Daughter Dialogues

Karen Batchelor: First black DAR member. It took a village.

February 18, 2021 Reisha Raney and Karen Batchelor Season 2 Episode 23
Karen Batchelor: First black DAR member. It took a village.
Daughter Dialogues
Chapters
3:16
Inquiring about admission to the DAR by writing local chapters, upon the suggestion of archivist and friend Margaret Ward; not knowing if there were other black members, DAR's negative reputation in black community
5:21
Help from James Dent Walker, African-American, National Archives; inability to attain chapter sponsorship; likely not first genetically black member; first to say "I'm black, eligible, would like to apply"; white members discovering their black patriots
11:47
Learning DAR application process; reaching out to two Detroit DAR chapters, expressing interest in applying and sharing that was black, but never hearing back; requirement to be sponsored by two members but no one inviting to chapter
14:13
Admission in 1977 as first known black member resulting in media coverage, appearing on front cover of NY Times, in over 230 papers nationwide and internationally, Jet and Redbook Magazines
15:33
Ezra Parker chapter in Royal Oak, MI offering to sponsor for membership- also seen as pioneers; President General Baylies reaching out to chapters to ask who would accept member of color
18:10
Setting the scene of race in 1974 DAR with Peggy Anderson's "The Daughters"
22:05
Reflecting on the account from "The Daughters"; misconceptions that will never get through slavery to get to a black person's patriot; not all black ancestry traces back to slavery
26:30
Learning decades later about having been blackballed by chapter vote against admittance
29:49
Pres. General Baylies encouraging chapters "would do a great service to the national society" by accepting; CA chapter contesting admission, not believing a black could be eligible to join DAR; Baylies protecting, putting papers in her desk, closing file
34:32
Receiving a DAR recognition pin from father for his pride in daughter's DAR admission
36:35
Initiating application because "I could" and no reason not to apply, logical conclusion to research as a genealogist finding a patriot, on own, in ten months which had never before been established in DAR
39:48
The Daughters prediction, three years prior to admission, that a black woman would join and there are members who would welcome a black member
40:55
Roots by Alex Haley, published 4 months into research, major incentive to keep going; not being able to find African forebearer; meeting Alex Haley and learning he was a fan
52:55
President General Baylies, in her obituary, being recognized for admitting first black member; smiling at portrait of Baylies in DAR headquarters with each visit, "it took a village to get me there and she was part of that village"
54:54
Reconciling Marian Anderson incident as a black woman growing up in America, recognizing it was not a new phenomenon; joining MLK peace march in Detroit as a family; growing up in a bubble not traveling south, being aware of Jim Crow laws
1:01:21
DAR's amends for Marian Anderson incident and reputation repair; discussing that even Marian Anderson didn't want to be remembered for just the DAR controversy
1:02:51
Feeling DAR as an organization "we have made progress in this lifetime but we still have more progress to make"
1:03:20
Attending first Continental Congress, lonely experience; feeling people staring and whispering since only person of color; remembering flag unfurling from ceiling in Constitution Hall taking breath away; performance by black opera singer Leontyne Price
1:08:09
Mother and aunt Hazel joining and having making Continental Congress their annual sister outing; sister and cousin joining
1:09:45
Feeling sense of pride and being really being American experiencing unfurling of the flag and being a part of both the ceremony and organization
1:11:49
Regretting going inactive as a DAR member for roughly ten years; not finding how DAR was relevant in her life and how was relevant in the society; "as a black woman, I felt I had to leave myself at the door"
1:17:06
Taking leadership roles in DAR as chapter Librarian and Vice Regent; serving as Regent (leader) of the chapter that had blackballed and denied sponsoring, needing to heal from that rejection by transferring into the chapter
1:18:58
Serving as National Vice Chair of Lineage Research for African American Patriots and Research for two administrations
1:20:24
Feeling troubled by state of America; thinking America had moved past all of the racist talk; identifying opportunity for DAR to educate members on a chapter level about diversity to continue moving forward; rejecting the notion racism is "political"
1:27:50
Growing number of black members, no longer the only one; cherishing friendships with other Daughters of color
1:29:50
P.G. Spicer's 1974 remarks that presence of black members will never change DAR's public negative perception; black women creating own organizations while lineage societies weren't accepting them; need for DAR to be more attractive to black members
1:32:48
Being the subject of a Jeopardy television game show final clue
1:34:55
Counting being a mother as one of life's greatest accomplishments; looking forward to grandchildren becoming C.A.R. members
1:36:38
Gaining a greater appreciation of family and resilience of ancestors by continuing research to become a DAR member; "DAR means a sisterhood, a love for history, and being an American"
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Daughter Dialogues
Karen Batchelor: First black DAR member. It took a village.
Feb 18, 2021 Season 2 Episode 23
Reisha Raney and Karen Batchelor

Karen discusses being admitted to the DAR in 1977 as the first known black member by defying resistance within the society; inquiring about admission to the DAR by writing local chapters, upon the suggestion of archivist and friend Margaret Ward; not knowing if there were other black members, reaching out to two Detroit, Michigan chapters, sharing that she was black, but never hearing back; being unable to meet the requirement of attaining the sponsorship of two members since no one would invite her to a chapter; help from James Dent Walker, African-American, head of genealogical services at the National Archives; becoming aware that she was the first known black to apply but would not be the first genetically black member since some white members discovered that their patriots were of color; being the first to say "I am black, I am eligible, I would like to apply”, then President General Baylies reaching out to chapters to ask who would accept her, encouraging that they "would do a great service to the national society"; the Ezra Parker chapter in Royal Oak, Michigan offering to sponsor her; appearing on the front cover of the New York Times, and in over 230 publications in stories about her admission; a California chapter requesting to review her application, not believing a black could be eligible to the join DAR; Mrs. Baylies protecting her by putting the application documents in her desk and closing the file; Mrs. Baylies being recognized, in her obituary, for admitting the first black member; smiling at the portrait of Mrs. Baylies in the DAR headquarters with each visit, "it took a village to get me there and she was part of that village"; learning decades later about having been blackballed by a chapter who voted against sponsoring her, then transferring to that chapter to heal from their rejection and serving as the Regent (leader); Peggy Anderson's 1974 The Daughters account of race in DAR; initiating her application because "I could" and it was a logical conclusion to finding her white Revolutionary War ancestor William Hood, in ten months, a patriot who had never been established with DAR; feeling uncomfortable as the only person of color at her first Continental Congress, her breath being taken away and feeling really American when the flag unfurled from the ceiling in DAR Constitution Hall; being the subject of a Jeopardy television game show final clue; her family joining the DAR; Alex Haley’s Roots, published four months into her research, serving as a major incentive to keep going; later meeting Haley and learning that he was a fan of hers; not being able to find an African forebearer; misconceptions that researchers will never get through slavery to get to a black person's patriot; not all black ancestry traces back to slavery; serving as National Vice Chair of Lineage Research for African American Patriots and Research; Real Daughter Eunice Russ Ames Davis, daughter of African descent Prince Ames, joining the DAR in the 1800's; reconciling the Marian Anderson incident; regretting going inactive for ten years, not finding how DAR was relevant in her life and how she was relevant in the society; "as a black woman, I felt I had to leave myself at the door"; feeling DAR as an organization, "we have made progress but we still have more progress to make"; feeling troubled by the state of racism in America; identifying the opportunity for DAR to educate members about diversity to continue moving forward as a society; rejecting the notion that racism is “political"; the growing number of black members; the need for DAR to be more attractive for black members; "DAR means a sisterhood, a love for history, and being an American".

Read Karen's biography at www.daughterdialogues.com/daughters

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Karen discusses being admitted to the DAR in 1977 as the first known black member by defying resistance within the society; inquiring about admission to the DAR by writing local chapters, upon the suggestion of archivist and friend Margaret Ward; not knowing if there were other black members, reaching out to two Detroit, Michigan chapters, sharing that she was black, but never hearing back; being unable to meet the requirement of attaining the sponsorship of two members since no one would invite her to a chapter; help from James Dent Walker, African-American, head of genealogical services at the National Archives; becoming aware that she was the first known black to apply but would not be the first genetically black member since some white members discovered that their patriots were of color; being the first to say "I am black, I am eligible, I would like to apply”, then President General Baylies reaching out to chapters to ask who would accept her, encouraging that they "would do a great service to the national society"; the Ezra Parker chapter in Royal Oak, Michigan offering to sponsor her; appearing on the front cover of the New York Times, and in over 230 publications in stories about her admission; a California chapter requesting to review her application, not believing a black could be eligible to the join DAR; Mrs. Baylies protecting her by putting the application documents in her desk and closing the file; Mrs. Baylies being recognized, in her obituary, for admitting the first black member; smiling at the portrait of Mrs. Baylies in the DAR headquarters with each visit, "it took a village to get me there and she was part of that village"; learning decades later about having been blackballed by a chapter who voted against sponsoring her, then transferring to that chapter to heal from their rejection and serving as the Regent (leader); Peggy Anderson's 1974 The Daughters account of race in DAR; initiating her application because "I could" and it was a logical conclusion to finding her white Revolutionary War ancestor William Hood, in ten months, a patriot who had never been established with DAR; feeling uncomfortable as the only person of color at her first Continental Congress, her breath being taken away and feeling really American when the flag unfurled from the ceiling in DAR Constitution Hall; being the subject of a Jeopardy television game show final clue; her family joining the DAR; Alex Haley’s Roots, published four months into her research, serving as a major incentive to keep going; later meeting Haley and learning that he was a fan of hers; not being able to find an African forebearer; misconceptions that researchers will never get through slavery to get to a black person's patriot; not all black ancestry traces back to slavery; serving as National Vice Chair of Lineage Research for African American Patriots and Research; Real Daughter Eunice Russ Ames Davis, daughter of African descent Prince Ames, joining the DAR in the 1800's; reconciling the Marian Anderson incident; regretting going inactive for ten years, not finding how DAR was relevant in her life and how she was relevant in the society; "as a black woman, I felt I had to leave myself at the door"; feeling DAR as an organization, "we have made progress but we still have more progress to make"; feeling troubled by the state of racism in America; identifying the opportunity for DAR to educate members about diversity to continue moving forward as a society; rejecting the notion that racism is “political"; the growing number of black members; the need for DAR to be more attractive for black members; "DAR means a sisterhood, a love for history, and being an American".

Read Karen's biography at www.daughterdialogues.com/daughters

Subscribe to the newsletter at www.daughterdialogues.com

Inquiring about admission to the DAR by writing local chapters, upon the suggestion of archivist and friend Margaret Ward; not knowing if there were other black members, DAR's negative reputation in black community
Help from James Dent Walker, African-American, National Archives; inability to attain chapter sponsorship; likely not first genetically black member; first to say "I'm black, eligible, would like to apply"; white members discovering their black patriots
Learning DAR application process; reaching out to two Detroit DAR chapters, expressing interest in applying and sharing that was black, but never hearing back; requirement to be sponsored by two members but no one inviting to chapter
Admission in 1977 as first known black member resulting in media coverage, appearing on front cover of NY Times, in over 230 papers nationwide and internationally, Jet and Redbook Magazines
Ezra Parker chapter in Royal Oak, MI offering to sponsor for membership- also seen as pioneers; President General Baylies reaching out to chapters to ask who would accept member of color
Setting the scene of race in 1974 DAR with Peggy Anderson's "The Daughters"
Reflecting on the account from "The Daughters"; misconceptions that will never get through slavery to get to a black person's patriot; not all black ancestry traces back to slavery
Learning decades later about having been blackballed by chapter vote against admittance
Pres. General Baylies encouraging chapters "would do a great service to the national society" by accepting; CA chapter contesting admission, not believing a black could be eligible to join DAR; Baylies protecting, putting papers in her desk, closing file
Receiving a DAR recognition pin from father for his pride in daughter's DAR admission
Initiating application because "I could" and no reason not to apply, logical conclusion to research as a genealogist finding a patriot, on own, in ten months which had never before been established in DAR
The Daughters prediction, three years prior to admission, that a black woman would join and there are members who would welcome a black member
Roots by Alex Haley, published 4 months into research, major incentive to keep going; not being able to find African forebearer; meeting Alex Haley and learning he was a fan
President General Baylies, in her obituary, being recognized for admitting first black member; smiling at portrait of Baylies in DAR headquarters with each visit, "it took a village to get me there and she was part of that village"
Reconciling Marian Anderson incident as a black woman growing up in America, recognizing it was not a new phenomenon; joining MLK peace march in Detroit as a family; growing up in a bubble not traveling south, being aware of Jim Crow laws
DAR's amends for Marian Anderson incident and reputation repair; discussing that even Marian Anderson didn't want to be remembered for just the DAR controversy
Feeling DAR as an organization "we have made progress in this lifetime but we still have more progress to make"
Attending first Continental Congress, lonely experience; feeling people staring and whispering since only person of color; remembering flag unfurling from ceiling in Constitution Hall taking breath away; performance by black opera singer Leontyne Price
Mother and aunt Hazel joining and having making Continental Congress their annual sister outing; sister and cousin joining
Feeling sense of pride and being really being American experiencing unfurling of the flag and being a part of both the ceremony and organization
Regretting going inactive as a DAR member for roughly ten years; not finding how DAR was relevant in her life and how was relevant in the society; "as a black woman, I felt I had to leave myself at the door"
Taking leadership roles in DAR as chapter Librarian and Vice Regent; serving as Regent (leader) of the chapter that had blackballed and denied sponsoring, needing to heal from that rejection by transferring into the chapter
Serving as National Vice Chair of Lineage Research for African American Patriots and Research for two administrations
Feeling troubled by state of America; thinking America had moved past all of the racist talk; identifying opportunity for DAR to educate members on a chapter level about diversity to continue moving forward; rejecting the notion racism is "political"
Growing number of black members, no longer the only one; cherishing friendships with other Daughters of color
P.G. Spicer's 1974 remarks that presence of black members will never change DAR's public negative perception; black women creating own organizations while lineage societies weren't accepting them; need for DAR to be more attractive to black members
Being the subject of a Jeopardy television game show final clue
Counting being a mother as one of life's greatest accomplishments; looking forward to grandchildren becoming C.A.R. members
Gaining a greater appreciation of family and resilience of ancestors by continuing research to become a DAR member; "DAR means a sisterhood, a love for history, and being an American"