Daughter Dialogues

Nicka Smith: Ancestry consultant, Cherokee slave owner’s descendant, Nation citizen.

March 11, 2021 Reisha Raney and Nicka Sewell-Smith Season 2 Episode 26
Nicka Smith: Ancestry consultant, Cherokee slave owner’s descendant, Nation citizen.
Daughter Dialogues
Chapters
0:26
Growing up in Los Angeles County, Moreno Valley; parents from Chicago; mother food scientist identifying contaminants such as botulism, e. coli, listeria; father working for Wonder Bread
2:31
Father audiophile and DJ; "hired" as a child to clean his record collections; sister director of dance program; seeds laid for family to be in the arts
4:11
Youngest in blended family with 22 years separting her from her oldest sibling; parents married 30 years before father passed; father always having a pool and former lifeguard teaching her to swim, having lots of animals; mom staying connected with family
7:21
Participating in cheerleading, dance, honor society, and yearbook and newspaper clubs in school
8:19
Writing and receiving instruction in yearbook club helping her consider herself a writer and decide to major in journalism
10:22
Attending Menlo College in the San Francisco Bay area, culture shock from growing up in multiracial middle class neighborhood to moving to college with millionaire homes and affluent classmates; one of few blacks on an academic scholarship
13:05
University of Southern California first choice, choosing Menlo to go on scholarship to be in less debt than going to state school; having part-time job and a radio show, and participating in cheerleading, newspaper, talent shows, joining Alpha Kappa Alpha
15:45
Father dying month before graduating college; choosing a college close to home in case something happened to parents; tough job market with 9/11; working at Kaiser verifying doctors' credentials, like medical genealogy
20:29
Father on dialysis and passing from its strain on his heart; parents empty nesters caring for foster children; man who tried to save dad's life leaving his phone on top father's car and discovering it still on roof after driving the vehicle home
23:53
Recovering from dad's passing by researching his family through his first cousins; recovering from father's passing by nurturing what they both loved through photography and sharing albums with son
26:23
Interest in genealogy beginning as a kid under table listening to family conversations; small paternal family in contrast with connections on mother's side; seeing family tree as a child then expanding it to 50 feet, impressing cousin who began it
28:54
Leveraging family research skills, producing family websites and publications, to prove journalism capabilities, landing a health policy communications position; starting photography business on side while consulting for job after leaving
32:07
Consulting for Ancestry, producing Black ProGen Live genealogy web series and a podcast, writing, doing reveals for celebrities, appearing on "Who Do You Think You Are?", consulting for TV pitches and individuals hitting brick walls
34:43
Interest in sewing; gardening, growing crops of ancestors- learning from father-in law's experience as a farmer
35:56
Maternal ancestors in Civil Rights; paternal side ancestor in U.S. Colored Troops, U.S. Deputy Marshall, captured outlaw, shot in Indian territory and ancestors enslaved by founder of Amherst college, Harvard grad, father of Ole Miss, and Cherokees
39:22
Descending from Cherokee Old Settler Chief John Rogers Jr. and her 4th great grandmother Annie May, of African descent who was enslaved by another Cherokee
40:31
Great-great-grandfather, Isaac Rogers, marrying Sarah Vann, a Cherokee not enslaved; John Rogers Jr., Cherokee, raping Annie May, of African descent, their daughter Martha becoming a teacher; Isaac Rogers working for hanging judge, capturing Cherokee Bill
45:27
Slavery as a national system and not simply a two party arrangement between a slave owner and enslaved; President Andrew Jackson's niece buying a share of enslaved ancestor, King Atlas, and Jackson forcing Cherokee ancestors out of their land
49:16
3rd great grandfather, King Atlas, allowed to keep profits from hiring self out while enslaved by progressive slaveowner in Jackson's family against secession and poor treatment of foreigners
50:45
Contrast with 5th great grandparents Sago's & Fatima's slaveholder and Harvard grad, Israel Trask, profiting and living off loan interest of enslavement living in MA with daughter marrying into abolitionist family
53:05
Revolutionary War patriot Richard Field, European from VA, marrying Susanna Emory, Cherokee; pursuing DAR since applying for Cherokee Nation citizenship, same documentation; Uncle Ben, Cherokee brother of Sarah Vann, leading to patriot on Trail of Tears
59:25
Uncle Ben pushed out of Cherokee Nation rights although grandfather was by blood, put on Freedman roll not listing blood quantum; her promise to self to get Cherokee citizenship because ancestor fought for it, choosing that line to join DAR
1:01:57
Becoming member of DAR because could, adding credibility to research; and where blacks did have ability to join and show we had a tie back to the people who laid groundwork for the country, ancestry more than slavery
1:03:28
Learning of Revolutionary War service bringing full circle because patriot's son was being forcibly removed on Trail of Tears although his father secured ability for us to be in the U.S.
1:05:20
Navigating racism in America, someone has to lay the groundwork and stand proxy for those who will come after; "existence in country is a paradox so have to navigate the space in the same way"
1:07:54
Black and East Indian friends helping with application and encouraging to apply, their assistance helping in acclimating to life in DAR
1:08:56
Connecting with black DAR members through genealogy community
1:09:38
Family excitement about admittance to DAR, knowing she could do it
1:10:05
Living in TN because of husband's family and her Cherokee Nation connections to the state
1:10:42
Joining a TN DAR chapter, applying during national upheaval regarding racial injustice, "what is more patriotic in America...we define every contradiction and promise this country has made"; joining on behalf of ancestors who couldn't stake claim
1:12:49
Familiar with chapter members prior to joining from making presentations at Family History Library; chapter having members with an ancestor who served as Deputy Marshall with Isaac Rogers; emotional during New Member Welcome Ceremony
1:14:20
Supported by white members, in front row when making genealogy presentations locally; being only person of color in chapter; service awards to people of color in community from chapter feeling like they were preparing for day she would get there
1:15:08
Being well received, in combination with friendships formed with Daughter of colors who assisted with application, making membership an amazing experience
1:16:36
My own history is important and fabric of what makes nation what it is ...it is varied, complicated, painful, beautiful but it is me and it is us, that's our strength
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Daughter Dialogues
Nicka Smith: Ancestry consultant, Cherokee slave owner’s descendant, Nation citizen.
Mar 11, 2021 Season 2 Episode 26
Reisha Raney and Nicka Sewell-Smith

Nicka Sewell-Smith discusses attaining her Cherokee Nation citizenship; being a descendant of Cherokee Old Settler Chief John Rogers Jr., who by force, reproduced with her 4th great grandmother Annie May, of African descent and enslaved by another Cherokee, resulting in their daughter Martha May who became a teacher; Martha’s son, Isaac Rogers, enlisting in the 1st Kansas U.S. Colored Troops, working for a "hanging judge" in Arkansas, capturing outlaw Cherokee Bill who was later hung, then, Bill's brother shooting and killing Isaac on a train platform in Indian Territory in 1897; paternal ancestors enslaved by a founder of Amherst College and the father of Ole Miss; President Andrew Jackson's niece buying a share of her enslaved 3rd great grandfather, King Atlas, who was owned by a lawyer in Jackson's family, Atlas being allowed to keep in profits from hiring himself out while enslaved by his progressive slave owner who was against secession and poor treatment; contrasting with 5th great grandparents Sago's and Fatima's slaveholder and Harvard graduate, Israel Trask, profiting and living off loan interest from their enslavement while living in Massachusetts and his daughter marrying into an abolitionist family; and Revolutionary War patriot Richard Field, a European from Virginia, marrying Susanna Emory, a Cherokee; growing up in Southern California; audiophile father teaching her to swim and having lots of animals; participating in cheerleading, dance, honor society, in high school with yearbook and newspaper clubs helping her decide to major in journalism; attending Menlo College in the San Francisco Bay area with affluent classmates, being one of few blacks on an academic scholarship, having a radio show, and participating in cheerleading, newspaper, talent shows and joining Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc; father passing a month before graduating college; her job verifying doctors' credentials, like medical genealogy; recovering from dad's passing by researching his family; seeing family tree as a child then expanding it to 50 feet; leveraging family research skills to land a health policy communications position; consulting for Ancestry, producing Black ProGen LIVE genealogy web series and a podcast, writing, doing reveals for individuals and celebrities, appearing on TV's "Who Do You Think You Are?", consulting for TV pitches and individuals hitting brick walls; interest in sewing and gardening, growing crops of ancestors; maternal family including Freedom Riders and an ancestor who testified for U.S. Civil Rights Commission; Isaac Rogers, marrying Sarah Vann, a Cherokee and not enslaved; slavery as a national system; pursuing DAR since she was also applying for Cherokee Nation citizenship, both requiring the same documentation; Uncle Ben, Cherokee brother of Sarah Vann, listing family and leading to patriot on his application for Trail of Tears compensation; Uncle Ben denied rights in Cherokee Nation being on Freedman roll not listing blood quantum although his grandfather was by blood; choosing Cherokee line to join DAR; joining to add credibility to research, show black ancestry is more than slavery, and on behalf of ancestors who couldn't stake their claim; standing proxy for those who will come after her into DAR; black and East Indian friends helping with her application; joining a Tennessee DAR chapter having members with an ancestor who served as Deputy Marshall with Isaac Rogers; chapter service awards to people of color in community feeling like they were preparing for day she would get there ; “My own history is important and the fabric of what makes nation what it is ...it is varied, complicated, painful, beautiful but it is me and it is us, that's our strength.”

Read Nicka's biography at www.daughterdialogues.com/daughters

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Nicka Sewell-Smith discusses attaining her Cherokee Nation citizenship; being a descendant of Cherokee Old Settler Chief John Rogers Jr., who by force, reproduced with her 4th great grandmother Annie May, of African descent and enslaved by another Cherokee, resulting in their daughter Martha May who became a teacher; Martha’s son, Isaac Rogers, enlisting in the 1st Kansas U.S. Colored Troops, working for a "hanging judge" in Arkansas, capturing outlaw Cherokee Bill who was later hung, then, Bill's brother shooting and killing Isaac on a train platform in Indian Territory in 1897; paternal ancestors enslaved by a founder of Amherst College and the father of Ole Miss; President Andrew Jackson's niece buying a share of her enslaved 3rd great grandfather, King Atlas, who was owned by a lawyer in Jackson's family, Atlas being allowed to keep in profits from hiring himself out while enslaved by his progressive slave owner who was against secession and poor treatment; contrasting with 5th great grandparents Sago's and Fatima's slaveholder and Harvard graduate, Israel Trask, profiting and living off loan interest from their enslavement while living in Massachusetts and his daughter marrying into an abolitionist family; and Revolutionary War patriot Richard Field, a European from Virginia, marrying Susanna Emory, a Cherokee; growing up in Southern California; audiophile father teaching her to swim and having lots of animals; participating in cheerleading, dance, honor society, in high school with yearbook and newspaper clubs helping her decide to major in journalism; attending Menlo College in the San Francisco Bay area with affluent classmates, being one of few blacks on an academic scholarship, having a radio show, and participating in cheerleading, newspaper, talent shows and joining Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc; father passing a month before graduating college; her job verifying doctors' credentials, like medical genealogy; recovering from dad's passing by researching his family; seeing family tree as a child then expanding it to 50 feet; leveraging family research skills to land a health policy communications position; consulting for Ancestry, producing Black ProGen LIVE genealogy web series and a podcast, writing, doing reveals for individuals and celebrities, appearing on TV's "Who Do You Think You Are?", consulting for TV pitches and individuals hitting brick walls; interest in sewing and gardening, growing crops of ancestors; maternal family including Freedom Riders and an ancestor who testified for U.S. Civil Rights Commission; Isaac Rogers, marrying Sarah Vann, a Cherokee and not enslaved; slavery as a national system; pursuing DAR since she was also applying for Cherokee Nation citizenship, both requiring the same documentation; Uncle Ben, Cherokee brother of Sarah Vann, listing family and leading to patriot on his application for Trail of Tears compensation; Uncle Ben denied rights in Cherokee Nation being on Freedman roll not listing blood quantum although his grandfather was by blood; choosing Cherokee line to join DAR; joining to add credibility to research, show black ancestry is more than slavery, and on behalf of ancestors who couldn't stake their claim; standing proxy for those who will come after her into DAR; black and East Indian friends helping with her application; joining a Tennessee DAR chapter having members with an ancestor who served as Deputy Marshall with Isaac Rogers; chapter service awards to people of color in community feeling like they were preparing for day she would get there ; “My own history is important and the fabric of what makes nation what it is ...it is varied, complicated, painful, beautiful but it is me and it is us, that's our strength.”

Read Nicka's biography at www.daughterdialogues.com/daughters

Subscribe to the newsletter at www.daughterdialogues.com

Growing up in Los Angeles County, Moreno Valley; parents from Chicago; mother food scientist identifying contaminants such as botulism, e. coli, listeria; father working for Wonder Bread
Father audiophile and DJ; "hired" as a child to clean his record collections; sister director of dance program; seeds laid for family to be in the arts
Youngest in blended family with 22 years separting her from her oldest sibling; parents married 30 years before father passed; father always having a pool and former lifeguard teaching her to swim, having lots of animals; mom staying connected with family
Participating in cheerleading, dance, honor society, and yearbook and newspaper clubs in school
Writing and receiving instruction in yearbook club helping her consider herself a writer and decide to major in journalism
Attending Menlo College in the San Francisco Bay area, culture shock from growing up in multiracial middle class neighborhood to moving to college with millionaire homes and affluent classmates; one of few blacks on an academic scholarship
University of Southern California first choice, choosing Menlo to go on scholarship to be in less debt than going to state school; having part-time job and a radio show, and participating in cheerleading, newspaper, talent shows, joining Alpha Kappa Alpha
Father dying month before graduating college; choosing a college close to home in case something happened to parents; tough job market with 9/11; working at Kaiser verifying doctors' credentials, like medical genealogy
Father on dialysis and passing from its strain on his heart; parents empty nesters caring for foster children; man who tried to save dad's life leaving his phone on top father's car and discovering it still on roof after driving the vehicle home
Recovering from dad's passing by researching his family through his first cousins; recovering from father's passing by nurturing what they both loved through photography and sharing albums with son
Interest in genealogy beginning as a kid under table listening to family conversations; small paternal family in contrast with connections on mother's side; seeing family tree as a child then expanding it to 50 feet, impressing cousin who began it
Leveraging family research skills, producing family websites and publications, to prove journalism capabilities, landing a health policy communications position; starting photography business on side while consulting for job after leaving
Consulting for Ancestry, producing Black ProGen Live genealogy web series and a podcast, writing, doing reveals for celebrities, appearing on "Who Do You Think You Are?", consulting for TV pitches and individuals hitting brick walls
Interest in sewing; gardening, growing crops of ancestors- learning from father-in law's experience as a farmer
Maternal ancestors in Civil Rights; paternal side ancestor in U.S. Colored Troops, U.S. Deputy Marshall, captured outlaw, shot in Indian territory and ancestors enslaved by founder of Amherst college, Harvard grad, father of Ole Miss, and Cherokees
Descending from Cherokee Old Settler Chief John Rogers Jr. and her 4th great grandmother Annie May, of African descent who was enslaved by another Cherokee
Great-great-grandfather, Isaac Rogers, marrying Sarah Vann, a Cherokee not enslaved; John Rogers Jr., Cherokee, raping Annie May, of African descent, their daughter Martha becoming a teacher; Isaac Rogers working for hanging judge, capturing Cherokee Bill
Slavery as a national system and not simply a two party arrangement between a slave owner and enslaved; President Andrew Jackson's niece buying a share of enslaved ancestor, King Atlas, and Jackson forcing Cherokee ancestors out of their land
3rd great grandfather, King Atlas, allowed to keep profits from hiring self out while enslaved by progressive slaveowner in Jackson's family against secession and poor treatment of foreigners
Contrast with 5th great grandparents Sago's & Fatima's slaveholder and Harvard grad, Israel Trask, profiting and living off loan interest of enslavement living in MA with daughter marrying into abolitionist family
Revolutionary War patriot Richard Field, European from VA, marrying Susanna Emory, Cherokee; pursuing DAR since applying for Cherokee Nation citizenship, same documentation; Uncle Ben, Cherokee brother of Sarah Vann, leading to patriot on Trail of Tears
Uncle Ben pushed out of Cherokee Nation rights although grandfather was by blood, put on Freedman roll not listing blood quantum; her promise to self to get Cherokee citizenship because ancestor fought for it, choosing that line to join DAR
Becoming member of DAR because could, adding credibility to research; and where blacks did have ability to join and show we had a tie back to the people who laid groundwork for the country, ancestry more than slavery
Learning of Revolutionary War service bringing full circle because patriot's son was being forcibly removed on Trail of Tears although his father secured ability for us to be in the U.S.
Navigating racism in America, someone has to lay the groundwork and stand proxy for those who will come after; "existence in country is a paradox so have to navigate the space in the same way"
Black and East Indian friends helping with application and encouraging to apply, their assistance helping in acclimating to life in DAR
Connecting with black DAR members through genealogy community
Family excitement about admittance to DAR, knowing she could do it
Living in TN because of husband's family and her Cherokee Nation connections to the state
Joining a TN DAR chapter, applying during national upheaval regarding racial injustice, "what is more patriotic in America...we define every contradiction and promise this country has made"; joining on behalf of ancestors who couldn't stake claim
Familiar with chapter members prior to joining from making presentations at Family History Library; chapter having members with an ancestor who served as Deputy Marshall with Isaac Rogers; emotional during New Member Welcome Ceremony
Supported by white members, in front row when making genealogy presentations locally; being only person of color in chapter; service awards to people of color in community from chapter feeling like they were preparing for day she would get there
Being well received, in combination with friendships formed with Daughter of colors who assisted with application, making membership an amazing experience
My own history is important and fabric of what makes nation what it is ...it is varied, complicated, painful, beautiful but it is me and it is us, that's our strength