The New York Knicks season, Derek Carr, Drake Maye and the New England Patriots, Recent NFL trades and their impact, and which NFL team is making a big leap next season

Hey sports fans, buckle up as we explore the high-flying world of New York basketball and dissect the Knicks' thrilling 50-win season that's got the city buzzing. With injuries threatening to derail their momentum, watch how heart and grit kept their playoff dreams alive. We'll turn our talk towards the future with draft picks and potential free agent signings that could see the team catapulted into championship contention. The Knicks have 4 picks in the upcoming draft so add potential free agency to this and they could be in great shape. And if you've got an opinion on whether they'll snag that wing scorer they desperately need, chime in because we're all ears and ready for a fiery basketball debate. Mista Yu will be sharing his love for the New York Knicks, what went wrong and what he thinks is next for this team!

Shift gears with us to the wider NBA and NFL arenas where strategy and athleticism collide in a magnificent show of sportsmanship. Rebounding isn't just a stat; it's a game-changer, and we're diving into how the tenacity of '90s ball is making a modern resurgence. Weigh in on coaching strategies and the careful dance of balancing player rest with performance as we assess the impact of heavy minutes and bench magic. From Milwaukee's roster conundrums to the NFL's quarterback quandaries, we've got all the tactical insight you need to satisfy your inner sports strategist.

Finally, grab your coffee and settle in for some early-morning banter with Bo, Herb, and Rodg, our pigskin pundits who brings humor and hot takes to the discussion table. Whether it's predicting the Texans' leap or debating the impact of contract years on player performance, we're serving up a fresh take on sports talk. So, join the conversation, share a laugh, and let's kick off the day with a potent blend of sports analysis and fun. And remember, we love hearing from you—drop us a comment on social media and become part of our sports aficionado family.

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Speaker 1: 0:31

Welcome back to the All Purpose Pod for an All Purpose Life or AKA. That Monday thing, the football show. We talk about everything, including football and everything else. Welcome back to the show guys. Good to see you this morning. Bo heard Raj in the house on the wheels is still over here in the comment section killing it. How are you guys doing this morning?

Speaker 2: 0:52

Excellent. How are you guys Fantastic?

Speaker 3: 0:55

I have coffee all as well, exactly.

Speaker 1: 0:58

I said fantastic, but I got something on my mind. Good morning, raj Roll Tide, of course. Good morning man. Back here with the Roll Tide. We get overrun. Alabama representing today. We talking Alabama today. Is that, on our document thing to talk about today? I was just wondering. We in here today, family representing. I love it though. But yeah, man, what's up though? But, yeah, man, what's up. Wynn, happy Monday. Oh, this is a little hard, all right. Well, we'll go ahead and anything you got to jump into real quick before I start talking about the Knicks.

Speaker 2: 1:39

No, we can talk about the Knicks nicking it up.

Speaker 1: 1:44

You know what boy You're a real friend sometimes. But yeah, just, you know all accounts, man. I know people are asking me about it and stuff and stuff is on my social. Honestly, I'm just super proud about the Knicks man. I'm super proud about the new team period. Right now we're looking at a lot of of great things are happening. The city is extremely excited. The Rangers are in the EC finals and stuff that's looking good. They're playing a juggernaut, but they got some good stuff on their side too, so we'll see what happens. The Yankees are out here killing it Three series in a row. I think it is. I think they've all sweeps.

Speaker 1: 2:22

I think it was so a lot going on there. So everybody was like yo, man, the Knicks, if you can do something on your side in the NBA, it'd be even greater. So then we get this far. It was really good. I mean 50 win seasons, second seed, you know, under man, the majority of the year, which makes it even more miraculous that they did what they did. But at the end of the day, I even put in an article I was writing about about a team. But it's like you know, when you have that kind of injury situation going on, it's only a matter of time. It feels like if you don't get healthy, you know you can't keep on moving forward. I like the chances, chances, potentially, if we were healthy, even playing Boston, I felt good about it, as long as we had a full roster, everybody being healthy. Even our bench was starting to step up and add some points, which is like a really good thing, because Pacers benches average 38 points the entire season. So they had they got. They got bench play out of the guys. We didn't have a lot of that. Our numbers was a lot lower than that, so what we did in the playoffs was kind of a again in the realm of miraculous, but only proud of these guys. Man, they show what the city's all about the grit, the heart, the hustle. It just didn't work out, man. So it is what it is.

Speaker 1: 3:49

What I like, though, is that you have become relevant again, and I like that because now I feel like players who are on the free agent bubble are going to want to play there. You know I'm saying that's something that I can't say. That happened at least the past five to eight years. That that wasn't. Players thought they want to go somewhere. They want to go to miami. They wanted to go to Miami. They wanted to go to Cleveland, which is, believe it or not, new York wasn't really on everybody's lips. But now I think we've got a blueprint of how to win. We've got four picks in an upcoming draft, one in the first and three in the second. We add what we have right now, including free agency. Guys are going to come over, we can re-sign some guys like Hartenstein and stuff. It's going to be incredible. I think we're on the road to at least staying in contention and not, you know, falling back to that bottom of the EC like we have been offering on for several years.

Speaker 1: 4:41

So it's been a long day yesterday. I'm tired, I'm worn out. I got this coffee, I got the strongest stuff I can get straight from Nicaragua or Guatemala or whatever Powerful stuff. I'm excited, man. I don't know if you guys even watched anything. I'm not even sure if I'm even watching the NBA after this, because I was invested in the Knicks. I'm not really invested in the league as much as some folks are. You know how I feel about that. The 90s were the era. It's been dead since. So the Knicks kind of revived it, put it on life support. But you know, all I hear is now beep, beep. So I thought I'd be watching Anything beyond this. But you guys' thoughts on the NBA so far, what you saw, what you heard, what you felt about it, your thoughts on the Knicks, you know, I thought that I thought the Knicks might get by the Pacers, but I figured whoever plays Boston is going to lose to Boston.

Speaker 3: 5:40

Okay, yeah, I think the Knicks need another reliable scorer. I think that'd be my thing for them.

Speaker 1: 5:49

I think that's what I think when, at At what position Does it matter?

Speaker 3: 5:54

I'd probably go for a wing. You've got Brunson as probably your lead guard already and you've got DiVincenzo locked in kind of as shooting guard, so I wouldn't really mess with those spots. But I think you need another person who, like when Brunson is out, can put the ball on the floor and get a bucket for you. I think Brunson just gets a lot of tough buckets, you know, and I think that kind of wears him out during the game too, and you just need another guy you can kick it over to and just say, hey, go get us a point. So I think that's what what it's going to take to get through to that next game.

Speaker 1: 6:23

So we're expecting Randall to come back.

Speaker 3: 6:30

Yeah, I don't think Randall's that guy, though Randall has to work too hard to get his buckets too, and he's not as good at outside shooters. He seems to think sometimes, so sometimes I think he's forcing a lot of stuff. I'm just not a big Randall guy. I'd slide somebody else into that position, so instead of him.

Speaker 1: 6:44

Instead, instead of him.

Speaker 3: 6:46

Yeah, instead of Randall. I like the way that the team is constructed right now. I think of Vincenzo, good shooter. You know he's not a a a scorer per se. Like you know he likes it. He's not going to put the ball on the floor, but he's a good shooter for you. Brun's never going to be the best player on your team, but a championship needs a guy like him, who's like hey look, I don't care if I score, but I'm going to go out and get you as many boards, assist and play great defense. I think they're good. Hart Stein down low was fine. I know they were missing Mitchell Robinson, so I think they're fine there.

Speaker 2: 7:26

So if I can get a wing, who can score, I feel like that's their next step. So, yeah, you gotta appreciate a guy that's willing to battle down low and get boards, just because it's kind of a lost art in the nba today and you know, when you look at the teams that have won really all season, uh, it's whoever is winning on the boards. Yeah, right. And so I mean I'm surprised that more teams haven't haven't gone back to having somebody that can clean the boards up, because everybody's jacking up threes, which means nobody's down low right right.

Speaker 2: 7:55

So I mean, you're basically launching this thing up, hoping it goes in and conceding the fact that if it doesn't like, half of the team, as soon as you throw that thing up, is already retreating for defense.

Speaker 1: 8:06

Right.

Speaker 2: 8:07

You're not. You're not even breaking on the ball trying to make a play. So anytime you see a guy on a on a team that's willing to go down low and actually battle for boards and not necessarily worry about his offensive stats, uh, I appreciate that because also I'm a fan of 90s basketball.

Speaker 3: 8:26

So Raj Raj texted me or called me yesterday and he was like I think Hart is definitely hurt because he only has four points. I said I'm not looking at his points to tell you that he's hurt. I said I'm looking at the fact he only has six rebounds. I said that's why I don't think he's himself. Yesterday I said I'd never judge Hart by his points. Like he'll get you 25 in one game he. I said I'd never judge Hart by his points Like he'll get you 25 in one game. He might get you six the next, but his boards and defense are what usually stays the same. I said he only had six boards at this point where usually it's like double digits. I said that's why I don't think he's himself. So that's, I feel like.

Speaker 2: 8:55

Like that was the Dennis Rodman thing, right Like there would be games that he would score two points Right, but he'd have 20 rebounds.

Speaker 1: 9:04

Yeah. Everybody everybody's hurt. I feel like that's kind of the theme in all of this. I mean, if you look at the depth chart, it'll blow your mind. You got guys that don't even play. The position is that in depth chart, like if we need just a small shooting guard, we'll put you here. That's how thin this roster really is, man.

Speaker 2: 9:22

But I mean I mean you can do that in today's basketball, though.

Speaker 1: 9:25

Yeah, I mean, I know it, I know it.

Speaker 3: 9:28

Gibbs doesn't traditionally play his bench all that much, though man he likes to run the starters out there all the time.

Speaker 1: 9:34

So I don't know that? Yeah, we know that, and it does come with a cost.

Speaker 3: 9:38

Yeah, and that's kind of the thing. You don't really have a bench that's as developed and then as injuries hit. I mean Hart was averaging like what 45 or six minutes like a game. I was like you know, I'm getting tired just watching him out there, so you had to think that was going to catch up with him too. But with the Bostons of the world, that's what I think they need. Another score would really really help out there.

Speaker 1: 10:03

The whole Randall thing is funny. I don't even want any part of that offseason discussion because he's a more polarizing guy on the entire team. When you talk about him being on there and not on there, that thing creates a fire on Nick's Twitter and it's like I don't want no part of that. I don't even have the emotional bandwidth to even mess with that this time around.

Speaker 3: 10:25

It's because he was there, what like before Brunson, right? So he was kind of one of their bigger free agent pickups or whatever. And they get him and like he was the man he started a little uptick or whatever. But I just I don't know.

Speaker 1: 10:41

I'd rather just have somebody a little more reliable and I know it didn't go over. Well then, but I don't really care. I say what I say and I'm cool with him not being there. If we can get something for him, I'm cool with that. I'm not going to be like, oh, I'm going to miss the blank, there ain't nothing in the blank. I'll be good because we can replace that. Like I said, guys are going to come in and play and we need somebody at that spot, especially the power forward spot.

Speaker 1: 11:07

We got three divisions that were totally unhealthy At the center. I mean, we had issues with Mickey Robinson twice. When Harden had to step in. We had an impression of trying to do his thing over there. But I mean, he ain't a starting center right now. You got a power forward with Randall being out and then with Ananobi going down. He was our golden goose for the most part. He was doing everything. He was shooting from range, I mean rebounds, fields. Og was doing everything. So he went out with the heart. You could hear the heart go out of the entire situation. I'm proud of him. Regardless of all of that stuff, I'm somewhat excited for the offseason. I want to see if your prediction happens, herb, when we get somebody to take that spot and do some scoring, we need to do that. I want to see if Tid's going to play his bench differently. He doesn't normally do that, but I want to see if he learned anything from this season.

Speaker 3: 12:01

So we'll find out if he did that or not. And it's not a big issue just doing it during the playoffs, because I think Stan Van Gunney made a good point about it. That's what you do. But when you do it all season and then do it in the playoffs, then you just run everybody down, like at some point you got to get some guys some rest. We're not talking about load management per se, but there's no need to play 40-plus minutes like during the regular season as well. It's a long season.

Speaker 1: 12:23

I will give props to the bench, though. A lot of these guys, man, that we didn't hear anything about. They weren't doing a whole lot during the season. The guys like Alec Burks and Bogdanovich before he got injured. These guys came inside here and did some work, man, so I give them props. We stayed in the series because of them. To be real about it, jalen Buster's MVP for sure, but he you know that bench did a lot of work, so give him props for this. I hope that we learn something from this whole experience and keep on progressing forward, so hopefully we get our guys to do the best.

Speaker 1: 12:54

We're shooting. We need more scoring there, without question. You can tell by how some of the games went. Scoring was necessary, for sure, but we had guys that were shooting stuff that it's not really their forte. They should be getting rebounds and still, but they were trying to shoot because of a lack of it. How many cups of coffee did we have? I only had this one right here so far. I'm knocking it down. It's almost done. I'm kind of a one-couple show guy. More than this, you couldn't handle me. This is all you can take. One cup so far.

Speaker 2: 13:32

This is my second cup, but it'll be all I have though.

Speaker 1: 13:39

Alright, let's go ahead and jump into. Well, let's move past the nba championship window part right now we already in a module ahead and just jump into it on top of your head right now. Where are you with the, the championship window? Whose window is closing in your opinion? It doesn't have to be based on what you've seen so far in the playoffs could be before. It could be golden state, it could be the lakers yeah, I was definitely Golden State. Yeah, I was going to say there's a lot Out of everybody you feel like Golden State, they're the ones who's winning the closing.

Speaker 3: 14:10

For a team that won a championship two years ago. It now seems like that was 10 years ago and you can't keep Klay probably not at the number that he wants. You're signing to Draymond Green for four more years, but that seems like it's going to be a sunk cost. You're going to keep trotting out Steph Curry Four more years. Yeah, he just signed his extension Three or four, that is right, yeah, he just signed his extension.

Speaker 2: 14:35

And I mean Clay, isn't going to command crazy money. He went 0 for 10 in his last game.

Speaker 3: 14:42

I mean, you know right that man put in his two-week notice and decided not to even show up on the last day. For real, yeah, but he wants big money, based on kind of like what Draymond Green did and what they've already done. But it's like when you first put this out there, they were the first team that came to mind, yeah, and you look back and it has not been that long since the last championship.

Speaker 1: 15:01

No exactly them and the.

Speaker 3: 15:03

Lakers long since the last championship.

Speaker 2: 15:07

No, exactly them and the lakers are both teams that are, yeah, you know, their windows are, are closed, I mean, and it's, it's not an indictment on lebron. I mean you're, you're expecting ad to do something he's never done right. You're expecting him to step up and be the guy right and we haven't seen in his career where he's that dude. He's incredibly talented and was actually randomly healthy this year, which is something he's not normally known for.

Speaker 1: 15:35

You almost missed it.

Speaker 2: 15:37

You almost missed it.

Speaker 3: 15:38

Well, somebody posted it like a. It was like Nick Wright. He was like the Lakers have no excuses this year because I think out of their top four players, I want to say LeBron was the person who maybe missed the most games. He missed 12. Everyone else and Austin Reeves played all 82. So you had uncommon health across the board for the Lakers and you still get into what's the seventh seed and losing the first round. It's not getting better and, to Bo's point, ad is not going to be step up and carry the team and that's what LeBron is willing to give it over. It is like he's verbally said it and he showed it on the court go out and be the man. And AD's like I want to be the superstar who's the second best player on the team and that's what he's shooting for it's like he's supposed to give a presentation and he's sitting at his desk, just like I like gummy bears.

Speaker 2: 16:27

Yeah, we're not even on the same topic.

Speaker 3: 16:32

And by the way, I use superstar, like in his mind. I don't think he is, because he's not. He can't carry a team singularly.

Speaker 2: 16:38

So he's not a super, he's a star Right.

Speaker 3: 16:40

Like he.

Speaker 2: 16:41

He has talent, but he's not a superstar Right are right like he.

Speaker 3: 16:44

He has talent, but he's not a superstar right for sure. And that's what I want to make clear when I say that. That's that's to me, that's what he thinks and I think that's what lakers fan think.

Speaker 2: 16:48

That's not what I think well, I think that's what laker fans want him to be. And the worst thing is is, when you see him and you see him play, you're like you could be that guy. Yeah, he just isn't that guy, but I mean, he has all the tools to be yeah, he'll throw out a 2020 game and then they'll post cc. Okay, let's, let's wait till next game and tell me yeah, and then the next five and five games. Yeah, what happened?

Speaker 3: 17:16

yeah, yeah. So but I would say those two top those two teams off the top of my head golden state and the lakers. Um, the lakers, you know, kind of similar what we're just talking about. They just signed austin reeves for four years and now there's a report out there that's saying if they trade him, they want a uh, all-star back. And I'm like you're trading a non-all-star and you're demanding an all-star, right, this doesn't even make sense.

Speaker 2: 17:40

This is exactly what my next point was going to be Was Any team that KD is on, their window is closed.

Speaker 3: 17:49

Oh, okay, I almost want to say you know what you made the finals Three years ago, but you don't even have that same team anymore. You know outside of Devin Booker, so I don't think their window Ever opened to close.

Speaker 2: 18:03

That team. That team was doomed because you knew that Chris Paul was going to get hurt because he gets hurt in the postseason every year and they didn't have a bench right Like if you only got to play with your starters, they would have had a solid playoff run.

Speaker 3: 18:21

Well, they made the finals though.

Speaker 2: 18:22

No, I know, but I mean they made the finals but they weren't. I mean, they made the finals but they weren't exactly. It wasn't great basketball, Like they got there, but when you were watching that playoff run, you're looking at it as like, ah man, anybody could get these guys On the wrong day, right, so it's so. Then you know, obviously they move some pieces, they bring KD in and the problem with K? They bring KD in and the problem with KD is KD is a lot like AD in the way that he doesn't lead a team. He is supremely talented, right, fantastic ball player, but he's not leading the team and every team he's assembled fails miraculously, and every team he's assembled fails miraculously.

Speaker 3: 19:06

His best singular performance was against Milwaukee in that first round where both his co-stars had gotten hurt. You know the toe on the line, three-pointer losing overtime. I can't think of a series other than that where he has, like, tried to be the guy and it's worked.

Speaker 2: 19:24

That's exactly it. He's just he's not that guy. He's you know, the burner accounts give you the best example of that. He's just, he's kind of thin skinned. He feels obligated to respond to everything. That that's tough to be a leader like that, right, because you can't't, you can't focus on the next thing, because you're still just mentally burning over the little thing because some dude on twitter with three followers said something bad and you feel like you have to go at him. Um, it's, I don't know, it's, it's weird, it's weird. But uh, and, and that's why I say, any team that KD is on seems like their championship window is closed, because every team that brings him in is bringing him in to be the guy.

Speaker 2: 20:10

And he's not, and he's not the guy, and then also going to grab Bradley Beal was a bad fit for that team too.

Speaker 3: 20:16

It was like they just grabbed somebody who was a former All-Star just because he was available and not because it worked.

Speaker 1: 20:22

And that's when he plays the same position as Devin Booker.

Speaker 3: 20:24

I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1: 20:27

I like where Roger's going with this too, because I've been. I thought about the Suns, I thought about the Clippers as well, because their name's always out here to kind of make that move and they add guys, like they have recently. That's supposed to help them get over that hump and it just doesn't seem to happen. With the Bucs, I kind of feel like because they just recently won something of significance. It's like when they added Dame I know Herb can talk about that at length because he has on this show already.

Speaker 1: 20:51

You know about how he doesn't bring what you thought he should bring to the table every night and it's like, ok, so the Bucs window closing, that makes sense. So the bus window closing, that makes sense. For me, the thing is about the money, though. When I say the Suns and the Clippers and the Warriors especially, they got almost over $200 million in cap and it's going to be rising, even about $210 next year. That plays a part in whether your window is open or not, because it determines who you can get and who you can keep, and it's like so I love his question. I mean the sons are in that discussion, I guess because of what how people perceive kd as a basketball player. Uh, as far as the I'm playing on the guy, I know his name, man, but it could be early. He's only. He's on the team as well. He just his name is blanking out. I should know his name, but I'm sorry we're talking about the Suns or the Bucs?

Speaker 1: 21:46

Yeah, I'm talking about the Suns.

Speaker 3: 21:48

Wow, I'm blanking out Are you talking about Booker or Beal or KD? Oh man.

Speaker 1: 21:53

Brain fart. Devin Booker, you know what I'm saying. You don't hear him in the light. You should be hearing him in as a part of this kind of team that had this kind of potential. So there's just some problems there that you know it's going to play out. But with the bucks like you mentioned her many times, then game should be bringing it. You know, points and and some overall value every night and it's not happening. And it's like yannis, you can't expect him to do everything.

Speaker 1: 22:23

When, when they, when they start messing around with Boone and Hosen and talking about whether he should be the coach anymore and started messing around with the dynamic they had, I knew they were going in a whole different direction. I'm like why are you messing with this? These guys are doing it. Even was Tucker right. Why are y'all messing with this? It's working. They started tweaking it. It's working. Tucker didn't want that much money. Leave it. Leave it alone. It was working. It wasn't even a championship. Leave Buda Hoser where he is. Leave Tucker alone. Let these boys play. They were out there lighting it up and he started messing around with it. Now look what's happening. And now it's like oh, and they added rivers as a coach, which is like you know we ain't got time to even go there.

Speaker 2: 23:09

so it's like that's a team that's from a few years ago. If they would have, instead of doing what they did where they dismantled it and really kind of hurt that team, if they would have just added some bench pieces, like that's what they needed yeah, bench pieces aren't expensive. Like I don't really know why they decided to kind of ruin this team. They had a team that was getting it done. It needed a couple of pieces and instead of like, instead of saying oh you know what, let's go grab a couple of these pieces, we can keep this intact. They're like you know, let's just smash this Lego set on the floor and start over. You're like, what are you doing?

Speaker 3: 23:47

They blew a 2-0 lead and decided this wasn't ever going to work and that was just for them To your butt's point.

Speaker 1: 23:54

I agree with that.

Speaker 3: 23:55

Yeah, Well, that's what happened with Milwaukee. They blow a first-round series as the number one seed and they said, okay, this whole thing's not working either. I'm like, so one failure and everything is done.

Speaker 1: 24:07

I mean based on that training. The other part, they didn't know what they had in him and they wanted him to be the guy. And they drug that thing on for a whole season Plus it's eight and your guy at center or not? You ask that question every single week. It felt like, is he the guy or not? It's like what I saw. I knew the answer for my opinion, but I'm not the one writing the paychecks. Is he your guy? If he's your guy, back him, play him and and let him go ahead and roll. But I didn't feel like he was the guy they should have. They should have made a move there and and fix that that center spot with somebody else who was, uh, more consistent in areas that a center should be put it like that.

Speaker 2: 24:53

So I mean based on the trend on if you are up to oh0 and lose the series, you better worry about your Knicks. They might just blow it up for no reason.

Speaker 1: 25:05

You're not going to do that, man.

Speaker 3: 25:08

He's making a joke, man, about the 2-0.

Speaker 1: 25:10

Yeah, I know. That's why he's top three in the best friend of the year category. That's why he's top three in the best friend of the year category.

Speaker 3: 25:20

My problem with Milwaukee is going to be now. They're going to use two excuses. Well, doc, you know he fired half his staff. He wasn't there the whole year and Dame and Giannis were injured in the last series. So that's what they're going to use as their excuse to try and keep like the big four, I guess because Lopez and Middleton just signed extensions, I think, beasley, from what I understand, it's probably gone out of your starters. You might lose Pat Bev too. I think I haven't looked at it. No, so you're largely going to run back the same thing next year. You don't have the money you already mentioned to really tweak anything and you're got Doc Rivers and Dame for a whole other year.

Speaker 2: 25:56

That's the thing. Without Doc, I think that team actually would have been fine. They were killing it before he got there. Their defense was suspect, but you knew when they went and got Dame their defense was going to be suspect, because that's the players they got rid of to go get him.

Speaker 1: 26:15

That defense was going to suffer. It wasn't great, but it wasn't bad either. Their defensive rankings wasn't that bad.

Speaker 2: 26:22

Yeah, they were a middle-of-the-pack kind of defense Under Griffin.

Speaker 1: 26:25

They were decent and all of a sudden they decided you know what? We don't want Griffin anymore. And we talked about why that could be internal strife and that kind of stuff, but it wasn't that bad.

Speaker 3: 26:37

You know what that means. Their defensive rating jumped way up.

Speaker 1: 26:41

It's just they had a losing record, we'll have a good offense, though.

Speaker 3: 26:44

Yeah, offensive production dropped way up, and that's why their record never increased.

Speaker 2: 26:50

Well, I mean it got barbecued as soon as he got there because they were a 700 win right percentage. So I mean they were a 700 win right percentage, so I mean, like they were absolutely killing it.

Speaker 1: 27:01

They were well over 700.

Speaker 2: 27:03

Yeah, it was like a 730 something 730, 740, yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:06

But I mean the thing is is, even if there was internal issues between the coach and management whatever, generally winning cures all right, like that's how Jim Harbaugh keeps jobs, because anytime you hear about him being employed right, it's always contentious because he's just kind of a unique individual. So, but he wins right. And as soon as he stops winning, that's when teams move on. In this case, you are winning at. Stops winning, that's when teams move on. In this case, you are winning at. You know three quarters of your games and you still move on. And then you bring in a guy that got gifted a championship and is largely underperformed as a coach, especially when it comes to playoff time, and then you see them absolutely fall apart. What did you expect? I mean, you might as well. I would rather have a little bit of a bumpy road and go get a ring than be like, oh, I can stomach this guy and we're just going to be bad Right.

Speaker 3: 28:12

Because then you lose like that, you fall into the three seed and probably one of your worst matchups A team that was beating you while you were healthy, Exactly. So the injuries don't matter, but they're just going to use these excuses and run it back next year and probably fall into the same thing.

Speaker 2: 28:29

And how does Doc keep getting jobs? That's the part that's wild to me. You see him, he'll do okay in the regular season. Half the teams make it to the postseason anyway, and then he's terrible.

Speaker 3: 28:44

I think he's beloved off the court. I think for some leadership stuff that he's done. I think, particularly like during the bubble season and when there were all those protests, I think he was a guy that stepped up then so I mean, look, look man, give him some honorary position somewhere. But I wouldn't want him as my coach man. I hate to be that way. You know you could be a great guy, but you know I feel like I'm a nice guy, you're. I'm not the guy you want on your sideline doing x's and o's. I'm gonna tell you that in any sport you know what I mean like there's got to be a separation, okay let's jump Roger's question.

Speaker 1: 29:16

I'm going to try to answer this real quick so we can move on. I don't think so at all. I think it's too soon for this because, honestly, the past couple of years people talked about them but it wasn't a real conversation like a real possibility. You know, these guys are going to win the whole thing. It happened once maybe in the last four years. I didn't really feel like that any other time except for that one year. So for now this is a real conversation now that they could potentially win it all. If they don't, I think they'd be okay. But I think the salary cap back to the money again. That's where the issue is. Jalen Brown has owed a lot of money, so you got to decide if you're going to hang on to that, on to him, and pay him what he I guess what he would probably warrant going forward, drew Hollis just got his, I guess just about $30 million.

Speaker 1: 30:02

He just got his, so I'm not sure what to say.

Speaker 2: 30:04

Basketball salary cap is not a real cap, though, like it is the most like fungible pretend cap ever. They're like oh, I'll just pay some extra taxes, exactly Right.

Speaker 3: 30:16

So I mean it's not like the NFL. It's not like the NFL where?

Speaker 2: 30:20

they're like, and Jalen's already signed his five-year.

Speaker 3: 30:22

So, like everybody on the team, I believe Derek White is signed. Yeah, he's signed a five-year already.

Speaker 1: 30:28

Is he going to get a new?

Speaker 3: 30:30

Derek White. His is up next year, so you've got him at least one more year before he has to sign an extension. And a bonus point if you want to sign somebody to an extension, you can pay them their money and just pay extra money for them.

Speaker 2: 30:43

That's what Golden State did, exactly right Like they paid so much, going over the top, and it doesn't matter in that sport. But based on the contracts that they've already signed, I mean they can kind of run this team back for a few years. So I wouldn't say their window is closed or even really closing, unless somebody gets hurt or something like that. You know they, they should be a solid team for the next, you know, probably three years.

Speaker 3: 31:08

Yeah, and you got to think everybody else in the East right now has a question. They need to be answered. You know you're probably the one team that can run it back as is fully constructed and still be a top seed next year. I think everybody else has one, at least one question or one spot that we need to address. You know what I mean, cause, like your two seed was the calves and you don't even know if they're. They sound like they're falling apart in the middle of their series. You know you've addressed the Knicks. Maybe you need one more piece to kind of really really push Boston. What was it? Four or five Orlando? You need shooting Cavs. I guess it's too many questions, I think, for everybody else that you're talking about.

Speaker 1: 31:45

We definitely have some stuff going on For us to be in the season at the number two seed and on demand like that, we definitely got to do some adding. There's no question about it.

Speaker 3: 31:57

I'm sorry I missed that. Up next to see the Cavs end up four seeds.

Speaker 1: 32:00

I was going to fix that, don't worry, I was going to fix it, no matter what, I won't take the time to fix that, you know it. Mama's in the house saying good morning to us. Thank you, mom, for joining us again. Love and appreciate you so much. Garrett Carr we talked about him off and on throughout the off. Well, last year's playoffs and the vaunted NFC South division we talked about that. But where you guys at? I've seen a couple of stories about him, but make comparisons to where he's at and his country. I think he has one of those DJ contracts with the Saints after the second year. It's binding until just after the second year. Then, of course, there's some fluidity.

Speaker 3: 32:45

I was wondering if Cat was going to say that. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 32:47

I didn't. I thought about it. No, I'm sorry, but we are discussing it though. Love your comment, though Bring them on. So is this a? Do you think he has the ability to, I guess, progress up like he needs to, even if it's incremental? Do you think he can progress up based on the talent he has around him? Or is this the end of the experiment?

Speaker 2: 33:48

So the thing is, is their failure last year had less to do with their players and a lot to do with their coaching? Last year had less to do with their players and a lot to do with their coaching, because there was, there was a lot that was not handled very well, to put it uh, to put it politically, uh, correct, I guess you know without I mean that's fair, that's fair, but saints fans, saints fans will agree with you.

Speaker 3: 34:10

No, exactly, they're in shock that he's still there.

Speaker 1: 34:14

Yes, yeah, I want to get down to it. We ain't got time to mess around. We ain't got that much time left in the show. We got to get down to it. If he bombs right now, you're going to forget. If he bombs Well last year it was on the coaching, it wasn't really on him.

Speaker 2: 34:34

If he fails spectacularly this year, yeah he's gone. But if he, if he balls out like if he's competing for that first spot, I don't think that's.

Speaker 1: 34:45

You're welcome.

Speaker 2: 34:46

We had to help you. Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, there you go so I don't think car's a guy to answer your question.

Speaker 3: 34:57

I don't. I don't think he's the guy. I think he's kind of just like a middle of the road quarterback. He might not ever be like just terrible, he'll, just, he'll never be great that's what I want to have like superior talent around him. I just don't feel like he's not going to elevate a mediocre team.

Speaker 2: 35:11

I'll say that you have some quarterbacks. He's Dak, he's Matt Ryan, he's. He's that level of guy.

Speaker 1: 35:19

So who is Spencer Rattler? I'm asking because that's the next man up.

Speaker 3: 35:27

I would throw him out. I mean so, given the history right of car, you're going to see Rattler at some point this year, right, Probably You're going to find out.

Speaker 1: 35:36

You're hoping it doesn't happen, but yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2: 35:38

Yeah, I don't wish anything on Carr, but it's not going to be the worst thing in the world. Three times on one play.

Speaker 3: 35:45

Yeah. I'm like wow, it's not going to be the worst thing ever to have Rattler come out there and just see what he's got. You know, you know he's high talent guy. It's just never really put it all together, but the way that that division is and the way the Saints are.

Speaker 3: 36:06

It's not going to be the worst thing in the world just to have him you know, maybe later in the year, just start a few games Well, especially if you're out of it, right, but are you ever out of it? In the South, though, it's kind of like you could go on a five-game losing streak and probably still be within a game or two in front.

Speaker 2: 36:15

Yeah, I mean, there is that the South is rough.

Speaker 3: 36:18

That's going to be the problem. That is going to be the problem. They're going to be like well, we're terrible, but we're two games out of first and we've still got games left Exactly. We can still do it yeah, where it really should. I just don't think the Saints have ever decided if they're like in a rebuild or what, so they're just kind of like middling along.

Speaker 1: 36:40

I feel like they have they. Have they already decided that they're not? Yeah, I forgot that Alvin Kamara is still on the team. I forgot that he's still there.

Speaker 2: 36:48

Well, that's the thing. That's why I say it came down to a lot of coaching, because they just didn't use their players very well last year. They had a ton of talent and they found ways to. It was kind of like Atlanta last year where they kept forgetting Bijan was on the roster. That's coaching. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 37:07

And the Saints had something very similar is they didn't run things that worked for their players skill sets. They're just like we're running what we're running. It's like that's great, but that's not what your players are good at. So, uh, and it put their defense in bad positions because their defense isn't as bad as it looked last year. But if your offense can't stay on the field, your defense numbers are going to be bad. Now you go into this year, atlanta is going to be intriguing, right? Because now you got new coaching. You have a weird quarterback situation, so that might be a distraction at some point. And then you have the quarterbacks, you have the Bucs that are in the ultimate question mark, right? So I mean, it's not like you can, it's not like you can play badly and win this division this year, because atlanta's gonna be better. I. I know for a fact their, their new coaching isn't gonna just forget the fact that they have great players on their team and then, the bucks are, you know, a team that can get streaky right.

Speaker 2: 38:13

So I mean, uh, this isn't like last year where you potentially win this division with a losing record. You're probably going to have to actually win some games. So that'll be. That'll be hard for the saints if we see similar play to what we saw last year well, the bucks are definitely trying to run it back.

Speaker 1: 38:28

They made one, what I think is a notable improvement, and that's on their line at center. I feel like they made that move strategically to say you know what they're telling us, that they're confident enough in the rest of the team that they want to fix this one problem at center. With Graham Barton, which I think is going to be a good addition there going to help, may fill out a great deal, I think the division is better. I can't say nothing about the Panthers.

Speaker 3: 38:58

That's your two wins.

Speaker 1: 39:00

I don't know what to say there. They got so many picks and so many changes. I guess they'll be better too. I guess better than the wins that they had last year. But overall bottom line the division is better. So the Saints got a lot to look at different and they're not going to coast through this division to a title and get into the playoffs. It's not going to be that simple this time around. But, cat, hold on. Hope it won't be that bad, but I don't want you to lose nothing. So hold on on. Hope it won't be that bad, but I don't want you to lose nothing, so hold on hey.

Speaker 2: 39:32

Kat, do you think they use Taysom Hill in their new kicking game? I think that would be hilarious.

Speaker 1: 39:46

Okay, quick thoughts on the you guys heard about. I brought it up for a reason, because we talked about this in a different context, but with Drake May they're saying that they there's some questions about whether he should sit behind Jacoby Busset or not, or they should start him. Now we always say that if a quarterback is picked in up echelon in the first round, that probably means he should be starting. But now this is a question about whether he's ready to start. He needs more seasoning. So just your general thoughts on if you think he should be sitting starting. How you feel overall about quarterbacks pick that early. Should they be, you know, starting right away or what? So I mean the team's not good.

Speaker 2: 40:26

So let him, let him sit, let him learn, you know, because the biggest thing is what do you have to lose? Right, like you're not going to be a good team, you're not competing for anything? Right? And you have Brissette, who's been in the league a long time, right, he can help your new guy get up to speed. Because the problem is, if you start your new guy and then you pull him, that is a huge confidence crusher, right? So that that's one of those. You can't put the genie back in the ball. So start with your vet, bring on your rookie when it makes sense, right?

Speaker 2: 41:05

And you're definitely going to, because you're again not going to be a good team. So it's not like you have to worry about. Oh, it, it's Fitzpatrick and he's killing it and we're just going to barbecue our season. To force Tua in this is you're just going to be bad. So you can kind of pick your spot of when you want to bring him in. But if you start with him and then you bring the veteran back in.

Speaker 1: 41:34

I mean you're setting yourself back, Okay.

Speaker 3: 41:36

No, I agree with that, especially in this position. To further on that point, new England still has to really improve the team around them, especially at the offensive skill positions. So I would rather him sit until that whole situation gets better, cause you just lost your first round quarterback, you know, and you never really had a great situation around him so you probably didn't get a great evaluation. I'd sit, may and let that whole situation get better. You know, kind of look at, like last year, the top two quarterbacks pick and starting both of them and one of them was, you know, in a much, much better position than the other one and you kind of just see better results right now, obviously one of them played way better than the other two, but I just don't think they've got enough around May in new England, you know, for a team who like never seems to want offensive positions unless you're what, like a kicker, a punter, I guess, or alignment, like they never seem to care about all the rest of the stuff. I'd improve that first before I have to worry about May getting out there.

Speaker 3: 42:36

I have no problem with him sitting a year, especially in that division. You're looking at a couple of your teams. How much longer is the window open for Buffalo? What are the Jets? How long are Rodgers really going to be there? It's not going to be the worst thing to sit out a year to you know, a year for May and then come along with a year you know what I mean Like three or four years from now. I think you're in a much better position than this next year.

Speaker 1: 42:58

Yeah, I mean that makes sense to me.

Speaker 1: 43:01

Much of the moves that well. You guys remember Ron Wolfe from the Packers. I know Coach Bono probably knows him very well, but he did the same thing with Aaron Rodgers. When he came in, everybody was saying he should be starting and he sat him behind Brett Favre and Brett Favre wouldn't help him. You know the whole drama with that. Actually, something similar with that with Jordan Love too. Same kind of thing. So Ron Wolfe is kind of known for that.

Speaker 1: 43:27

I think he's involved with the past to some degree. I think he retired, but I think the last four seasons he was involved with Bill Belichick and the Patriots. But they have a draft and develop mentality and it's like this is what they wanted to do here with Drake May. I think it's a good idea. I know that we talked about quarterbacks getting drafted at the high, or player period Drafted at high should be starting. But in this case, even though it's behind jacoby percent, which is it is what it is with this, uh, but I kind of feel like it's a good thing for him to take, to take a decision under the learning tree.

Speaker 1: 44:01

I don't know how much time we're talking about, but maybe at least at least a year, uh, and kind of learn what the offense is like and learn how to read defenses and that kind of thing. You know, just take the time to learn. Because in this case I almost wish Mac Jones had the same benefit that Drake Mays getting ready to have, because he didn't feel like that happened for him. He got thrown into the fire. I don't know why that was different. I think Wolf was there when that happened, I think but I don't understand why he didn't get that same benefit that Drake maybe isn't going to have right now. Teams do that all the time.

Speaker 2: 44:34

Look at Justin Fields versus Caleb. It may not make it right, but when you look at the weapons that Caleb is going to have this year, versus what Justin Fields had the entire time he was there, Well, we're talking about Chicago.

Speaker 1: 44:49

We ain't got that kind of time he's just comparing. Chicago hasn't been logical in years.

Speaker 2: 44:56

I'm just saying.

Speaker 1: 44:57

It happens all the time it's not logical about what they've done in years that has nothing to do with the Bears as an organization.

Speaker 2: 45:04

You've just watched. That's the most recent one, but I mean you've watched this happen time and time again.

Speaker 3: 45:10

I also think like sitting behind Jacoby Brissett recent one, but you've watched this happen time and time again. I also think sitting behind Jacoby Brissett you're not expecting this guy to start for three or four years. So you getting rid of him in a year you will be perfectly fine with. I don't think so.

Speaker 1: 45:26

We've got two more left and I showed them all the time to get there. Nfl team's poised to take a huge leap this season. You're hearing some names. I'm going to ask a question. We've got two more left and I'll show them how much time to get there. All right, so NFL teams poised to take a huge leap this season. You're hearing some names. I'm sure you guys have heard names such as the Texans. You heard the Packers with Jordan Love kind of settling in. You heard even the Bengals with a healthy Joe Burrow. Is there at least one team that you guys are thinking about that you think will take a huge leap that maybe we don't expect?

Speaker 2: 45:55

I think Arizona is actually not going to be as bad as everybody keeps trying to say they're going to be.

Speaker 1: 46:00

Coming out the NFC West box. You kidding me, okay?

Speaker 3: 46:03

Yeah, but he did a disclaimer there.

Speaker 1: 46:05

He said not as bad so he didn't say they were going to be good. I heard him.

Speaker 2: 46:11

Yeah, I'm not saying they're gonna light it everything up, but I I keep seeing win projections at like three with the panthers and I'm like you guys are high because you ended up with, I mean, kyler can still move around right, their defense got better, they had half the picks in the draft and they have two uh, you know, two good receivers they're. They're gonna win more than three games. They'll probably be a six win, six, seven win team. So, um and that's why I put it in this category is I mean I think they're gonna double the wins that a lot of these you pundits are putting out there at three, three, four wins. I think they're going to be almost double that.

Speaker 1: 46:58

Okay, in your mind that's a huge leap right.

Speaker 2: 47:02

Doubling your win total is a pretty good size.

Speaker 1: 47:04

I'm asking about the Cardinals, just saying about the next, just the Cardinals.

Speaker 3: 47:07

Yeah, I don't care what team it is, if you double your win total, that's a pretty, pretty sizable step forward okay heard the texans is an interesting one because it seems like they're poised to make a leap, but you made the second round next year, so it's a huge leap. Like you have to make the super bowl, do you have to make the conference finals?

Speaker 2: 47:27

like I didn't say them you can't make what is a huge leap? A ring. That's what it is A huge leap, for the Texans is winning a ring.

Speaker 3: 47:38

It's kind of like a scary one to talk about. I'm like, yeah, the Texans. I think they're going to have good years. I don't think they're Super Bowl ready yet. It's still a young team.

Speaker 1: 47:47

I ain't going to pick the Panthers, but I mean I ain't going to pick the Texans either.

Speaker 2: 47:50

I mean that's just ridiculous to me, but I'm not going to do that I don't have a lot of faith in Raj's team here Only because I still don't trust your defense man.

Speaker 3: 48:08

You can't take a step back to start the preseason on defense and then draft a guy that's supposed to fix what you just could have signed like well, not just that, but you let go you let go of two really good guys, three kind of key pieces to your defense.

Speaker 2: 48:21

You bring in one rookie. That does not spell success in my mind. Now you do have the advantage of the bills are not going to be as good, although you did find a way to, you know, squander the division last year with a better defense than what you're putting on the field this year. So I don't know, I don't feel good about the team. I still think they're a playoff team, obviously, but but yeah, I don't, I don't know man. Team obviously, but um, but yeah, I don't, I don't know man. They better, since there's still some free agency period to play with. Uh, man, they gotta do. They gotta do something to make that defense look like they can stop people, because you can only outrun people on offense so long.

Speaker 3: 49:10

I'm not even going to touch it. Sorry.

Speaker 1: 49:13

Raj.

Speaker 3: 49:14

Okay, Raj, you guys are going to win the division and win your first playoff game. There you go.

Speaker 1: 49:21

I mean, we're talking about a huge leap for Miami. What are we talking about? You know where they got to be? Look where they were at last year.

Speaker 2: 49:30

I mean so the thing that's funny, right? I didn't see my teams like that.

Speaker 1: 49:35

You know what it is At the top of the division, you know what's next for them to make a huge lead. Right, it's got to be deep into the playoffs, or actual Super Bowl appearance. At least I'm not, no, I don't mean that yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:47

I got you Rod. I mean, that's the thing is. You know, you hear people where. They're like oh you know, it's because it was so cold, that's why we lost. It's like, well, had you won the week before, you would have had Buffalo at your own place, Right, you wouldn't have had to worry about the cold. So you can't even blame it on the cold, because you didn't take care of business the week before.

Speaker 3: 50:11

Or that Titans game that forward, so um. Or that titan game, that would have been nice. What's that?

Speaker 2: 50:14

or that titan's game, yeah like there was, there was plenty of opportunities. So, um, and that's that's my. My worry for this year is, instead of bolstering the defense, that needed some help anyway, uh, you decided, hey, you know what, let's uh, let's go get obj. Uh, even though we had Waddle and Hill, and you're just like, oh cool, we don't need offense, we really need defense. You know, we should probably get a receiver.

Speaker 3: 50:41

Maybe they thought he was going to play corner also. Maybe that's what it was. They were just going to convert him over.

Speaker 2: 50:47

Now, because everybody else is sliding in that division. I still think you can win the division. The Bills are worse, the Jets are who knows? And there's the fourth team that nobody cares about.

Speaker 3: 51:01

Who got it? I'm just saying, raj, that game hurt. You have a two-touchdown lead with like three or four minutes. Sorry, man.

Speaker 1: 51:18

This is tight up in here. I don't think we're getting to our last question. Maybe, I don't know For me I'm going to pick somebody. This is not heavy-handed, but I really think they're going to make a huge leap. I'm picking the Chargers. I really think they're going to make a huge leap. I'm picking the Chargers. I really like them. I mean because being last with five wins is not great.

Speaker 1: 51:40

You were behind the Broncos and the Raiders. You think about that? Yeah, think about that for a second. So I definitely don't want that to be a repeat. I really feel like a huge leap in in their case. It's legitimate. They weren't at the top of the division. They weren't even expected to get past the chiefs or anything like that. So this is a huge leap for them, for them to get to the even, the second place in the division and potentially be in the playoffs. I can see that happening. They added lab mcconkey, got brendan rice, who I think is an outstanding talent. They put some help on the front line with Joe Ault. I like what they got going on.

Speaker 2: 52:18

Yeah, I mean they should absolutely take a step forward, especially because Herbert's healthy right. I mean that was the thing, it's going down the stretch. He was hurt, so of course you're going to fall off. That's why I started laughing what's up Shefty. That's why I started laughing what's up Shefty yeah.

Speaker 1: 52:36

I thought about the Chargers, but I figured you were going to mention them meets his potential. It's Quentin Johnson's name that we've been talking. I was talking about a little bit on different shows last year, like, okay, you could be it, man, you could be the guy. They got rid of, mike Williams, you know, for a lot of reasons. One of them is trust you. So hopefully he steps up and does something that josh palmer can't be, the uh, the main guy out there. That just can't happen, or tj chalk, for that matter. So need him to step up a lot. So if he does that, it's going to be a really good team and they'll definitely be getting to the point where they'll be, uh, that division pushing the Chiefs a little bit and maybe even getting to a playoff spot, if that's possible as a wild card in the division, all right. So Herbie and the new pair of glasses Got that. Wow, we have time to get into this.

Speaker 1: 53:26

Last question. I'm going to ask you about the trades that were made Tiffon Diggs, keenan Allen, jerry Judy I guess Justin Fields applies here Brian Burns from the Giants and LeJarius Sneed and probably some others too, but he's a name that kind of jumped out at me as a player that potentially had the biggest impact on their new team the next season. Are you guys going to pick Diggs, or are you guys going to pick somebody else? Let me just go ahead and get right to it.

Speaker 3: 53:55

Well, I mean, might as well start with Diggs right Sure, why not? How are you going to throw a name out and then be like upset that we mentioned it. I ain't upset, go for it. He's throwing up a softball. I was like, oh they hit it, dang it Time is limited, time is limited, let's go.

Speaker 1: 54:11

Come on, talk to me about this. I'm listening.

Speaker 2: 54:14

Yeah, well, I mean it's. Ultimately it's going to be fine for the Texans because this is a contract year for him, because they restructured his contract. So now he's playing for money. Right, and we've seen that that's the only thing that motivates the guy. Right, because as soon as he's in that long term deal he starts crying. Right, because now he has to go do stuff and he's not getting the ball enough, like he embodies that diva receiver action. But he deals with it when he's in a contract year.

Speaker 2: 54:48

Great for the Texans is they have them on a one-year deal, essentially, and they have other weapons on there. So he's not going to be that, or he shouldn't be, yeah, I mean, I guess, who knows, we'll see, but historically he's it's the first year, it's a contract year for him. He's going to be the best team player he generally is on any team because it's his first year there. So he's going to be a nice weapon for them. I don't think they should sign him to a long-term deal after the season, regardless of how the season goes, but for this season he'll be an asset.

Speaker 1: 55:28

Yep.

Speaker 3: 55:29

Okay, and you're, you're definitely going to get his best self. I think, because he's going to be playing for his last, probably big contract, exactly you'll get at least one good year of a, of good attitude out of him and then the next team can deal with him.

Speaker 1: 55:42

I hope so I'm not as confident as you guys are. He's just like you're going into full-blownblown diva mode. He's like kind of there already. He's not even trying to get there, he's already there. I'm like he going to be good.

Speaker 2: 55:57

Well, you watched him reset when he went from the Vikings to the Bills, right Like he was. He got signed with the Vikings, he was fine, and then, towards the end, he was super diva and was, you know, essentially ousted, right. So he gets to the bills. He's cool for the first, what year and a half? And then the honeymoon period ended and it really fell off from there I don't think it took that long.

Speaker 1: 56:24

I think my first year and a half.

Speaker 2: 56:26

I remember the first year and a half were cool, um, and then after that it was a problem. So this is going to fall into that same window, is? He seems to be fine for that first year. The, the honeymoon period seems to be one season for digs and then, and then he's a problem. So the good thing for them is he's going to be vested in making this work, because he's putting out tape this year to get paid by somebody and it's not going to be the Texans.

Speaker 3: 56:54

Yep. That's why they voided everything Exactly. I wonder if this need trade ends up hurting Kansas city more than they realized because defense really really carried them through the playoff run. I don't think it's going to help the Titans as much as maybe they think. I still think they've got a couple years away, but I wonder, does it weaken Kansas City enough to leave the door open for somebody else?

Speaker 2: 57:21

Well, I think what they're trying to do is get back to what it is when they had Hill right. So when they grab Xavier and although his hands aren't great, supreme speed Right. So if you can beat people over the top, they look like they're shifting back towards we'll win. Track meets Right, as opposed to we're going to beat you with defense. Now KC has won both ways. So I mean I can't even really hate on it. I don't like it just because I like defense, but I can't really fault him for it, because that first championship was all offense, no defense, right. So I mean it obviously works, provided they can get Xavier to actually catch the football, yeah.

Speaker 1: 58:12

Otherwise, yeah, that defense is going to be uh, you know, wishing they still had a couple guys I wish, I wish, I wish I grabbed the uh stuff that I was seeing seeing from the titans about. About this trade people. Some analysts are saying that you know, this is this makes them like contenders right away. I'm like, yeah, I I don. I don't see that. I thought Snead made some big plays last year with the Chiefs, no question about it, some game-changing stuff. But as far as him being on the Titans, I think Imani Hooker's still there, right? Am I right about that? Is he still on the team? I think Kevin Byard was the one that.

Speaker 3: 58:48

Byard was the one that was gone, and he's already on another team.

Speaker 1: 58:51

He moved right, but Imani Hooker's still there, right. So I mean Bayard and Hooker was considered, you know, a strong duo back there. But the sneak change that much where these guys ascend to, I guess, to their next level in the division based on what they had going on, I don't quite I'm kind of what you heard. I don't really see that. I don't quite I'm kind of what you heard. I don't really see that.

Speaker 3: 59:13

I don't know what kind of impact it's going to have. Man, I feel like it's more on the negative side for Kansas City than it is the positive for the Titans.

Speaker 3: 59:18

Yeah, Titans are collecting pieces like they think the division is there for the taking, you know, but I don't put them ahead of the Texans. And you really got to wonder do the Jags get it back together or not? You know, because that was your favorite going into the season. So you know, are you battling it out for third right now, or do you think you get into that second spot? So they're making moves like they think they can, but unless it's the guy, I still don't think they 100% know you can probably battle for that second spot because that you know, the Texans are going to own that division this year.

Speaker 2: 59:54

Right, the Jags still don't have a defense. Right, the Colts who knows? I mean, they played well with Minshew, but AR has a hard time staying healthy, right?

Speaker 3: 1:00:03

So if they can keep them upright, then it's amazing how much more, how harder, you get hit in the NFL than you do in college. It is yeah, they're going to have to teach them how to you know not get smashed constantly.

Speaker 2: 1:00:12

More how harder you get hit in the NFL than you do in college, you can't do the same things. They're going to have to teach them how to not get smashed constantly. Based on that, the Titans, Colts and Jags could be kind of all right there.

Speaker 1: 1:00:27

We can't touch the rest of these guys. We're going to have to grab this again next week Gary Judy, keenan Allen, brian Burns I really want to talk about that one next week too. Maybe we can try to do that, all right? Well, wherever you are and however you're listening today, call me Mr U the podcast. We thank you again for making us a part of your morning, your day and your week with that Monday thing and everything else. Tell me they can find you guys at man. Talk about your socials.

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He was waiting for his intro music to play.

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That's right. My day starts at 4 am, so it's.

Speaker 1: 1:01:53

Have a great day, guys. Enjoy the music. These guys put comments in at like 10 o'clock.

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