"Life is a game. Do you know what you're here to play?"
In this episode Sri Sritha speaks to the multifaceted spark-Hana Jung of Reboot Experiences We uncover her experience and lessons learnt form her playful yet high acheiving life of being a competitive figure skater-yacht crew-tech whiz-serial entrepreneur-startup advisor-award winning painter-marketing director-surfer-mindset coach to following her mission to designing inner expeditions for high impact leaders finding their higher power, purpose and self-mastery.
We discuss decision matrix, finding confidence to follow your heart, breaking away the perfectionist asian family values, to her enlightening vision of a video game sim character explaining humanity's game plan and her mission in the play.
"Life is a game. Do you know what you're here to play?"
In this episode Sri Sritha speaks to the multifaceted spark-Hana Jung of Reboot Experiences We uncover her experience and lessons learnt form her playful yet high acheiving life of being a competitive figure skater-yacht crew-tech whiz-serial entrepreneur-startup advisor-award winning painter-marketing director-surfer-mindset coach to following her mission to designing inner expeditions for high impact leaders finding their higher power, purpose and self-mastery.
We discuss decision matrix, finding confidence to follow your heart, breaking away the perfectionist asian family values, to her enlightening vision of a video game sim character explaining humanity's game plan and her mission in the play.
Welcome to this powerful container of infinite possibilities to a highest state of awareness. Join me. Should we shut that tie as we uncover the pathways to the world's most illuminated leaders, Seacoast creators. And perhaps even some saints Today you have with me, Hannah Jong, a serial entrepreneur startup advisor mindset, coach an Olympic trained figure skater tech with. And a playful spark that we all need and our world. How passionate for connecting and elevating people across industries led her to begin her company reboot experiences to impact change among future leaders. Entrepreneurs and creatives around the world. I was really attracted to her because of her Asian heritage. And how she moved through cultural expectations and the pressures of high achievement and excellence. To follow a non-traditional path that was more close to her spirit. I have constantly found myself in the past, fighting these norms and expectations to follow my inner seemingly non-linear and eccentric path myself. Hannah has been leading her idea life at every point of a life. So go check out her Instagram. Reboot experiences to see and learn more about how she spends her time suffering and thriving across Mexico, Nicaragua, Portugal, and America, while designing. Inner expeditions for high impact focused leaders. And helping them move through fears, upgrading mindsets, and intentionally claiming their full potential. I really do hope that you get lit up. Like I did connecting to her fascinating story. Practices and journey to finding her Nirvana. Thank you again. And here we go.
Hana:Thank you for having me.
Sri:I met you how most friendships these days and quarantines happen on the internet. I saw one of your ads for your business reboot experience got targeted. Very rightfully to me. So good job, Instagram algorithm, I had heard about regroup through one of our common friends, Jonathan Stone, who's the founder of flu Intel. What I really loved about you was how You were in alignment and you spoke about. What your mission was very unapologetically and it was rooted in, your sense of confidence of what you were doing so thank you so much for saying yes.
Hana:Absolutely. I love supporting, people who want to spread more light in this world. And that is my mission is to elevate and empower and support those that do want to do that.
Sri:I wanted to know. The backstory of why you're such a light chaser. How was your experience as a child?
Hana:My experience as a child, I actually feel like now is more closely aligned to how I was as a child. It's like, obviously through life, like programming, you learn to distrust that inner child. And me as a kid was like, actually very similar to now, which was like, I was constantly creating like games and imaginary worlds I grew up in a big family. I'm the only girl I have all younger guy, siblings and brothers. And they were just like these wild, like lost boys. And I would make up games for them to interact with each other. I was always barefoot. I was such a tomboy. Like I remember playing so hard that like the only time I would come inside was when the fireflies would come out. And when the grass starts to get cold, after the sunset. So it's a very vivid memory, but I was very much a wild child. And now I live in Nicaragua, Bali, Lisbon, and I'm always barefoot, like running through the jungle and surfing. I was born in Texas, grew up in Dallas, but actually traveled quite a bit. So I think I've always had a nomadic soul. I was a competitive ice skater. So I spent time between California, Colorado, Michigan, um, basically training with different Olympic coaches. And it was a pretty intense, but very fun time in my life, which gave me a lot of focus and drive and. I think that's where the achievement side of me comes from. But yeah, childhood was very busy. Like I did everything from martial arts. To art. I was, an artist from a very young age. Half of my family are doctors and the other half are artists. So I very much grew up in a very hybrid life. So I've always seen the benefits of both sides. Yeah. Competitive ice skating I'm trying very hard not to fat girl. Yeah. That literally is tapping into some kind of magical force. I was really attracted to it because it was really fun for me. I started really, because in Dallas there's, the Galleria has like an indoor ice rink. And so my mom would go shopping. She'd just dropped me off at the ice drink and then go shopping for a few hours
Sri:They wanted you to do it or you liked it.
Hana:I was obsessed. And then obviously, like when you follow something that you love. You get better at it because it's a game to you and it's fun. And then you re rise the ranks pretty quickly. And then it started at the upper level starts to get really intense. Like literally like seeing a sports psychologist, like doing, um, off ice training with like weights and then ballet and like, pretty much like I was working. I felt like it was working 24 seven. I was like still taking all advanced classes in high school. I happened to go to a very unique school. Melinda Gates was an alumni. So we were one of the first schools in the U S to have wifi in the late nineties. And we all were required to have laptops. So then that really introduced me to technology. So I started coding and I built my first website for a women's shelter at the age of, uh, I think it was like 16 when I did that. I had the sports and then like on the weekends I would paint and like create things. And I sold my first painting when I was like, nine or 10. I was always playing in multiple spheres, so that's why it was like strange because I never felt like I truly belonged in one category. Whereas like I was having fun, just playing in all of them. So sports tech and also arts.
Sri:It was mostly because you were following your higher excitement or was it because your family was competitive? Because as a kid, I did so many things. I didn't really follow through a lot of stuff It takes a lot of maturity to be able to follow through in an adult way. And it seems to me that you did it in a playful manner. what do you think accounted you to be able to achieve it and have result?
Hana:Yeah, I think, there was definitely like growing up as an Asian family. My parents were very, as you could imagine, like must achieve, must get this and this and this, which yes, I did feel some of that pressure, but I always found a way to find my own connection to it, to make sure that I was always still having fun in the moment that it stopped being fun. I just refused to do it. Like it got to the point where like ice skating, for example, it just got to the point where I wasn't having fun anymore. It just got so serious. So competitive to the point where it was like, just about the output and it was pretty traumatic. Like my mom was highly perfectionist. They, she only measured my, I guess, worth based on my output. So I remember like even coming home with like silver, Metals. And she'd just be like, Oh, just like throw it away. Like it's not first place. When she had like on trophy room, it was kind of eerie. But like that really communicated to me at a young age, that achievement was what she valued, but it's not what I value, but it's, this is what children do is like you notice these patterns like perfectionistic tendencies usually are rooted in. Uh, need to, get a validation on yeah. One or more of your parents. So that's sort of what it stemmed like for me. And it took me years of just like focused work to break that habit of. Perfectionism and achievement. but how I followed through was really, I found the joy in my own, my own connection to it, but the moment it stopped, I was happy to let it go. Obviously fighting with my parents every step of the way, but I was a very headstrong child and I feel like I am now as well, but I'd say. Headstrong 2.0, where I'm a little bit softer with it, where it's a, more of a release than a push.
Sri:So wasn't any guilt off disappointing them when you had to, you had such a career and you were good at it but at that point in time, you were listening, still able to listen to your inner. Ways to went to stop and do something else. how were you able to really be that headstrong and not attach to the gift? Cause that really brings a lot of people down.
Hana:Absolutely. I think for, it was a lot harder to listen to my intuition when I was actually living at home. So all throughout high school. And I think that's probably one of the reasons why I chose to go to university and Boston instead of staying in Texas, because I think intuitively I knew that I needed to break free from. This like it, you know, it's hard to escape when you like live with your parents and, you absorb their frequencies and what they want for you. And even though inside, I was like, this is not right. I still went along with it because it's a means of survival. What am I going to do? Say no, but in my own way, I'm sure it's like part of being a rebellious teenager, but in my own way, I started. Training them on how to receive me as saying no. So by the time that I made like huge steps, they were just like, Oh, it's just this is one in the same. So in some way it was a series of letting them down, let it quote unquote letting them down. But ultimately they see the trajectory of my life and they're like, you know what, Hannah, we trust you. Like the first couple of times we were like, what the hell is she thinking? But every single like inflection point where I chose the non-obvious step, they were like, you know what? You always seem to land on your feet. And it always seems to be in a better place. So like clearly, you know, something we don't so. Just be safe. And you knew that you had that trust in yourself that I can go do this and I'll always learn and always be safe. What helped you to feel that safety? I honestly think it's a lot to do with being a competitive ice skater. I think about this all the time. Seriously, even though it was so long ago, like I'm like now almost 37 and I always think about it like how much I gained from. Ice skating because it put me into the practice mindset because it's not like you just put on your skates and all of a sudden you could, do a triple Lutz and do the perfect spins and all of these things. It's ridiculous. You have to put in hours of pain, literally pain, bruising to the point where I can't even sit down and like falling countless times, getting cut, it's getting bruises always. But that put me in the mindset of like pain and suffering and, practicing and failing, practicing, failing is just a part of the process. So I think even if I didn't get it right now, like I knew I would, at some point if I just keep at it, but be patient with myself. So I think that really gave me a different set of programming. Apart from what my parents were giving me. So it was really grateful
Sri:so almost if someone was looking and now most of the people who might be listening here are adults. So, but in a way to do that for the kids, the next generation, it's almost like allowing them to bind their own culture, what resonates with them and what helps them to reach that pinnacle of their identity of success. Right. And that's what you had, but now you also had such a varietal background. You were a professional skater you got into luxury yacht, a very successful startup. Um, you're also an advertising world. Could you take us a little bit through all these interesting inflection points and trajectory and what did we learn about who you are right now through all these places?
Hana:absolutely. It was totally like appealing the layer, The first inflection point of like leaving Texas was my first step into myself. And in university I studied marketing, so natural progression moved to New York and into the ad world. So I. Quickly progressed in the ad world. And I worked for some really big name, luxury clients like Rolex and Samsung, both in New York and in London. And that was incredible time for me. I really learned so much about an industry. I had no idea about. And it got to the point where I was sort of pivoting around, even though I knew deep down inside, I was like ready for a big change. But I was afraid to take that step because of the security, of a good job money. And that was when the parent programming, came in, it's like pick security, pick the money, like, what are you doing? And so I was like, okay, you know what? Maybe I'll Double down and go into the startup world. Cause then at least I feel like I'm making a direct impact and having a bit more control in my life. So I went in the startup world, but. Of course it was not the answer because I was looking externally and what that led to was like a fast track to burnout. I ended up being hospitalized like twice in a month, due to stress induced ulcers. And it was a huge wake up call cause I was around 31, I believe 31 32. And that was around the age that my uncle, my closest uncle had passed away when he was 32 from stomach cancer. And. That was like a big alarm bell, which I could no longer ignore that my intuition pretty much manifested itself as a physical symptom. So that was really what led me to take a good look at. The life that I had built up to that point, I was like on paper, living this perfect New York life, you know, friends, nice apartment and grim, dating and having a lot of fun, traveling all of that. But something just didn't feel right. And that led me to start with it wasn't even that much courage. It was excitement that led me to build something like the next chapter. And I asked myself two questions. One was. What do I need to learn? And at that time in my life. And I think it was coming through multiple sources. Whether at work through my friends, through my relationships, through my physical symptoms, it was like this. Very clear indication that like I need to release control. So I was like, okay, I need to learn how to release control. What can I do? What experiment can I run on myself that will allow me to release control It was definitely scary because feeling like everything that you've been building was just a lie just is very, very unnerving. And in some way, I saw it for what it was, it was a house of cards. And I was like, what is, what am I actually building this for? Like, do I want to be. The CEO of this company, or do I want this person's job? I'm like, no, like I couldn't look around. I looked around and I couldn't see a model of what I actually wanted for my life. So I'm like, what the heck am I actually doing here? And that was weirdly the first time I even asked that question.
Sri:Yeah. And then, so what were the other questions that
Hana:you assess? Yeah. So the first question is, what do I need to learn? And then two was, when was the last time I was truly happy and free because that's what I was going for. I was like, I need to like, feel good again. And so I go on sailing trips with my friends, here and there throughout the years. And I was like, you know what? I love being in nature. I love being, especially on water. I was like, hi. I wonder if there's a job that I can find like near the water on the water or whatever. So I literally Googled. How to travel and make money. And I came across as like random blog post and it was like, number one, teaching English. I was like, I am not patient enough for that too. It was like, you know, you can volunteer. And I was like, I'm definitely not nice enough for that. And the third one was like, we're going to super. And I was like, Hey, this sounds weird. And just weird enough that I could be interested in this. So I was going back and forth and I was having this like crazy. Moment where I was. I built a decision matrix. That's super nerdy, but I still use it to this day where I was like, evaluating. Do I go to business school? Do I work for another company? Do I start working for myself? As a freelance marketing consultant or do I work on this like boat? So I evaluated it across many different touch points and it still kind of came up that I. Wanting to do yachting weirdly because the cost benefit analysis was basically like, okay, worst case scenario. I could do this as a one-year experiment. If it's horrible, I'm at a point in my career that I can always fall back on a desk job. I can always get another job. people are always looking for marketing help anyway. I felt secure enough to completely cut the tie, knowing that I can catch myself because I knew. What I knew. It's not like someone's going to just zap my brain and take away my skills. It's something that I will have forever. So I was like, you know what? Let's just take this next year for me to learn, to release my control. And also just to find joy in being nature and do something so drastically different than a desktop, because I've tried the half-assed measures. I've tried the pivoting to client side and maybe startup and this, but it was all marketing was still the same. World. So I'm like, I need to do something real drastic. I'm not saying that everyone should do something so drastic, but the point of it is like, it needs to like really shake you up at your core level. And it was wonderful. Cause I did get that. I did have to release control.
Sri:And when you did that, you learnt so many things about yourself and you kind of almost dipped into this true inner knowing. And then being out in the ocean, there's something really magical because it's just, you, you have pots. And the deep sea. I'm a daughter of a Naval officer. So my entire life, I was a nomad like you and my closest friend was the C I, in fact, I would talk to the sea and, and if I was sad, if I was mad I'd go to the sea of I remember being out in the scene, I was like, this is the secret to life. This is how we can be happy. And what I see that you were able to tap into the voices of the seat. it helped you set off on this journey of self discovery.
Hana:Exactly. And what I've discovered is like similar to you. I've gained so much learning from the ocean. I surf. So I learned so much about life even through surfing hiking. And I find these days when people ask me like, Oh, do you have a recommended podcast or reading list? And I was like, yeah, like I can recommend it. But honestly, this is not true for everyone, but I'm the weirdo that chooses not to ingest more content, because that was for me, like during my twenties and early thirties, when I needed to consume content to kind of see other pathways. But once it gets to that point where you get there, like any more, it's like repetition My only recommendation is spend more time in nature and spend more time with yourself because these days, my greatest teacher is nature. Like even observing the trees, like even when I was going through. the loss of another family member. I read books very selectively, but not overdo it, even though the common knowledge right now is like everybody consume all of the books do as much as you want and blah, blah, blah, like consume, consume, consume.
Sri:And where personal development is becoming so toxic where everybody's kind of lauding themselves. I've seen a lot of people who have a lot of knowledge, The double sides of how they're not nice to themselves. That is the main indicator and there's something about. Experiencing spirituality get connected to what your human sense is to connecting to nature to that oneness and we've forgotten what our true power and essence is. When I moved to New York three years ago, I was following my soul. I was following my inner voice. I honestly had this game with myself. I had a lot of criticism of being too free-spirited and I don't think I'm free-spirited. But people saw me as that. And I remember being like, okay, if this is a criticism, there's something I should listen to it. And it's affecting me. Let me go to a place where it's. So difficult to be a free spirit where it's so difficult to be spiritual. And let me see if I can self-actualize what does it mean to be spiritual? So I stopped reading any book. I stopped doing any healing. I was a hypnotherapist. My whole world was about helping women to connect with themselves. And okay, it's great to be spiritual in a place like. Bali with everybody around you is in the same frameworks, like you said, but it's so difficult to be in a place that's so hard that doesn't trust for you to learn how to trust yourself. So for me, the last three years, we're experiment of that next level of self-actualization. So funny story with that storytelling was, I was doing chocolate meditation at LaGuardia. They invited me for a team building meditation we need a little bit of this. I remember going. And the funny part is I had this brief, they're like, you know what? We want you to inspire them, but don't inspire them too much because we don't want them to leave their jobs. Everybody wants to leave their jobs and follow their hearts they talk to you. And I read that you help high achieving leaders surrender, to build their life. That they didn't intentionally choose. It's so relevant because there's a bigger tipping point where people are going through this inner conversation where like, is this much great? Like, is this giving me all the love that I thought it would is this job what I want? What is that phenomenon that's happening?
Hana:A lot of the work that I do with reboot experiences and specifically working with leaders who have achieved this like upper echelon of success, like the good on paper success, and. Have questioned this for a while. So these are leaders who have sort of toe dipped into spirituality and wants to kind of integrate that somehow. But they know that they can't do it in their current state, but yet they're afraid that if they leave it completely, they'll, they'll sacrifice safety of abundance, all of these things. And they don't know what's on the other side, so they fear it. So my job really is to help them unpack. What is not there to carry. So for example, a lot of the leaders that I work with, especially during the pandemic and during COVID are starting to really start to fast track their timelines. So maybe in a normal circumstance, they would probably wait a few more years before even having this, like come to Jesus moment where they've always questioned. They've always knew that like the answer is beyond this current reality that they built for themselves and they know that this is not. It, but they either don't know where that next step is, or they have too many ideas that like, they are not sure which to choose because they don't, they haven't done the work to build that inner guidance system. I'm a very visual person. So what I would like to say is happening is like people are coming to the realization that everything that they've worked for is building outward. So manifesting things in the external world, external growth, achievement, achievement, achievement, it's all answering the external growth, but now it's no longer about external consumption and more about internal expansion. And so I think people have started to dabble in the inner expansion, but not betting big on that expansion. They haven't fully committed to that yet. And I think now it's getting to that breaking point where they're like, okay, enough, like clearly like look at all the breakdowns happening, like on a societal governmental world level. I can't wait for someone else to tell me when it's time. I can't wait for it to be the perfect moment it needs to be. Now I need to bet on myself right now. And so. That's what I'm helping them through to like UN reveal, who they think they are and then remove the parts of them that are actually not them. So it's a part deprogramming programming. And then. Being able to clearly see who they actually are. Like that story of, Michelangelo they were like, Oh, there's this block of marble. And you just stare at it and then all he did was released the statue by removing all that was not it. So that's sort of what I'm doing with this work is Piece by piece and very methodically over a course of like eight weeks. For example, I work with a group setting and I really helped take apart piece by piece. Who do you think you are? Like, what do you think you value versus what you actually value? And it's never the same, which is shocking because so many people build their life according to their perceived values. But if you build it on like fake value system, it's actually not. Your foundation, right? So what you build on top of it is never going to stand. It's not going to link up your heart and your mind because something is not right. You're not being honest about what your real values are. So when you finally look at what your real values are, you can finally create a life that's rooted in something real it's rooted in who you actually are, so that when you make your decisions and you start building something from a place of This is what I value. This is two, and this is how I want to help people show up for the world. Truly not how it's going to make me look not how others are going to perceive me, not how, my parents are going to, applaud me and make them feel proud of me. It's not coming from that place. It's just completely rooted in the foundation within them. And then only then you build something long-term that actually feels right for you. And it's definitely a lot more fun that way. Anyway, you just feel it in your body. It's it becomes like play and not work.
Sri:What. According to you has been the biggest mental block that we see a lot of leaders and creators have because what they built seems real as
Hana:well. Yes, absolutely. I think it's fear at the root of it all, whether that fear manifests as fear of, Losing everything like, you know, they have some sort of tie to like abundance and they need to heal that relationship or fear of failure. So those are sort of the two most common things. Um, because a lot of the leaders that I work with are super like kind and heart-centered, and they're like, Oh, like, who am I? Like, what am I going to really do? Like, who's going to listen to me. Like, I've, I've invested all this time into building this life and they almost have like this. They don't understand that it's a sunk cost. They don't understand that they can start over and like, you don't need to keep investing in it. So for survival, when we first developed as human beings, like we needed fear but obviously that's been completely turned around and we've used our own emotional fears and it feels like in our body, like it's actual life or death. And so what I do a lot specifically to answer. This block of fear is I do. What's called fear training where I create, I always like to integrate fun and experimentation because I think life is way too serious. So what I do with fear is I get them to see fear for what it is, where did it come from and understanding your story. Because first of all, you need in order to start tackling it, you have to know where it comes from. What are your triggers? And then second, I explain to people that like fear in our body is actually the same as excitement. So whether that's like when you're going down a roller coaster, you know, you're not going to die. So it's an excitement. The only difference is your mind tells your body, is it fear like you're going to die or is it fear? Excitement? And I do like the fear training is about switching that pathway in your brain. So I have them create experiments in their life too. It's almost like a contact, um, conditioning. So for example, for the longest time, I was afraid of. Being rejected. I hated the word. No, like it would really cut me deep. So I created an experiment for myself where I was going to collect the nose. So I, in college, in university, I worked at the phone center and basically asking. Alumni for money, which you're going to get turned down all the time. So the first couple of times I literally burst into tears. Like it was so embarrassing. Like I didn't feel comfortable crying in public at that time. So it was horrible, but I stuck with it because I'm like I got to get used to it. I'm like building up my own. Resilience to the word. No, because that's what I fear most, so better. Get it done now. So, but now it's like in a way that it doesn't matter if I get rejected by a stranger, because it's not something I care about. So I literally trained myself to get used to saying no to the point where I was making it again. Like how many nos can I get this hour? And the funny thing was like, eventually people started saying yes. So in actually leaning into the fear and making it a game. You actually create the result that you want to anyway. It's like a by-product of you facing that fear. So that's what I do with people is to get them to think about it as a game and make an experiment for yourself. So you can actually become more familiar with your fear, bring it close. So it's not something scary and it's something that's manageable.
Sri:it's also called exposure therapy. You put down all the things that are scaring you, and then you keep exposing yourself to desensitize and remove the layers So, You have managed to create this beautiful experience here called reboot experiences. You do dinners, bring different community leaders and creators How were you able to do that transition from making this your big yes. And turning it into such a way that other people are also integrated into that expansiveness that you've tapped into.
Hana:Well, At the time. I worked on yachts, like for celebrities and like scrubbing toilets and whatnot as an experiment to release control. In that time I created a business which was a yacht, like a staffing app for the luxury yacht industry. And I knew that that wasn't my end game, but I've created it anyway just to see, cause it looked fun. And at the end, like I ended up exiting that company. So tightly that, like I had an abundance to actually start something from a place of my heart. And, and before it's not like I had this idea before I even found the money. I actually found it weirdly enough in a, in a meditation. Um, A breath, work meditation. So basically in breath work, I had this crazy visualization where I heard this voice. And when I say heard, it's more like someone. It injected it into my brain, like inception. And it was like, life is a game. And I was like, yeah. Okay, cool. Like, this is what everybody is. So Instagram quote. And I'm like, sure. And he's like, but do you know what game you're playing? And I didn't have an answer. Like, well, let me show you. And this being came in the form of this light ball and this light bulb kind of pulsated like, and divided itself into three different cells. And it expanded from it like this balloon. Like clear-ish balloon structure. And inside this balloon instructor, there are all these little fairy lights, like, look like fireflies roaming around this balloon and he's zoomed in and he's like, this is your universe. These are the other universes that are happening at the same time, but this is yours. And he's like, I was like, Oh, this is so cool. And he's like, look closer. And it was like all these little like SIM characters, like all these little like characters, like a video game. And I think, I think this being like used imagery, that would make sense to me because I do come from kind of a tech nerd background. So he was like, um, in, in programming, there's like this term Easter egg, which is like this hidden line of code that you don't know is there unless you're looking for it. So basically all these people were running around with this like yellow light inside of them. And he's like, this is the same. Like software that isn't all of them. He's like, but it's like the secret, like Easter egg, but they don't know that it's there. So I was observing like this world and some people were trying to buy the Easter egg from a shop. And some people were, you know, just going about their life, like to work and building houses and not even realizing that there's anything going on on the inside. Others had completely like given up. Like it's like someone like let go of the remote control. And it was just like, this player was like sitting idle, looking really sad and really doll. And then others pulled that out, their yellow light and they were like freaking out. They're like, um, hello, like anybody else? And it was really cool because it unlocked another layer. I don't want to say dimension, but it almost looked like another, like thin veil, like a layer where the people who had found their yellow light had start to recognize each other. And they were like waving at each other and they started walking towards each other. And I was like, Oh, this is so cool. I was like, okay. So I was speaking back to the being and I was like, so it was a point of this game. To basically find our light and he's like, well, yes, but also no, I'm like, all right. So when does this game end? And he's like, well, that is the question. Like, isn't it. And I observed it. And I noticed that as these lights, the people who found their light were clumping together, like around their vicinity, like the people that were just on the fringes, their light, they started finding their light. Like faster. And even like the people in the far corner of this like balloon universe, there were people that were starting to walk towards the light, even though they didn't know why they were walking, they were just like, magnetised by it. And the closer and closer and closer they got to the center, they started kind of like waking up. And then all of the lights started turning on and the clump of light got bigger and bigger. And I was like, Oh, this is so cool. And I was like, so does the game end? Like. When X number of people like find their line, he's like, well, no, you're trying to actually get to a hundred percent found. I was like, what, like everyone in the universe. And he's like, yes. I was like, this is impossible, absolutely impossible. I was like, so upset. I was like, he, you know, humans, like they're flawed. And like, whatever. I was like, okay, well, what happens if someone finds their light and they die? It's like, well, then it'll just get rebooted in the next person that arrives because everyone has the exact same chance of winning and every exact same chance of finding their light. He's like, but. You saw something that I'm giving you like a little hint, like this world, it's not always going to be such a slow trickle of like finding your light. It's going to hit an inflection point. Cause it's like a network effect. Right? So at some point humanity get to a point where people will start to find their light faster and faster. So it will become a possibility for humanity to get to a hundred percent found rate. I was like, Oh my God, like, this is crazy. But. After this crazy conversation, which felt like hours, it was actually real time, only like 15 minutes, which is bonkers. And I really came out of the experience thinking like, I am that like I am. A connector just naturally in my normal life. And I was like, what if I leveraged that natural ability to connect, but use it in order to get people to that next level faster. I don't think it's going to happen in my lifetime, but if I can kick the goal faster, if we can raise that percentage of found like higher, why not in my lifetime and make it fun. So that really is what led to me building reboot. It came in the form of a retreat, but it was never a retreat. It was just one manifestation, one tool to bring people closer together. Answering the very same core mission, to continue to. Elevate people so that they can find their light. So the reason why I work specifically with leaders is in my mind leaders who are already at that cusp, who are asking the right questions, who know that feeling inside and are very familiar with it, are the people on the outer edges, like just close to get finding their the Easter egg. So I want to get them there faster because they have the potential to network and influence and empower and enlighten their followers. So that's really what I'm doing is I'm specifically working with people who have the potential to spread light faster.
Sri:that is inspiring how you are following that really crazy. What some people would call delusion, and I've got that they're like crazy, but I think it does take a certain in what normal people term, the crazy it takes a certain level of you to break out of. norm to create a massive change, to bring change for yourself. And would you say that you have found your path to Nirvana?
Hana:I think so, but I was just thinking about this today. I feel like in a lot of my meditation that I have full on. I know it sounds crazy, especially because my background is I'm so tech and logic brain. So even to hear myself, I'm like what the hell has happened. But I find like the way that I resonate best is because I can balance both the logic and the more spiritual quote unquote intellect. Right. Exactly. Exactly intellect intuition. I think that's where the real secret lies is the balance and the harnessing of both.
Sri:This has been such a delightful, illuminating conversation with you. I am so grateful for the path that you're on and I'm very excited to meet you at one point in real life. Thank you so much
Hana:thank you.
And with that, we come to an end. Please follow us on Instagram at hello Nirvana world. Like share, subscribe and leave a review wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you Goodwill goodbye and vishing you hello nirvana