Transformed Lives Through Coaching with Guest Luke Andrews

What if you could transform your life through the power of coaching? Join us as we welcome Luke Andrews, who shares his heartfelt journey from Kentucky to Denver and back, with a deep-rooted passion for Kentucky basketball and profound experiences with coaches like Pitino and Calipari. Luke opens up about resisting and eventually embracing youth sports coaching, highlighting the precious moments spent with his children and the life lessons learned along the way. This episode is packed with personal stories and reflections that inspire and resonate with anyone seeking to make meaningful connections through sports and parenting.

Discover the secrets of building unwavering confidence, not just in sports but also in corporate environments and real estate. Luke and our host break down the myth of "clutch" moments, underscoring the vital role of consistent practice and preparation. Alongside, the host candidly discusses struggles with imposter syndrome and the hurdles

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Speaker 1: 0:50

Thank you, Welcome back to the All Purpose Pod for an all-purpose life. Wherever you are and however you are listening to the Call Me, Mr U, the podcast. We thank you again for making us a part of your morning, your day and your week with your weekly mirror check before you go change the world. We thank you for your time and for supporting our show, especially our YouTube channel. We definitely appreciate that and we are back on with our one-on-one the first one for the year, and our friend is in the house, Luke Andrews. Good morning, Luke. How you doing man?

Speaker 2: 1:19

Good morning. Good morning, that's a lot of pressure. Put me on, first one of the year, first one of the year.

Speaker 1: 1:24

That's all right, though I think it's going to be fantastic, man. You've got a fantastic story and I can't wait for folks to hear a little bit more about you, man. So we're going to just talk. It's really kind of informal.

Speaker 2: 1:35

I love it. That's the way I'm a simple kid from Kentucky. That's the way I do best.

Speaker 1: 1:46

Well, we're going to talk about that part too. Believe me, I'm I'll put you some questions about that part too, before we get into your background and everything. You mentioned Kentucky. I think it was Louisville that we talked about offline.

Speaker 2: 1:58

Are you team Patino or team Calipari? Well, so here's the thing. I mean Patino because he was kind of the OG there in Kentucky. I've always loved me some Ricky P, but I loved Coach Cal when he was here too. You know, the city was a little bit divided. When he was kind of on his way out heading to Arkansas, I was one of the ones that really wanted him to stay. You know, I get the sentiment that, you know, we keep recruiting these kids who are going to be one and done and college basketball is changing a little bit. But I mean, at the end of the day, what do you? What are you supposed to do? You're supposed to not recruit the best players that are out there? You know, it's not, it's not his fault that he's he's just able to get all of them. You know, I mean, at a certain point you just you kind of go after everybody, just like everybody else is doing. He, you, just you kind of go after everybody, just like everybody else is doing.

Speaker 1: 2:47

He's just better at getting them. Absolutely, man.

Speaker 2: 2:54

I guess you've been a fan of.

Speaker 1: 2:56

Kentucky basketball for a long time. Yeah, since, ever, since I was a kid man.

Speaker 2: 3:01

OK. Did that play a part in your desire to go into coaching, or was it? No, it really didn't. You know, I actually never really thought of myself as a coach, but it started. It's like youth sports, because I, I noticed this I, I lived in denver right after we got married. My wife and I, we just we just packed up and moved to denver one day uh graduated college on the 18th of december in 04 and we were in den on January 2nd.

Speaker 2: 3:24

No jobs, no money, no place to live, just our stuff in a trailer and kind of built, built a life there. We were there for 10 years, you know, uh, built a couple of houses, built a couple of businesses, had a couple of kids, Um, but I noticed, when my kids started playing sports out there, they were young, you know they, they would come to you. You just kind of check the box when you sign them up for the rec leagues and it's like, hey, I might be interested in being an assistant coach. And then they call you and they're like, oh, hey, here's, here's your roster coach. And I was like, Whoa, Whoa, I'm, I'm an assistant. And they said, well, you know, we didn't have anybody else sign up. I was like, well, I can't be a head coach. And they're like, well, if you don't do it, the kids won't be able to play.

Speaker 1: 4:06

Oh, no question.

Speaker 2: 4:07

No, not. And then we moved to Kentucky and again we sign up and I mark the box I might be willing to consider being an assistant coach, and same thing. It's like, hey, coach, here's your roster, go ahead and get the parents. And it's like, no, no. And they're like well, if you don't do it, the kids won't be able to play. And it's like if they're all going to, it's a thousand miles apart, but it's like they're all going to the same conference. That's giving them the same script to guilt parents into doing it.

Speaker 2: 4:32

But I fell in love almost instantly. It's not really something I wanted to do in the beginning, but I fell in love coaching those kids, developing those kids. I've realized over time I'm probably a better assistant coach than I am a head coach. I've done a little bit of both, but it's at the end of the day, as long as I get to be there with my kids, I get to spend a lot more time with them, because they're only young. Once you know, somebody put it into perspective. I've got my oldest is going to be a freshman in high school this year and they're like hey, you know, we've only got four summers left with him.

Speaker 2: 5:07

And I think about that and, like my heart just breaks and I know probably at least one or two of those summers he's going to be off doing so much with his friends I'm not going to get to see him, so as much time as I can get with him is absolutely possible. I've learned more about sports than I ever thought that I would. Sports that I didn't necessarily play on a competitive level growing up, but I've picked it up and it's just. It's something I've fallen in love with.

Speaker 1: 5:34

OK, well, that's pretty awesome. I want to come back to a few things, especially the Colorado part.

Speaker 2: 5:45

We'll talk about that later in our chat, but being a better assistant coach than a head coach. What do you mean by that? So it's like I said, I was always a pretty decent athlete growing up.

Speaker 2: 5:52

I was always good not great at everything that I did and I always managed to kind of find my way, usually at the bottom of the rosters that were that were out there, uh, worked my way up, able to able to play a little bit of college soccer, um, kind of kind of figured that out. But you know, as luck would have it, my kids both hated soccer, never wanted to play, which you know it's. It's hard for me because it was like well, that's the thing I know most about, um, but it's I. I've been able to go through. So I'm not necessarily I'm not as quick on the the strategic end of the coaching. So developing playbooks and recognizing in the moment super fast, like, if you give me enough time, I'm watching film, like I'm recognizing trends, yeah, head coaches, they got to be able to make decisions like just on the spot, going through, and that's just not me from a football and basketball perspective.

Speaker 2: 6:49

Ok, but I'm really really good at working with the kids, developing the kids. I especially like the kids that are kind of at the bottom of the roster that I see some good potential but they just need a little bit of extra, extra help. And I think because I was one of those kids and so that's just that's a real passion of mine. It's just going through and developing those kids and then trying to help teach them some life lessons along the way. Some of the things that the head coaches don't necessarily have time for they're dealing with parents and playbooks and schedules and all these things.

Speaker 2: 7:21

Let me go help develop some of those soft skills for the kids. Big coaches can do the hard skills, the actual things they're doing on the field. Let me just kind of help develop the mindset piece of it. Let me help develop the confidence piece of it and just some of the basics that are out there. That's what I love to do and, like I said, I'm a better assistant than a head coach. I know that I accept that role and I'm perfectly fine with it.

Speaker 1: 7:45

That sounds pretty awesome, man. One thing that we do and we've done it for several seasons on this show, especially in the beginning, our first two seasons specifically dealt a lot with personal development growing yourself before you try to grow the world kind of the premise for our show. I don't think we've gotten away from that. I think it's still there. But you know there's a lot going on that we do. But in your case you clearly have background coaching youth and encouraging the youth. If you had the option to coach young adults or the youth, you know, and it meant personal development for you like a challenge for you, and it meant personal development for you like a challenge for you.

Speaker 2: 8:27

What would you consider most? You know, I think I mean from a, from a challenge perspective. I think it would be. It would be the young adults at this point, because I haven't necessarily done that. No, I've done it in in the workforce.

Speaker 2: 8:45

So I'm I've been a leader in the corporate world, been a leader in the entrepreneurial world. I've got a team of about 23 real estate agents right now, most of them very, very young in age and also very young and just in terms of you know, industry, yeah, they're brand new to the business. So going through and getting an opportunity to coach them up help them realize dreams that they never thought that they could get to. Honestly, what I've noticed throughout the process is the skill set from a coaching perspective is pretty much the same, and a lot of the things that I'm teaching, especially from a mindset and a confidence, they're actually all the same. So I've taken things that I've been doing in the corporate world for the last 15 years and I've noticed that I'm incorporating those into coaching young kids on a sports field and then some of the things that I've learned from the kids. I'm actually going back and I'm teaching and coaching some of my team from a real estate perspective.

Speaker 1: 9:41

Okay, give me some of the similarities that you've been seeing. Sure, with our coaching in the corporate world, I think I know where you're going, but I'd love to hear what your thoughts are, and our viewers probably would too. So go ahead.

Speaker 2: 9:51

So for me, it's more about manufacturing confidence in the moment. What I found is the majority of people aren't naturally confident, especially in an area where something where they're stepping outside their comfort zone a little bit and part of it is just is just reps. You know, the the Navy SEALs have this amazing saying that we don't rise to the occasion, we default to our training. So we've got these kids they're all talking about, like you know how these pro athletes it's like this dude is clutch and that guy's clutch and I'm trying to help them understand that clutch isn't a real thing right? These guys aren't stepping up in a moment and doing something that they have never done before. This is the result of thousands and thousands of hours and thousands and thousands of reps that they have done over their lifetime. It's just now when they're called upon. It's second nature. They don't have to think about it because they've shot a thousand free throws in their driveway. So now, with two seconds left, and they're down by one and they're at the line. They're not worried about everything else. It's just the same thing that they've done over and over again.

Speaker 2: 10:59

So I've tried to build this framework of how do I teach you to be able to manufacture confidence in the moment. And then so that translates to my sales staff. Now it's like, hey, if you're out and you're making a big pitch to somebody you know, if you're up with with, with a homeowner who's being incredibly difficult, and you're a little bit nervous throughout this process, it's like if you don't have confidence in yourself, why should they have confidence in you? So how do we manufacture that in a moment, how do we get over those fears? And so, like I said, I've tried to create a framework that allows them to be able to go through and make a couple of physical adjustments to their body, posture, to their voice, inflection, how they're doing these things. That will instantly manufacture some confidence.

Speaker 1: 11:45

That's amazing.

Speaker 2: 11:48

Seeing it work on the sports field, seeing it work in the business field, and it's working all across the board.

Speaker 1: 11:52

That's amazing man. I like that. I love hearing that because we want to develop people and I'm kind of in that game too, even though I'm not in an official capacity anymore. I've been doing it privately and professionally for several years. I get that man. I love the mindset there, definitely, and the clutch part. I hope we have time to come back to that because I love that kind of conversation.

Speaker 1: 12:12

When it comes to sports, yeah, absolutely All over your social media, everything's about who's clutch, who's clutch. I'm like man, they don't realize. It's kind of like the slight edge. If I can quote one of my favorite books, it's really about that. It's a simple, consistent, daily disciplines every day. People never see it. They don't see the hardware, they don't see the grinding. All they see the result, anything. All the person is overnight success. They didn't see how they got there, yeah, but I will come back to a little bit what we're talking about offline. You've been in the podcast game for a few years now, but you've been doing it as a guest. You haven't started your own podcast. You haven't seemingly thought about it much seriously. What made it your goal to, with all the knowledge that you have, to not start your own podcast and kind of create your own brand in that realm and stay in the area of a guest. What made you decide to do?

Speaker 2: 13:01

that. Well, can I get a little bit vulnerable with you in the audience for a second? That's up to you, brother. Well, hey, I mean, a lot of it is just fear. There's a posture syndrome that starts creeping in. There's this do I have enough to say? Is what I have to say good enough? Am I disciplined enough to have the consistency? That goes on.

Speaker 2: 13:26

I mean, people won't understand just because there's so many podcasts out there. They have no idea how many podcasts start and they fail. They have no idea how difficult it is to keep cranking out episode after episode, week after week, season after season, like you've done there. It takes so much discipline, it takes so much work, it takes so much upstairs, both from a mindset and a confidence standpoint, but just a knowledge standpoint.

Speaker 2: 13:53

And so I start, you know, you start doubting yourself on the inside and it's like can I really go out? Can I do this week after week? Will I really have something new to say week after week? Will I really be able to bring value to an audience week after week? Because I take it very personally, I take it very seriously when somebody asks me to come be a part of what they're doing, and I think about that from a podcast host perspective. If somebody is going to subscribe to my podcast, they are inviting me in, they are expecting something out of me. I take that very serious and I want to make sure that I'm providing exactly what their expectations are. And you said, man, there's just, there's a lot of imposter syndrome that starts creeping in and it's like do I really have what it takes to be able to do that?

Speaker 1: 15:22

Yeah, I mean, and just in our brief conversations leading up to this one, I feel like you have a lot to say. I'm not trying to goad you into making your own podcast, because I can tell you it's not the easiest thing in the world. It is a labor of love and if you love it with all your heart and something you're really passionate about, that'll carry you. But it's not easy. It's not easy to even ask for support of it and subscriptions and that kind of thing that help you take it to another level. It's not easy, but you got to stay true to yourself.

Speaker 1: 16:00

You're a pretty upfront, honest guy man, so I think you would do great in that. But that's a little confidence boost, I guess. Hopefully that helps you. But if you only think you need to, it's not you don't have to, it. Just you bring something to the table, though. Just know that part about it at the very least. One of the things I'm most about in our conversations is also is your desire for volunteering and it being one of your passions. Where have you been serving specifically and why have you kind of made that your focus?

Speaker 2: 16:31

So, you know, volunteer a lot from a sports perspective, but I also go into a lot of local high schools. I do a lot of speaking and teaching some classes. I've done some work with junior achievement, but I like going into the high schools and they brought me in multiple times in several different high schools around town where I'll be teaching like a four week class. I'll come in once a week, I'll teach a class for four or five weeks and it'll either be on some basics of personal finance, which our public school system is very, very lacking in teaching some of those skill sets that kids really need and the other is what we call personal success, and it's a better way to put it is just what do employers expect? So you know how to fill out job applications, yeah, how to interview. You know what should your first couple of weeks look like? What are employers expecting? Just on how you're writing an application, how you're filling it out, the completeness, using pens versus pencils and scratching things out, and how you're showing up, even just to turn in an application. You know, are you showing up or are you dressed the right way? Are you dressed for success? Are you overdressed, are you underdressed, but just kind of going through and talking through some of those things overdressed, are you underdressed? But just kind of going through and talking through some of those things. I've done it at some of the more expensive private high schools. I've also done it at some of the areas, like some of the lower socioeconomic areas, which I tend to like those significantly better, because that's more how I grew up.

Speaker 2: 18:03

I didn't grow up very much. Grow up I had parents that were fantastic, parents that loved me, parents that worked extremely hard. There just wasn't a lot of extra to go around. And I told these kids like hey, I know I don't have it anywhere near as bad as some of them sitting in the room, like, I was never in this phase where I didn't know where my next meal was coming from, but there were a lot of times I knew that next meal was going to be peanut butter and jelly on slightly stale bread or it was going to be ramen, because that's what we had. But you know. So I also like to be able to spread the message to like hey, it doesn't matter where you start, it matters about the work that you put into it, it matters about how you finish and where you go and so I'd like to be.

Speaker 2: 18:45

I had great people like that in my life growing up, in my early career, and I'd like to be that for somebody else and if I can, just if I can, come through and just you know, just light bulb goes off for one or two of those kids and they're like oh, dude's a lot like me. We grew up kind of the same and he was able to figure, figure it out. You know, because it's easy to look at some of these kids from some of these private schools who you know quote, get all the breaks, you know, and it's just, it's easy to say, well, they got all the advantages. I could never do that. Yeah, you can. Path's going to look a little bit different, it's going to be difficult, and it doesn't mean that those kids don't have struggles too. It doesn't mean that their parents don't have struggles. Struggles are just a little bit different.

Speaker 1: 19:33

That's kind of where I want to hang out for a quick little bit. When you you are in position, when you are counseling and teaching people on different sides of the social People on different sides of the social economical scale, what surprised you about each one in the lower income, underdeveloped area and in the one where it was a lot more privileges and opportunities. What surprised you about each experience for you?

Speaker 2: 20:09

You know, what I found was both groups were very entrepreneurial and I feel like society has done a good job about kind of leading kids that direction. You know, I feel like kids. Maybe I was just blind to it, I don't know. I mean, there's this old saying your eyes only see and your ears only hear what you're looking for. So maybe I'm just open to it at this point. But I'm just seeing kids that are talking about starting their own businesses and they've all got fairly similar ideas. Now I mean the differences between the. Necessarily, you know what I actually. I think what really surprised me is I felt the kids from the higher socioeconomic areas and those more expensive private schools would have a greater understanding for personal finance.

Speaker 2: 21:02

And in fact, I think they probably had less of an understanding because money wasn't necessarily real to them. You know they, whatever they needed, they got. You know their parent they needed new shoes. Parents went out and got them new shoes, whereas the kids from the lower socioeconomic areas, you know they're all talking about like having jobs at 14, 15, 16 years old and like, having to say, some of them actually contributing to the family bills every month. It's like, hey, if I don't go to work and I don't kick in a little bit, we don't have lights. You know, we don't have water at the house. And so they had a stronger understanding of the money piece of it. Now, they didn't necessarily know what all needed to get done.

Speaker 2: 21:45

I also found, too, that kids all think the same. You know where it's. If you ask them like, hey, if you could have, you know, if I had a genie right here, I could grant you three wishes. What are you going to ask for? And it's like, first thing they're asking for is like a million dollars.

Speaker 2: 22:03

It's like, okay, well, let's really sit down and talk about what a million dollars looks like, because to most of these kids they think that a million dollars they're just, they're set for life. They're flying on private jets and not doing. They don't have to go to work anymore. Trying to help them understand the value of money going forward and also, too, to not limit their thoughts, their dreams, their goals. It's like, hey, if you've got a genie right here going to grant you anything, ask for a hundred million, ask for a billion, and then turn around and if you don't need that much, give a bunch of it away. Go help out other people, but help them not limit within their minds of just like hey, if I had a million dollars, life's going to be real easy and it just ain't the case.

Speaker 1: 22:49

Without question, definitely a busy man. One thing we talked about offline I want to kind of jump into that a little bit and I was really interested about the kids. I kind of expected that to be some of the answer, but I was shocked by another part of it. Really good stuff there. I want to hear your best and worst coaching story. Now. Give me a second to think about that.

Speaker 1: 23:12

And I'm asking that because a lot of the times and even in the realm that I'm in right now where I deal with sports every monday at 9 am in the morning and I'm dealing with what I think are relevant topics, but I'm trying to always go deeper. Like we talked about, I'm going beyond stats and just numbers and historical aspects. I want to get a little deep. I want to get into the human side of it, because I think that story is better and has more substance, more longevity, than just the numbers that somebody puts up.

Speaker 1: 23:40

But we talk about coaches and we talk about them in a way almost like if it was us we can do the same thing or we could do a better job and we put ourselves in that. I'm like be the coaches of anything, I don't care if it's semi-professional or professional. It's not what you see on television. It's deeper than that. It's more involved with that. It's more education involved, experience plays a part, knowledge, a whole bunch of other things. I want to hear your best and worst coaching story and kind of give our viewers and listeners an opportunity to kind of understand what it's like on both sides of the coin on the successful side and on the side that's maybe not so successful, sure.

Speaker 2: 24:26

You know I'll start with the worst coaching side. For those who have not had the pleasure of coaching their own kids, it is one of the hardest things in the world to do. There are so many challenges that you have to think about where. It's like hey, I need to be a champion and an advocate for my kid, but I also have to do what's best for the team. And then oh, by the way, I can't show too much favoritism for my own kid, because then I'm going to get pushed back from the parents and from the other players and all of these other things. So I tend, as my wife will tell you, I live in the extremes. I don't have a middle ground. That is by far my biggest weakness. If I was ever in a job interview and they're like hey, tell me your biggest weakness, that is a nightmare question for most people. For me, it was super easy no middle ground. For most people. For me, it was super easy no middle ground, I'm all in or I'm all out.

Speaker 2: 25:34

So I tended to overcorrect a little bit and I was so hard on my own kids, so much so that they would come home crying. I remember my youngest son. He was crying in bed one night as I was tugging him in and I was like what's wrong, bud? And he was like dad, why are you so much harder on me than all the other kids? Wow, and it just it broke my heart. But I it was a moment that it was like is he old enough for me to be really honest with him? And I I just decided, let's, let's have that conversation, bud, and so I told him I was like, first and foremost, I have been too hard on you. I will own that, I will accept that I have been way too hard on you and I will do better.

Speaker 2: 26:17

But here are some of the reasons why I made it to that point. One, I see so much potential in you as a kid, so much potential, and I know where I can push you and I know what you can do. Two, sometimes I need to coach and I know what you can do. Two, sometimes I need to coach some of the other kids through you. I can say some things to you that I can't say to the other kids, but I can say it loud enough so that everybody else is going to hear. And three, I need some of those parents to hear me talking to you because, one, I want to coach hear me talking to you because one, I want to coach, coach them through you. And two, I see some of these parents who they are so vulnerable, obsessed with what they call daddy ball and so obsessed with the coaches kids getting all the breaks. There you go.

Speaker 2: 27:03

Okay, I don't want, I don't want them to ever take anything away from my kids. I don't want them to think that they haven't earned every second of playing time, that they have every opportunity that they get. I want all of these other parents to look and say he was harder on him than everybody else. That kid earned more. That kid earned everything that he got. I never wanted anybody to come in and take anything away from my kids and say that they only got their opportunities because I was the coach. That makes sense. But that was I mean by far that's. That is the hardest balance that I still walk to this day. By far that is the hardest balance that I still walk to this day.

Speaker 2: 27:43

But, having those conversations, both my kids have both come crying to me saying, dad, why are you so much harder on me than everybody else? And it's like I have to look at it from three lenses, right. So I've got dad. I've got father and I've got coach. As the coach, I have to be objective. I've got to do what's best for the team. As father, I have to do what's best for my kids long-term, and sometimes that means a lot of discipline now for better results down the road. But as dad, my heart just breaks and it's like I just want to scoop them up and I just want to hug them. I want to take away every ounce of pain that this world's going to bring. But I know from a father and a coach perspective that that's not what's best for them long-term. So I got to try to balance all three of those hats by far the hardest thing that I've ever had to do. But coaching my own kids is so unbelievably rewarding, but it is so unbelievably tough.

Speaker 1: 28:35

So are you telling me that this experience is the best and the worst it?

Speaker 2: 28:41

is. I won't say that that is my best coaching experience um, but it's your best coaching experience so we I, I had an opportunity to to coach a kid a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2: 28:55

um, I was, it was on a. It was on that more like a, like a recreational team. You know, everybody's up is on a team. So this kid, he had down syndrome, okay, and it was an opportunity where it was just a. Was it a more challenging coaching experience for me? Absolutely it was. It was just different. I had never, I'd never worked um with with anyone with down syndrome before and so having to go through. But you know, it was just to me it was like we're just going to do everything the same. He's going to do all the same drills. He can do all the same everything.

Speaker 2: 29:35

At the end of the season, um, his parents wrote me a letter that I kept. That letter and I mean it's just like it's hard to even talk about without starting to cry. But they talked about how that, because I held him accountable, I made him do everything that the other kids were doing. It made him feel so included and they felt that that was going to help him in his development going forward, that they understood that his, his sports days were especially at this level. We're coming to an end.

Speaker 2: 30:09

Yes, there may be opportunities for special Olympics and things down the road, but he didn't have a whole lot of opportunities left. And the way that I held him accountable, the way that I made him feel included in the way that I, and the way that I held him accountable, the way that I made him feel included and the way that I, it just it's one of those things that just touches your heart that you don't realize you're just doing what you feel like you need to do in the moment and you never know who you're going to reach, who you're going to touch throughout those processes and it just it was awesome. That's amazing, brother.

Speaker 1: 30:38

Absolutely that's amazing. I guess it takes awesome. That's amazing, brother. Absolutely that's amazing. I guess it takes me a lot of places, but I'm going to try to stay on track. But that's pretty touching man. Thank you for sharing that.

Speaker 1: 30:49

I think I talked to you about a little bit of not sure if I did, but I got a grandson that's running track. He was wrestling for a little while and playing football, primarily Entering high school next year, his views as a long-term goal are football. He thinks it's going to be the meal ticket for everything that he's ever going to need in life. All you have to do is be good at football and he'll be set flat, he'll be taken care of. I don't know if I failed as a mentor and a grandparent that he thinks that, or he just has his own goal. He's pretty rigid about it. I think it's more the latter because I've tried to express that man.

Speaker 1: 31:28

I've seen people's lives, even on the collegiate level here locally, and I've seen former players I grew up around and it's like it's not. It's not what you think and it's not always so easy to get to the highest level. A lot of people, percentage wise, don't make it happen now. You have to be a part if you don't want to, but I do want to mention or talk a little bit about what you said about your kids in our uh, in our pre-production, about your kid wanting to leave football in favor of some other things. Are you, are you comfortable sharing what the primary reasons were for them deciding to do that? Because I don't know if my grandson is going to ever get there he may, he may not. I'm not really sure about that. I'd love to hear why they decided that football wasn't for them when it's so commonly popular for everybody else.

Speaker 2: 32:13

Yeah. So I have no problem sharing that whatsoever. So my kids, I think kind of left for left for different reasons whatsoever. So my kids, I think kind of left for left for different reasons. Ultimately I think they both left for a love perspective. It just wasn't like they liked football, they love football.

Speaker 2: 32:35

So my I'll I'll start with my oldest cause. His is, his is probably a little, a little simpler. It just he was. He kind of came to the football game late. He was going to start at the school where my kids go.

Speaker 2: 32:48

They start tackle football in first grade, which a lot of people are very much against. That I am 100% for it. I was also in that camp. I was against it as well, but I looked at it and when I really kind of dug into it, these kids are learning proper techniques at a younger age. So they're learning how to tackle safely and, just as importantly, how to get tackled safely at an age where they can't move fast enough to really hurt themselves or anybody else. So I think that it's actually a benefit starting at a at a younger age.

Speaker 2: 33:26

But that that said my older son. He was going to start in fourth grade and broke his arm right before the season started Wow Going to start in. I'm sorry, that was fifth grade. Sixth grade he got to play, but these kids have been playing together for a number of years. He didn't get to play a whole lot. Seventh grade he comes in and during preseason, during the camp, he broke his collarbone on a play. Wow For the season. Crazy enough, a week later my younger son broke the exact same left collarbone at football practice. Both of them out for the season. And so they were a week apart, same bone broken. But they were amazing about it. They both attended every single practice, every single game. It gave them an opportunity to learn that they can serve their teammates without being on the field, that they can be leaders without actually catching touchdowns or breaking up passes. They could, they could hand out water they could. They could do all of these things. But it's just like I said from my, from my oldest. He kind of came to it a little bit later. He knew that football was just going to be kind of more of a of a hobby. There wasn't going to be a long-term issue for it.

Speaker 2: 34:46

And then, when you get into high school, our high school program has been incredibly successful several state championships, several former NFL guys on the staff and there's there's no freshman team. The team's not quite big enough, so it's only JV and varsity. It's 20, 25 hours of practice a week, a whole lot of standing around, and he didn't feel like it was the best use of his time so he wanted to focus more on basketball. I'm okay with that. My younger son, who I have primarily coached most of the time and I've coached every football team he's been on since second grade he was at a phase his his favorite coach left, which he said was you know, he was like, he was like that was one of the reasons why I stayed for so long. He was like. He was just so motivating and got me out there and he pushed me and he wasn't going to be there any longer and he also looked at it.

Speaker 2: 35:42

He was starting to kind of shift a little more towards basketball and he loves golf and during the spring this year we've got spring football practice. He's got a travel AAU basketball team and it was spring golf season for the middle school and there were days we're looking at the schedule where all three were going to have conflicts. They had practice or games for all three and as he started kind of prioritizing and said, okay, this is what, where I want to spend my time and focus. Football was always last on the list and football has the least tolerance absence policy. And so he just looked at it, he made a decision, he prayed about it, he thought about it, he took.

Speaker 2: 36:25

He took multiple weeks trying to figure this out and he finally decided that his football journey ended, which was difficult for me because it was. It meant that my coaching journey was now going to be over. You know, I get 35 hours a week back and back in my week every week cause I'm not coaching any longer. But you never know what it's going to be your last ride coaching your kids.

Speaker 2: 36:45

And you know, he just decided and both of them we made sure to say, okay, you're not just going to stop playing and go play video games, we're going to do nothing, we're going to transfer that time into something else, something else that's productive. I don't care if it's band, I don't care if it's basketball, I don't care if it's golf, I don't care, it doesn't really matter what it is. If you're super into art or going and joining the play or the drama club, whatever, it doesn't matter to me, but you're going to do something productive and valuable with your time. And they have both dove in very, very heavily to basketball, and then my youngest is also in golf as well.

Speaker 1: 37:23

So it's just for them. It was just a shifting priority, okay, well, that's that's. That's pretty mature for those of you. Sound like you're raising them right, man.

Speaker 2: 37:36

I try, I tell them.

Speaker 1: 37:37

I make mistakes every single day. It's totally the job. I'd love to hear your opinion. You mentioned Colorado. I'd love to hear your opinion. I don't know if you know about the Colorado Buffalo story and Coach Sanders, and I'd love to hear your thoughts. Are you familiar with what's going on with the program? What are your thoughts on that? I'm just curious, since you were in Colorado and in coaching, just wondering what you thought about the whole situation.

Speaker 2: 38:00

Uh, kind of share what you think about that sure, so I will tell you that it I am a little torn on that okay uh, because I I did while we were in colorado.

Speaker 2: 38:10

I did go to grad school. I got my mba at colorado state, which is a big for for cu um. So it was. It was difficult for me, but I have always loved Prime since I was a kid. His posters were on my wall. My younger son, who was a corner in football, has a signed Deion jersey hanging above his bed. That's incredible. So it was as much as I hated to see the success of Colorado and all of the all of the notoriety and accolades that they were getting from the national media for the buffs. I was just. I was happy for the program because I was happy for crime.

Speaker 2: 38:51

I'm happy for what he's done for for college sports. I'm happy for the swagger that he brings to it. I think it's I. I know it's turned a lot of people off. I think it's awesome because he is, he is, he is extremely true to himself.

Speaker 2: 39:05

Um, did his bravado get the best of him a couple of times? Probably so, but you know what he didn't do. He didn't change his approach and that's. That's all you can ask from anybody. He is unbelievably genuine. He is an unbelievably hard worker and it it seems I don't know them personally whatsoever. It seems like he's raising great sons who are going to be insane athletes. They'll probably never live up to their dad. But who could? Um, you know. But man the guy, he's just doing a lot of things right. And as much as it pains me to say, I almost went out and bought a CU sweatshirt because I love those white ones that's my phrase, man, you know those white ones with the gold and black letters. I mean they were clean sweatshirt, I loved them. I didn't go buy it, but I came real close, Came real close.

Speaker 1: 39:58

All right. Well, that's all. Those things are fair assessments, man, I totally get with it. We discussed a situation on the show pretty much ad nauseum. Maybe we were discussing it because it was just so relevant at the time. But I never really had an issue with his coaching per se. I know some players that left because of his coaching style. They didn't feel like they were valued, etc. Etc. When you're not there, you gotta take it with a grain of salt because you didn't see it yourself, you didn't hear yourself, saw third, fourth hand information. But when it comes to the players and, I think, the culture, how they present themselves, how they treat other players and other people, what are your thoughts on that part? Do you feel like the culture is going well in Colorado because of that part or do you think it's just a series of isolated incidents? What do you think?

Speaker 2: 40:52

Well, like you said, it's hard to know without actually being there. And going back to something that I said earlier, your eyes only see and your ears only hear what you're looking for, something that I said earlier your eyes only see and your ears only hear what you're looking for, because I like Prime so much.

Speaker 2: 41:04

I'm probably looking at it through some rose colored glasses and my thought has always been there's probably a few sour grapes. I do know how that program has run in the past and I think that it has been a little soft over the last 10 to 15 years.

Speaker 2: 41:17

And some of these kids probably came in with certain expectations and now they're being pushed differently. And I have seen that in other programs that I've been a part of. I've seen that kids who have some coaching changes or they come into a team or a program and they're conditioned a little bit differently, they're trained a little bit harder throughout the process. They're trying to build up some of the mental toughness and I think that that is difficult for some folks. Now, again, from a coach's perspective, all of your intentions can be great and moving in the right direction, but it is real easy to cross a line.

Speaker 2: 41:57

It's real easy to take it a little bit too far when you think I'm just pushing them, I'm making them better, I'm building up mental toughness, and all of a sudden the kid's crying in the corner of the shower and it's like, oh, I went too far. It really is. It's hard to say and again, because of the view that I'm looking at it, I'm choosing to look at it as man. He's just pushing them really hard. It's something they're not used to and maybe they're just not ready for it. But my guess is, the truth probably lies somewhere in between. He probably did take it a little bit too far, but if that's the culture that he's trying to build, then I guess that it's better that.

Speaker 1: 42:35

Hey, we need to push out, as many of the people that don't want to be on this train because this train ain't for everybody Understood. They got some room to grow, they won four games.

Speaker 2: 42:45

They did, they did. They need to be on this train.

Speaker 1: 42:48

We got to make sure you're building it right, because that's really important. Some of the stuff that comes out of the players' mouths, including his own children, I believe a lot to be desired. There's some questions there. This season is going to be a lot of eyes going to be on it this season. I know mine and our co-hosts we're going to be watching this season intently because we want to see some progression. We're looking for that. You'll probably be doing the same thing. We'll ask you a quick real estate question before we get into the end of our conversation.

Speaker 1: 43:17

Many people and I meet them in the course of my networking and doing our business ventures and stuff, and I run into people who are doing real estate no level education, no mentorship, nothing like that. What would you say made real estate a good idea for you and what advice would you give to somebody who's pondering taking that path? It's a two-part question. What would that be for you and what would you say to somebody who's pondering taking that path? It's a two-part question. What would that be for you and what would you say to somebody who's pondering taking that same step?

Speaker 2: 43:45

Well. So I can tell you for me, I got into it a little bit differently than most people do. Okay, I was in the corporate world. I was in strategic marketing and data analytics for a Fortune 100. So I led a team there and my wife was actually an agent and she comes to me and she says, you know, she was like, hey, you know, if you were licensed, even part-time, she was like you could just show people for me, because I was commuting from downtown to the suburbs every day. She was like, well, you could just stop on your way home from work and just show a couple houses, and that way she wouldn't have to go out during rush hour.

Speaker 2: 44:19

So I was like ah you know I was kind of looking for a new challenge anyway. So I took the course, which is about 90 some hours, took the test, got licensed and was just doing it part-time and I fell in love with it. Like for me it was like, how can I do more of this? I love the entrepreneurial aspect of it more than anything I love. For me it was it's like a puzzle. It's like everything is just problem solving. I tell my kids every morning when I drop them off, a carpool, you'll never go broke solving problems. And it's just like, constantly I'm just looking for problems that I can solve. I'm looking for a puzzle that I can put together deals that nobody else could hold together. I'm trying to be the one that's taking care of that. So I put in. We created a 24 month transition plan for how I could leave my corporate nine to five and move over to real estate full time.

Speaker 1: 45:07

Okay.

Speaker 2: 45:08

Because it's you know, obviously leaving a nice salary and bonuses and 401ks and benefits and everything else to just kind of go and doing your own thing. But we we made that transition about nine or 10 months. So that 24 monthmonth plan we sped that up pretty quickly and that was about seven years ago. So, like I said, for me the thing that I loved most about it is the puzzle aspect and going through and just trying to keep deals together and solve problems.

Speaker 1: 45:36

Solve problems. Are you guys tag teaming together? Are you working together or is it kind of a separate entity?

Speaker 2: 45:41

We did for a while and she took a little bit of time off as my business really started growing. She was able to step back and just kind of be mom for a little bit while our kids were kind of late elementary school, early middle school. And now that they are, now that they're a little bit older, they're a little more self-sufficient she's actually been able to come back into the office, just in a different role. She's more of an agent support role. She's our director of agent development for our brokerage as a whole. So yeah, so I'm kind of more on the production and the leadership side. She's more kind of helping out agents develop and kind of the one-off thing. So I think it's we still get to work together, which we love. We're one of those weird couples that we enjoy working together, but we did tag team it for a little while.

Speaker 2: 46:28

But to get to your second question of what advice I'd give to somebody who's looking at moving into the real estate space, I've been fortunate enough I've gotten to interview hire fire I mean hundreds of agents over the years. The ones where I find that really don't have the success that they need are the ones that when I ask because I always ask them questions. I'm like oh, why real estate? Why are you moving over here? And it's usually I want a place where I can make a good living and be really flexible with my hours. And and. Or they say oh well, you know what I like. You know I've always loved houses and seeing the different architecture and the different types of houses, and you know that's always been interesting and fascinating to me.

Speaker 2: 47:23

Those are two answers that I found will almost always lead to failure in the industry. One, because it's not very flexible. It's especially in the beginning, in the first couple of years. You're so lead, dependent, dependent on leads. Everybody thinks that you know. The second, that they hang their shingle, that people are going to be beaten down their door asking them to buy or sell houses, and it just ain't the case. And so you have to go through and you have to work these leads.

Speaker 2: 47:46

And these leads don't know who you are. They haven't built up any rapport whatsoever, so there's a speed aspect to it. So when they click on Zillow or realtorcom or any of these places, all they want to do is they want to see the inside of the house. They don't care about your background, they don't care about anybody. You're just a door opener to them, so you have to be able to.

Speaker 2: 48:06

It's like who can get there fastest, and so you have to be in a space where you can just kind of drop everything and go. Then you get a chance to kind of build rapport and do all these things while you're there with them. But you never get that opportunity if you're not flexible enough in there. So, yeah, it's a great career for flexibility, but the flexibility needs to be with your personal life, to be able to go back to work at least for the first couple of years. And then the thing about looking at the inside of houses that fades real quick. So that's not going to sustain you long-term. You need to have other drivers that are in there, um, and I think what you're also going to find too, especially in a market like Louisville, kentucky, you know this isn't Beverly Hills right, this isn't Manhattan, so you're not seeing a lot.

Speaker 2: 48:54

There's some cool houses here, don't don't get me wrong, but we're not seeing those on a regular basis. I mean, normally we're seeing just your basic, built in the mid-90s, you know, four bed, two and a half bath. They all pretty much look the same. You can look at the outside of the house and I can pretty much tell you what the inside is going to look like. Wow, so it's that kind of stuff. Fades, you have to have other drivers that are in there. The ones that are usually successful are the ones who are like, hey, I'm looking for a career that has no income, cap One where I can go and I can make it what I want to make it. There's a low barrier to entry to get into the business can be a positive and it can be a negative.

Speaker 2: 49:37

It's not very expensive to get in. It doesn't take. I mean, yeah, it's a 90-some hour class but you can take that over the course of a year. You can do it all online and for under a thousand bucks you can be up and running with a business Right. So it's pretty easy to get into and it gives you an opportunity. There really is an unlimited income potential. I've had numerous agents that have come through and made over $200,000 in gross commissions in their first 12 months in the business. No experience didn't have a large sphere of influence, nothing. They can come through. We can teach them how to do that. But they had to be really driven to want to go out and actually build something and not just be excited about the flexibility or be excited about going and looking inside, you know quote unquote cool houses.

Speaker 1: 50:25

Oh, absolutely, that means license, good stuff, man, good information, Definitely when all our posts are watching that thing about real estate, you need to hear that. So I hope that's a good information and wisdom for them.

Speaker 2: 50:36

Put my information If somebody's looking to just like hey, I'm considering real estate as a potential career. I'm happy to talk to anybody Because of that low barrier to entry. I'm a firm believer that our industry needs more good people in it. Figure out if it's the right spot for them. I'm more than happy to do that Because it's just like I said, our industry needs more good agents in it taking care of people now more than ever. With some of the most recent lawsuits and changes to our industry.

Speaker 1: 51:12

Absolutely, I'm definitely going to try to facilitate that through this episode, man, and through our connection together. Man, I'm definitely going to make sure that we can make that work for you. But in that same line, you talked about some courses you have. I think you mentioned some soft skill programs that you were talking about. People want to reach out to you with questions about real estate and the soft skills questions. How do they go about finding you? How can they reach out to you to get information on the programs and answer any questions about real estate?

Speaker 2: 51:40

Sure, I think right now the easiest way to get in touch with me is just shoot me an email, luke, at lukeandrewsus. Or they can find me on LinkedIn. I'm most active over there. I'm not fantastic with Instagram, facebook, all those others, tiktok, all that stuff. I'm just not great at it, but I'm fairly active on LinkedIn. Or just shoot me an email. I am in the process. So it's.

Speaker 2: 52:02

You know, as we talked about, I'm super passionate about youth athletes and trying to help them grow and build. Told you, I'm a great assistant coach, not so much a head coach, but I started creating these courses, which we're getting ready to launch in the next probably seven to 10 days, that are building up those soft skills for these athletes probably seven to 10 days that are building up those soft skills for these athletes With the advent of NIL and the opportunities for additional scholarships and working with now that college athletes can pick up actual sponsorships. So we're trying to go through and help them build some of those effective communication skills, help them manufacture confidence in the moment. I've taken the framework that I've used in the corporate world, that I've also taught to high school students over the years, and I want to bring that out to youth athletes. So I built a course all around the youth athletic space that are really all about hey, how do we manufacture confidence in the moment? How do we become more effective communicators? How do we better talk to coaches, scouts and recruiters? I interviewed a ton of those and just found some of the challenges that they're seeing with the youth athletes today when they go to talk to them.

Speaker 2: 53:05

So I was like all right, well, let's solve this problem. That's the thing I like to do. I like to solve problems. I like to figure out this puzzle. How can we solve this to make it easier so these kids are able to get more scholarships? Cause I knew for me, like when I was choosing sports in high school, I didn't get to choose sports based upon what I loved. I had to choose upon where I could get the most scholarship dollars, because that was the only way I was going to school. I needed those scholarship dollars and that's why I leaned more towards soccer, because it was I had the most potential and I had the most opportunity for dollars coming in, and I want kids to be able to have those same opportunities that I did, and I couldn't have done it without being able to effectively communicate to the coaches that were out there. So how can we make those adjustments and changes? And that's what I've tried to build.

Speaker 1: 53:49

Absolutely. I want to ask you two more questions before we close out our conversation. Please do One you mentioned in a pre-production. I'll talk prior to this episode about listening to our show and kind of being drawn to certain aspects of the show. I want you to go into that a little bit if you can, because a lot of times when you're starting a podcast and you're in this realm, that we're in communications realm and what have you, it's really difficult to find people that you connect with, that get you that kind of connect with you on a level outside of just the topics that you talk about. And I want to kind of let people know that you know what this is possible. I mean, you're a very insightful person. You've got a lot to bring to the table. We can clearly see that from this episode today. So I want to kind of get your thoughts on what you heard, how you found us, what brought it about and what you gleaned from just your own research of us and our show made you want to come on with us today.

Speaker 2: 54:44

Sure. So I mean, I loved the fact that you, you combined a mindset, sports, and then there was a spirituality aspect to it as well. So there was kind of a faith-based aspect, especially in some of the earlier seasons, that that you had, and it was just, it was opportunity. But, like I said, that, the mindset and sports piece of it, that's what I do on a on a daily basis. That's that's where I'm most focused anytime I'm a part of a coaching staff, and so it was like all right, well, how can I get involved, you know, with, with, with this particular podcast?

Speaker 2: 55:21

Because it just it spoke to everything that I was doing and it was like, oh man, this is, this is what I'm doing on a daily basis, and there's somebody out there actually podcasting about this. Let's get on and let's talk, because you never know what you're going to pick up, what you're going to learn, how you're going to be better, how you're going to relate better to the kids and relate better as a, as a mentor. I just the things that you pick up. I'm always looking for great connections and you have been a phenomenal one.

Speaker 1: 55:48

I appreciate it and I hope you stay connected, man. I don't think on your side, I don't. I don't think there's such a chance. I know that when you meet somebody that connects you like that, you don't that. Don't blow away in the wind, man. You stick with it. Man. Here's my last question. You might've think about it a little bit. It might be a tough one. It's my last question, for you Sounds like you're a sports fan From what I've been hearing. I've been hearing a lot about sports context.

Speaker 2: 56:14

What's your all time favorite sports moment and why All time favorite?

Speaker 1: 56:21

sports moment. Um, I could have made it real hard instead of non-kentucky moment, but I didn't do that, so I'll tell you what my all-time favorite sports moment is.

Speaker 2: 56:30

uh, it actually happened just just a just a few months ago. So my, my older son, I told you he he kind of came to the football game a little bit late. Um, he went through a massive growth spurt, really, really quickly, you know, between like sixth and seventh grade. Just in the summer in four months he went from a five and a half to a nine and a half in a shoe he grew so much. I mean, like it caused some real problems with his coordination. Like it was as a dad, as a former athlete, as all of these things, just as a spectator, like it was hard to watch him out there running and trying to trying to do these things. It was a little bit of a struggle watching him kind of come into his own just a little bit Last year as as an eighth grader.

Speaker 2: 57:17

They're in the, they're in, they're in the state tournament and I believe it was the semifinal game and it was towards the end of the game and he goes out for a corner route towards the end and this ball goes up and he is covered like crazy.

Speaker 2: 57:39

And this kid just my son, who has always struggled just a little bit more in sports than his brother just goes up and makes this insane catch coming to the ground and it's just like the crowd, the crowd went nuts. You see his teammates on the side because it happened right there on his sidelines and they're all jumping around and bouncing for him and it just I mean honestly'm starting starting to tear up a little bit now but just such a such a proud dad moment. And it just happened to be that we had we had a great camera operator up up in the up in the booth catching it and we had somebody we actually had two different people down on the sidelines who caught it kind of at that field level. We had all of these different versions and views of it. I mean it was just you got to send me a video man.

Speaker 2: 58:26

I will send that over. That is my favorite sports moment of all time Caps, anything that I've seen live in person, all of these things it just doesn't compare.

Speaker 1: 58:40

I respect you so much more, man. You could have said anything. Yeah, you've got history, decades of it. You could pull anything. You pull that about your kids. I love it, man, but I'm so grateful that we're connected, man. I mean, this was I learned from this and this is awesome, man. So thank you for the conversation. I really appreciate it. Please, uh, when you get a chance to jump on to the youtube channel where our episode is for today and jump into the comments and drop all your contact information, we'll make sure that everybody can catch that email. Anything else you want to provide, if you have any links to anything regarding the courses or even your real estate work, man in kentucky, it's going to be valuable to somebody. I want to definitely promote you as much as I can and I definitely want to have a future conversation when the time, when time permits. But we definitely got to stay in touch, man. We just got to love it.

Speaker 2: 59:31

I love it. I'll drop those on there. I mean, I mean it's just, it's been been an awesome conversation today and I just I can't tell you how much I appreciate you, not only as a host and having me on, but just just as a person like you've been. You've been awesome. I mean you said something earlier about, uh, you have these new connections and they're just kind of out. Sometimes they're out there just blowing in the wind. It made me think about shortly after we met and we had our initial conversation. We had some bad storms that rolled through Kentucky and you reached out to check on me to make sure that we we were okay and I mean it just it's a special kind of human being man.

Speaker 1: 1:00:08

Just so you know, it wasn't about today's show.

Speaker 2: 1:00:11

Yeah, no, no, and that's the thing is, I could tell that it wasn't, like I said, about prime. You're just a very genuine and authentic person. So I just, I, I appreciate you, I appreciate you having me on, let me, let me share a little bit of my, my crazy stories and my, my weird Kentucky accent, and you know, just uh.

Speaker 1: 1:00:28

I don't hear it.

Speaker 2: 1:00:31

It'll come out every now and then you get you get me talking some Kentucky basketball. I start getting a little passionate about it. You know I started getting a lot more y'alls and a little bit more of that twang coming through.

Speaker 1: 1:00:40

I haven't heard of it at all. We talk quite a bit.

Speaker 2: 1:00:44

It's good. I spend a lot of time trying to suppress it, especially when we move to Colorado. I try getting it out of there, but it'll come out periodically.

Speaker 1: 1:00:52

I can't wait to hear it because I'm in contact with you, man. This is how I roll Somebody that I connect with. I'm in for the long haul if you are. So it's all good. Man, absolutely. Please jump onto the YouTube channel and drop the information so everybody can get help with real estate, financial literacy, everything you got going on in your life, man, but please get to Mrs my Best, for Let Us Borrow you for a little while, man.

Speaker 2: 1:01:20

Will do.

Speaker 1: 1:01:21

Stay in contact. I want to find out more about what's going on with you and updates and everything like that. But bless you, man, and thank you again for joining us. And wherever you guys are, and however you're hearing it, call me Mr Youth Podcast we thank you again for making us a part of your morning, your day and your week with your weekly membership before you change the world. Thanks thanks again for joining us. Thank you for supporting Luke today and giving him a little bit of love. Enjoy the music coach out.