Unpacking Sports Controversies: Umpire Performance, NFL Preseason Changes, and the NBA-NFL Crossover Debate

The boys and I are getting in front of some of the heated debates in sports as we dissect umpire performance in baseball, the implications of NFL preseason changes, and the controversial crossover of NBA stars into the football world (and that discussion is courtesy of Pat McAfee and NBA player Austin Rivers). Your day is about to get a whole lot more interesting with our latest roundtable where we don't just scratch the surface of sports talk. Strap in!

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Speaker 1: 0:32

Boom. Welcome back to the all-purpose pod for an all-purpose life. Wherever you are and however you're listening today, call me mr you. The podcast thanks again for making us a part of your morning, your day and your week, for your weekly mirror check. Before you change the world, baby, we're in the house this morning with Herb and Lodge and the Bowmeister Football Talk with Bow. How you guys doing this morning, the Joes in the house you ready, you know it, you juice up Yep Working on it anyway, let's go baby.

Speaker 3: 1:01

My first show without coffee in like.

Speaker 2: 1:04

No coffee yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:06

You're kidding me.

Speaker 3: 1:08

We're in a little condo about to check out. I don't even know how to work anything in here.

Speaker 1: 1:13

I'm going to get you some help.

Speaker 3: 1:16

If I nod off in the middle, it's not you guys, it's me.

Speaker 4: 1:19

I thought that was one of those. You forgot to go to the store and now you're just sad. Home is stocked up.

Speaker 3: 1:22

Home is where everything you're just saying, home is stocked up. Home is where everything is and how it works. It's stocked up.

Speaker 1: 1:29

No, sir, that's not good. That's not good at all. Well, we got a bit of an abbreviated show today. Not much, it's about a little bit. But go ahead and say hi to some folks, all right. Good morning, gwen. Thank you for joining us. Good morning, good to see you in the house this morning. Thank you for joining us, wayne. We appreciate you so much. Keep those comments going. You're ruling the comment section out there. You're winning the show out there. Keep it going, baby.

Speaker 3: 1:54

I didn't drink coffee until this show. Yeah, I didn't drink coffee until this show. Now, like Monday and Wednesday morning every week, we change your life, man. That's right.

Speaker 4: 2:04

Leave it to a guy from Seattle to help you create a bad habit.

Speaker 1: 2:10

Let's get into some things. Normally we don't spend. I guess it's time to own this for what it is, because I've been fighting it for a little while. This is the football show. We talk about baseball and basketball at times, but at the end of the day, this is a football show. Let's not confuse things any further. But at the same time, we got fans that watch baseball and basketball and they want to talk about some stuff. So I'm going to do something a little bit different today. I'm going to give you a little taste of what's going on in baseball, the things that matter to us, and we'll talk about it a little bit. So hang on in here. We're going to chat about it right about now.

Speaker 3: 2:46

Okay, here we go. How to get better.

Speaker 2: 2:59

Pass Quintino man. He sees the first pitch slider.

Speaker 5: 3:05

He takes calls right away.

Speaker 3: 3:06

Is this Angel?

Speaker 1: 3:08

No, it's Buckner.

Speaker 3: 3:09

Is that CB Buckner or someone?

Speaker 1: 3:11

Yeah, everybody's on this list today, so it's not just Buckner and Hernandez.

Speaker 4: 3:17

You know, to be fair, he's calling that very consistently.

Speaker 2: 3:20

Yeah, At least as a batter you know where that strike zone is, because he's calling that same location everywhere.

Speaker 1: 3:30

It just works though.

Speaker 4: 3:35

I mean, that's a ball.

Speaker 1: 3:41

Oh my.

Speaker 2: 3:43

So his whole box is just low.

Speaker 3: 3:46

It's just his box has shifted down.

Speaker 4: 3:51

His box is the same size.

Speaker 3: 3:54

It's just. Honestly that's what it is. It's just.

Speaker 4: 3:58

The whole thing is just dropping a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:03

Oh my.

Speaker 3: 4:04

My, my, my, my you got a better chance of bouncing one in the dirt for a strike than you do oh that's coming.

Speaker 1: 4:09

Hold on for that. It's coming For real. That one's coming up.

Speaker 3: 4:13

But yeah, I mean his distance below the box is. I mean it is as close to even as you can get.

Speaker 4: 4:24

I mean I like it, but I mean at least it's consistent.

Speaker 5: 4:27

He's getting changed.

Speaker 4: 4:28

I think he's getting changed and he takes call strike three. Oh my.

Speaker 1: 4:38

God.

Speaker 2: 4:55

He did a pretty good job framing that though he takes strike three.

Speaker 3: 4:58

That's all. Come on, oh my God, I also don't mind as much when there's a bad frame.

Speaker 2: 5:04

All the pitchers. Jonathan Potter has called off the plate today. That was right over the third of the strike zone.

Speaker 1: 5:12

Oh, my gosh, he's past his knees.

Speaker 5: 5:14

That one's money Strike two down the field in here in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1: 5:20

We are underway with a strike on the inside man. Come on, dude Wow.

Speaker 4: 5:26

I mean, I did see one the other day that didn't even catch it, it was so low, it was called a strike it went between his legs and went to the backstop that is high dude, oh come on One of the things that has affected some of these calls this year.

Speaker 4: 5:54

Now don't get me wrong, some of this is on your hump for sure. Oh, come on man, that's not no strike dude. Some of the catchers are moving forward in their box and it's actually why there is a record-setting pace of catcher interference this year, because he was trying to frame so closely that the batters in the swing hit him right in the forearm and broke his arm. But so this year they're starting to teach the catchers to move forward in their stance.

Speaker 2: 6:37

And so you're getting a lot more of different interference because they're trying to steal pitches.

Speaker 4: 6:45

Where are we as a game if you don't call that strike?

Speaker 1: 6:49

Last year. It's really Pretty good.

Speaker 5: 6:56

You got to get in that. That's a strike.

Speaker 3: 6:58

That's a strike, that's a strike, that's a strike.

Speaker 5: 7:02

Oh man.

Speaker 1: 7:04

That's more than enough.

Speaker 1: 7:05

I think, but man, that's more than enough, I think. But, man, okay. So there was some backlash that I heard coming out of the Yankees camp with Aaron George. I'll get you guys seen I didn't have the video for that but a lot of talk from players like Tino Martinez, max Scherzer from Texas. He's talking about getting a system for the umpires.

Speaker 1: 7:30

Now, I know players got that kind of stuff and we see it a lot. Well, I see it. I think, mostly in baseball more than anywhere else. Well, no, yeah, in baseball, but to some degree in football as well, if players aren't playing well, they start seeing less time on the field and in baseball's case, they get demoted. Scherzer was suggesting that they actually rank the umpire, which is something that probably isn't happening, or he wouldn't have to suggest it. To my ranking him, the majority of the umpires, he's saying they're really good, but there's got to be some kind of system in place and the worst performance gets sent to the minor leagues, which doesn't sound like it's a revolutionary idea, but it does make some sense. If they're not performing well, if they have a high ratio of missed calls, send them down to the minor so they can work their craft the same way as somebody who's not batting well does, or somebody who's not pitching well.

Speaker 4: 8:24

A regulation-type thing for umps. Does it make sense, though somebody who's not batting well does, or somebody who's not pitching well, a regulation type thing for, uh, I mean, I wouldn't be mad at it.

Speaker 1: 8:31

I mean, a guy like, uh, angel hernandez would be doing, you know, little league at this point I think he can go down to uh single a and I have to go all the way down to Little.

Speaker 2: 8:45

League, I'd send him to the neighborhood.

Speaker 4: 8:50

It's not even baseball anymore, it's kick the can.

Speaker 1: 8:55

Those parents would probably turn into an angry mob and just put him down. I wouldn't even put that on him. He can definitely do something. I think going down to the umpire the umpire is going down to, uh, the minor leagues sounds good to me. I mean, I don't know if you guys are thinking, but we can't the announcers not even talking about the game anymore, they talk about umpire. And get ready for this. Reset your expectations, because this is what's going to happen today. This is how the game's going to go. You know that's how they start the game off. When you see these bad calls early in the game, that's where they're starting off at. It's not a good look. I mean, I don't know where the game is heading. What do you guys think about where the game is heading right now overall? I mean, this is just one little situation in a list of many things, but how are you seeing the game heading so far?

Speaker 1: 10:20

I mean if you keep getting stuff like this, we're headed towards the robo. I was hoping you wouldn't say that.

Speaker 4: 10:23

Yeah, I mean, that's where you're headed, though, like the worse that the pitch count gets called, the closer we are to the automated pitch Right. You'll still have, you'll still have one behind the plate. You're still going to have, you know, your other refs out there. But at the end of the day, you know balls and strikes may be done by camera and then plays on the field to be done by the umps on the field.

Speaker 3: 10:51

Okay, herb. No, I agree, I think that's the only if it gets to be very bad and they don't decide to start regular. Because, I agree, I think that's the only if it gets to be very bad and they don't decide to start regular. Because, I mean, I guess in all sports is it the same where your punishment is, you get less postseason but you still get the regular season.

Speaker 1: 11:08

I heard that, but I don't know if I ever seen it.

Speaker 3: 11:10

I know it does in other sports. I know in other sports, for sure.

Speaker 4: 11:14

It is definitely a thing. It's why Hernandez hasn't had any meaningful postseason games. It's also why I don't think he's allowed to do the All-Star game either.

Speaker 1: 11:28

We don't want you near anything good. I'm confident that you say it's a thing. I'm confident by that. That makes me feel good inside, almost like this coffee. But if he can ruin a regular season, how is that helpful? Right, and I'm sayinged by that, that makes me feel good inside, almost like this coffee. But if you can ruin a regular season, how is that helpful?

Speaker 3: 11:40

Right, and I'm saying that's the problem, that's in across all sports. They wait till you majorly mess, like in the NFL. You majorly mess up and they announce, yeah, they're not doing any more postseason games or anything like that it's because it's a union.

Speaker 4: 11:55

You know so. It's incredibly hard to actually fire somebody. Being bad at your job in a normal job gets you fired. Being bad at your job in a union, you don't just get fired, right, they got to write you up and it's got to happen so many times and it has to be exactly the same way. There's so many bylaws and unions that protect you, which you know is the idea of a union. But the problem is, if you got somebody that's just bad at their job, it's next to impossible to actually fire them, and so that is exactly how these umpire unions are set up, is you can be all but throwing games and keep your job.

Speaker 1: 12:39

I want to fire them. Send them down. Send them down, we got, we got. Are we single a down here or Charleston river? I don't know if that's single a or double a down here.

Speaker 4: 12:51

It's 189. It's a different organization. It's the problem.

Speaker 1: 12:55

No, no, no, no. That's my point on this. I'm saying that up high down here, they, not they go grandstanding down here. He's got the batting weight in nine. It's not, it's developmental in the purest form of the word.

Speaker 4: 13:09

I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is it's a different organization that heads up the refs, right? So it's not like it's because, they can't send them right now yeah, you couldn't send them down because it'd be like.

Speaker 4: 13:24

It'd be like you're working for pepsi and you're like you know what, you're not getting it done, so we're gonna send you to coke, like that doesn't work, right, it's a different company, so it may be one thing. If you're like oh yeah, you're not making it here at pepsi, but we're gonna send you to diet pepsi, right, like okay, cool, you know same organization, but in this case it's not like a direct. You know, drop it's. You would have to change companies like it's that.

Speaker 3: 13:50

That's why that doesn't work plus at angel hernandez point like what good would that do? It's probably more insulting than anything else. But he's not getting better. It's too late, there's no improvement.

Speaker 1: 14:06

I know we're talking about it and we're having fun with it. We're filming videos. It works for us, for our purposes. Is this actually good for baseball? I guess that's my question. We'll have to answer it if you don't have the answer. Is this good for baseball to have all this drama? Is baseball cool with this? Or do people want to have some integrity in pitch counts and strikes and balls and stuff? Because you know?

Speaker 4: 14:29

So it's good in a way, because, at the end of the day, you have an incredibly long season for baseball and, unlike other sports, basketball has a little bit of this too. But unlike other sports, every game doesn't matter, right? You're going to, you're going to win 60 games. You're going to lose 60 games. It's going to be the other 40 games that make the difference in the whole in the whole year, right? Difference in the whole in the whole year, right? So there's some dry spots in a baseball season. So having things like this to talk about is kind of important, because it keeps the, it keeps the sport in front of you. Now, do I like it? No, I think it's frustrating. I don't want to watch bad sports.

Speaker 3: 15:16

Period, right you want the players to decide again yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4: 15:19

Well, I mean, even with that, I don't want to see bad players either, right, like, I mean, you know these? Guys are professionals I want to see. I want to see competent, you know umps. I want to see competent, play right, so um but I thought we all wanted that.

Speaker 4: 15:38

You would think the problem is is it is a really long season. There are dry spots throughout the year. So I mean it does help them fuel viewership because people are outraged and it gives them stuff to talk about. And at the end of the day, these are all marketing machines. So they want you, they want your eyes on their product all the time, even if it's not for the right reason.

Speaker 3: 16:02

Like it worked on the show right, so we're talking about it.

Speaker 1: 16:06

So, I guess, so, I guess, so, I guess. Here's the, here's the question. So outrageous, folks are going to watch more or watch less.

Speaker 4: 16:13

It's a valid question.

Speaker 1: 16:14

That's not a gimme.

Speaker 4: 16:16

It's what I've said a hundred times Is your haters will watch you more intently Than anybody else. Your friends and family People like your show. They will tune in when they can, when it's convenient, when they have the ability. Your haters Will watch every second of every episode so that they can try and Dispourage anything you've ever talked about. So embrace the hate If Alabama Standard Network and disparage anything you've ever talked about.

Speaker 3: 16:38

So embrace the hate On the Bama Standard Network where a lot of Alabama stuff. They have a guy on there. I won't say his name in case he does have it, but he's an Auburn fan. He watches every single show on the network. He is the most well-known fan on there because he watches and comments on every single show.

Speaker 4: 17:01

That is my whole point.

Speaker 3: 17:04

This is the most hilarious thing to watch. But watch, he gets in the chat. Everybody knows who he is instantly.

Speaker 4: 17:09

Yeah, haters are your best people ever they won't miss anything yeah.

Speaker 1: 17:16

We got some folks in the conversation that are not here. Let's go ahead and say good morning to them. Good morning to the second half of the Herb and Raj podcast you can find every Tuesday evening at 9 pm EST. Good morning, sir. Hope all is well with you. We're those beautiful babies of yours. Good morning to the man cave. My guy wakes me up on TikTok every morning. Thank you, brother. Hope you're doing well out there. We got an NBA-related question. We're going to hold that for a second because we had an interesting conversation offline about Kevin Durant and his legacy. You might want to touch that in a little bit. But first I want to chat and kind of catch back up to what we were talking about with the Roger Goodell-Hayden preseason situation. I got a little piece of audio from the Pat McAfee show where he interviewed Roger Goodell. I want you guys to hear this. Tell me what you hear and then let me know what you think. After this it should be about a minute or so long. All right, ready.

Speaker 2: 18:11

This feels good now, Like at the beginning. I think a lot of players and I don't want to talk for in the locker room there's probably a lot of offense, alignment and things like that are telling me to shut the hell up as fans. It's like 17 games has just become like status quo. Is there a thought of adding another one, maybe adding another bi-week, so we can get more exposure, more TV deals, or where are we good at 17 right now?

Speaker 5: 18:31

Well, I think we're good at 17 now. But listen, we're looking at how we continue. I'm not a fan of the preseason. I don't think we need preseason.

Speaker 2: 18:38

Waste of time, right and energy.

Speaker 5: 18:40

I don't buy it and I don't think these guys like it either.

Speaker 2: 18:43

Well, that's a full price. What? Are the tickets for those kids.

Speaker 5: 18:47

No, they're actually discounted now.

Speaker 2: 18:49

Thank you for getting that.

Speaker 5: 18:50

Thank you, thank you but the reality is I, but the reality is, you know, I think I'd rather replace a preseason game with a regular season any day. That's just picking quality, right. So if we got to 18-2, that's not an unreasonable thing. The other thing it does, which I thought you were going to, is that ends up on President's Day weekend, which is a three-day weekend, which makes it Sunday night, and then you have Monday.

Speaker 2: 19:18

So that's Now we're cooking.

Speaker 5: 19:20

Can you talk to?

Speaker 2: 19:21

the president about having the Monday after Super Bowl. Often Is there a plan to continue to Well?

Speaker 1: 19:31

Go ahead, guys Fire away.

Speaker 4: 19:33

Here's the thing Is do I like the idea of it? I mean, I guess, sure, right, because the games matter, and I mean, yeah, on its face, sure, that sounds okay. The problem is is, if you watched football this year, there was only three preseason games and what did the first two games of the season look like? They looked like preseason games because none of your starters had any of those practice reps, because not even all the teams played starters at all in the preseason, which means those first couple of games of the regular season are preseason games. You're watching really ugly, sloppy football. You're seeing bad timing between quarterbacks and receivers. You're seeing atrocious offensive line play because you're not allowed to hit people in practice, you're not allowed to actually go hard during OTAs, during practice, during preseason. So your first live reps as a starter is in the regular season.

Speaker 4: 20:31

I don't love that. I mean plus, you know the guys that used to get hurt week one of the preseason or you know thereabouts or just before. Used to get hurt week one of the preseason or you know thereabouts or just before we're back and ready to play for the beginning of the season, because most injuries are, you know, three to six weeks. Now you're looking at, all of these guys are going to start getting hurt. Week one, week two, they miss half the season. Now, right? So as much as I appreciate the idea of, hey, let's have more regular season games and you know people want to watch the games that matter there's a lot of, there's a lot of things that go into those preseason games and you know practice and OTAs that they're not allowed to do anymore, that are actually hurting the product once they finally hit TV, because those first two weeks made all 16 games look like Thursday night games and so that I didn't love.

Speaker 3: 21:25

Herb. I get, like I said where he's coming from and I like the comment in there. If we're getting down to two preseason games, we need some starters. In those two games You're going to have to get some reps. The problem is they went from four to three and then the starters would play less than a quarter or something. It's like Bo I'm taking a point from something you've mentioned before A lot of guys don't feel like things have really started until you get hit once and you get that live action, that rep.

Speaker 3: 21:54

Now you're not feeling that at all until, like you said, what is it? Middle of the first quarter? Maybe you take your first round, you get hit Like, oh, now I'm in the game. Yeah, great bro, we've missed. You know, you missed a lot of action here, so it is fun. And then I guess, as a fan, I like 18 games, but at the same time I'm like, yeah, the season was fine with 16 and 17 to get sorted out, like I don't know how many races are going to. You know, people think we're adding on 18 and we're going to get an exciting game. You know, like 90% of those 18 games are two teams are out of it altogether or one team that's clinched something and is resting all their starters anyway, so you're not going to get great football on that 18th week Exactly. Do we have one like Buffalo and Miami right? Was that the only game that kind of really really mattered coming down?

Speaker 4: 22:44

no, there was a couple. There was a couple coming down the stretch. Um, that that made a difference, right, because the south was terrible, so you didn't really know who was going to win that, uh. So I mean that's football, but yeah, it was division right, right, right.

Speaker 4: 22:59

No, you're right, I was wrong on that one so I mean, the odds of you getting good football there to your point is really low. So, um, yeah, I don't love it, and mostly because I'm watching the nfl, because I want to see a polished product. If I want to see something that isn't polished and there's a couple of guys balling out but the rest of it is kind of mistake prone, I'm going to watch college football because that's exactly what that product is. Right, you got four or five all-stars on a team and then everybody else's dudes. Right, they're just, they're just another guy. And you're not going to watch a well-oiled machine. For the most part you're going to watch a couple of stars really light it up and you're going to watch everybody else kind of miss some plays that you're like, ah, should have had that yep.

Speaker 3: 23:46

Future accountants of the world. Yeah, I say all this, but I will absolutely be watching week 18. So you know I'm probably a hypocrite.

Speaker 4: 23:53

I mean I'm watching the preseason games too, so I mean true that?

Speaker 1: 23:57

true? I don't think that's the question, though. I mean, I'm doing the same thing, you are, I'm watching 18 and they go 19.

Speaker 3: 24:04

I'll be complaining. This is terrible.

Speaker 1: 24:07

We definitely going to talk about it. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm challenged, I'm telling you a few things, but, like I said that, that that game, those games, at that point in the season, what are we seeing? I know, in January the 7th I think it was they were still playing meaningful games. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But it's like now, it's like talking about the preseason games. But I'm okay with not having four preseason games. I felt like that was you know what. That was right. The first two games you're going to see your starters, especially in the quarterback realm. Your starters maybe play a series or two, but that third or fourth one, you ain't seeing them. You're going to see everybody else and that's fine.

Speaker 4: 24:46

But Hold on. Hold on hold on.

Speaker 1: 24:50

Getting rid of it completely. That doesn't make sense to me, because what we're going to see week one is football that we ain't going to like. We talked about it last week, I think it was. We're going to see football that we ain't going to like. We ain't going to appreciate it. We were talking about it here on the show, on any podcast, will or NFL-related programming, but you ain't going to like it. You know why? Because that's going to be their practice. It's going to be their practice, but it's going to be live and the games are. When somebody's trying to go into either the wildcard, the playoffs or even to a Super Bowl, it's going to make a difference.

Speaker 1: 25:21

So I don't understand that part. It seemed like it's motivated towards something else I know Bo mentioned a couple weeks ago about money. I was shocked about the way that people were cheering on him. Like when did Matthew become the voice of the people? When did that happen? Because I'm like this is the second or third thing that happened that has something to do with him on his show and a rallying cry started up because of something that happened on his show. It was an Aaron Rodgers thing. It was two other things that happened besides this, I'm like he's a former player and you think that the preseason is not necessary, really?

Speaker 4: 25:56

Well, he was a kicker yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:58

I know that.

Speaker 3: 26:02

And that part of it is the players hate the older players hate playing any in it, yes, but then they are also the ones that seem to ignore the game. One was awful, you know what I mean. So exactly.

Speaker 1: 26:13

It's biased at least for him to say that it's really like wow, sure, I mean the other.

Speaker 4: 26:19

The other part that is a problem with going down to two is you still have your roster cuts to go from 90 to 53. You're gonna have two games to evaluate talent because again, you're not allowed to hit anybody in practice anymore. You're gonna have some joint practices but you're still not really going 100. So you got you got two meaningless games to try and evaluate cuts for 40 players I don't know how they can do that.

Speaker 3: 26:47

And then and then, aren't they going to expand the rosters too, if they? Uh, they said they're getting a couple more games. Were they talking about expanding rosters?

Speaker 4: 26:53

they were yeah, basically what it would do is they would add five um, but it was basically coming from your practice squad and you were still going to suit up the same amount. So even though they're on your active roster, you're still only suiting the same amount of guys for the games. At least that's the way it read. Obviously it's not a thing yet, so I'm sure it'll have some changes if it does ever come about. But you know, I don't know how you're going to evaluate talent. Week one is going to be some horrible football. You know we talk about a meaningless game in week 18.

Speaker 3: 27:37

You're also looking at a meaningful game that's going to look meaningless in week one. Yeah, we're going to start off the season terribly and end the season terribly.

Speaker 4: 27:43

Just hope you like everything in the middle. Yeah, so basically you're still gonna have 16 good games, right? And instead of having two pre-season games, we're gonna have two regular season pre-season games. This is essentially how that's gonna work out.

Speaker 1: 27:54

The only thing that's good about his idea is that a whole uh super bowl, we're having a the next day.

Speaker 4: 28:00

I mean that should have happened anyway.

Speaker 1: 28:01

That's the only good idea. Everybody was sick after the Super Bowl anyways. Everybody called in sick.

Speaker 3: 28:08

No work got done on that.

Speaker 4: 28:10

I was going to say even if you went in, all you did was talk about the Super Bowl all day anyway.

Speaker 1: 28:14

All day long, a cup of coffee in your hand, not doing nothing.

Speaker 3: 28:18

The only good thing to come after the Super Bowl is that Monday thing, everything else is just that Monday.

Speaker 4: 28:24

Thing. What's funny is the businesses that I owned the day after Super Bowl was a company holiday.

Speaker 1: 28:34

Good man Because.

Speaker 4: 28:36

I wasn't going to go in. I didn't expect any of the guys that worked for me to go in, and even if they did, I was just going to hand them money to not do any work anyway. I know how it works. So, yeah, it was definitely one of those. You know what? That Monday, that is a day off.

Speaker 1: 28:55

Yeah, cool, let's keep the train moving, baby, all right. So YouTube said he had a question about Austin Rivers. You guys got a comment on his comments.

Speaker 4: 29:04

before we talk about Kevin Durant again, I imagine he's talking about the 30 people from the NBA could play in the NFL.

Speaker 1: 29:12

I am positive he's talking about that. Yes, your comments on that.

Speaker 3: 29:17

There's 30 guys in the NBA that could play flag football, but that's about as far as I would take it.

Speaker 4: 29:23

Yeah, so let's just break it down to really what it is Right, usually, unless you're just incredibly tall. You tried to play football. You realize getting hit hurts and you became a basketball player.

Speaker 3: 29:40

That yes.

Speaker 4: 29:42

There's nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 3: 29:44

It's just a very real thing. Yeah, and that's why I say flag football. He's talking maybe athletically and maybe a build on a couple of these people, but I'm saying that's why I say flag. They can run around out there and they can maybe catch something, but they're not for contact, they're not ready. There's nobody going across the middle. You know it's 30 is outrageous.

Speaker 4: 30:06

I'd give you maybe two, I don't know well, and the thing that's funny about that is you. So if you take it at face value, you'd be like, okay, athletically, could they play? Sure, right. At the same time, athletically, there's 30 guys, guys in the NFL that could play basketball, there's no question, because a lot of them dudes, could dunk. A lot of them were dual sport guys in college, certainly in high school, so I mean they could definitely play.

Speaker 4: 30:35

There's the distinct difference is you got 53 guys on a roster. Distinct difference is you got 53 guys on a roster and you got 32 teams. Right, there's a lot more places you could put a guy where he could bury on a roster because he's just saying would he make? Would they make a roster? Sure, yeah, because you could. You could bury a guy you know in the 50th spot on a roster. On the other end, you have what 30 teams in the NBA and there's 12 guys on a roster. Well, obviously it's going to be harder to place 30 guys from the NFL Like that's, that's probably not a thing, because the rosters are just wildly different. It doesn't mean that guys from the NBA would actually play, but they might make a roster.

Speaker 3: 31:19

It's hilarious that he makes this comment, and he's definitely not one of the 30. So I don't know why you're the one who became the spokesperson. That was yeah.

Speaker 4: 31:28

Cause, what he he for his career, what he's averaging like nine points, two assists and two rebounds or something Like he's not exactly what zero all-stars maybe has one, I don't know.

Speaker 3: 31:39

But I mean, you're not the guy to champion this argument and I want you to name the 30, because it's like I'm watching the playoffs and I'm not watching any of these guys out there that I'm thinking oh, he'd be a great nfl player well, you know they always talk about oh, lebron could have been an awesome tight end.

Speaker 4: 31:57

it's like man, that dude cries so much I don He'd get his first hit.

Speaker 1: 32:01

Anyway, we more definitely ain't having that conversation.

Speaker 3: 32:05

The body type is why they say that. But the contact is what's going to throw everything else out and nobody else is built like him, austin Rivers is not aware of that.

Speaker 1: 32:15

In fact, he's actually a victim of it himself. Durability is the issue he's got to get hit on every play out here, not the same thing, and they can't handle this. On the par-K.

Speaker 3: 32:26

What he's hoping is, the guys he's mentioning would be like wide receivers and they just run go-routes all day and never get touched.

Speaker 1: 32:33

That's what he's hoping. Now. To be fair, if we go back to the 90s, if we go back to the 90s the only true error in NBA history, to be real, if we go back to that, I can pick some guys out that can play football by body type only not by skill. Who knows if they can even do anything, if they can even catch a pass? I don't even know. Nope, that's an assumption, we don't know that. But body type-wise I can pick out a whole bunch of guys Anthony Mason.

Speaker 3: 33:01

Mason was the first one that came to mind.

Speaker 1: 33:04

Is that funny? I think X-Man, xavier McDaniel, I can go on and on. I can pick guys out of that era easy. You know, Patrick you can go out and ask him. This era? I don't know about that, sir. I think that this guy just talked about it. Why are you even saying this? Anyway, are you trying to convince the world that NBA is not soft? You can't, because we got too much tape. We got too much video. Guys talking about.

Speaker 4: 33:31

oh, he hit me, that's the league is sponsored by Sharman. Like this is as soft as it gets.

Speaker 1: 33:39

Yeah, this, this is. Yeah, yeah, this is. This is not. Thank you for trolling, for sending the question out. We appreciate that, brother. I hope he answered it because you know I didn't agree with it.

Speaker 3: 33:50

I had to go look him up and I was like, yeah, this is stupid. And the dude cooked him for even saying it. He said you stepped on the football field, you wouldn't make it. We know that right now because you barely made it to the nba.

Speaker 4: 34:00

I think we're going to mcafee show again the voice of the guy championing this call like it was yeah, it was on the mcafee the voice of the people again speaks now if we, if we talk about a guy that's currently playing that probably could of uh westbrook, just by sheer anger alone, could probably have played right. He played so hard that he probably could have found his way on a roster.

Speaker 1: 34:24

Free safety right.

Speaker 3: 34:25

Oh, he would definitely love hitting people. He would have been that guy Right.

Speaker 4: 34:30

Either that or a running back right, like if he could have been one of those smaller running backs to just like, just get out and punish somebody.

Speaker 1: 34:38

Rob, you know what kind of call he would get.

Speaker 3: 34:40

Tripping. Tripping, he'd hit somebody in the nuts Any way to cheat it past. There's Bill.

Speaker 5: 34:49

Embier. What do you mean? A?

Speaker 3: 34:50

flag again. What did I do?

Speaker 4: 34:54

That blood on my knee is incidental he would just be the next era of Sue Real quick.

Speaker 1: 35:02

I want to jump in this real quick before we get into our final topic of the day. So we're talking offline about Kevin Durant and his legacy. We heard some stuff from different social media outlets. I think it's funny because when I look at his, his history, the whole composite, the whole history I don history I don't see what some people are talking about. So we talked about his legacy and I asked a question to the guys. I said is Kevin Durant top 25 all time? Now, if I put that on Twitter, I kind of know what the answer is. I'm going to get back. If you guys try, you probably what the answer is. I'm going to get back. If you guys try, you'll probably get the same answers. But I'm asking you guys right now and everybody listening to our show, all our guys in the comments section and ladies in the comments section is Kevin Durant top 25 of all time? What are you guys thinking? And we can recap what we were talking about offline too, if you'd like to. Real quick though please.

Speaker 3: 35:53

It's interesting that this one came up because as soon as they got swept, I was talking to people and saying does this not affect Kevin Durant's legacy? You know you can't get swept on teams that you're picking to go to. You know so that, and now you're looking at an MVP, two titles and two finals MVPs after you joined an already put together team. So yeah, I don't know, I would say no, but it's a list I'd have to look at. Talent-wise, is he like a top 25? Oh, absolutely, for his skill set and what he can do at his frame. Yeah, but what he's accomplished, especially after leaving the Golden State Warriors and the fact that the Warriors won another title after he left does not like help him at all.

Speaker 3: 36:38

Exactly, you picked your next two teams and they both lost. I'm going to say no, but I'd actually have to look at the people on that list. I do have to give him credit for what he did in the past, but his legacy is going downhill quickly.

Speaker 4: 36:51

Yeah, I mean, if you're evaluating just talent alone, sure, he's a top 25 player. Right, he's probably around the 25 mark, but he's a top 25 player. Right, he's probably around the 25 mark, but he's a top 25 player. Uh, the? The sound bite that I heard was you know, does all the coaching changes hurt his legacy? Right, because there's just not continuity on the team. And that's where I thought it was a hilarious argument, because you're looking at it as, okay, well, you created these bad situations and then due to disappointing play.

Speaker 4: 37:19

you essentially murdered the careers of the coaches that were there. That's not like you're creating this continuity issue. So I don't feel like that's hurting your legacy. The fact that you're creating the situations is what hurt your legacy. I mean, basically, you were trying to do what LeBron did and create these super teams. You just weren't good at it, Right Like. You created these teams, you manufactured them and then nothing performed. That's. That's not on anybody other than you, the one that jumped the ship, forced your way out of contracts, created a situation that didn't work. All that shows is you're not a good. You a good leader and you're not great at cultivating talent, and you certainly aren't someone that is elevating the people around you. So I don't think the continuity issue has anything to do with the coaches. I think it has everything to do with Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1: 38:14

I want to share a quote from him from the athletic, and then a part of the editorial on the same in the same article. We get your thoughts on both, all right. So this is what he said. The sham of the athletic. He says I don't care about legacy. I used to. I used to want to carve out a lane or space in this game for myself that people can remember, but it's become too much of a thing now. It just becomes too much of a focus on other people can remember, but it's become too much of a thing now. It just becomes too much of a focus on other people.

Speaker 1: 38:41

What he's done, what he's done, comparisons before, when we wasn't doing all this debating, I cared about it. I'm about to be in the same breath as these top guys. It was big. Nowadays I truly, truly don't care. I truly just want to go out there and produce, be the best that I could be, go home, hang with my family and that's it. That's what he's saying Now.

Speaker 1: 38:58

This gentleman I probably botched his last name Sharania Sharania, I think it's Sharania, I think it is. He was saying that Durant's probably a top 15 player of all time as a lock right now, first ballot Hall of Fame of lock. I'm like, okay, this is his thing. His reasoning for it is not strong to me. I want this is his. This is the thing. His reasoning for it is not strong to me. I want to hear you guys thought what he's saying is that kevin durant's ability to create his own shot, hit a jump over his defender he's tall, he's like 6, 10, right, so he should be able to do that even without a good look is unparalleled in league history. That was the only reason that he gave for this idea that kevin durant is probably top 15 all-time. First ballot hall of fame of luck.

Speaker 1: 39:39

Now, what do you guys think? You know, because for me I'm challenged with that. I wasn't joking about the top 25 thing. I can pick 25 guys I think are, I would say, better at basketball, because I feel like we're going into a slippery slope, but I think just better as far as overall accomplishments, what they've done. They've done it in, which is probably maybe more difficult, and some stats along with it. So those things kind of together as a conglomerate, or why I say he's probably in the top 25-ish for me, maybe even the top 30 realm. I can pick 25 guys if I have some time. I probably don't right now, but I can pick 25 guys. I think some time. I probably don't right now, but I can pick 25 guys. I think it's better than him in all those areas. Him in a hall of famer okay, but first ballot lock.

Speaker 5: 40:28

I don't know I don't know, I think in there he confused.

Speaker 3: 40:33

Top top 15 talent, whereas top 15 like player, if that makes sense, yeah, the top 15 talent at his size, yeah, no, you actually accomplish top 15 stuff as a player. No, and the last part of his legacy is just falling off a cliff here. You know which is the one that gets you in the hall though, the first one, the second one, it's the second one, right because there's more stats.

Speaker 3: 40:56

Guys, these days you're probably getting in the hall because of that. The the criteria has definitely changed. We're not watching games anymore. People are reading papers and looking at his numbers. So they're gonna look at his raw numbers. Like I said, oh, he got an mvp at two finals mvps, he's in okay. So we just ignored the whole last half and it's not, like some of these guys you know, like Gordon Jordan's last days in the Wizards. No, we're talking about when Kevin Durant was still healthy. Prime had a chance here and, like you said, you willingly left every team that you've been on. You know, I know the Phoenix Suns was a trade, but you basically picked the team you wanted to get traded to.

Speaker 3: 41:36

Everybody else you left as a free agent, yeah.

Speaker 4: 41:39

I mean he forced the move. So it's one of the things that's frustrating with the new NBA anyway, is the players under. You know, I just signed a four-year contract. I'm in my first year of it. I'm forcing my way off this team Like it's a bad look. I don't love it.

Speaker 3: 41:54

But Kevin Durant actually was forging his move on the extension. He hadn't even started his extension yet. That's the one thing that made him attractive as a trade was you still got him for like four years. He hadn't even started it by the time he forced his trade out of the net.

Speaker 1: 42:08

Exactly. Yeah, I don't know when I think about the NBA and the Hall of Fame. I'm not a voter. If I was, I'd probably be in the same zone right here, you know. I mean who let him rebounds, you know, like rebounding records or shot percentage records, or I ain't talking about slam dunk content. I ain't talking about that kind of stuff, about actual on the court stuff that you did better than everybody. I'm talking about league leading stuff. That's what I'm thinking about. I mean, I ain't talking about you're tall and you can shoot. That's not a Hall of Fame worthy. I'm sorry, it's just not man.

Speaker 4: 42:42

So I'm thinking about that's not how they vote, though.

Speaker 1: 42:46

I would hope not, because if you listen to this gentleman right here, no, no, he's implying that that's going to be what gets him in. I'm like, because he didn't mention anything else, I'm like, yeah, no, rebounding shooting, field goal percentage blocks, I mean, that's the kind of stuff that gets you. It's the same thing as any other sport In baseball, it's home runs, it's hits, it's ribbies, Even in every other sport.

Speaker 4: 43:11

Even in every other sport, the vote doesn't come down to your stats.

Speaker 1: 43:17

It hasn't been more than 50% of the vote.

Speaker 4: 43:18

The vote man, it hasn't in a really long time like back in the day the criteria it's. It's a popularity game community involvement there's.

Speaker 4: 43:30

There's so much because there's. So the intangibles play in effect. How the media viewed you plays an effect. Do you honestly think that Tio wasn't a first ballot hall of famer famer? Do you honestly think that? Because if you look at his stats, that is as big of a first ballot hall of famer as you could possibly get, but because the media thought he was a douche, he wasn't, has nothing to do with that.

Speaker 4: 43:54

So so you got to remember these are writers, these are members of the media that are voting on this Right. And then a lot of these guys are going to be newer writers. You have to be a writer, for I think it was five years before you can actually vote, and then you have the ability to vote five years after you're done Right, you're done right. So what my point is is a lot of these guys are getting voted on that. Just kind of remember a guy vaguely, because you haven't played in at least five years. So they're going to go back and watch highlight film. They'll be like, oh, he was dominant in this area and he won this and he was nice to the media and all of that, and that person is going to get in ahead of somebody that dominates the stats, but the media didn't like it.

Speaker 1: 44:42

Well, perhaps we should be talking about somebody else other than Durant then, because I think I heard a point earlier about the Burnout accounts and all the stuff that goes on the back and forth with the media. That stuff is still there, so it should work. Same thing with Gattillo.

Speaker 4: 45:00

It should work the same way for him too. Then right. But see, the problem is is it wasn't.

Speaker 3: 45:04

It wasn't him attacking quite the same way, right like so it was more on on against people than the media.

Speaker 4: 45:08

Yeah, the media talked about it, but he wasn't going at the media hard, whereas to would yeah, right, so I mean it's. It's not apples to apples to apples. There, I get that you don't think he should be one, but he will likely be A first ballot Hall of Famer, even Even if we don't think he should be, because it's a popularity contest, has nothing to do with your actual achievements. They play a role, but they're not what Get you in. Yeah, because I mean.

Speaker 4: 45:38

Prime example of that real quick is um, who just got left out of, uh, the baseball hall of fame. Um, I don't know why. I'm mind blanking his name. We talked about him the other day um yeah, I don't know why, I'm mind blanking in the moment, but I mean, yeah, there we go, sheffield. If you look at his stat line, there's no question he should be in the hall, but he was a jerk right, and he was specifically a jerk to the media.

Speaker 1: 46:09

His wife was nice though.

Speaker 4: 46:11

That doesn't get you in. So but the point behind that is if you, if you were going off of stats that dude is a hall of Famer all day. Omar Vizquel, 11-time you know gold glove winner. Stats perfect to get in.

Speaker 1: 46:29

I don't think Durant's immediate outlook looks as good. You might think. If you attack one, in a lot of cases if you attack one you're attacking them all and they're all like you know what. If I see something remotely close to what Stephen A said, you're going to attack me too. They all say that kind of personal. I don't think he gets to pass because he's talking to one or two people here.

Speaker 4: 46:51

You know it's funny. For whatever reason, durant gets a lot of passes.

Speaker 3: 46:54

Yeah, I think we're just intrigued by combination of talent and we kind of ignore a lot, and I do feel like more of his blow-ups were at, not media. I feel like more of his blow-ups were at people like us posting about him and stuff.

Speaker 4: 47:10

Outside of Skip and everybody wants everybody to yell at Skip anyway, so that probably actually helped his case.

Speaker 1: 47:18

Okay, well, I'm going to try to squeeze this into the last 10 minutes that we got. I don't know how we're going to do it, but we're going to try NIL opting out of bowl games. And then the Urban Meyer comments that he made I don't have any sound for that, but you guys pretty aware what's been going on with that one. What he's trying to say is that what they want to try to do is, okay, executive director of the bowl, or the bowl season, which is actually an entity which I didn't realize they want to try to get players to receive contracts in exchange for NIL payments. So basically, this is the exact quote.

Speaker 1: 47:54

This is by Carparelli, nick Carparelli. He says if you sign a contract and receive compensation, you're obligated to perform certain duties, in this case, play 12 regular season games in a bowl game or a bowl game in the playoff. You don't get to opt out. And he was saying that what's been happening on average is that eight players per team have been opting out on average, which is kind of a lot per team. And we got one example in the game we all saw uh, with the orange bowl, two dozen florida state players just declined to play, which I knew I thought I heard about I wasn't sure, but I thought it was like injury little guys getting to go into the nfl. But they two dozen guys was like 24 guys from florida state declined to play and the result that we got was 63 to 3,.

Speaker 4: 48:36

So that was a unique situation.

Speaker 1: 48:40

Okay, but it doesn't seem to be that it's enough for them to have some comments about it. It's some other stuff too, but go ahead. What were you saying?

Speaker 4: 48:49

Well, the only reason I'm saying that was a unique situation is there was a lot of the players that were essentially boycotting that because they felt like they should have been in the college football playoff, so that that was a little bit different than than what usually happens, where it's guys that don't want to potentially get hurt before they go to the NFL. That being said, I'm glad that the NIL is like no, we want to see you on the field, we're paying you money, you're playing the games you know and, as a as a football fan, I don't want to see a bowl game where nobody's playing in it. Now, I think some of that would have naturally changed on its own anyway, because you now have a 12-game playoff. So now these bowl games mean something, because you win your bowl game and you move on. You still have a shot at a national title, whereas before it was like, yeah, you got in a bowl game, but your national title hopes are gone.

Speaker 4: 49:37

Whereas before it was like, yeah, you got in a bowl game, but your national title hopes are gone. So now you have the opportunity to go win the national championship. So all of a sudden, you're going to have a lot more buy in on a bowl game than you did before as a you know six and six team that really shouldn't have been in a playoff at all, but you got a bowl game birth because you, you know, had a 500 season. Now you have something to play for. So I think you would have a lot more buy-in anyway. But yeah, I mean, if you're signing an NIL contract, I want to see you on the. I see, want to see you on the field, like that's just what it is.

Speaker 3: 50:13

Great.

Speaker 1: 50:14

Great Herb.

Speaker 3: 50:14

Yeah, no, I agree, I think the push for that is better. It's funny. It's like you pay somebody NIL money. They don't play that great. You miss one of the playoffs and you're in a minor bowl. Now you sit out because you're like I don't want to get hurt. I'm like so what did I give you the money for in the first place? If you're just going to sit out the game and I know for the a lot of players I think it doesn't matter, but for the schools it absolutely matters. You know that last impression that you can make putting your guys on the field. So I I don't know.

Speaker 3: 50:45

I'm fully in favor of it if you take the nil money, you should play the whole year urban yeah I'm sorry, I would just say just imagine in, and I was at ohio state, I guess recently too. But imagine paying some guy. You're at Ohio State, you pay a guy, like the millions they're paying him, you miss the playoffs, he skips the bowl game. Like can I get some of my money back Because this investment didn't work out like at all?

Speaker 1: 51:07

The way you need it to. Former Ohio State coach Urban Meyer was on the Lou Holtz podcast and he was talking about how the programs and universities are using NIL. Now he called it cheating. He was saying that high school recruits and transfers you know that have yet to prove themselves are getting money. And here's a quote from him as well, a direct quote, by the way. It says America is built on name and likeness. If Lou Holtz, urban Meyer, marvin Harrison Jr or CJ Stroud want to go use their name and help sell cars to help a business, that's great. But to have a 17-year-old demand money for a visit or pay these players a lot of money to go visit a charity for 20 minutes and they write a check for $50,000, that's cheating. That's not what this is all about. I'm very disappointed in where it went. So this is not an uncommon feeling. It kind of feels like the NIL money.

Speaker 1: 51:56

I don't know what the original intent was. I thought and this could be my ignorance I thought it was because the NCAA were just using these players' likenesses so long and the players never got anything out of it and their names and faces were being plastered everywhere and they never saw a dime from it. I thought that's what it was about originally. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, but that's what I thought about originally. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me, but that's what I thought it was. Now I'm sitting here looking like wait a minute, you go to a charity and get $50,000 for going to a charity. The whole word charity is what does charity actually mean?

Speaker 1: 52:31

So I don't know what Maya is talking about, because I haven't heard that, but it seems like the original intent for the money the I understood. It doesn't seem to be what's happening right now. So a lot of charities pay for the people that show up right I understand that, but you get my point, or is he wrong in your opinion? What are you saying?

Speaker 3: 52:51

no, I, I get it. And some of those other stories are just where there are certain players out there that have charged just for you to get at the table to talk to them. So it's not even anymore about hey, is that much money you're going to pay me? And I mean it doesn't happen anywhere else. Like there's NFL free agents don't say, hey, you know, you got to pay a meal just so we can talk about a contract. Like you just go off and you see what happens. And then they're like you know, know, imagine you get 10 schools together and everybody's got to pay you 25 000 just to sit down. I mean, you're making money. You're not even touching the field.

Speaker 4: 53:26

Like it's a whole different thing now, but we've heard that plenty you know well I mean that that's a huge difference between there being a 53 man roster on 32 teams instead of a thousand schools with up to 150 people on a roster, like it's, there's room for everyone Whereas, you know so, the supply and demand is is wildly different in the NFL versus college. So I don't agree with it, but I can see how it got there.

Speaker 3: 53:56

Yeah, well, it's cause, because they just they didn't have any regulation. They just said, all right, go ahead and pay them. And then they look back and go, oh oops, maybe we should have, uh, put something in place.

Speaker 1: 54:07

And no, it's too late, you can't go backwards so is it really a couple really's argument or his uh, his, uh, his solution? Do you guys feel like that's the answer? Get them to sign a contract, receive competition? Do they have to be locked into those duties? Is that at work for you?

Speaker 4: 54:26

I mean, ultimately it's going to have to kind of go that way, right. I mean they're going to have to figure out some sort of regulation to make this make sense. Uh, obviously, after watching urban Meyer, especially during, uh, that Jaguar season, it's hard to take them seriously a little bit. But Obviously, after watching Urban Meyer, especially during that Jaguar season, it's hard to take him seriously A little bit. But yeah, I mean he does have a point here. They're going to have to figure out Exactly.

Speaker 1: 54:49

If anybody can or anybody's true, it's not me.

Speaker 2: 54:55

But yeah, they're going to have to fine tune how it works.

Speaker 4: 54:57

There's no doubt. Yeah, I like that, alright it.

Speaker 1: 54:59

They're going to have to fine-tune how it works. There's no doubt I like that. All right, that was fun. Hate that I shut it down, but we must, all right, man, while we're here, man, tell everybody.

Speaker 3: 55:13

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Speaker 1: 55:18

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Speaker 3: 55:32

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Speaker 4: 55:45

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Speaker 1: 55:55

Right? Well, of course you know we're here every Monday morning at 9 am EST. Of course I'm going to go ahead and promote your own shows for you. That's going to be your job, man. Wednesday wrap-up Every Wednesday morning you can find the four of us and other guys here. You just can't see them. He's invisible Every Wednesday morning at 9 am EST and of course we'll be rocking and rolling. Got a whole bunch of stuff going on the Thursday night. Triple threats coming on May 23rd. It's all wrestling baby, if you like, wrestling chair shots off the top ropes, steel cages. You're talking wrestling baby. May 23rd, 9 pm EST. Please join us and with that man we are heading out. Man, great having you guys this morning. Guys.

Speaker 3: 56:38

Pretty excited man, Great having you guys this morning. Guys, Pretty excited guys. Yeah, baby,