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A’Lelia Bundles: Madam C.J. Walker and a Family Legacy of Pioneers

September 24, 2020 Reisha Raney and A'Lelia Bundles Season 1 Episode 13
A’Lelia Bundles: Madam C.J. Walker and a Family Legacy of Pioneers
Daughter Dialogues
Chapters
2:10
Great-great-grandmother Sarah Breedlove, Madam C. J. Walker, first self made female millionaire in U.S., connection to two Revolutionary War patriots through adopted grandmother Fairy Mae Bryant
6:01
Fairy Mae Bryant; discovering family treasurers at grandfather's home; Mae studying at Spelman College, first in her family to attend college; mother's paternal family attending college
9:24
Very little contact with Mae's biological family; A'Lelia's mother passing shortly after A'Lelia finished college
9:58
Learning about Mae's connection to Revolutionary War patriot; ancestors free people of color who migrated from NC and created settlements in IN in early 1800's
11:37
Roberts Settlement in IN, seeing one of great grandmother's name's, Samira, and connecting with description on register of free people of color
14:10
Revolutionary War service of Thomas Archer and Ishmael Roberts
16:06
Ishmael Roberts: Lumbee Indian or African American? DNA vs. family lore vs. historical record
18:45
Roberts family migration of free people of color from NC to IN
20:47
Importance of people of African descent in America, rejecting the idea of others who imply "real Americans" do not include people of color, proud to say have a stake in America
23:15
Family’s multi-generational use of the name "A'Lelia"
24:01
Great grandmother A'Lelia Walker
26:49
Feelings about adopted vs. biological ancestry
28:31
Grandmother Fairy Mae Bryant's continued connection with her own biological family after being adopted
30:12
Born in Chicago, raised in a new black suburb of Indianapolis; father's family grew up poor
34:15
Father president of Summit Laboratories haircare company, one of first blacks to graduate in Journalism from Indiana Univ., denied editorial jobs
37:29
Walker company loss of market share, company model disrupted by introduction of chemical hair straighteners
41:21
Mother attended Howard University, vice president of Walker company; mother's family attended Lincoln and Oberlin; family's expectation to have own identity and accomplishments
43:15
Impetus for writing about Madam Walker
45:35
Discovering love of writing at age of eight; winning national awards for high school newspaper, interviewing Diana Ross in junior high school
48:42
Growing up attending predominantly white schools, working on school newspaper, first black vice president of student council- elected same day MLK assassinated
53:23
Decision to attend Harvard College; no pressure to live up to Madam Walker's legacy
57:23
Attending Radcliffe College, graduating from Harvard, not feeling isolated as a female and a black student, secretary of class
1:04:04
Working at black radio station in Indianapolis, IN and Dupont in Wilmington, DE
1:05:52
Losing mother while studying Journalism as a grad student at Columbia University
1:07:48
Mother advising her to "tell the truth" about Madam C J Walker's- married 3 times and never divorced second husband, politically radical followed by black spy during WWI and labeled dangerous "negro subversive"
1:11:27
Experience working as a black female at NBC in 1970s, beginning in a management training program
1:13:23
Working for NBC in Houston, white men as mentors, covering a Ku Klux Klan rally in MS
1:18:03
Working in Atlanta covering child murders, Jesse Jackson, and Geraldine Ferraro
1:19:58
Working as a producer for a news magazine show, relief from prior "on call" job duties; Working at ABC on World News Tonight with Peter Jennings
1:22:26
Leaving position as ABC deputy bureau chief to work on book, returning as director of talent development, then eventually leaving to work independently as a speaker and author
1:27:42
Netflix series "Self Made" creating more interest in Madam C. J. Walker and speaking opportunities
1:29:12
Board leadership positions with National Archives Foundation, Columbia and Radcliffe
1:33:13
Emmy for NBC Reagan documentary and Gold Baton award for series on women's health
1:35:13
Member of Academy of Arts and Sciences, Phi Beta Kappa
1:35:25
Receiving awards and being recognized by NY Times for On Her Own Ground
1:37:53
Armed with advice from Alex Haley, making one of first speeches at grandmother Mae's alma mater, Spelman College
1:39:34
Decades long relationship with significant other
1:40:20
Losing father and both brothers within 12 weeks of each other
1:43:39
No pressure to have children to carry on family name, other scholars continuing to tell the story of Madam Walker
1:47:22
Interest in joining the Daughters of the American Revolution
1:49:54
First impressions of DAR changing after learning of other black members, joining to make statement that a part of making this nation
1:51:29
Application process made easier by knowing patriot, DAR assisting with papers
1:52:51
Observation of DAR annual national conference
1:56:21
Complicated patriotism, expecting America to move toward a more perfect union
1:58:09
Taking exception with those who state "Real Americans" are white
1:59:42
Recognizing the complicated history of the founding of United States at expense of Native American people
2:01:06
Enjoying telling others that have Revolutionary War patriot ancestors and member of DAR to shock those who would otherwise erase her from history
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Daughter Dialogues
A’Lelia Bundles: Madam C.J. Walker and a Family Legacy of Pioneers
Sep 24, 2020 Season 1 Episode 13
Reisha Raney and A'Lelia Bundles

Author of the biography that inspired Self Made, the Netflix series about her great-great-grandmother Madam C. J. Walker, an entrepreneur, philanthropist, activist and hair care industry pioneer, A’Lelia Bundles talks about her direct lineal descent from two Revolutionary War patriots through her biological grandmother Fairy Mae Bryant who was adopted by A’Lelia (nee McWilliams) Walker, the only daughter of Sarah Breedlove (Madam C. J. Walker), and became known as Mae Walker. A’Lelia shares stories about how her ancestors, who descended from American Revolution soldier Ishmael Roberts, were pioneers that migrated from North Carolina to Indiana and created free people of color settlements in the early 1800s; and her connection to Revolutionary War patriot Thomas Archer. She discusses her family’s multi-generational use of the name "A'Lelia"; her great grandmother A'Lelia Walker; growing up in a new black suburb of Indianapolis and attending predominantly white schools; her mother (A’Lelia Mae Perry Bundles) attending Howard University and taking the position of vice president of the Madam C. J. Walker Manufacturing Company, continuing the legacy of producing cosmetics and hair care products for black women; her father’s success as the president of Summit Laboratories hair care company; the family’s expectation for her to have her own identity and accomplishments; her experience as a student attending Radcliffe College and graduating from Harvard; losing her mother while studying journalism as a graduate student at Columbia University; the journey to writing about Madam C.J. Walker; experience working as a black woman in the newsroom in the 1970s and highlights from her career at NBC covering the Atlanta child murders and Jesse Jackson, working at ABC on World News Tonight with Peter Jennings, and then as deputy bureau chief in Washington, DC; her independence working as a speaker and author; making one her first speeches at her grandmother Mae’s alma mater, Spelman College, armed with personal advice from Roots author Alex Haley; assuming board positions with the National Archives Foundation, Columbia University, and Radcliffe College; receiving an Emmy and the Gold Baton award; being recognized by the NY Times for On Her Own Ground: The Life and Times of Madam C. J. Walker; her decades long relationship with her significant other; losing her father and both brothers within twelve weeks of each other; changing her impression of the Daughters of the American Revolution after learning of the society’s black members; joining the DAR despite having a complicated sense of patriotism; her expectation for America to move toward a more perfect union; and defining "Real Americans" to include people of African descent. Read A’Lelia's biography at www.daughterdialogues.com/daughters

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Author of the biography that inspired Self Made, the Netflix series about her great-great-grandmother Madam C. J. Walker, an entrepreneur, philanthropist, activist and hair care industry pioneer, A’Lelia Bundles talks about her direct lineal descent from two Revolutionary War patriots through her biological grandmother Fairy Mae Bryant who was adopted by A’Lelia (nee McWilliams) Walker, the only daughter of Sarah Breedlove (Madam C. J. Walker), and became known as Mae Walker. A’Lelia shares stories about how her ancestors, who descended from American Revolution soldier Ishmael Roberts, were pioneers that migrated from North Carolina to Indiana and created free people of color settlements in the early 1800s; and her connection to Revolutionary War patriot Thomas Archer. She discusses her family’s multi-generational use of the name "A'Lelia"; her great grandmother A'Lelia Walker; growing up in a new black suburb of Indianapolis and attending predominantly white schools; her mother (A’Lelia Mae Perry Bundles) attending Howard University and taking the position of vice president of the Madam C. J. Walker Manufacturing Company, continuing the legacy of producing cosmetics and hair care products for black women; her father’s success as the president of Summit Laboratories hair care company; the family’s expectation for her to have her own identity and accomplishments; her experience as a student attending Radcliffe College and graduating from Harvard; losing her mother while studying journalism as a graduate student at Columbia University; the journey to writing about Madam C.J. Walker; experience working as a black woman in the newsroom in the 1970s and highlights from her career at NBC covering the Atlanta child murders and Jesse Jackson, working at ABC on World News Tonight with Peter Jennings, and then as deputy bureau chief in Washington, DC; her independence working as a speaker and author; making one her first speeches at her grandmother Mae’s alma mater, Spelman College, armed with personal advice from Roots author Alex Haley; assuming board positions with the National Archives Foundation, Columbia University, and Radcliffe College; receiving an Emmy and the Gold Baton award; being recognized by the NY Times for On Her Own Ground: The Life and Times of Madam C. J. Walker; her decades long relationship with her significant other; losing her father and both brothers within twelve weeks of each other; changing her impression of the Daughters of the American Revolution after learning of the society’s black members; joining the DAR despite having a complicated sense of patriotism; her expectation for America to move toward a more perfect union; and defining "Real Americans" to include people of African descent. Read A’Lelia's biography at www.daughterdialogues.com/daughters

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Great-great-grandmother Sarah Breedlove, Madam C. J. Walker, first self made female millionaire in U.S., connection to two Revolutionary War patriots through adopted grandmother Fairy Mae Bryant
Fairy Mae Bryant; discovering family treasurers at grandfather's home; Mae studying at Spelman College, first in her family to attend college; mother's paternal family attending college
Very little contact with Mae's biological family; A'Lelia's mother passing shortly after A'Lelia finished college
Learning about Mae's connection to Revolutionary War patriot; ancestors free people of color who migrated from NC and created settlements in IN in early 1800's
Roberts Settlement in IN, seeing one of great grandmother's name's, Samira, and connecting with description on register of free people of color
Revolutionary War service of Thomas Archer and Ishmael Roberts
Ishmael Roberts: Lumbee Indian or African American? DNA vs. family lore vs. historical record
Roberts family migration of free people of color from NC to IN
Importance of people of African descent in America, rejecting the idea of others who imply "real Americans" do not include people of color, proud to say have a stake in America
Family’s multi-generational use of the name "A'Lelia"
Great grandmother A'Lelia Walker
Feelings about adopted vs. biological ancestry
Grandmother Fairy Mae Bryant's continued connection with her own biological family after being adopted
Born in Chicago, raised in a new black suburb of Indianapolis; father's family grew up poor
Father president of Summit Laboratories haircare company, one of first blacks to graduate in Journalism from Indiana Univ., denied editorial jobs
Walker company loss of market share, company model disrupted by introduction of chemical hair straighteners
Mother attended Howard University, vice president of Walker company; mother's family attended Lincoln and Oberlin; family's expectation to have own identity and accomplishments
Impetus for writing about Madam Walker
Discovering love of writing at age of eight; winning national awards for high school newspaper, interviewing Diana Ross in junior high school
Growing up attending predominantly white schools, working on school newspaper, first black vice president of student council- elected same day MLK assassinated
Decision to attend Harvard College; no pressure to live up to Madam Walker's legacy
Attending Radcliffe College, graduating from Harvard, not feeling isolated as a female and a black student, secretary of class
Working at black radio station in Indianapolis, IN and Dupont in Wilmington, DE
Losing mother while studying Journalism as a grad student at Columbia University
Mother advising her to "tell the truth" about Madam C J Walker's- married 3 times and never divorced second husband, politically radical followed by black spy during WWI and labeled dangerous "negro subversive"
Experience working as a black female at NBC in 1970s, beginning in a management training program
Working for NBC in Houston, white men as mentors, covering a Ku Klux Klan rally in MS
Working in Atlanta covering child murders, Jesse Jackson, and Geraldine Ferraro
Working as a producer for a news magazine show, relief from prior "on call" job duties; Working at ABC on World News Tonight with Peter Jennings
Leaving position as ABC deputy bureau chief to work on book, returning as director of talent development, then eventually leaving to work independently as a speaker and author
Netflix series "Self Made" creating more interest in Madam C. J. Walker and speaking opportunities
Board leadership positions with National Archives Foundation, Columbia and Radcliffe
Emmy for NBC Reagan documentary and Gold Baton award for series on women's health
Member of Academy of Arts and Sciences, Phi Beta Kappa
Receiving awards and being recognized by NY Times for On Her Own Ground
Armed with advice from Alex Haley, making one of first speeches at grandmother Mae's alma mater, Spelman College
Decades long relationship with significant other
Losing father and both brothers within 12 weeks of each other
No pressure to have children to carry on family name, other scholars continuing to tell the story of Madam Walker
Interest in joining the Daughters of the American Revolution
First impressions of DAR changing after learning of other black members, joining to make statement that a part of making this nation
Application process made easier by knowing patriot, DAR assisting with papers
Observation of DAR annual national conference
Complicated patriotism, expecting America to move toward a more perfect union
Taking exception with those who state "Real Americans" are white
Recognizing the complicated history of the founding of United States at expense of Native American people
Enjoying telling others that have Revolutionary War patriot ancestors and member of DAR to shock those who would otherwise erase her from history