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Season 6 - Episode 4 - Anand Kumar - The Accidental Chef !
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In this episode of the Chef JKP podcast, host James Knight Paccheco interviews Anand Kumar, the executive chef of the Melia Desert Palm Resort in Dubai.
Anand shares his journey from wanting to be a pilot to accidentally falling into the culinary world.
He discusses the challenges of managing Indian weddings, the importance of pre-openings in the hotel industry, and his decision to work in Dubai's gastronomic landscape.
Anand also talks about his focus on sustainability, farm-to-table concepts, and his aspirations for the future of dining in the region.
Topics discussed:
- Anand Kumar's journey from wanting to be a pilot to becoming an executive chef
- Challenges of managing Indian weddings and hotel pre-openings
- Focus on sustainability, locally sourced ingredients, and farm-to-table concepts
- Aspirations for the future of dining in the region
- Advice for young chefs in the industry
- Funniest kitchen incident involving a mix-up with brown butter and cream
- Anand's culinary heroes and favourite cuisines
- Reflections on his career and advice for his younger self
Key takeaways:
- Anand emphasises the importance of focusing on talent and skills rather than chasing fame or money in the culinary industry.
- He highlights the significance of following one's dreams and staying focused on achieving success.
- Anand's dedication to sustainability, sourcing locally, and creating delicious, authentic dishes for guests.
- The episode provides insights into Anand's career journey, challenges faced, and his passion for elevating dining experiences in the region.
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- In professional kitchen, I think theory is kept aside. Nothing happens with the theory. - What happens with the theory? is all about your your experience, all about your whatever you have learned.
Because you know, even if you read the book, book says something else. And when you get into the kitchen and hold the pan, it says something else. To be very honest, managing Indian wedding in India is a different ballgame.
You really need to plan and you can't go wrong. because it starts with like if you have to do the wedding in December you have to plan in January.
That advance because it's a big wedding 3000 -4000 now. My idea was to give the residents or the guests the best food which they have never tasted because it's my capability.
If I am in this property, if something is not right that means I'm not right and it applies to everybody so I made it a point that whatever is going on the guest table has to be the perfect one I mean you no one gets any chance to complain but yeah we also say that you know even if you put thousand dishes on the menu there is one dish which is always missing and even if you are serving 3000 guests you will
get get one guest who will not like anything. Of course. Well you can't cook for everybody's palette. Yes. On the show this week I talk to Anand Kumar,
the executive chef who is spearheading the famed Melia Desert Palm Resort in Dubai. Anand has been a chef for over two decades and in that time has worked for some major hotel brands in India.
Tanzania, Maldives, and now here in the UAE. We discuss his journey from wanting to become a pilot to then accidentally falling into the world of culinary.
We also discuss the hardcore logistics of Indian weddings as well as hotel pre -openings and why he decided to come and work in a vast gastronomic landscape within the Middle East.
Listen up. for a story involving a whiskey pairing and brown butter. Time to rock and roll. Just before we begin, here is a small message from this week's guest.
Hi, my name is Anand Kumar and I'm the executive chef at Melia Desert Palm. If you like the podcast, make sure you follow, share and subscribe. Welcome back to the chef,
the JKP podcast and the show today, we have Anand Kumar, the executive chef of Melia Desert Palm, located in Dubai.
Anand, welcome to the show. Thank you very much, JK. So, first things first, tell me your favourite ever childhood food memory. Okay,
so let me go take you back to my childhood memory. like you know, why I am chef now Just it's because of my mom. You know, she used to cook very delicious food around like she was to be very popular in Neighborhood,
so I mean she had a favorite dish which she used to make chicken so that dish like she had a unique recipe which Literally like pushed me to you know cook that chicken dish and I was very amazed with that taste and everything.
So I always try to, you know, understand what is that all about because tell me about the dish. I want to go into the details. Okay. The chicken is very typical North Indian chicken dish,
which is called chicken stir -fried. So in English, it's called stir -fried, but in Hindi, it's called chicken jalfrezi. So which is generally a very small cube.
So chicken, very tiny cubes. of chicken, and which has got a lot of chopped onion, garlic, ginger, then tomatoes, coriander. Everything is chopped. I mean,
nothing is made into paste. And those five ingredients are there. Nothing else to be put inside that. And the cooking process is really slow. I mean, you cannot cook it on very high flame.
So that used to be very slow flame whereas to wait for the chicken to be ready. be ready because mom used to tell me that if you want to eat really delicious one then you have to wait for the dish to be ready.
So and so I used to observe all this thing how she used to you know cook it because I always say like you know cook it from the heart not with the recipe and with other ingredients.
So she used to literally cook it with the heart and when I tasted that dish it was like mind blowing and still. I carry that recipe. And to be very honest,
even my son likes that dish. And he always calls me, whenever you are coming, just try to make that chicken for me. That's called grandma's chicken.
So he calls dadiwala chicken, which is grandma's chicken preparation. So that recipe is very unique amongst our family. And we have a set of recipes that you can find on our website.
and still it's the delicacy of their families like still it is being cooked and enjoyed by the family so that's the dish I can and how old were you when you sort of remember sort of tasting I think I was 12 I was 12 since that time so then growing up through your adolescence.
years What were the types of food that you would also have with your friends or on the streets or at school? Yeah, so to be very honest I have come from West Bengal called Katha You must have heard about that which is famous for food street food So I've grown up with eating,
you know typical Asian food Chinese food like we have a call place called there you will get 100 % of the people reciting these Chinese.
So they used to cook Chinese food and then lot of street foods are there like Kolkata, Bengali food. So those type of food I've grown up with like very unhealthy food,
to be very honest, but yet it's very tasty, I'm sure. It's very tasty. So I've grown up with them still, you know, I make it a point that that even if I get two,
three days of vacation from my family, I make it a point, I go to that place and three days, four days, I just go for a food walk with my friend. I mean,
that's, and that's why I'm like this. So then as you went into education, did you always want to become a chef or did you have a different path?
Well, I never wanted to be a chef, to be very honest. And on the other side, I was not a very potential, you know,
good student. You know, I was not a good student because I was mostly involved with my friends, outing, food joint,
all the things. So that was the thing. So I wanted to be a pilot. Yeah, I wanted to be a pilot, but without knowing my quality,
you know, whenever I used to see that, because in my area, there is a pilot place where they used to fly and everything. So that used to fascinate me. But I didn't know that I don't have education and qualification to be a pilot.
So then I thought, you know, I'm not getting any break. I don't know what to do. So I tried civil services.
I tried government services, but everywhere, nothing, nothing happened. So I was really very disappointed. And my elder brother is a doctor. And whenever Oh my God,
no pressure. So whenever I used to have a time for the result of my exam, he used to be on vacation. So that was a nightmare for me.
And so to be very honest, I never used to disclose my results to my family that I've already got the result. Because I know if he comes to know, he's going to give him hard time.
So that's why then I thought, okay, so on one fine day, you know, why just happen to, you know, see that hotel management and the qualification was plus two.
So, I thought, let me try that. So, I applied that, I gave an entrance test and I got through. Okay. So, I said, okay, let me grab this opportunity and actually something is there coming.
Let's try that. But my dad said, no, no, no, this is not the right area for you I said I know better than me I mean myself that I told I don't know then that year I did not appear for that I did not take admission in that hotel management then again one year nothing happened to me I said what to do then again next year I tried then again I got through then that was like in still adamant that no no no you
can't go can't go then Then I approached my neighborhood. I said, please help me out, please talk to my dad to just help me to take that mission. Then somehow it was managed and I took it.
And that was the only thing, I mean, that was the break I got that time. And I decided that I think God has given me this chance to, you know,
success, to be a successful person in my life. And from that day, I started like working like a donkey. Okay. Like a donkey, literally. So, and also before that,
when I used to be in school, I used to cook food for friends and everything. We used to go for a party or picnic outing. I used to make, make sure that I cook food for them because I used to believe that I have learned the recipe from my mom and I think I'm the good cook and I should show the way I should That I have learned from my mom so that happened and I got it through and I remember the first day of
the college And I was slicing the onion and all the the principal came to me I mean he was observing me. So he asked me have you worked in the hotel? I said no But I know the way you slicing the onion seems like you must have worked in the hotel and now you are coming here for to take the degree.
I said, no, no, nothing like that. So that helped me, you know, you know, building confidence in me that, you know, I am on the right track. And to be very honest, I thought like this is the way to move forward.
And I started working like a crazy. But where was your education? That's a hotel management college in Calcutta, IHM Taratola, which is to be very famous. So,
there are three years, it was a three years degree. So, it's three years. Three years. Talk to me through those three years. Did you do all of the sections of hospitality?
Was it mainly culinary? Yeah. So, we had majorly four departments, like front of us, housekeeping, and back of the house, which is engineering and the kitchen. So, obviously,
I was very fascinated about hotel, I mean culinary, but I spent time in all the department, but majorly focused in kitchen. So even when I had a training,
like we had a vocational training for six months. So generally what happened, it's a 52 weeks training divided into four departments. But I did like, I think 17,
18 days in all the department and rest of the department. I spend in the kitchen. - Hardcore kitchen. - Yes. - Kitchen. - So then how much of that was theory and how much was practical in professional kitchens?
- In professional kitchen, I think theory is kept aside. Nothing happens with the theory. What happens in the practical, the kitchen is all about your experience,
all about whatever you have learned because, you know, you read the book, book says something else, and when you get into the kitchen and hold the pan, it says something else. So generally,
you don't really relate to what you have studied, because practical is life. And book is, you can skip the page, you can stop the page,
you can read tomorrow. But cooking with the pan on the range is all live and you can't skip that. The process starts and you can't stop the process until and unless you finish your day.
So that's the thing. So take me through a sort of typical day at, you know, the culinary management level. How long were the days, first of all,
when you were training? So training, I mean, as I told you, I'm again going taking you back that that was the for last thing I thought I had that opportunity to you know prosper in my life So for me like we used to have 10 -hour shift But generally I used to do long -hour shift because I wanted to learn more I wanted to learn I always make it a point that I have whatever is assigned to me I've learned more than
that So generally I used to do you know night shift because night shift is the shift where in the college the college or in the hostel? In the hotel. In the colleges also. You know,
just to prep, make the kitchen ready for the next day morning. So you must have really loved it. Yes. I still loved it. You must have really been like - I still love it. I mean,
that's, that's why, I mean, everything, you know, when you have the desire to do something, everything falls into place. So that was the thing. So, you know, kitchen also, I used to lead the kitchen. in college.
I used to lead the kitchen. I used to be the team leader of the group. So everybody used to, you know, work, die to work with me.
It's like that. Because I started teaching my students, like not my student, my colleague there, you know, that this is the way how you make it. Because, you know,
even my principal had confidence in me. So I used to... leave the, you know, the group under me, that Anand will teach you the right way. So, and everybody was like,
to be honest, jealous of me. And then how come he knows more than us? So, and they used to, you know, want class with me.
Like, I was also a student and they were also a student, but they used to, they wanted me to work with them so that. they understand the right way and I used to really like it because during the first year only I mean I'm teaching them and that was a very great for me and I still relish that moment that yeah I mean during that time I mean I started teaching my colleague itself so that was the very I mean that
great success for me so once you've finished I just was your first proper hotel job? - All right. So, campus, we had a Oberoi,
we had Taj, we had Park. So there are a lot of campus scheme. I didn't go anywhere. So no break for me. I mean, I thought I'm gonna be a jobless because they used to pick up the very niche candidate who are good in theory because...
in interview they don't really see your expertise cooking but the theory about the book presents of mind how you present yourself and everything so I didn't get any break from any of the hotel so one fine day you know one of my close friends told me that hey Arun there is an ad in the newspaper J.
will be married to Mumbai is coming up with a new property why don't you try it I said, yeah, why not? Then I applied that online, not online, through post. That time I used to do a post written application and through the post office.
Then I think after some time I got an offer later that I've been selected for an interview, which is going to happen in Calcutta itself. I don't have to go to Mumbai. So I appeared for the exam.
and my friend also appeared for the exam. So GM came for the interview, Ilan Weil was the GM, first GM for JDBLO. So he came too and I was being interviewed.
So first he was interviewed by him, then he was into FNB service and I was into production. But while having interview, I told GM that I wanted to apply for culinary.
but it's written FNB service, but I'm keen on culinary. Then he immediately cut that FNB service and I put it culinary associate. That was the first happiness moment came to me and then I was called to join that property first time.
I joined in 2002 and there I joined because they wanted me to join. and because my examination was not finished. And so I joined there in January 2002 and I came back and in May I gave the exam.
I passed and I joined back and there I started my career and that was the first total JWM at Mumbai I started my career with. So that was the first success for me.
But the other thing I wanted to ask you is now if we fast forward. fast forward, you've worked in some incredible places like Maldives, Tanzania. But I want to ask you now,
because nobody really, I would say, people, they guide you along the way when you become an exec chef, but there's no particular way of teaching. You have to constantly learn on the job.
What's the toughest part for you as an exec chef throughout your careers? What is it? the education? Is it the HR? Is it having the right team in place with the right attitude?
What would you say it is? I think for me, it's been the team. That was the toughest part for me. Wherever I have gone, I started my career majorly with Hyde.
I started with JW Marriott and I think 11 years, 11 and a half years with Hyde. So everywhere, wherever I go, I see a different set of people, different mindset of people,
where they, you know, really don't understand what it's clearly all about, because they are just, you know, teenager and joined into hotel management,
not to make the career as a chef, but, you know, to get a job, to get a money. So that was the thing. And I have always faced problem with the team.
But touch word, I believe that if I train my team properly, the way I want, my job gets easy. And I believe in that. And since then, I've started working for the team.
So I always say, you care for the team so that they can be their best. So I always believe that since then. and whenever whichever property I go and I take up, I make it a point that my vision,
they understand. So I make their mind to understand my vision and try to understand then what is right, what is wrong, and what is the way forward. And once they understand,
it's easy for me to, you know, move the baggage up. So going through your career, let's say specifically in Hyatt now. when it comes to, you obviously got the local cuisine in India,
but are you also doing majorly international cuisines? Yes. I mean, what are those cuisines apart from the Indian local ones? Okay, to be very honest,
I don't cook Indian food. Yeah, being an Indian and I learned Indian food how to cook it because I started with, you know, pie cuisine and Japanese cuisine. So first,
in JW Marriott, I learned Thai food and I learned Japanese cuisine. Then I moved to Hyatt, where I learned Italian, then European cuisine. Then while I was in Hyatt,
I did a lot of food promotions like Singaporean, Moroccan, then Thai food festival, South African food festival. So there are a lot of food festivals I have done. with the hype.
So there, I mean, then you talk about Mexican, Italian. So, you know, it's a world cuisine I have learned. So well, when I was in India,
in one of the property where majorly the food composition was 70 % Indian food demanded by the guests. And the 20 -30 % is mixed of Asian and everything.
So I was falling short of that. Like, I mean, you know, that's the bread and butter end of the day. So, you know, I moved myself to, you know, banquet kitchen, where mostly the food was Indian.
And to be very honest, Indian food has also got different regional cuisine. You know, then if you talk about North Indian cuisine, it's very difficult.
And the people in North India, you know, there's a lot of people in North India who are very familiar with Indian cuisine. And they're very familiar with Indian cuisine. And they're very familiar with Indian cuisine. And they're very familiar with Indian cuisine. And they're very familiar with Indian cuisine. Indian food and spending time mostly cook Indian food.
And it took me two and a half years to learn typical, you know, Indian food. Now I can say that I can cook Indian food also. But then I started my career with international food,
ended up with Indian food. Yeah. So the other thing I wanted to sort of ask you is, everybody knows that Indian weddings are huge,
ginormous. Yes. Now, as an exec chef, you must have done a few in your time. Yes. Now. for those people who haven't perhaps attended an Indian wedding,
can you explain to us about the different live sections that you have and how you organise that? Because some weddings can be a small wedding, could be 300,
a large wedding could be 3000. How do you manage that? Yeah, so yeah, to be very honest, managing Indian wedding in India is a different ball game.
You really need to plan and I mean, really need to plan, Miss, really need to plan. You can't go wrong because it starts with like, if you have to do the wedding in December,
you have to plan in January. That advance because it's a big wedding, 3000, 4000 now. And what happens that you have a different venue. venues. Like Indian wedding generally has,
it's a pain. Yeah, it's a pain. It started with many rituals are there. Like morning, evening, late night, midnight. Everyone's exhausted.
Right? At 100 % exhausted. Yeah. Especially, you know, I feel pity for the bride and groom who has to be there. Oh my rituals.
We have got different food offering, you know? Night, midnight different, large different, evening different, like it's all about food, food, food. So you must have seen that Indians are,
you know, prosper in terms of stomach. So that was the thing. And, you know, we do at least 10, 15 times food tasting. - The almighty word.
- First, first, we got the, you know, this is the plan. This is the expectation and this is the money. So based on that, we design menu,
like morning days, evening days, and make sure that no dishes are repeated. Throughout the three days. Throughout the three days or four days until unless it is required by the party,
right? Yeah. So you have to make sure that and then after the menu is done, first, the drafting is done, we send the proposal. Okay, this is the menu that it goes to the wedding party.
And then they chose the menu and discuss everything. And after that, they, you know, they want to change this, why these that these after the menu is finalized,
then time comes for the food taste. okay? And the food tasting, it's really a nightmare, you know? It starts from all the events. And the food tasting is not for one or two percent.
It's a minimum 25 -30 by people, okay? So... Oh my gosh. It's a pain. I'm telling you. So you have to take into consideration everybody's opinion?
Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And... I'm telling you, I mean, it's here is much easier. Yes. They come, grab, go. Yeah. So, so after all the food tasting,
you know, you have to sit next to the table of bridegroom or their parents that, you know, you have to write all the possible notes while serving all the dishes. Okay.
Little spicy, little thickness, little dry, this garnish, these that that detail. Must drive you a bit mad, no? Yeah, yeah, I mean, but I'm used to that.
I mean, everybody is like that. You know, European food is much easier. Yeah. But, you know, Indian food is very difficult, you know, to manage, because especially when you talk about the regional cuisine,
so there are a number of regions. So, one thing they sometimes take, North Indian, dinner takes South Indian. Easter cuisine, you're like this, they take it out.
After food tasting and everything is done, then the final thing comes. And there, like, when I used to do, I used to be like mad,
because I used to follow for all the vendors, all the suppliers, you know, because your raw material has to be there in the kitchen. Otherwise you cannot cook.
and well advanced in time, production, quantity, quality, taste thing, you know? So it's a nightmare. - Serious, I mean, really. - And then, I mean,
it's kind of three, four days, sleepless night, you can't sleep it. To be very honest, you can't sleep it. Night also, they are cooking up to make sure that they are cooking the right way. Why I'm saying all this thing?
Because generally, you know, when we do Indian wedding, we get huge money. Huge money. And if everything, one thing goes wrong,
they generally ask for wave of the bill. No. Yes. Yes. Really? Yes. Not 100%, but okay. This event I have done, I didn't like this,
you know, you did not, you know, put the way we wanted. I, I don't want to pay this. it's a nightmare. And especially, you know, when you are driving this weddings,
people, I mean, even GM loves you because you get the most revenue for the hotel. I was gonna say yes, yes, they love you. And but on the other side, you're a job within stake,
like, you know, everything is on dry time. And after the event happens, you are relaxed and trust me and sleep for seven days. don't get it, you don't get it.
Next day, I think you have to plan for another one. - Oh my word. - So that's the thing. - Wow. But that's an-- - That's amazing experience for yourself, for the team. - Yes.
- I mean, not easy to manage those banquets. - Yes. Generally, you know, some of the team member collapse. - Yeah. - I'm not able to take it anymore. So-- - But also you have to put that into consideration,
right? - Yes. because it's so we generally what happened it doesn't happen with the team and the unit we generally hire team or take support from other hotels so generally it happens like that if a company like Hyatt is there so we take a lot of people from different hyatt right yeah if a south indian food is there we get people from south indian region of Hyatt so like this we manage it that's the best part of the
hotel obviously my team cannot make because they are meant for the hotel, not for bigger event. So that's the thing. Wow. Wow. What about also logistically,
to get the food, to ensure the team is in place, to make sure the tastes are there. I mean, it's it's a lot to deal with. It's a lot. It's a lot. But I mean, amazing. Amazing.
But yeah, I mean, those weddings are just absolutely phenomenal because when you're when you're in them. a fiesta, like this beautiful parties, smells, sights,
sounds, street food, but on another level, it's incredible. - I mean, I think 10 years, 12 years back, they've started experimenting with Indian food, like typical food presenting in a modern way.
This is what the requirement is, but there are guests like who likes the real, typical, local food. so you have to play with that. Yeah, that's the good part actually.
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Now back to the episode. - So then, if we fast forward, why did you choose Dubai? Why? Dubai? Now you are here,
Melya Desert Palm, beautiful property, you have locals, you have the equestrian club, there's lots of different things to go there. But why, from all of the areas in the world,
why did you decide to come to Dubai? Okay. I mean, to be very honest, I follow my dream, first of all, and I decided to work outside the country.
because I started my career in India and I've spent I think 15 years in India with different properties Yeah, so then as it decided to move outside and let me learn the way how Outside world is you know in the in the hospitality industry is on the boat So I took a break.
I mean I got a break basically Maldives that was atmosphere property property. And I started working there and it was a different ball game altogether. Mostly European crowd and food is majorly European food.
I was very happy. At least now I don't have to, you know, go into-- - Crazy Indian weddings, yeah. - These that and there are a lot of things which India does not have in terms of,
you know, ingredients. We don't get good beef. there because it's a it's banned in India. We generally, you know, try to get from illegal sources.
So when I came to Maldives, I started, you know, seeing all the different cuts of meat, different beefs and raw material, different. So that was the thing. And obviously different crowd altogether.
And then I moved to Tanzania. There is another level of design. another level of disaster. Not in terms of the people,
the guest or the hotel, in terms of the people you're working with. You know, it's very, it was a nightmare for me, you know, to make these people understand my vision.
They understand my vision, but they don't really act on that, but that was a nightmare for me. Then, how did you manage that? training and sleepless night?
You know how I would say like I don't know. It's it's there, you know Mindset is there that eight hours. They have to work whether they work or they don't work eight hours They are in the hotel.
Otherwise they are out But their mindset is not grown up with the hospital industry, you know, if you make a simple thing They will make a simple thing, but they don't they their mindset or you know,
the brain to innovate or think even one person ahead of that. So that's the thing. So if you work there, I mean, you really have to be not focused and be happy with the basic stuff.
You can't innovate there. You can't even, you know, make their mindset that what is good and what is bad. So that must have been very challenging for you. Very, very challenging. - Coming from all these standards,
doing everything perfectly, having a team that thinks about culinary. - Correct. - To then go into a country where it's just pure eight hours. We just do the job, but that's it. - Yes. - Tough.
- So, yeah. So, and I love pre -opening of the hotels because, you know, my skill set is like that, pre -opening hotel.
So, and in two years of time, did change over the hotel like the atmosphere where I was in Maldives. It was different standards and management all about when I came into the picture,
I started changing all the standards and everything. There I started making SOPs and there are a lot of new things started when I joined. So the owner of Tanzania Hotel Emerald Collection,
which was also a luxury collection. So he just happened to call me, he said, "Do you want to join me?" I said, "Where? Tanzania?" I said, "Tanzania." It's a pre -opening.
I said, "Yeah, that's the best part that I love pre -opening." And it's a big property like 250 villas and seven restaurants in Tanzania,
you know? So... I just say, okay, I'll join that. He said, I know your potential and I've seen your, and I had no clue whether where did he find me, whatever.
So he told me, see, money you can ask, rest, I know you can handle this property, like the Tanzania one. So I took that opportunity and I joined there and started doing that.
But you know, on the side, the other side, I started facing challenges of the road. people, like, you know, their mindset, you know, I went there with the vision that, you know,
I will do that as a number one hotel. I still that hotel is number one in Tanzania. Recently, it is taken over by some other property. So when I started, you know,
I had created my team with for the Asian, I took people from China, then for the Brazilian grill, I took people from Brazil. So I do that liberty.
I had, you know, to hire people from generally, they have a cap that I cannot hire people from outside, especially a junior level, you cannot, we have to survive with that local because that's the thing.
And if somebody is opening a hotel, you need to give opportunity to the local people, you can just hire. So that's the thing. But yeah, I started facing that challenge, which I used to.
speak to my owner that I'm facing this challenge, and this is going to be, I think, not working out for me. He said, no, no, no, no, you be there. You will do something good.
Then, but I was not in mindset to continue further. So I said, but I can, I will open that hotel. But after that, I'll have to go. Then he flew,
he came from his country Italy, then he tried to understand me like what is happening here. I said that this is the thing, I mean everything product is there,
process is there, but the people is not there. So generally, you know, we always believe that if three P's are working, people product and process, then it's, it works. But there are people who are not,
you know, really helping. So it's a joint discussion that after opening that hotel, I will leave this property.
And I left that property, opened that hotel in December. First and last week of December, I left that property. But with a good note, then I went back to India.
I said, "No, let me go and relax for a month. At least keep time to myself and take care of my health." And then I will see because money is not a problem.
Money is not a concern for me. I wanna just give time to yourself. But I remember after two, three days, I started thinking, I don't have job.
So again, I started thinking, no, no, I cannot sit at home. It's not my cup of tea. Then again, I think seven or eight day, I got a call from. ACA Pacific director of culinary that there is an opening,
JW Marriott luxury segment, do you want to grab that opportunity? I said, yeah, why not? Then I went there, I opened that hotel also, so generally opening a hotel is a nightmare,
you cannot sleep the entire five months because there are a lot of process to it, there are a lot of points to it. like almost 365 checklist points.
Well, it's very complex when pre -opening anything actually. You need to tick all the box before you open. You only have to make sure it is done. So, JW Marriott, I opened then in Bedwin.
Again, my old company, Maldi GM was calling me. I said, he said, "Chef, you want to join that because after you left this, this property is falling apart." would love to join them,
but in between the corporate chef who used to be there in Maldiv, he joined Melia. Before that, I had no clue he joined Melia.
Then one fine day, he just called me. I mean, I know, actually, I called him that I'm leaving Tanzania and I'm looking for a job. Then he told me,
"Okay." Maldiv, you come to Maldiv. Then after that, everything is done. And in between, I joined JW Marriott for the pre -opening because it was pre -opening and I love pre -opening.
And that was JW Luxury segment. I thought it's better to grab that opportunity. And in between that Maldiv GM really pushed me to join his property again,
where everything done like visa, all the things done and in between the corporate chef who used to be there he joined me lia as a fnb partner he called me anand the can you join this property then i was in two minds so what was your mind i was going to say two two two minds said i said this property i know i mean not me lia the multi property i know and how to fix it i also i know that also in a second.
Yeah Yeah, but here it's going to be new challenge for me new country new people new place It's going to be a challenge for me. Then I spoke to a couple of my mentor like Not mentor.
I can say that GM's previous GM's where I used to share a lot of professional things with them He told me and and it's it's better to join A known enemy than you know unknown friends.
So I said, okay, then, you know, but still I wanted to challenge myself. I said, why I can't work into why with a different set of people.
Then in the last minute, I grabbed this opportunity, I said, okay, I'm joining there. And I, I, I still, I'm not in good terms with my Maldip GM. He is really angry with me that I dashed him.
But you know, sometimes you have to do what you want to do, you know, give it time. Yes. Yes. So I grabbed this opportunity and my journey started in Dubai.
So then tell me about your aspirations for the property, because the property has already been set, established for a long time. You've got the restaurants which are already there.
Yeah. But what is it that you want to do? ensure that that operation runs at the highest possible level? Yeah. So when I joined last year here, generally,
wherever I reach property, I go. I make it a point. I did the analysis of that property in terms of guest feedback, trip advisor, and there are other segments like business,
review, and everything. And this property was not doing good. in terms of guest satisfaction. Money was there, but the satisfaction level of the guests were going down.
And even when I joined there, I was told that this is the feedback of this hotel. It's not very highly appreciated about the food and all. Where I came into the picture,
then I worked with the team, and obviously I faced challenge here also, you know, to make the people understand what is good quality and what is bad quality. So from the day one,
I fixed the suppliers first. Almost 45 suppliers, I changed within one month. I said, no, I need the right raw material to cook right food.
So in one month, I did that. Then two months, I did new menu changes with the new training and everything. And I joined in May and I linked in May.
launched in August. I had launched very successfully and people started appreciating lot, lot, lot like you know and then now the graph is really going high.
So which is a plus point for me and yeah that is the thing. So my idea was to give the residents or the guests the best food which they have never tasted because it's my capability you know if I am in this property if something is not right that means I am not right and it applies to everybody so I made it a point that whatever is going on the guest table has to be the perfect one I mean you no one gets any
chance to complain but yeah we also say that you know even if you put thousand dishes on the menu there is one day which is always missing. And even if you are serving 3000 guests,
you will get one guest who will not like anything. Of course. But you can't cook for everybody's palate. It's normal. But yeah, that's the thing. And obviously, I would like to give a lot to the society,
to the residents, because, you know, I feel that they have the potential to come and dine with us and use it. services but you know food is the thing where you know attract people from across the world.
So that's the thing and I'm doing and working on that and now it's time for new menu again. So a new menu has been drafted approved and everything now from first of April we'll start the training on the new menu and then we launch the new menu.
by August probably because you know during this time generally they go for a vacation and very less footfalls so that is the thing and We have a Argentinian restaurant rare,
which is majorly talks about different cuts of meats premium cuts You know wagyu and everything so I'm trying to fix that restaurant like a Asado because my owner is very you know that he likes Asado like anything so he wants to see that Asado in that restaurant we have a barbecue restaurant but Asado is absolutely different thing it's not very tough thing but it's a different style of cooking so I'm trying to fix
that your charcoal charcoal charcoal long time long time time. Temperature and meat is known as seasoning, just a salt. That's it. That's it. Nothing else.
On the bone. Yes. Yeah. But Anand, what I wanted to say to you is you have set yourself a massive challenge because Dubai, 13 ,000 restaurants,
it's home, it is the gastronomic capital of the region. Yes. Within the Middle East, you've got mission. here, Gomelow, 50 best. You've got chefs who are pushing the boundaries.
155 star hotels within just to buy a loan. Then you've got Rassheimer, Abu Dhabi, so on and so forth. So you've got a big challenge on your hands. You know, it's a and as you said,
how do you see yourself within this incredible gastronomic atmosphere? See, honestly, I don't focus much on gastronomic thing I believe in simplicity of the food is the key to success you know when you get your basic right you can do a lot of gastronomic lot of you know drama with the food but you have to make sure that the food is just the base is correct base is correct so I generally focus on if if you want to
have a steak make sure it is steak not with a lot of drama You know, but obviously if you if it's a mashed potato it is it has to be a good mashed potato Not like you know mashed potato with something else drama or something like that.
So that is there So I purely believe in you know what guest wants is the basic food and and the real authentic food I still remember our signature that meat lasagna is in there in the menu and I remember one of the most critical guests,
you know, he is the critic of the food. So he always used to, you know, comment about snot ride. You guys can't get anything right. Since that I am I'm here.
Since that I am I'm eating here. I mean, I've never got anything which is which which makes me happy. He sounds lovely. He sounds lovely. And then when I launched the new menu, he called me chef.
You know, this is the lasagna I'm having for the first time in my life. And I have seen there are many restaurant, Italian restaurant, so -called Italian restaurant, they are serving the same thing,
but this is just right. And I really congratulate you for the same thing. And that really motivates me and my team, you know, that whatever we have done so far,
you know, training, new menu has come out successfully and people are liking it so that's that's purely for me and I believe in that yeah.
Oh well and one of the other interesting things is that a lot of the chefs talk about sustainability but you actually have the chance yourself on property to do something that a lot of people aspire to do which is real farm to table.
Now tell me your plans on how you are going to execute that. Okay so even the vegetables and fruit which comes from the farm for us like we have a property like we have a fit fresh where from where we buy the fruits and vegetables which belongs to our sister company and they are majorly focused on sustainability.
And I make it a point that I buy a lot of, apart from these suppliers, I buy something which is locally sourced,
you know, from Abu Dhabi, from different areas where they are growing locally, like in our menu, here in tomato, which is from Abu Dhabi, which is, they are growing it there. So,
we buy it there, and... with regards to sustainability, we try to make it a point that nothing is wasted in the kitchen.
So in terms of menus and everything, it designed the way so that if one ingredient is there in the kitchen, this outlet, it can be used other way in different restaurants so that nothing is getting wasted.
So that's the point. and I use a lot of local ingredients like, you know, dates and a lot of cashews and herbs and everything, which is locally grown and I use that opportunity to incorporate that in the menu.
We have a, you know, higher selling dessert in the menu, which is Medjul date pudding, which is higher selling. And so it's a locally so medjool because you know this this the best date yes you find in in Dubai so that is how I play the you know and put those ingredients in the menu just to make it a point it is sustainable and everything and then how do you see the sort of the future of dining within the region
because you now you've been here for for just just up. You've obviously seen what's going on in the culinary landscape and the dining landscape.
What are your predictions for the future? What would you like to see? - For me, it's like, you know, this FNB industry is really growing very fast, and people are more into health conscious,
more of a vegan, gluten -free. They need their health to be... maintained while on the other side they want all the food to be presented well like Instagrammable we say like.
That remains the same like you know more than you eat you eat with your eyes like you know. So that remains the same like photo the dish to be photovable Instagrammable and on the other side they want all the food to be presented well like Instagrammable we say like you know.
written in the menu, like, you know, calorie count, protein count, everything has to be written so that what you eat, you know what you are eating, because that is where we fall short of we eat everything without knowing what we are eating and what is the combination generally,
you know, there are combination of food, like which goes well with those food and acts well. So that is why I mean, I think like people are more into sustainability,
locally sourced ingredient and obviously good food, delicious food, vegan, gluten, lot of allergens and obviously at the end,
Instagramable. And that's the future, right? Yeah, that's the future. So then Anand, we've come to the quick fire questions and I've portrayed or done some of these specifically for you.
So the toughest of all with the first quick fire question is what is your favorite ingredient? Clothes. Clothes. Yeah. Good for teeth as well for tooth pain.
Spicy or pickled? Pickled. Pickled. Sweet or sour? Good. [laughter] Panipuri or samosa? Panipuri.
[laughter] All right. or panettica? Masala dosa. All right. So as it stands in present day, what are your favorite top three cuisines of the world?
For me, Italian and Japanese and obviously it's Indian food is also growing. It's growing, it's growing outside India now because I know a lot of people like it.
where they have opened their own restaurant around the world, and it's running successfully. And if you talk about a lot of Indian celebrity chefs has got their own restaurant in Dubai. - Absolutely. - Because can everybody get their own restaurant.
- It's amazing. - So yeah. - Indian food really is a complex. Who are your top three culinary heroes and they don't necessarily need to be chefs? First start with my mom.
Of course. Always. Always. Number one. Yeah. Second is my, you know, first chef of JW Marriott, Matthias. I mean,
because he loved my work, and he appreciated my work, and you know, within no time he promoted me because he showed my work.
and everything, he sees that, you know, I'm well capable of doing further things, so he promoted me for two years, he promoted me within one year.
So that was the thing. And one chef is there, I don't know whether she's anymore or not, because whatever Thai cuisine I've learned from her,
I used to call her mama. And she used to tell me, "I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to
be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef, I'm going to be a chef me like a son. So I learned all the basic gravies and everything from her and I still remember whenever
she used to work I used to hold her hand because she was pretty much old to handle that thing. So those are because you know I learned from her is that how it's very important for you know as chefs to behave like a mother you know because at home you behave with your son,
you know, how you behave with your son or daughter or with your family is a similar way you should behave in the hotel industry, you know. If you are cooking for a person, you need to make sure that he loves or she loves your food the way you are making it.
And trust me, if you cook with a good heart and care and affection, the food comes out to be a delicious one. - 100%, 100%. Now, from all of your years of experience in the kitchens and in restaurants around the world,
can you tell me your funniest ever kitchen incident that you've either seen or been involved in? - It keeps happening, you know,
everybody knows that hotel, I mean, culinary is all about fun, you know? That's the best thing, it's all about fun. So I remember, again, we were doing whiskey tasting dinner.
And there we done all the menus, that first, second, third, fourth courses goes with like, like this, with a different wire whiskey pairing and all.
So while serving, I think for second, third course, which was a meat course, and we did the plating, like, you know, then it's a hit on top of that,
we had to put brown butter on the steak and then sides and everything So somebody from the Indian kitchen. He started putting and I think it was not a big crowd It's a 45 people whiskey tasting.
So his job was to put the brown butter on top and What he did is it a brown butter he started putting cream which we put it in butter chicken.
He started putting and after finishing all the plates we realized that he did major thing. So what happens then but you know that was the funny incident and he was very you know religiously doing like this you know he's making sure that this is going out of the kitchen perfect.
But he's not thinking that what he's doing instead of brown butter is putting cream on the steak. And that was the funniest incident which I have ever come across.
That was, I can say, it's my mistake because I did not follow up with them. But for that course, you know, I really had to take, you know, 20, 30 minutes break. And I apologize to the people that something happened and you have to give me 20 minutes time.
So you had to do it again? I had to do it again and that was a nightmare, you know? Do it again because your steak doneness has gone. You have to recook. You know, it was like I can see that and it was a shortcut.
But do you know what, well done. Well done for actually doing the dish and saying to the guest, apologies it's going to be 20 -30 minutes. Yeah. But yeah, whoa. Yeah, not easy. What advice would you give to any young chefs in the industry?
You know, they should focus on their talent first. They should work on enhancing their talents, their skills, rather than focusing or jumping from one property or another just for the fame or for the money.
You know, so I always believe like you follow the dream the money will follow you or the dream will follow you So this is this is the principle. I follow all the time because you know,
honestly says Ten years. I don't look for a job. The job comes to me So this is the this is the thing and for the for the coming generation I would say that they should they should if if they feel that they want to do or they want to be in the kitchen or culinary or hospitality,
first they make up their mind and decide on that and just follow the dream. Don't go here and there. I mean, that's the thing. And if you think this is the right way, just close your eyes and do it.
That's it. Don't listen to anybody because I know you will get a lot of, you know, stops, soy tract. - Yeah, so, but you have to be focused what you want to achieve.
And that's the key to success and that's it. - What advice would you give into 16 year old Anand Kumar? - He should have studied more and would have changed the line,
would have been a pilot. And I think so, I think so. And yeah, I sometimes regret also because my brother is Dr. Anand Kumar. is doctor,
sister's husband is doctor. But you know, I always believe that whatever is in your destiny, you can't change it. So I believe that this was my destiny as a chef and I follow that.
And now my dream is to travel the world. And I generally enjoy taking up the property which is going down. or gone down already because there you really get the fun of,
you know, putting your efforts and heart and soul to making that property up. That's the thing principle for me. So Anand, if people wanted to get hold of you through social media,
how can they do that? You can search Instagram and The name is yours on and Okay, okay. That's it.
And I'm a believer. Okay, so I'll put all of that also in the show notes for everybody So and I just wanted to go through a small recap of what we've discussed from your childhood memories growing up Wanting to be a pilot then your teenage years then going through education Education university to then getting your first ever break,
which was amazing Then learning through the years of the culinary education system to then going and becoming an incredible executive chef in all of these amazing properties.
Then traveling to different countries, different challenges, different jobs to now in Dubai, setting your standards, setting your ways here and really getting the property on top to where it should be.
On behalf of the Chef JKP podcast, I just wanted to say a personal thank you very much for coming onto the show. Keep doing what you're doing because I know it's going to be incredible and really I cannot wait to see what you're going to do next.
Thank you for having me here. Thank you Chef. Thank you. What a nice guy. What I really admire in Anand is his tenacity to take a challenge head on.
Here's what he's going to do. you can purely rely on to ensure that the job gets done. If you have yet to work in a resort, let me tell you, I can only describe it as an air traffic controller.
You have to look after so many things at the same time. You have to deal with the guests. You have to deal with several departments, then the general manager,
the teams, the restaurants, the functions, the tastings, suppliers. It's on and on and on. However, the incredible thing is,
Anand seems to take it all in his stride. I'm sure under his guidance, the culinary offering will simply skyrocket. Make sure to follow Anand on Instagram,
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