Good Trouble

Recorded on 9/11/2020 a day of remembrance and Billy Moore's birthday.  Billy Moore interviews retired El Cajon Chief of Police Jeff Davis. 

They discuss their friendship built on mutual respect. The also outline what needs to be done so that the community and the police can work together to make a better society.

Respect and humility are the keys to moving the conversation forward and reforming law enforcement and the community. 

Transcript

Billy Moore: 0:23

Good afternoon and welcome to in the ring with Billy Moore. And as we always talked about everybody put you put their gloves on and get ready because they know that getting in the ring every day everything and anything goes. So good afternoon, I was a very, very, very dear friend of mine. I still call him chief chief Jeff Davis, who's retired from the as the alcohol police chief, but I'd like to take a few minutes and let him introduce himself to our audience. Well, thank you, Billy, and hello to everybody out there listening. And well, you know, thank you for the introduction, Billy. My name is Jeff Davis, I retired from the Oakland Police Department. As a matter of fact, it'll be one year tomorrow.

Jeff Davis: 1:18

I served 33 years with that department, grew up in that area, spent my whole life out there. So in essence, I joined the department that police might my neighborhoods, my area. I think that's important. Although I understand that it's not always feasible to do that. I enjoyed my career I enjoyed the aspect of meeting some truly phenomenal people is in my 33 years. One of my my beliefs, from my first day on the job till the day I retired, was if I made a difference, a positive difference in even one person's life, it was worth it. And I still feel that way, regardless of what you do. In any endeavor, whether it's work or your personal life. If if you can make a difference in a person's life positively. That is a blessing. And I think that's why we're here.

Dwayne E. Shigg: 2:28

Any Body Can Youth Foundation teaches our you step off into life with their best foot forward without cowardice, but with courage and dignity. ABC was founded by legendary Light Heavyweight Champion Archie Moore in 1957. He had a heart and passion for helping the youth. He believed if we went into the business of prevention, we could save billions of dollars and millions of lives. He started ABC to teach us the basic ABCs of life. Are you concerned about the world today? Do you want to help train our youth to be the change needed in the world? Join us in the fight for equality in the fight for justice in the fight for our youth. If you would like to help, go to www dot HBCU foundation.org. That's www. ABC News. foundation.org. Be well and be blessed.

Jeff Davis: 3:23

Good morning. Good morning. First and foremost, if you don't know today, is Billy's birthday. So Happy birthday, my friend. You've got the glory. We absolutely do. Yeah. And and let's not lose sight of the fact that aside from your birthday today is 911 a day of remembrance, a solemn day of remembrance for our nation. And you know, before I get any further into myself, I just want to make sure that we are aware of that. And we take a moment to pause and reflect on what has happened since then, as well. So thank you, thank you for that time.

Billy Moore: 4:06

Actually, let's take a moment of silence. Chief. I was thinking that talked about it yesterday. The way that we met and it start all started out we were putting together a segment of a million punches from the heart or we punch out gang violence, racism, disrespect, disrespect that the police have paid, I mean for the community and the and the disrespect that the community have for the police. And we were out at Allen's airway And I think that was yours and my first meeting. Thank you. Right. You know, as I recall,

Jeff Davis: 5:11

you had reached out to me just before that, okay. And I still remember you introduce yourself. I think it was a phone call, and you said, I think we need to meet. And so I did a little researching into Billy Moore and the ABC Youth Foundation, and I realized, I think I do need to meet him. Yep. And and then we may have met, like, I believe he may have come into the office right before that event. And that was really the kickoff and, and I was, that was my baptism to ABC and what you and the foundation do for the young people in your program. And I was hooked. After that. I was absolutely hooked.

Billy Moore: 6:01

Well, and, and I remember I was, was I was, I remember talking with you, you know, as it you know, cheapest. I'm not. I'm not no ways at choirboy, nor have I been and you said, well, no big deal. And so I can't remember what the heck it was. But the next day, we were supposed to meet that. Not Alan's airfield, but over at. It was a place where they make airplane parts.

Jeff Davis: 6:34

I remember that.

Billy Moore: 6:35

And we had our kids that we came out, the TV was out that was coming out. And I was so tired. and you and you and your little wife walked over to the car. Now sit in the car trying to rest on about been to a party at night before the sum and use it. Billy. You said you're right. Yes, sir. And it was a darndest this thing. When you look, you look is gonna tell you something. I don't want to see you like this anymore. I will see you healthy and feeling good. That's it, okay. She we've been friends ever since.

Jeff Davis: 7:21

I can't remember a time when I met somebody. And right off the bat felt a connection kind of a kinship. And it's funny, you mentioned that because after our first meeting, we talked quite a bit about personal philosophies. Yes. I remember going home and telling my wife, I said, I met this guy today. And we kind of see eye to eye on things. And let her know that we were going to go to the first event. And of course, she said, Well, I want to go Yeah. And and ironically, after that, we had a conversation and she said, I understand what you're saying now. And and we we talk about your billing. We We We realize it's you know, how do I say this? I've met a lot of good people I really have. But it's unfortunately rare to meet really genuine people anymore. And maybe it has to do with my line of work. I don't know. So when I do meet somebody like that, it has a big impact on my life. And my wife as well. And, you know, set aside what you do for the community bill at the ABC Youth Foundation. Yes. I'm here right now, because of you. parents give God the glory because of you. Thank you, Chief. Thank you. That means a lot. Because

Billy Moore: 8:58

I like to share. I know sometimes in the past we've been in board meetings not go to talking about my shortcomings. In one of the board members the ability. We don't we really don't want to hear about your shortcoming. That's okay. But you know, I was reading Paul, in the Bible. I know we probably have some people that that are atheists and but we respect all people. And but as he says, He says, I brag about my shortcomings, so that I don't get to thinking that I'm more than what I am. And I love talking about my shortcomings. Because I was yesterday and I was talking with terrorists and I were talking and God places people in your life and yourself and Terence Shigg and Dr. Bob There are people that that's placed in your life to help you overcome your shortcomings. It's encouraging, is certain people that really encourage people, I don't care how old you get this all, always someone placed in your life to help encourage you, I am learning that. And I welcome it, I think the Lord for people like yourself, and the people that I just mentioned, but we're here, one of the main reasons we're here is for what we just got through talking about, and maybe someone will hear that it'll resonate with them, and add something to their life. But ABC. What we do here is teach our youngsters how to step off in life with their best foot forward without cowardice, but with courage and dignity. In right now we have a situation that's going on across his country. And right now, I don't believe it's getting any any better. I think it's kind of at a low. And those of us that believe in prayer, and believe in doing something positive, and we need start doing it before it goes over the deep end. We hear we when youngsters come through that door, we teach them that respect, has to go both ways and we teach them how to respect the elders, or the people that supposed to be in charge of youngsters being able to follow a guideline or some guidelines. And right now, that's a little out of whack. So that was one of the reasons I wanted us to get together and talk a little bit and see how we get on someone could hear this conversation that we're having. And we come up with a way to where we would have mutual respect. Not just respect, just going one way, but mutual respect, the police respected the community enough to where the community would maybe take some lead and say, well, so let me know, let me share some here real quick with you. There was a young man that came to ABC about three years ago. And he came from a family of a lot of criminal activity. And I said, well, we're going around to the police department, he did not meet. He's at that time. He's probably 1314 years old. And I say, Well, if you're going to come here, you want to mount the police department in some way. And so he kind of he gave in. And we went around to the police department when we left the police department. He said, coach, I think I want to be a police just like that. So, that was one of the reasons that led me to ask you to would you come on and let's do a podcast and talk a little bit about what's going on in our society, with a with the community and with the police department.

Jeff Davis: 13:41

Well, that doesn't surprise me believe that this is on your heart, and that you're taking action. You know, you it was a great segue actually into this topic. You were mentioning your shortcomings. And by the way, I don't see you the only shortcomings I see and use your sweet tooth. Terence guards carefully. Yeah. that why I didn't Bring up a doughnut. No. And to me, Billy that speaks. And I've thought about not specifically the topic we're talking about today, but more on a broader scale of what's going on today on both sides. And you really started this conversation going down the path of exactly what I've been thinking about and it's it's humility, which the Bible teaches as well. And maybe and again, these are just my opinions.

Billy Moore: 14:49

Yes, yes.

Jeff Davis: 14:51

And, and it's, it occurs to me that possibly sides could benefit from a little humility. And being able to understand where the other person's coming from, we just had a conversation out in the lobby with one of your

Billy Moore: 15:22

Joe Sigurdson ,

Jeff Davis: 15:23

yeah, Joe from

Billy Moore: 15:25

Boys to Men.

Jeff Davis: 15:26

He related on I want to take a story. But it was a great story. But it was very similar to that about him. Having one of his mentees, wear his shoes, and walk in those shoes for just a bit, and then make a decision that Joe had to make. And boy, couldn't we all benefit from a little more of that nowadays? Now, how that plays out? I don't know. That's going to be up to leaders like you, I think. But you're asking my opinion. My opinion. And this certainly isn't just a simple answer. But if we could all exercise a little humility, accept our shortcomings. And in doing so accept the shortcomings of others, and realize there isn't there isn't just two sides to every story. There's multiple sides.

Billy Moore: 16:27

Yes. Yes, it's a there's a how they see it, there's Yes.There's my side. This is what I've heard some old gentlemen, a lot older than me in the past. There's my side, your side. And then the truth, something I it goes something like that. But this is what happened. And I won't mention any names. But I, my dad, the police used to drive down our

Jeff Davis: 16:59

I noticed. street. And the majority of the times when the police drove down our street. They didn't get off that street until they went in the house and played a game of pool with you. And I was I was raised that way. And the Chief Nieslet San Diego police, Him and I have a good, good, good rapport. We have a good report ABC News. I'm not gonna say me but ABC, our kids, when the kids see our police they can call the police by the names. They can do that. But, we haven't have a couple of young couple young ladies that was doing some volunteer work with us. And after I think they saw a video of us doing, doing, doing an interview with the police department. And it's really really, it it. It hurt me more than anything. But they sent text they sent one to me one to Terence. So I'm not a texter I'm a guy that I I like to ta k,

Billy Moore: 18:28

I like to talk so I picked up the phone I called her. She said well let the text hit. Instructor more. I'm happy to have you in my life. She says but if you're going to support the police, then we can't support ABC anymore. First of all, I got angry. Because what you're calling me is something that I'm not. I don't believe in kissing nobodies. But, I believe in respecting them. I believe in doing that. So I call Terence. Terence is kind of the type he can just let want to roll off of his back in a I can't do that. I've got to do something about it. I have to but this time, I did because I know what ABC stands for. I know kind of know, both sides. Both sides of the table, the public side and the police side. So, with that, at my church, Dr. John W. Ringold. My wife and I and his wife. We've been all over the country. I think I've shared that with you doing missionary work and a lot of the work that I do on the field I try and bring it into what we do here at ABC, and walk by a lot of those guidelines. So, we have something going on here that I do agree with you is going to take people like myself and others, to do something to make a difference. There was a situation that occurred the other day, where a group of people went to a police officers home, went to his home, and protested all about his home and did some things towards his family. It's very dis. It wasn't right. Because when you start doing things like that, and I hope someone is listening to this, that, was that was involved with it. This would happen to me years ago as a kid. And it from time to time, I'll jump around a little bit because different things come to my mind. I was there was a guy by the name of Rufus Kenyatta Hackenhole. My data just got gotten him out of San Quentin Prison. He was six, six weigh 245 pounds with a 32 inch waist. And Rufuss, the nicest guy, man, but he had gotten involved with a with a radical group. And so he had came by the house, he was talking to me, in kind of the winter sounded good to me. And so my dad, he act like he wasn't listening. And he's at the top of the steps. I knew he was at the top of the steps. Starting with we went to go out the door, he came back. He said, Where are you going? I see. I'm going to let you know what you're going to do is he said, you're going to bring us back in his house, and you're going to sit your ass down. That's what you're going to do. So he said, Rufus you go ahead, he said I'm gonna ask you question. He said, Do you know how to you say Do you know how to make a gun? No, sir. Did you know how to make a missile? That's a No, sir. Let me tell you something, the best thing you can do is learn how to help people. By using this, in first of all going and finishing your education set, that's the best thing you can do is yes, because this thing here is going to get a lot of people killed. And I thought about that, you're going to go over a group of people are going to go to somebody's home, mean in the front of somebody's home, in being out in a parking lot. Two different things. First of all, when you go into somebody's living area, you're treading on their territory. I think God that nobody got hurt that day, because someone very well could have gotten hurt. And it's possible. When you do something like that, sometimes people forget, sometimes they don't forget. So, that's the first place I would like to start that we would like to start is to let our young people know that you've got to be careful about the choices you decide to make. You've got to be careful about the way you step up into life with your best foot forward. If you step up in life with your best foot forward, you're going to really be careful about the direction that you're going. But, on the other hand, now, a lot of those people they can defend their point of view because of what they've seen happen with the police and our citizens. I think there's a number of people that died. So it's going to take a lot of praying and a lot of putting one another in each other's footsteps.

Jeff Davis: 24:53

Well said I couldn't agree more. Billy, you know, and you're yeah, strong, strong Dad, you're blessed. Yeah. And and that story that you relayed is almost like a metaphor. And he was right. I think, well, I, I suspect nowadays, not just young people, but a lot of people are being pulled in a direction. And they feel based on their emotion, that it's the right direction to go, whether they're friends, or even family or pulling them in that direction. And and if I if I if anybody ever asked my opinion or advice on that, it would be similar to what you said if it's if it's the decision you make, could have dire consequences. Regardless, if you're a young person or an old person, it would probably be wise to take a second and look into the facts first, yes, before you make a decision, before you follow somebody that you think is right, you probably wouldn't do that normally in life. You would want to think on your own and make your own decisions. And I understand that it can be difficult, I understand, especially for younger folks, they may not have access to somebody who is wise as you or your father, I would, I would suggest seeking somebody out that you trust and feel comfortable. ABC is a good example. You can and get a relationship with somebody who you can ask in. Maybe you can, you can add to this, it seems like right now. This either you're on this side, or that side has led to a situation where people don't want to accept something they don't believe in. Because they think that they have to practice that. I can accept that you have a different opinion. But I don't have to practice that. But I respect you have a different opinion. And it's getting back to the humility issue. It's okay for people to not agree with you. And it's okay for you not to agree with other people. And you kind of alluded to the fact of Well find out the facts first, and speak intelligently or at the very least, learn as much about what's going on, so you can make a good decision, not just based on emotion. And regardless of your lot in life, how old you are, what your experiences are you and I both really know that emotions never go away. You know, I got cut off on the way driving here on the freeway, and boy, my emotions were about to take over. But that was an opportunity for me to take a step back and ask myself, Well, why am I upset? That guy probably didn't even see me. And it was probably not intentional. So I base my reaction on on the facts that I saw at the time and, and didn't honk my horn or Yeah. And I think that's kind of what you're alluding to right now is is if you don't feel like you have the resources or somebody you know, I'm talking to a man right now, who is a resource Billy Moore and ABC foundation. And, you know, I can tell you in my 33 years in law enforcement, I can't say I've met very many people as genuine as, as this man and i and i would trust your advice.

Billy Moore: 29:03

I liked that Chief. I liked it. What, what, what we'd like to do this segment, because this is a segment that we're going to have a few of these segments and hoping and praying that you'll come back. But in the meantime, what we'd like to call this here, which I still do is name just pass that he believed in getting in good trouble. john lewis, john lewis, so we want to call this segment good trouble. Good trouble. Let's uh, let's go out and our listeners, let's go out and get into good trouble. And that way, it won't come back positive.

Jeff Davis: 29:52

Amen. to that.

Billy Moore: 29:53

I want to thank you, Chief.

Jeff Davis: 29:54

Thank you for inviting me

Billy Moore: 29:55

And tell that lovely wife of yours. I said hello and in

Jeff Davis: 30:01

You know, she's gonna sneak a donut to you.

Billy Moore: 30:06

Thank you so much, Chief.

Jeff Davis: 30:07

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Dwayne E. Shigg: 30:10

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