326th Floor: Navigating Friendships and New Beginnings

Can friendships withstand time, change, and even seasonal shifts? Tune in as Gen and Kory navigate the enchanting Fuzzy Furry Forest to uncover profound insights about the importance of nurturing positive relationships. Discover how BJ and Ruffles' bond, inspired by Gen's childhood friendship, exemplifies the joy and loyalty of caring for one another during vulnerable times.

Have you ever experienced a friendship that only lasted a season but left an indelible mark on your heart? We dive into the emotional complexities of such seasonal friendships through the story of Ruffles and BJ, reflecting on the growth and lessons they bring. We'll explore how friends can offer emotional support, co-sign on risky ideas, and teach us the importance of setting boundaries and loyalty, as shown by BJ's efforts to keep Ruffles from leaving town. It's a testament to how friends help us navigate our highs and lows, offering resilience and support.

Are you curious about how newcomers find their place in a tight-knit community? Take a sneak peek into Ringo's challenging transition into the Fuzzy Flurry Forest. We draw parallels with real-life experiences of integrating into new environments and discuss the lessons children can learn about inclusion and belonging. Additionally, we provide parental guidance on engaging with children through the book, suggesting questions to spark meaningful conversations—a journey with us to uncover how these interactions foster more profound understanding and connection within our communities.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:14

hey, it's jen the builder and cory, and we are continuing our journey through the fuzzy furry forest on take the elevator podcast.

Speaker 2: 0:26

Woohoo and I have to say that he said, woohoo, I, I love this and I love the book and I love that you know we have put this out. So, yeah, I'm excited and I would go higher with the woo, but my voice hasn't completely healed yet.

Speaker 1: 0:45

Yeah, you've been fighting that allergy thing for a while now and we have another person who's kind of going through that, so I hope you all feel better. I know that here in Southern California, and you know, gloria, we have people who listen all over the world. People who listen all over the world, um, and, by the way, we've been getting a lot more traffic on my website from the philippines, so shout out to my people for visiting um anyhow, what was I saying?

Speaker 1: 1:18

oh yeah, southern california, my goodness. Triple digit temperature. Well, you know the degrees there were like 103.

Speaker 2: 1:26

It was 106 yesterday and it was like wow.

Speaker 1: 1:31

Yeah, like, who does that, who does that?

Speaker 2: 1:34

Turn the oven down please.

Speaker 1: 1:37

Yeah, so we've explained how the series for Fuzzy Furry Forest is going to go. Today we're going to focus on friendships, yeah and um. So there are two new characters we're introducing to you and if you haven't got the book, it is such a fun book. It's on amazon, you might want to look up on ruffles. But note the author's name, cory, with a k, so k-o-r-y l is the middle initial body, b-o-d-y last name. And um, you really want to grab it. It's, it's great reference. So, anyways, we're going to talk about ringo and bj the woodpecker also known as bartholomew.

Speaker 1: 2:24

John jamerheim, john jamerheim, yes and um. That reminds me of a kid's song type thing that I used to do camp, but I won't do right now because it'll I have to thank you, I'll be, I'll be all over the place, all right. So let's talk about the importance of friendships. Um, period, and the first friendship we're going to talk about is bj the woodpecker, or bartholomew, john jamerheim and ruffles and so cory, bring us into the world of their friendship.

Speaker 2: 3:03

So I'm going to give a little bit of background. While I was writing this book, I was in an isolation period. What does that mean? I did have people that I was connected to, but I wasn't actively dealing with them. I needed to be in a certain space in mind to be able to write and create. I was also writing and creating music. I was writing a play. I was just really inundated with a lot of different things. So the part of this that a lot of people don't know is that this friendship was based off of you, jen, and one of your best friends that you grew up with, and so, yeah, Everyone, this is new news for me, yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:01

I tend to do that. I tend to do that and that's my way of having a secret that I don what it sounded like to me and I wanted to recreate that between Ruffles and BJ the woodpecker.

Speaker 1: 4:37

Okay, I'm quite intrigued. Do you think you captured it?

Speaker 2: 4:42

I think I did. I think I really did, because when you see people that have really good friendships and they can talk about anything from the silliest of the silliest to the most complex things and I'll give you one really, really silly scenario that I heard you and her talking about.

Speaker 1: 5:06

And so I'm scared. Yeah, you should be.

Speaker 2: 5:09

So I Let me just go. I'll go to the end of the story and maybe at another time we'll have an opportunity to share. But long story short is Jen and her decided that I was doing something that I had no business doing, instead of them just confronting me straight up and saying hey, cory, is this what's happening?

Speaker 2: 5:31

it was a two-day debacle of them having these try to figure it out outlandish conversation investigative and so, um, that's the kind of friendship that I wanted to showcase, where Ruffles and BJ could talk about anything, they could have any kind of dialogue and still be able to rely on what was most important to them, and that was each other being friends. That makes sense. Hmm, that makes sense. And so when you got out lot of people that feel like you know, I don't like people or I could just deal with animals, but that's not the norm. You're a different individual when you don't want to be around people. I'm not saying good, bad or indifferent, just saying you're different.

Speaker 2: 6:39

The average person needs people. They need spouses, they need friends, they need their children, their families, and some of us need coworkers, you know. So it's important to build the best positive, good relationships as possible, and outside of family, these are people that you're choosing to be friends with. So you get to make that decision on whether or not you want to be friends with that person. So if you're making the decision, make the best one possible and do the best work with it that you have so bj and ruffles, yeah.

Speaker 1: 7:23

What complimentary traits do they bring to their friendship?

Speaker 2: 7:28

Well, BJ is the kind of friend that you know he was in, and this is the background behind it. He was hurt, wounded, and Ruffles came to his aid, brought him back to health, and so that meant a lot, because BJ is a bird. Him being hurt in the fuzzy furry forest left him victim to be eaten, attacked, and there was just a lot of things that could have went wrong for him. So his loyalty is to ruffles now not, but not just because of that, but because, um, they built on something that was worth more than just you know. Let's hang out and have a good time.

Speaker 1: 8:17

I get really excited about behind the scenes stuff, cause this is not in the book, no, and this is the stuff that I could totally geek out on. So, oh man, so ruffles is in. I'm sorry bj was injured, ruffles helped him and we know through the book that ruffles is one of those healthy kind of people, so he brings that into play in this relationship, yeah, and pretty much helps in the healing process. Yeah, and now I understand, because when I was reading the book I'm like, wow, bj is like down for ruffles right, like because in comes ringo and I just picked up like bj's on the defense, like he's like you know, oh, how dare you and how could you? And know my best friend ruffles is the fastest and that's not what he says in the book.

Speaker 2: 9:14

But you can feel that right, there's a lot of tension um from bj because of the loyalty that he has for, yeah, the loyalty.

Speaker 2: 9:22

Yeah, okay. And then you have Ruffles where he notices and experiences this massive loyalty, where he's never experienced that before. He comes from a broken situation, broken family, not because the family was broken apart, but because there was just all these threads that were pulled and left things undone within his family. And again, that's very relatable to myself. So I understood how to create that scenario and BJ has been unfalteringtering, unmoved in his loyalty. So it it created a sense of um sound judgment, sound voice in his heart and in his ear, so that they could, you know, build on that friendship yeah, such substance in the characters and how this relates to me in real life is we have characters in our lives.

Speaker 1: 10:30

Yeah, right, some of them we take the time to get to know more. Some we call friends, some are acquaintances, but everyone's got stories behind them absolutely and it's when you take those moments to learn that or to understand.

Speaker 1: 10:47

I don't know everything about this person and I'm passing these judgments super quick, or I'm making these conclusions and I don't know what the background is here, and I think that's really important in an inclusive space, right Right. In an inclusive space, right right, like where someone is who they are, or we experience emotions and we want to label them as good, bad and it. It just is right and it's trying to tell you something. So, anyhow, let me not go down the rabbit hole literally right, can I?

Speaker 2: 11:23

take a quick sidebar please do I think it's important to point out to the people listening that this is a part of my process in character building. When I'm writing a story, a lot of times people think that you just write a story, a random story, and just you know, put it out there. But I have to build and give the characters depth and give them personality based on their history, and so that's what makes it easier for me to write and develop a better storyline, because now there's meaning and backbone to each character that you're putting together.

Speaker 1: 12:04

I learned that each character that you're putting together I learned that, and when we wrote one of the books together, I really learned how much time it takes in character development. So I have a question, corey in your process I hear you talk about how important their history is. Do you ever write a book with their future in mind, or are the characters growing real time as you're writing?

Speaker 2: 12:26

oh no, there there's a deep rooted, uh, backstory that I'm always developing, from the beginning of the thought process to the um, imagination of the look of the character, because, um, you know, this character looks a certain way for because of the background that he comes from and the story buildup. I learned this, and I think it's important, by watching a lot of Star Wars and realizing how much effort is put into the backstory of any character. And when you, when you see that and hear that, you're like, oh, my goodness, there's so much stuff here and and that's the way any great story should be that there there's good background things happening yeah, so unless the background comes out in a book, how do readers background comes out in a book?

Speaker 1: 13:31

how do readers learn about?

Speaker 2: 13:32

the background to characters they might. A writer is always trying to figure out ways to let drop breadcrumbs.

Speaker 1: 13:36

Yeah, little easter eggs, breadcrumbs and did you just say easter eggs like the bunny rabbit? Yes, oh, I love it. So, going back to the friendship, sure, because me and one of my best friends were the inspiration here, I always think when I'm thinking of this friend, the themes of cooperation and trust yeah Right, really come into. Definitely, that's something. Those are words I would describe this friendship definitely has. Um, what lessons about trust and loyalty do ruffles and bj's relationships teach the readers?

Speaker 2: 14:26

well, um, for me, I think what it's the hard core backbone of it is is that you have to sometimes blindly trust a friend and not know whether or not they're going to hurt you or not. And if they do, is the friendship strong enough to survive that hurt? If it is, then it's true friendship. If it does not, it means that there was a weakened link in that chain that maybe someone overlooked. It gives opportunity to strengthen it, but you got to be willing to fight for it, you got to be willing to fight back from it, and so that's what I'm ultimately trying to show is that there is possibility I said this in the last episode to have a thriving, needle-moving, growing relationship with people. That's good. Every friendship doesn't have to end bad, and you see that mantra all throughout life and all throughout. But I know lots and lots of people that have been friends since they were elementary, in their elementary, and they're, you know, 50s, 60s, 70s, and so you know it exists and those are some of the most strongest bonds you've ever seen.

Speaker 1: 15:57

Yeah, well, what about friendships that are for a season? Because you know that's a true statement.

Speaker 2: 16:07

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 16:07

There are things that are happening, that are for season, yeah, Right, um, unfortunately we don't prepare for those things, you know.

Speaker 2: 16:17

So when they have, when the season is over, some of us just can't handle it, you know. And so we have to figure out, you know, how do we move forward. I mean, I'm really missing this person. I'm really feeling the loss of of a friend. But the most positive thing you can take away from it is, like you said, it was for a season, and let me look at the best parts of that, of how I grew from this, how I changed, how I was motivated to do, uh, one particular thing or another.

Speaker 1: 16:48

Okay, so in the book the season of this friendship, BJ I think he's the one who says I have an idea. I know how you're going to win this race. Was that him? Yeah, and I just love the mischief in BJ. Like he's like this is how we're going to do it, and so Ruffles goes along with it. So how do you think ruffles and bj provides emotional support to each other throughout the story, so and I kind of misspoke on that.

Speaker 2: 17:19

There's this agreement. It wasn't so much bj that had the idea ruffles has the idea. But there's, oh Ruffles has the idea, but there's an agreement.

Speaker 1: 17:29

Ruffles had the idea and BJ co-signs it.

Speaker 2: 17:32

Yes, he he almost you can hear it in his voice Like this is the greatest idea we've ever come up with you know. So, um, there's that mischievousness of a friendship that is a little bit dangerous. You know what I mean, so I do see where you're pulling from in that.

Speaker 1: 17:59

Yeah, that's my interpretation. I thought that was really cool and see, that's the thing, and I'm going to go off a little bit, because you mentioned my conversation with my best friend, the one that turned out to be super funny and just outrageously wrong. Yeah, and so friendship, sometimes the emotional support is not in the right thing, and that's the. That's the part I've learned Don't get caught up in. Oh man, I supported you know, I co-signed that and it wasn't the best idea. The fact here is that, through the friendship you co-signed it.

Speaker 2: 18:44

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 18:44

Right. Um, I was in a dark space and my best friend didn't shame me for it she just kind of chimed along and said well, this is what we're doing, right now.

Speaker 2: 18:59

She went along for the ride, she hopped in the passenger seat knowing that, and she even said I think you might be wrong about she did and she said here's the keys.

Speaker 2: 19:09

You drive any way you want to. And a lot of times, you know, I feel honestly like that's the very situation that we're in in life. You know, our friends are cosigning some psychopath idea that we may be having at that moment. I'm not saying that people are psychopaths, I'm just simply saying that it's not the best idea at that moment and our friends are co-signing the movement. But sometimes it's necessary If you want to be honest. Sometimes you need a passenger in life, and one of my friends has done that, where he was co-signing my outlandish idea until he said, all right, you're going a little bit too far. I was willing to go on the ride, but now I see where you're going. No, no, no, no, no, let's get back on track, let's, let's go this route.

Speaker 1: 20:00

Put those boundaries.

Speaker 2: 20:02

Right, and we need boundaries. Yeah, so um, boundaries, yeah so um. And that's that's what bj and ruffles are experiencing, um, in real time. In the book, as you're reading, you're seeing them come up with these ideas of like, yeah, we could do this and we can make this happen. And then you know, you get to that, that point where you're saying, no, this is not going to end well, is this worth it?

Speaker 1: 20:23

yeah, it's not worth it. Yeah, it's not worth it. So the emotional support? Why is this aspect of their friendship important for young readers to understand?

Speaker 2: 20:36

Because a lot of our life is based on our emotions. A lot of our life is based on emotionalism.

Speaker 1: 20:41

Say that again.

Speaker 2: 20:43

So if you don't have emotional support, you'll find yourself having an emotional meltdown and that friend is there to make sure that all the pieces are picked up and all the melting has been put back in its proper space and now it's solidified again. Okay, now I can move forward and some people will even apologize. You know I'm sorry for that meltdown that I had, you know, but I'm better now and a good friend goes oh my God, please, you think I'm worried about that and you're just able to move on.

Speaker 1: 21:20

Yeah, so Ruffles right learns an important lesson about himself. What do you think is the important lesson they learned from each other in this story?

Speaker 2: 21:31

well, for me it's like the, the real-time good friend that says, okay, you went a little bit too far, so then you learn that my friend will stop me if I get too far out of line, um, on one hand, and then, on the other hand, you you feel like, um hey, I played a very key role in this and and so it was my love and friendship for this person that allowed me to say that's too far, but it was the love and friendship that gave me the courage to say this is too far yeah, so does bj still have loyalty to ruffles, even though he lost absolutely uh in the first uh mock of uh pictures.

Speaker 2: 22:17

It was important for me to see bj attempting to stop ruffles from leaving town and you see him pulling on ruffles yeah uh, as he carries his suitcase out of town. But yeah, and so it was important also that in the next book that you still understand that there was a friendship and the friendship still exists.

Speaker 1: 22:39

Okay, so are we going to see some of the involvement in their friendship through the rest of the stories.

Speaker 2: 22:49

Sneak peek, Sneak peek, yes and no. So the next story. You'll get a really good bird's eye view into bird's eye.

Speaker 1: 22:59

Oh, we're just this is. You're so cute, bird's eye. You don't see what he just did to me. He waved at me to tap on my leg and he went bird's eye.

Speaker 2: 23:10

So you get a bird's eye view at how the relationships in the entire Fuzzy Flurry forest has grown and evolved. You also get a chance to see that some of the personalities are exactly the same, where some of them have evolved and grown and they've matured. So, um, yeah, it's just gonna be an exciting ride, and I hate not being able to just say I know what it is, but I don't want to spoil it for anyone and I don't want anyone to feel like, oh man, wow, why would you do that?

Speaker 2: 23:45

why? Why would you tell us all this? Yeah?

Speaker 1: 23:49

So in comes Ringo, and it's funny that you referenced me and one of my best friends, because there was a trio at one point, and actually the person that you were talking about was the Ringo Right, actually, the person that you were talking about was the Ringo? Right, because it was two girls. And in comes this third person. Yes, right. So in comes Ringo and he's making a transition into a new setting. How tough is that on a person?

Speaker 2: 24:33

It's classic, like every layer and level of life that I've ever entered into and it was a brand, whether it be, uh, going into my elementary school, middle school, high school, first job, um, first band, uh, whatever it may be, there's always the first day of you entering into a situation where people know each other and you know no one and what that feels like and how awkward it could be if you're not naturally uh, extrovert and you can just blend in and make a, you know, a splash and everyone's like, oh, yeah, I like you, come on over, it's, it's really difficult. And so that was ringo's entrance into the fuzzy furry forest. It was just really tough. So he started looking for ways to insert himself and, as we know, it's not always the most comfortable, easy way and a lot of times it's awkward. So you do things and like, oh, maybe I shouldn't have done it that way, um, and. And then they move forward from that point. But yeah, it's, it's always interesting the entrance of any person into a new situation yeah, and I love how you said.

Speaker 1: 25:43

It's awkward and I think, knowing these parts to the story, I think ringo was just trying to connect right absolutely with the community and the fact that he's in this forest and I. I don't know if this is the time to talk about his background maybe not because we want to save that for another time but what lessons can be learned from ruffles, the book on how the community welcomes ringo well again, I think is atypical of, uh, people that have spent time together and someone new comes in.

Speaker 2: 26:23

There's all these different nuances. You have the few people that look and say, oh, this, this might be exciting, let's accept them in and see how this goes. And you have the group that is like no, I don't want to mess up what our perfect structure is? The nucleus is together, let's not include anyone else. And then you have the individuals say, well, I'm on the outs right now and everyone looks down on me, so it would be a good opportunity to put the spotlight on this person and showcase how you know not worthy they are for the group. So there's all these different mindsets that come the group has when someone new comes in, and so it's just important to remember, as a person trying to have an inclusive environment, not to take a side that's going to be looked upon badly or frowned upon later on Once you realize, okay, this person came in, or this individual came in and I frowned on it, and so I was the cause for the rough entry.

Speaker 1: 27:34

Right, right. Well, let's consider the perspective of a reader, a child Sure, who is going through a transition to new setting. How can Ringo's character be used to support children who are experiencing that?

Speaker 2: 27:55

Just jump in the conversation and I think Ringo attempted to, and maybe, looking back, he might've did something different, but you just gotta see where it lands when you jump in that conversation yeah and right, finding your placement in the new setting.

Speaker 1: 28:15

There's going to be a lot of discovery and new experiences and, um, I think the lesson here is that it's interesting because the community did include him, because automatically they're like cool race. You know, they didn't say, oh, we don't want you, right? It was also awkward for them in conversation. Here's a new person and this is how he's showing up. How do we include this and be true to what's happening, right? So I think they did the best they could.

Speaker 2: 28:50

Yeah, they did the absolute best they could. How do we include this? And be true to what's happening right? So I think they did the best they could. Yeah, they did the absolute best they could. But I think the edge that Ringo used was I will challenge and they'll have to include me. They may not accept me, but they'll include me just to get the challenge out of the way.

Speaker 1: 29:06

Yeah, I can't wait till we talk about ringo and where he's from and what motivated his move to new community you know, those are all again more pieces.

Speaker 1: 29:15

So there's layers to ringo that we don't know about yet, um, but I love to just the friendships. Or you see how the relationships are within the community, because you introduce well, you introduce all of them. But we see the mayor, um, who's the squirrel, I think there's a deer, that's talked about kangaroo, and so there's a mom kangaroo and in the kid. So you're starting to the kid, so you're starting to. It's just a beautiful first layer of what you start to see in the forest.

Speaker 1: 29:56

And what I love is in my mind, I make up my own illustrations, yeah, of what this forest looks like and how these characters sound. So, um cory. I wanted to talk about two more aspects of friendships, and I think empathy and support is another one. And just why is it important for children to learn about empathy and support, and how do parents use this book to bring up activities or conversation with their kids about it?

Speaker 2: 30:26

So the empathy and support piece is as children. That's where we learn how to deal with other people and some people that we don't like, some people that we don't get along with, some people that we don't understand. I'm going to go somewhere that's near and dear to my heart, okay, I'm going to go somewhere that's near and dear to my heart. Okay. You know, in my elementary experience we went to school with kids with learning disabilities. They were challenged in different ways and I watched kids make fun of them and do motions that I thought, you know, that's just not appropriate. You know, even as a as a child, and the reason why. And so people don't think, oh he, well, what kind of, what kind of kid was he that he would recognize this?

Speaker 2: 31:22

A little bit of background my, my grandparents and my great aunt, who I was very close to, had children that they raised, brought into their homes, and those children were challenged and had learning disabilities and some of them were labeled, you know, medically back then, something that we don't talk about anymore, but I was raised around them and I understood things about them that a lot of people did not.

Speaker 2: 31:50

So going to school and seeing people react to individuals that may have had some challenges in life really upset me. It put me in a very defensive way to feel like they can't protect themselves like you can protect yourself, and they're not going to fight back or lash out at you. And I'll tell you, something that really changed and moved kids in a better direction is when they seen me, who they considered normal, not knowing what's going on in the inside of me, but they saw me being empathetic, compassionate and caring about that group of kids, and it changed over the course of the year. You saw kids helping and aiding and assisting the teachers that were in charge of the classrooms of those individuals, and so that's the importance of it and that's what we need examples of how to be empathetic and sympathetic to people that aren't like you or that you visual or you see visually are different from you.

Speaker 1: 33:15

And thinking back while you were talking, I was remembering when I was a kid how empathy and support receiving it was huge. And I'm not going to draw the story out Growing up in a single-parent home in the community I was in, at church and at school, was not common, and I just remembered and I brought this up on the podcast at least a couple of times where the parents of my friends were so inviting and welcoming and didn't make me feel less than they very much included me as a part of and I was the only kid in school working because I went to private school and my friends did not talk bad about me. In fact, they're like do you, do you need to ride to work? What time do you get off? Okay, we won't go until you're off work.

Speaker 1: 34:08

You know what I mean and like working in the cafeteria and stuff like that. That I learned empathy and support from them big time. And and I'm I'm going to put this out there because people who are labeled as Christians catch a bad rap Right, and I'm so thankful that there were glimmers of my experiences with people who call themselves christian families um, that really lived up to what I thought it should be as a kid you know it never made me feel like, oh, that's who they are and that's how they showed up.

Speaker 1: 34:47

Never, not once, in fact. It attracted me to that lifestyle because of how they loved, and so I think we hear one too many times about the bad rap People give a label or a name, an identity, and so I really want to call this out that I had so many families and friends in my life that carried that label and that belief and they lived up to it touche.

Speaker 2: 35:16

I agree 100 and and, and, although yours was, was chris, was you know the christian, uh, faith. Um, a lot of people get bad raps, yeah, and they're forced to deal with that and again, that's just not fair to say, because you come from this. All are bad, all have you know.

Speaker 1: 35:41

Yeah, and so let's remember that. About community too, yeah Right, that's a really big proponent is that we don't put people in these categories and really, yeah, and there's so much there that you can start to talk to your kids about. That makes them enjoy adult living so much more, because they have an advantage in knowing these things about themselves and other people.

Speaker 2: 36:22

Right, I'll give a little bit of. I'll drop another Easter egg. We do focus on a disability in book number three, and so we're able to capture how empathy and resilience is showing up in the book number three. So we love touching on this stuff, we love talking about it, and now we're writing about it, and so it's just so much joy and so I'm passionate about this. So I'm trying to figure out the right words and not to just stumble over myself by saying and they're like what, what is he talking about?

Speaker 2: 37:10

I'm just really excited about.

Speaker 1: 37:12

And that's the one I got to co-write.

Speaker 2: 37:14

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 37:16

Is that book. So please, you know, stay plugged in to Take the Elevator, because we're going to talk about these things. You're going to start to see more events coming up around it and we want to invite you at the beginning of this journey. Um, the second book's coming out in august, so we wanted to give ruffles some time to to breathe and live and just for y'all get to know the first book. Yeah, um, so if you have any questions for us, you know, know you can reach out. We'd love to answer them. And again, the book is on Amazon.

Speaker 2: 37:52

Yes, it is Ruffles and that's. You have to identify my name, corey L Body Corey, with a K? O-r-y, last name is Body B-O-D-Y and email address is ruffles290 at gmailcom. And you can also go on the website at wwwfuzzyfurryforestcom.

Speaker 1: 38:17

Yeah, and you know, I just thought of something, corey we can actually provide maybe some tools for parents who some questions that they can ask their kids as they're reading the book to them. Because you know, just even our focus on Ringo's transition in this podcast is very comprehensive and we highlight His transition into the community, that's right, right.

Speaker 1: 38:42

We highlight the emotional, the social, the educational aspects of his journey. Right, and those are really good points to bring up in conversation with your kids and with other adults even, yeah, yep. So thank you all for being here. We appreciate you, we sure do, and you know us. To take the elevator, we say look up and let's elevate.