The Chef JKP Podcast
The Chef JKP Podcast
Season 6 - Episode 1 - Sustainability Within Hospitality!
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Dive into Season 6 of the Chef JKP Podcast, now streaming on YouTube!
Host James Knight Paccheco welcomes a stellar lineup of culinary talents, CEOs, and industry experts, exploring the diverse flavours of the culinary world.
From business strategies to sustainability, mental health, and the power of human connection, each episode offers insights, inspiration, and a dash of laughter.
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Topics Discussed:
· Season 6 lineup featuring culinary talents and industry experts.
· Discussion on the importance of sharing the show for its growth.
· Themes explored in the season: food, memories, laughter, vulnerability, and life lessons.
· Insights from guests on business strategies, customer experience, and sustainability.
· Personal stories shared by guests about their culinary journeys and career highlights.
· Exploration of challenges in the hospitality industry, including work-life balance and mental health.
· Importance of communication and mentorship in fostering a positive work environment.
· Reflection on the power of human connection and the role of the hospitality industry.
· Call for kindness and understanding towards industry professionals.
· Invitation to engage with the podcast, leave reviews, and share with others for inspiration.
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Above all, lessons for life. You're listening to the Chef JKP podcast. (upbeat music) Welcome to season six, old and new friends of the show.
Now, in this season, as always, we have a stellar lineup of guests from Chefs. chefs to CEOs. We even have a doctor on the show. You know the format by now,
discussing their food history, career, vulnerable moments, as well as advice on how to be the very best in the industry. On this season, I have managed to secure some of the best culinary talents and gastronomic masterminds this region has to offer.
They are Steve Pyle. Pyle, the CEO of Chef Middle East. Judith Cartwright, founder and MD of Black Coral Consulting. George Lyon,
head chef of Broadway Brasserie in Emirates Palace in Abu Dhabi. Chang Sub Shin, CEO of 1004 Gourmet, and by the way, he brings in some crazy treats. Dr.
Dionisia, who is a halophite agronomist for the International Center for Bio -Saline Agriculture. based in Dubai, award -winning author, all -round hospitality expert and keynote speaker Marvin Albali,
Ben Milne, who is the head of commercial development for Chef Middle East, Anand Kumar, executive chef of Melia Desert Palm, you all know her, also Pancharli Mahendra,
who is the CEO of Atelier House Hospitality and she also has some phenomenal stories, please. The legendary Russell Impiazzi, who's the executive chef of Sofitel Dubai,
the Obolisk. And let's not forget, this guy has been in Dubai since 1996 or '97, and is a veteran and just an absolute legend, and we could not have had the show without him.
And of course, if we're talking about sustainability, we have to have Omar Shihab, who is the chief sustainability officer of Bokeh. Boca. So just for you guys all to know,
this season's sponsor is none other than Chef Middle East. And I have to say it's really exciting to get such a fantastic company on board. The things they stand for I really admire,
but don't take my word for it. You will hear from Steve the CEO and Ben Milne and they are just amazing people and of course they tell us all about the company.
However, without further ado, this is what you can expect to hear from the inspirational guests during this season. "Till now in my career I have never been so excited,
I mean as I am now, I mean I have never had this kind of feeling of fulfilment, in my job, in my workplace and through the topic that I am really working on, it's really fascinating." That must put you in a very good position.
different league business -wise because it means that people will literally think of only you to help them. Yeah, I wish it were that simple. I think we've watched really hard at that.
It's something that we try to instill in everybody who comes into our building to work for the business. It's the guy whom you help when he's really in a call.
will think of you in a very different way from everybody else. 100%. We want it to be kind of an experience, right? So when you're coming in,
we want you to enjoy spending your time there, because when you go to a supermarket, what do you want to do? You want to get in and get out, get your product and get out, right? And so, again, I think that's what a lot of people do in our shop.
A lot of the new customers, they come in, they browse around, they ask questions and What's going on?" get a completely different experience to what's available online, right? So also like you have like so many weird and wonderful things also in the cafe that you wouldn't necessarily have in a normal place.
- Thank you. - You know what I mean? So I think it is an experience and it is pretty cool. And also from a chef's perspective, if you've never been there, it is like Aladdin's Kate, I call it.
- The statement is finding the right price for the right customer. customer at the right time through the right channel. And behind that sits a what we refer to a revenue optimization process.
And that process starts with the data collection. So what data is being collected? How are the systems set up? So to interrupt, is that before the business is open or during?
Before. Okay. So pre -opening phase, it's all it's even before the whole concept is conceived. Okay. Is that you need to understand, okay, you know, who is the audience that you want to capture?
What audience do you want to cater for? And then how do you have to set up your business? Look, I think chefs, we have the ability to create change and do the right thing.
And I think every day you can do something nice for somebody else is a better day, right? And that's basic principle. So So do the right thing at every opportunity you can get. And as chefs, we do that for food.
And this goes back to some time in London where, and it kind of started really with when it was kind of London during lockdown. First of all, you need to go with what your gut says,
whether you should do it or not. And it should not just be about it's a pride project, or you have the financial accessibility to do something. So you're going ahead and doing it. I think most of the time people get it wrong. is I think more than a passion it becomes a pride project which shouldn't be the case and I think the due diligence is not done and they want to compromise on say paying a consultant a
certain standard of a project that should be done thoroughly versus cutting costs on those and finding somebody or doing it in house and then you know the quality. Yeah, my idea was to give the residents or the guests the best food which they have never tasted.
Because it's my capability, you know. If I am in this property, if something is not right, that means I'm not right. And it applies to everybody. So I made it a point that whatever is going on the guest table has to be the perfect one.
There's no point in going to work for an extra amount of hours if you can't smile and laugh at yourself. team, because for me, and my personality at least, I definitely need that. And then I think that's what you get the best out of people is that they feel comfortable at work.
They can talk to me about anything work -related and also outside of work. I'm there to listen to them. Service for me is a function. You know, you pick up dude dishes from the pickup window.
You bring it to the table. It's a function, right? You bring forks and knives, you refill wine. wine, your refill water, it's a function. Hospitality is a feeling. I remember your name, your favorite table,
I ask about you and your family, I make you feel welcome. So in all my training and all the work that I do, I never talk about service alone.
I always say service and hospitality, service and hospitality, service and hospitality until this becomes part of the DNA of anybody. company that I work for because you can't separate both of it.
You can't separate both. You can't and people do that. People separate service of hospitality. You shouldn't actually. We've done great by kind of growing at least 30 % every single year and over the next few we want to carry on that journey.
And as as the UAE from the wider region continues to evolve and food changes we need to make sure that we've got got the pieces in the jigsaw to be able to do that. We also need to look honestly at ourselves and our competitors and say actually you know we think they're really good at that.
We need to develop ourselves in that area and that's the process that I'm driving. But what that took is establishing kind of a setup with our accounts, with our accounting team is to say we're going to give cash in hand to our chefs to go to the market,
select what they want to select, and come back with a scribble note for a receipt. - How did they take that? - No credit terms, no purchase order. No, no, that was a, you know, I want this stuff.
This is a dedicated amount per week. That's all we're going to take. And I promise you, it's going to pay back. - That's so cool though. - Each season,
the show gets better and better. The guests are far more, more candid than ever before and this line -up of guests are Incredibly impressive because not only do we have the region's best culinary visionaries These guests went much deeper into their own trials and tribulations,
which I think you're going to draw so much inspiration from now as for me And another Ted talk is on the cards, which again a lot of pressure, but as you all know it's it's something I thrive on,
plus it gives me an opportunity to place myself outside my comfort zone. I'm still working on the theme, so as soon as I have made my mind up, I let you all know. At the same time,
a lot of foodie invites and press strips, which is always nice and it's an honour to be invited, but beyond that, it is always nice to see familiar faces. Talk to the chefs, the restaurateurs,
and the great thing is... giving feedback in a constructive way and it's really nice to give perspective from a chef's point of view and of course a diner's point of view.
Now one particular theme that keeps popping up in this season is sustainability. That word seems to be banded around the industry but the question is are we taking it seriously.
Cop 28 happened in Dubai this year. in January, I believe. And it seems that most governments are committed to long -term sustainability. For me,
the thing I'm interested in the most is human sustainability. How can we keep the industry growing? How can we keep it alive? And how can we attract the younger generations to want to be in the industry?
And let's not kid ourselves. Everyone is looking for a work -life planet. but at the same time, people want to dine out even more. So what is the future for chefs, kitchens, restaurants,
and front of house? Now, the hot topic which is always being discussed in foodie circles, whether we like it or not, is AI.
In one of the previous seasons, the owner of Three Fills, Ahmed, mentioned that he watched an interview on TV. TV. This interview took place in a certain country that was basically only wanting to have robots cook food,
as in the long term it was much cheaper. This was super shocking to hear, but it made me question, is this where the industry is heading? Many of the interviews or talks from chefs,
they all mentioned growing up with their grandparents or parents, they were cooking, helping them in the garden. visiting a market. All of these personal, yet intricate stories then create a spark of joy,
which then leaves these amazing professionals to take the plunge and deciding that hospitality was the right path for them. From a young age, I loved food.
But moreover, food was about seeing family together or celebrating an occasion. Thank you for watching. I did not decide to study food at all. I decided to study music at first,
which as you all know, I still love. I'm still shredding beats on the drums. I'm still playing guitar, but during my studies, I was working in hospitality, at first washing dishes,
then as a waiter, then as a barman, and then as they say, "I went to the dark side and stepped in the kitchen and haven't looked back since." The one thing that was always there,
no one discussed it. It was the amount of sacrifice you had to make in the world of hospitality, but nobody really told you when you started. Whenever anyone else is having fun or a celebration,
anything that involved just going out and being with a family or friends, you had to work. And okay, fine, you took it on board from the day you decided. to be in the industry but then what really happens to your mental health?
Who do you talk to? Is it your chef who also happens to be in the same boat and may even be in a worse place mentally? Is it your family? Is it your friends? Do they understand what you're going through or are they just not interested?
Now previous guests of the show have also mentioned the same thing that it can really take take its toll if you don't talk. So how do we combat this? Well, the good news is,
finally, we are openly talking about it, as to how we can make a better environment within kitchens, restaurants and hotels. Now,
there are also organisations which help everybody, including, and most importantly, I feel, senior management to better understand their teams. and how to get the very best out of everybody.
But what is the secret recipe when it comes to keeping our chefs and industry folk engaged? For me, I have to say, yes, I still work as a chef. My approach is firm,
but fair. So what do I mean by that? When it comes to the food aspect, when it comes to being on the pass, when it comes to anything work related, I'm still laser firm. focused and I'm still,
to this day, tough on my team. However, that's because I want them to become the very best, I'm also responsible for upholding the standards as well as delivering financial results to the business,
right? So that's really important. On the flip side though, if any of my team members, and I mean any of them, reach out it, if they have a personal issue, or I can see that they're walking around with it.
Thank you. heads down and they are not mentally in the game, they are not mentally in the kitchen. I 100 % make sure to step in and do that ever so simple thing just to ask a simple question.
How are you? What's going on? But I don't ask once. I ask like three times with eyes locked onto that person to ensure they know that I'm there. And what tends to happen is...
is after the third time, they immediately sort of say, "Yes, Chef, I want to have a quick chat please." And then we have literally at 10 minutes to understand what's going on, how to take those small but monumental steps to help.
And normally that chat is all it takes to lift their mood. But I have to say throughout my time in hospitality, and it's been some time, I only ever...
had one mentor who took the time to really talk to me when I was in a dark headspace and ever since then I also took it upon myself to talk to every single member of my team but it's really important just to talk reason being is that us humans doesn't matter whether you're an introvert or extrovert we all all crave connection in one way or another.
Do not underestimate the power of connection. It is so powerful. Just take your mind back to 2020 when the world stopped. We were all craving human connection by the end of this.
Some people were totally alone at that time, but what was incredible was the way we all tried to connect with one another, whether it was a live cook -along. -along, exercising,
listening to mental podcasts, whatever it was, we all wanted that connection. But these small and amazing steps kept us sane, or at least it kept me sane for a bit.
And then, straight after lockdown, where did you all go? Straight to your favorite cafe, restaurant, just to be somewhere where humans were. Now my whole point is,
the industry that I love the most, the industry that brings people together in the most powerful way through the old age tradition of breaking bread needs to be sustainable.
Not just for the planet, and of course we do take that into consideration, but also for future generations. And that's why I do the show. I listen to people's amazing stories,
but I also want to inspire the future generations. talents of tomorrow and yes of course it is tough at times but this industry is extremely rewarding and by the way if you're not in the industry just as a heads up the next time you die now just be nice that's all we ask even if we make mistakes it's never ever intentional I hope you you will enjoy the upcoming season.
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