Controversy in CFB with the Sanders Family & In-Depth Analysis of the NFL Draft

Can the legacy of a football great unfairly tilt the scales in NFL draft picks? Tune in as we tackle the tough questions, dissecting the impact of Deion Sanders' star power on his son Shedeur's prospects, and whether talent or controversy should be the currency of a winning team. This week's All Purpose Pod is a touchdown of hot takes and deep analysis on the Falcons' strategic moves, the cultural shake-up at Colorado, and the intricacies of NFL contracts that have everyone talking. 

Strap on your helmet because we're charging headfirst into the surprises and strategies that defined this year's NFL draft. From Michael Penix's shocking selection to the Giants' quarterback quandary, Bo, Herb, Rodg, and I don't hold back in our play-by-play. We're unpacking the draft-day decisions that saw defenses overlooked and quarterbacks overhyped, all while cracking jokes about our own 'tactical breaks' to fuel our football obsession. 

Finish off with our blitz analysis as we give our unfiltered views on the Eagles' and Seahawks' draft strategies, the Giants' potential playbook with Drew Lock, and the Patriots' mysterious moves. It's a whirlwind wrap-up that leaves no player unexamined, no strategy unscrutinized, and certainly no listener is left on the bench. Whether you're a draft diehard or a casual fan looking for laughs, this episode has the play-by-play action you don't want to miss.

Enjoy the show! 

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Speaker 1: 0:31

Thank you, Welcome back to the All Purpose Pod for an all-purpose life. Wherever you are and however you're listening to the Call Me, Mr U, the podcast. We thank you again for making us a part of your morning, your day and your week. We are Weekly Mirror Check. Before you change the world, we're in the house. For all you guys that are first-time visitors today, we're normally on Mondays at 9 am. Today is not Monday, Today is Thursday. We had a little preemptive episode because of vacation for me, so we're here today, but our normal scheduled time is going to be Mondays at 9 am. So please don't get lost. Until the finals on Thursdays we're not going to be there. So we'll be there on Mondays. But Bo's in the house, Herb and Raj are moving around their respective cities, so hopefully they'll chime in and drop some nuggets on you guys this morning. But, Bo, how you doing? Man? How's things going today?

Speaker 2: 1:24

Doing good, my man. How about you?

Speaker 1: 1:26

Fantastic Post-vacation. Sometimes you gotta rest after the vacation. Just get back to normal. That's where I am right now. I'm not at normal yet. I'm not even at 90%. I'm working somewhere around 83.5%. Not there yet, but we're working on it, we are working on it. Good morning, not there yet, but we're working on it, we are working on it.

Speaker 1: 1:47

Good morning, it's my brother, jeremy. Thanks for joining us, man, glad to have you in the house today, all right. Well, we are going all nfl draft for the most part anyway. There's a lot of recapping that we didn't get a chance to do just yet, man. But just okay, there's more. Good morning coming through chad. Good morning, brother. I know you had about bunch of work from West VA on the Steelers. You predicted it on our show and it actually happened, brother, the Steelers got the guy man so excited for that man. Mom, good morning. Hope you're having a good time out there where you are. I can't wait to see your face. You always get all back up. I just want to see you and love on you. Thanks for joining our show and supporting us so much. You always do Really appreciate it. All right, so just before we start getting into a little bit of detail. You know what? Let's jump on this thing with Dion and Shadu. Let's touch this first. It feels like this is some level of a hot topic.

Speaker 2: 2:43

Man, it's just this never ending saga.

Speaker 1: 2:49

At some point they need to just shut up and actually win some football games. Yeah, they would have won four games, if I'm not mistaken that's not a lot to brag about.

Speaker 1: 2:56

That's an understatement. We were on the Wednesday wrap up yesterday and I think I might've mentioned this. I forgot how much detail I went into. I was saying you know that I'm down for an environment that has a strong work ethic, that preaches toughness. You gotta have that in football because a lot of things happen. You gotta be tough, you gotta have a great mindset.

Speaker 1: 3:15

For me, the challenge is that there's this culture. It feel like it's so bad. It's like anybody that comes into it you know they're gonna suffer from it and when you go out to presumably go into the NFL and be drafted, it's going to be held against you. And it's like it's really a bad situation because, like in Shador's case, people are talking about top five and number one overall. It's like you know what. You can't bite that and kind of fall for the hype. But man, it's like this is this is a really bad start.

Speaker 1: 3:47

If he wasn't talking it probably wouldn't be as bad, but he's talking as well and your dad's the coach and you guys are both the uh, de facto leaders of this team and you're talking like this and same thing about other players and, of course, fellow collegiates like queen ewers and some other guys, and they're talking about kler Murray and Jalen Hurts and running down NFL players that are going to be part of your camaraderie, your grouping, which you eventually drafted. So I lost the word. I'm trying to find it. I'm trying to find it. It wasn't camaraderie, it was some other word, but you know you're talking about guys. God is going to be a part of your fraternity. That's the way I want it. You know you're running them down before you even get there. It's like this is a bad look, this is not good. It's just it's not a good way to start any kind of career really. But, as you can see, yeah, I mean it's.

Speaker 2: 4:43

I mean, first off, I don't know why they're getting involved in these Twitter wars. Anyway, you would think that this would be below their pay grade, right, certainly for Dion anyway. I mean Shador maybe not. You know he's young, whatever, but you know, I don't, I don't know why they're. They're running down guys that potentially they're going to be in the league with um. You know, it's just a bad look and I mean, realistically, I don't know how that's going to help them recruit guys, because I mean, you're just showing that it is a toxic environment that you're headed to. So, uh, yeah, I don't know it. It's a, it's a bad look and it just keeps getting. Worse is the problem.

Speaker 1: 5:26

I thought. I mean we all got the impression that Dion was there to change the environment and to produce a winning culture.

Speaker 2: 5:33

So, to be fair, he changed the environment.

Speaker 1: 5:37

Okay, the environment has changed. They won more games. Exactly, they went from a one win to a four win, so technically they won more games.

Speaker 2: 5:43

Exactly, they went from a one win to a four win, so technically they won more games. But yeah, it's the goal though.

Speaker 1: 5:50

It's just what we wanted.

Speaker 2: 5:51

The goal I would imagine would be to actually win meaningful games. But and I mean realistically, they'll probably still be better. Right, but they're not going to be impressive. And if I was a recruit trying to go into college the first year of Deion, I would have been intrigued the way I'm watching everything happen now. I'd be like, yeah, I think I'm going to go somewhere else.

Speaker 1: 6:18

Yeah, I haven't seen the schedule, but we can presume they're going to win more than four games. But to be honest I don't know. I thought they won more than four last year and it didn't happen.

Speaker 2: 6:29

Well, yeah, because what they moved to the Big 12, right? Yeah, I'm not convinced they win more than four games.

Speaker 1: 6:37

For me, it's like I think it's all about relevance. It's like this is why I really get esteemed about the Cowboys, dallas Cowboys in general. It's not because of the NFC East rivalry, it's more about this part, because they think being relevant means to keep your name in the news. And it's like is that what relevance really means? Is that really what you want to have? Because, I mean, people are talking about you might have a Twitter post that's got like 100,000. Is that really relevance? Or?

Speaker 2: 7:27

even bad press is good press, right, like that's good news or whatever Exactly so. Um, I mean, it keeps the cameras on them and that's what they care about, right? Like Dion is the coach version of Jerry Jones, like he needs the cameras on him all the time. Um, which I mean cool, whatever, you get a lot of exposure for your school. Um, the problem is is when it goes the direction it's going, it's pretty much all bad press, and if you're a kid that's trying to get good tape out there, that maybe you're not the number one pick coming into the draft, maybe you're around three or four guy, you're going to get lost in the circus that is this team because of the craziness that's always happening. Right, cause you got Deion Sanders being himself and then you know you have his kids that require a lot of camera time because they're also out there saying dumb stuff, and so if you're one of those mid round potential guys, you might just get missed because there's too much other just weird stuff to watch on this team.

Speaker 1: 9:02

Yeah, for me I beg to differ just a little bit, and it's probably the English major in me but the word relevant it actually means something that's appropriate or connected to the matter at hand. When you hear all this in the news with the Cowboys, that's not the matter at hand, that's not what really matters, because what we always come back to is what you do, so in the playoff so what their?

Speaker 1: 9:26

name is in it because of the, because their facilities. Jerry jones is constantly has his face out there, but at the end of the day, we always come back and we talk about it you're talking about two different kinds of relevance.

Speaker 2: 9:39

So you're talking about relevance in the game and they are creating relevance for the brand. Right, and those aren't always the same thing. Because, for the brand, having the name in the news all the time helps bring money to your team, whether it's good or bad, for whatever reason, because it's always in the forefront of the mind. How's that?

Speaker 1: 10:04

with Colorado, though. Is that what's happening with Colorado? You think they're bringing more money to the brand, as you say they are?

Speaker 2: 10:13

They have more NIL money than they did before we got there, and it's because they get all this airtime all the time. Because, again, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if it's good news, bad news, whatever If the cameras are on you as an advertiser, unless somebody is like hurting other people which they're not, they're just being annoying but if you're an advertiser, then all that camera time is just highlighting whatever brand you're trying to sell, Right Cause, at the end of the day it's it's selling ads. That's all. This is all of it.

Speaker 1: 10:44

Like you said, it's just two different things. I mean, that's not something that I care about because I don't get any revenue from that, so that doesn't matter to me. I'm looking at the end result and, like you said, it's annoying.

Speaker 2: 10:54

I'm watching football because I like football, no we're talking about relevance on two different fronts, right yeah?

Speaker 1: 11:02

Are they?

Speaker 2: 11:02

relevant in the football world? No, because they had four wins. Nobody's relevant at four wins.

Speaker 1: 11:07

Yep, and also you're passing my timeline with Chateau going to be an overall number one pick, and I don't want that to show up on my page. That's not real. We don't even know that. We don't even know if he's going to be in the top five. His daddy said he will be, but honestly, how can your daddy even control that part? He threw the ball probably more than he ever did in his entire life last year and it didn't. It resulted in four wins still, and it didn't. It resulted in four wins still. So how can you control if this is going to be a top five pick? How?

Speaker 2: 11:43

So Deion has enough influence. He could finesse his kid onto a team in the top. He could Absolutely how? Because with him brings Deion, you don't have to have the numbers no, you don't have to have the numbers.

Speaker 1: 11:58

No. You don't have to have the numbers, you don't.

Speaker 2: 12:02

That's the thing. So that's similar to somebody's going to draft Bronny right. Someone's going to do it.

Speaker 2: 12:09

And it's going to be because of LeBron, because his kid doesn't have the numbers to get drafted. Like his kid's okay, right, it's not great, there's nothing special, but he's going to end up in the NBA Like it's just so there. There's a similar situation here. Now, shador isn't a bad quarterback Like I'm not saying that. So like he's a. He's a good athlete. No doubt Not, not disput so like he's a good athlete no doubt Not disputing that. Do I think he's a number one overall pick? No, I haven't seen that. But do I think he'll go higher on the board than he probably should? Yes, and that is solidly because of Deion Sanders and the relationships he has with a bunch of these owners.

Speaker 1: 12:55

So We'll see.

Speaker 2: 12:56

What's that?

Speaker 1: 12:57

We'll see. I Well no, because.

Speaker 2: 12:59

So we'll see what's that? We'll see I, I well, no.

Speaker 1: 13:01

I'm staying here for now because I don't. I don't feel like it's a good thing. I'm not even sure that it's going to happen. But I'll stay over here and we'll just watch and see.

Speaker 2: 13:13

I mean the thing is, is it? It sells tickets, it sells jerseys, it. So these are the things that matter to owners. Wins matter, yeah, to a degree, but it's profits right. These are billionaires. They like money coming in the door. If they can get all the money coming in the door and not spend the money to get a winning team, they'll still do it right. Like, if they can get a flashy guy that outsells everybody in jerseys and all of that, they'll do it.

Speaker 1: 13:37

I'm not going to dispute that. I can't. But we're talking about a quarterback, a leader of the team, like we talked about a little bit yesterday on the wrap-up. Sure, this is somebody who you're making a big investment in. I don't care what you say. This is a long-term investment. This is not like no offense but any other position on the team. It's not like that. This is different. They've got rules in place to protect this particular player at this position, so the investment is on a different level. I don't know. We'll walk and see, but I'm not vetted to annoy him.

Speaker 2: 14:17

You can guess wrong on a first-round quarterback and have it, not bury your team because rookie contracts aren't horrible, right? So I mean somebody could take him in the top ten, let's say, and say he flames out. We've watched that happen a million times. Franchises are fine. Now if they turn around and give him a $150 million contract and he's bad, well that's on the franchise, that's just bad decisions. But if you go and you draft him and then he just doesn't work out, you don't have that much invested Because rookie deals aren't crazy.

Speaker 1: 15:00

I totally understand that. I think I'm already at the place where I've kind of had enough of the drama surrounding this. I don't know, Even right now I feel like I'm getting low to sleep. Right now I'm like okay, I'm not bored with you, I'm just kind of like okay.

Speaker 2: 15:19

I feel, like.

Speaker 1: 15:20

This is like if you're already bored with it. No, I mean, I think, I think I'm kind of near, I mean, something that stirred me up here. Give me to discuss this again. It's kind of like talking about the cowboys for 60 minutes.

Speaker 2: 15:30

It's like, yeah, how far can I really go with this, you know, yeah I was just gonna say, if you're already bored with this uh topic and we're not even into the spring game for them yet, uh buckle up, because it's about to be a long year.

Speaker 1: 15:43

Yeah, I want to. I want to actually see what they actually do. You know what I'm saying on the. You know the whole football thing. No, I want to actually see that part. That's what I want to see.

Speaker 2: 15:52

I mean I'm curious. I want to see if they have any semblance of defense or if they're going to try and run the ball. You know there's a lot of things that they were very bad at last year that you know. I'm curious if they can fix. I don't know how they're going to because they have all new kids again.

Speaker 1: 16:09

I don't know how they're going to fix that. I'm not even sure they're going to even duplicate what they did last year. I mean maybe, but different conference, different level of competition. They're playing video games. Got distractions here too. What's up, brother?

Speaker 3: 16:27

What is up? I'm actually at work. I just told him I was going to the bathroom real quick so I could jump on here, brother. The longest bathroom break in history.

Speaker 1: 16:40

Well, guess what, if you can do it for 45 minutes and get away with?

Speaker 3: 16:42

it more than ever. Yeah, we'll be here for 45 minutes, though I apologize for being late man, I had to finish up stuff before jumping on.

Speaker 2: 16:47

But uh it's okay it's all good, I like, I like the, the studio. You're gonna take us into the honey bucket, is that what it is?

Speaker 3: 16:57

yes, I mean you, if somebody calls back. Yeah, we might be up on the ladder here in a minute.

Speaker 1: 17:02

He's going to bring the whole computer with me.

Speaker 3: 17:03

We do.

Speaker 1: 17:04

Good morning, Wen. Glad you're in the house. Love that you're all with us, All right. Well, let's move off of. Well, since Herbert's here, I guess we'll give you a shot at the whole Dion Chadeau conversation. I'm officially done, for today at least. Yeah, you are shared by all means.

Speaker 3: 17:26

I'll make it quick because I don't want to slow you down. Mike Big Mike, a good friend, was one of the biggest Dion people and yesterday he said he was done. I mean, that's pretty much all I got to say, you know.

Speaker 2: 17:39

No, I mean, it's just gotten crazy, it is. At this point I want to see football.

Speaker 1: 17:44

I don't want to talk about this, no more. No, show me that you're going to be so relevant in a way that I care about. I don't care about your ads and your likes. I've been on the field with more than four games played. I got I got top five overall or number one overall. Played, not talked like one, right like one. That's where I'm at. You know nobody who loves dion, love the drama, who you baby I don't want there.

Speaker 2: 18:12

I would take him starting to talk like one. Yeah, because that's not what we're seeing out of him. We're we're seeing a junior high kid morning, morning, thank y'all, yeah her getting that loving this morning.

Speaker 1: 18:28

All right, can we go? Can we go nfl and leave dion in the past?

Speaker 3: 18:31

I'm I'm done with it, I'm good all right, I'm, I'm there too.

Speaker 1: 18:34

so a lot going on with NFL draft. We didn't talk about it much at all. I was away, and a lot of stuff. I mean I wonder how you guys felt about your team, how your team spared Draft. Graves, reactions, surprises. Let's run the whole show down with it, man. So let's go man. So what you guys thinking, man First question.

Speaker 2: 18:59

I helped man.

Speaker 1: 19:00

First question, I'll help you out First question what was the biggest surprise for you in the draft?

Speaker 3: 19:05

I'm going to go with the second biggest, because I know everyone is talking about the biggest.

Speaker 1: 19:12

No, it's all good.

Speaker 3: 19:13

I mean number one has got to be Michael Penix man, and I just feel like it's maybe been beaten to death, but it is legitimately your biggest shock.

Speaker 3: 19:23

You know and I talked about it kind of yesterday I've been watching the Falcons podcast and it's taken him a week to talk himself into. Okay, maybe this isn't a terrible thing, but it's like all the possibilities. If Kirk Cousins at least gives you like three years, then you don't have any idea what you have with Penix. He's going to be what? Like 27 at that point, without having been a snap. You know, having taken a snap, and you're paying him 100 million, guaranteed. All right. If Kirk Cousins gets hurt and Penix has to step in earlier than you wanted, then you're still paying him 100 million.

Speaker 3: 20:01

So what was the whole point in inside? If you were going to sign a guy like that I'm a steal one from you know what Bo said yesterday Get a guy like Drew, get somebody who you don't have to pay that much and you don't think is going to be your starter for more than a year or two, exactly. And the parallels that they were trying to make was like to the jordan love thing or whatever. Well, those guys are drafted late. Even aaron rogers was drafted late after he fell. You know, on the draft they weren't drafted eight. Okay, it's.

Speaker 2: 20:26

It's just not the same as any of these other situations no, if you're a top 10 pick you're you're in theory gonna play right right.

Speaker 3: 20:34

That's the very least year two, right? Yes, I think like the, the, the plan with mccarthy is like give him one year, let darnold just get out there and see what happens and then get out there.

Speaker 2: 20:44

Right, but no more than that right, well, and and then you run into the other issue, right, because you're you have over the next two seasons for kirk, I think it's 90 mil, right, and then there's an out after that.

Speaker 1: 21:00

But the what was 100?

Speaker 2: 21:02

Well, it's 100 guaranteed for the whole contract, but the next two years I think it's just 90. So if they were to cut Just 90, no big deal. But if they were to cut him they'd have to pay him the 10 mil, right, obviously, because it's guaranteed, but they can get out of his contract.

Speaker 1: 21:18

So yeah, yeah, that's what it sounds like.

Speaker 2: 21:32

But you know. So the next problem that you run into is if you say Kirk Cousins isn't ready to go right Because of when he tore his Achilles. Maybe he's not ready to go week one, or maybe he's not ready until week five or six or something. Well, if Penix comes in and is balling out, you can't pull him back out, Right, Right. So now, all of a sudden, you're going to pay $100 million to a guy that isn't going to play.

Speaker 1: 21:54

Right, that's going to be weird.

Speaker 3: 21:56

Remember when we were talking about where would um, where would garoppolo go, and he was suspended for two games and we're like, if you get a rookie, you can't. It's like the same situation, except with way more money on the line. You can't put him out there and bring him back and way better production.

Speaker 2: 22:09

Let's be honest it's weird.

Speaker 1: 22:12

It's weird man, because because the uh, the knock, if anything, besides his injury history on pennants, with that, he's going to need one or two years to get up to speed, whatever that meant. So it's like you know. But to take him in the top, if it happened outside of the top 10, I probably wouldn't even have even cared as much because, like you guys already stated very eloquently that in the top 10, you kind of expect him to start. Nobody's thinking Joe Orr's going to sit in his first year, or if you're not going to start, it's only going to be a year. It just makes sense, right. But in this case it's like, okay, you want to give him one or two years as a little cushion, but you're going to pitch him an eight. Yeah, it's weird. I don't get that part of it. That's the only part.

Speaker 1: 22:56

I'm still letting out understanding.

Speaker 2: 22:58

Even in the top 10, you can wrap your head around sitting for a year, especially behind a guy like Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 1: 23:05

Not two years though.

Speaker 3: 23:07

That's what he said. A year should be the max.

Speaker 2: 23:10

Exactly it's certainly not the three to five years they were talking about. No, You're going to sit a guy until he's 30 and never take a snap Like why even draft the guy Right, Like you're? Going to have to pay him and not even know if he can throw Yep.

Speaker 1: 23:24

Ugly stuff there. All right, Jeremy said I'm happy the Giants picked the neighbors. I'm going to add a quarterback to him. Is that a typo, Jay? To hit him with the.

Speaker 3: 23:34

Giants. I did like the neighbor's pick, though I thought that was a smart choice at that point. Sure, you'll figure out the quarterback, but if you're not happy with the guys, if you didn't get one of the big three and you're not happy necessarily with the guys afterward, go for a premium at that position. So I agreed with it.

Speaker 2: 23:54

So I mean, I guess my question to you guys then is does Drew Locke steal the job? Because I think he could I I don't see.

Speaker 1: 24:02

I don't see any reason why he can't right. It's not the same thing as the atlanta situation, but he is. But uh, dj's come off an injury and he sound like he's doing great. But we know when we know, right.

Speaker 2: 24:14

So he looked pretty shell-shocked in the interview.

Speaker 1: 24:18

I mean for me I don't know, it's really hard to compare Drew Locke and Daniel Jones. It's hard for me. I don't feel like I got a full handle on Drew Locke just overall. I've seen him a little bit in Seattle, a lot more in Denver, but there was a lot of factors that caused the result that we got. It wasn't just his abilities. So it's kind of hard to compare the two. But I mean I kind of feel like Locke can have that. He can get that locker room. I feel like it's not hard because if you are a show shot, like people are saying DJ is, and you don't have that captaincy anymore, you don't have that swagger.

Speaker 1: 25:06

And Gulak likes to dance. Apparently, from all the videos I've been seeing, he likes to dance. He's got some swag, he's got a young group and gets them garrisoned and rallied behind him. It can be over before it even starts. So yeah, definitely possible, definitely possible. He's not bad at football. I don't know what people think about him because he's getting moved around so much, but he's not at journeyman status yet. He could still play some football. So other than that, I think he'd be fine.

Speaker 2: 25:33

I mean the thing with Locke is he actually plays pretty well. He just happened to land in places that it wasn't going to work that Broncos team wasn't great and then he gets forced out of the room by Russell Wilson. So then he comes to Seattle and Geno is, you know, given, given that starting role, and then he sets the Seahawks single season passing record. It's like, okay, well you're, you're not taking that job from him. Like that's, that's not a real thing. So I mean, it's just one of those. He hasn't landed in a spot where he could realistically take that starting job. Now, can he do it? I don't even know.

Speaker 2: 26:19

You know, honestly, I didn't think Gino was going to be able to do it. So I mean, is it possible? For sure, but I think this is a scenario where, if, if he's given a real opportunity, he could take the job. Because Drew Locke is relatively accurate. You know the one thing he does make bad decisions from time to time. So, um, not to say that, uh, dj doesn't. So I mean, I I think, I think that's one of the very few times that there could be a real quarterback. Uh, you know, not controversy, but, uh, competition for sure and am I right, real quick, am I right?

Speaker 3: 26:57

you said you guys said you can get off of DJ's contract after this year, coming up After this year? Yeah Right.

Speaker 1: 27:03

See, so I think the timetable for the Giants is $2 million.

Speaker 3: 27:07

You're kind of in like a little mini rebuild, you're starting to make a little bit better personnel decisions. It almost doesn't matter what happens. If Drew Locke plays well and you play well this season, that's great. If he's bad and DJ, you're about to get off him anyway. Now you've got a high pick next year and you can take Shador and see how that turns out.

Speaker 2: 27:26

Yeah, like the comments.

Speaker 1: 27:28

Nobody drive here or fly here and check on me. I'm talking about that, yeah if that happens, I'm gonna need some help. I don't care how good he plays, I don't want him here if daddy comes with him and all the other drunk. I don't want none of that. We don't need that stuff in our life we don't need that, you don't need.

Speaker 3: 27:53

I'll be at the front door, I'll be knocking, hey, you alright man, you alright buddy.

Speaker 1: 27:58

I feel like my mind is intact, but I feel like I'm. I ain't going to be in the best of moods, I'll just put it like that. But as far as the Duloc Park goes, see him at the Broncos, see him in Seattle. Now he's gonna be here. I need more time to assess all three situations, but on the surface, without going into detail and research, I feel like this is a better spot than all of those in several different areas. Defensive side research I feel this is a better spot than all of those in several different areas. Defensive side O-line. To a degree, I'm not sure what we are yet. Ryan Neal got dropped down in the depth chart, so that's a good thing. So I'm like okay. So now maybe we got some problems with Jermaine and that kind of stuff, but we'll see how it goes. This is a good spot for him to do what you said, bro actually take over. So we'll see what happens. Got some folks coming in. Good morning, bayou Bango. What's up baby? Yep, yep, hit that like button. I love it. I love it.

Speaker 2: 28:56

Love it. That being said, if you guys do pick up Shador, we're going to stay on this man. If you guys pick him up, I want to watch the draft with you because I think that'll be hilarious.

Speaker 3: 29:11

We definitely have to have live reactions Right.

Speaker 1: 29:14

I don't normally throw stuff during the draft. I'm going to find something heavy. Make some loud noises because I don't want that stuff, man, I'm going to find something heavy.

Speaker 2: 29:24

Make some loud noises, because I don't want that stuff, man you want to win.

Speaker 1: 29:26

Your team, you can have them. All you guys' teams, you can have them. If you want them, Go for it. I won't be mad. I won't be like man who's we got Shador. It'll never happen.

Speaker 2: 29:37

I don't know, maybe he pulls out.

Speaker 1: 29:40

It don't matter, maybe he pulls out, it don't matter, he never come past these lips. You know what I want? A little ball on my team. I don't.

Speaker 2: 29:47

Yeah, zero days, I got you you know why?

Speaker 1: 29:49

right, nobody wants that. Matter of fact, you know what? I don't know NFL coach in the world that want that. Either Ownership might because, like you said, ads money, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, but not one coach wants that.

Speaker 2: 30:04

The spot that I think could really happen is Jerry Jones getting Deion to come to the NFL and brings his kid Like. That seems like a very Cowboys thing and I am here for that dumpster fire because I think that will be hilarious. Oh wow, what's going to happen fire because I think that will be hilarious.

Speaker 1: 30:22

Oh wow, what's going to happen? Same thing that happened since 1996. Nothing, that's what's going to happen.

Speaker 2: 30:28

Well, yeah, but it'll do exactly what the Cowboys like to do, though Gets all the cameras on them, all the cameras on them, crazy. And again I would be here for the dumpster fire. I bring the popcorn and a beer and we'll just sit around and watch that organization burn.

Speaker 1: 30:44

I'm talking about influence when it comes to Deion, sanders and Shador.

Speaker 3: 30:48

Many times it's more about who you know more than what you know that's right, not something you're going to talk about yet, but let me look at the Bronny situation. We would absolutely not be talking about this if it weren't for the Bron James. No, it about this if it weren't for LeBron James.

Speaker 2: 30:59

No, it's funny because I made that parallel before you got on, because I was just like oh yeah no, no, because he's. He's 100% going to get drafted and shouldn't? Yeah, right, like what we've seen is he probably needs to go to the G League and continue to grow his game.

Speaker 2: 31:16

exactly smart, but yeah, but LeBron has enough influence that Ronnie's going to get in and he's gonna he's gonna be in the league for like two years and then, as soon as LeBron has enough influence, that Ronnie's going to get in and he's going to be in the league for like two years and then, as soon as LeBron is out, that's it. It's a wrap. Unless his game really elevates.

Speaker 1: 31:29

Yeah, yeah, okay, agreed. Yeah, I saw something last night about LeBron I really didn't want to get into that at all but I had to mention it About, I guess, him going into a free agency, almost as leveraged, to get somebody to pick up his son so they can play together and fulfill this dream they have. That's the whole thing, I'm like.

Speaker 3: 31:51

And my question was who's going to sign him and waste a top pick and still think they're going to win a championship next year? Or are you just doing it for tickets?

Speaker 1: 32:03

Why do you want to be a part of this? Why would I be a part of their drama? Why do we have to be a part?

Speaker 2: 32:09

of this, because none of this has to do with the actual sport. This is all about money and that's what goes back to the Sanders thing, and that's how you get there easily it

Speaker 3: 32:20

has nothing to do with the on the field or on the court product.

Speaker 2: 32:23

I mean it was the same thing, for you know, when uh LeVar ball was was doing all the big three brand and all this, all this craziness, uh, I mean, or big ball or whatever, whatever his crap is called, but, um, wow, I mean that, that's all. This is right, this is all marketing and it is good. See, that's the problem. It's good marketing, it works. So, you may not like it, but it creates money, and that's what all of it's for.

Speaker 3: 32:52

Unfortunately, unfortunately, this is good to give us that.

Speaker 1: 32:57

I have one question. We've got to go to NFL Draft. We've got to get off of this. You asked me Does Raj still think he's the GOAT? That's my only question. I'm going to go. Do you still think he's the GOAT? He does he's GOAT behavior.

Speaker 3: 33:09

Yes, this ain't GOAT behavior, but he does, and I can tell you by our text messages and chats that he does. And this is my problem whenever you talk to a LeBron fan is and this happens with Raj and happens in the group text they can't talk about LeBron without bringing up MJ, and I'm like you guys are so insecure about him being the GOAT that you gotta go after something else when.

Speaker 1: 33:28

I talk about MJ. I just tell you, I think he's the best.

Speaker 3: 33:32

I never bring up anybody else because I know MJ is the best.

Speaker 1: 33:37

Facts. We got a lot of comments about draft grape. I want to go back just a little tiny bit to some of the comments about Malik, neighbors and stuff and ask you guys about your team's draft and how you feel about it. You got multiple teams. By all means drop your thoughts on those, but I want to get those there. And we got Jeremy saying Atlanta made a QB controversy where none was needed. Well, you got that right now.

Speaker 1: 33:59

Kirk Cousins is hella mad now, so absolutely he's ticked where none was needed. Well, you got that right Now. Kirk Cousins is hella mad now, so absolutely he's ticked off. But okay, you got to start with what you want to, whatever team you want to start with, but overall thoughts. I mean, you can't go to grades and everything, but you can if you want to. But how do you feel about how?

Speaker 3: 34:15

your team did, overall, go ahead, herb. Well, I'll start with uh, I mean because I like those teams, I like this comment here. So I had to say this with the bills because you've been talking about their championship window closing you handed kansas city, who is one of your key rivals, the wide receiver they wanted. Then you traded back. Like keon coleman, I know, is becoming like a great media personality he better be like a great number one or something now. And to their credit, I guess they like their tight end and um, they like shakur.

Speaker 3: 34:46

I guess he loved them in receiving after week five or right right about when um, when um digs fell off. I guess is when he took off. But I don't see how you like there'd be certain teams I would never trade with, you know, and if I'm the and I was even listening to some Bills guys and they're like, if it weren't for Patrick Mahomes, we'd have at least one or two Super Bowls with Josh Allen right now. That's how they honestly feel. That's how they honestly feel. So if you feel that way, you don't hand those people more ammunition coming off back-to-backs.

Speaker 1: 35:18

Excellent point bro.

Speaker 3: 35:20

I hated, I hated. When I was watching it and saw it happen, I was like, are they joking? Like I don't get it. Do you believe?

Speaker 2: 35:30

what's coming out of your mouth, yeah.

Speaker 1: 35:34

On the screen ESPN type of like no way. No way they're doing that. I don't care who you want, there's no way they're doing that for the Chiefs. How many times now, four out of five times, or three out of four times.

Speaker 3: 35:48

I put them on hold and just never come back if they called.

Speaker 1: 35:52

I can hang up.

Speaker 3: 35:54

No, I'm not going to hang up. I want to waste their time.

Speaker 1: 35:56

So hold on one second Hold. Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2: 36:02

Rick Gasly on there.

Speaker 3: 36:09

Just so they don't call anyone else.

Speaker 1: 36:16

I want to comment on that last part about the window. I thought the window was closing real fast the past couple of years. You know why? Because you can't be that inconsistent on both sides of the ball, up and down, and win a Super Bowl. I don't know anybody that's done it. You've got to be consistent in something and they haven't been consistent on either side offensively, defensively either one.

Speaker 2: 36:36

They were consistently inconsistent.

Speaker 1: 36:38

Yeah, and look what that got them. But as far as your team go, Herb, how are you feeling about what your guys did?

Speaker 3: 36:47

I like what the Eagles did, addressing, I think, a big need going cornerback, what was it? One and two in the draft, okay. So I like where they started, at least realizing what was a problem last year. I just don, I didn't think he needed really any offensive pieces like very high. Uh what? Aj brown just also resigned, davante smith got his money, um, so maybe you know better, play calling would be neat on that. But I felt like they they had a serious need going in and they said, all right, this is, this is the part of the draft we're going to address. So I like what they did.

Speaker 3: 37:16

Um, I think the texans, I guess, kind of had a solid draft, if not spectacular. I think they did. I think the Texans, I guess, kind of had a solid draft, if not spectacular. I think they did most of their work, like last year, and then a free agency. So it was like we're just going to kind of fill in some pieces around here. And then the other team I really like was, of course, the Lions, just because they're an easy team to root for, you know, and of course they pick one of our favorite players, taron Arnold. So that's always going to endear me a little bit more to you. So those would be my top three like kind of favorites and the teams I kind of follow and anything shocked you.

Speaker 3: 37:52

After the Bills and the Falcons? How about, just in general, how far the defensive players fell because we went offense? I'll also say this I know Alt is a solid player, but I really thought the Chargers would go wide receiver, given the talent of the top three wide receivers and what they've lost in the offseason. I understand maybe the philosophy, but you also like Luz Eckler, so I guess you're getting Alt to go more run Then also, what they're switching them sides to is what I read as well. So that one was kind of like it was funny. I'm listening to the Chargers guy and he goes I mean it's not what I would have done. So he's trying to be nice about saying I didn't like the pick, but you know it's not a bad question.

Speaker 1: 38:36

That's a hard ball to answer without question and hearing that Gus Edwards reminds without question, I know I mean for me it was reminding me, because it was reminding me of somebody. I know that already. So this whole that that pick was that was that's a hardball. Uh, michigan part two plan I see it coming together already, but go ahead I think I was about to jump in yeah.

Speaker 2: 38:58

So I mean for me it was um, you know the seahawks, I give them a b plus they, they definitely went um, they went for need right. And, going into the draft, the things I knew we needed more than anything else was defensive line help and interior offensive line. And so our first pick goes to the best defensive tackle, or, yeah, defensive tackle in the draft, right In Byron Murphy, right. And then our next pick, we get the. We got the best, you know, true, guard in Chris.

Speaker 1: 39:36

Haynes.

Speaker 2: 39:37

I mean the those two things were huge for for the Seahawks, so I liked those spots. Another one that I really liked was they picked up in the sixth round. Oh sorry, fifth round a Nima Pritchett, which is a cornerback out of Auburn.

Speaker 1: 39:58

But so what?

Speaker 2: 40:01

I out of Auburn, get him. So what I like about this pickup is obviously you get some depth at corner. He's not going to be a starting corner we have those but what I liked about what he brings is because of he was their kick returner and with the new kick return rules he'll be a huge asset on special teams. And then you still have him to be able to pop in if you're running. You know, like a dime package or something like that. You have that depth at corner. So I like what he can bring. It was a nice late round pickup so you know you didn't invest a lot if he isn't that guy, but with the way that the new kickoff rule is, I think he can get a big role in that way. And then they did go and get some depth at tight end, which they desperately needed also since they traded away all their tight ends except Fant. So you walk in the tight end room and you're like it's Noah Fant.

Speaker 1: 41:01

So you walk in the tight end room and you're like it's Noah Fant, and then you look around and you're like oh, it's Noah Fant. I know AJ Braun, I'm sorry, so I'm just saying it's that.

Speaker 3: 41:13

Will Smith meme from Fresh Prince. 100% it is yes.

Speaker 2: 41:17

Sorry, Mr.

Speaker 2: 41:18

E my bad. I liked what they did because they also grabbed an offensive tackle with the last pick. They grabbed a guard out of Utah, which should be good, so I mean they really started to address the things that they needed. They added a linebacker also with their third pick. So I mean I like what Seattle did. You know a lot of people were thinking they'd get a quarterback. I thought that was kind of a low percentage pick. But if if Penix was to fall to him, they would have grabbed him, Cause they did make some phone calls about potentially moving up inside the top 10 to go get him, so but you would have had to give up so much to do it, so uh. But as soon as he was off the board they went for need and uh, and really they, they plugged a lot of, or at least patched some holes. I wouldn't say they plugged them yet, but you know we'll see how they play together now I've seen aj barnett michigan, obviously but how do you feel?

Speaker 1: 42:15

how have you seen any of his work? Do you are you confident about him being behind Fant?

Speaker 2: 42:21

Yeah, it has tight end too. That works. Yeah, no, I mean he's good at what he does. I think the thing that is really good about him is he is a blocking tight end. He has good hands but he will block, and the way that Seattle routinely plays football, they need to tie down the blocks.

Speaker 1: 42:43

He does that, he can catch passes as well. Yeah, exactly Mama's own point with it. It seems like sports have more drama than old school daytime soaps.

Speaker 2: 42:52

There's no doubt.

Speaker 1: 42:54

It's a funny story and I can laugh about it now because I'm healed. I used to watch all of these. So shows coming up, what I mean the ones that you forgot about were on. I was watching all that stuff. I had it bad. So daytime drama for me is like I don't watch no daytime drama at all, nothing like that. So all this stuff that be going on, I'm running as fast as I can because that's my old addiction. That's funny.

Speaker 1: 43:24

But as far as what our team did, I followed the Giants and the Chargers. You guys know that already. I thought the all pick was funny for the Chargers but because I know who's running this whole show, it's not really a big surprise to me. I know what he's trying to build out there. I really wanted him real bad. I love Gustavus, but he's in a good place. He's going to get run. He'll probably be more durable than Eckler, even though I think Eckler was flashier in some ways. But they got a good situation going on out there With neighbors.

Speaker 1: 44:01

I think her state of stated that it was the pick. You had to make it, especially if you didn't like being a quarterback. I agree with that one too. I heard it all was at the top of the chart, which is like surprising a little bit, because I thought he was a left tackle. But they got him listed as right tackle. So now it makes sense that he'd be at the top of the chart, which I didn't think before. I would see an LT for him. Every time I looked for the entire several weeks leading up to the draft, he was never a right tackle on it and that's what I could find. It was always left tackle. So I'm like we ain't going to pick him, we already got one. But now I see him I'm like, wow, I think he's going to be our choice if he was available. So neighbors were smart. I think I guess they've ever given DJ something he never had before. Besides protection. He's our number one wide receiver. So this is it. I mean he takes all the boxes Unlimited upside. In my opinion, game-breaking-breaking ability. I mean you can give him a little bit. He can make a lot out of it. Can't say much about that. And what it also helps us do is get all the other guys that were, like you know, a little higher than they should be in the depth chart, where you belong. So this would help in a lot of different ways. Push back where they need to be at.

Speaker 1: 45:24

Love the Tyler Newman pick Everybody loved me. People kind of split on McKinney. You go on Giants Twitter. Some people love him, some people are like, ah, we good, newben checks all the boxes there too.

Speaker 1: 45:36

I'm loving the Theo Johnson pick. I'm going to go through the whole draft, but I love the Theo Johnson pick. I mean, he's got a tight end that I like, not like Mark Brevard, but a little bit reminds me of that, a little flash of that. He blocks catches, passes, contested catches he just dominates in that regard. He's tall, catches passes, contests the catches he just dominates in that regard. He's tall, he got speed. I mean, no matter what Darren Wallace decides to do, we got a really, really good guy as a replacement or understudy until he decides to make a decision there. So I'm happy with the draft.

Speaker 1: 46:11

I'm not going to give us an A because I'm not sure about what the quarterback's going to do there. Phillips, I mean, he's explosive and he's a great defender, but he takes good angles. But I think the lack of interceptions is what I'm wondering about, whether because of Kentucky or some other reason. I'm not sure why that was, but I'm reserving judgment on that part. I like the other guys tracy and uh, more so I like, I think, with a good draft, I'm giving them a b plus for it too. Uh, the charges that I had an excellent draft. So I give them an a minus for that one. But I like what's going on there, man. But any of the surprises about the draft that you saw beside pennix, I know that was the biggest surprise. I know you said you had a second surprise. That was like kind of shocking to you. What was that?

Speaker 3: 46:59

The bills.

Speaker 3: 47:00

The bills was my, was my number two yeah, with the way they're trading and then I guess, number three, like I said, just the overall. I think you had a lot of defenders, you know, maybe going in round two that you thought would go around one, but they just decided to ignore defense for the longest time, you know. So, like for us. You know, specifically alabama, kool-aid was our number one corner for most of the year, kind of slid into the number two role, um, and then he goes in the second round, you know, to the saints and it's like the people, oh, did something happen to him?

Speaker 3: 47:32

I said no, they just didn't pick off. You know, they didn't pick a defensive player forever. So that kind of happened and I think the Pennix, going where he went, kind of had a trickle down effect. You know the Broncos definitely end up with Knicks, but I think the Raiders cause you had mentioned them before had an outside. You know they were probably one that was considering that and all of a sudden he goes at eight and you're like and then Minnesota moves up for McCarthy. You're like, well, we're not trading up to get Bo Nix.

Speaker 3: 47:58

So you know, it's like if he falls to us you're gonna take him but you're not giving up draft capital. You know what I mean. So, um, I think there was just a lot of two different things there doing offense, and then the quarterbacks just had a big trickle-down effect on how the rest of the draft went.

Speaker 2: 48:15

I mean. So on the quarterback front, the one that was a little bit of a surprise was the Vikings giving up what they did to move up one spot to get JJ.

Speaker 1: 48:25

That was fucking true.

Speaker 2: 48:27

That didn't make a lot of sense, like they got two good picks, right, but they gave up a ton of picks to make those picks happen and in both situations they didn't need to move to get the guy they wanted. So I mean, it didn't, it didn't make any sense. And then, of course, when you look at the Broncos, they get Bo Nix and you know he's a good quarterback. I just don't know that he's going to be ready. He's one of those guys that I thought needed to sit a year to be ready. Uh, he's one of those guys that I thought needed to sit a year, right, right. And so now you have a quarterback room of stidham, wilson and nicks yeah, none of none of them seem like they're ready to play and another great news.

Speaker 3: 49:08

The first thing announced was oh, we're not picking up the uh, the option for wilson.

Speaker 2: 49:12

I was like we knew that, like I don't know, yeah, yeah, no, this, yeah, that was never going to be a thing. Uh, if your last name is wilson, uh, you're not getting extended we don't, we don't, we don't by the way, that was the funniest thing about the thing.

Speaker 3: 49:26

I saw broncos not picking up wilson's extension. I was like didn't they trade him? I had to actually go click on this article just to figure out.

Speaker 2: 49:32

I was like, oh, oh, totally forgot Zach Wilson had already gotten there, so yeah, yeah, yeah, well, and I think that's more or less what's going to happen to Zach Wilson is you're mostly just going to forget he's there.

Speaker 1: 49:43

Right Before we do that.

Speaker 2: 49:45

Sean Payton likes Stidham. Yeah, what's that?

Speaker 3: 49:48

But everybody likes. Stidham until they don't, yeah. So on this one right here, the only, so the big three, he wasn't going to get drafted in front of right. So then you got Brian, thomas, xavier, worthy, then Pearsall. So are you saying that he's better than Thomas, which I don't agree with? I think a lot of people really considered him great talent and wide receiver four. So are you really just arguing Pearsall versus Worthy, because those are the only people who picked ahead of him.

Speaker 1: 50:18

Honestly, I don't know. I don't know if Pearsall is better than Worthy. I don't know.

Speaker 3: 50:22

Yeah, and Worthy got more touch for his speed and I should have taken more notes because there was a guy who a draft evaluated was actually like ripping his game apart and I was like for only person. I've really kind of heard talk about it. You know they're like outside of the speed, this is missing. This is missing Doesn't do great, you know what I mean. So maybe if that's what you're talking about, but I wouldn't have put Pierce above the top three and I wouldn't have put him against Brian. And I'm going to be more biased towards, like you know, thomas, cause he played LSU. I've seen him more in person but I wouldn't put him up against those.

Speaker 2: 50:57

But I mean he's a six wide receiver off the board.

Speaker 3: 51:04

So I think it says more about what does San Francisco going to do with Debo and IU Like. Can we get a resolution to that?

Speaker 1: 51:08

I wish we had time to get into that. I have some questions about that one, but you know what. Let's try to do that. Let me make this quick point about the Patriots, real quick. Maybe we can jump into that question. We got time, yeah, um, the Drake May pick. I mean I'm not really sure about that one. I'm not sure that they even sure because you got Joe Milton later on in the draft. So it's like okay, you got joel milton because you want what to happen.

Speaker 1: 51:37

I asked you about joel milton, I think about a week ago, two weeks ago, before I went on vacation, and you guys run high on joel milton at all and your reasons for it were valid. Here they go picking a quarterback super high in the draft and then then you get Joe Milton at the back, like they only have needs, like you ain't got other needs. So I don't. It's a surprise to me. I don't understand what they're doing. We'll see it all play out, but for me I'm like I don't get that move Right. If Drake Mays it, then he's it. Feel other spots, don't get somebody behind him who has no chance to do anything back there. So I don't really get that part. But other than that we can move along, but I don't know.

Speaker 3: 52:27

So they said the coach himself said his upside, his cannon arm size and running abilities which the running abilities weren't. The only team he saw I saw him really scramble against was Alabama. So no, I don't think it. I don't think that's it. The cannon arm is great, but I mean that's what they said about DeMarcus Russell and it was like none of the, none of the other stuff, no touch on anything else. So I don't get the move. Yeah, I didn anything else.

Speaker 1: 52:56

I don't get the move. Yeah, I didn't either.

Speaker 3: 52:58

If you're spending the first bit, yeah, no, I wouldn't do that either.

Speaker 1: 53:02

So how about the Debo and Brandon IU thing? They can probably figure it out, maybe, and figure out with the money, but it feels like something's going on there. Do you guys get that same impression?

Speaker 3: 53:13

Well, I understood with IU, because I guess they're not wanting to pay money because they also got Purdy, I guess, coming up and they're trying to figure out where their money's going to go. And you're already paying McCaffrey. But Debo, I mean, we've talked about it he kind of makes that whole thing go when he's on the field because of all the different stuff he can do.

Speaker 1: 53:30

You've seen it. He's not there, right? You see what happened, right, it's flat. I don't know. Are these guys staying or what? In your estimation? Are they staying with this team, or is Pearsall the number one for real?

Speaker 2: 53:44

I mean, it looks like they're staying as it sits, but it's going to work itself out at the end of this year because they got a lot of people to pay. This is that season where, if the Niners are going to get over the hump and actually get a ring, this is that year because the cap is going to start to dismantle this thing at the end of this season yep, yep, even San Francisco guys say the same thing.

Speaker 3: 54:07

So they're all on the same page with you both.

Speaker 2: 54:08

Like they're like here, it's about to come up yeah, I mean they just have too many contracts that are going to come up at the same time. You're not going to be able to finesse your way through it. You're going to lose players. I think why they were entertaining the move Iuke is you can get some draft capital in return, as opposed to just losing the guy for nothing.

Speaker 3: 54:28

If they could have got one of the big three, I think they would have gone for it for sure, Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 54:32

Surprised they couldn't get anything for him. Or Debo Debo? He does take some time off every year.

Speaker 2: 54:43

I think, iuke, they probably wanted too much for him.

Speaker 3: 54:51

If you're going to be able to draft one of the top three wide receivers, I'd rather just draft one of those guys and have them play on a rookie contract. Then exactly get iu. So and that's a fair point like I said, I was more partial to him because I saw him more and I saw what he did against us. So I'm definitely a biased person as far as that goes. I just didn't know that pierce, so I was using him more as a comparison because they said pierce should have been higher and I was like which one? I didn't know that Pearsall. I was using him more as a comparison because they said Pearsall should have been higher and I was like which one I don't know, I don't know what that means Like somebody who they think was talented and I don't. I didn't think Malik Willis would go that high. So I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 55:25

Yeah, well, and to answer you know, jeremy, here Xavier has great speed and he does, he is an absolute burner.

Speaker 1: 55:35

You know what You're. Something else, man, you ain't writing back.

Speaker 3: 55:42

But I think Stevie Wonder can hit a couple guys with a mortar yeah right, that's what I was thinking he can hit better than we can. I would trust Stevie Wonder with a mortar more than I would trust Joe Milton with a five-yard out.

Speaker 1: 55:57

Oh my goodness, that's fair.

Speaker 2: 56:00

So the problem with Xavier is, I mean, he's incredibly fast, right. The problem is he doesn't have the best hands ever, right?

Speaker 1: 56:09

No, that would be critical.

Speaker 2: 56:12

So he is. Remember the guy from the Replacements Right, orlando Brown. There we go. Yes, I forget what his character's name was, but yeah, like he's that guy Like incredibly fast.

Speaker 3: 56:31

Has terrible hands Like he needs to stick them.

Speaker 2: 56:36

So, I mean Hopefully, that's something he can work through and get some softer hands so he makes more catches. But um, but I mean, if him and, uh, you know, mahomes can get on the same page, that's a, that's a dangerous combo yep but if he's out there dropping passes.

Speaker 3: 56:51

It'll just just be like last year or the year before.

Speaker 2: 56:54

Yeah, it'll just be Kadarius Tony, part 2, a faster version.

Speaker 1: 56:56

Yes, Just a couple things we'll have to pencil in for Monday with Roger Goodell and then that poll question that we had. We don't have time for it now, so we're going to have to hold that one off. But I want to get back to that question or that comment that I think Jeremy made. I want to get you to speak to that Herb real quick about Neil. Like I said, I'm glad he got bumped back. I think that's what he needs to be. I wish he was at guard. I think he'd be better there. But any comments on this point here? Do you see, moving Neil would have been a great move. Yeah, perhaps, but I don't think that was even in the cars. Nobody would even think about doing that I think it'd be a great move.

Speaker 3: 57:41

And it also I mean, you got to recoup something. You drafted this guy high like you it's not, you don't necessarily want to give up on them, but if you can do like they're saying, getting in the guard and recoup something from him and help the line at the same time, and I'd love that move. You know, obviously Alabama guy, I'm hoping he does well. And it's like how many times will we apologize for his play on the show? We're like, we're so sorry man, we're so sorry.

Speaker 1: 58:06

I'm like if Herb likes him, he must be good. So I was like pumped and amped and it's like, and he got out there. I'm like, oh my God.

Speaker 2: 58:13

There we go, clifford Franklin there it is.

Speaker 3: 58:19

That's the character's name, just called it up.

Speaker 1: 58:23

He sounded like a stud, don't he? Clifford Franklin Sounded like a stud.

Speaker 3: 58:26

He was fast, he just couldn't catch it.

Speaker 1: 58:30

How many guys have you seen come to the league with that kind of?

Speaker 3: 58:34

The Raiders used to love drafting them, man.

Speaker 1: 58:37

They sure did. Those guys were just super fast. Yeah, I don't want to say their name, I don't want to do something because they got stuff going on.

Speaker 2: 58:43

Yeah, the Raiders were king at it. They'd draft track stars and then forget that you still got to catch stuff.

Speaker 3: 58:48

Yep. I know we don't want to mention Ruggs and other stuff but Ruggs, but there was another one before him. Oh yeah, what's that? Four or five years before. I can't remember his name, but it was the same exact situation. He wasn't the highest rated wide receiver, they took him early and they were like he's a burner and I think it took him four years to like get to the point where he was decent with his hands and not everything.

Speaker 1: 59:13

It's funny when you see some of those guys with hands of stone.

Speaker 3: 59:16

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 59:18

Why you do that, herb? Now I gotta find that guy's name now. Oh man, that's gonna eat at me if I don't get his name now. Why you do that man?

Speaker 3: 59:27

Darius Bay, wasn't it Darius Bay?

Speaker 1: 59:30

That wasn't Haywood Bay. That's different. This guy was short but fast. I know who you're talking about too. His name is not coming to me, I don't even know what year it was, and, of course, while they look it, up, be sure, if you're watching, to like and subscribe.

Speaker 2: 59:53

Oh man.

Speaker 3: 59:54

Come on man.

Speaker 1: 59:59

We got to find that knacker. Now I'm like, oh yeah, I remember that guy. I thought he was going to flame out anyway. That's definitely what happened. He flamed all the way out, taylor.

Speaker 3: 1:00:07

Bay is who I was thinking about, because he was a burner who never caught the ball. So, you go read his profile. It's all about his speed and never about anything else it ain't that long ago either.

Speaker 1: 1:00:22

It was before Ruggs. It's not that long ago.

Speaker 3: 1:00:25

Will Tua's brother get signed or whatever? No, so here's the thing about Tua's brother, talia he was petitioning to get an extra year to go back to school. I think that tells you all that you need to know about, like his draft potential and his, his potential NFL.

Speaker 2: 1:00:41

He was like he seems like one of those guys that will be a undrafted free agent and then someone will bring him into the rookie mini camp yeah, to get an in-person view of what it is he can be, and that'll probably be it.

Speaker 3: 1:01:00

Yeah, if I was playing against a mobile quarterback, I could bring him in on the scout team and he could probably replicate that for me in practice, exactly, but there was just never. And I hate knocking, you know. I mean, obviously he came to Alabama for you and went to Maryland. We always rooted for him, but you got to be realistic about your next level, you know and there was just never any great consistency from him. And then, like I said, he wanted to go back to school for a year.

Speaker 1: 1:01:25

So yeah, Well, it's time for us to shut it down, guys, but this has been big fun. Thanks, herb, for taking the time to jump in with us. Man, I know you're busy out there. Raj, I don't know where you are. Brother, hope all is well. We miss you, man.

Speaker 3: 1:01:37

And I apologize, guys, for being late. I'll be good man.

Speaker 1: 1:01:40

You're good man, you're a blessing brother. We appreciate you, man. So, guys, for you, guys who have not don't know what's going on, it's not our normal Monday 9 am. The boys are back in town at our regular scheduled time. All right, or?

Speaker 2: 1:01:57

go to. West Coast 6 am.

Speaker 1: 1:01:59

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