JB's Sports Podcast
Breaking Down the NBA Playoffs and NFL Draft Analysis
Ever wondered how the Boston Celtics managed to dominate the Indiana Pacers in a clean sweep? This episode promises to unpack every critical moment that led to the Pacers' downfall, from their inbounding woes to the untimely timeouts that sealed their fate. We'll also shine a spotlight on stellar performances from Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, discuss the impact of key injuries like Tyrese Halliburton's, and gear up for the NBA Finals starting June 6th.
Moving on to the Timberwolves' offensive struggles, we break down why the two-big system with Karl-Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert is causing more harm than good. Cat's reluctance to play like a traditional big man, combined with Gobert's offensive limitations, is stunting the team's flow and hindering Anthony Edwards' slashing potential. Hear our thoughts on how Nas Reed's introduction has shifted the dynamics and what this means for the Timberwolves moving forward.
Finally, we shift to the NFL to discuss the Cincinnati Bengals' upcoming season with an emphasis on their schedule and key player contracts. We also delve into Bryce Young's challenging rookie season with the Carolina Panthers, exploring how organizational shortcomings have impacted his development. To wrap up, we analyze recent NFL draft picks, comparing their performances and speculating on their future impact. Don't miss out as Jace Boozer signs off with a heartfelt message and invites you to connect with us on social media for more engaging sports discussions.
Ever wondered how the Boston Celtics managed to dominate the Indiana Pacers in a clean sweep? This episode promises to unpack every critical moment that led to the Pacers' downfall, from their inbounding woes to the untimely timeouts that sealed their fate. We'll also shine a spotlight on stellar performances from Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, discuss the impact of key injuries like Tyrese Halliburton's, and gear up for the NBA Finals starting June 6th.
Moving on to the Timberwolves' offensive struggles, we break down why the two-big system with Karl-Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert is causing more harm than good. Cat's reluctance to play like a traditional big man, combined with Gobert's offensive limitations, is stunting the team's flow and hindering Anthony Edwards' slashing potential. Hear our thoughts on how Nas Reed's introduction has shifted the dynamics and what this means for the Timberwolves moving forward.
Finally, we shift to the NFL to discuss the Cincinnati Bengals' upcoming season with an emphasis on their schedule and key player contracts. We also delve into Bryce Young's challenging rookie season with the Carolina Panthers, exploring how organizational shortcomings have impacted his development. To wrap up, we analyze recent NFL draft picks, comparing their performances and speculating on their future impact. Don't miss out as Jace Boozer signs off with a heartfelt message and invites you to connect with us on social media for more engaging sports discussions.
welcome back to this podcast. Today is saturday june, the first we're back for the podcast in a minute, y'all.
Speaker 2:Well for you. I podcasted last week again. No, this all goes back to me. Obviously I took. I took all the. If you didn't listen to the podcast, I'm sure you didn't. I did. I took all responsibility for what happened. But you know, I podcasted one of myself last week. Hopefully you made the listen, didn't have too terrible of a time. But here we are back.
Speaker 1:Jace is here, ready to go and huh the second time I am I said ready to go.
Speaker 2:Oh see, now you want to make jokes. That was two weeks ago, okay.
Speaker 1:You still cooked us two weeks ago.
Speaker 2:No, that was multiple weeks ago. That was last week. No, it was two weeks ago. Have we not podcast for two weeks? No, I podcast the last week by myself. Remember I waited a couple days because we were trying to record late the week before. See, now we got the whole thing mess miss, all mixed up no, it's all good, it's all good, it's all good.
Speaker 2:So I messed up. I did my myself last week. Jace is back, we're here and we're ready to talk stuff, but since you haven't been here, jace, there's been a lot of things that you have like, not necessarily missed, but you didn't get a chance to talk about. So, figure, you want to get basketball out of the way before we do other things. Yeah, go ahead, all right. Nba Conference Finals recap. We haven't recorded since when I was recording, it was like the first couple games of the Conference Finals. I was going on and then pretty much since we last recorded.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, you would have been right in the conference final. Yeah, we're in the last of the divisional. I don't know what it's called in basketball.
Speaker 2:No, we're done with the conference finals. Now, that's over. I know I don't care anymore. I think I feel like our timelines are messed up, since you haven't podcasted in so long, dude like a month I've paid attention to basketball. I know, but I'm saying the timelines of what podcast we've done are off, I know.
Speaker 1:It's been three weeks since I've podcasted technically.
Speaker 2:Well, yes, but since you've actually been on the podcast on one that's going to actually go out, it's been a month.
Speaker 1:No, it is not. What the fuck? Because we didn't podcast two weeks before that. Okay, that's false. That's false. No, that's not false. That is false, dude, that's false. Did we podcast last week?
Speaker 2:I podcast last week.
Speaker 1:Okay, I also podcasted with you, you just botched it.
Speaker 2:That was the week before. I waited four days between what I messed up and me recording.
Speaker 1:I don't give a shit, just go. I do not give an ounce.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, see, we didn't have to go down this road. Go fuck yourself. We are in. Actually, the conference finals are over. They've already been done and taken care of, so I figured we can go in give our thoughts about what happened, since it really wasn't much. There's only four and five games between the two. So I figure we go, we talk about these things, give a slight, because I think the first finals game doesn't happen until the 6th. I think that's what it is. Let me check real quick, I hate you.
Speaker 2:What I didn't do, nothing. I don't think.
Speaker 1:Your existence is pain.
Speaker 2:Maybe Schedule. Yeah, the sixth will be the first finals game that's going to come up. So conference finals Celtics take care of business against the Pacers, with the help of the Pacers, of course. For the sweep. Every game felt like the Pacers had a chance to win, especially games one and game three. But due to mistakes towards the end of the games, the Pacers kind of shot themselves in the foot every time and the Celtics took advantage and they ended up winning the game.
Speaker 2:In that first game Celtics had no sorry. The Pacers had like a three-point lead with a few seconds left. All they had to do was inbound the ball and they Celtics have no sorry. The Pacers had like a three-point lead with a few seconds left. All they had to do was inbound the ball and they couldn't do that and then ended up with a turnover. Celtics get the ball, jalen Brown hits the three to send it to overtime and then Boston goes and figures it out in overtime and wins that game. Game three Pacers had a lead, didn't take a timeout when there was a surge coming from Boston. That ended up with them losing that game. And then, by the time game four came around, halliburton had gotten hurt and he was out, and I feel like there was another player, too, that wasn't able to play either.
Speaker 1:Was it Siakam?
Speaker 2:No, siakam played, because he was the only reason that game was even close. But I think it was just, halliburton was like the main one, halliburton was like the main one, halliburton and, um, I mean Siakam. And who was the guard for that? Hold on, let me make sure I had it right western eastern. Make sure it was TJ McConnell. He was like a big, big deal in that fourth game where he kind of came and really scored a lot of points. But it's just the problem was that the Pacers defense was not able to get timely stops, especially at the end of the games when they were making making mistakes, and Boston just were able to kind of do their thing.
Speaker 2:Jalen Brown honestly had an absolutely amazing conference finals. He showed up every game. Jason Tatum he came. I think he averaged like 30 points 10 assists no sorry, 31, 10, and 6, something like that 10 rebounds, 6 assists. Jalen Brown came out and he averaged like 25 points or something like that over the series. I have all the stats, I can literally look it up here. Jalen Brown averaged 29 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals and almost a block a game. Tatum averaged 30 points, 10 rebounds, 6 assists, like I said.
Speaker 2:So, like those two guys came out and they were absolutely monsters in this series. Drew Holiday had some really good defensive plays, like where he was showing out to be that guy defensively as well as making some plays offensively. Derek White also. He averaged like 16 points, four rebounds, six assists. He also like they have a in. Kristaps Porzingis didn't even play in the series at all. I felt like he's getting close to being like healthy and stuff like that. But again, they didn't need him in this series at all, so they didn't have to test it. But but you know what do you think? I'm just sitting here rambling on about stats and stuff? Did it just feel like the Pacers were overmatched and there was nothing they could do? I don't know. I hate how the Pacers play basketball.
Speaker 1:They play seven-second basketball. They play a seven-second offense. If you guys remember the Phoenix Suns of old, like Steve Nash, and how they played offense, they were the first team I can really think about to play a seven-second offense. It doesn't work against a team like the Celtics who kind of like taking their time.
Speaker 2:And the Celtics have so much offensive firepower.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they can play at a different pace, in a way that if the way the Suns would play seven-second basketball worked, because even past that seven seconds they knew what they were going to do with the ball. I don't know if you've ever seen the Pacers after those first seven seconds. They look fucking lost, like they have no idea what they're supposed to be doing with the basketball.
Speaker 2:They just kind of look around trying to figure out who to pass it to and it just it's sloppy basketball, but you know what I'll give them this credit is when Tyrese Halliburton was playing and when he is aggressive, their offense plays a lot better because he is the main guy and then, as soon as he gets a little bit of attention, it makes it easier on everybody else around him, because they do have some good offensive players. Pascal Siakam he's not necessarily going to sit there. It makes it easier on everybody else around him because they do have some good offensive players. Pascal Siakam he's not necessarily going to sit there, he's not going to score a ton of points, but he did average 23 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists throughout the series. So he is a good offensive player. But, like you said, their offense does seem to sputter out when Halliburton is not necessarily playing, because Halliburton plays so quick, aggressive basketball.
Speaker 1:He's a very fast basketball player. The way he plays is quick and concise. That's why seven second basketball work and he's a good passer but he's a great pass.
Speaker 2:So when he's aggressive offensively it kind of opens doors pushes the lane and it draws a bit towards him.
Speaker 1:He can throw it out to guys like mcconnell for open threes. How he plays basketball works in a system like that. It's just that system doesn't work without him especially in that fourth game.
Speaker 2:You know it's funny that fourth game was actually fairly close throughout the whole thing where you had, uh, siakam and mcconnell come in and do their thing, but you could just tell they were missing that guy in halliburton. To be that guy to hey say, hey, go get a bucket. Like pascal siakam had a moment where he was like kind of keeping the Pacers afloat there in like the third quarter where it felt like he was getting every bucket possible for them. But at the end you kind of need some one person to kind of run your offense and kind of guide you to where you're supposed to go. And that's what Halliburton brings you. And they did not have him in that fourth game. But again, it doesn't matter, because at that point it was Celtics up 3-0 in this it was just a matter of time before it was going to be over and Celtics it almost felt inevitable before the series even started and with the Pacers not necessarily able to close out games early on in the series when they had their opportunity, especially that game one. It felt like that if they would have been able to win that first game when they had that three-point lead, if they would have managed to not go to overtime at all, I felt like that series would have had a lot different of a feel to it, because you'd have stole the game one in Boston's house. I feel like that would have been a great start, but as soon as that happens it's very deflating and it just felt like the rest of the games just kind of like.
Speaker 2:I feel like overall, everybody outside of the game felt like it was just a matter of time before boston just sealed the deal. But in those games it was just. It wasn't like the pacers were getting ran out of the building. But it just sucks that they weren't able to close the deal just in some of those games to have more to show for it. Because when it comes to history and how it goes, all people are going to remember is that the Pacers got swept and Boston was able to do so and it was just another step on the on the um staircase to winning a championship, hopefully finally for that franchise and for Tatum and Brown as a duo. But it was. It just sucks the Pacers weren't able to do more in order to kind of make their stamp like hey, they were here and they were able to do something.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I didn't really care about this one as much as I did with the Mavs.
Speaker 2:All right, let's get to the Mavs and Wolves. Then that series did go five games. But you know what's funny is that the way the first three games went, you could just it felt like that was going to be a sweep as well. Game four Minnesota Timberwolves came out and they made a statement getting that win. They were having enough desperation to not go out on Dallas's court but they weren't able to really do anything else after that. In game five, where Luca and Kyrie came out and just said, hey, we're done with this series, it's over now. And Luca had like 20 points in the first quarter he was outscoring Just him, and Kyrie, by themselves, were outscoring the Minnesota Timberwolves close to halftime, like they were still outscoring them, but with just those two outscoring the Timberwolves altogether. So first three games. I feel like I don't necessarily have bad things to say about the Timberwolves, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:I do.
Speaker 2:You do what you got.
Speaker 1:What bad things you have to say about the Timberwolves. Why is there no offense outside of Anthony?
Speaker 2:Edwards, because they run a too big system where Cat is good when he's hitting threes, but if he's not doing that, he's not a big man that's willing to, you know, really back his butt up to the basket and act like he's a seven foot big man. And then you. Your other big man is Rudy Gobert, who is offensively irrelevant he's offensively inept.
Speaker 2:Inept. Irrelevant Inept is probably the better word for it, but Rudy Gobert is no help in that offensively at all, I know. So offensively they have two pieces that are supposed to be able to do it, but in actuality.
Speaker 1:it's actually not going to. It's never going to work like that, Running a too big system when one of your bigs can't score into them and won't act like a fucking big it doesn't work cause if he was a 7 footer that could act like a big. At least even fucking Wimby will turn his back to the god damn. Have some post up, moves, get the post.
Speaker 2:I'm 7 foot tall. I'm about to act like it. You know, what's so funny is that they disrespected Cat and Gobert so much that they were having dudes that were seven inches shorter than these guys guard them, and that's what kind of made. Rudy Gobert still try to make some offensive plays, but the problem is he doesn't have them. He's not there offensively.
Speaker 1:You're a defensive big.
Speaker 2:So that's why they don't really respect you offensively and then defensively, when you cannot sit there and clog the lane like you're supposed to. And here's something I did here Is that when you have those two bigs there, guess what that does? It lessens the amount of space for Anthony Edwards to slash to the basket, because that is when he's at his best. Right Is when he can get that first step and get past you and go to the rim and be a Skywalker. Right, obviously, he can shoot threes, he can play from the midrange.
Speaker 1:That's not his bread and butter.
Speaker 2:But that's what opens it up for him everywhere else. Right is him being able to get to the basket. And when you have those two bigs, one that neither, like Cat, can shoot but there was a point where he was like four for 32 in this series, so like he wasn't shooting threes at all, like like he wasn't shooting threes well at all until like that fourth game. So if you have one guy that can shoot threes but wasn't really having a good three shooting, a a good three-point shooting outing during this series, and rudy gobert that is offensively inept, they're just clogging the lane for no reason, which is why when they were able to bring in let me make sure I have the guy's name right, Because when they had him in, their offense looked a little bit better and it was Nas Reed he was like he was the sixth man of the year when they brought him in and he was able to come in and for Rudy Gobertbert, because he can shoot threes.
Speaker 1:He plays some decent defense. He shoots threes really well.
Speaker 2:And he was probably their second best player throughout this whole series because he was at least showing up and doing his job.
Speaker 1:So when you brought him in for Rudy, wasn't he hurt, didn't he get hurt?
Speaker 2:Nas Reed. Yeah, I know he was playing. Yeah, he played throughout the whole series. So yeah, he was there. So when he played, that was when they were able to do their best offensively, because it took what the lane got a lot clearer for Anthony Edwards and he was able to kind of get to the basket. But when you have both those big men in and they really don't give you much offensively and I'll give Cat this credit is that in that fourth and fifth game he did play decently offensively.
Speaker 2:Even in the fifth game, where he really wasn't able to shoot threes at all, he was the guy trying to drive to the basket a lot and he was trying to make some plays. He did hit some baskets. He was looking for a lot of fouls and he was complaining when he didn't get them. But like he was trying to drive to the basket. But here's the thing it shouldn't be that hard. No, dude, you're seven foot tall. Back it, back them down to the basket, because when he, you know what's funny is that when he drives the basket it looks like he's not good at it he's not.
Speaker 2:That's the thing he's not a good enough ball handler to be driving to the basket like that. He should be down in the low post doing some actual post post moves.
Speaker 1:Dude, I understand you don't want to be like thrown into a center role and that's what. That's what his whole thing was coming out of college. I don't want to be a center, just a center. I want to be a stretch forward and cool. You are allowed to be a stretch forward, but when it comes down to hey, we need a bucket do you know why they needed rudy gobert?
Speaker 2:do you know why trading for him was such a big deal and why, throughout the regular season they had like one of the best they had? The best defense in the nba is because cat doesn't play a lick of defense. So what happens is is that when cat is your only big man out there and doesn't actually play defense, that makes them susceptible defensively. So they bring Rudy Gobert in. He fixes you defensively, but offensively he brings you nothing. But it let it worsens the spacing that you have to make room for Anthony Edwards to go do his thing and, honestly, when you don't have guys that are out there being able to shoot threes, you have less threes being shot and it clogs lane and Anthony Edwards is able to do his thing and that's one less guy that you have to worry about defensively being able to score on you. So the weakness of Cat is why they brought in Gobert. But again, that weakness of Gobert only lessens what you can do in the playoffs.
Speaker 1:And makes your whole system worse.
Speaker 2:Right. So to a certain extent, like, does one of them probably have to go, but one of the big men?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:I feel like, personally, it's probably Cat. You're not going to be able to trade Gobert because the money they gave him was wild.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 2:Cat is the younger one he looks like, but he can be an offensively some.
Speaker 1:He can be useful for somebody he can work in a different system right.
Speaker 2:I just feel like it's just, it's not going to work long term. They they drafted cat to be their number one guy, their superstar, and they just so happened to fell. Anthony edwards fell into their arms a few years later and now he is now the superstar for that team he's what he's everything that Cat should be.
Speaker 1:He's so much better. He's such a good star. He stays in his own bubble. He doesn't fucking complain. Cat complains like a mug.
Speaker 2:Cat played well I don't necessarily want to sit here and bash Cat like he's the reason they lost this series Because at the end of the day, offensively, they were able to get buckets in those fourth and fifth games. Guess what was lacking their defense? They was not. They were looking at kate like they were looking at kairi and luca, and when luca and kairi really asserted themselves which is pretty much what they did throughout the whole series other than that game four where both kairi and luca played terribly offensively in that game, but outside of that, those two dudes, when they wanted to get to their spot, there was nothing any of their defenders could do.
Speaker 2:The idea that Anthony Edwards was trying to run around and guard Kyrie all day is a task. There's no way you can sit there and do that all game. That only worsens you offensively because you're wasting so much energy to try to follow him. And I'll give um. Why am I forgetting their coach's name now? Jason kid Jason, that's the name I remember of all names. Jason kid Dallas, dallas's coach, obviously a former NBA player who's like one of the best point guards that we've honestly ever seen. He was able, with these two guys that are ball dominant, was able to sit here and say hey, luca, we're going to let Luca sit there and cook throughout the game and Kyrie is going to be able to take his time and pick his spots. But by the end of the game, guess what happens? Kyrie is raring to go and he is able to take over the game. When Luca's feeling tired or maybe not into it or maybe not able to shoot all that well, kyrie is able to come out and take over the game when Luke is not doing it.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Hey, sit back, score a couple of quarter.
Speaker 2:Right Stay in the game, but when it's time to go, Kyrie is able to come in and take advantage. So when those two guys Is he their head coach?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's what's crazy is that when he has these two ball dominant guards, I feel like he's able to speak to them. Not to mention, kairi looks up to jason kidd as like a, as like a, an idol of his for what he was growing up playing basketball. So the idea that he was able to kind of put this because when they traded for kairi last year, there was nobody in the world saying this is gonna work out.
Speaker 1:I think even me were sitting here. Like that does not work properly.
Speaker 2:We didn't know why this made sense, like, how is this going to work? It's too much of the same kind of basketball player. But I feel like now, with the pieces that they have around them, defensively able to shoot, I'll have to give some of those guys their credit. You have, oh, pj Washington, a great third guy who comes in and shoots threes, able to slash through the basket, play some decent defense, like. He is a great third guy, a third, what is it? Ring on the ladder to be able to be a scorer for you guys. He averaged PJ Washington. He averaged 12 points throughout this series but he's had, he had some big games and he was playing some decent defense.
Speaker 2:Daniel Gaffer and Derek derrick lively, the two centers, like the fact that in derrick lively, the guy, you know what last year, where they were sucking, they actually um, they what do they call it? When you were trying to lose out, when you tanked. They tanked the rest of last year where they felt like they weren't going to make the playoffs to try to get a better draft pick, and they, they got into the lottery and they drafted Derek Lively. Guess what Derek Lively can do? He can guard the paint. He is a stretch guy that can guard maybe just a center, but he can also probably guard the four as well, depending on the four that they're looking at, and Daniel Gafford, and they can run to the basket. Guess what? You can run a lot of pick and rolls With Kyrie and Luka is what they love to do. And guess what, when you're running pick and roll and they can sit there and run to the basket, they can get up and get lobs and get to the basket and score some points. Like that is what they need.
Speaker 2:Uh, derrick Jones Jr, a great defensive player, can shoot some threes. Josh Green, he comes in when Kyrie goes out and he can get some baskets and, like you'll help run the offense, like they have a lot of players around those two guys that make this all possible and you have. It's a testament to the front office that they had throughout when they started last year to kind of build this team up and then, coming into this year, trading for pj washington and daniel gafford. I feel like.
Speaker 2:No, derrick jones jr, they signed him, he was on the street. They didn't even have Derek Jones Jr, they signed him. He was on the street. They didn't even have to trade for him. They signed him after he was let go in the regular season. So, like them, with all the moves they've made, have now kind of had this perfect mixture to where they're now in the conference finals. And guess what, when you're at this point now, when you're in the conference finals, guess what it now is? It's Luka and Kyrie versus Tatum and Tatum and Brown. Who's superstars are going to win probably Luka and Kyrie that's what.
Speaker 2:Honestly, we're kind of getting past that. The conference finals now this is where we're.
Speaker 1:At the June 6th the first game, I'd probably put my money on Kyrie and Luka, I don't know see, that's the thing I would too, but I look at the Celtics and my support in Cass is much fucking better.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to lie. Yes, that is very true, especially if they can get Porzingis back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then you have guys like Drew Holiday, who can lock down a fucking guard.
Speaker 2:Drew Holiday can lock people down. He can lock people down, but the guys he's going to have to take care care of is Luka and Kairi. Like which one are you gonna take? Because I do think Tatum's gonna probably take Luka, because I do feel like Tatum can play with enough strength, because Luka is not necessarily a fast player, but he plays a lot of strength and Tatum is big enough to be able to take that on. But again, luka is. So you can tell. Luka plays with a lot of uh freedom, right, he's always he's like a wizard in the way that he plays, but he, he's a lot of uh freedom, right, he's always he's like a wizard in the way that he plays, but he, he's a lot of improvisation, right. And kairi, honestly the same, but it just looks different. Kairi plays a little bit more speed. Luca plays with more strength yeah it's just getting to their spot.
Speaker 2:man, I just feel like to some degree, you're not gonna be able to stop them from doing what they want to do and to a certain extent, and so here's my question which duo is going to be more consistent on a night-in, night-out basis? You know, what's funny is that there are a lot of TS.
Speaker 1:The thing is, I think Tatum and Brown are more consistent on a day-in, day-out basis during the playoffs. Yeah, but for a while the Mavs one of them was not scoring every night and they were losing games. Now they lost a game to the Timberwolves because Luka and Kyrie weren't scoring.
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 1:So, in all honesty, if you're going for consistency, it's been Tatum and Brown.
Speaker 2:But the road that they've had no fault of their own, has been an easier path.
Speaker 1:Which I agree it has been. But when you're a better seed you get that that is true.
Speaker 2:But like, think about it this way they didn't have to face a, you know, a heat culture uh, heat team. They did not have to face a 76ers team with joelle and bead and tyrese maxi like it, and it broke for them a lot easier. So I'm not gonna say which is true, but that's what.
Speaker 2:That's the perk you get when you play better during the regular season that's true, and everything broke well for them to where the path was laid out for them perfectly, and they took advantage and they did what they were supposed to do and took care of business In the first two series in this playoffs run. They did it in five games and they did it in four in the conference finals. So they did what they were supposed to do. But I'm not going to sit here and say that, oh, tatum and Brown have been more consistent throughout the playoffs, while yet their job that they had to do was a little bit easier. But again, what you already said is the case is that the supporting cast for the Celtics is better than what Dallas has. But when you're playing a seven-game series, what makes a difference is the superstars. It is who's going to be able to impose their will to do what they want to do throughout a series, because, honestly, maybe game one, game two, they're going to feel each other out, but by then they're going to know what each other are trying to do. They're going to know offensively, especially now. Do you think and this is probably with the layoff here that they have like a seven or eight? They have like a week where neither team has to play at all, so they get to get healthy, they get to look at each other on film.
Speaker 2:I do feel like this may be game one. It might be very close from the start, like there is no. There may be. I'm guessing there's probably going to be less of a learning curve because you have so much time to kind of look at each other and dissect, to kind of know what you're getting yourself into. Going into game one and you know, what's funny is that there are a lot of like um interweaving storylines throughout this. Chris stops for Zingas. The reason why he's in Boston was because Dallas traded him there. He was in Dallas, he was with Luka and he wasn't able to get the ball enough. Because you know.
Speaker 1:Luka likes holding the ball.
Speaker 2:But here's the thing, though, is that he's now with Kyrie and they've managed to figure it out, but he wasn't able to figure it out with Christophs-Rosingas, which I find weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, makes crazy sense. But Ky weird. Yeah, makes crazy, crazy sense. But Kyrie was at Boston with a young Tatum and Brown. He was brought in to be the point guard, to kind of lead that team, and it didn't work out. He ends up leaving there to Boston fans not necessarily being happy with him, with what he did while he was there, and apparently there was a year where he was like, hey, I want to stay if you can let me, and he never even thought about staying there. He ended up dipping out with the first chance he got.
Speaker 2:So, like there are a lot of you know, a lot of interweaving storylines with with these players with each other. It's kind of like raises the stakes just a little bit more and, according to reports, luka and uh, kristaps hate each other like they truly hated each other, which is why they had to get rid of Christoph Porzingis and send them to Boston. So, with all that being the case, it's gonna it's gonna be a very contested series, not only because they're looking for a championship to, you know, take from each other, but you know they really don't like. There's some players that really don't like each other throughout this series and there's some bad blood going and not to mention, they're going to be in Boston for game one and those Boston fans are going to let Kyrie hear it and Kyrie, I'll give Kyrie this credit is that from what? How he looked in Brooklyn a few years ago, where, you know, going through COVID, he wasn't able to play because that part wasn't his fault, but the idea that him and KD didn't do their job in making sure that that organization was played was led the way it needed to be led by their superstars, and Kyrie was kind of like the main culprit of being the guy that was saying the wrong things and not really bringing everybody together and doing the right things. So he was a. He was radioactive as a player.
Speaker 2:A few years ago when he was traded to Dallas, dallas was looked at as like his last opportunity to, really because Brooklyn wasn't willing to pay him the max contract he was looking for, which is why he wanted to get traded. So like Dallas was looked at as like maybe this is his last opportunity to really show that he can be that guy and he's turned it around. Not only now he's he. I felt like he's turned it around, not only now he's he. I felt like he's found himself in a way that he hasn't before and he has found his place in being the second, the second guy to Luka, to where he can kind of be the elder of state than the guy that's won the championship before but can also lead this young Luka, this superstar in his own right that looks like he's a top five player in this league, to kind of be that guy to help lift him up.
Speaker 2:Because think about it this way when have we?
Speaker 2:When has Kyrie been at his best when he's playing with LeBron and now that he's playing with Luka?
Speaker 2:That that is when we have seen the best of what Kyrie is. And to a certain extent, it kind of the idea that Kyrie doesn't have to do the superstar things, he doesn't have to be the speaker for the locker room, he doesn't have to do the superstar things, he doesn't have to be the speaker for the locker room, he doesn't have to be the guy that everybody points at, like he can just go in and play basketball, he can be the artist that he wants to be, while Luca gets to do all the superstar stuff that you have to take on when it comes to leading an organization and being that guy. And I feel like Kyrie is the. He seems like he's at his most at peace and he says that when you talk to him in interviews and stuff he seems like he's at his most peaceful. And it is going to be the ultimate test when he goes into Boston and they're going to be booing him out. The wazoo. Ultimate test.
Speaker 1:He didn't call the N-word.
Speaker 2:Oh for sure he's going to hear a few of those, no questions asked. But is he going to react? Is he going to flip them off while he's on the sideline doing an inbound? Is he going to do those things he's done before? I would. Is he going to step on their logo and cause a ruckus? I would, but here's the thing that didn't work before. So him just going out there and playing his ball and showing them with his art, that's gonna be the way to rub it in their face. Him and luca going out there and being the superstars that they are against the tatum and brown, that's gonna be the way they they finish this off because kairi, going back to what he once was, is not going to do the job here and they need all of their effort to go towards this because tatum and brown are coming. Brown has been on the absolute. Brown won like the. Apparently they do. Did you know that? They did like a? Um, no, they do. Like the conference finals MVP.
Speaker 2:They do a conference finals MVP now, like they started that last year which is weird, and Brown won that, so it's kind of funny, but Brown has been a, he's been very good throughout this, these playoffs. So, like you have a Tatum and Brown and not to mention they're hearing some heat now too, if they don't win this championship coming in, this has been the second finals they've been to in the last three years. So what are they? Who did we beat in the finals last year? Was that them last year too?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think so right.
Speaker 1:Not last year, I don't think.
Speaker 2:Denver played the Heat, it was because Celtics lost in the conference finals to the Heat last year. It was the year before when they faced Golden State. So the Celtics are the favorite I think they're two to one favorites coming into this finals. So they have all the pressure on them to finally take that last step and win a championship. And if they don't, what's going to happen now? They're still a very young duo, but it seems like I feel like to a certain extent, they have changed everything possible around those two to help them get to this point and take that last step and actually win the championship. So if they don't do it this time against Luka and Kyrie, what is going to happen now? There's nothing else to change.
Speaker 1:They've done everything Except you two. You two are now the problem.
Speaker 2:Right, the fans are now going to point their point, their point at you. Like, hey, what's going on here? Why aren't you guys doing it? Because everything, because everything else has been taken care of. I think, to boston's credit, they really have been all in on trying to win a championship. So, all that being the case, let's go ahead and make our predictions now, because they're going to be end up playing a game before we, before we podcast again how many games. Who you think's winning the series?
Speaker 1:five game, six games, boston probably wins do you think?
Speaker 2:boston and six, yeah, huh, okay boston and six.
Speaker 2:I think this is going seven and I'm going to take Dallas in seven.
Speaker 2:I think seeing Luka play the way he did in that fifth game, where he had 20 points in the first quarter, there is something to that.
Speaker 2:You know, famously Jace hates me for this the one point where I kind of fell into the KD trap was him playing against Milwaukee in that series where he just said, hey, I'm going to do this all by myself and he almost led a team pretty much by himself against Milwaukee to beating them and potentially going to a championship without Kyrie and without Harden. That was the feeling I got when watching Luca play in that game where he everything he do, everything he was doing. You could just tell that he play in that game where everything he was doing, you could just tell that he was in the zone and everything he was doing was working and there is a will that he had in that game that you could just feel watching. And that's the kind of feeling that is very hard to replicate. And now that you're at a point now where it is now who's going to be able to impose their will more, If I had to put money down on who can do that.
Speaker 1:I would put it down on Luka before I would either Tatum or Brown. It's not about imposing your wills, but who has a better team at this point?
Speaker 2:Again, maybe, maybe that is the case, but it's just when teams know each other so well and they're built so well to kind of face each other. I'm not going to sit here and say if Kristaps Porzingis is able to come back in this series, it's going to be a little bit different of a scenario, because I feel like Boston has everything that they need. So I do feel like that would be a big difference. But if Kristaps Porzingis isn't able to come back, I do feel like they're a very evenly matched team and it'll just be about the superstars. But if Chris Asperding is able to come back and be healthy and play well, I do feel like it's going to be an uphill battle for Dallas to climb. But I'll say that Dallas will win it in seven and with your championship, who do you think wins the finals MVP? Either Tatum or Brown, I'm guessing.
Speaker 1:Whoever does the best Because they're very equal right now. They're equally as good. That's true. So it's whoever does best in the final game. Be honest, dude, like Brown did the best in the conference championship, so he got it. That's kind of the only way I can make to discern who would get it.
Speaker 2:And with me saying Dallas, I would obviously definitely be Luka, luka would be the guy. But yeah, that's all we got and obviously I haven't talked to Jake in a minute. Probably have to talk to him because it's his Celtics in the finals now, so maybe he might feel a little better about it. In order to you know, he'll actually feel like the Celtics now make that last step. We'll see if we can get him on, probably maybe next week, to try to talk about it and, depending on how the series is going, we'll see He'll be a happier fan going on. All right, next thing, let's get out of basketball here. So I wanted to give because obviously, with me having that mess up a few weeks ago, we did talk about your schedule, your Bengals schedule. Can you just give us a little bit of a Cliff Notes version of how you feel about the Bengals schedule, because the people never really heard about it? I talked about the Steelers schedule last week by myself. I figured I'd give you the room to talk about your guys for a minute.
Speaker 1:We'll win the division. That's about it Be real with you.
Speaker 2:These other niggas schedule. Son, you're right, you're ranked outside the top 10 when it comes to hardest schedule. So 11 so we're 17.
Speaker 1:Uh, we were shitty last season. We weren't even that shitty. We were actually almost made the playoffs, uh. But like uh, the best team on paper, let's give them the easiest schedule that's where I'm mad about it.
Speaker 2:like well, why, like you know joe burrow's back. So why would you sit there and give them the easiest schedule? That's where I'm at about it. Like well, why, like you know, joe Burrow's back?
Speaker 1:So why?
Speaker 2:would you sit there and give them an easier schedule? I just don't understand.
Speaker 1:I think we deserved it.
Speaker 2:Deserve, like that's really what you're going to go here, deserve it. That's wild for you honestly to say that.
Speaker 1:No, we deserved it, All the struggle, trials and tribulations we had to go through last season.
Speaker 2:It's only struggle, trials and tribulations. Joe Bro got hurt.
Speaker 1:And Does that change the struggle?
Speaker 2:But he's going to be back this year. So what are you going to sit here and say you deserve it now for Is the schedule based off? This year.
Speaker 1:No, it can't be dumb fuck. It's based off last year, yes, and last year we struggled, so we're going to get together this year.
Speaker 2:You barely missed the playoffs. That's cool. I hate you. I think, I'll turn that into. You deserve it.
Speaker 1:We deserve it, just like a new car. We deserve it.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, that was man. Okay, I'm not going to say anything about that, all right, all right, All right. So now that we're talking about your bangles and how something you're feeling great about how do you feel about both your wide receivers being gone and not being there?
Speaker 2:for voluntary practices. Oh, those are voluntary, that's fine, they're not voluntary. Come on, they're said that they're voluntary when you ask a coach like when anybody asks the coaches about it they have to be like, oh, it is voluntary, so it helps them save face to why these guys aren't here, but if you're in those meeting rooms they're telling them it's not voluntary. So the idea that both Chase and Higgins are both not popping up and it both seems like due to contract issues, it are both not popping up and it both seems like due to contract issues it seems like a little bit of a problem.
Speaker 1:Got nothing.
Speaker 2:Go fuck yourself. Oh, we get to talk about the good stuff. You're all for it when we talk about the little bad thing that's happening for your team right now. You give me that, and I'll make it a tad bit worse here because we do have to talk about this. There has been another wide receiver that has now been paid to, kind of you know another guy for you guys to look at and be like, hey, why aren't we being paid more than him? Jalen Waddell. He has signed a new deal with the dolphins three years, 84.75 million dollar deal with 18.87 million guaranteed at signing, with 76 million fully guaranteed throughout the life of the contract, and that is an average of 28 million dollars a year per year. I said per year, per year, twice that on me. I'm an idiot. So that is now another wide receiver. You're looking at him, Waddle, who was the other wide receiver? That was?
Speaker 1:paid Kind of in that same like.
Speaker 2:Devonta Smith, devonta Smith. So now you're like those guys that are kind of like not number one receivers, but they are very good receivers in their own right. They're sitting there, maybe not in the top 10, but they're looking at the top 15, top 20. They're getting paid somewhere between 25 and 28 oh no, sorry, 24 and 28 per year. So now you're you're. If you're t higgins, if you're jamar chase I feel like jamar chase is not necessarily in this, in this, because jamar chase is looking at best wide receiver in the NFL type of money.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, that notwithstanding, I'm not going to go with health on this, because you're usually the guy that's going crazy on health. I'm going to give Chase some credit here and say no matter what, he's the number one receiver that deserves the money that he's looking for. And he's looking for top two money because it's either him or Jay Jetta's that's going to earn that most money per year as a wide receiver.
Speaker 1:Dude Chase has hip problems. Yeah, Like significant hip problems. He's been hurt into the last two years due to hip injuries.
Speaker 2:I know you've had this hot take that you take Higgins over.
Speaker 1:Chase, it's not a fucking hot take. It's what most Bengals fans feel. You ever been on? A Bengals fan like Twitter site?
Speaker 2:No, you dumb fuck, because you're a Steelers fan.
Speaker 1:No, we prefer. Most Bengals fans want Higgins over Chase Because consistency is better than star power. Higgins is more consistent. He's not the bigger star, but he's more consistent. That and when. Higgins is more consistent. He's not the bigger star, but he's more consistent. That and when Higgins is by himself, he usually produces better than when Chase is by himself.
Speaker 2:But if you are Joe Burrow, if you had to put yourself in Joe Burrow's shoes, I think it comes down to who he wants to be, that guy.
Speaker 1:Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that it's not correct Statistically. Everything that he wants is wrong. We drafted Jamar Chase probably specifically off what he wanted. Yeah, it worked until the next season and it didn't work.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Hey, we have an O-line issue and Penasol's fucking great still. Yeah, rashawn Slater's fucking great still. He got paid his money.
Speaker 2:He got paid tackle money. Yeah, he got paid best tackle in the league money. You know what's funny? He earned it.
Speaker 1:We could pay him best tackle in the league, because then we didn't sign Orlando Brown, and then we could pay T Higgins, yeah. And look, we can still go draft another fucking receiver, yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know. This all goes back to you didn't really want Chase in the first place. Huh, I still don't. I never wanted Chase. I feel like the shroud of you. I get what you're saying and all you're saying is perfectly valid and no, you're right. But here's the thing the Bengals being the organization that they are, when he said he wanted chase, they went for it and they now have to deal with the. What they're in now and I do think, offensive line wise, they have kind of through, even through all the wildfires.
Speaker 1:They've had to gotten through. I understand they are.
Speaker 2:They're at a good point right now offensively, but they're aligned.
Speaker 1:I understand, but it doesn't matter, because whenever all these guys deals are up, we're not going to pay him again anyway, that's not necessarily wrong. We don't pay our star receiver twice. We only paid AJ Green once, then he was gone that's true, but I feel like that wasn't money anymore.
Speaker 2:That was injury history that was injuries and he wanted to kind of go more of a winning situation. I feel like that was a time where they started piecing that team out.
Speaker 1:We were in a winning situation. His last year. That was the year we were 14-2. Right, and then he got hurt, and then we were bad for two years.
Speaker 2:Okay. So if he would have been healthy and stuff, I feel like they would have paid him.
Speaker 1:True, we would have also paid people If he would have been healthy and stuff. I feel like they would have paid him, true, he?
Speaker 2:would have also paid people.
Speaker 1:True, that's. The problem is we can't keep our star players on the Bengals because we don't want to pay them. True, that's our biggest problem as the Bengals. We do have one of the. We have the second poorest owner in the NFL.
Speaker 2:So he can't ship out as much money as anybody else, true, but he's still making a ton of money. All these NFL teams are making money. No he don't make as much money. He's not a billionaire on his own. That team is the only reason he makes as much money as he does.
Speaker 2:But, these teams are making money. Hand over fist, they are. That's just the fact of what these NFL teams are. They're making a ton of money. The fact that he wasn't willing to put an indoor practice facility for so long was him just being cheap. He didn't even get a full indoor practice facility. It's only half a field. They're just being cheap. It's not necessarily that they don't have money, true.
Speaker 1:The problem is they're so cheap. Jesse Bates was the number one safety last year.
Speaker 2:Yep and he was with the Falcons.
Speaker 1:And he was a bangle two years ago, the year we went to a Super Bowl. He was a bangle. Y'all didn't franchise tag him. The year we let him go. We didn't use our franchise tag.
Speaker 2:Heck, didn't you guys franchise tag him that year before? And that was the only reason why he saved that last year. Heck, didn't you guys franchise tag him that year before?
Speaker 1:and that was the only reason why he saved that last year. No, he was finishing his rookie contract. We drafted him, we did not franchise tag him. We didn't use our franchise tag that year. Go ahead and look it up. I love being right.
Speaker 2:Wasting my fucking time. I'm afraid he's in now he give me his name.
Speaker 1:No, you figure it out or don't look it up jesse bates.
Speaker 2:They franchise tag him in 2022. They did, and that was the last year, and then they let him go on and become a free agent in 2023 and that's why he signed with the Falcons.
Speaker 2:Long solemn silence is the most fun thing for a podcast. Alright, you want to be done talking about your team? Okay, I'm sorry, I didn't know I was gonna get you this down by talking about it. My apologies, sir. Okay, uh, this is an idea you brought up yesterday that you were kind of you kind of wanted to talk about a little bit. It was looking at the last year's draft not this, this one that just happened, but the year before and kind of give some type of uh analysis on which which players came up and outplayed their coverage not outplayed themselves, but you know, played well, didn't play well, showed out, showed some promise and stuff like that. Well, showed out, showed some promise and stuff like that. Jay's. Yeah, this is your idea, sir. So is there anything you would like me to start with, to kind of get us lot started with this first overall pick? Okay, first overall pick is bryce young why would you start?
Speaker 1:you want to start with the 32nd? Let's talk with Mr Irrelevant, let's start there. That was a stupid fucking question.
Speaker 2:We can go to Mr Irrelevant and see where that goes. You want to see? Oh, we can just say that Mr Irrelevant is. Let's see here, mr Irrelevant was.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Say Okay, say Nope. Oh, sorry, deshaun Johnson, who was a defensive tackle out of Toledo. He was Mr Irrelevant. Sorry, once you said it, I had to. I had to see. Is there anything else From that? No, he didn't play. He didn't make a squad, did he? No else? Um from that? No, he didn't play, he didn't make a squad, did he? Um? No, no, he didn't, he didn't make team. You know, most of most, mr relevance, don't, and I, and I think you'd have a perfect season. Like you know, old boy from San Fran, brock Purdy, brock Purdy.
Speaker 2:All right, bryce Young, we'll start with the guy the number one guy overall got picked up by Carolina who traded up to get that pick and who was that trade with? It was with the Bears, and then now the Bears have now gotten Caleb Williams in this past draft with that pick that they got from Carolina for trading up last year. So, bryce Young, first pick overall. How did it go? I feel like if anybody has watched any of the NFL last year, it wasn't well, it was bad, and I will say it wasn't all because of him. It was a whole team issue. There wasn't a lot of crazy weapons. I feel like the best wide receiver they had was Adam Thielen. Running back-wise was a lot of nothing and their offensive line was absolutely horrid. Honestly, it did not help him whatsoever. So the idea that a lot of people thought this Carolina team was probably going to be the best opportunity to go and play well early on and it turned out not to be so I will give Bryce Young a little bit of flowers here. He was in a very bad situation that didn't help him accentuate any of his great attributes that he had as a player. Maybe going into this year with some of the picks they have had got him a couple weapons. Maybe they can do a little bit better with that going into year two. But year one it was bad all around as not only for the team but I think even with him, with the issues they had as a team, he wasn't able to show a lot of things that he does well Like. See, I was going into last draft hating Bryce Young, right. But now that he's not attached to Alabama, no more and I saw him as an NFL player and I don't have to fight for CJ Stroud, no more, he's the NFL darling right now.
Speaker 2:Based on what he did year one, I do feel like I can be a little bit more sober about what Bryce Young is and what his experience was last year, and I feel like I'm being a lot more fair to say that I feel like the Carolina Panthers didn't even set him up enough to even make a real definitive choice on whether Bryce Young is going to be a guy long-term or not. So I feel like I wouldn't necessarily say he failed year one. It's almost like a what is it? Dnp? No, incomplete, incomplete. I almost feel like it's an incomplete for year one going into year two, because I don't think I can make a statement either way on what I think he'll be as a player Do.
Speaker 2:I think he still has some things that he can do, Like when people were calling him the Steph Curry of the next Steph Curry of football. That was where people were going insane and people were going too far as to try to make him a bit better player than what he is. But he is not as bad as what he has showed last year either. So I just want to give him a little bit of grace and just say, hopefully in year two, with a little bit more around him, he can figure it out, and I feel like that organization overall has at least made a few good choices his way in getting a couple offensive linemen, getting him some weapons and really helping him out. Agree, disagree, no I agree.
Speaker 1:I just think the Panthers they kind of like Mingo is a good receiver, he's just not. He's not the number one receiver they wanted and I think he can be. It's like they just kind of threw him into a role where, hey, he's not really getting the ball, they're not running plays that work for him, and I just think they weren't able to. That offensive line was so bad, exactly so like he's a deep ball threat, even medium, he's really, really good. It's just short throws, not where he's a tall receiver, the big frame, uh, and a huge area of. He has a huge catch radius, and they just weren't the guys they drafted. They weren't able to use them properly no, I honestly, I totally agree.
Speaker 2:And let me, I just want to make sure with let's see here, with let's see here teams. Uh, okay, I just want to look at. I just want to say real quick for the panthers. Um, real quick for the Panthers this past draft. They got a wide receiver they were able to get. They got Jonathan Brooks probably the best running back in this last draft, out of Texas. They got a tight end. They didn't get any linemen in this year's draft.
Speaker 2:So I thought they said they were going to help but apparently they weren't. They didn't necessarily get him any help at offensive line, no, but they got him a lot of weapons. They got him a tight end, got him a running back, got him wide receivers. They really get the widest black receiver, what Jake brought to us that one time. So he was definitely going to be a guy. He was able to do a lot of South Carolina. From what I saw. He's definitely an explosive guy at wide receiver. He can definitely explosive guy at wide receiver. He can help take the top off of defense. So they did help in that way.
Speaker 1:But that offensive line they're gonna have to make some strides there. They they did nothing for that offensive line all year.
Speaker 2:They didn't even sign anybody so, that being the case, definitely not helpful. Um. So maybe they can do some things offensively to help out Bryce Young, but you know, we'll have to see if he and hopefully he'll be able to take some steps too as a player. Here's the problem. I think some of the downsides to him is more things he can't change. He can't change the fact that he's barely over six foot, like no, sorry, he's five, 10, barely five, 10. He can't change that fact. He can't change the fact that he doesn't have the strongest arm out there. He can get a little bit better, but like I don't think he's necessarily come out having a nuke like kyler murray at his size, I feel like kyler murray for the size that he is a little bit of an anomaly for what he can do at his size. Bryce young isn't going to be able to recreate that and I feel like that was what. And bryce young doesn't even look like he can necessarily be Drew Brees right now. So I feel like he's going to have to find his own lane to be able to navigate his NFL career and try to make his own lane as to what he is as a player. But hopefully he can take his own strides too, and hopefully, with the team's help, they can have a lot better of a season going into this year.
Speaker 2:Cj Stroud number two, nothing really to talk about. He was a monster. Last year they got him even more weapons. Stefan Diggs like this last draft, it felt like they didn't even necessarily have a crazy need they had to go after. They were just drafting best player they could available at their draft picks. They did so, got him Stefan. Uh, stefan Diggs, stefan Diggs, right, yeah, I just want to make sure I didn't mess up with Travion Diggs. I always get those two mixed up sometimes. So they got him another big weapon. They ended up signing um, oh, that was another wide receiver signing I wanted to talk about and I almost forgot. Um, texans, let me make signings. Oh no, nico collins. They signed him to a deal too. It was like a three-year 75 million dollar deal or something like that, or like 68 yeah, it was a decent deal.
Speaker 2:It wasn't anything like special I think it was nico collins contract. So it was a three-year 75 75 million dollar max value deal, with 17 year, 17 million dollar signing bonus and 52 million dollars guaranteed. So he's getting 20. He's like in the 24 25 year range it's not anything crazy it's not.
Speaker 2:but for a guy of his stature, the fact that he's able to get paid like that. And you know a funny fact, tyreek Hill is getting paid less than that this year. He's actually only getting $19 million in cash this year because apparently the deal that he signed technically they said was $30 million a year but it was like Fugazi and it's not actual new cash that he's getting. That's over $30 million a year. He's really getting like $25 million. So I feel like Tyreek Hill is going to be going back to the Dolphins trying to look for a new deal as well, maybe looking for his last chance to get a big deal before he starts taking a dip physically.
Speaker 2:So all that being, nico Collins got paid off of having the big year at City of Stroud. Last year they got Stephon Diggs. They're just looking like a team that's going to be taking a big step up, going into year two where last year they already made the playoffs. So they're looking at the Joe Burrow Bengals type of run where year two they're looking to make an even bigger step, maybe get to a conference championship or Super Bowl. So not much to say about that. Will Anderson pick three? Also to the Texans had a big year last year.
Speaker 2:Was one of the stalwarts of their defense Got after the passer Did his thing. Anthony Richardson pick four. He only played six games into the season.
Speaker 1:He looked good in those six games. It's just he's injury prone and doesn't know how to fucking slide. He's looking for contact a lot like Cam Newton did. It's just Cam Newton had a. In all honesty, Cam Newton was bigger. Cam Newton was physically bigger they're right around the same height, but Cam Newton had more muscle on him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was a heavier dude, so that contact wasn't doing as much to Cam Newton, wasn't? Anthony Richardson's injury was like a shoulder injury that ended his season.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because he was running.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he got tackled and then, like a week before that, he got hurt because of his leg, but he— he had concussion injuries too. He did because he kept going heads up with people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and these linebackers don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I will give Anthony Richardson his credit is that when he was playing he showed a lot of promise. He was doing some really good things passing the football around. He was looked at as like more of the project of all the quarterbacks coming into last year's draft. But he came out, he made some strides throwing the football around. He was using his athleticism to help them make plays but, like Jay said, wasn't really willing to try to protect himself more and it did lead to him getting some of those injuries and it didn't really help him be able to finish out the season. But you know, I do feel like Anthony Richardson. If he can get healthy and be good to go for year two, I feel like he's going to be ready to show out and be very good for that Colts team. Devon Witherspoon was the pick five for Seattle. He played well. I think he's looking like their number one cornerback right now. He played very well last season for that team. Paris Johnson at pick six for Arizonazona.
Speaker 2:he ended up playing right tackle last year yeah to start and he looks like he's going to be their eventual left tackle um whenever he is ready. But the fact that he was able to come out, be on the line, start to start the year, played all year, played very well um a big help for them, helping him be able to protect kyler murray, who looks like he's going to be their starter for long term. So if you're going to have Kyler Murray back there, you're going to have to be able to protect him, to keep him healthy and everything. And when Kyler was able to come back, they managed to protect him very well. And the Cardinals played very well last year.
Speaker 2:I feel like they weren't necessarily looked at as one of the better teams in the NFL NFL, but they were able to come out and they scared a lot of teams, got some big wins um. They played some good football even though they were. They were at pick four this past draft um where they picked Marvin Harrison, so like they still had a very high draft pick. They didn't win a lot of games, but they were very competitive in all their games and the fact they were able to keep Kyler upright was a big help for them. Um. Tyree Wilson to the Rams he, he did not play at all last year. He played absolutely nothing, he didn't play anything. So what position?
Speaker 2:um tyree yeah, uh, outside linebacker, slash the end. They draft him from texas tech. He played nothing but again they knew he was going to be injured coming into the season and he just wasn't able to play whatsoever, wasn't able to show up. Hopefully he can get healthy and be ready to go. B John Robinson at eight he was everything the Falcons wanted, and more.
Speaker 1:That the Falcons stopped using.
Speaker 2:They just stopped using because of the head coach Didn't really do his thing at the time.
Speaker 1:Who's now your offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2:Yes, who is now your offensive coordinator? Yes, again, I'm not going down this road with you, whatever, because now we're going to be talking about my team.
Speaker 1:I can't wait for your offense to suck the most dick and pickens Be like. Hey, I'm not getting the ball, they're throwing the.
Speaker 2:That's not going to happen. What's his name?
Speaker 1:Who the fuck is that?
Speaker 2:Can't wait for that to happen.
Speaker 1:That's not going to happen. String wide receiver look, he has I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2:Shut the fuck up see, that's why a boss who also can't go off into place, yes I don't know no no, no see, now we're down this road again. I hate you. Bj robinson, great at eight for the falcons number nine. Jalen carter for philadelphia. He came in probably one of the best defense tackle in the nfl. He played very well last year, bolstering their defense even more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, even though NFL he played very well last year, bolstering their defense even more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, even though their defense didn't play well last year, but that was more about their secondary than their defensive line.
Speaker 1:Their front seven was elite. Well, their front five, they have some of the worst linebackers in the NFL.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because that's kind of where they decided not to put any money into Well that's the thing.
Speaker 1:That's the one position where you can actually go get decent linebackers for cheap linebackers. True, on a defense linebacker is probably some of the easiest guys to pay. Yeah, but the guys they picked did not work out well for them fuck, no um.
Speaker 2:Next one we got is darn all right, chicago came in. Darn all right, tackle. He came in, played well. He played well for for them. But they had a lot of issues protecting Justin Fields. But by the end of the season the offensive line was a lot better than they were to start the season. So I will give them that credit and Darnell Wright's a good part of that. Peter Skowronski, for Tennessee, was a tackle for them. He played well for them, played very well.
Speaker 1:He was so good for them.
Speaker 2:He played well for them.
Speaker 1:Played very well. He was so good.
Speaker 2:I think there was a lot of other issues on that Tennessee team that led to them not having great play on the field.
Speaker 1:Agreed.
Speaker 2:But Peter Scaranci was a great pick for them, on top of the fact they got their quarterback in the second round with old boy Levis.
Speaker 1:Got it. Second round QB, who's looking like he probably should have been a first rounder. He's playing really well.
Speaker 2:And then they doubled down and got him another offensive tackle this year to help protect him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it looks like they're taking the steps necessary to help him out long term and if they can help him get a couple more weapons, or if you can bring Mike Frable back, because I still don't understand that shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a whole thing because I still don't understand that shit. Yeah, that's a whole thing. I don't feel like we'll get the whole story as to what happened until years on down the line. But Mike Vrabel as soon as a team does not play well this year, mike Vrabel will be the first guy that's called Dude.
Speaker 1:I don't give a fuck how well we play. This is the last year of Zach Taylor's contract. Let it be the fucking last year of his contract. We have defensive issues. We clearly don't need an offensive coach because we he don't. Zach Taylor don't call plays anyway.
Speaker 2:Actually he did, which is why they let the off the off the corner go and be the coach of the Titans now, funny enough. So Zach Taylor did call plays.
Speaker 1:How good were those plays? Not great. How many screen passes did you watch?
Speaker 2:A lot of bad offensive plays called Okay cool.
Speaker 1:So let's just fire him. Hire Mike Vrabel, be like, hey, dude, go run the defense, you and Luan Arumo, because he's Luan Arumo's probably sitting back like I need a head coaching job somewhere, because let's be honest. With what he's been doing with the defense, on a defense that ain't that good. He has that front seven in tip-top shape. We have a great front seven and he coached up those young guys well in the secondary last year. He manages with that secondary.
Speaker 2:They still got torched, but it wasn't like they were getting. They looked like they were supposed to be out there. At least they look young.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll be honest with you. There was a lot of games where I'm like they don't look bad, they just look young. Like Dax Hill and Jordan Battle are biting on things that older safeties wouldn't bite on, and that happens and that's cool. That was Dax Hill's first year at free safety. And that was Jordan Battle's first year in the fucking NFL, so I understand. But come on, Mike Vrabel is sitting at home doing nothing right now and y'all looked at Zach Taylor like no, he's good.
Speaker 1:No y'all don't want to pay Mike Vrabel. That's what the problem is.
Speaker 2:And they don't want to hand the organization over to him, because I do feel like Mike Vrabel now is at a point where he gave up control of the players and stuff to the GM and they traded away a guy like AJ Brown and got a different wide receiver and that wide receiver has done nothing in the nfl since they dropped trailing burks.
Speaker 1:Trail on burks, trailing burks. I think it's trailing, it's not. It's trailing burks.
Speaker 2:Okay, they drafted him to replace aj brown and it has not worked out well. So as soon as something like that happens, vrabel was not very happy with how that went and I feel like now he's going to be looking for whatever job he gets, he's going to want the I want to be able to have be able to pick my gm treatment, which is fine.
Speaker 1:But hey, we're bringing you in when we have a gm and our gm has great draft history. You do not have to worry about us fucking up.
Speaker 2:We have great draft history outside of the first round but yeah, but at that point that's on him to be like hey, if him and the the GM can mesh and kind of match ideologies, then it'll be a great fit. But if him and the GM don't work, they're not together in what they're doing because, honestly, it's a hand-in-hand process. So if they don't have an understanding as to what each other are trying to do, it won't work out from the get-go. So I feel like that's going to be even more important.
Speaker 1:I knew it was my owner who died. He was like 88. He can't have much time left.
Speaker 2:Pick 12. Jameer Gribbs, to Detroit, amazing player for them, played well. Honestly he helped them a lot, was a very good running back Catching the football down the backfield.
Speaker 1:He was a good between the backs kind of running back.
Speaker 2:He ran the football very well.
Speaker 1:He runs well between the tackles and on the outside. Yeah, he's a very put-together back.
Speaker 2:And he's explosive.
Speaker 1:Yes, and having Montgomery to just kind of relieve it some.
Speaker 2:Yeah, be more of the thumper, be able to get some of the more tough yards.
Speaker 1:But I look at Jameer Gibbs. I look at Jameer Gibbs and I'm like I don't think he he's one of those backs. I'm like he may not need a second back.
Speaker 2:He definitely gives you the vibe from the dude from New Orleans, alvin Kamara. Alvin Kamara. He gives you Alvin Kamara runs the football between the tackles a lot more. That's the thing he said, it and you would think that's what I modeled my game after is.
Speaker 1:Alvin Kamara one year where it's just him. I think you have to give him one year where he's getting 80%. You have to see it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but again I feel like to a certain extent it only helps running backs long term when it comes to them playing well in the NFL, which I agree. Not to mention if they end up getting all those carries and showing their number one guys. They're going to want to be paid like it and that never goes well for anybody, because no team ever gives them the money they're looking for. They gave.
Speaker 1:Kamara the money he was looking for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Alvin Kamara sat back and was like, hey, I'm your best receiver. And not to mention when they paid him, they were on the last few years of what they thought they were going to get of Drew Brees, until his arm just pretty much died. Which is funny, because Drew Brees recently just came out and said that he felt like he was going to play like another three years, but his arm just ended up giving up on giving out on him. So if his arm would have stayed good, he would have played another two, three more years. But you know, his arm thought differently as to how that was going. You know, to this point he still can't even go out in the backyard and throw with his right hand with his kids. He has to go lefty because that's how dead his throwing arm is. So I feel like him them paying alvin kamara was what them going out of desperation to be like, hey, we need to make sure we give drew breeze everything necessary. And now that he is not there, and they now?
Speaker 1:that's a lie. Uh, that's false. They paid alvin kamara after 2020. Drew breeze retiredrees retired in 2020. So no, that's a lie. They paid Alvin Kamara after Drew Brees had retired. I just looked it up. I just looked it up. Okay, what the fuck? Why are you gonna question me on everything, bro? I know, I'm just calculating my head 2020. They both got. He got paid in 2020. Brees retired in 2020. Alrightze retired in 2020. All right, goddamn bro, why do you have to question me on every fucking thing I say?
Speaker 2:I didn't question you. I didn't say a thing.
Speaker 1:Dude come on.
Speaker 2:It's all good. I believe you, we're all good. Whatever dude Next pick Lucas Van Ness for Green what was that? Green Bay? Yeah, lucas Van Ness for Green Bay. Yeah, lucas Van Ness, defensive lineman. Am I crazy?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He played well for them, managed to make some plays, helped out the Green Bay Packers defense. They do need a little bit more offensively. They were able to do a lot last year, but he was a great defensive lineman for them. 14, pittsburgh Broderick Jones the reason why they didn't have him play earlier was insane. But as soon as they brought him in the offensive line took a big step forward in being able to run the football and pass, protect and he's either going to be playing right off the tackle or left tackle. And why did I say right off the tackle, right tackle or left tackle this year, with them picking up another tackle in this draft with Troy Faltanu. So they're taking more and more steps to kind of fortify that offensive line to be able to run the football better and protect, whichever quarterback is going to be playing for us this year. So Roger Jones great pick, awesome, has all the tools, was pretty healthy last year. Good for them. Will McDonald for the Jets Big pickup for them.
Speaker 2:Defensive end he played well, was able to kind of come in and I don't think he started last year, I don't think he was a starter, but he was able to come in and make a big push for them, especially by the end of the year. He did end up becoming a starter and was doing some good things for them, being able to get after the passer, especially with their offense being able to do nothing because Zach Wilson was at the helm and they didn't have Aaron Rodgers last year. So, defensively, definitely a big pickup for them to be kind of on that defensive line along with Quentin Nelson being able to wreak havoc on quarterbacks they'll have to face. Hopefully they'll be able to do more of that in year two of his career coming in, hopefully with Aaron Rodgers being able to play all 17 games. I doubt it, but hopefully he'll be able to play at least most of it. Emmanuel Forbes man, that was a crazy cornerback to draft, huh, I feel like he took the year to kind of get bodied by everybody Small bodied.
Speaker 1:No, I just think they weren't using him correctly.
Speaker 2:Again, he was meant to be their number one corner.
Speaker 1:And I agree and that's fine. It's just, they had him playing press coverage on big-ass receivers twice in two different games. They were like hey, go press coverage, aj Brown. And when AJ Brown came off the line and fucking pushed his ass. But then in other games where he wasn't playing big-ass receivers, and even in games where he was and he could just step back from him, he was doing okay. I just think they misused him.
Speaker 2:I don't know, it's hard. It's gonna be hard to look at a dude that weighs 170 pounds, wet, and him be able to take, and honestly there's no frame for him to kind of fill out at all, so like he is skin and bones for the most part. So they maybe you're right, maybe he's gonna have to do a lot more zone. They're going to have a different system incoming with a brand new head coach. Actually their head coach is the guy coming over from the Cowboys, but he did play a lot of zone in their system. They weren't necessarily playing a lot of man-on-man defense, so maybe they might be able to put him in a better spot to kind of make some plays and not have to do the one-on-one, be able to face these big body receivers.
Speaker 2:But again, I feel like it's a. That's a. Very. Obviously you can be too short, but the idea that you can be he's long, but the fact that they can just sit there and move you out the way quickly with not having to do too much, kind of a big deal, especially with the wide receivers you're not to face in your own conference and your own division. So not necessarily the best pick. I feel like they drafted him fairly early on, like nobody's really thinking he's going to be picked up that high.
Speaker 1:I know I was thinking he's on top of the fucking Bengals. I think he fit in the Bengals system of hey, you're not going to have to guard the big ass receivers, that's what Cam Taylor-Britt's for. You're over there, going to guard the faster receiver that Cam Taylor-Britt can't guard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, especially when the next guy that was taken was Christian Gonzalez, who played very well for the Patriots until he ended up getting hurt last year.
Speaker 2:But when you have a guy like Christian Gonzalez still on the board that they could have picked instead of Emmanuel Forbes, that has all the physical tools. That isn't a small guy, he's long, he has those size that they could have picked up. A guy like that definitely could have been a better pick for them. But manuel forbes for the patriots played very well until he ended up getting hurt last year, going in like halfway through the year. But he was a bit good pickup for them, played a lot of played a lot of good football.
Speaker 2:Uh, kailash can't see for tampa bay. Who the fuck is that? Defense tackle? Klaju Kansi Don't know who that is. He played some good football for the Buccaneers who ended up making the playoffs last year. He was able to get after the quarterback. He's kind of like in the Aaron Donald type where he's a little bit smaller but he's very fast, quick feet, stuff like that. Yeah, he caused a lot of havoc on the defensive line, played very well, 20th pick overall. Jackson Smith and Jigba Played well for that Seahawks team last year. Jace, don't even say it, leave him alone, don't do it, just don't.
Speaker 1:Leave it alone. Played very well for them. Last year he was their number three guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah Him walking into a team with already two established guys on that team was a tough road, but he was able to make an impact anyway.
Speaker 1:Type shit.
Speaker 2:Played very well, had a game-winning touchdown catch.
Speaker 1:That's impressive. Played well for this Seahawks team. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Can I go on to the next thing?
Speaker 1:I never said you couldn't Quentin Johnston 21, to the Chargers. That's funny, I know you get some joy out of that.
Speaker 2:One Didn't do much at all of anything he didn't do much of anything.
Speaker 1:My bad. He dropped a whole fuck ton of passes, so he did do something. He did a lot of something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's no question. Yeah Did not play well last year, but again I feel like that Chargers team kind of underperformed it all always last year dude, come on.
Speaker 1:That sounds like you're trying to defend him, just stop.
Speaker 2:I'm not trying to defend him, I'm just trying to say there's nothing you can say for him say Flowers Baltimore next pick good pick, great pick, play well for them. Ended up being their number one guy. I felt like he had over 1,000 yards last year, didn't he?
Speaker 1:He either had just over 1,000 or a stupid close 8.58.
Speaker 2:Five touchdowns. He was close.
Speaker 1:He would have been six. He could hold on to the goal line.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's tough. That was a tough little jab there, huh.
Speaker 1:He played well for them, except on the goal line.
Speaker 2:I still think they have a weakness at wide receivers. They don't necessarily have a big-bodied guy that can kind of get some more consistent catches. Stop with your hat.
Speaker 1:Oh my.
Speaker 2:God, he had his hat weirdly done where he was like messing with his eye and they had his weird look.
Speaker 1:It looked like two-faced.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was crazy. Zay Flowers played well for them last year. I doubt he can be a true number one for them. He's just so small and he's not necessarily Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1:Okay, whatever.
Speaker 2:Okay, jace doesn't like what I just said.
Speaker 1:No, I'm so tired about that. Just continue, just continue.
Speaker 2:He played well for them last year. Played very well.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Jordan Addison 23, to year Played very well. Jordan Addison 23 to.
Speaker 1:Minnesota Played well in the absence of Jay Jedis.
Speaker 2:No, he played very well last year. He acquitted himself well when he ended up being the number one guy. But when he's back and he's being the number two, he's even more effective. But I don't think he's a number two in the same way like. Why am I forgetting his name for the steelers when he was there?
Speaker 2:deontay johnson no uh, chase claypool the guy that ended up going to this, to this, uh, new england juju's message juju, that one year he had with a antonio brown where he was a monster and then once soon as antonio brown was out, he wasn't able to do anything as the main guy to kind of make plays on his own. I don't think Jordan Addison is that type of receiver that won't be able to make plays on his own like he showed last year when Jay Jedis was out. He was still very effective as a wide receiver when he was getting number one treatment.
Speaker 1:I agree, but the way that Jay Jedis is effective anywhere. I don't think addison's as effective anywhere. Yes, but I think jordan addison's the most effective when he can get. Like he, he needs space to catch the football.
Speaker 2:He's not gonna get you contested catches no, he's a speed, definitely more of a speed guy.
Speaker 1:Uh sure, and he's a downfield threat I agree, he is, and even at medium range. He still needs space, but he doesn't speed up as fast as justin does.
Speaker 2:True.
Speaker 1:He's not as shifty as Justin Jefferson is. So I agree, but he was getting a lot of one-on-one battles. Yeah, justin Jefferson does not get those and he still gets his yards, so I don't know if I can call him a. I'm not going to say he can continue to get his numbers because he gets a lot of one-on-one battles yeah, but he never got one. He never got number one treatment when it was just him. Yeah, he did no, he didn't.
Speaker 2:He was the best guy on their on their team when it doesn't mean he's getting no one treatment yes, but he was he was still getting one-on-one battles. Yes, because they were trying to cover the whole field but he was still trying to, he still faced their best corner and he still played fairly well, which I understand.
Speaker 1:But when you're getting one-on-one battles and he was faster than most of those corners he's going to face, and when he's in divisions where there's not a prominent fucking corner in that division I'm. I hear what you're saying. I'm not saying there's an asterisk, I. It's not as clear cut as what you were saying.
Speaker 2:I just think he has, I think, Addison's good, I just think he's not.
Speaker 1:I think he's a number two. Definite I think he's a number two.
Speaker 2:See, that's where I'm not willing to take that. Is he as good as?
Speaker 1:Devonta Smith, who can be a number one, puts up number one numbers.
Speaker 2:I think he's. I think he'd be just as good as Devonta Smith. Okay, I can't think it can be. Hey Jace doesn't agree, all right.
Speaker 1:I don't think anybody would fucking agree with that statement.
Speaker 2:I said he can be. I'm not saying he is, I'm saying he can be.
Speaker 1:Okay, what goes on in that crazy mind of?
Speaker 2:yours lot of things, a lot of things. Uh, deontay banks to the giants at 24 he played well for them last year I'm not.
Speaker 1:Is that I'm not gonna be?
Speaker 2:the first person to give praise to giants players. Who is that? Deontay banks? He ended up. He played at maryland that helps he played very well for that team last year and he acquitted himself well as a corner.
Speaker 1:He's a corner. Oh, didn't know that, must have missed him.
Speaker 2:He played well. He did not get torched all the time as a player.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Are you trying to look at the stats right now?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no. He had two picks last year, played 15 games. There you go. Okay, I don't give a fuck. Hey, I just want to make sure I'm just trying to not hate on the Giants at all times.
Speaker 2:Duncan Cade pick 25 for Buffalo Amazing pick. He played very well for them. I feel like he was like at times last year he became the second best receiving target for them because they were kind of phasing out Stefan Diggs throughout the year and him as a tight end. He's a mismatched nightmare with the size that he has, with speed. He has played very well last year.
Speaker 2:He will only blossom, I feel like, maybe by the end of this year, maybe going in by end of this upcoming season. He will definitely be considered a top five tight end in the NFL because of his usage, because of the skills that he has he's. He can get a little bit better as a blocker, but I think overall he is so potent as a pass catcher from the tight end position he's very good. Um he'll, he is so potent as a pass catcher from the tight end position, he's very good. He'll be a top five guy by the end of the year. Got a few picks left in that first round We'll be done here. Jace Mozzie Smith, pick 26 for Dallas, played well, but it's Dallas. He played at Michigan. He was inconsistent, wasn't able to really play against the run all that well.
Speaker 1:He's like the rest of the team.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's not wrong, that's not wrong. That's so true Good player. He needs to take some steps to get a little bit better. Anton Harrison pick 27. Offensive lineman? I have no idea. Out of Oklahoma I have no clue For who To Jacksonville.
Speaker 1:Clearly you were asked.
Speaker 2:No clue. Miles Murphy, Cincinnati.
Speaker 1:What you think, he didn't play. I can't say you were bad because you didn't play. You were not going in, because what? He's? A DN? Yeah, we're looking at Trey Hendrickson, we're probably looking at his stats every time we were trying to throw Miles Murphy in.
Speaker 2:He had three sacks, ten solo tackles last year. That's fine. Ten solos, ten assists, three tackles for loss and three QB hits that's fine. Yeah, not terrible.
Speaker 1:We have nowhere to throw you in at. We have Sam Hubbard on one side and we have Trey Hendricks on the other side, and they're both consistent. They're both pressuring the quarterback all the time. There's few and far times to throw you in, dude.
Speaker 2:Maybe there'll be a spot opened up if they can't figure things out, if we can't figure out with Trey.
Speaker 1:Hendrickson cool yeah, probably we're probably going to re-sign Sam. Hubbard, because we, like Sam Hubbard, he's not going to require a ton of money. He's an Ohio guy, he's a Bengals fan for life, so it's like might as well keep paying you.
Speaker 2:You keep getting eight sacks and always be pressuring the quarterback, and in big-ass moments I'm going to help.
Speaker 1:So you know he's the kind of guy like, hey, we don't want to lose him, so maybe Miles Murphy after this year. Maybe he'll be our next Trey Henderson.
Speaker 2:I fucking doubt it, but maybe that's at least what they're drafting him to be right Pick 29,.
Speaker 1:Brian, right pick 29 brian breezy, um for new orleans, played very well for them last year. Um, he's a defensive tackle. Ah, there it is. That was like that.
Speaker 2:One sounds familiar yeah, uh, he played well that that new orleans team has a lot of things going on. I think it was more defense and more the offense defense. Yeah, I feel like the defense is playing fine, it's just they're halftime.
Speaker 1:the defense look like, hey, we're just playing for no fucking reason. Yeah, they're looking up the scoreboard like damn, they only got 14?.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because, like you, Old boy, Derek Carr, came in with a lot of praise coming in his way and he did not really acquit himself to his teammates all that well and things went downhill very quickly.
Speaker 1:From what I've heard, he's very hard to like. Yeah, like from what the Saints and Raiders were saying, he's not a likable dude, yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:The idea that they like Jameis more than him is a definite problem, but apparently Jameis is easy to fucking like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but at the end of the day if you are helping them win, then it makes it easier to like you, but if you're not helping them win and you're not likable, it's a double whammy, it's a double negative. Bro, can't do that. Pick 30, nolan Smith for Philly. He was hurt most of last year, managed to play a little bit towards the end of last year, funny enough. They do need more defensive end pressure. They don't really get a lot of that. So if they can get Nolan Smith healthy and ready to go, he's got a little bit undersized.
Speaker 1:He has DTs and then no one else.
Speaker 2:So if he can come out, get a little heavier, can make some more plays from the defensive end position, it'll be a definite help for them. But he did go into last year hurt, so I'm not going to sit here and say bad or good. For the most part it's more of an incomplete. Hopefully he'll be ready to go for year two, be able to make some crazy plays for them. Pick 31, felix Eneduke Uzuma. Who the fuck is that? That was to Kansas City Defensive end.
Speaker 1:He made a couple plays during their playoff run.
Speaker 2:He had eight sacks. Sorry, no Sacks. He had 5 sacks. Yeah, sorry, no sacks. He had 0.5 sacks. 0.5 sacks, eight solo tackles, six assisted tackles, two tackles for loss and seven qb hits. So he did okay, but he's definitely wasn't necessarily. He didn't really even start any games, so he wasn't their starter at all. More of a backup he. He made some plays Is what it is for the champs. He got a ring year one, so he did something right, I guess. So, all that being the case, and then, last but not least, pick 32. Technically, a second round pick, because the Dolphins got their pick taken.
Speaker 1:No, it's still a first round pick. He was picked 33.
Speaker 2:He's picked 32.
Speaker 1:He is not a first round pick he was picked 33. He's picked 32. He does not count Of the second round, pick 32.
Speaker 2:It's round two.
Speaker 1:It does not count.
Speaker 2:Joey Porter Jr. You don't want to give him my credit.
Speaker 1:He played great for the Steelers last year. I will unplug this bitch. Stop playing with me. He's the second round pick.
Speaker 2:There's nothing you can do.
Speaker 1:He played okay.
Speaker 2:He played good.
Speaker 1:Okay, how's his tackling?
Speaker 2:He had 32. That's not bad for a corner. 32 tackles, that corner ain't bad. 11 assists, one tackle for loss. He played great. He had a pick last year as well. Okay, and he did not get burned all year long by faster receivers. He played very well.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm not talking about Chase. Chase didn't even go crazy on him.
Speaker 1:We're all good I didn't say he did.
Speaker 2:But yeah, you're trying to look up some stats to try to down Joey.
Speaker 1:Porter Jr. I know.
Speaker 2:So are we good to go on to the next thing? Okay, so we could go on to the next thing. Okay, jason has his look sometimes when we're talking and like he just like, has this little like ah, I got something coming up, something coming about. Nope, I'm not gonna go with what I was about to say. You're struggling. No, I would say coming out of my sleeve, and then you're gonna say, oh, pause, you can't say that. So I was trying to catch myself in the middle about to say something sus. So I was actually trying to not say something crazy. But that's all the first round. Since you don't want to talk about Joey Porter Jr, do you have any outside guys that you want to talk about? I think there's only one that really comes to my mind, guys that really overplayed their draft value, and that's P to Nakua.
Speaker 1:Did we play you twice? Yes, jace, they're showing one game, they're not showing two.
Speaker 2:Yes, you played us twice last year. Okay when, see, I knew you were looking up something.
Speaker 1:Unless I'm tweaking, this shows us playing you once. Oj Chizzy only played you once, that's what it is. He had 81 yards and a touchdown.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's a normal day when you can go for $100, $50. You're right. See, you were hoping to sit there and be like oh, he went off for 1-3-5 and two touchdowns against you. That's what you were hoping to. Sit there and be like oh, he went off for one, three, five and two touchdowns against you. That's what you were looking for. No, no, see, you don't know why. I try to act nice now. Now you want to be?
Speaker 1:nice.
Speaker 2:No I hate you.
Speaker 1:I've done nothing wrong, I hate you.
Speaker 2:You're always plotting and scheming against me. That's how it goes, javonta. That is unfair. No, that's not unfair, that's totally fair for our whole dynamic. If our Germans that listen to every podcast that we put out, they know that you're always plotting and scheming against me.
Speaker 1:That's how that goes. I'm plotting and scheming against you, Gervonta. Alright, beat your fucking ass, 140 and a tutty.
Speaker 2:Okay, that was in a loss, right though 140. That was in a loss, though, with.
Speaker 1:Jake Browning, you fuck nigga this 140 on your fucking head 140. 140.
Speaker 2:I want to say that was George Porter Jr, the main defender on I don't know See, we don't know, see, there's nothing he can say. That was Joey Porter Jr, the main main defender on I don't know see, we don't know, see, there's nothing he could say. Maybe Joey Porter.
Speaker 1:Jr didn't play that game. I have no idea, who knows? Yeah, he did, I don't know. Yes, he did, because this is the game that we could. If we would have beat you, we would have gotten the playoffs. Yeah, he did play this on the sideline?
Speaker 2:I don't know. No, he wasn't. I don't know what the situation is.
Speaker 1:We beat your ass. Now you're trying to deflect.
Speaker 2:He beat your ass. This is a time where we got to end the podcast.
Speaker 1:Joey Porter's fucking head on this nigga's head On his head, his head.
Speaker 2:If you've listened to the podcast for a while we appreciate you If you are just now joining in.
Speaker 1:You got shit to say? Huh, you got shit to say, Go ahead, say some shit. I'm trying to do the outro. Say it. I'm trying to do the outro. Was T not on this nigga's head?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I can't recollect, I don't know.
Speaker 1:All right, cool, I'll just pull up a clip from the game. Go ahead, fuck with me, I'm not.
Speaker 2:I'm trying not end this podcast. Are you going to look up a compilation of that whole game and see how many snaps Joey Porter Jr was there for? Is that what's about to go on here?
Speaker 1:I already have it.
Speaker 2:He's looking at it all now See you can't do this in silence, so you got to give us a little bit of a play-by-play here.
Speaker 1:Jerry Potter's already been burnt twice.
Speaker 2:Which week was this?
Speaker 1:This would have been week 11? No, we're 8 and 6, so week 15. 16. Week 16.
Speaker 2:Week 16 highlights here. Turn off the volume here. Let's see. Okay, that's one. That junior was stopped by Joey Porter Jr. Look at that, that one. He was on the inside of the slot corner. Joey Porter Jr wasn't even on that. On the big, on the big touchdown, he was in the slot that's. Joey Porter Jr wasn't even on him on that. Um, that wasn't on. Joey put a junior on that one. They played zone. It's all good. It's only a seven yard gain. Who has he on the side of JPJ that?
Speaker 1:was stopped by him. Okay, here's the thing. Two things can be true, and in this game I've been watching this Play-by-play, by the way Our entire drive down the field.
Speaker 2:That was a big catch on the sideline.
Speaker 1:Our entire drive down the field. Tee Higgins and Joey Perugino were on the entire game. Just so you know he was guarding Tee the entire game.
Speaker 2:No, but I just watched every catch that he had. It wasn't all, so the production that you're talking about was not all on him. I just watched every target and catch Joey.
Speaker 1:Porter Jr was on Tee Higgins the entire game. I'm watching it and the touchdown was on Joey Portagini.
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't. He was in the slot. Joey Portagini wasn't even playing against him.
Speaker 1:Now I can say Joey Portagini did have a good breakup against T Higgins Right here. Good breakup.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the touchdown pass catch he had.
Speaker 1:It was a flag like a motherfucker but a good breakup Was there a flag like a motherfucker, but a good breaker.
Speaker 2:Was there a flag there? I didn't see a flag. There should have been. There was no flag. I didn't see a flag.
Speaker 1:He's on his back Bro.
Speaker 2:that was a total stop. He's on his back. That's a great play.
Speaker 1:He's on Javante, he's on his back the game's back.
Speaker 2:That was a great play.
Speaker 1:Joe, be for real, bro. You're pissing me off.
Speaker 2:I watched that.
Speaker 1:play You're pissing me off.
Speaker 2:He wasn't on his back at all. Dude, he's on his back. I'm watching it big screen right now and you're wrong. He's on his back. He wasn't on his back. He had one hand on him.
Speaker 1:Dude, he's around.
Speaker 2:All right, dude, he's a round. Alright, whatever I'm done, End the podcast. I want to go home. See when I was trying to end the podcast before you wanted to try to prove a point, but now you're done. I did prove a point he guarded me against the entire game.
Speaker 1:He was at 140.
Speaker 2:He wasn't guarding him the whole time. I watched every catch that he had.
Speaker 1:I just watched every fucking highlight play.
Speaker 2:So did I.
Speaker 1:He wasn't on him on the replay on that yes, he was. Stop capping Whatever dude 140 on his fucking head.
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