Navigating Adulthood: Insights from the Author 'Shit, Adults Never Taught Us' - Natasha Sattler : 101

What if you had a roadmap for adulthood that no one ever handed you? That's what Natasha Sattler, author of Shit, Adults Never Taught Us, has created. Inviting us on her journey, she unveils the inspiration behind her book, sparked during the quiet contemplation the pandemic brought. An easy-to-navigate guide, her book explores four pillars of adulthood - money and career, relationships, mental health, and life - through bite-sized wisdom nuggets.

Natasha is a Maryland native. She moved to LA straight after college and worked as a Producer in the film industry for almost a decade before she wrote her first book, "Shit Adults Never Taught Us," in six weeks.

Natasha doesn't just stop at her book. She generously spills over invaluable insights on community building in the digital world. She emphasizes soulful connections over mere numbers and encourages seeking out your tribe. 

Natasha is a world traveller and podcaster. For her, travelling has been a pivotal factor in her self-discovery journey and plays a critical role in her forthcoming book. Also, her podcast, she says, allows a deeper exploration of topics that resonate with modern society. 

Natasha lives in LA with her pet, Kingston. 

Let's enjoy her story. 

To contact Natasha: https://linktr.ee/shitadultsnevertaughtus

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Sharing Stories and Life Lessons

Daniela 0:00

Hi , I'm Daniela . Welcome to my podcast , because everyone has a story , the place to give ordinary people , stories , the chance to be shared and preserved . Our stories become the language of connections . Let's enjoy it , connect and relate , because everyone has a story . Welcome my guest , Natasha Sattler .

Daniela 0:35

I had the pleasure of meeting Natasha , a native of Marlon who moved to LA after college and worked as a film producer for nearly a decade before writing her first book Shit Adults Never Taught Us . And in just six weeks I was so excited to connect with her , having heard of her clever book a few years ago . And there she was on my network Awesome . As a parent , I always wonder if I'm passing on all the knowledge I can to my children . Natasha's book is a great resource for modern people , offering vital information that parents may have missed for various reasons . We talked about different things and it's quite impressive how she emphasized the importance of soulful connections and encouraged others to seek out their tribe . She recognizes that the information in her book is dynamic and will need updating in future editions to keep up with the changing times .

Daniela 1:36

Natasha is also an avid world travel and a fellow pollcaster . Her upcoming book places significant emphasis on the role of travel , and her podcast that has the same name as the book Shit Adults Never Taught Us dwells deeper into topics that resonate with modern society . It is clear that Natasha has a passion for sharing her experiences and knowledge with others . Let's enjoy it . Welcome Natasha to the show . Thank you so much . I am very excited that you're here . I learned about your book a few years ago Shit Adults Never Taught Us yes .

Natasha Sattler 2:16

It's a long one Shit . Adults Never Taught Us . They taught us a lap and they didn't teach us everything .

Daniela 2:22

Exactly and I was really curious about it . And then , coincidentally , I found you . Well , here you are at the podcast and , bihas , I'm excited that you are going to tell us your story . Thank you , yeah , I'm excited to tell the story . And so when did your story start ?

Natasha Sattler 2:38

I could tell you the date . It began in my mind , but unconsciously , probably since birth , probably somewhere deep , deep in the back , but consciously it began in the pandemic . So I am not a writer , naturally . It accidentally happened to me . I make commercials . I make TV commercials by trade and I am a producer , so I'm naturally very organized and just want to share stories and get information out there .

Natasha Sattler 3:04

The pandemic happened in March 2020 and I was working at a company where I was making movie trailers and nobody was going to the movies so they didn't need trailers . So I found myself with way too much free time and a lot of anxiety , and so I was finding outlets for that anxiety through writing , and I was just writing down conversations I was having with friends and things . I was noticing that people were just not grasping . Like there was . The book itself is broken into four sections . It's broken into money and career , then relationships , then mental health and then life , and the reason it's broken into those sections is those are the themes I saw when I was having conversations . It was we are all furloughed , nobody has a job right now and somehow nobody has savings . Nobody knows what the stock market is , nobody knows if they can take money out or into their 401k . There was also a lot of questions around . People got very quick into relationships or their relationships were struggling . The sudden time together and the uncertainty of the world really thrust relationships into an unnatural state . For a lot of people , the mental health thing was a big thing . A lot of people were dealing with things they hadn't before anxiety , depression , catastrophic thinking . I think as a nation , america in particular , kind of went towards catastrophic thinking and then life was just the stuff that we didn't talk about , asking questions because we were so afraid to talk to each other . We went to Google instead of another person . We held on to things instead of ideas and experiences . There's just a lot there that I thought if I'm struggling this with this , my friends are struggling with this and seeing people , acquaintances , workers struggling , there's got to be something to it .

Natasha Sattler 4:54

And so I started researching and writing things down and the book is 98 very quick chapters . Each chapter is two or three pages , because I feel like when I say 98 chapters , it freaks people out . It's not . It's not , it's very quick and it's not a book that you read linearly . It's when that , if you're struggling with something , you take it off the shelf , you read one or two chapters and you put it back and you take those lessons , because I don't want somebody to have to go out and buy 98 individual self help books .

Natasha Sattler 5:24

I'm like you were talking about earlier . I'm a doer , I need to do . Do . Do Like I can't just read it , put it down and be like , okay , I'm a changed person now . I read it so like , all is good , I don't need to do anything . So at the end of about half of the chapters there's a checklist of okay , you read these two or three pages , now you're going to go do these five things , and so I wanted people to be able to put actionable steps into making their life better , especially younger people maybe think where do I start ? What do I do ? Like I read this these few pages , but like what do I ?

Daniela 5:56

do now , how did you learn this ? So it seems like if you were wondering that people didn't know about this , maybe because you knew about it , maybe your parents did a good job . They did tell you shit I did .

Natasha Sattler 6:08

They told me a lot and I had great teachers , and I think the thing that a lot of people are thinking when they read the title of the book is that I am accusing or villainizing adults of not teaching us things , and that is so not true , and so not what the book is about . You could get that from like . The first chapter is everybody teaches from their own knowledge base , so my parents taught me what they know and what they experienced basically , just taught me what they know and what they experienced . But I grew up in a generation I graduated college into a recession . I went to school and unprecedented times .

Natasha Sattler 6:43

I live in a very technologically driven world , with apps and phones in a way that my parents didn't , and so when it comes to finances or sticking with a job , I'm not sticking with a job for 25 years , and neither are my peers . Pensions matching 401ks are not as prevalent Savings account and investing in the stock market is very different . You don't have to go somewhere . It's on your phone . So a lot of these things that seem really scary are because they were taught to us in a way that's no longer relevant .

Natasha Sattler 7:12

I just broke it down like you want to invest in the stock market . You don't need to put on a suit and go talk to a guy in a suit . That's not how it works anymore . You take $20 and you deposit it into an account like Robinhood , which is an app on your phone , and you play with it . It's like socialized gambling . It's a different world where you can watch it in real time in a way that you couldn't before . It's less scary when you break it down for people that maybe don't trust . What we know didn't work for the generation before . In the same way it would work for us and vice versa .

Daniela 7:45

All right . How do you divide these four ? How do you decide that these were the most four important things ?

Natasha Sattler 7:51

Yeah , it seems like it was the three , four most important things to people . Then the life section was the section of things that I just thought were so vital and important that didn't fall into one of the other categories . But career and money is the first section because I feel like this is actually the section we maybe were taught . It's the stuff that probably was in school , but it's so boring . Everybody tunes out when you start talking about money . You start talking to a 12-year-old about how to save . It's boring . They have $5 and they don't want to save it , they want to spend it .

Natasha Sattler 8:26

I broke it down in funny , quick , witty chapters because it's probably dig it taught and we just skipped it . Relationships it's a very similar thing . You're not going to listen to the lessons that your parents taught you when you're nine because you're not in a relationship Like once you're in them , the lessons are happening in real time . I break them down and the relationship section actually goes through the life of a relationship . It starts with meeting and falling in love and ends with breakups and divorce . Also in that section is redefining relationships with your parents and siblings as you get older , making friends as an adult . It's not always romantic relationships .

Natasha Sattler 9:05

Then mental health is the mental health that I saw as being most common and misused in my society of my generation . Instagram TikTokers that are just throwing words around like oh , I dated a narcissist , or oh , my friend is psychotic , or I have such bad anxiety today . Oh you know , my favorite show ended . I'm so depressed , like none of those things are being used correctly , and so I wanted to define what they actually are . I think like depression , for instance , we were shown videos in school and it was said to us like this is what depression looks like , and if it didn't look exactly like that for you , if you didn't have the exact same symptoms as Jane on the video , you're like oh well , I'm not depressed , I'm just sad , and I wanted people to know that anxiety , depression , all of the mental health things that fall into those categories look radically different from person to person . Some people who are depressed get very tired and some have a lot of energy and it's manic . Some with anxiety get really hyper and try and fix and work through their anxiety through doing , and some are paralyzed in it and cannot move a muscle . It will look very different for people . So if you're comparing to the guy next to you who was diagnosed as depressed . You're like , well , I'm not that , so I'm not depressed , that's not going to move you forward .

Natasha Sattler 10:29

And so I broke it down what it could look like , what it may look like for you , but also just some healing techniques , some things to see . Does this help ? Like the anxiety section I heal ? I wrote down six different things that work for me in six different scenarios . I'm not saying all six will work for you . All six don't work for me in every instance but if one of those or two of those works for you occasionally , it might be worth exploring that . You may have anxiety , and that's the goal . It may not look the same for everybody .

Daniela 11:01

You did a lot of research . I imagine I did a lot of research .

Natasha Sattler 11:05

Yes , I did a lot of research and I also talked to people because I feel like the more we are becoming a digital age , the less we're actually talking to each other . We're asking Google , we're not talking . I , anybody could Google things and Google gets very overwhelming . If you've ever asked one question and you get like 10 pages of results in the first , two , results that are like the top , are completely different from each other , like the first one says you should do this and the other one says you should definitely not do that , you're going to feel overwhelmed and confused and I found talking to people and finding the most common answers and advice that was the way forward . It was people who have lived it as an experience . What did they say from the other side and not what did Google say from an ?

Daniela 11:55

algorithm . Natasha , I have to ask you the question about community . So what is your generation going to think about ? People are more work , work , work , take care of your house and you're busy all the time and if you want to see a friend , you have to like , book a date to advance and and there's no that sense of community and , as you said , people are looking for Google instead of like talking to people . That is really affecting the mental health of people , so how do you think that that's going to be fixed ?

Natasha Sattler 12:24

It's interesting because community , I think , is so important and is getting redefined for us every day . So community when you're younger , it's your family and your school friends . As you get older , it's the friends that you have stuck with , and then it's college friends or work friends or friends that share a common hobby with you , friends that you make in your geographic vicinity . Then , as you get older and you get married , you have kids , it's your partner , it's the friends within your kids community , and it evolves naturally . There's a interesting shift that's happening because community is now both expanding and contracting . So I can reach anybody you are in Vancouver right now and I'm talking to you . I can reach anybody through the internet . I can find my community . I can find people who like the same stuff I do in three seconds .

Natasha Sattler 13:18

But not everybody in those communities is nice . Not everybody is going to come at it with kindness and especially behind a keyboard . The internet is isolating people , making them feel more alone . So it's finding the kind community more important than the close community

Building a Supportive Community

Natasha Sattler 13:38

. Finding somebody who likes the same things I do is different than finding somebody who relates to me on a soul level , and that's where you're going to find your answers . That's where you're going to find the person you can confide in on a hard day .

Natasha Sattler 13:53

And what I tell people is on the hard day , the day where you're just exhausted , where you feel like I don't want to talk to anybody except look at the moments of where you go , in those moments I don't have a hard day at work . I don't want to talk to anybody except this one friend . What is it about that friend that makes you feel safe , seen , heard ? That's what you should be looking for in the community , as opposed to volume . We are now like a likes follows mentality of I need 500 likes and 1000 followers or whatever it is for you to feel seen and validated , but that one person who sees you on a bad day . They are going to validate you , they're going to help you through something , and so finding the component that's in there is that's more quality than the 500 lakes . That's just quantity . That's that's . There's no depth to that .

Daniela 14:48

But then everybody knows that , however , people are not doing it . So how do you do that ? How do you create your community of people , of kind people that you relate ?

Natasha Sattler 14:58

to you . I think it's the feeling we're online all of the time , and if you talk to somebody online who gives you that feeling inside , where you're like , oh , I feel safe with this person , explore that . Don't , don't write that off . There's the opposite of that , too . If you're having a conversation or you're scrolling and even scrolling and not interacting with anybody , and you start to feel bad about yourself , then that's not serving you . That's not your community . The algorithm is going to show you things that you have spent a lot of time on . But if you've spent a lot of time watching negative stories or watching like true crime dramas or something , and you leave it feeling icky or exhausted or like there's something wrong with the world , that's just as telling as having a great conversation with somebody .

Natasha Sattler 15:46

The community that you are building now is what you are going to . It's what's going to define your mental health right . So the community it's got to be , the feeling it's got to be what is is keeping you safe inside . What is ? I can't explain it in a word , because everybody knows that feeling where you have a conversation with somebody and it feels like you've known them for a lifetime . I think that's where the community comes in but we get so stuck in . I want to chase this thing that everybody else is chasing . I want the validation and I want to be very clear that validation and community are different . Validation isn't really something anybody else can do for you . It's got to be something that you do for yourself . Nobody else is going to tell you what's right or wrong for you . They're just going to say what's right or wrong for them . I think the community aspect it's getting redefined often , but it's a feeling , it's not a numbers , it's not something you can see , and that's the way forward . Great .

Daniela 16:50

Going back to your book . So you said you had anxiety and you were doing the pandemic nothing to do and you decided okay , I'm going to write this book . So how was that process ?

Natasha Sattler 17:01

Scary , really scary , because , again , I didn't really intend to . So I just wrote everything into a Google document and , as it formed itself , I just kept writing like , oh you know , I want to write this . I thought maybe it would be a blog for a second . But then it goes back to you go on the internet and there's too much information , there's too many answers . So I was like , okay , I don't think it should be on the internet , so I wanted it all in one spot where , if somebody just needs an answer , they can pull it off a shelf , they can go to one resource .

Natasha Sattler 17:31

So I wrote it , I edited it , I edited it again , I went through , I wrote it all in six weeks and then I spent about six or seven months editing it and refining it , which still is a very fast timeline , because I'm actually in the process of writing my second book now , which has taken two years , and I think it's just .

Importance of Community and Connection

Natasha Sattler 17:51

It's not something that anybody prepares you for the refining of your own thoughts , because most people have a thought , they move on , they never think about it again or maybe they come back to it later . But the refining of your own thoughts gives you such a deep introspection to yourself that I was not ready for , and it was really really scary .

Daniela 18:14

Who was supporting you , what the community you had during those times ?

Natasha Sattler 18:18

My parents were fantastic . But the more people that I told about the book what it was so helpful because there were days I wanted to give up and be like you know what . Never mind , that was an idea . I'm not going to publish it but the more I told people about the book , the more people asked about it and they would say when's it coming out , what's happening with it ? Or there was accountability there . But also , seeing their excitement for it , their desire to read it , it reinforced the idea that this is something that's needed in the world , and especially for younger generations , where there hasn't been one answer towards something or things are changing so rapidly that just a little bit of guidance has been necessary . It feels like Like there there was a space for this book , there was a need for it , and that need is what drove me forward .

Daniela 19:08

And how was the anxiety ? How do you manage that ?

Natasha Sattler 19:12

Oh , I have a lot of techniques that I use to manage anxiety , but the writing was so helpful . I think writing is my main outlet for anxiety because I'm one of those people that , like , has one thought and then it sticks in their head and wakes them up at two o'clock in the morning and rolls around for a while and getting it out , putting it on paper , giving life to the words , takes it out of the loop . That gets stuck in my head . So it was actually really helpful .

Daniela 19:37

Oh , wow . Yes , that's super interesting . I'm glad you said that . So six weeks and then seven months to edit it polish it . Did you ever thought , okay , this is ready , or you always had doubts , like I don't know , it could be better ?

Natasha Sattler 19:49

The book's been out for two years , I still don't think it's ready . I still am like , I still am like I love the idea of having a manual , like a life manual . But I think life and society changes so often that it's impossible , because we're changing . And I say that because , like , even as I read the book now , I'm like , oh wow , I'm reading it through totally different lengths , and I think that's kind of the beauty of the book , especially , like I was talking recently about the relationship chapter .

Natasha Sattler 20:24

You could read that whole chapter single and read it one way . Then you read it from one relationship . You read it in an entirely different way . You read it going through a breakup . It's entirely different . You read it from another relationship , with a different person . It's different Every time you pick it up . It's you're at a different point in your life , coming at it through different circumstances . So when you're rereading it , you're reading it like it's fresh and new , and I think that's what's great about it is , life is never the same . Every single moment is redefining it for you , and so it's just , it's a tool . It's not a manual . It can't be , because life changes so frequently . It's just a guide , it's just a very gentle little guide .

Daniela 21:02

It sounds like a very versatile book .

Natasha Sattler 21:06

It is . It is because I don't tell anybody that there's a right or wrong way to do something , because I don't think there is there's . Sometimes we need a little help , we need a little nudge , and that's all it's meant to be .

Daniela 21:16

But do you feel like maybe in the 10 years from now and another generation is , the book needs to get a new addition because the generation will do things differently ?

Natasha Sattler 21:27

I do , yeah , and I think the reason that the book exists is because the generation above mine did things differently , and I wrote it for the generation of mine and below , like Gen Z and Millennials , because we're doing things a little bit differently . And then , yes , of course , the kids coming up now are gonna do things wildly differently and I think that's supposed to happen . You're supposed to redefine it . I'm excited for that , but , yeah , it's gonna need some updating and , especially as things keep evolving , like you said , community , the word , the definition of community is evolving . Because of that , we're gonna keep needing new additions of this .

Daniela 22:04

Going back to the community , the thing is that we do need that connection . We still don't make an effort to get it , because I think that's key , Like once you have it , you know like wow , I feel really connected , I feel like I belong . However , people don't tend to do that because they get busy with the day-to-day , that they believe that it's more important .

Natasha Sattler 22:24

Yeah , and we're getting more isolated because answers aren't coming from each other . I think the fastest way to community is conversation and asking questions , finding the answers to life outside of A your own head , because we get stuck in these loops . But also we now have chat GPT which , I keep joking , is just , you know , a more advanced Ask Jeeves . You ask a question and all of a sudden you get one answer and it's in depth and it's holistic and you go cool , I know everything there is to know about that . I can move on . Ai is isolating us , google is isolating us , facebook and Instagram and Twitter we feel like we're getting all of the information , but really information is just coming at us with very little in return , where conversation is a give and take , and that builds community , that builds a relationship and that's , like you said , so important .

Daniela 23:20

Yes , you said yes , your friend . That makes you feel that way , but I know the fact that when you go to some cities more than others , you go to the butcher thing and they know you and they say hello and good to see you , and you go and have a coffee and they recognize you , they actually know who you are . If you go to the gym and then somebody who always goes there says hello to you don't know that kind of thing , that oh , that person knows that you belong , that you're here .

Natasha Sattler 23:46

Yeah , if we're finding ourselves isolated and sort of stuck in that I don't have a community aspect , I encourage people to do exactly that To take a class . Like there's so many resources to go and just you can take a cooking class , you can go do pottery , you can go anywhere , literally do a class with people . Do a walking tour in your own city or go an hour outside , go to a bar , talk to the people next to you . Go to a coffee shop , talk to people . Even talking to somebody in line . Having a five minute conversation with somebody will reignite something in you . It reminds you why that's important , especially if you haven't talked to somebody new in a long time . Relationships can get stale and there can be something that infuses in you . If you go and talk to a brand new person and just have this very brief spark , that's all it takes sometimes .

Daniela 24:43

Also , I think it's a personality thing . The people that are introverts , that they don't really like to talk to somebody . That's the problem too . I think it's also personality . So if you're introvert and you really don't feel comfortable , then maybe you never do that and so you don't have those opportunities .

Natasha Sattler 25:01

Yeah , and I'm outgoing as well , so I understand that for some people it's definitely easier than others . There are things that people do in their daily life , like how many times do people go to the bank , go to the grocery store , go to wherever you go to pick up food and you leave , you get in your car and you cannot tell me what the person you just talked to looks like . So sometimes it's not saying anything . It's when you're going about your daily life . Just look up , just look at the person .

Natasha Sattler 25:31

You might be going through the bank and you say I need to take out this much cash here's the check , here's this and you're looking down the whole time . Just look up , if you are in line at the grocery store saying , saying hi , how are you ? And actually listening to what they say , even if they just say good , how are you Like , listen to the words and look at them ? That's such a small little Tweak that can be made and you're not doing anything different than you normally would do . You're not going out to a new hobby .

Natasha Sattler 26:02

Sometimes being in a movie theater , I think , is really interesting because it's dark and so You're surrounded by people , but it can feel Like you're alone . Because it's dark , you don't have to talk to anybody , but you're all sharing an experience that can feel uniting in a way where you're not at home watching it on your couch . That can happen in live theater . It can happen with so many different things and sometimes on your way out you can find another solo person , just walk near them and be like man . It's so good and maybe you're starting a conversation with them . There are subtle things you can do , tiny tweaks that may not feel so scary .

Daniela 26:39

Yeah , it seems like we could start a movement about just say hi .

Natasha Sattler 26:45

Yeah , just say hi .

Daniela 26:46

Yes , just say hello . It's a smile , that's . That is such an incredible thing . I remember that I was in the supermarket and this woman Smiled at me and I was like , wow . So I think that's that's the another thing that we could do , like look at people and smile .

Natasha Sattler 27:02

I also think you're talking about , like parents and kids earlier , I think , parents Doing that models for their children . There is an organization called Sandy Hook Promise . That is in the US and they are leading through . They're trying to prevent gun violence , but one of their campaigns it starts with hello and the idea is that kids in school Don't talk to everybody . There's always a couple kids that are isolated and the kids that sort of seem outsiders or whatever . They are the kids more likely to turn to violence or to to have mental health problems , and it starts with hello .

Small Acts of Kindness and Self-Discovery

Natasha Sattler 27:40

Passing somebody in a hallway and just saying hello . You do not need to stop and talk to anybody , just look them in the eyes , say hello , keep walking . It is one second of your day and One of the things that they say is if they see their parents do this in life you pass somebody in a grocery store , you make eye contact and you say hello , they're more likely to do it . So it's making tiny changes . We're not asking you to have a whole conversation . We're not asking you to say anything you wouldn't otherwise say . Just walking past somebody and saying hello could change their day In a way you don't even know another example is homeless people .

Daniela 28:16

When they are Money , instead of looking away because you don't want to give the money , I always look and say hello . I don't give the money , but I always say hello because it's part , they're part of the community and you're acknowledging that they're there . I see you , I hear you , you know that kind of thing . I think it's missing at times .

Natasha Sattler 28:35

Yeah , that people exist . It can be really hard , when we're in an isolated world and Everything's behind a screen , to say these are real people . These people exist , especially in LA . Like I live in LA . Nobody walks really here , we're all in our cars and so if everybody is just behind a car , behind a screen , behind a desk , it's distance is disconnecting . I want people to do one sentence , one word Hello or have a great day . Yes , something that simple . Like I do the same . When I pass a homeless person and they say , hey , ma'am , do you have a moment or can you spare some change ? I just go , not today , but have a great day , that's a good one . It's very simple and if you have it rehearsed it's not so scary . But if you're an introvert and you go , okay . If I see a homeless person outside of the convenience store today and they ask me for money , I'll just say not today , have a great day , like it's rehearsed , you know if you know what ?

Daniela 29:29

it's gonna be great easier , and Natasha . So what happened after the book was published ? Do you publish it yourself or you had to find a publishing ? What was the process ?

Natasha Sattler 29:39

Yeah , so I went through the process of agents and publishers and nobody quite resonated with the book the way I did . They wanted things changed or it was , you know , the the language maybe isn't quite what they were looking for , and so I Went through Amazon and Barnes and Noble , so it's available both on Amazon and Barnes and Noble . And then it has evolved since then and it has a podcast now and it's taken sort of a life of its own and people are having conversations , there's a community around it as well and and that's become really special , so there's a podcast as well .

Daniela 30:16

There is . Yeah , tell me about that . Is it yours or somebody else ? No , so it's mine .

Natasha Sattler 30:21

With the book . It's 98 chapters that were what I deemed the most important at the time , and then when the book got published , I realized , through having conversations like this and promoting it oh wait , that was a chapter I wanted to include or , oh , I wish I could have talked about this . And so the podcast is Additional topics , like as they come up in real time , like you were talking about . Like a second edition has topics change or come up in real time , or something has happened in the world that feels like it needs discussing . One recently was like housing the . The market for housing has changed drastically , and so the topics that are more relevant , that maybe weren't necessarily Classics they didn't have the longevity that was necessary in the book , but I still want to talk about them found their way to a podcast episode .

Daniela 31:11

That's great . Great , it's how many episodes you have already .

Natasha Sattler 31:15

I'm in season three . Season one and two have ten episodes each and then so far season three , I believe , has eight . It's quick , like 30 35ish minute episodes of just one more topic , like one quick topic that wasn't discussed .

Daniela 31:29

Also , but you do it yourself or you do , you have guests .

Natasha Sattler 31:33

I have guests , yeah , so each talk , each episode is with a guest and we discuss one topic that they are an expert in .

Daniela 31:39

Yes , and so that that's perfect that you're doing that , because then you will always have to book a life . That is the best way of having it . You don't need a second edition or anything like that .

Natasha Sattler 31:49

Yeah , I mean , eventually I think it will probably need a second edition , just as the world changes . But I think the way that the podcast is structured is because I'm having more in-depth conversations . It gets deeper into certain topics that are more relevant in today society , but also it updates itself and not everybody likes to read . People are more audio based or they need something on the way to work .

Daniela 32:14

That's been really special too , but you also have the book , the audiobook , or not ?

Natasha Sattler 32:21

No , I haven't done the audiobook for it yet . It's on my list one day .

Daniela 32:26

Yeah , and I , and I think it's very important that you do it with your own voice , because I think that makes a huge difference .

Natasha Sattler 32:30

Thank you . Yeah , I agree , especially because there's some witty sarcastic tones in there that I think have to come across .

Daniela 32:40

Great . So podcast commercial producer , you are an author , what else do you do ?

Natasha Sattler 32:46

I travel a lot , I love to travel . That's just a passion of mine . And then over the past year I've bought and renovated a house which has unintentionally become a large part of my personality . I think just having conversations with the people is what , like , really makes me happy , and so I do a lot of these podcasts , and it makes just brings joy into my life .

Daniela 33:07

The outgoing on us is just like we need to talk to different people . So what about the travel ? What would you do ? You'd go ? You're a travel , do you have two weeks off or you just take more time ? Tell me more about that , because I love traveling .

Natasha Sattler 33:23

I love traveling . It's something that I started maybe five or six years ago , traveling alone , but I've always enjoyed traveling with friends , family , significant others , whatever it may be . But a few years ago I started traveling alone and now it's something I try to do for a week or two every year . I went to Portugal last year , I went to Italy the year before and Spain I went to Barcelona . I've been all over Southeast Asia . One time I went to Vancouver for a weekend . So I find that I discover a lot about myself through travel . That's my next book is actually what I've discovered and learned about myself through the places I've been .

Natasha Sattler 34:03

To travel alone or to travel in general , to travel in general primarily , but , yeah , a couple of the chapters about traveling alone . I think it's so important .

Daniela 34:13

Yes , it is . I am itchy if I don't go somewhere . Yeah , you only take two weeks holidays or you go for a longer time .

Natasha Sattler 34:21

I have a longer amount of vacation allotment , but also because travel is such a priority in my life , I just make the time for it . I find holidays like 4th of July or Memorial Day or any of the the breaks that I get , and I take advantage of those . I couple them with vacations . I utilize my vacation days . I tweak things as needed , like maybe I travel at midnight , or you know .

Daniela 34:50

I make it work . You're a young woman who knows a lot about her values .

Natasha Sattler 34:54

Yeah , I took a while to get here , though , and I don't discourage anybody from exploring what they need to explore . I don't think that there's a timetable on when you get to know yourself . For me , it really didn't happen until my late 20s , early 30s . I think there's this pressure for people to like know who you are 18 , 20 , 25 and I say it takes people , however long it takes them .

Daniela 35:19

Yeah , some people die without knowing exactly what they want or what they wish , and I think that's the goal To me . I figured out and not as young , at the same age as you , a little later that we are here to this world just to know who we are and that's all we have to do . Forget about judging other people or trying to do a career . It's just like what is it ? Who are you , what are you here for ? And that's when you figure that out . You will be very content in life .

Natasha Sattler 35:47

I think that's the biggest thing that we can leave behind is just the legacy of ourselves . If you are just completely you and you go through life knowing who you are , leading with those values , other people will take that lesson , learn more about themselves , and it will carry through . That's , I agree . That's all we're here to do . We're here to teach each other who we are .

Daniela 36:10

Yes , exactly to teach who we are , not to teach others what we know .

Natasha Sattler 36:16

Yeah right , yeah , no . I would never say you are this way . I just know who I am .

Daniela 36:21

Yes , exactly , people tend to do that when you're driving , getting upset with people because they don't drive the way it should be , or little things like that . Right , and ? And the truth is , everybody has their journey also to learn different things in their way , so that's great . So what is next ? So you are have the podcast , you are working on the second book , you're traveling to Madrid . Anything else that you're doing that you want to share ?

Natasha Sattler 36:44

No , I think for now just exploring . I continue to learn more about myself . I do anything that can keep me on that path . I mean , work keeps me very busy .

Daniela 36:54

Yes , I was gonna ask how do you manage to work and write a book and travel and I mean because your work is demanding .

Natasha Sattler 37:01

I'm sure it is an extreme lack of sleep and I just there's the saying of like if you want to , you will . I find the way . There's always time . People always say there's never enough time , but there is , there's enough time . If you want it , you'll make time , and so all of the things in my life that I do are important to me , so I just find a way to make it all work Wonderful , so wonderful and so well then .

Daniela 37:26

thank you so much for finding the time to be in my podcast .

Natasha Sattler 37:30

Thank you for having me . I will say if anybody wants to follow my travels , it's Natsat travels on Instagram , and if you want to find the book , it's on Amazon or Barnes . Noble shit adults never taught us . And then there's also the podcast shit adults never taught us . The Instagram links to both of those .

Daniela 37:49

Wonderful . Thank you so much , natasha , for your time . Thank you , this has been wonderful . Yes , it has been . Thanks , I hope you enjoyed it . Today's episode I am Daniela and you were listening to , because everyone has a story . Please take five seconds right now and think of somebody in your life that may enjoy what you just heard , or someone that has a story to be shared and preserved . When you think of that person , shoot them a text with the link of this podcast . This would allow the ordinary magic to go further . Join me next time for another story conversation . Thank you for listening . Hasta pronto .