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Furious over Furiosa: We Debate George Miller’s Box Office Bomb!
What if a film could captivate with its visual brilliance yet stumble at the box office? Join us on the Oh Brother Podcast as we tackle the enigma that is "Furiosa." We start with a heated exchange where I, Dan, reveal my surprise delight in the film, only to be met with Mike's sharp critique of its focus on Furiosa's early years. This spirited debate takes us through the annals of the "Mad Max" series, sparking comparisons to the iconic "Fury Road," and leaving us puzzled over why a film so loved by audiences floundered commercially.
Next, we spotlight the film's standout performances and dazzling visual effects. Chris Hemworth's omnipresence in Hollywood comes under our microscope, and we debate whether his ubiquity is a double-edged sword. We dissect the balance of practical effects and CGI, marveling at the craftsmanship reminiscent of "Fury Road." Our discussion delves into the use of prosthetics and different actors for the same character, questioning the continuity and believability that these choices bring to the film's storytelling.
As we wrap up, we turn our focus to "Furiosa's" financial woes. From budget constraints to marketing missteps, we unravel the complex web of reasons behind its lackluster box office performance. Comparing it to unexpected hits like "Deadpool," we ponder the impact of casting choices and audience expectations shaped by Furiosa's backstory and Hemworth's performance. We conclude with a heartfelt invitation for our listeners to share their theories on this puzzling performance, underscoring our genuine curiosity and eagerness to hear diverse perspectives.
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Welcome to the O'Brother Podcast with hosts Dan and Mike Smith, brothers from the same mother with different opinions on movies, TV, video games and more plus celebrity interviews. Get ready, get set. It's time for the O'Brother Podcast. Welcome to the O'Brother Podcast. I'm your host, Dan Smith. I'm, as always, my brother from the same mother, Mike Smith. Hey, Dan, you always give this real formal yeah, that's, that's my dan daria salute.
Speaker 2:Is that what I always give you?
Speaker 1:okay, let me first say before we get into this um, do you remember the conan show? When conan had the late night show, you know the when? When he took on tbs for letterman no, this one, he took over for letterman, of course, and he and he had that skit. All the celebrities would come on and be jeff goldblum secrets. Do you remember that? And it would be these ridiculous confessions by celebrities that were really confessions yes, I have a confession to make up front.
Speaker 1:I really liked furiosa, oh my god, I thoroughly enjoyed it, and you're the only one I'm not. So look at the numbers. So no, no, hold on, let me, I'll get to the numbers in a minute. All right, we're not just talking box office, so let's get into this, right, right, so okay, so we're doing an episode on furiosa, a mad. Now. This came out back in May, on the 24th. It was available on streaming, I think a month after that, if I'm not mistaken, june 25th. It's two hours 28 minutes runtime, of course, directed by George Miller, again written by Miller and Nico Lothoris. We'll get into the cast and all of that. But we've talked about it because we did a first look on it and then we had done an episode on the original Mad Max Right, which I hadn't really seen from top to bottom, so that we did this episode on it and then I, leading up to that, had watched all of the Mad Max films.
Speaker 2:And the good one, Fury Road.
Speaker 1:Fury Road right. Fantastic film, although I did love the originals and it's hard to compare, so many years later, with the advances in technology and everything Different actors. Yeah, so this one, of course, as you said, this was all over the headlines. It was basically a bomb when you're talking about box office receipts right, but this kicked off like behind me.
Speaker 2:If you notice, I flipped out posters. I have the first blockbuster, jaws, which really started the summer blockbuster.
Speaker 1:Then deadpool is the current blockbuster, although you actually, you actually have dead Wolverine poster. Correct, like that's brand new.
Speaker 2:And please do not take that as me, you know, saying I liked that movie. It's just irrelevant. There goes the episode on.
Speaker 1:Deadpool and Wolverine.
Speaker 2:Well, I'll give you a hint.
Speaker 1:It was obvious you weren't being very subtle about it. And then you got Beetlejuice in the middle because, of course, as of this recording. It's coming. Yeah, beetlejuice, beetlejuice.
Speaker 2:And really to me that's going to kick off the fall.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right. So, anyways, we're not talking about any of those. We're talking about Furiosa, and so this was in development hell, like so many movies, for years and years and years. In fact, the original plan was to film Fury Road and this back-to-back, and then that got scrapped because of all of this nonsense with Warner Brothers and different things that were going on. So that never happened, of course, and Fury Road, I think, was what 2015 is, when that came out, I believe. So if we just look at again, we'll get to the box office mojo in a minute, but it's got a 7.6 IMDb. Rotten Tomatoes again, take it with a grain of salt 90% from the critics, 89 from the audience, and so that's where I fall, in fact, right, probably a little higher in the on the audience. Now I was, having not seen it, I was kind of getting on the you know the train with kind of railing on it for no apparent reason. I hadn't seen it, so it was hard.
Speaker 2:Well, it makes me wonder that there's a high audience score, because there wasn't an audience.
Speaker 1:This didn't even make 75 million domestically and this is what I wanted to talk to you about. This is what baffles me, because I look, I I feel like you're just being a contrarian here. There's no way you can pan this movie and say it was terrible. Absolutely no way you can pan this movie and say it was terrible. Absolutely no way you can say that the effects are some of the best I've seen in the series the world building.
Speaker 2:Like I immediately Effects, effects. You just said something that the original Mad Max this isn't the original Mad Max. I know.
Speaker 1:You're going to take advantage of what the effects can do for you.
Speaker 2:And first of all, before you say I'm just jumping on the bandwagon, I'm not. I was, you are. I saw this opening weekend and I called it from the jump that this was gonna tank. Why? Because, first of all, the main star is not in it for the first hour of the film didn't bother me at all okay, it should have, because why the name of the movie is furiosa?
Speaker 2:right, the name of the movie isn't anya taylor joy, it's furiosa we didn't need to see her as a little kid for an hour. It was a waste of my time now I was.
Speaker 1:I was skeptical when I knew that that was the case because you gave that away. Yeah right, I gave a lot of things away you did. But as I was watching it, that didn't really bother me because I thought the young actress did a good job portraying her. So I was invested in the storyline. Even with her at a young age she the performance was. There was nothing wrong with her performance.
Speaker 2:It was just. The story was just get to the point, Get to Furiosa, Get to you know they were.
Speaker 1:It's an origin story. It's an origin story, yeah. You just wanted to kick into it when she's already like they got to tell the backstory. Yeah, the whole point of this film.
Speaker 2:Then when we do get to Anya, when we get to her, she's mute, she doesn't speak Now, as is Charlize Theron.
Speaker 1:And now she has a lot of interaction with Tom Hardy's character.
Speaker 2:Very little, though, in the grand scheme of things. But if you're going to do that, you have to be a good movie. You have to be telling the story without words, which is really hard. A perfect example is a movie you probably haven't seen but maybe heard of Rafifi. Have you ever heard of the film?
Speaker 1:It's a French film.
Speaker 2:It's on Criterion.
Speaker 1:I thought he was a musician that played for children's audiences.
Speaker 2:No, I think you're thinking of Mimi or Mimo or something. Rikki or Rikki or something, but Rafifi has this chunk and anybody who knows the movie knows there's like a half hour of nothing said. Yet the story is telling so much, the director is telling so much with the movements and the characters.
Speaker 1:This didn't do that it's not, it's that's complete. It did do that, in fact, you're. This is to say nothing of chris hemsworth's performance, which I'll be the first one to be critical, yeah you're you don't like him. No, it's not that I don't like him, it's like with the rock. I'm just kind of like I'm exhausted, like they're in every thing.
Speaker 2:19 marvel movies but he got lost in this character, you know it wasn't all I I didn't watch it. You know thor's in this movie.
Speaker 1:That was intentional that was intentional, in fact, in some of the uh, the making of featurettes that you can watch, uh, which you can get on the stream, you can get on HBO Max. It has all these extras that you can watch. Yeah, miller, I think, was intentionally trying to avoid the typecasting and just with the prosthetic nose was a good choice.
Speaker 1:Plus, I think he was about 20 pounds thinner. That's right Again. Yeah, exactly To get away from the Thor. You know references, but the, the, the whole storyline with her as a kid and her mother and I I bought into it all. I was invested and I I'm amazed at what they do with the effects Now. I mean some of the, the action sequences in the, in the killings of, like the war boys and these parachuting motorcyclists, and I thought it was pretty phenomenal. And you certainly cannot, you don't look at it and go, oh, this is CGI, you just don't.
Speaker 2:A couple of times I did. I even saw wires a couple of times.
Speaker 1:I actually saw why I did. I know you did I did.
Speaker 2:I even saw Wires a couple of times. I actually saw Wires. I did, I absolutely did, absolutely did not.
Speaker 1:I just rewatched this last night, so it's very fresh YouTube subs.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, like that works. People want you to like the movies. We're the only ones that usually call them out Like with Deadpool and Wolverine. I'm here to defend you to like the movies. You know we're the only ones that usually call them out like right, like with deadpool and wolverine I'm here to see somebody be critical of it.
Speaker 1:I can't believe I'm saying I'm here to defend the film. I believe I would say it and I just don't want people to get wait a second.
Speaker 2:Wait a second. One thing remember when we did mad max right and I said skip mad max, go to road warrior. That's the best of the first trilogy. But your opinion both. We both agreed that the effects were so great because they were real. There were guys really going over the handlebars and skidding, it doesn't? This has a lot of cgi.
Speaker 1:It doesn't make them better, right. It's just there's an appreciation for when they use practical effects because of the difficulty. But it doesn't mean one is better than the other. It doesn't, and in fact sometimes it does some well. Sometimes the end result is better, sure, right? Yeah, I agree with that. But the use of one over the other doesn't inherently make it better or worse I.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say that because there's plenty of yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, I like a lot of marvel not, since mulan has the oh brother podcast I am still on the other end of the spectrum now it's funny we talk about visual effects because andrew jackson, who I think was the vfx guy on fury road, probably so and and and, by the way, that film that you like so much, a load of the people that worked on that film worked on Furiosa, I know.
Speaker 2:And I can't even believe. If you didn't tell me, if I didn't see George Miller's name come up, I would have said oh, somebody else. He passed this off to somebody.
Speaker 1:Because remember more off base.
Speaker 2:We talked about how ridiculous, ridiculous, how narrow he shoots and all the mad, mad films have that same kind of thing. There's this narrow, fury road we're going down fury road. He keeps everything tight.
Speaker 1:This is open world. No, that's not true. Go back and watch fury road again. Go back and watch any of the films, very vast, wide screen shots. That again film to be seen in a theater on the big screen.
Speaker 2:A lot of the action is is very tight and very narrow on purpose, sure and it creates this tension, and right. But he didn't do that here. There was way too many pan. You know, pan shots of all these. You know, I don't know what you call them, War boys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know. No, I don't think, I don't think that's that's that's accurate at all.
Speaker 2:You know, by the time on your tail, the joy comes in. She puts. You know, she has long hair at first and then she eventually shaves it to look right. She looked just like charlie sterling. Why not use her?
Speaker 1:she wanted to do it because with another actress because she's a grown woman and this is not set right up to that point but I just didn't look any different than charlize.
Speaker 2:I didn't think so. No, no, no, no well, but but you're making.
Speaker 1:We always talk about you're making a great point to support the performance and what they did with the character, which is you. I don't think you can deny, based on what you just said, by the end of the film you but and we've talked about this with like wonka right, exactly, we have to believe that that is Charlize Theron.
Speaker 2:Correct, not just Furiosa. I did but it went to the point where I was like why not just use Charlize? She wanted to do it. Why use a different actor?
Speaker 1:I mean, what's the hang up with that Anya Taylor-Joy did? A fine job in the film, I think the entire dialogue of her.
Speaker 2:You know, I think her script was one page. That's all she talked for was one page.
Speaker 1:I don't need a lot of dialogue from this character. It's an emotional movie, it's not about the dialogue.
Speaker 2:She connects with this guy on the way when they're, you know, going to Praetorian. Jack Right Right connects with this guy on the way when they're, you know, going to tori and jack right right, she, she connects with him and there was like hints of a romantic thing which would have been more fitting if it was charlize than somebody 20 years younger well that, but that's why they didn't fully lean into that. No, but there was enough there to see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's but I've got nothing wrong with that I think the way they played it was just right. They had formed a very and this was um, uh, I mentioned pretorian jack, played by tom burke, who I really loved. What I loved about his character is that you know it clearly it's a mad max ask type character, but it wasn't mad max right? It's not right. It's not rocket tansky like it's right, but it's within the same. I didn't have any problem with his performance I thought he was great. Where was?
Speaker 2:the infuriate road. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:If there was this romantic, he's dead I know, but sorry folks, spoiler alert why? Take that ripped to shreds and eaten by a bunch of dogs yeah, it was just.
Speaker 2:I just didn't feel like he could. He went anywhere.
Speaker 1:I I was like, again, what they're doing with these effects is just phenomenal. In fact, one of the things another topic we've talked about on the podcast, which is ai and we you know when the strike, when the writers and actors strike was going on the most recent one anyways, we did a few episodes talking about that and you remember that was one of the episodes, the, the points that the, the actors, were arguing for right is is rights when it comes to use of ai and their likeness and stuff, correct. In this case, they use that to their advantage where and I'm sure you don't know, or maybe you do know this, but they they used ai, non-generative ai, uh, which like machine modeling, to kind of morph a little bit of uh, alyla brown, who played the younger furiosa with anya taylor joy.
Speaker 1:I kind of missed the subtle transition from alyla's furiosa to anya's when she was the dog man right and she is wearing the goggles and the outfit. Yeah, right I. It took me a minute. I had to go back and watch it again to go. Oh oh, it's anya taylor joy now. But that's because they were using ai to slowly try to kind of fuse those looks together and again make it more believable that it was.
Speaker 2:It was the same person you know, that's so not a george miller film it is you know, oh, and you haven't seen alien romulus yet.
Speaker 1:It's a 2024 george miller film like that's what I think you're missing. Yeah, what do you want them to stay stuck in the 1980s?
Speaker 2:well, because of this movie, we're likely never going to see tom hardy as mad max again, because I don't think this movie lost so much money that anything they made from fury road is gone and this is where I'm baffled, and obviously you're not the one to talk to about it.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna have to continue to dig. I don't understand why it was such a flop.
Speaker 2:Now I really don't, oh man there's, I don't, I think I was just so I was so riveted by the aesthetics and, again, the world building.
Speaker 1:I, I'm like I even made a note initially like I'm I'm 20 minutes into it, right, and the world building seemed very consistent to me. I felt like I was in a mad max film.
Speaker 1:I had no issue with that at all and then just a little seeing the the origin of, like the building of the war rig and how that came to be and, um, you know how her arm, how she lost her arm right and I I don't think that payoff because that was probably the number one thing you were anticipating, because that was a big deal in fury road we're not told how she loses that arm, but they never showed it.
Speaker 2:You know happening, so we really don't know exactly how it happened. Did she do it herself? Well, no, she she did.
Speaker 1:No, no, I think it is clear if you go back and watch, watch she after she gets the injury because it gets pinned between the tire of the car. That Dementis played by Hemsworth.
Speaker 2:Oh, I remember that. No, I know.
Speaker 1:But then he strings her up, correct To watch Jack die, basically, right. So then they, at some point, you know're, they're torturing this guy all night, all morning, right, right, then cut to. You. Just see her arm dangling from a tree. So she, she ripped herself away from her own arm. Which how grotesque is that? And then, the next thing you know, cut to the scene on her and the motorcycle getting the hell out of you and of course, everyone can survive with.
Speaker 2:You know, getting your arm chopped in half and you know it's mad max how many unbelievable things have we seen since the first one the big eye bulging from the original mad max, I mean the whole thing is absurd.
Speaker 1:That's what I like about it. The language of mad max, the things they say, the terminology is so crazy, I love it.
Speaker 2:Let's go back a little bit, because I enjoyed bullet farm, the citadel. I'm all in baby yeah, it sounds that way, you're. You're gonna be going to see, uh, the the will smith movie next. Right, right or die.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna give that three times up. I hear good things.
Speaker 2:Oh good, lord people are saying you know, this summer has been the worst summer since jaws, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:I you know you can't count the covid, so okay, hold on, because we didn't even get their budget of about 168 million at least that's what's estimated. Right, right, but Right. But that doesn't count as marketing it domestically. F*** the marketing.
Speaker 2:Let's not get into weeds. Well, that's like a $250,000. Nobody gives a s*** about that $250 million budget. That's why this movie will never make a profit.
Speaker 1:Okay, anyways, it brings in about $67 million domestically, right, horrible. That should be our weekend numbers right now. And it's made. It's made 172 worldwide as of this recording which is terrible.
Speaker 2:It's terrible. This. This was gonna be a billion dollar movie and I don't I genuinely don't get it.
Speaker 1:I don't understand it. Wow, I'm not saying this is a billion dollar film, I'm not saying that right, but to not make the money back, it really does baffle me. That's how good I think it is here.
Speaker 2:It just came out on max, which is why we're doing this, because now it's available to a lot more people, right? So let's keep an eye on those numbers that you spouted at the beginning to see I think they're going to course correct a little bit downward as more people see it, because I don't. I think it's just like deadpool. People went in with their mind made up this was going to be, this is going to be the savior of marvel, blah, blah, it's not no, I don't think anybody had nobody had that anticipation of this film by any stretch, but this was the kickoff for the summer.
Speaker 1:And it's literally the biggest tank job and I absolutely encourage people to see it on streaming, like if you got Max, it's a no-brainer. But I wonder, as you say, you know this Charlize Theron, who is a great actress. You know we love her on the podcast. But I wonder if that strangely has something to do with it. If people like you were so invested in her, in the character no, that maybe they had, they had a hang up with that maybe all these movies this summer fall.
Speaker 1:Guy right, I went in expecting to like the movie and you didn't like deadpool and yet, so that makes it over a billion dollars and that's as baffling to me as furiosa is to you.
Speaker 2:Not making money right, because it's just not that good. It's full of easter eggs, if you like that kind of thing. Alien romulus should be called alien greatest hits, don't and wait, please. I have a guy in that I, I know I have to just okay, you just ruin that episode, so I didn't you just save it for the air, jesus, no, I, I didn't ruin it.
Speaker 1:Trust, look the nothing to ruin the, the story, uh, the effects, the action, uh, hemsworth, just when I'm liking Hemsworth, pretorian Jack.
Speaker 2:He's in the whole film. He's in the whole chunk. When they turn it over to Anya Taylor-Joy, they kind of take him out a little bit. He comes back.
Speaker 1:But that's when you're following the storyline of her and Jack, I agree, which I think is great. He was fantastic in that role, fantastic and it makes you. It's a thread to what's to come with Mad Max. In fact, as you know, at the end of the film they cut in scenes from Fury Road in the end credits, which I thought was kind of cool, and even the women, I think the characters were called that Furiosa takes up with when Tom Hardy's character as Max meets them. Remember, correct, they're in the tanker truck or whatever. Yeah, they have some stand-ins at the end of Furiosa who are supposed to be representing those characters from the film.
Speaker 1:They're kind of set up Like the zoe kravitz you know.
Speaker 2:right, they're set up to be the future, you know, and they're also being used for their bodies to procreate yes, the, the mothers, it's the only.
Speaker 1:It's really the only issue I had with the film and it. I that's I wouldn't even say it's an issue, but the very ending scene that does involve dementis. Let's just say that I don't want to ruin it, but there's kind of an end sequence with, uh, that involves the dementis character and that was the only thing. I was a little bit like that's a little weird, but, and that wasn't bad to me really yeah oh my god, that's so bizarre the uh, don't you think so?
Speaker 1:is jack just to talk about the story for a minute? Is jack allowing or letting or encouraging furiosa to seek out a place that he knows doesn't exist in this story? I don't think so like he seems to know where she's trying to get to the land, right I, I think he just hasn't seen it, so he like anybody in this world, it's hard to believe it exists, but there's a sequence between the two of them on the highway or something, where he's saying what do you?
Speaker 1:I don't know, what are you out here looking for?
Speaker 2:there's nothing, it's a wasteland right, and so it seems to me, he was very strong and he shows him the seed, and she's also got a map on her arm that she's following. So but I think, yeah, he's probably doesn't believe it right but it does exist and it's worth both I love this idea of the ben-hur chariot of right cycles that he's driving.
Speaker 1:I was very impressed by that performance and the character that he came up with. I thought it was really cool.
Speaker 2:I did too. I, like you know again, I hate railing on movies because so many people go into making them, and this was a huge, huge movie, A lot of employment.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, and you know I mean Right.
Speaker 2:And I have nothing bad to say about anybody that worked on the film, but the finished product just wasn't up to par.
Speaker 1:I think it really was. What did you think about the actor that played Immortan Joe? I thought that was pretty well done. Yeah, I mean it was pretty seamless you know, hughes key, uh, hugh key, keys burn.
Speaker 2:Who played him in fury road and who was in the original mad max too you know, uh, his sidekick, there was that the same actor, because I thought he was the same guy from fury road.
Speaker 1:Well, what they did. That one I don't know it might have been, it was about four like rictus and rectus and rectum or whatever.
Speaker 1:The kids it was like four or five. The organic mechanic played by angus sampson, like there was a few of those actors that were came back from fury road. That one I don't know offhand. Then there was others where they again use the ai to kind of help rather than like de-age, somebody which there was talk about that with charlize there on. In fact she's quoted as saying would she have liked to have reprised it in this case? Sure, but she understood the decision.
Speaker 2:So you know, make of that what you will you know, because of this movie, I think the franchise is over.
Speaker 1:I don't't think, which would be a shame. First of all, beyond Thunderdome is a total pile of shit. So to not say that that's worse than this, don't even try to say that, don't even try to say that.
Speaker 2:No, no, I'm not going to say that I mean rest in peace to Great Team Turner, but they reinvented the franchise with Fury Road.
Speaker 1:Did you realize Hemsworth's wife was in this film? I didn't um, his wife elsa. You know the character is one of his band of hoodlums. You know, with the she had like the really gnarly mouth and the like. It was like stitched and she made a. She made a play to be one of the people that got to ride on one of the motorcycles that tore that character limb from limb. In the beginning, yeah, they tie him up. She was one of the ones that she was like wearing a nightgown or whatever.
Speaker 2:That's his wife yeah, she, her hair is normally, I think she's blonde. She wasn't blonde, no no, no, she's not.
Speaker 1:she's blonde. She wasn't blonde, no no, no, she's not. She's like dark haired actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I just wow, we couldn't be further apart. You know what I feel like? I feel like this summer, the character that Martin Short with the cigarette it's me, right, it's him, it's not me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which, of course, he based on the stand. The female makeup artist on saturday night live that used to do their makeup, yeah, and she, but you can put it in any situation and that's like I picture the pitch meeting so funny that you would think that it's so funny listen I I'm completely satisfied
Speaker 1:that's your opinion in fact, what bothers me is that thunderdome is part of this whole saga. If that was not part of it, you would have a solid set of films here that was such a different. I mean that goes back so far I hope that hardy gets another shot, because I do too.
Speaker 2:I want to see his character again. I mean, just wow, it's mad max of all episodes, please.
Speaker 1:Please, first of all like and subscribe, but drop us some comments on this video who's side do? You think I mean, am I just out of my mind with this, because we're not even close? No, we're not even in the same if we could sit here for an hour and and you would never change my mind and I, I don't know. It's almost like you went into it with a, with a desire to hate it.
Speaker 2:I was excited about it. I remember telling you I'm really looking forward to this.
Speaker 1:I same thing with fall guys Same. I mean, there's so many movies this summer I went in excited about there's so many movies this summer.
Speaker 2:I went in excited about, please.
Speaker 1:please, drop comments and let us know. And look, I got no problem. If you don't agree with me, that's fine. It's just my opinion at the end of the day. But I really struggled to see why you're so far off the mark in disliking this, as I am with the overall take Correct.
Speaker 2:I mean you got gotta say there's something going on because something going on all these other movies. You know we looked at quiet day, day one, which, by the way, quiet day two, quiet had a day one. Quiet place, yeah, quiet place had a day one in it.
Speaker 1:It, it didn't, though it was like it did. Oh, we talked about that it was like the first 20 minutes of the second one, that's all.
Speaker 2:It was Right, but anyways, that's, don't get derailed. I want the people who are just going to watch it now, I hope people Mike's mad that this was a quiet Furiosa.
Speaker 1:That's what he's pissed about.
Speaker 2:No, I hope, Because the people who have already seen it on rotten tomatoes are saying good thing, yeah, and I but I I want to to your point.
Speaker 1:I want to know what it. What is it what? Why did this film flop, you know, financially, like it didn't it?
Speaker 2:just it didn't feel like a george miller film. It didn't feel like and I remember we talked about fury road and how some people call that a perfect movie.
Speaker 1:There's everything in this the tunnel dwellers and the war boys and there's everything you could possibly want in a mad max film is in this film, except mad max right, but there's, there's a and I don't think she carried it. I don't think he's not in the picture at this point, but there's a Mad Max-esque character in Praetorian Jack, and I found that satisfying because I think without that character I would have had a problem.
Speaker 2:See, that makes me think we're closer than it seems to be.
Speaker 1:Well, I think that helps If you take that guy out.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's that big a difference.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it just speaks to the performance of the actor in that. You know, and again, I like their relationship. I liked that. I don't think Hemsworth as the antagonist with Furiosa would have been enough. I can agree with that. I don't think that would have maybe sustained the film. But well, he really liked her originally.
Speaker 2:I mean he wanted her to be his.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kind of right. But, he was just as quick to to want to rip her to shreds. Well, he was like that with everybody.
Speaker 2:Sure Word man Right.
Speaker 1:But I could. Everybody. Sure, word man right. But I could not be more eager to get feedback on this. I just, I'm really baffled by it all I really am, and I would say, if I thought it was, I would say it right.
Speaker 2:I like all the movies that have that, you know, over 300 million. I don't know how ride or die, I don't know how, but this one tanked more than any of them and there's got to be a reason for that. No, I don't want to hear from deadpool's high because people are going back to rewatch it for the Easter.
Speaker 1:I don't want to hear just from the Mike loyalists coming out. Oh, I agree with my you know, do I have any loyalists?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm the one that gets criticized, you pander to a certain crowd, let's be honest.
Speaker 1:But I really genuinely am interested to see what, what, I am too.
Speaker 2:I always I mean I always like to see some to see what, what I am too.
Speaker 1:I always I mean, I always like to see somebody. So if you are still watching and listening at this point, please come back to the video and drop some comments and let us know where why did this film? Why did it say doctor, it's great yeah, let's give us your, give us your.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly I gave you plenty of reason that I have more.
Speaker 1:But right, I want to hear your, your rationale, your thesis as to why you think it was bad.
Speaker 2:Or, if you agree with me, then help me make this case a little bit better than I'm making it to mike, because I certainly can't convince you I am not above being persuaded if you could persuade me with arguments it's not easy, but no, but I I've been known to change my view and and even when I watched this the second time, I was hoping for a better outcome. I don't know why.
Speaker 1:You know she didn't really shave her head too. Right that I was surprised by that. I thought she actually shaved her head. I thought she did too. She didn't shave her head charlize, I think yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's how advanced now this kind of stuff has gotten. That wasn't visual effects, it was practical, but it's like I mean there's literally women sitting there like inserting every strand of hair. I think I heard them say it takes like three weeks to make one of those things, skull cap or whatever it is With the hair in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't know that. The beard, that beard, beard, that's all right, I mean, it's unreal, it's like three hours in the makeup chair.
Speaker 1:Wow, it's in his nose. You know that was a good choice, because I think without that it's thor yeah it's just thor although his, you know his and he's too. He's too pretty, so you've got to do something to kind of yeah, get make that character a little off balance, which which he is. I mean, he's demented, he's demented correct, correct, anyways. Well, look, I feel it's one of those things where I feel bad that you didn't like. I wished you like I do too.
Speaker 2:I enjoyed it I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:I, I enjoyed it. I wish there you go. I wish I watched your version of it. Let's hope this is not the last. I know this is not the last Mad Max installment that we get.
Speaker 2:I mean, Tom Hardy really took it to another level than Mel Gibson did. Would you be?
Speaker 1:willing to go back and watch it again at some point. Furiosa, you get some distance from it. Maybe come back, yeah, back, yeah, maybe maybe with some space and yeah, now, but you know dive into any extras. I I didn't because you know I had watched it when it came out, watched it a second time.
Speaker 2:I didn't feel like I needed to know maybe a commentary by miller could persuade you. Well, you know it's interesting. You say that because fall guy, which you now have, you haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 2:I don't think you do have it yeah, I watched it when it came out. I watched it on dvd, no change. But when I started to listen to the commentary I was like, okay, you know I was liking bits and pieces of it that I wouldn't have liked if I didn't know how they did it. So, yeah, I'm open to that and I don't have the disc yet because it's still like 30 bucks and I'm not paying 30 bucks for this.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe maybe that's a first on the old brother podcast. Maybe we'll do an episode where we come back and see if anything's changed. Yeah, no, that would be kind of interesting. A second like a quick yeah, quick, it's a second look with the old brother podcast right well, wow, okay, I didn't expect it to be quite this heated, but uh, there you go.
Speaker 1:So, uh, I thought you were gonna be right with me, like crying out witness me, witness my rejection of this film, you know. Anyways, I think I want to go for halloween as one of the war boys this year, but I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to get on the hemsworth diet plan to get the old six-pack flowing again yeah, well, it's gonna take more than the well, I can't grow uh five inches yeah, golden locks.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Well, there you go, folks. A very, very split decision here on the old brother podcast, but again, let us know what you think Go out to the channel.
Speaker 2:Why? Why did this bomb? Just answer that? Why did bomb? If you liked it? Why do you think it tanked?
Speaker 1:Well, why did it financially tank? But those that did see it liked it. So what is it a mark? Was it a marketing plan?
Speaker 2:see no because word of mouth, the second week of a movie is really the tell yeah, the first weekend. Any movie can make 90 million.
Speaker 1:I haven't looked. I'm sure you could pull it up a box office mojo, but I don't know how many theaters this was in. I'm sure quite a, quite a few. Yes, so you know.
Speaker 2:But obviously those people who liked it. Their word of mouth didn't convince anybody right where fury road that had legs it went on.
Speaker 1:Everybody loves fury road everybody it's.
Speaker 2:It's such a good movie and that's now.
Speaker 1:If you drop, if you hate fury road, drop us a comment maybe that's why, maybe I was expecting fury road. Well, that's less that's what I mean. Like you've got hardy and charlie's like right that's a tough. You know hemsworth and anya taylor. Joy, I can see that isn't the same ingredients.
Speaker 2:No, but you know I'm a fan of Chris Helmsworth. I thought Ragnarok's one of the best Marvel films. But do you like Chris?
Speaker 1:Hemsworth is really the question. I mean, it's good that you like Chris Helmsworth, but do you like Chris Hemsworth?
Speaker 2:I always get the names wrong. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I apologize. Apologize when he comes on the show. Go out, like and subscribe. Follow us on instagram at ohb podcast. You can find us on youtube at oh brother podcast. All spelled out. That's our handle on youtube. We'd really appreciate it if you uh subscribe to the channel, like the videos, get it, get the show out to more and more people. That's going to do it for another episode of the over the podcast when your host, dan smith, lines. I mean, he's always my and same other Mike Smith, and we will see you next time. Bye, everyone, witness me.
