Transforming Passion into Profit (w/ Shaunna Lee)

What if you could break free from financial constraints and truly align with your authentic self? Join us for a captivating conversation with Shaunna Lee, a seasoned professional with nearly 20 years in corporate America and a deeply personal journey through three divorces. Shaunna reveals the transformative power of multiple income streams and how they can not only empower you financially but also amplify your positive impact on the world. Get inspired by her real-life examples and practical advice on turning your passions into viable income sources.

Unlock your creative genius as Shaunna shares insights on finding joy and monetizing your interests. Discover the practical strategies that helped a friend transition from corporate project management to a successful business built around her love for hiking with her dog. We delve into the importance of maintaining a positive mindset through the use of mantras and carving out time for strategic thinking, drawing on the wisdom of business experts like Keith Cunningham.

Finally, we explore the significance of rest and strategic thinking for those caught in the grind of relentless hard work. Learn from the practices of athletes like LeBron James and thought leaders like Ray Dalio on how deliberate rest can fuel productivity and innovation. Shauna also simplifies the complexities of real estate investing, sharing her approach to mentoring and coaching, which breaks down intricate projects into manageable steps. Tune in to find out how embracing multiple income streams can lead to financial freedom and a more fulfilling life.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:29

Building wealth isn't just about personal gain. It's about empowering yourself and your community. This is Wealthy AF, your ultimate guide to understand what it truly means to be Wealthy AF. And today's guest is Shauna Lee. And Shauna is a coach and, after nearly 20 years in corporate America and surviving three divorces. And after nearly 20 years in corporate America and surviving three divorces, this mom of four founded a business that helps women fall in love and make more money Using various strategies. She has created a customized wellness plan. She's also the author of so You're Divorced, so what? And she also hosts a podcast. She helps her clients align with who they truly are. And Shauna, welcome to the podcast. I'm glad that you're here.

Speaker 2: 1:18

Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1: 1:19

So, Shauna, let's start from the beginning. Where did this today's topic, by the way, we're going to be talking about? Why creating a second source of income matters, why is that important to you? Where did this? Where was this birth from?

Speaker 2: 1:32

matters. Why is that important to you? Where was this birth from? Well, two different questions. So why is it important to me? It's important to me because I see so many people struggling to do what they want in life for the mere reason of lack of money. And creating multiple sources of income, like a second source of income, really is just your stair-stepping into opening your eyes to how vast the possibilities are and all the different ways that we can earn an income. I think with more money, people can be and do who they really are. So I am not one of these people who believe that money is the source of all evil or whatever. The mantras are right.

Speaker 1: 2:17

I reject that, by the way, for you and all of our listeners, absolutely. The love of money is the root of evil.

Speaker 2: 2:28

And the truth of it is good-hearted people can do more with more money, and so, by creating the opportunities and opening people's eyes to the possibilities of all the different ways that they can create these multiple sources of income just allows you to do more and be more of who you are and to do more good in the world you are and to do more good in the world.

Speaker 1: 2:55

So money expands who you truly are. So, if you're a good person and you're poor and I give you a lot of money, you're going to be an expanded good person. You're going to be a giver. You're going to be a lover. You're going to be a person that cares. You're going to be more. You're more compassionate. You're going to have more power, more influence. Right, you're an asshole. Here's my language. You're going to be a bigger a-hole. Right, absolutely, and we've seen them right, we've seen them all. If you haven't met them, I've met them in person, but if you haven't, you see them in movies. Yes, you see them in movies and that's exactly how they are. They're just bigger. They're just if they were poor by the way, those rich people that If they were poor, they would be just like that. A hundred percent, yes, so, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, shauna, tell me what are the biggest financial risks of relying on one income source?

Speaker 2: 3:38

Well, it's so limiting, right? It's limiting your ability to earn more and receive more. I think we put ourselves in this capacity to only earn through one source of income. Most people go their whole lives following the recipe that we've been given let's go to school, then go to college. I just went to a high school graduation last night and the expectation is that the vast majority of them are going to college and therefore going to get a good job and therefore going to be able to retire and then travel and live their lives. And to all of that, no, thank you. Yes, college can be wonderfully expansive and it can be hugely beneficial, but it is not the only way to create income and create a livelihood, and so for people to only follow the one path and the one source of income is just really limiting in my mind.

Speaker 1: 4:37

So what are you suggesting? For someone that might be listening to us and thinking great, all I know we talked about project management bit off air. All I know is how to do this thing, that I work right, I have this job, I'm in this cubicle, I'm doing this thing, and that's what I know. That's what I know to do. Shauna, what are you saying to me?

Speaker 2: 5:00

Yeah, and I actually talked to someone recently and I was telling her I see all these teachers at my kid's school who clearly are not loving what they're doing, like why are they still teaching if their heart is not in it and that's not where they want to be, for all the different valid reasons that it could be? And she said that same thing. She said it's all they know. And so my advice is always I try to make things lighter and less serious, because I've taken things so, so seriously my whole life that I'm like how about we just play with some new ideas?

Speaker 2: 5:31

How about if you just open your eyes, stop or start observing and just pay attention to the things that bring you joy that you, if money were no object, what would you do? How would you spend your time and focus on doing that? Because I guarantee you there is a way to make money at everything you enjoy doing. Now, that's not to say that all of our hobbies should provide a source of income, but the majority of them can, and what I have found to be true is, when you're doing what you love, time goes by, it doesn't feel like work, and if we can do that in a way that we're also generating an income, it's like the sweet spot. And if we can do that in a way that we're also generating an income, it's like the sweet spot.

Speaker 1: 6:15

So how does one do that? Right, because when I say people hear that thing, do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life.

Speaker 2: 6:23

Yes, how frustrating right.

Speaker 1: 6:25

Yeah, it's okay. So I love playing golf. Let's just say, or I love, or I love, I don't know. I like going out for runs or I like going out for walks in the morning or whatever right, whatever that thing that you love is. How do you want? How does one take that and turn that into an income?

Speaker 2: 6:39

So I have. So the walking example is a good one, because I have a friend who she was a project manager with me in corporate America for a long, long time and she just loved hiking with her dog. And she's like what, what do I do with this? Well, I'll tell you what she did. She created two different sources of income from her love of hiking with her dog.

Speaker 2: 7:01

One she wrote an ebook and she highlighted I live in Austin, texas, and so she highlighted all the hiking trails yeah, it's fun city. So she she put together a guide essentially for all these hiking trails in the Austin area and she would do, you know, off leash hiking with her dogs. So that was the first source of income. So now she can sell this book and make some money by just sharing what she has learned. The second is she started boarding doggy daycare dogs and so she started taking in other people's dogs so that she could take them on hikes with her and her dog, and she started generating money there. She ended up building a full-time business out of that doggy daycare hiking love. Perfect example, like she found two different sources of income just from the fact that she liked hiking with her dog.

Speaker 1: 7:54

I love that you said that, because those are, those are people, your friend, what's her name so we can reference her appropriately?

Speaker 2: 8:02

Oh, her name is Gail Thomas Gail.

Speaker 1: 8:04

So Gail is a the type of person that has she learned to tap into her creative genius. And so I have a mantra I think you mentioned mantra One of my mantras and I read this in a book and when I go out on my walk every morning, I repeat this mantra to myself, and it's that I am choosing to operate on my genius from now on for the rest of my life. Guys, listeners, take note of that, it's not my idea. I learned it in the Gap in the Game, in the book, the Gap in the Game. But I love it because I do a lot of mantra right, Some of the ways that I manage my mindset. Yes, and so she tapped into her creative genius.

Speaker 1: 8:49

The challenge is that most people are in their day-to-day life. Sean right, People out here are, you know, they're doing life. They got the kids, they got the soccer games, they got work, they got the dinner, they got the cutting the grass, they got all of the things that life has, and then we have the things that we love. Could you give us a system? Could you give those people that are listening some sort of a strategy to make time to tap into their creative genius? There's a guy that I um, that I listened to and I've studied on, and his name is keith cunningham, wrote the book road less stupid, and those of my avid listeners know because I always mention him here, he's the actual rich dad from Rich Dad, Poor Dad.

Speaker 1: 9:38

I don't know if you've read that book.

Speaker 1: 9:39

I have not, but I'll add it to my list for sure it's a famous book in the real estate space, right In the money space, and he wrote this book and he says business and I studied with him, actually in Austin, texas. He lives in your city oh does he really? Yeah, when I went to that was the time I went to Austin I went to Austin to study four days with him. He has a course, he doesn't do it anymore, he's older, four day MBA and anyways.

Speaker 1: 10:05

Anyways, what he says about business is that business is an intellectual sport, not a tactical game, and what he means by that is you got to find time to think. You got to spend time thinking of your move like a grandmaster. What's your moves? Right, you got to be thinking ahead. You got to be anticipating. You got to be looking at what the market needs. You got to kind of be looking at, but you got to find time to think. So what strategy are you giving to people? So let's go into your strategies, because that's what he says. He recommends already business owners that we have to do as business owners. We've got to think what are you recommending people to do? To find that time to tap into the creative genius.

Speaker 2: 10:48

You talked about mantras and mine. That I say time and time again is baby steps are better than no steps.

Speaker 2: 10:56

So, when it comes to strategies, when it comes to writing a book, doing big, big things, take a tiny, tiny step towards that goal. So for me, I'll just give you a little story. So I love to knit. I have not made money at knitting this is not what it's about for me but it gives me time to think, it gives me time to process, kind of what's going on in the day. And speaking of like doing life, I'm a single mom. I'm still raising two children, so there's lots of waiting in my life. I wait at the car pickup line, I wait at hockey practice, I wait for ice skating practice.

Speaker 2: 11:34

My second home is the ice rink, and so in what I was doing for a little while was I was just, you know, finding pockets of time to work and I would, you know, set up my computer and then all of a sudden I was like just stressed out all the time and I wasn't practicing what I preached, and so I decided to just start taking my knitting with me, and so now I call my mom bag my waiting bag, and I've got a book that I'm reading and I've got my knitting at all times. So I take 10 minutes, 20 minutes at a time to just do something that I love, and so I spend a lot of time knitting and I finished more projects in 10 minute increments than I have waiting for two hours or a full afternoon to like sit down and knit with my you know cup of coffee and my cozy little environment. It's all about those baby steps and making time to do the things that we love, or taking the steps, those tiny little baby steps towards whatever it is you're trying to build or create.

Speaker 1: 12:33

So yeah, there's a great, there's this great advice. There's a great book written by a gentleman named Darren Hardy. It's called the Compound Effect and that's basically it. It's basically is the little things that you do every day, in little increments, add, create a big effect over time.

Speaker 2: 12:51

Absolutely, and I think people discredit this idea of how much you can get done in a small amount of time. We think, oh gosh, I'm going to write a book. Well, I don't have the time to write a book. Well, everybody can find 15 minutes a day to sit down and write. And what I have found is, when we create that opportunity in a tiny amount of like meditating was another really great example I thought, oh gosh, I don't have time to meditate for years, and then I just started carving out 10 minutes at a time in the morning, and then 10 minutes would grow to 15 minutes and I would squeeze in, you know, 20, 30 minutes, and then I was finding that I was making time and I made room for that thing. That needed to be a priority to me. So I think we start small and then we allow it room to grow as it needs to.

Speaker 1: 13:40

Yeah, that's really sound, founded by, because that's how successful people do it right. Successful people have people of means and wealth. We're talking about money here, second sources of income. They have the same amount of hours that everyone else has. Yeah, and I think it's something like 80 to 90 percent of the millionaires 80 percent or something like it. Don't hold me to it, but something in the neighborhood of 80 to 90. Self-made millionaires are self-made. Right, 90% of self-made millionaires are made through real estate, but they're self-made millionaires, so that means that at some point they were where everyone else is, with a regular job and they build a business, and they did some certain things and certain disciplines that got them there.

Speaker 2: 14:29

Yeah, and I would say another thing that's coming to mind to share is and I'm not amazing at remembering exact names, but I'm doing a program with Ian and I cannot remember his last name. I'll give it to you afterwards so you can put it in the show notes, but I'm doing this program with him where he has basically taught people and it's like this, no brainer. When you think about it You're like, oh gosh, why wouldn't I do that? But when it comes to making money, what most people do, he categorizes all of your money making tasks into three categories. It's either maintenance money, just stuff that your regular nine to five job is a great example. Money now, which is anything new that you can do to earn more money in the next 30 days. Or money later, something that you're going to do long term project that will earn you more money potentially a lot more money, but maybe it's going to take 90 days or more. He puts everything into those categories and he said what most people do is they spend their life churning in the maintenance money. Oh, I can, only I got to do my nine to five job.

Speaker 2: 15:29

And he, what he challenges people to do is to think about what are the things that I can do to move the needle when it comes to generating more income with my money now or my money later opportunities. He says if you take 10 minutes to prioritize at the beginning of your day those two things, you'll end up making way more money than anybody else. And I would say that that is what all of these super successful gosh that was a hard word for me to say all of these super successful people who've gone out and built wealth. That's what they've done. They've prioritized themselves. They prioritize the thing that's going to move the needle.

Speaker 2: 16:06

And you do that first in the day. And it doesn't have to always take hours, although some of our projects will. And the other thing that he teaches is that you set aside let's say it's an hour, let's say it's 10 minutes you will fill and get done in that amount of time. Whatever it is that you have said you're going to do. He's like think about all the essays you had to write in college and you knew that there was a deadline. You had 30 days to write it and you wait till the last minute and the night before it's due. You're like powering through and you get it done. He said you will do it in the amount of time that you give yourself to do it. So prioritize first thing in the day is his recommendation.

Speaker 1: 16:43

That's great. I like that you use the meditation example, because I used to be of the same mindset. And so you said you meditate for 20 minutes. I don't even get to 20 minutes, so I started in 2016. That seems like such a long time ago now, in 2024, right, I bought this app and I started with five minutes because I was like I can't meditate. My mind is so loud, like everyone else's, right? Oh for sure it's so loud. And I got all these thoughts and, sure enough, I started with five minutes. I started with three minutes. I think it was two or three minutes. It's this little app Guided Meditation Three minutes and then five minutes. And now I'm at 10 minutes and I looked at the app the other day and it said joined in 2016. And I got like 25,000 minutes, meditated at 10 minute clips at a time. Shawna, you meditate, you are. You are a guru. You meditate for 20 minutes.

Speaker 2: 17:37

Oh, I wouldn't say that.

Speaker 1: 17:42

I meditate for 10 minutes and um, but it's compounded over the last eight years and I'm like, wow, 25,000 minutes compounded. It's amazing what a little, to your point, little 10 minutes, 10 minutes can do. And now I don't meditate. I can feel it in my body and I when I, when I, whenever life is happening, because you know, you don't, I don't meditate every day, because sometimes I'm on vacation or whatever right, I'm traveling and things happen and my body feels it, my mind feels it.

Speaker 2: 19:37

Yes, Anytime things start to go awry in my life where I'm like what, what is going on? Everything feels chaotic. I'm like have you meditated lately? And every time I'll be like no, Okay, fine. It makes such a huge difference for me personally in how I can handle the life that happens and the times where I am meditating consistently, because I would love to say I meditate 20 minutes every day. I do not. Life happens, but the days that I am consistently making time for it, whether it is five minutes, 20 minutes. Listen, I did a guided meditation one time that was a full hour and you would have thought I want to Like I was so proud of myself.

Speaker 1: 20:23

But it was? Did it by yourself or was this in a group setting?

Speaker 2: 20:26

It was a guided meditation by myself in my living room and I don't know about you.

Speaker 2: 20:31

Meditation by myself in my living room and I don't know about you. The guided meditations work when I'm trying to like reach for something specific, if I'm trying to eliminate a negative feeling or manifest something specifically, like when I have, like, a specific topic in mind. But this one was just so crazy because I meditated for an hour and it felt like five minutes and I was just in the zone, you know, like, where time didn't exist. But most days I still am struggling to sit there and be still and not think about my grocery list and where the kids need to go next, and the la, la, la, la la in my mind that, um, you know, some days, if I can just carve out 10 minutes for me to sit still and calm my nervous system, because that's really one of the major benefits for me then that that is the win. So I just let it be what it is on any given day, but try to make it a priority, because essentially what I'm doing is prioritizing myself, which is what I think we all need to do more of.

Speaker 1: 21:34

I think, if you're listening to us right now, you're probably wondering well, what does all of this have to do with creating a second source of income, right? And why it matters. I'll tell you why it matters. I'll give you my thought and then I want you to give the listeners there your thought on why it matters what we're talking about. We're talking about meditation, meditation.

Speaker 1: 21:51

When you meditate, you can. It's the discipline. If you do it for five minutes, three minutes sometimes, if you're a meditator. Again, I've been meditating for eight years, so I'm going to talk about my experience and you can share your experience. Sometimes when I meditate today was one of those days. Actually, today, when I meditated, was one of those days when my mind was really busy. So, um, sometimes when you meditate, your mind is really busy, but it's not.

Speaker 1: 22:17

Sometimes it's not about what your mind does, but it's you sitting there and sitting still and disciplining yourself, regardless of what the mind does, because the mind monkeys around sometimes it just is is where humans be. Yeah, monkeys around. Sometimes you're thinking about this or that, and it's the discipline of sitting there, just sitting still there, even if the mind is going. You're telling the mind okay, you can go, I'll let you be, but I'm gonna sit here for 10 minutes. I'm gonna sit still, and sometimes that's what it is right.

Speaker 1: 22:49

But what you're doing by when you're doing that is that you're teaching yourself to be disciplined to compound, because that's how you create wealth over time. It's compounded, it doesn't happen. People that hit the lotto 90, I think it's like 95% of people that hit the lotto or something like that go broke, because it's not that they go broke because of this thing, it's because they didn't have the discipline get there so they don't know how to maintain it. They don't have the discipline on how to maintain money. So creating second sources of income and creating wealth is about discipline, is a consistent discipline of constantly taking your money and investing it and the future version of yourself, betting on yourself that this money is going to go work at making some more money and like the second source of income, like you said, when you're knitting, what did you call it? You called it your mom bag. What was that? Your mom?

Speaker 2: 23:46

bag. Oh yeah, it was my waiting bag.

Speaker 1: 23:49

Your waiting bag, your waiting bag right, so you have a strategy. I love that because you see, you've weaved a way for you to grow in your chaotic life. We all have. We all have things, games, this, like I said earlier, like the person. So if you're listening to us and you're saying, well, well, it's about the discipline, so what discipline is that? Maybe, and that could be, you know, that could be a form of meditating too. You know, sewing, right, that's that could be walking as a form of meditation. It's about the discipline that you build and what it does for you mentally. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 2: 24:25

Yeah, no, I agree with all of that. And I think when it comes to discipline, I always kind of buck up against that a little bit, and so I'm like, oh gosh, one more thing I need to do or what I should be doing. And for me I think I've tried to. I've tried to soften a lot of things because I've been so in my masculine energy, like, listen, when you talk about a chaotic life, I'm like you're, you're talking about my life like everybody else thinks. Right, like I have three ex-husbands, I have four children ages 11 to 30.

Speaker 2: 24:55

I have been momming for a long time. I've been a single mom for most of those years, and so chaos is something that I'm familiar with. But being able to find the peace and the chaos is something that I have only recently kind of mastered. And I fall into my comfort zone all the time of just stressed out and go, go, go. And so I think for me that's why meditating and knitting have become so important, because they are very therapeutic, but it's bringing me back to my center, it's bringing me back to myself. Prioritizing myself as a mom is like almost impossible most days, but what my kids see me do is prioritizing myself, and then I'm setting the example for them on how to do the same thing. And when it comes to a second source of income specifically, and meditation, I'm going to tie it back together in a different way. So, for me, meditating was at first a way for me to learn how to calm my mind and then center and calm my nervous system, and it was all these like touchy, feely benefits that I couldn't quite quantify, but it felt better, right, and so I was like well, I'll just keep doing because it feels good. I know the difference on the days I do versus I don't.

Speaker 2: 26:13

However, there is a very specific thing that happens in meditation no other time in my life, and that is that's where the hits of wisdom come from, that's where the hits of intuition come from, that's where the idea for my book came from, that's where the urge to write a podcast came from. Like all of these nuggets of wisdom that are not mine, I think they come from the divine. They come in those moments of meditation because I have centered, I have grounded, I've prioritized myself, and I suppose you could call that discipline, but really it's just making the time to do what's important and then you're rewarded with the brilliant idea that will earn you some extra money. And it doesn't always the brilliant idea that will earn you some extra money. And it doesn't always initially be like, oh, this is your great, brilliant business idea. But sometimes it's for me, oftentimes it's just the very next step.

Speaker 2: 27:09

So I was hearing simply one word podcast. What the heck do I do with that? Do I start a podcast? Do I go be a guest on podcasts? I didn't know. So I started playing with it and I just kind of toyed around with the idea of starting my own show. I started being a guest on other people's show, figuring out kind of how that works, and I think in the process one step leads to another step leads to another step, and then you look up one day and you're like, oh, that makes sense, I get it. And then you realize you've built this second source of income in a very fun, playful it. And then you realize you've built this second source of income in a very fun, playful, easy way and that's what I want more people to be able to do.

Speaker 1: 27:47

That's amazing. That's really, really good perspective. There's the pressure to have a side hustle right, Because that's the word that's fuzzy word on the internet and young people are using glorify over work and the hustle culture. Is there a balance to be strong?

Speaker 2: 28:06

I think, yes, it does glorify this idea of work hard, go, go, go, be faster, do more. And this, this idea of being rewarded for hustle, to me is focusing on the wrong thing, like I am here for everybody to earn more money and have more money and build your wealth and build a legacy. Like, yes, let's do that, but how about we do it in a way that feels better and is easier and a little flowier and feels natural to you easier and a little flowier and feels natural to you, because I think everybody should be naturally rewarded for what they're good at, and not this hustle, let's grind, let's make it happen. Like, listen, you can do all of that, you can absolutely do it the hard way, but I don't think it's necessary.

Speaker 1: 28:55

So what do you say to that person? That all they know is work right. All they know is work hard. All they saw their parents or their family do is work hard. I come from that right. I come from that culture. I come from seeing my mom waking up at 4, 5 o'clock in the morning, take us to babysitter, go work at a factory. First generation, born American right, and my dad died literally. My dad passed away, may he rest in peace. Passed away in well. He got a stroke while he was working and to the very last moment right, he was in a mechanic's shop.

Speaker 1: 29:36

So what do you say to that person that believes or that doesn't know better? Because we just don't know better. I put myself in that category, by the way. I'm asking you to give me the old version of me.

Speaker 2: 29:53

Yeah, yeah, so I also.

Speaker 1: 29:56

All I know is like I'm going to just plow, work 10 hours, 12 hours, I'll get another job, Like I'll do whatever it takes. I still have that grit attitude, by the way. That doesn't change. It's in my DNA, it's in. I just do it a little bit smarter Now. I take time to think now my efforts go a little different, but what would you say to that?

Speaker 2: 30:16

So my advice is actually counterintuitive. So for the overworked worker, I would say start by allowing yourself rest, and everybody who is that person is going to be like nope, don't have time to rest, can't be resting. And that would be my advice. Give yourself 10 minutes every day to do nothing. Don't think about earning money, don't worry about what money you don't have, don't think about what you should be doing. Just rest for 10 minutes.

Speaker 1: 31:00

I love that you said that, because there's another great book. I don't know why my mind is going on books today. I'm just getting. I'm just thinking about a bunch of different books I read. There's a book I read some years ago, I think it was. The Rise of Superman is the title of the book, and in this book it talks about exactly what you just said.

Speaker 1: 31:19

And that is like the best athlete. And there's a the best athletes. There's a lot of uh, there's a lot of examples from different top athletes. They use a lot of athletics in this book and it's for the overwork, right. Like how do you, how you be ultra successful, reach success? And they were quoting on. I'll use LeBron James because everyone knows lebron james. He's one of the top athlete. Basketball right now has been for many years and he shares. Lebron james actually shares.

Speaker 1: 31:50

They quoted him that his his recovery time this is the top athlete, right is the most important thing for him. That like his recovery time, where? And his recovery time believe it or not guys, this is gonna sound crazy it's him watching tv, sitting in his sofa, just maybe eating chips with his kids, and that's his recovery, just he's. Kobe bryant was another really big one on recovery time. Michael j Jordan was very specific on his recovery time, so you are very specific and very targeted on your recovery time. You said that during those 10 minutes of meditation that could be part of your recovery time is where the ideas come in. Ray Dalio talks about I don't know if you remember Ray Dalio Ray Dalio talks about that quiet time.

Speaker 1: 32:41

Keith Cunningham, I just quoted him earlier right, rich Dad from Rich Dad, poor Dad. He talks about think time. He has a think time. He has such a strategy, shauna. His strategy is he has a chair in his home, so he's anchored it into his nervous system. He has a chair in his home, so he's anchored it into his nervous system. He has a chair in his home where he sits down every Sunday morning and he has a list of questions that he grapples with and he asks himself. And he puts a timer on his phone. He turns everything off and he puts a timer no phone, no, nothing for 15 minutes. And he opens his phone. He turns everything off and he puts a timer no phone, no, nothing for 15 minutes. And he opens his book.

Speaker 1: 33:22

He sits on this one chair, this thinking chair, and he puts his hand on his head and he sits there with a pen and he has a very clear strategy and he puts a dot. He asks a question, writes a question and he puts a dot and he just starts writing whatever idea comes and then he puts another dot. His strategy is he puts another dot until his mind gives him another idea and he just keeps putting dot and then when the clock rings, he'll stop. He'll stop and he says 90% of them are going to be crap ideas, but there's going to be one or two gold nuggets in there that are just gems that make me a lot of money. That's a strategy. Right, that's one strategy. So I really love that. You shared that rest time. What is the importance of rest? Why do you think that resting just that worker hustler that needs to rest?

Speaker 2: 34:20

resting, just that worker hustler that needs to rest. So for me, I can talk about personally and the friends and family and clients I've worked with For the person who is overworked and they wake up thinking about how to earn the next dollar, and it's most of the time people in this space and I'll speak from my own experience. I was trading my time for a set amount of dollars and I think the real gold happens when we can get out of trading time for money and we are then generating. We're creating something new that's scalable and can be, you know, create once, sell many times, as this kind of concept that you've heard in the online space, specifically like let's create one book or let's create one online course and then sell it many, many times over and over and over again that becomes a scalable way to generate income. People call it passive income.

Speaker 2: 35:19

I don't know that I like that term necessarily, but when it comes to rest, what you're allowing yourself to do because when you're in that time for money space and you're go, go, go all the time your nervous system is not regulated and so by just allowing yourself to rest, what will happen first for most of these people is that you become very, very uncomfortable because the idea of just sitting still you think you're lazy, there's something wrong with you, there's all these shoulda, woulda, couldas in your mind about what you should be doing. And I think, when it comes to the discipline that you were talking about earlier, is you create discipline to say no, what my body needs is rest. Our bodies are not meant to go, go, go. If you look at things in nature or the way just, let's say, just taking a walk for 10 minutes every morning, you go around the block twice just allowing yourself to. So here I'm going around in a few circles. But when it comes to resting, for a lot of these go-go-go-doers it's hard to just sit still, and so for the idea of sitting still, to meditate for 10 minutes feels bad and wrong for all sorts of reasons.

Speaker 2: 36:34

So if you can start by incorporating a walk, a lot of times you feel like, well, okay, I'm getting a little exercise. Maybe this is okay. It's just baby steps into prioritizing yourself. But when you are outside, walking in nature, things slow down. Your heart rate can slow down. It's doing the same thing. It's just allowing you to kind of slow your roll a little bit, and that's where we can soothe our nervous systems and kind of. You have to calm yourself and get still and centered in order to be able to hear the divine, be able to hear you and your intuition kind of knock, knock, knocking on the back door of your mind. And so just by creating those ways to be still or to be quiet and sometimes, you know, walking can be a good mechanism to not be still necessarily but to quiet your mind I think that just brings us all sorts of benefits.

Speaker 1: 37:34

Really, really well put Shauna. What is the one thing, shauna, that you? One advice, one strategy, that one strategy, one elite strategy that you would give someone listening to us that they should do to start generating that second source of income outside of their job?

Speaker 2: 38:06

I have a hard time thinking of just one. Two is coming to mind Go with it.

Speaker 2: 38:13

I think, first of all is let's just sit with the idea that you deserve it and you're worthy of more than you have today. Like, just getting to that point, I think, is what prevents people from holding the money they earn. It's what prevents the lottery winners from keeping that big giant windfall of money. Big giant windfall of money. Just sit with. I am worthy to have more, I'm worthy to have it, not just earn it. Because I think a lot of the worker mindset is earn, earn, earn.

Speaker 2: 38:51

But we don't spend a lot of time thinking about keeping and having and just sitting with a lot of money. And so I think that's the first strategy I would recommend. And I mean, I don't know, it all comes back to prioritizing yourself, which is kind of the same thing. But just, you know we hear this mantra you can't pour from an empty cup, that you need to fill your cup first. You know you're on an airplane and they say put your oxygen mask on first in an emergency before you help other people. Like if you apply this to your own life and actually prioritize your wants and desires and needs before you even think about what you need to do for other people, First of all, just allow yourself to do that, I think, is one of the big ways that people have challenges. You will be a better mother, business owner, father, friend, co-worker whatever category you are putting yourself in, you will show up better when you have prioritized yourself first.

Speaker 1: 40:01

Really really good sound advice. I know that you do one-to-one coaching. I do. If someone, if people heard people that heard you here want to bring you on as their coach or they want to connect with you Shauna, how do they find you? Where do they connect you?

Speaker 2: 40:24

Thank you so much. You've been an awesome, awesome guy. Thank you. Thank you. This was such a fun conversation. So you can find me on any of the social media platforms under Simply Shauna Lee, but the very best way to engage with me is to go to my website and download my free start again guide, shaunaleecom slash start again, and it is a guide that will really just help you do any of these things that we talked about, but in a really simple baby step kind of a way.

Speaker 1: 40:46

I love that that you teach things in a simple, baby step way, because most of us we live in a complicated world. While we have everything we desire. Any piece of information we desire is at our fingertips, is in our pocket. I think we're getting too much information. So when I coach people and I mentor people, I mentor people on real estate investing. I teach people how to create wealth through real estate investing. One of the things is when they come to me is like hey, all this stuff? One of the common things I hear is Shauna, all of this stuff that you can teach me, it's all on YouTube. So okay, so why are you here? They don't know how to implement it. It's too much yes, it's too much information, so they don't know. They hear one guy say this, one guy say that this, this, that, and they don't know how to implement it and it becomes such a big elephant and they don't know how to eat the elephant.

Speaker 2: 41:42

And you simplify things which is amazing, yeah, yeah, you know. So we talked about how I did project management in corporate America for 20 years. Like I, I just simplified an overall big, complex project. But one of the other things that I had a hard time understanding that this really was my, my genius, my zone of genius is that I simplify the complex. We can overthink some things all by ourselves. Sometimes all we need is for someone else to say, oh hey, how about you just do this step, then this step, then this step, and just simplify this overwhelmed, chaotic, you know overthinking. And so, yeah, that's exactly what I do, is I simplify the steps to get you to where you want to go.

Speaker 1: 42:27

Amazing. Thank you so much, sean. I really appreciate you for coming on the show and sharing all of your insights and wisdom. Thank, you.

Speaker 2: 42:36

Thank you for having me, you're welcome.