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Pazetta Mallette: Mathematician, Native American History Orator, Best All-Around.

March 04, 2021 Reisha Raney and Pazetta Mallette Season 2 Episode 25
Pazetta Mallette: Mathematician, Native American History Orator, Best All-Around.
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0:30
Growing up in Boyce, LA; parents from Natchitoches, LA; her father selling high value paper shell pecans as a farmer; mother working as a domestic and seamstress; siblings having no high schools within 14 miles in 1930s; parents separating, moving to TX
3:28
Father leasing his farm in LA, originally a plantation; growing up living in caretaker's home with slave cabins, smokehouse, pigeon house, and peach, pear, pecan trees on property; sad to move from plantation (farm) to TX
6:13
Father Choctaw Native American and white; mother black; paternal grandfather moving to OK but difficulty finding work due to Indian features; paternal great grandmother (Choctaw) raising father after paternal grandmother passing away
9:31
Father and his brothers marrying black because unacceptable for a white woman to be married to mixed man; all of father's sisters marrying white, which was acceptable
11:01
Attending four room schoolhouse in LA; youngest of 8; father having her in his early 60's resulting in her getting pampered and spoiled by him
14:42
Father selling cotton, corn, and paper shell pecans which were of high value, doing will financially; mother making clothes out of animal feed sacks which came with a flowered pattern
16:33
Creoles in LA, clannish and not wanting their children to marry any one dark skinned; being the darkest in family; Marshall, TX, population 50% black- Marshall, TX, population 50% black- being bullied because black kids jealous hair to waist
21:56
Deciding to identify as black; keeping Native American heritage a secret; father oral history said related to Sir Isaac Newton
24:29
Father accepted in the Creole community and known as "the old Indian"; living on farm on white side of town and having to cross railroad tracks to get to the black school; community banding together during 1946 flood in LA, worst since before Katrina
26:19
Attending high school in TX; enjoying sewing, drama club, and earning gold medal in TX AAA public speaking contest; wanting to be fashion designer; graduating top 10 in high school and voted best all around girl by faculty
31:57
Attending historically black Wiley College, changing major to mathematics; plan to teach mathematics, wanting to be as good as math teacher had in high school but blacks couldn't attend state colleges and universities
34:55
Being voted most beautiful, Kappa Alpha Psi sweetheart, joining Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, selected as Miss Junior, homecoming queen, and graduating Cum Laude
34:55
Being voted most beautiful, Kappa Alpha Psi sweetheart, joining Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, selected as Miss Junior, homecoming queen, and graduating Cum Laude
36:13
Marrying months after graduating college, husband working on PhD at Penn State; while attending high school, his uncle, a teacher, asking her to write nephew who was going through a break up while in service in Germany, eventually becoming husband
39:23
Husband's Creole family, unhappy he was with a chocolate girl; mother in-law wearing a solid black dress to wedding as if a funeral; eventually moving to Nashville, sister in-law bothered by her being accepted into DAR
43:22
Working as research assistant on Teflon for Dupont at Penn State physics dept using Fitzgerald apparatus; working at TSU teaching remedial math and in computer center until deciding to be stay at home mom after third child
45:52
WWII soldiers, coming on family farm for maneuvers as child, were lonely and a having a soldier at the table every night, wanting to talk influencing her to volunteer with veterans as an adult, helping transfer them to nursing homes
47:13
Daughter born with club feet, placing them in casts, enrolling her in ballet, resulting in her studying at the School of American Ballet and dancing with Dance Theater of Harlem all over the world
48:37
Giving talks about the impact of allergies on students' learning and effect of nutrition on disabilities
50:14
Serving for the White House Conference for Individuals with Disabilities; hunters gathering wild deer, rabbits, squirrel and turkeys for her daughter's dietary needs
51:29
Raising money for JDRF by selling Christmas cards since son had diabetes
51:53
Preventing landfills in community, in Nashville, TN, and establishing a walking trail in its place
54:12
Giving talks on Native American topics, being asked to be on Vanderbilt University's Native American Committee speaking about contributions and culture of Native Americans
56:22
Exercising at Vanderbilt University gym at 84 years old, lifting weights, using bike, doing sit ups, running track with ROTC cadets seeing her as a legend
57:11
Having 10 siblings; writing University of TX to trace oral history; writing sheriff in small town who hand delivered letter to white cousin who in turn helped her research, recommending she join DAR off her papers
59:30
Having time for genealogy after husband passed in 1995; children's pediatrician's wife and DAR member suggesting she join the organization; attending a meeting with her and being encouraged to become a member
59:34
Having time for genealogy after husband passed in 1995; children's pediatrician's wife and DAR member suggesting she join the organization; attending a meeting with her and being encouraged to become a member
1:01:55
Being willing to give DAR a try despite her husband being worried about the society's history of racism; attending first state conference alone in Chattanooga, TN, members surprised a black walked in; serving as regent of chapter for 6 years
1:03:50
A couple of members transferring out of chapter because did not like having a black member but the rest embracing her and inviting her daughter to join and page
1:05:35
Father's oral history about Sir Isaac Newton, ancestry through his uncle John Newton; 4th great grandmother, president James Monroe's 2nd cousin
1:06:48
Developing interest in genealogy because didn't know father's people since they lived in CA and MN; white family in TX
1:07:36
Family having artistic, mechanically inclined, and scientific traits; son earning degrees in electrical engineering and philosophy and attending Duke law school; two nephews becoming pilots
1:08:15
Maternal ancestors enslaved on George Washington's plantation; slaves going to OK once freed, where grandfather was born; marrying grandmother from Natchez, MS, wanting to learn more about grandmother but leaving it alone since have to be careful in MS
1:09:27
Sense of pride discovering Revolutionary War patriot; response to those who suggest we go back to Africa, "my lineage was here before you arrived and we fought for the freedom of this country"
1:10:17
Revolutionary War patriot William Berryman being in the militia keeping citizens safe in West Moreland County VA; father having the Berryman surname
1:11:06
Despite hearing so many negative things about DAR and Marian Anderson, joining since ancestor served then deserved to be a member, wanting to be a part of what was entitled to
1:11:51
William Berryman coming to the US from England in 1650
1:12:44
Great grandfather Captain Henry Newton Berryman graduating from west Point in 1817 giving a great sense of pride in identity
1:18:31
Capt. Henry raising Milly with Helena, then had an affair with Milly and they had a child; an Indian Chief traded Milly for a horse, not a slave trade
1:19:44
Many's wife Ratty's letter to Helena expressing their warm relationship with her, the wife of Capt. Henry, despite Manny being the son of Milly with whom Capt. Henry had an affair
1:20:43
Ratty being part Cherokee and PA Dutch
1:21:25
Family oral history not written down; being last one in the family
1:22:09
Father's twin sister dying when he was 8 years old; father saying to maintain the race, marry someone darker skinned so the descendants can have an identity and be accepted by black race, whites will not accept regardless of skin tone
1:23:13
Feelings about Milly being an affair
1:23:28
Serving as hostess of DAR President General reception room and in the Public Relations office at Continental Congress
1:26:03
Being a member of DAR and now willing to admit Native American; conducting programs for DAR hoping to help inform about American Indian history that is not in the history books
1:27:15
Serving as hostess of DAR President General reception room and in the Public Relations office at Continental Congress
1:30:34
Seeing how the organization is today with more blacks and members being used to seeing blacks; "black, white and Native American, we are all a part of this and we have to work together if we want to make a difference"
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Pazetta Mallette: Mathematician, Native American History Orator, Best All-Around.
Mar 04, 2021 Season 2 Episode 25
Reisha Raney and Pazetta Mallette

Pazetta shares oral history about growing up in Boyce, Louisiana on a former plantation, living in the caretaker’s home with slave cabins on the property; her Choctaw Indian great grandmother Milly being traded by an Indian chief, possibly her father, for a horse as a child; her great grandfather, Revolutionary War patriot descendant Captain Henry Newton Berryman, and his first wife, Helena, a white woman, raising Milly then, him having an affair with her, resulting in a child, Many, neither being slaves; her grandfather Many's warm relationship with Helena; Capt. Henry also having children with an enslaved woman, graduating from West Point in 1817, protecting a black boy from being lynched, giving his enslaved blacks his Natchitoches, Louisiana plantation; Helena protecting slaves; her Choctaw Indian and white father and black mother both from Natchitoches; her father and his brothers marrying black since it was unacceptable for a white woman to marry a mixed race man but his sisters marrying white; her father selling high value paper shell pecans as a farmer; WWII soldiers on family farm for maneuvers, having a lonely soldier at the table every night wanting to talk; attending a four room schoolhouse; being the darkest in family; her father accepted in Creole community as "the old Indian"; being bullied in Marshall, Texas because black kids were jealous she had hair to her waist; relation to Sir Isaac Newton; earning a gold medal in the Texas AAA division public speaking contest and graduating in the top ten in high school, voted Best All-Around Girl by faculty; attending Wiley College, majoring in mathematics, voted Most Beautiful, a Kappa Alpha Psi Sweetheart, joining Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, selected as Miss Junior, Homecoming Queen, graduating Cum Laude; her Creole mother in-law wearing a black dress to wedding in mourning because her son was with a chocolate girl; sister in-law being bothered by her being accepted into the DAR; deciding to identify as black; keeping her Native American heritage a secret; working as a research assistant at Penn State Physics Dept; working at Tennessee State University teaching math and in the Computer Center; her daughter born with club feet, placing them in casts, enrolling her in ballet, resulting in her studying at the School of American Ballet and dancing with Dance Theater of Harlem all over the world; giving talks about the effect of nutrition on disabilities; hunters gathering wild deer, rabbits, squirrel and turkeys for her daughter's dietary needs; giving talks about the contributions and culture of Native Americans; lifting weights five times a week; her maternal ancestors enslaved on George Washington's plantation; feeling a sense of pride discovering her Revolutionary War patriot William Berryman serving in Virginia; for those who suggest we go back to Africa "my lineage was here before you arrived and we fought for the freedom of this country"; father saying to maintain the race, marry someone darker skinned so the descendants can have an identity and be accepted by blacks; tracing oral history by writing a sheriff in Texas who delivered her letter to a white cousin who in turn recommended she join the DAR, then her children's pediatrician's wife, also a DAR member, suggesting she join; giving DAR a try despite the society's history of racism, joining to be a part of what she was entitled to; serving as chapter regent in Nashville, Tennessee, a couple of members transferring out because she was black but the rest embracing her; seeing more blacks in the society and members used to seeing them; "Blacks, Whites and Native Americans, we are all a part of this and we have to work together if we want to make a difference".

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Pazetta shares oral history about growing up in Boyce, Louisiana on a former plantation, living in the caretaker’s home with slave cabins on the property; her Choctaw Indian great grandmother Milly being traded by an Indian chief, possibly her father, for a horse as a child; her great grandfather, Revolutionary War patriot descendant Captain Henry Newton Berryman, and his first wife, Helena, a white woman, raising Milly then, him having an affair with her, resulting in a child, Many, neither being slaves; her grandfather Many's warm relationship with Helena; Capt. Henry also having children with an enslaved woman, graduating from West Point in 1817, protecting a black boy from being lynched, giving his enslaved blacks his Natchitoches, Louisiana plantation; Helena protecting slaves; her Choctaw Indian and white father and black mother both from Natchitoches; her father and his brothers marrying black since it was unacceptable for a white woman to marry a mixed race man but his sisters marrying white; her father selling high value paper shell pecans as a farmer; WWII soldiers on family farm for maneuvers, having a lonely soldier at the table every night wanting to talk; attending a four room schoolhouse; being the darkest in family; her father accepted in Creole community as "the old Indian"; being bullied in Marshall, Texas because black kids were jealous she had hair to her waist; relation to Sir Isaac Newton; earning a gold medal in the Texas AAA division public speaking contest and graduating in the top ten in high school, voted Best All-Around Girl by faculty; attending Wiley College, majoring in mathematics, voted Most Beautiful, a Kappa Alpha Psi Sweetheart, joining Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, selected as Miss Junior, Homecoming Queen, graduating Cum Laude; her Creole mother in-law wearing a black dress to wedding in mourning because her son was with a chocolate girl; sister in-law being bothered by her being accepted into the DAR; deciding to identify as black; keeping her Native American heritage a secret; working as a research assistant at Penn State Physics Dept; working at Tennessee State University teaching math and in the Computer Center; her daughter born with club feet, placing them in casts, enrolling her in ballet, resulting in her studying at the School of American Ballet and dancing with Dance Theater of Harlem all over the world; giving talks about the effect of nutrition on disabilities; hunters gathering wild deer, rabbits, squirrel and turkeys for her daughter's dietary needs; giving talks about the contributions and culture of Native Americans; lifting weights five times a week; her maternal ancestors enslaved on George Washington's plantation; feeling a sense of pride discovering her Revolutionary War patriot William Berryman serving in Virginia; for those who suggest we go back to Africa "my lineage was here before you arrived and we fought for the freedom of this country"; father saying to maintain the race, marry someone darker skinned so the descendants can have an identity and be accepted by blacks; tracing oral history by writing a sheriff in Texas who delivered her letter to a white cousin who in turn recommended she join the DAR, then her children's pediatrician's wife, also a DAR member, suggesting she join; giving DAR a try despite the society's history of racism, joining to be a part of what she was entitled to; serving as chapter regent in Nashville, Tennessee, a couple of members transferring out because she was black but the rest embracing her; seeing more blacks in the society and members used to seeing them; "Blacks, Whites and Native Americans, we are all a part of this and we have to work together if we want to make a difference".

Read Pazetta's biography at www.daughterdialogues.com/daughters

Subscribe to the newsletter at www.daughterdialogues.com

Growing up in Boyce, LA; parents from Natchitoches, LA; her father selling high value paper shell pecans as a farmer; mother working as a domestic and seamstress; siblings having no high schools within 14 miles in 1930s; parents separating, moving to TX
Father leasing his farm in LA, originally a plantation; growing up living in caretaker's home with slave cabins, smokehouse, pigeon house, and peach, pear, pecan trees on property; sad to move from plantation (farm) to TX
Father Choctaw Native American and white; mother black; paternal grandfather moving to OK but difficulty finding work due to Indian features; paternal great grandmother (Choctaw) raising father after paternal grandmother passing away
Father and his brothers marrying black because unacceptable for a white woman to be married to mixed man; all of father's sisters marrying white, which was acceptable
Attending four room schoolhouse in LA; youngest of 8; father having her in his early 60's resulting in her getting pampered and spoiled by him
Father selling cotton, corn, and paper shell pecans which were of high value, doing will financially; mother making clothes out of animal feed sacks which came with a flowered pattern
Creoles in LA, clannish and not wanting their children to marry any one dark skinned; being the darkest in family; Marshall, TX, population 50% black- Marshall, TX, population 50% black- being bullied because black kids jealous hair to waist
Deciding to identify as black; keeping Native American heritage a secret; father oral history said related to Sir Isaac Newton
Father accepted in the Creole community and known as "the old Indian"; living on farm on white side of town and having to cross railroad tracks to get to the black school; community banding together during 1946 flood in LA, worst since before Katrina
Attending high school in TX; enjoying sewing, drama club, and earning gold medal in TX AAA public speaking contest; wanting to be fashion designer; graduating top 10 in high school and voted best all around girl by faculty
Attending historically black Wiley College, changing major to mathematics; plan to teach mathematics, wanting to be as good as math teacher had in high school but blacks couldn't attend state colleges and universities
Being voted most beautiful, Kappa Alpha Psi sweetheart, joining Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, selected as Miss Junior, homecoming queen, and graduating Cum Laude
Being voted most beautiful, Kappa Alpha Psi sweetheart, joining Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, selected as Miss Junior, homecoming queen, and graduating Cum Laude
Marrying months after graduating college, husband working on PhD at Penn State; while attending high school, his uncle, a teacher, asking her to write nephew who was going through a break up while in service in Germany, eventually becoming husband
Husband's Creole family, unhappy he was with a chocolate girl; mother in-law wearing a solid black dress to wedding as if a funeral; eventually moving to Nashville, sister in-law bothered by her being accepted into DAR
Working as research assistant on Teflon for Dupont at Penn State physics dept using Fitzgerald apparatus; working at TSU teaching remedial math and in computer center until deciding to be stay at home mom after third child
WWII soldiers, coming on family farm for maneuvers as child, were lonely and a having a soldier at the table every night, wanting to talk influencing her to volunteer with veterans as an adult, helping transfer them to nursing homes
Daughter born with club feet, placing them in casts, enrolling her in ballet, resulting in her studying at the School of American Ballet and dancing with Dance Theater of Harlem all over the world
Giving talks about the impact of allergies on students' learning and effect of nutrition on disabilities
Serving for the White House Conference for Individuals with Disabilities; hunters gathering wild deer, rabbits, squirrel and turkeys for her daughter's dietary needs
Raising money for JDRF by selling Christmas cards since son had diabetes
Preventing landfills in community, in Nashville, TN, and establishing a walking trail in its place
Giving talks on Native American topics, being asked to be on Vanderbilt University's Native American Committee speaking about contributions and culture of Native Americans
Exercising at Vanderbilt University gym at 84 years old, lifting weights, using bike, doing sit ups, running track with ROTC cadets seeing her as a legend
Having 10 siblings; writing University of TX to trace oral history; writing sheriff in small town who hand delivered letter to white cousin who in turn helped her research, recommending she join DAR off her papers
Having time for genealogy after husband passed in 1995; children's pediatrician's wife and DAR member suggesting she join the organization; attending a meeting with her and being encouraged to become a member
Having time for genealogy after husband passed in 1995; children's pediatrician's wife and DAR member suggesting she join the organization; attending a meeting with her and being encouraged to become a member
Being willing to give DAR a try despite her husband being worried about the society's history of racism; attending first state conference alone in Chattanooga, TN, members surprised a black walked in; serving as regent of chapter for 6 years
A couple of members transferring out of chapter because did not like having a black member but the rest embracing her and inviting her daughter to join and page
Father's oral history about Sir Isaac Newton, ancestry through his uncle John Newton; 4th great grandmother, president James Monroe's 2nd cousin
Developing interest in genealogy because didn't know father's people since they lived in CA and MN; white family in TX
Family having artistic, mechanically inclined, and scientific traits; son earning degrees in electrical engineering and philosophy and attending Duke law school; two nephews becoming pilots
Maternal ancestors enslaved on George Washington's plantation; slaves going to OK once freed, where grandfather was born; marrying grandmother from Natchez, MS, wanting to learn more about grandmother but leaving it alone since have to be careful in MS
Sense of pride discovering Revolutionary War patriot; response to those who suggest we go back to Africa, "my lineage was here before you arrived and we fought for the freedom of this country"
Revolutionary War patriot William Berryman being in the militia keeping citizens safe in West Moreland County VA; father having the Berryman surname
Despite hearing so many negative things about DAR and Marian Anderson, joining since ancestor served then deserved to be a member, wanting to be a part of what was entitled to
William Berryman coming to the US from England in 1650
Great grandfather Captain Henry Newton Berryman graduating from west Point in 1817 giving a great sense of pride in identity
Capt. Henry raising Milly with Helena, then had an affair with Milly and they had a child; an Indian Chief traded Milly for a horse, not a slave trade
Many's wife Ratty's letter to Helena expressing their warm relationship with her, the wife of Capt. Henry, despite Manny being the son of Milly with whom Capt. Henry had an affair
Ratty being part Cherokee and PA Dutch
Family oral history not written down; being last one in the family
Father's twin sister dying when he was 8 years old; father saying to maintain the race, marry someone darker skinned so the descendants can have an identity and be accepted by black race, whites will not accept regardless of skin tone
Feelings about Milly being an affair
Serving as hostess of DAR President General reception room and in the Public Relations office at Continental Congress
Being a member of DAR and now willing to admit Native American; conducting programs for DAR hoping to help inform about American Indian history that is not in the history books
Serving as hostess of DAR President General reception room and in the Public Relations office at Continental Congress
Seeing how the organization is today with more blacks and members being used to seeing blacks; "black, white and Native American, we are all a part of this and we have to work together if we want to make a difference"