.85
smacey
Yeah, yeah.

20:28.68
aaronmannes
Um, well yeah, Sony has the a 8 k I mean it doesn't go crazy high high frame rate. But um, what's nice about horizontal in four k is. As long as your tops and bottoms are there and you have your subject and it's moving. You can move and premiere your your crop like where it needs to be. Yeah, so you're you're not going to miss. Yeah, you're not going to you. You might not miss something if you lose the edges where if you're.

20:47.13
Slater Moore
Yeah.

20:48.39
smacey
The keyframes it can be goofy sometimes though.

20:52.26
Slater Moore
Yeah, yeah.

20:59.40
aaronmannes
If you turn at Portrait mode and you're trying to film something and the car goes out of the frame. It's gone. You know so and then you have all this top and bottom that you don't really need so that's like that's not useful. My new philosophy is to film or photo in the.

20:59.41
smacey
Um, right.

21:03.32
smacey
Right? right.

21:16.60
aaronmannes
The best way it can be used or intended like if the photo needs to be landscape I'm not going to switch it just so it fits Instagram if the video. What's the best way this video shows the thing if it's for simply a real then yeah I'm going to I'm going to crop it and and compose my frame.

21:29.86
smacey
Um, yeah.

21:36.80
aaronmannes
Ah, my composition the best way I can with a vertical frame because that's what it's for and that's it's where it's dying. No one's gonna buy these funny reels like it's for Instagram.

21:41.77
smacey
Death.

21:44.40
Slater Moore
Yeah, yeah, I'm always stoked to see people that can say like turn your phone and enjoy nature for like 60 seconds and it just like does really? well I'm like man I have so many videos that if I they were horizontal like I have breaches that like start on one side of the frame and end on the other.

21:55.32
smacey
A a.

22:04.10
Slater Moore
And there's no way like the wells so close to me. There's no way I'd ever fit it in the frame. So I have to like film it How it's meant to be filmed. But if I if I post that horizontal like it's It's just not going to do as well as if it you know was posted.

22:16.10
smacey
I Guess just like based on human nature I'm surprised that to turn your phone method does work I'd be interested to see is it or is it friction.

22:24.71
Slater Moore
I Think it's engaging like we talk about right? It's like oh I think it's I think it's annoying for some but well I did post ah that video was actually talking about a humpback sideways and my dad texting me goes.

22:29.81
smacey
I Guess it comes down to personality like are you just adding a layer of friction by asking somebody to do something.

22:42.20
Slater Moore
Hey Sayder did you know that you but posted that sideways. Ah so I mean you know.

22:45.49
aaronmannes
Ah, that's funny. Yeah, that'll be a funny test the same video same caption same Hashtag same account posting the same video one just says turn your phone and one just go straight into the video The best you can with the crop.

22:46.14
smacey
Ah, nice right.

22:56.80
Slater Moore
Yeah.

23:02.69
smacey
Um, but maybe the turn your phone like Slater says is the hook right? I don't know.

23:04.53
Slater Moore
Yeah, why do we have to hook people I watch I watch nature documentaries I don't have to be hooked at all I just hit play and watch the whole thing. Yeah, okay, just the whole entire thing are hooked. But it's like you just wish you I mean this year is

23:06.58
aaronmannes
Um, maybe.

23:13.91
smacey
Um, mean there's definitely hooks in that David adamborough's voice.

23:16.81
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

23:22.70
Slater Moore
Is that because your footage is not so good like there's is just so incredible. There's no way like we have good stuff. We have stuff that's worth watching it just has to start with the animal eating. Otherwise you know you can't have it like hunting for like I did for a minute right.

23:27.85
smacey
Um, right.

23:34.28
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, yeah, there's something. There's something about the ah the pause or catching attention from I mean think about the.

23:37.91
smacey
Um, yeah.

23:45.82
Slater Moore
The dopamine hit.

23:46.10
aaronmannes
Just the what people are doing on the phone just scroll Scroll Scroll Boring boring. Ah what makes them stop that that exact motion It's got to be something.

23:56.38
Slater Moore
You know some of my best videos of humpback whales lunch feeding are on days where like well the videos that do well will have anchovies like bubbling but the thing is is I'm shooting and I'll shooting in like 21 so it's really slow right? But there'll be like millions of anchovies. And it's like you know, kind of can't tell what's going on looks crazy and then a whale just emerggees those do really? Well so it's kind of like a hook and you would almost assume it wouldn't do well because it takes a long time but does well man speaking onbacks lunch feeding I have that video that brought me pretty much over like.

24:20.41
aaronmannes
Yeah.

24:20.67
smacey
And retention. Yeah.

24:25.81
aaronmannes
You.

24:34.40
Slater Moore
600000 subscribers on Youtube is I reposted it after I said I got my plaque and stuff on Instagram and the comments on it are so funny like because it's in slow motion people don't like like the whale's moving really fast when it lung feeds right? So it's coming out. It's like the whole thing is only like. Maybe 4 seconds when it comes up and comes back down but people in the boats in the backgrounds are not moving at all because they're just not moving. They're watching and so we were like this is ai I'm like man if I could ai this set like.

25:02.34
smacey
Um.

25:04.60
Slater Moore
It's so great that like that person didn't even clap or anything I I the guy didn't have time to react. It's like 3 seconds long yeah Yeah, yeah, it's

25:05.38
aaronmannes
Um.

25:07.79
smacey
And so funny have you seen a new soraaiengine with video Aaron I sent you this. What are your thoughts Aon and ain and I talked about this like are creators doomed.

25:10.87
aaronmannes
That's funny.

25:15.43
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

25:20.58
Slater Moore
Ah I don't know man like I don't know this is why so I picked up a film camera and it's because of a lot of people like I thought I've never shot film which I'm a photographer I've been photographing for over ten years right and I've never shot a film camera 0 like you'd think you'd know something about film cameras right? so.

25:35.80
smacey
Bright.

25:40.41
Slater Moore
My wife and I picked one up just for like when we travel around for fun to shoot stuff and I kind of have this weird theory in my head that I think we're going to go back to that because it's going to be the only thing that's real like is it like you're going to be developing or even then you still could throw it into the computer and edit it. But I don't know. I Think going back to film is going to be kind of what might be kind of a thing to offset the ai for some photographers but it's just not like financially and like it's just pretty wasteful. You know shooting film.

26:04.65
smacey
Um, right.

26:09.73
aaronmannes
I Think it depends on what people are looking to use it for I Think there's definitely ai is going to help with a lot of easy stuff but with people and a story I mean you're you're still going to need the narrative and the work and I think the the human touch is always.

26:21.38
Slater Moore
Storytelling.

26:28.81
aaronmannes
Ah been a thing I think about music like computers have been able to make music and beats for decades now.

26:35.67
Slater Moore
The ai music that's coming out is crazy Youtube remember did you guys see that thing when Youtube released the whole like you're gonna be able to type in what kind of song you want and then throw it some lyrics or like type type in what the footage is about.

26:43.39
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, but it's still. There's still something sterile about it or like live music comes back. Vinyl Records have come back I Just yeah I'm with you I feel like there's something that's like imperfect is nice about art humans like.

26:58.98
Slater Moore
Yeah, well, it's like why do your cell phonee videos. Do I could show you cellphone videos that Ive done a thousand times better than things that I've filmed on professional cameras that you know it's just like there's something that people can relate to.

27:01.48
aaronmannes
This sort of human touch to things.

27:13.10
aaronmannes
Yeah I agree with that.

27:13.97
smacey
I think Aaron you and I were chatting about the difference between the ai implications for art and the Ai implications for commercial work I mean if I'm a marketing department do I care about the human touch or do I care about it looking as realistic. For as cheap as possible.

27:35.57
Slater Moore
That's the thing man what? if what? if like now we're talking about I don't know what's a big like nature, some nature conservancy and they want to like get funds and now they're just Ai shoving straws and turtles noses and they're like collecting money.

27:50.20
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

27:51.98
smacey
Um, right? Yeah, there's bad actors everywhere.

27:53.80
Slater Moore
Like you could use it for some I think you could use it for some pretty bad like stuff you know for that kind of you know and in that sense. Yeah, exactly like that who knows where it's going to go but that that footage that came out of it. Yeah, you know what? I actually just saw on Instagram um, so my curated.

27:57.50
aaronmannes
Yeah, some deep fakes for sure. Yeah.

28:11.59
Slater Moore
Page posted some guy shot of like it was like of an eagle or something and I was like that looks so like I could just tell it was Ai you know, but it looked really amazing, but it was ai and I clicked it and the guy's full account is just Ai animals and they're all in black and white and they're they're like they look incredible. They're just missing that like touch you can just tell there's like just a little bit of like softening to it that gives it the art you know, but man the guys the guy's prompting is in his photoshopping skills is crazy. He's got like underwater polar bears with swimming and with ice behind him I was like I would you would think it's real and people think it's real.

28:33.40
aaronmannes
Um, something.

28:41.50
smacey
Um, right? So I was just about to ask you.

28:50.27
Slater Moore
And not to mention people on Facebook like right now if you're post photos or captions on Facebook you're getting paid for it because the bonuses and you could just be using Ai art and getting millions of freaking views. No facebook yeah they they've been. They've been do that you wish I could to show you my.

28:57.40
aaronmannes
wait wait. wait let's stop there for a second face times giving bonuses now Facebook is giving bonuses now.

29:01.52
smacey
Um, Facebook.

29:09.85
Slater Moore
My my monetization like I make like a dollar a month because I don't post captions like it's it's such a joke. But yeah, if you right now on Facebook there's some people have bonuses and so there are 4 people that like create memes and you know do captions and stuff like that they're testing if. They can mo I think they're just testing if they can monetize photos instead of reals are like just regular all basically all types of content. Yeah, but it's funny. You had I'll post a caption that's like do you like blue whales or killer wells and it'll make me $5 but I'm like I'm not going to write this the silly stuff every day. It's not what you know.

29:32.20
aaronmannes
Interesting, interesting.

29:42.85
smacey
Bright.

29:44.89
aaronmannes
That's weird I Saw a great article about when photography came out painters were going crazy that were paid. Yeah were paid to reproduce scenes pictures Beautiful are um, they were very scared of their.

29:45.94
Slater Moore
Yeah.

29:52.47
Slater Moore
Um, no, really.

29:56.98
Slater Moore
Wow.

30:01.21
aaronmannes
Demise with the photograph the photograph which makes sense now everything that we've been doing and get paid for can be done in a click and developed and these scenes can be developed flawlessly yet. Painters are still prized to this day and painting and art is still a thing.

30:14.37
Slater Moore
Around.

30:20.47
aaronmannes
Just think it'll it'll be another tool that's completely out there. Ah some will use it way more. Some won't but I feel like there'll always be a need for the narrative creativity creativity. Even the people that are coming up with the stories or the ideas. Um, and can utilize that Ai I don't know I guess I guess we'll see.

30:39.26
Slater Moore
Or.

30:42.94
smacey
Um I don't know I may disagree I may slightly disagree like I agree with you that there will always be the need for humans to be involved in the art form but a lot of us are employed commercially.

30:58.44
Slater Moore
Yeah, if you can just have ah ah know imagine you're a big company. You can just have a full Ai team like you just have no you just need 2 people. 2 prompters that are like high-end prompters that that so I know they're still going to need. So let's say you're a good prompter right? like I sent you all that we we were trying to prompt something the other day.

30:59.79
smacey
I Don't know maybe I'm coming at this the wrong way like that's I'm saying just good prompters.

31:16.38
smacey
Um, right.

31:16.49
Slater Moore
And it just is so like a lot of them are so silly. But imagine you're good at prompting but then you're also just an amazing like photoshop artist or like you're really good at using photoshop which some people havent for like a long time since photoshop came out and now you can use Ai but then edit it with photoshop. And so you're you kind of still need that human like fix on things. So like that might might be a thing.

31:34.71
smacey
Okay.

31:37.96
aaronmannes
Yeah I Just think some companies will just like some companies don't respect creativity right now and they're looking for free handouts and I'm not going to pay you I'll do it for exposure like everyone's different. Every company's different. Every company has a different vibe.

31:50.73
smacey
Bright.

31:55.90
aaronmannes
Patagonia might want a real nature feel. No matter what they're not going to Ai one damn thing I'm just saying there just might be these companies that are like no, that's that's not our thing we want to do it a certain way and that's not what we stand for our values. Don't stand for faking people out.

31:58.53
Slater Moore
Yeah.

32:01.78
smacey
Um, right, Totally fair.

32:11.63
smacey
Right? You're gonna start seeing ads where it's a disclaimer at the bottom that this ad was shot using real humans or something like that or was used with Sora Ai you're gonna start seeing that for sure.

32:13.74
aaronmannes
So.

32:22.78
Slater Moore
Ah, only the animals were used to store. Ah, only.

32:24.60
aaronmannes
Know Yeah, you know it's like this doctor's not this doctor's an actor like that at the bottom This doctor's an actual human and an actor. Ah.

32:29.63
smacey
Yeah, on the on the pharmaceuticals. Yeah, exactly exactly what mean when you stumbled on that person's page I wanted to ask this question come back to this when you stumbled on the Ai wildlife page. You said I can tell things aren't um.

32:30.76
Slater Moore
Yeah, ah.

32:38.40
Slater Moore
Yeah.

32:46.41
Slater Moore
Yeah.

32:46.80
smacey
You know these aren't real. They're Ai and you said they look incredible like what is your reaction? Do you feel annoyed by it. Are you like? oh this is cool in its own way.

32:56.83
Slater Moore
Ah, so it's I think it's sad that if you read through comments. It's just like you could see it all over the internet. You could find people will mash up like videos about killer Wills right? Like say this they'll say this killer whale actually swam two hundred miles went to this boat told the boat that his friend was hurt. And they'll use like a hundred different clips of killer Wills right? like from different color days and different like you know, just whatever right Then the the one at the 1 killer will is entangled in 1 video then they show a diver from another video and they just mash it back and forth dude I had someone that's like worked on the water his whole life tell me dude did you see this video of this.

33:18.11
aaronmannes
Are.

33:20.78
smacey
Um, right.

33:32.44
Slater Moore
Tiger Shark bringing the turtle to the boat. So the guy could save it. Basically the Tiger Shark was eating a turtle. The second clip was then someone lifting a turtle the water but he believed it. He's like I don't know if it's real or not and was like dang like yeah I think it's sad because you can read the comments and see that um people are like believing it right? like there's just some people that.

33:41.49
aaronmannes
Are.

33:42.83
smacey
Um, as a professional.

33:52.41
Slater Moore
Aren't is in tuneed with the internet like we are and they believe it and then think it's real and they get bad information from it. But I think there's some things like I don't know some of the shots are like man that actually could happen in real life Puller Bears do stand on ice.

33:53.73
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

34:08.24
Slater Moore
You know it might give you an idea like and maybe it's It's good for like a shot deck. Maybe you're like I want to make a film and I don't have time to search through every movie I've ever saw to look through something and you can type in like oh like I did I was like oh I want to see what a bison looks like exhaling in the snow with trees in the background and now I want like that's the shot I Want. You can kind of get an idea maybe but now is that cheating I don't know getting a reference to a shot you'd like to get.

34:32.55
smacey
Not really, you're just replacing it with storyboarding good old fashioned drawing or.

34:35.94
Slater Moore
Yeah, like that's for video and offer photos. But yeah, still right? I think so I think it's cool for storyboarding Maybe like oh what is it.

34:36.90
aaronmannes
Yeah, yeah.

34:43.50
aaronmannes
But you're you're right about the internet I mean even those I think the the couple reels I've done are very clearly I'm joking the amount of people that are like how was that Tripod hold that lens and I'm like oh my Jeez what.

34:52.89
Slater Moore
Yeah.

34:59.84
Slater Moore
Ah I I knew those were going to pop off the second I saw them too I knew I was like I tech I think I texted set on Bothto I was like this is it like this is so fun. It's so true you know I saw this I saw this girl I wish I remembered her name.

35:02.85
aaronmannes
Ah.

35:15.17
Slater Moore
But she she was like doing that you know all the slow motion pull your your camera right? Which like dude I try those first off those kind of things they just don't work for me like I've tried stuff not and I haven't tried that particular shot yet I guess I need to rent a prime 600 you know to do it but but I saw this girl she was like she was memeing up to kind of like what you're doing.

35:19.90
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

35:34.56
Slater Moore
She's like slowly bringing it up and she's like no no, no like that it needs to be slower and then she's like it don't look at the and so she was like giving herself pointers like over let you know a voiceover. It was super funny but it's like yeah like I don't know I feel like some of that stuff works for some people and then I I go and try and it's like you know.

35:42.70
aaronmannes
That's funny. That's good. Yeah. Um, man, no.

35:52.80
Slater Moore
I rented this thirteenth like you you did it. You nailed it like I rented this $13000 but man the shots look great like it's not. It's not anything to the people if it works it works like I mean I'm not against it.

36:01.80
smacey
I was just searching for what the term would be for when something is more believable simply because it's online. It's a phenomena right? and it's called digital credulity.

36:01.82
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

36:15.41
Slater Moore
Okay, like credibility like credit.

36:17.60
aaronmannes
Graduallyd.

36:18.30
smacey
CREDULITY refers to the tendency for individuals to believe or trust information more readily simply because it's found on the internet this phenomenon underscores the impact of digital technologies and online platforms in shaping people's perceptions, opinions and belief.

36:35.94
Slater Moore
Man.

36:38.16
smacey
An age where information is easily accessible and often abundant digital credulity highlights the importance of critical thinking and discernment when consuming content online I'd be interested to see some studies as to why? why simply because something is published online by anyone. That it's just more believable. That's an interesting phenomenon that I'd be curious to see the science on. Yeah I mean.

37:06.15
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, that really is I don't I don't have many theories except just going back to my youth where you would like look up. Ah, what was that what was that machine in the library where you would look up old articles and put it in. Yeah, but it's.

37:18.47
smacey
Um, it's like the digital encyclopedia.

37:18.70
Slater Moore
You be like yeah like a dictionary.

37:22.90
aaronmannes
Yeah, months's time. Let's do a timeout here. Um, it's for um Newspapertro check.

37:26.97
smacey
No, keep it rolling keep her rolling. You're on the clock buddy. You thought you knew what it was.

37:30.24
Slater Moore
Wait I say now I lost it because the timeout thing I got all I confused me? no I just I don't know I had something to say and I lost it don't even know what that is du way are you older than us.

37:38.54
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, micro film reader. Yeah yeah, it's old. It's old I'm old I'm old this hurt.

37:42.63
smacey
Um, Micro film reader I don't know what that is either. You're dating yourself.

37:48.42
Slater Moore
I have gray hairs in my beard Dude I don't know the microfilm reader is.

37:53.89
aaronmannes
Um'm all dirt. But I think like the the looking up stuff and the what were the first things to be online were just like encyclopedias and and things that you can put in a Cd -rom and have thiscycl remember those those you know see that's cdrom.

37:56.34
smacey
Um, an itchy head.

38:07.20
Slater Moore
Floppy disk.

38:10.80
smacey
Now you're just being plain rude. Ah holy smoke are vivan.

38:12.98
aaronmannes
I we definitely had I have a hard dis before the floppy and I thought all the things Oregon trail on the big disc man all right? The old people are are agreeing with me. Ah, but you would.

38:14.42
Slater Moore
Oh man.

38:27.16
aaronmannes
Like the the first kind of digital online stuff was I remember my parents got like this encyclopedia that you could put in and see like videos. Oh this so cool. This one has a video of like a whale something crazy and you just kind of believe everything you see and it it maybe starts to. Unfold as like in school look Google this and there's only so many articles and ah you can look up to Pd and it just kind of builds it now it's it's just trended to this point of complete oversaturation where you look up anything you might find 99 really good articles about.

38:48.91
smacey
Bright.

38:50.90
Slater Moore
Yeah.

39:03.66
aaronmannes
Ah, health concern or whatever. But this one article that's made by Slater Moore from California talking about health and you're like I'm just going to pick this one and you just assume it's the same as the rest you know that's where it can be a little bit dangerous I think.

39:13.20
Slater Moore
Now.

39:19.36
smacey
Yeah, ironically enough I just punched into my I program um like why does this phenomenon occur scientifically or psychologically and it jotted out 5 points information overload um source amnesia.

39:28.57
aaronmannes
Are.

39:33.21
smacey
Social proof This one's interesting So social media and online platforms displaying likes shares and comments create a sense of social validation that influence individuals to believe information simply because others seem to endorse it I mean that's been going on since the beginning of time but I think just the trust and technology amplifies that.

39:34.13
Slater Moore
Of your verified dude.

39:47.12
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

39:53.40
smacey
Right.

39:54.28
aaronmannes
What's crazy is that with that sort of history can be made in a sense like let's say you know Slater posts a video and it's it's questionable or or someone attacks it and says like oh he shouldn't have said that. The comments kind of dictate his fate if everyone's like so if someone if someone Slater posts a video. He says something rude about whales. Let's just let's keep it on on the whale. Yeah, he says something rude about whales and someone goes after him to cancel him.

40:10.63
smacey
Um, what do you mean? That's interesting. Um.

40:21.51
Slater Moore
Irickin hate him.

40:28.70
aaronmannes
Now The temperature is kind of dictated by the comments on this. Do they agree or they saying Yeah, you're full of you're full of crap get a life. This is this is fine like it's not that's not what he meant but bla blah that defend him and he's fine. But if you have people that jump on the comment wagon.

40:33.31
Slater Moore
So If I have enough defenders. Oh.

40:47.59
Slater Moore
I agree.

40:48.49
aaronmannes
And are like yeah he should be away I agree then that fever of pitch starts going and now Slater's canceled based on not what he said but the opinions of what he said and which way the temperature went and that's an interesting phenomenon too. Yeah.

41:04.48
Slater Moore
Yeah, ah well I'll tell you what? oh yeah I have a couple things to say one. There's a page called like what the fluke and for some reason people's facts about whales and there's just they're they're very hard animal to study anyways. So like the facts are kind of ever changing as we do.

41:04.81
smacey
Um, and now he can shoot land animals and get out of his niche box.

41:07.85
aaronmannes
Art over.

41:22.16
Slater Moore
Like people do more and more research on whales. But there's a page called what the fluke and people will like you know share a I've seen like big pages like ah puberty did one where they shared someone's blue whale video and they called it a humpback and they were like you know it's got it had like ah a million likes on it. But the video had nothing to do with the blue will you know I don't know if that was exact as's just an example but um, anyways, there's a page like that that shares like people make these like serious factual memes or whatever it is and then you know this page kind of it roasts it? Yeah, so.

41:54.64
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, interesting time to live guys. Interesting time to live.

41:59.85
smacey
Yeah, that that that is really interesting I mean we know Slater firsthand from one of our friends who says who knows of you know film crews making narratives before they even start shooting.

42:18.59
Slater Moore
Yeah, um.

42:20.73
smacey
Isn't that interesting like before they even film a wildlife dock. They already have the narrative So you're just getting shots to to build the house isn't that wild.

42:28.35
Slater Moore
Yeah, with yeah or they or or they like have an idea like okay I don't know what if it's just like maybe they don't have that deep of a narrative though. Maybe they just have like we want to see like I think they've been really trying to get killer whales hunting blue whales and but it happens in Bremer Bay in Australia.

42:29.11
aaronmannes
Piece it together.

42:47.47
Slater Moore
And it's it's known but the water I think's very it's it can be pretty rough there. You can see like the pods are huge podsicular wheels. The water's crystal clear blue and there's blue wills. But it's pretty rough. So I think it's pretty hard for film crews to actually you know you have to kind of that's the 1 thing about working on whale watching boats day to day is like. They're the people who usually see the most insane stuff it's because they're going every day like you can send you you know, many film crews have come to Monterey for a whole entire month April of may like the last couple years and knock on any graywell predations and then like the one day they're gone or like whatever it is. We have a grey will predation or it happens to be like. Randomly the best 1 happens to be in June went out of that peak window from mid April to mid mid may so I think people go with an idea like okay, we want to get a predation but then they get there and a blue well has a baby and now it's like oh well, we might as well flip the script because that's never been filmed before so I think they change it a lot because I think about this.

43:27.63
smacey
And.

43:42.33
Slater Moore
Um, let's say this certain documentary wants to buy Adam's footage of the killer well that was harassing the blue whale that that probably wasn't part of their movie that's coming out but it could be a really big part of their movie because it's something. That's so completely rare to film that.

43:53.90
smacey
Um, right.

44:00.80
Slater Moore
Is it worth it for them to switch to that concept now and then pump more money into going to like finalize that sequence. So.

44:05.65
aaronmannes
So they get this like big. They get this big moment and then might pivot in switch gears and be like all right like now this is our climax or our story and we got to fill in some holes what holes do we need to fill in.

44:07.50
smacey
Yeah, that's true.

44:13.87
Slater Moore
Um, yeah.

44:18.66
Slater Moore
Yeah, and like we were a perfect example of that when we were all crying because of what we saw with the wolves like yeah you know.

44:24.10
aaronmannes
Right? No I have it tattooed on my arm I remember I remember.

44:25.57
smacey
Yeah, remind Aaron again so that he can cry himself if you don't know we're talking about go back and listen to the last episode was later. Um, maybe.

44:35.87
Slater Moore
I don't know is not with me with Jad I think you talk oh you didn't really touch. You didn't touch on it with either of us because you didn't want hurt Aaron's feelings you didn't really talk about the wolves that much you talked about it maybe with just him. Yeah.

44:42.29
smacey
No, we talked about it in 1 of them. It was either the last one with your maybe it was jad jad Danport great guy. Um, since I've seen you when did I see you december comfortable couch, great hospitality I must say if you're ever.

44:43.87
aaronmannes
Ah.

44:52.74
Slater Moore
Yeah.

44:58.17
Slater Moore
Well I think talking put my boot on I was like yeah you just stay in my house.

44:59.49
smacey
To stay with the moors. It did stay it did stay as well since I saw you last you've ah you've landed a couple social media gigs with some companies locally. How did those come about you're doing monterey touring vehicles which is ah um.

45:17.87
Slater Moore
Classic car rental. Yeah.

45:18.50
smacey
What would you call them Retro Cars Rentals Classic car Rentals couple whale watching Boats What was kind of your approach to that in you know, simple form simple terms um to generate some revenue for yourself outside of your whale watching business.

45:32.59
Slater Moore
Yeah, so I figured during the winter I usually have a lot of free time and I'm always trying to figure out how to like well but kind of all I think about is how I can make more money This is survive you know? Yeah, so um.

45:43.19
smacey
Um, well you live in California.

45:45.28
aaronmannes
Ah know.

45:47.44
Slater Moore
And I like I said I was before I said I was getting more and or trying to get more into video work and so I thought it'd be a good way to practice and I like you know making social media content. So I reached out to some companies and basically said hey I can create like reels for your Facebook Instagram Youtube or whatever kind of content. You guys see fit for your company. And I had been going I had like met them at cars and coffee I'd been going to like cars and coffee to like meet people around town to film their cars and stuff like that to practice and I had met them and and then ah built just kind of a friendship with them and eventually I reached out and was like hey you know I can make you like whatever 10 videos a month or whatever it is. And yeah I just kind of did that and then I also reached out to a couple ecotourism companies because I like I mainly film wild animals and so I reached out to them and doing the same thing and it's been really good. Actually I really I really enjoy it It's a lot of fun because I get to create. Different kinds of content that I don't normally put on my page like more interviewee style content or just like just fun stuff that I don't normally put out which I probably should It seems like it's much easier to do it for someone else than yourself. You know I think because I have to commit to doing it for myself. But when you're getting paid to do it like.

46:55.98
smacey
Um, that's interesting. Why do you think that is.

46:56.64
aaronmannes
Um, camera.

47:02.14
smacey
Right? You're accountable contractually. Maybe we should write some contracts with ourselves and have horrible horrible punishments.

47:03.10
Slater Moore
You know what? I mean? Yeah, exactly That's what people stay I've I've heard some like ah motivational things like that right? It's like if you were high if you were hired like pay yourself or pretend to pay yourself because.

47:06.70
aaronmannes
I find it? yeah.

47:21.84
Slater Moore
You know you're going to hold that hold yourself accountable for it. But are you.

47:24.81
smacey
Um I run in the yeah, go ahead Erin sorry.

47:25.40
aaronmannes
There's something cool. There's something cool just about I think it's like a palette cleanser to do something completely different than what you normally do. You know you've done thousands of hours of whale editing and viewing and maybe maybe hundreds of thousands.

47:35.96
Slater Moore
M.

47:40.28
aaronmannes
To spend a couple hours on something that's completely different that just opens up a new part of your brain and I find that really fun and you can learn little things like oh I'm going to apply this little technique that I learned with my whale stuff because this just opened up a new box for me a new toolbox. Ah I don't know I just find I find that like refreshing to go do some food photography for a day or concert photography or a cabin shoe. Whatever it may be is like different than the usual and it just refreshes somehow.

48:13.49
Slater Moore
Yeah, it's a really good mate. It's also a really good way to like practice making different kinds of content and it's a good way to make extra money doing something you like.

48:23.10
smacey
Yeah I Think what's also important too to note is you didn't just kind of cold pitch I mean cold pitches have their place. You know how about you're like.

48:29.93
Slater Moore
No I did I did on some of them some some people I just called I emailed or like I reached out to some people I just emailed like some companies I just said hey I this yeah like a couple of the ones I landed. Yeah I just I just straight up emailed and said hey I can make you like.

48:42.40
smacey
Um, even the ones that you landed are the ones. Oh really.

48:49.40
Slater Moore
I see that you're sometimes I'll look and be like oh I see you're trying to do socials but they're just very like somewhat like some random worker is like taking a picture of whatever it is the food or whatever it is and I'm just like hey I see that you guys are interested in like growing your social media because your other obviously like posting kind of consistently but it's just the quality is not there. Maybe.

49:05.99
smacey
Um, right right.

49:07.72
Slater Moore
And I'll say hey I can I can make you like 10 videos a month or something and and then or and some of them like we'll say oh we don't have a budget where ah which makes sense. You know some people. It's it's just expensive and then I'll say like we can try it. Because a lot of I really I'd really enjoy I really think that it does help businesses like it's just a fact you do get business from social media and it's free. It's basically free advertising besides paying someone like us to go and create the content for them. But that the reach is kind of endless.

49:24.95
aaronmannes
Yeah.

49:34.20
smacey
Right? When you're sending those are you sending a case study. So like an example of your work or or are you just sending emails.

49:41.70
Slater Moore
Um I wasn't I wasn't before because before I own. My only work is whales. So I'm like hey can I make some food content for you and then I'm like here's my breaching humpback whale or my you know wolf footage and so it doesn't really resonate. Also it's.

49:51.90
smacey
Um, right right.

49:59.98
Slater Moore
Yeah, because I've I've had people be like oh but how's your work in like a studio setting with lighting that I don't know anything about because I've always shot in natural nature light and so um I've I've run into some kickups like that in the past. But now I think now I kind of have like a little clientele.

50:04.63
smacey
Great.

50:17.28
Slater Moore
Right now a small one before I and I'm going to start running trips again. So that'll slow down because I'll be too full time on the water. But I think that like let's say next winter if I'm going to help people out or the next time I reach out to people I'll probably have like a backup now like now I'll be able to say like hey here's my portfolio of like food and cars and you know interview stuff or. You know things like that.

50:38.68
smacey
Um, and where do you plan to make those portfolios live ideally.

50:40.47
Slater Moore
I don't know maybe like a show reel that's unlisted on Youtube or something so like some highlight real or this individual like so now that is I've sent people just footage like hey this is like here's a small clip of something I can do you know, not not overcomplicate it.

50:45.77
smacey
Right.

50:54.79
smacey
I think there can be the tendency to yeah, there can be the tendency to want to make something so polished and so professional. It's got to live on my website and websites have their place of course. But there's also something for here's a Google drive with assets that I made you know.

51:09.92
Slater Moore
Yeah, and so that's something I.

51:12.63
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

51:13.15
smacey
Labeled with their two k a 6 5 4 3 dot jpeg like you know, sometimes like people maybe like some I would say most people really just don't care. Do they take good photos or good video that I'm planning on hiring them for yep. Okay, right.

51:18.10
aaronmannes
Um, that.

51:26.56
Slater Moore
Yeah, 1 thing I learned on your podcast. Actually I forget the guy's name. It kind of came ah about from him but it was kind of like I shortened all my emails. My emails were used to be like so like hey I'm Slater I've been eating chicken oggets for 20 years

51:29.00
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

51:43.34
Slater Moore
I've been doing this and that and like I have all these things under my belt I swear like here's my here's ah, here's what I would do and here's a video and here's this and like I just give them all of the info upfront and it was like I just didn' getting responses so now like I've literally just and I know it's not okay to like technically Dm some bit some brands but I've I've just d people were like hey like.

51:44.70
smacey
Um.

51:44.15
aaronmannes
Ah.

52:03.40
Slater Moore
Do you want to do this yes or no and like those have worked better than me sending like you know I'm like if you're interested like give me your email and I can give you a bigger idea like you know I can write you the whole idea out because then they're at least looking for that longer email or like longer whatever message.

52:06.29
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

52:12.28
smacey
Um, right.

52:18.67
aaronmannes
Um, right.

52:19.45
Slater Moore
Yeah I just think that the whole yes or no thing has worked way better than cause then then you don't sit there for 2 I mean man we were like pouring our heart into these pitches sometimes like Jason I you met Jason we would write like we're like we'll do all of this for you the whole world. We're gonna make it happen and then we wouldn't even get an email back and I'm like man we gotta so we gotta figure out how to switch it up.

52:23.26
smacey
Um, really.

52:28.64
smacey
Yeah.

52:36.84
smacey
Right? And likely maybe I'm speculating. They didn't even read it. They're like whoa. That's a wall of text.

52:38.80
Slater Moore
So.

52:42.35
Slater Moore
Or you may yeah or you made a video that doesn't make sense for them but like in your head you're like oh this is just an idea like you can change the theme to fit their brand but like you didn't have something that specifically you could show for that. You know what I mean and now they just kind of like well that doesn't.

52:50.82
aaronmannes
Yeah, was.

52:59.74
Slater Moore
Look like it works for us like someone was like oh I don't want slow motion syrup pouring on my food that's not for me and I was like well we don't have to do that. You know what I mean we could you know like I think so I think so for sure because I that happened to me this lady was like well like it's a very high-end restaurant and she was like well we don't.

53:05.40
aaronmannes
Or I am.

53:07.48
smacey
Um, right? So yes, sending an asset could actually hurt you.

53:18.24
Slater Moore
She's kind of basically said we don't really need it and ah and it's fair. She might just be sold out. It's in Carmel it's very nice like you know, but she was like I would like to try it out but she's like I don't know how I'd feel about like the slow motion. You know like syrup pores and stuff like that which is fine. The content looks really beautiful that I center but.

53:24.38
smacey
Um, right.

53:36.99
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, ah for her.

53:37.93
Slater Moore
And made sense like she didn't want to it was just not for her. You know.

53:39.96
smacey
Yeah, it goes to what Aaron was saying a couple episodes ago aon I forget which ones was but deciding kind of what theme you want to do like? Do you want to do handheld iphone that looks like it was shot by a competent a competent person who doesn't have like a mirrorless or Dslr but like it's very good with an iphone like do you want it to be cinematic. You want it to be just trendy information information. Ah based where it's giving people value through tutorials I mean there's so many different ways you can go and it doesn't make sense I guess to I guess pitch a company that's.

54:02.20
Slater Moore
Yeah.

54:17.71
smacey
Clearly trying to go a certain direction um with something cinematic or but I guess it can be hard to gauge when they don't have a direction right? So maybe in that instance, it's like well here's something cinematic here's something I shot on my iphone here's like something trendy I made right.

54:18.41
Slater Moore
Yeah, it's also.

54:29.13
Slater Moore
Yeah, and that could be good too like if they if you can find a company that like like some like there are companies that need social media like tourist companies need social media right? like whale watch companies need it maybe a Safari destination or a hotel like they need to be. More I would say tourist like that's the 1 thing I can almost 100% certainly say like they they pretty much need social media to keep up with like what they're seeing day-to-day or you know, just ah to keep updated content out there. It's it's basically a resume for your business in a sense right? or like a review page or your business. Um, but then some places they don't need it and trying to convince them that they need it. You'd almost be lying to right? So you got to find people that and if you could find those companies that are like there's a lot of whale watchch companies that are very old school and they still you know they've been around since the 70 s when whale watching started getting popular.

55:10.80
smacey
Um, right.

55:24.10
Slater Moore
And they just aren't on social media that much but they need they you know they could benefit from it and there's there's still companies out there like that for all sorts of different.

55:27.47
smacey
A.

55:32.97
aaronmannes
I still think too like the understanding of business and and the art and marrying those together can be really helpful because any any ah restaurant in airbnb whatever this says? oh we're we're sold out. We don't need to really mark it. We're sold out. Okay, but. Maybe you don't want to be sold out seven days a week because you're paying now 7 cleaning fees. Maybe you want to be sold out three days a week for a higher price. Maybe maybe you want to just raise your price. Maybe you want more supply and demand. Maybe your your your restaurant's full. But maybe you don't want it to be full. It's.

55:55.19
smacey
Um, less overhead.

55:56.44
Slater Moore
Yeah, boom.

56:07.72
aaronmannes
Busy people get mad. They get bad Yelp reviews because they're waiting. They're waiting in line. Maybe you want it to be classy and less busy but you want more people to try to get in so raise the price make it get out a few people. Whatever it is like there's business ways to I think get yourself still in where it's like. They're saying we don't quite need that we're doing great. Oh you probably could do Better. You always do better.

56:30.21
Slater Moore
Or Covid hits right? and then you're like Wow Wish we could sell our chicken tenderders online but nobody follows us and now our restaurant looks like it's closed right? You know you never know what's going to happen.

56:39.16
aaronmannes
Um, right? Yeah um.

56:41.61
smacey
So Aaron in that instance would you say it's what's a better use of time and this is not a loaded question I'm genuinely genuinely interested to hear your response both of you is it more worthwhile to try and convince that business that you really want to work for where the lines out the door that they can charge more and. Maybe have ah less overhead and you know all that that you just described or is it better to just move on.

57:04.74
aaronmannes
I Think if you really want the client I think one passes. Okay, if you have a vision of like you're not just making things up like you actually have a vision or a case study or.

57:06.50
Slater Moore
Um.

57:22.50
aaronmannes
Ah, hey I took this business this let's just use. Ah airbnb they they were booked seven days a week at $300 we went we like got so much demand that they were able to book five days a week for $500 for the entire year. And now they have two days off to clean make repairs do whatever it is like here's the case study. This is what I'm trying to get for you like it's great, but we have the potential to one up it a little bit with great media. Great content. Whatever it may be I mean that's the simple version if you really want the client.

57:53.26
smacey
Yeah.

57:57.62
aaronmannes
I think there there could be a past to be like hey can I just say 1 more thing and this is my vision for you guys and and they could go like hey no we said no thank you. We're good and you go okay move on if you don't if you don't really want the client I think if they say no I I don't know if you have to really try to prove yourself and like prove that.

58:09.66
smacey
Um, yeah, maybe.

58:16.71
aaronmannes
It's going to help.

58:18.85
smacey
Maybe that's accompanied with sort of like ah a graphic that shows the math that speaks in money right? seven days a week times 500 versus you know, five days a week times a thousand.

58:24.60
Slater Moore
Yeah I think if you have.

58:26.18
aaronmannes
Um.

58:33.71
Slater Moore
I Think sometimes if you have to convince someone or a company too much. The problem is is you might be investing into their company more than they they care about and so you all so then like you're doing all this work and you might feel like well they don't even care So like you're putting so much effort in you know.

58:34.30
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

58:43.88
aaronmannes
That's good point to.

58:52.22
Slater Moore
And then I feel like your income from them might not feel like it's good because you're putting all this work in. They don't even care. Either way you know I don't know I think that could be a thing.

58:57.93
aaronmannes
Yeah, and nothing's guaranteed. So if you start showing case studies and you know we're going to get this to be five day a week business versus 7 give you more time off it. It doesn't work out. They're coming after you, they're looking at you so it is it is a bit riskier but I think.

59:00.40
smacey
Um, right.

59:11.77
smacey
Um, yeah.

59:15.75
aaronmannes
Just understanding the business and where things can go if they ask like why do I need new photography. We're we're books seven days a week at least to have an answer is is a good.

59:25.88
Slater Moore
Also it's a commitment like like you you both know that posting on social media if you don't stay consistent. You drop off if you post every day you will start to get the views you will start to get more shares. You will start to have a very consistent upward trend on any of the platforms like it's just a fact. You post consistently. It goes upward so like for a company to charge them for like that consistent of content is going to cost a lot of money and so and it's also going to take could take months to start getting traction and you know they might not want to spend that kind of money. Which is also really tough.

01:00:05.12
smacey
Yeah, that just made me think of a question we had a previous guest couple episodes ago I asked quality or Quantity. What's more important if you had a gun to your head so you were just saying if you post every day you know you'll be Consistent. You'll see those numbers go up. Do you think. That's still the case if your content is simply good or is it better to post here and there insanely great stuff if it were you know if I was if I said you had to pick one or the other later.

01:00:31.79
Slater Moore
Um I would choose if I had to pick I would choose quality. Um, and lose the followers or whatever the views because it's just like my own personal brand that I I like my own personal aesthetic I guess I would care more about but I don't know like that's the thing is like I So I tell people.

01:00:36.48
smacey
Yeah.

01:00:48.30
smacey
Um, great.

01:00:51.73
Slater Moore
Going Viral. It might not mean everything you think it means you know I mean I go viral for the like some of my worst content goes the most viral. It's like or content that I like doesn't doesn't make me feel some of the content that doesn't make me feel great like a cell phone video of a humpback whale rubbing itself on my boat.. It's really amazing. And in real life. It is like the most incredible Experience. You can have with a whale right? just rubbing on your boat for 45 minutes, but it was taking on my cell phone. So. It's like what the heck do I have a $6000 camera for or whatever X amount of dollar camera you know is ah like it's not as fulfilling that I didn't shoot it how I wanted to shoot it but like that video is going to.. It's.

01:01:13.26
smacey
A.

01:01:21.91
smacey
Um, right.

01:01:26.80
aaronmannes
Are.

01:01:30.69
Slater Moore
You know resonates with people. It's cell phone call. It's ah checks all the boxes of like going viral you know, but it's not satisfying to me.

01:01:34.35
smacey
Yet, it's not as satisfying because it sounds to me like right because your your reason for doing this despite your impressive numbers isn't necessarily to have 500000 followers it's to make good stuff and I feel like.

01:01:48.94
Slater Moore
Yeah.

01:01:53.29
smacey
Everything you've said in this episode is I want stuff that I put my heart and soul into to be recognized. It's a bonus if it's recognized with those numbers but sometimes that's just not the case I mean we got to get to a place and we say this all the time all the time and I'll say it again. Just so people can really like.

01:02:00.81
Slater Moore
Um, yeah, just.

01:02:12.10
smacey
Start to absorb This is that the reward is doing rewards doing stuff even just reminding yourself when you're doing it right? And that's so hard to do. It's so hard to do.

01:02:21.42
Slater Moore
Well like I already and I'm a perfect example of that I tried that thirty day like I was like I'm gonna make thirty days of videos and my goal with it was to actually put myself on there for most of the days but then towards the last like six days I got i. Kept having something happen and then I was at the end of the night setting up lights and trying to do stuff in my room I'm like I'm just I can't do it and then I would just post an old video of a humpback or whatever it was and but it's funny because I did make about like 12 or 15 reels with myself on it and I potentially. And have a brand deal in the works I've never had a brand deal and I have you know all the followers right? and that was thanks to you helping me talk back by the way self Seth has been teaching me the ways of talking to brands because this is not something I've ever focused on I've focused on my own kind of business. Um, but yeah, like it's I posted myself for.

01:02:57.68
smacey
Um, yeah, good for you.

01:03:06.49
aaronmannes
Um I.

01:03:08.30
smacey
Ah, right.

01:03:15.16
Slater Moore
12 or so post and ah and that month and I ended up having a couple like brands I talked to and but I don't know if something hasn't like fully signed yet but it could and that's because I put myself out there in a different light than I normally do which is normally just you know wildlife reels.

01:03:25.60
aaronmannes
That's very cool.

01:03:31.19
smacey
Yeah, that was really cool. Are we led to talk about that or is it kind of confidential. Okay, sure.

01:03:33.70
aaronmannes
Um, then.

01:03:35.70
Slater Moore
But I have oh yeah I haven't been No oh about the brand probably not just in case it doesn't happen but but um, but anyways like I said I but the now look I haven't posted any of myself and so.

01:03:47.79
smacey
Yeah, that's that's interesting because you're like I really want to brand deal I really learn our brand deal I have 300 and some ah thousand followers and I never had a brand deal which would be shocking to people and but listen listen listen listen listen so your your outcome change from okay.

01:03:53.75
Slater Moore
Yeah, that's what people think they think I'm just rich I'm like literally fucking.

01:04:05.41
smacey
Let's let's put aside the the upward growth in followers' Views. Let's just put that away in a basket and let's focus on this thing that I'd really like which is a brand deal I have the numbers I have the skill set. Um I may be lacking in a different area whether it's like I don't know just the. Protocol or the process of email linguistics I don't know what you would even call it. You. But.

01:04:24.92
Slater Moore
yeah yeah I would say like email and like talk yeah, probably talking with brands maybe or pitching them on the idea I didn't yeah like you do Dm them or do you ask them for their email or you know how maybe all that kind of stuff right.

01:04:30.75
smacey
Um, okay, like the order and the time and like what to say and you write right? So you said ah okay, let's figure this out because I want x.

01:04:30.85
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, pitching yourself.

01:04:44.71
smacey
And what I've been doing hasn't been getting me though. So I need to change what I'm doing and changing what you were doing was I'm going to put my face I'm going to be a person I'm going to be a real human and it got you your result and it's just such a case study right? there for everybody listening that doing the same thing. You've always been doing is not going to get you what you want, you have to change. What you've been doing and have the courage to experiment with something different if your outcome is something entirely different than what you've been focusing on and your prime example of that in this and it led it hopefully has led to a really cool deal and I know you'll smash that out of the park if you sign it and then you have like hopefully a lasting relationship.

01:05:15.53
Slater Moore
Yeah.

01:05:21.13
Slater Moore
Exactly and then it could be Yeah, then it can be exactly more contracts down the road or different kinds and you know? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:05:22.99
smacey
And that's the whole point.

01:05:30.51
smacey
Um, pray.

01:05:34.17
smacey
Um, right? Aaron how's your camera your battery lasting. Sometimes we have to race with Aaron because his Sony decides to.

01:05:36.10
aaronmannes
Good stuff. 2 bars left.

01:05:43.60
Slater Moore
What did kid in Osmo Baki you lose her. Ah.

01:05:50.63
aaronmannes
Wow what the fuck I know no I like that Sony I do in an s log and I have to color correct. Yeah, they do as soon as I got this beard. They're like.

01:05:51.80
smacey
Ah, we're both on the Osmo dgi who will never ever endorse this because they're too massive.

01:05:59.59
Slater Moore
Dude ah Sony this will Sony sponsor you guys.

01:06:05.17
smacey
Um, now they don't they make Aaron pay for buttons on his camera that fall off.

01:06:07.87
Slater Moore
As soon as they saw your prime 65000

01:06:10.60
aaronmannes
All right.

01:06:14.15
aaronmannes
Yeah, oh they they do.

01:06:14.81
Slater Moore
Okay I have I have a question for you guys. So a lot of you can say without a doubt that a lot of wildlife photographers are whatever they are Instagram or people creators that are using prime lenses. Does their content seem to do better There is a certain look to it right? like there's that there's a it's just a different look right? How do you guys feel about. Do you think like like I use a 10500 because that lens is $13000 do you think like let's say you got the lens would it change your.

01:06:32.36
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, yeah.

01:06:43.76
aaronmannes
Um, yep.

01:06:48.41
Slater Moore
You think it would change your like views just based on like the clarity and sharpness and like the look of it all.

01:06:51.85
aaronmannes
No I don't I I think those typically people that are going to invest in a $12000 lens that is their passion to your point they're going out all the time they're going to an.

01:06:52.48
smacey
Now.

01:07:10.72
aaronmannes
An eagle's nest a hundred times in a row to get that clean clear shot or the perfect lighting or whatever it may be and that's what makes along with great equipment. But that's what makes a really nice photo or video moment. Is that they probably have 200 videos that suck comparatively or there's a branch in the way or this or that or whatever and I think your so your skill in ability to be able to edit and photoshop and clean up a background or blur things out a little bit or make it a tad bit sharp but also appear soft. Like I think that skill can go a long way I don't think it's ah you need the lens by any means.

01:07:51.40
Slater Moore
Yeah I don't think you I don't think you necessarily need the lens but I do going back to those videos of people showing off their gear. Do you think? do you think it's more of a hook to show that ah, clearly it's a telescope so like exactly so I'm gonna rent 1 from one of these rental places.

01:07:57.27
smacey
I was just going to say yes you literally stole the words out of my mouth I was like the prime lens is now the hook because people are like.

01:08:02.90
aaronmannes
Um, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah.

01:08:10.62
Slater Moore
And go shoot because I found a bobcat spot and it's a lot of fun and I just curious if I lift up that stupid lens in slow motion if it does better just I have to test it? yeah.

01:08:13.76
aaronmannes
Um, sick. Yeah, do it.

01:08:20.59
smacey
Um, it's a prop I was just going to say that people have been using this lens now as a prop.

01:08:24.19
aaronmannes
Do it attach a garbage can to the end of your lens and just joke it.

01:08:28.52
Slater Moore
Yeah, but that's that I can't I'm not going to do it be I You know it's I'm so sad you did that because I'd like to meme it like you did, but like you already have I think you should roll with that that stickk that you got because it's pretty good. Yeah, but no I think I'm going to rent it and I'm going to test it. It's just also I've I've never shot a prime which is like.

01:08:35.57
aaronmannes
Forever. You should.

01:08:45.82
Slater Moore
Ever. So I'd like to shoot one of those bigger lenses just to see what it's like yeah yeah, oh for sure.

01:08:49.46
aaronmannes
It'll be amazing I think I think for the little bit of help with low light I mean that's a huge bonus because usually wildlife is when it's a tad darker and it's like the lighting sucks here and now my isos bumped to 10000 whatever it is and you're like ah.

01:08:53.49
smacey
Um, right.

01:09:06.44
aaronmannes
Good photo but it's gonna be noisy. Got to do a lot of work I think it's It's definitely going to help there but who knows.

01:09:09.40
Slater Moore
Yeah I But yeah.

01:09:10.68
smacey
Yeah, you just see you see someone holding the the ginormous lens in a set of carousel photos and you're like whoa. They're legit.

01:09:16.79
Slater Moore
And then you're like what do you get? What do you get? What do you get though? I think that's what it is. It's like here look at my lens but and they're like what is he shooting with that I think no matter who it is. They're like what is he shooting with that then it's like either an eagle or a lion or whatever it is right? but I think it does stop people and say like well what is he going to use that big lens for now tell them.

01:09:19.70
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

01:09:33.45
aaronmannes
Yeah, like oh this is going to be good.

01:09:36.76
Slater Moore
Yeah balins whale watching. It's just not possible which is why I'm never invested in thatlet like so it's expensive. Yeah.

01:09:37.24
smacey
Um, I think that's a photograph. Yeah I think that's a photographer's perspective. What's he what is he or she going to get with this but I think the other side to because ah a lot of the time I would imagine as wildlife photographers as nature photographers that the photographer. Community is small like it gets to a point where you don't just want photographers following you obviously and you want wildlife enthusiasts you want everyday people who are amazed by nature and just the fact that that lens is so massive and that the majority of people have never even fathomed or seen a lens that big There's like.

01:10:12.52
Slater Moore
Yeah, I'm yeah and you kind of get that with lens right? like any any bigger lens like you I don't know if you got what you? what? what you use for as far as your like telehoto lenses. But yeah is that Sigma or.

01:10:15.42
smacey
Whoa What is that? do you? what? I mean.

01:10:18.70
aaronmannes
Um, no.

01:10:23.25
aaronmannes
Two two hundred to 600 from somebody. It's nice Sony.

01:10:30.41
Slater Moore
So okay, yeah, so like those lenses I mean they're big and white and they flash it like they look you know everybody asks the same question even on my boat when I pull out the 10500 in question.

01:10:34.45
smacey
Um, well you remember? yeah remember when you meet Jason and Adam were walking looking for bobcats and we were walking with these giant we were walking with these giant like Lenses Jason had his full.

01:10:42.25
Slater Moore
And let me guess Jason got yeah.

01:10:50.75
smacey
Cine Himma Tripod and like c 200 and there was 4 of us and people on the trail are just like. Are you guys part of like a nate like if people just stopped. They're like.

01:10:51.18
Slater Moore
Yeah I did.

01:10:57.30
Slater Moore
Yeah, dude, you know what's funny is Jason's camera whole camera setup is probably like $3000 at this point because it's a c two hundred. It's an older cinema camera and like he is a set he ah he uses like a one hundred fifty to six hundred which I'm pretty sure's a pretty cheaper. It's a.

01:10:59.55
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, yeah.

01:11:12.47
smacey
Right.

01:11:15.20
Slater Moore
A lot cheaper lens than like the name brand ones and so but he'll get stopped so much like it's funny because I'll have like my c seventy at the wide angle that technically costs more this than his whole entire setup because mine's just newer like the c seventy s a newer version of the c 200 basically and but they'll they'll see his all rigged up.

01:11:27.75
smacey
Um, right.

01:11:31.42
Slater Moore
And they're like whoa is it? What's that for you filming like a documentary and all that and yeah, it's it's funny.

01:11:33.10
smacey
Right? So that's to my point like the whole the giant lens can be even when you see people all camoed out like in the gily suit. They could just be in like a park but people are thinking Wow like.

01:11:36.00
aaronmannes
That's funny.

01:11:41.27
Slater Moore
Yeah I know. Okay.

01:11:43.90
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:11:49.45
smacey
Ah, person's a professional. They're intense. They could just be in their backyard. So it's interesting how you can use wardrobe and props for even you can even face paint like 2 black lines Rambo style and people are like whoa. You're just all, you're doing is developing hooks.

01:11:53.66
aaronmannes
Yeah.

01:11:55.79
Slater Moore
To hook.

01:12:02.64
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

01:12:04.47
Slater Moore
Yeah.

01:12:06.39
smacey
Developing hooks for social media I get that. That's also part of the game look good feel. Good play Good I mean I used to think it was all about Camo look at my profile picture I'm in hip waiters in the water with my camel like lens all wrapped do I need to be like that.

01:12:20.17
aaronmannes
Um, yeah now. Yeah.

01:12:20.63
Slater Moore
Yeah, do you do you know? if can you collab with 3 people I think you can right like on Instagram okay, we should do a collab on my boat and like we'll all paint ourselves blue or notice like paint ourselves blue or something and then shoot whale and like shoot like show us and then show a whale.

01:12:24.10
smacey
No.

01:12:33.16
smacey
Ah, killy suits. Ah.

01:12:37.39
aaronmannes
Ah, camo.

01:12:39.89
Slater Moore
Like they don't good like it's just like did you don't need that on the bow like there's a big old boat. Ah right next to them like they don't care like not that they don't care but you like this is like the the hiding yourself doesn't matter to a whale so it's just like all those things don't work for a whale like well.

01:12:41.72
aaronmannes
Right.

01:12:44.37
smacey
Here? yeah.

01:12:50.17
smacey
Right.

01:12:54.73
aaronmannes
Control.

01:12:57.29
Slater Moore
The way old niche man like all the fun you know gily suits and holding your big lins up and I to like just talk.

01:12:59.52
smacey
Yeah, my favorite is that you filmed me on your boat is my first time ever shooting whales and I'm like a dog in a car trying to stand up and he's like set your set your shutter speed to 1 over 3200 auto Iso and whatever and just continuous high speed and this whale breaches out of the water and on video you see me go and I go I got to post a video It's so funny I'm like a little kid and he.

01:13:30.37
Slater Moore
You you see? Yeah, it's actually crazy because I don't yeah I don't think about it when I'm on the I don't think about standing up when I'm on the boat I guess just second nature to me but watching you shoot the whales pretty funny. Yeah.

01:13:32.99
smacey
Someone who's done this every day like does this all the time. It's like oh my god.

01:13:37.55
aaronmannes
That's fine.

01:13:47.77
smacey
Yes, and looking through the screen is just like there was no horizon. It was a washing machine. Dude I've never been seasicking my life until that day. It was not. There was big swells. We almost didn't even go out.

01:13:47.83
aaronmannes
That's why he got seasick being on a boat and but looking through looking through the camera. Yeah who that's what gets me That's what gets me.

01:13:49.44
Slater Moore
No, it was foggy. He got sick because it was foggy. It got really foggy I don't know. Yeah, funny thing is it is actually a pretty nice day I think it wasn't bad right? Yeah. Now. Yeah, oh you're right? we were gonna have bad weather like that that day or the next day you're right in the afternoon I think the weather picked up. Yeah, still though you got Rizzo you but that's the thing is like people think it's I don't know what people think actually about whales I don't know. Did you think it was going to be as hard as it was.

01:14:07.68
smacey
I would have loved at least that their other our other buddy with us would have gone sick with me.

01:14:08.59
aaronmannes
Um, ah.

01:14:12.82
aaronmannes
Are.

01:14:14.58
smacey
Yeah.

01:14:26.67
smacey
Um, I tend to go into things with 0 expectations because if your expectations are too high reality ends up being negative right.

01:14:28.30
Slater Moore
Yeah.

01:14:33.76
Slater Moore
Yeah, okay I definitely have had some like landscaper Tripod kind of people out on the boat that have never shot whales and then they're very like discombobulated and it's hard for them to are Dis disoriented when it comes to shooting the whales or like you know like they're at one o'clock or I've seen that. So.

01:14:47.30
smacey
Um, good word.

01:14:53.63
Slater Moore
Yeah I think people don't understand they go down to like they hold their breath and go down. You know there's a lot to it.

01:14:57.27
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

01:14:58.30
smacey
Well, what was very helpful before we even started you walked over me, you're like shutter speed like you saw the whale in the distance I don't know how you saw it was a little blip right? and you're like okay, we're gonna go over there right? But you're just adapted to to noticing that kind of stuff and you go.

01:15:05.87
Slater Moore
Yeah, caught my eye it breathed. That's why it like tail through or something and I saw the splash. Yeah.

01:15:14.81
smacey
Shutter speed 3200 but get ready burst. It's going to go over here. Be ready and I was like oh my god that you just saved me half an hour of tinkering I probably wouldn't have gotten those whale shots that I did if it wasn't for your expertise and there's something about.

01:15:20.48
Slater Moore
Um.

01:15:24.30
Slater Moore
Yeah I see if you're like not feel it.

01:15:30.44
smacey
I could have walked onto your boat and said oh I know my gear I'm a wild bay photographer this can't be that hard. Whatever I've been on boats before but I think in this instance, having a level of humility knowing you're the expert and just saying I'm going to do what Slater tells me to do because despite my knowledge he's the pro in this out on the ocean.

01:15:33.87
aaronmannes
Um.

01:15:50.10
smacey
And you know had I had let my ego get in the way and just I know what I'm doing I would have missed those shots So there's something to be said for that you know.

01:15:53.53
Slater Moore
Yeah, yeah, it's just I don't I Actually don't shoot Auto Io So but that's only on my own thing. Most people I do that shoot on the water. No shoot that shoot on the water Shoote Auto because it makes sense right? Like if the whale is on one side.

01:15:56.52
aaronmannes
Yeah, for sure.

01:16:12.60
Slater Moore
Front lit and then you go and then it's backlit and it jumps like you know scrolling. But I my eyes so on my thumb. So I don't know I just kind of scroll it a lot I feel like especially if it's foggy like you can't have your Iso high because then it like just blows out so you kind of have to like actually drop your iso a lot like sometimes it'll drop to like a hundred and shoot. You know.

01:16:25.84
smacey
Yeah I think you told me what I sort of do now that I'm thinking about I don't think I did iso I think you were telling me all these settings and I was like yes sir Roger that.

01:16:31.13
Slater Moore
Yeah, but auto is a lot of people che auto it makes sense especially with wild I think in general people shoot auto for wildlife just because yeah and you just set your minimum and maximum Iso range right? which is so helpful. How crazy is that you just set your Iso range. You can do whatever you want with cameras.

01:16:39.53
smacey
Um, yeah, and then you can adjust.

01:16:41.83
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

01:16:48.53
smacey
Yeah, very cool.

01:16:50.48
Slater Moore
So crazy. Oh I have more.

01:16:50.52
aaronmannes
Yeah, it's true I was wondering if I could get ah stats on what percent of the camera I use you know in terms of data or tinkering how like how much how many menu items there are and like what percent do I Actually utilize. Yeah I wonder.

01:16:58.94
Slater Moore
Oh yeah, dude yeah know right? once you said it to like like what are you even change in there besides like once you okay, let's save for if for foot for photos you're setting it to raw and then you're I don't know if you're at the Sony has like.

01:17:02.46
smacey
Oh 5 I would put mine at 5

01:17:08.30
aaronmannes
Yeah.

01:17:18.38
Slater Moore
You can set it to different things like animal tracking right or car tracking or people so you set it to animal and then other than that or know what else spot metering or like I don't know what? ah like evaluative metering and that's it I don't know like.

01:17:21.82
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, let it go.

01:17:27.35
smacey
Um, does the a 7 r 5 have bird tracking like animalpecific. Wow.

01:17:29.93
aaronmannes
Yeah, yeah, bird and animal and then you can do an animal bird combo.

01:17:31.68
Slater Moore
See that's that's the thing about Sony is the tracking so crazy. That actually brings up a question I have so you know how that a 9 3 came out and it has like the million fps and all that how do you guys feel about that I saw this I saw this video on Instagram and the guy was just like for holding it down and it's like a whole soccer game or whatever it was.

01:17:45.10
aaronmannes
Yeah, yeah.

01:17:57.55
Slater Moore
And the guy and like a lot of the comments and that's where I got the whole like going back to film thing was like someone said on there like you're not even composing your shot though. You're just blasting on auto auto focus and 1000000 frames a second and you're just. And you're going to go back and look through and crop and edit. You know what? I mean like I don't know does that is that kind of take the photography out of it and like lining up your Shaw in a way. Super helpful. Um, you know.

01:18:18.99
smacey
I Guess we yeah.

01:18:19.30
aaronmannes
Yeah, yeah I I like bird photography for. For example, there, there's nothing more frustrating and rewarding than having a bird insight on a branch and waiting for it to take off.

01:18:36.69
Slater Moore
Yeah, oh.

01:18:39.25
aaronmannes
And then you get tired and you put your camera down and then it takes off like that's a real thing but now there's like this you know second before second after buffer that before you even press the shutter. It has memory and it's taking photos so you're you're not going to miss that point.

01:18:44.12
smacey
Um.

01:18:56.13
Slater Moore
God.

01:18:59.15
aaronmannes
So I don't that's not as exciting to me now if it's your livelihood to capture those moments and I guess it's really useful and really worthwhile. But I like the game of like ah damn it I missed it by 1 frame or like.

01:19:03.66
Slater Moore
Yeah.

01:19:12.85
Slater Moore
Yeah, yeah.

01:19:15.38
aaronmannes
You know and then then times that you get it. It's so so rewarding I think that that camera is unbelievable. Um.

01:19:19.79
Slater Moore
For photos. But for video like yeah for photos the thing is like for me if a whale breaches you you kind of want that peak of the like you won it fully out of the water back turned you know like you want that peak of the breach so you can almost be delayed as a photo you can be delayed.

01:19:36.30
aaronmannes
Um.

01:19:39.78
Slater Moore
But for video you can't be Delayed. You've had have already started recording so you need now you need a whale that's consecutively breaching over and over and then you have to like choose where it's going to breach out the next time and hope that it breaches in your frame and not half into your frame or half going out of your frame. So. I Think for a video like that pre-roll stuff is going to be huge is huge, right? like Red has it. Um, there's my C seventy technically has it I think but I don't use it I haven't used it.

01:19:59.40
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

01:20:03.35
aaronmannes
But I mean this tony does one 120 clicks per second you know so you're basically making a slow motion film and super high quality that you can put it all together.

01:20:11.90
Slater Moore
Which does look really cool I've seen some people put like at it does look pretty to pretty fun like real to make I think.

01:20:20.89
aaronmannes
The I think the payoff though or the um the crux of it is the megapixels are small right? It's like it's only 24 megapixel camera

01:20:26.22
Slater Moore
Yeah, oh yeah, so bad even though that's like so good.

01:20:31.74
aaronmannes
And and the and the light dynamics like aren't as great as some of the other ones as a rolling shutter or mechanical shutter I'm sorry five R five.

01:20:36.27
Slater Moore
Yeah, what camera what do you? What? what? do you shoot on a seven four r four okay what do you? and what do you have Seth. Yeah, she's a really good camera to what do you guys? Do you guys think we're gonna just.

01:20:43.19
smacey
Yeah, a 7 3 right now.

01:20:49.14
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

01:20:52.67
Slater Moore
I don't know what's there's already like medium format camera like there's cameras with a hundred megapixels right now. But I don't know is that just what it's gonna get to because it's's it's gonna stop at some point and it's just Goingnna be really nice glass and it's gonna be like we're just gonna ah like auto focuses will get better things like that like where are we gonna end with photography that it's like it's just there's not much else. You can do other than.

01:21:11.80
aaronmannes
It's going to become the it's going to come back to the artist or it's going be. It's going to bring it so available to the masses which it already is right like someone can pick up a camera and if they go for it within months you can be like you're a good photographer like it. It doesn't.

01:21:12.20
Slater Moore
Shoot it.

01:21:18.72
Slater Moore
Yeah.

01:21:25.85
Slater Moore
Or you have clean shots now. Yeah yeah, exactly.

01:21:29.39
aaronmannes
If clean shot. So or you you might have an eye for it. You might dive into the editing you might get a style and it it looks it looks good and I'm sure you're going to improve but like pretty quickly you can be decent if you have the gear and you have the desire to be good.

01:21:46.40
Slater Moore
Yeah.

01:21:46.14
smacey
A.

01:21:47.73
aaronmannes
Like there's Youtube things everywhere. There's I can Instagram any photographer on here and maybe they reply to me and give me some tips you know like it's it's much easier than it used to be thirty years ago forty years ago to be like you know photography. Oh I have to go to a dark room and and edit my like give me a break.

01:22:04.51
Slater Moore
Yeah, yeah.

01:22:05.60
aaronmannes
Like no one knows what that I don't know what that means now like I would how I would couldn't walk my way around a dark room without hitting into a wall literally. So now it's just a different story I think it comes back to the human and the artist and the like.

01:22:11.58
Slater Moore
Yeah.

01:22:12.18
smacey
Fix.

01:22:21.79
aaronmannes
I'm going to set up this shot I'm going to create this narrative I'm going to I have this idea that I want to capture and I think that's the stuff that shines through a lot and then then there's a whole. There's a whole layer below that that's like I don't know.

01:22:29.56
Slater Moore
Yeah.

01:22:38.29
aaronmannes
It's not necessarily my style. There's this Instagram guy is it Jodi Kole Koek Ko like he does all the cool as videos that are just like um they're just tricky like plays on.

01:22:45.92
smacey
Yeah.

01:22:53.88
smacey
Um, Jordi Colitic Yeah colitic.

01:22:57.51
aaronmannes
Kola Dick thank you ah calllytic calllitic there. We go? Yeah calllitic. Um, they're just such cool videos and almost everyone that he puts out I'm like ah what a simple but great idea. They're they're just really really smart and you can tell and he's doing a lot of it on a cell phone now. They're just artistic abstract.

01:23:21.32
Slater Moore
What is it? What are the videos about like little films man I found this page the other days. Um.

01:23:24.90
smacey
Um, they're just engaging. Yeah, but the the kicker is there's so much behind the scenes footage ready. That's that's the interesting part and that's the to what we were talking about if if gear is just so.

01:23:30.63
aaronmannes
Yeah, that's what he does.

01:23:41.46
smacey
Become so good that everyone can just about hit that level of that high caliber being able to either a showcase The human element behind it and or B ah you know.

01:23:53.39
Slater Moore
Yeah.

01:24:00.26
smacey
Actually purposefully take a step back with quality of gear and get a near similar result will be admirable right in 10 years from now if you go and you grab a Dslr and you make something crazy and you film behind the scenes I'm using a Dslr he will be like whoa. That's amazing for that archaic camera.

01:24:08.10
aaronmannes
Um.

01:24:17.26
Slater Moore
Yeah.

01:24:18.35
aaronmannes
Also back to Slater's point I think the people that actually go out every day to get that perfect orca shot that rare thing you're not doesn't matter what camera you have you're like you're going to get it but the work the thousand of days before that.

01:24:20.80
smacey
Right.

01:24:27.99
Slater Moore
Yeah.

01:24:37.74
aaronmannes
That you went out and didn't get crap. That's what's going to be rewarded. There's gonna be a whole bunch of camera people that like just think going out into wildlife is doing those cool reels and you're you're in the woods in your full you know, ah full garb and. And that's what's going to happen and then you're gonna see an amazing Fox interaction. It's not It's not how wildlife works it's day after day after day in the cold you do you do Ah, but that's what it is and I think that's what's going to be rewarded is like.

01:25:01.54
Slater Moore
Now you have to leave your camera at home to see the animal.

01:25:08.74
smacey
It's ah.

01:25:13.76
aaronmannes
Wow, you saw that like how did you see that and it's like no it wasn't luck I was out there for freaking three hundred days in a row.

01:25:20.82
Slater Moore
Yeah I I think we're moving to um, bringing value like like your content needs to like bring value or you need to show the behind the scenes of I think showing how you got there is going to be bigger than how you got there like or like the the final product is just.

01:25:21.31
smacey
Um, yeah.

01:25:36.42
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

01:25:38.90
Slater Moore
I think that the behind the scenes and and I'm pretty sure like if you look at all the Bbc documentaries for nature and stuff now now they're all putting. It's not just Bbc might be silverback but they're putting the behind the scenes out for those like the ones on Netflix have behind the scenes like full in their episodes which is really cool and those are actually.

01:25:51.50
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, very cool.

01:25:56.00
Slater Moore
From a photographer standpoint or you know some photographer standpoint. It's cool to watch them using rigs and you know all the stuff they use to get these shots are yeah so I do think the behind the scenes which is why that hook of people lifting their camera up does so well, it's just like whoa this guy. That's what he looked like and that's where he was he was in a Safari vehicle.

01:26:01.21
aaronmannes
How they're capturing. Yeah.

01:26:15.21
Slater Moore
You know are on a boat or.

01:26:17.74
aaronmannes
Seth believe it or not I just came up with a golf analogy for this I know everyone you're impressed, but when tiger woods came out. He was a a 4 forerunner in athleticism.

01:26:19.22
smacey
Wow Leave it to you.

01:26:28.64
Slater Moore
Ah.

01:26:33.80
aaronmannes
No one was doing what he was doing in terms of lifting working at the gym working at the game and he went ahead leaps and bounds. He had a great career but towards his end people started doing that. Became the new golf now golfers for the most part are athletes you think Dustin Johnson he can dunk a basketball you know from right under the rim. Ah Brooks Kepka is a linebacker like all these guys care about their fitness a ton and then his. It just sort of evened out the playing field I think that's kind of what's happening. But the people that put that extra part forward that extra step forward that extra work that extra you know what? I've been out four days in a row. It's raining today like I don't want to go out again. But I'm going to. Like those are the people that again will the cream will rise to the top in no matter what field it is.

01:27:29.66
Slater Moore
I agree.

01:27:31.52
smacey
Yeah, and what you were saying about going out every single day and how all those days where you don't get anything and on the one day you do it reminds me of the it's the stone cutter's creed or it's a quote by Jacob Rees if you heard this one I pulled it up so didn't butche it because you were making me think of it. Umco is when nothing seems to help I go and look at a stone cutter hammering away at his rock perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it yet at the one hundred and first blow it will split in two and I know that it was not that blow that did it but all that had gone before It's also in the so San Antonio spurs locker room. Um, and I think that just kind of encapsulates that entire concept of you you striking out or you're feeling like you're getting nowhere. You're getting nowhere you getting nowhere but all that work isn't wasted because it's a day that you get your outcome whatever that happens to be.

01:28:12.70
Slater Moore
Now what.

01:28:29.10
smacey
It wouldn't have come without all that nothingness quote.

01:28:30.21
aaronmannes
Not that we not that we have to list people out, but you see people on Instagram and you're like oh I know they go for it every day you know you can just tell there's a difference between the occasional post and like even if they're not.

01:28:39.89
Slater Moore
Yeah.

01:28:45.47
Slater Moore
Oh you say that with me dude to the whales like the amount of freaking whale content I have like I have so many these little ssds. It's crazy like and it's and like I get I'm so tired I wish I could find someone to edit.

01:28:49.32
aaronmannes
Yeah. Um, man look at your look at your content. Yeah.

01:28:57.65
smacey
Yeah, yeah.

01:29:04.68
Slater Moore
Whale content for me. But yeah I just it's just it's a lot but you people people probably know like I go out every day but like you can't say the same for any other and that's why I have barely I have like Africa that I was very fortunate to go to.

01:29:08.24
aaronmannes
Um, yeah, yeah.

01:29:20.30
Slater Moore
Churchill with Seth and now I went to yellowstone and like those are the like the 3 ah like ah land wildlife things I've done but that's why I don't have tons of lions and tons of wolves and tons of you know coyotes and all that stuff because I haven't done it but I have I go away watching every single day and you can see that.

01:29:31.88
smacey
Um, right.

01:29:35.10
smacey
Well, you just inadvertently put an ad out for a editor internship position.

01:29:40.54
aaronmannes
Yeah, apply with him.

01:29:40.77
Slater Moore
You got to be able to dub in whale a sound or wail like blows and all that stuff.

01:29:47.36
smacey
Um, no, no, but seriously maybe somebody who's like we just talked.

01:29:49.11
aaronmannes
You Oh what? do you need I can do it.

01:29:51.65
Slater Moore
Okay, not even I don't need a humpback songs I need like actual like audio whales tails dripping water and all that stuff if you could do it I'm not good at it. So if you could just do it as good as me. That's great.

01:30:03.30
aaronmannes
Um, Bush oh ah.

01:30:06.48
smacey
Um, yeah know Well we talked about this whole episode practicing. Maybe there's somebody out there who wants to practice with super high quality footage right? and making some stuff. So.

01:30:12.10
Slater Moore
Take it I think that's another thing I don't want to do is sit there and upload it online somewhere like it just sounds like the biggest hassle I'd rather have 7000 of these things. Yeah dude's late for yeah.

01:30:15.53
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

01:30:18.28
aaronmannes
The.

01:30:24.95
smacey
Um, that never see the lighted day. That's awesome. Well.

01:30:25.47
aaronmannes
Ah, yeah, that's funny.

01:30:29.96
Slater Moore
Have some labeled footage. What does that Even mean how am we going to know what's in there. Ah, that's a good one. Hopefully it was good.

01:30:34.26
aaronmannes
Okay, yeah.

01:30:35.51
smacey
While buddy we've gone an hour and a half with you. That's it's our longest in a while um, Slater's a good friend you're a good friend I look forward to talking you 2 to 3 times a week as per usual running ideas off 1 another I think I talk to you 2 the most other than Haley. So um.

01:30:44.61
Slater Moore
I Know here call mess up.

01:30:48.57
aaronmannes
Um, yeah.

01:30:53.22
smacey
Somebody said for that too get somebody. You can run ideas by somebody who may see something in a different perspective as you do you know? who might give you honest feedback and objective opinion of how you could do something better or may reinforce the things you're doing right? and um, you know back to that whole.

01:31:12.69
smacey
And whole theme of growing together. There's enough cake for everyone right? So there's more than enough. So again buddy I look forward to seeing you wherever that may be whether that's back in California whether that's in its will.

01:31:14.64
Slater Moore
Oh yeah, definitely.

01:31:17.39
aaronmannes
Yeah.

01:31:22.12
Slater Moore
Come out. You guys got to come out after your trip come out. Did you guys sell your trip real quick all right? Well book that trip someone.

01:31:23.73
aaronmannes
Yeah I want to.

01:31:29.90
smacey
We got 1 spot left for Alaska as of right now. So if you're listening check that out link in the episode description. We have 1 spot left. But so now poor you all right guys.

01:31:29.12
aaronmannes
As now one spot.

01:31:37.68
Slater Moore
I wish I could go on that I can't swing it since we're going to Japan but it's not a bad thanks for having me.

01:31:44.19
aaronmannes
Um, that's cool. Yeah, tough tough life hi guys take it easy.

01:31:48.54
smacey
Till next time we'll see you soon.