JB's Sports Podcast
Gaming Detours, Major Trades, and Sports Debates: A Rollercoaster Episode
Have you ever tried to juggle a solo podcast and got completely sidetracked by a video game? Well, that's exactly what happened when I tried to go solo but ended up lost in the Elden Ring DLC! Join us as we laugh about Jace's recent travels, my gaming detour, and our younger brother's impressive journey in baseball, specifically his efforts to nail that elusive change-up. We also take a moment to share how I meticulously visualize and plan actions in real-time, unlike our brother's more straightforward style. To kick things up a notch, we transition to the NFL, preparing for the training camp and giving a massive shoutout to Boston’s spectacular season, all thanks to our buddy Jake.
Ever wondered how a massive NBA trade shakes things up? The New York Knicks' acquisition of Mikael Bridges from the Brooklyn Nets is our hot topic. We dig into how Bridges' all-round skills and bond with former Villanova teammates might just make the Knicks Eastern Conference contenders. And let's not forget the hefty trade package the Knicks gave up or the impact of Bridges' contract. Shifting gears, we dissect the MLB dynamics involving teams like the Cardinals, Royals, and Rays, and debate the Chicago Bulls' controversial decision to trade Alex Caruso for Josh Giddey. The ramifications for the Bulls, especially with Lonzo Ball's uncertain knee issues, make for a gripping discussion.
As we wrap up, we can't resist gossiping about Joe Burrow's Vogue modeling stint and the buzz around Bronny James' NBA draft. We also get into a hearty debate on the best NFL tight ends and safeties, analyzing their strengths, weaknesses, and potential. From George Kittle to Evan Ingram, our spirited ranking session will keep you on the edge of your seat. So, tune in for a rollercoaster of sports updates, personal anecdotes, and intense debates that make this episode an absolute must-listen!
Have you ever tried to juggle a solo podcast and got completely sidetracked by a video game? Well, that's exactly what happened when I tried to go solo but ended up lost in the Elden Ring DLC! Join us as we laugh about Jace's recent travels, my gaming detour, and our younger brother's impressive journey in baseball, specifically his efforts to nail that elusive change-up. We also take a moment to share how I meticulously visualize and plan actions in real-time, unlike our brother's more straightforward style. To kick things up a notch, we transition to the NFL, preparing for the training camp and giving a massive shoutout to Boston’s spectacular season, all thanks to our buddy Jake.
Ever wondered how a massive NBA trade shakes things up? The New York Knicks' acquisition of Mikael Bridges from the Brooklyn Nets is our hot topic. We dig into how Bridges' all-round skills and bond with former Villanova teammates might just make the Knicks Eastern Conference contenders. And let's not forget the hefty trade package the Knicks gave up or the impact of Bridges' contract. Shifting gears, we dissect the MLB dynamics involving teams like the Cardinals, Royals, and Rays, and debate the Chicago Bulls' controversial decision to trade Alex Caruso for Josh Giddey. The ramifications for the Bulls, especially with Lonzo Ball's uncertain knee issues, make for a gripping discussion.
As we wrap up, we can't resist gossiping about Joe Burrow's Vogue modeling stint and the buzz around Bronny James' NBA draft. We also get into a hearty debate on the best NFL tight ends and safeties, analyzing their strengths, weaknesses, and potential. From George Kittle to Evan Ingram, our spirited ranking session will keep you on the edge of your seat. So, tune in for a rollercoaster of sports updates, personal anecdotes, and intense debates that make this episode an absolute must-listen!
Welcome back to the episode's podcast. It's 12 23. I had it guys.
Speaker 2:No, no jace has won it. Oh well, it's been a little bit. It's been about 12, 13 days now since we last podcasted. Last time we podcasted with poor jace's trip, I said I was gonna do a solo podcast, but about that I got distracted. This time, um, because the elder ring dlc came out and it took over my freaking life.
Speaker 2:It still is. I still have like five to six main bosses left to deal with, but that's like taking over any free time I've had outside of work and baseball for our younger brother. That has been what I've been really focusing on Our younger brother's elite, by the way. Elite's a really crazy word. Is he the best?
Speaker 1:pitcher on both his teams. Yeah, he plays on two, by the way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's because one of the teams is totally awful and the other team. He is the best pitcher.
Speaker 1:True, but again His coaches are idiots. How long has he been pitching for?
Speaker 2:Four years.
Speaker 1:No, bro, he's on three.
Speaker 2:He's working on it for four years but he's only been a real little shit, I know.
Speaker 1:but this motherfucker's good in three he's good yeah. And he learns pitches fast. He don't know which one he's throwing, but he knows them. We were on that change-up the other day, was it good?
Speaker 2:Not, he's struggling on getting the movement down, like he saw a Trevor Bauer video of him doing it and he's like doing what?
Speaker 1:Trevor Bauer did and I'm like that's like the hardest fucking changeup to copy.
Speaker 2:It honestly ain't that bad, because I was able to do it in five minutes. True, but, and that was making Braylon Magner a throwing because I was like I was just doing changeups along with him. So I'm like, oh, let me help him out, I'll struggle with you.
Speaker 1:And then I was getting the movement.
Speaker 2:I wanted and he was like no, but you're, how is that the case? I'm the pitcher here. I'm like it's just, you gotta see it. I I think sometimes with him he doesn't like, um, he doesn't see envision what he's looking for, like jc, like when you see, when you like about to do things right, can you like imagine them, can you like put yourself in that moment? You like, you really like not envision, but like almost like, talk it, talk it into existence, like how you want to do it, and like, oh, this is going to happen next all right for legal reasons.
Speaker 1:This is all jokes. I didn't say this on podcast. When I'm driving um, uh, allegedly I drive pretty fast. I can't confirm or deny that.
Speaker 1:Um, when I'm driving, I can envision how I want to go through a lane and I can envision where I want to go and a lane, uh-huh, and I can envision where I want to go, uh-huh, and I have to put myself in that space and how much space I will truly need, based on the size of my car. I know exactly how big my car is and the length of my car. My car is. It is 11 feet from front to back it's like 11 feet, like 0.38 inches. I know exactly how big my car is, um, because we go through a lane. You know how much gap you're having. You need to know how fast the car in front of you, behind you, the one next to you, and how fast that one's going compared to the one next to it. So I have to envision where I'm going to go and see the path as I'm coming up to it, so I can commit to it Allegedly. Now, those are life and death situations.
Speaker 2:That was the strongest allegedly, from what I've seen of like this is how Squeeze Benz explained it Allegedly.
Speaker 1:I didn't see this personally and I don't do this personally, but if I did, that's how I would do it. I put myself in the mindset of what exactly I have to do, how exactly I'm supposed to do it, how the movement should feel, and then I enact it. Our younger brother does not do that. He is streamlined. You say it, show it. Either he does it the first time or he doesn't. When he doesn't do it the first time, then you have a problem, because then you have to work at it more. Yeah, and it frustrates him when he doesn't get it.
Speaker 2:Even though I think he did that well with the curveball. I feel like the curveball didn't come to him very easily early, but he kept seeing it and that's what he wanted to do and he just kept working at it. But I feel like sometimes, if you can kind of put yourself in that moment, it's almost like you fake it until you make it type of like that type Not necessarily like trying to fake it, like but if you do it enough times, you're eventually going to get the outcome that you want and I feel like sometimes being able to envision that is like the final little piece to make things come a little bit easier. But yeah, back to what we were saying. I was supposed to podcast by myself early on last week, didn't do so. I was playing Elden Ring and now we are here.
Speaker 2:Jace is back. We're talking sports. Plenty of things have happened, plenty of things to talk about. We're doing some position rankings for NFL. Today. It's our start for going to the rest, like our, our race to training camp and getting to the nfl and comfortable seasons. All right. So you ready to go?
Speaker 2:talk about the first thing here. I think since we've last podcasted um, this thing did happen. I have to give uh, our boy jake, some love here I gave him a hug, I gave saw him today, I bent the knee.
Speaker 2:I bent the knee for him. Boston finished their season of excellence. They were the number one team all season. They had the best record. They did what they were supposed to do from start to finish, and they finished it off with the championship, beating the Mavs in a gentleman's sweep 4-1.
Speaker 2:Again, I don't know. I didn't believe in them until the very end. Obviously, I picked the Mavs. I was believing in the Luka and Kyrie dominance of what they are as great players. But I think the Celtics throughout this whole season has proven, even if they don't have a bona fide all-time great player on their team and neither Jason Tatum or Jalen Brown, but they, I think, have proven that having a full team of guys that know their roles and that play them to perfection and have a their coach have to give a little bit of credit here. He did a good job of having a good system for them all to fit in. I feel like they had the perfect concoction around their two guys, even if they're not bona fide superstar talents that are going to be all-time great players. They proved that they were going to. They were that's able, that's enough to win a championship and they did that against a Luka Doncic who is looked at as a top five player in basketball, kyrie Irving, who was easily considered a top 10 player in basketball, and especially how he was playing in the playoffs up until that series, he was proving like why everybody looks at him the way they look at him, and it came down to that.
Speaker 2:That playing each other Boston came out played well off. Like you know, it's funny. They had not Boston. This is a crazy stat. They're those five games that they played. Boston never had five games of scoring less points than they did in that in that series. So during any five game stretch this season, boston has always scored more points. This is their lowest points they've scored in a five game, five games stretch, and they were beating Dallas into a bloody pulp. So it's not only so, it's not necessarily all about offense. They obviously, yes, they shot a lot of threes, but again, what they did work because they played great defense. They had a lot of shooters, everybody knows their role and Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown won the MVP.
Speaker 2:By the way um, not Jason Tatum on this, which is funny because some people were making the case that Tatum should have won the MVP, but I feel like Jalen Brown played better when the series really mattered, like when in that first game where it was pretty close, jalen Brown hit the big shot. Like it felt like there was. Jalen Brown was like there throughout most of the series While Jason Tatum at the end of the end of the series he he averaged 30 points he'd had. He had really good games. He played well throughout the whole series but it wasn't like a dominant type of thing and he had to give to somebody. So jalen brown got it. So all the credit to boston. They finished the job start to finish. I can't like people are asking if they are like a favorite for next year. Again, my first thought is I want to say no, but like I have to respect them now, they won the chip.
Speaker 1:I have to say yes, but my first thought is no.
Speaker 2:Like I listened to this one podcaster. He says how unserious the Boston Celtics are Like as a basketball team, right, and I'm like I kind of get that like as a basketball team, right, and I'm like I kind of get that like the fact they almost lost three games to the indiana pacers is wild with the way that this team went. Like they, their lows look so low but then they have highs that look as high as what they did in the finals. And I'm sitting there like how can there be such a huge variance in of outcomes for that, for such a team? Because when you have the lebrron teams that were winning a championship, you could tell when they turned it on they did not have low blows like lows, like that right.
Speaker 2:Boston just felt like when they weren't on things can go terrible. Even that one game they lost, dallas beat them by 40 points. The lows are really low. The lows are really low but the highs are just so high. So, like the amount of variance that this boston team had throughout this whole season was insane.
Speaker 2:But again, going into next year, favorites they have to be because they won the chip. But I would I put money on it. I don't think so. But again, what other east, what other team in the east is going to be able to challenge them next year? Like Milwaukee, they're old and they have to really change their whole team. You have freaking Sixers, maybe. Who knows if Joel Obeid's going to be healthy again. Like he got hurt at the end of the season and that kind of ruined their whole playoff run. So who knows if that's going to be the case.
Speaker 2:You got the Knicks that are making big moves. We'll talk about them in a second. Maybe the knicks are trying to take that next big step into being potentially a contender for the for the celtics in the east going into next season. Like I'm not seeing a whole lot of like teams that are ready to go and make make a big run towards taking the boston celtics out of that top spot in the east. The west is obviously where all the harder teams are, so Boston. Maybe this is their start to having a mini dynasty here. I doubt it, but I have to give them at least that chance, because they are the defending champs now. But we always spoke of the Knicks a little bit. But the Knicks are making some moves. They traded for Mikael Bridges let me make sure I get this trade right here so they traded for Mikael.
Speaker 1:Bridges from the uh New Jersey not New Jersey, brooklyn.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I went back a little too far for what they are. They just made the Villanova team yeah, like, like all those players Played together in Villanova Jalen Brunson, mikael Bridges, divincenzo Josh Hart, josh Hart, they all played with Villanova All played with Villanova.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But Mikael Bridges, I don't think it's necessarily just about that. No, he can score, he can defend, he fits perfectly in what they need.
Speaker 1:He scores, he defends and he's never fucking injured. He's never injured. He played every single game last season. He has played every single game since he's been in the NBA, oh there you go.
Speaker 1:There was one season where he missed three games. It was Brunson. He was like I don't know how Mikael plays as many games every year. Mikael was like you need more cardio. It was on Twitter. I was like what happened? You could see his face drop and his brain was like, damn, I just got traded and he showed him and brunson goes oh shit they. He was like they got mckell and he runs over to his security. Oh it was.
Speaker 1:It was hilarious sorry, jaylen brunson's like a nice guy off of the court too. New York fans would like him. There was a video I saw that if the Knicks were to have won the playoffs, won the NBA Finals this year, that New York would have burned down.
Speaker 2:Knicks arena would have exploded when that last buzzer went off?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, no question, Because Knicks fans would have been when that last buzzer went off.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no question Because.
Speaker 1:Knicks fans would have been like we should have got a championship five years ago.
Speaker 2:It's not wrong. No, it is not wrong.
Speaker 2:But no, so for what the trade package was. So they had to trade Bogdanovich six first round picks and a 20-25 second-round pick. That's what the Knicks had to give up to get Mikkel Bridges, which is more than what the Suns gave up for Kevin Durant, which is more than what was the other big trade, what they also had to get for Bradley Beal no, not Bradley Beal, that wasn't a lot. All they had to give up was Chris Paul. It was another trade, too, that there was more of. But like the James Harden James Harden they had to get. Like they gave up a lot more than because of Brooklyn, because of the contract.
Speaker 2:Right, mchale Bridges is only getting like $48 million over the next two years, so like he's not necessarily guaranteed a whole bunch of money. So, like a player of his stature getting paid the amount he is, he's definitely being underpaid as of right now. So, like I, so the idea that his contract is worth so much more because of how low he's getting paid for the player that he is, which is what makes him so much more valuable as a, as a piece, and then the next team right last year in the playoffs. What did they need the most? They need another guy to be able to score the basketball by himself, doesn't necessarily need to be set up by Jalen Brunson and will allow him, jalen, to not have to run the whole offense and really put everybody in perfect spots all the time.
Speaker 2:So having another guy like Mikael Bridges, who can also take some of that offensive load out of off of his back, that'll help Jalen Brunson be able to last throughout games a lot better and then also in in the final moments, teams won't be able to key in on you and just say, hey, we're gonna make sure he doesn't do it. Now you have another dude you have to worry about defensively. So this mccall bridges trade is a perfect like for the guys they were talking about potentially getting before this. They were talking about getting potentially a kevin durant. They were were talking about getting a Paul George. But you know what's funny? I'm not going to say you're going to get all that same production, but it's for less of the price.
Speaker 1:Mikael Bridges is really good.
Speaker 2:Kevin Durant's, not twice the player Mikael Bridges is.
Speaker 1:That's what you're going to be paying him, if that were to have happened no-transcript no question he's been on losing teams, he's been on terrible teams terrible, uh, and you look at mikhail bridges he continues to get better yeah, no question he what he was scoring? Like 23 a game this year, yeah, and then he was getting blocks, he was getting steals, getting rebounds. He does everything else. All-around player and if you make it to where, hey, you can go score more, he's going to start getting into that superstar range. And then you already have. Devin Chendon was amazing last year. Josh Hart was amazing last year.
Speaker 2:Now you have four guys that gel well together already.
Speaker 1:Yep last year. Now you have four guys that gel well together already yep, and they already have chemistry. You don't have to start from zero.
Speaker 2:You just continue building what you have exactly, and then they give a bunch of players to do so like they. All they give was picks and they have so, like they give up, a lot of picks. Six first round picks is freaking insane it is insane for one dude it is insane for that one dude right but the but this is the idea that this will elevate what you had, because the Knicks' problem during the playoffs isn't that they were playing bad, it's that they were hurt, right.
Speaker 1:And now you have a guy that, hey, you don't give a shit.
Speaker 2:Jalen Brunson can take a couple nights off.
Speaker 1:Jalen Brunson can take nights off.
Speaker 2:He can play, but he doesn't necessarily have to be 100% of what the offense is built off of, because by the end of their last series it was Brunson on the court by himself Because Hart was hurt the game before. I think Brunson broke his finger in one of those games.
Speaker 1:But he still played.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But Hart was hurt the game before DiVincenzo was hurt, that same game and.
Speaker 2:Brunson.
Speaker 1:Oh, gianninovi was hurt throughout that whole, the whole time, and he was. It was Bronson on the floor by himself, and they're still within 10. Right, that was wild. They're still within 10 and he's out. He's by himself, by himself. I don't know if he's on the motherfuckers on the court, jalen Bronson really played his way into potentially superstar fact like stardom in the NBA.
Speaker 2:So like now that you can to that team that'll be able to help him take the load off, will only help him throughout the whole regular season as well as in the playoffs. Not to mention, they signed OG and Inobi. They signed them to a five-year deal, so now they have their defensive threes and D guy OG and Inobi is one of the elite three and D guys in the NBA.
Speaker 1:Yo, his defense is fucking amazing.
Speaker 2:And as long as he, can come back this season, he'll be a lot more healthy than when they traded for him last year and he rarely played. So if he can just be healthy, he'll be more than worth the contract they're giving him. And I feel like when we just talk about the fact that there's nobody else really in the East that's really ready to go other than the Celtics, I feel like the Knicks saw their opportunity.
Speaker 2:They're like, hey, this might be the time, there's no other time than now, and like they have the team for it, they just need a specific piece and they're trying to do so. They won't have a lot of flexibility because this whole thing with the cap like they changed the cba to where teams that are like go above, like the luxury cap, like the cap in the um nba they make it untenable for you to make any moves to like really move around and like go trade for somebody and stuff like that. So like the fact that they can get a guy for so cheap and that gives them a little bit of wiggle room is the best. Like that help, it helps. So this next team is going to be able to want to make a very big jump going in.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I still look at MLB and NBA contracts and I'm like these are fucking insane. Oh, it is but again.
Speaker 2:But you know it's funny is out. The nba has made it to where teams are now paying a price for giving out those crazy contracts now, but I still wait.
Speaker 1:It will be. There is no I still say you're good to go. I look at justin jefferson is only making as much as jordan pool, yeah, yeah, and my brain goes hmm, justin Jefferson's the best wide receiver in the NFL. Jordan Poole sucks ass. What the fuck is happening Exactly?
Speaker 2:Am I tweaking or some shit? Well, that's going to happen less and less now with all these cap constrictions and all that. It's going to make teams not throw money around like this, like the idea that you cannot pay two more than two max contracts on the team anymore and be able to move like have a good team around you and I think we're going back because of what the nba did to kind of lessen these things there. There's not gonna be no three max like three superstar players on a team, no more. Like these whole big three era is over with, like it's done, dunzo one, potentially two superstars on a team, and then you're barely getting around the margins trying to get other players to fill out a roster. Go ask the suns how that worked. They have three big, three big contracts on their team and guess what nobody.
Speaker 2:They have nobodies on around them, so they have to make it fit and hope those players can make it big, like play big in big moments, and if they don't have that, then you're only relying on those three saying, hey, y'all three have to score 100 points by yourselves tonight, because we're getting nothing from our bench 33 each so like that.
Speaker 2:That is what you're dealing with. But now you're gonna have teams more and more only doing a one superstar model or two and saying, hey, we're going to have to build around it with our draft, with young guys, with guys that have lower contracts, and that's going to be how the NBA is going to go. Anyway, the MLB they don't have such downsides. As long as you're willing to pay the fee for going over the cap, they don't care. They're like hey, go ahead and do as much as you want, spend as much money as you want, but just make sure that money comes through when you're ready to ask for it. Make sure that money here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:That's it.
Speaker 1:Like there is no I know, but the MLB be coming at them like they're fucking mobsters.
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 1:Once that cap hits, the cap hit Because it hits on one day and they have to be paid that day. That luxury tax they will come at you like a fucking debt collector, like hey give me your shit.
Speaker 2:It's time to pay.
Speaker 1:I think it was one year the Mets didn't pay up in time and they fined the fuck out of the Mets until they paid up. That's how it goes. But again, mlb, don't give a fuck, mlb owners are crazy people.
Speaker 2:No, they don't care. And I think the NBA is doing this to try to have more parity in their league. Guess what the MLB looks at when they look at their teams are like we want the Yankees and the Dodgers to be the best team player, best teams in baseball. We'd love to see them every year. So, like the NBA is trying to build a little more parity throughout their whole league, which is why all these rules have been coming in and they want less, less holdouts, less uh players resting on on game nights, like they're looking to try to even out their league you know it's funny.
Speaker 1:It's that's funny because I feel like if I was going to up to like regular sports fans, I feel like they could name more nba teams and nfl teams because there's so much more parity compared to mob teams. They'll get to the big ones and then they'll be like, uh, you'll probably hear Boston, new York, the Dodgers, and then they'll probably pause and then go, uh, oh, the Mets, they'll get all the big market teams and they're like, alright, they'll probably give you about six, what's the rest? And then they're like, all right, they'll probably give you about six, what's the rest? And then they're just going to stare at you there's more? Oh sure, like the twins. I kid you not. I forget that team fucking exists.
Speaker 2:I do sometimes Because that team's ass, hot ass.
Speaker 1:I know the.
Speaker 2:Angels exist, but I don't know the the Angels exist, because I don't know if Mike Trout exists.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and so Hale Tani was on that team at one point, and once he stops playing, the Angels will no longer exist again. Exactamundo, you have the big teams, the historic franchises and everybody else. You know what team is old as fuck, but no one cares about the Cardinals. Old as shit, st Louis.
Speaker 2:Well, St Louis was known as the Ravens of the MLB for a long time because they would just win championships all the time, especially in the 2010s. They won a couple championships at that point, but again, it's just you know.
Speaker 1:I know, but there's who won the World Series in 2011?.
Speaker 2:The games was 09. I totally forget, it was the.
Speaker 1:Royals.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I can't even name a fucking player in the Royals.
Speaker 2:True.
Speaker 1:Like not a one. The Royals have done jack shit since 2011. You know why? Because they get their ass kicked by everybody else. Yeah, Because the Royals, they're Kansas. Their market's not big enough. These teams in big markets in the MLB, they can keep paying.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:We got the bread. The Yankees legit could lose 70 games and they'd still fill the stands. They'd get booed while doing it but yeah, they can still fill it.
Speaker 1:The fans will pay an extra $300 to be in the front row to boo you Come boo yeah, then you have Tampa Bay, who was in a fucking World Series a couple days, a couple, like two years ago. During their World Series game they couldn't fill the stands. Yep, their stands were mostly empty. This is we're talking, this is game fucking seven. They won the World Series in this game and they only had like 15,000 fans in there, because no one gives a fuck.
Speaker 1:You're not even the best sports team in your state, because no one gives a fuck. You're not even the best sports team in your state, like it's. There are some teams that have the trouble of hey, you're not the number one sports team, like the Royals is definitely one of them. Of hey, you're not Kansas City, true, you're not the Chiefs, so meh. And then LA is so mucked up with other teams that no one fucking knows what fans they are. One year you're a Lakers fan, the next game you're a Clippers fan, and they're back-to-back games. So it's like, I don't know, maybe because we're in such a small market. Personally, I'm in a small market. Cincinnati is not a big market.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you still's two NFL teams to pick from.
Speaker 1:True One of them.
Speaker 2:Technically three, because Steelers fans are abundant in Ohio as well.
Speaker 1:They're more abundant than Bengals fans. Once you go to Kentucky, yeah, you got them, but Kentucky don't have an NFL team.
Speaker 2:They don't.
Speaker 1:So straight Bengals fans.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're not wrong. Speaking of fandom, our Bulls, they made a move.
Speaker 1:They made a dumbass decision.
Speaker 2:I think I was more. I think you were more positive about it than I was at the beginning.
Speaker 1:No, I was negative about it because it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:Let me say the trade first, before we really get into it. The Bulls traded Josh Giddey, traded for Josh Giddey from the Oklahoma City Thunder and gave up.
Speaker 1:Alex Caruso, that girl's a minor.
Speaker 2:Hey, here's what it is.
Speaker 1:Alex Caruso, you sound like a Browns fan.
Speaker 2:It was a one-for-one trade, no picks involved At first. It makes me think, hey, josh giddy, dude, he's 21 years old, consider one of the bright, one of the brighter young stars in the league, and why are you giving him to me for alex crusoe, who's 20, like crowd, like alex crusoe's, and is like over 30 now he's a little bit older, he's a 3nd guy, he's an amazing 3nd guy, like he's a perfect role player and it just. Why would you give up? Why is it just a one for one thing? No, I gave up any picks, anything like that. So it in my mind it makes me think, hey, what's wrong with Josh Giddy? But I saw it. I saw him while he was at OKC. He got played to where he wasn't even a starter anymore because he wasn't fitting next to Shea. And what is it? The Jalens.
Speaker 1:Shea Cech Holmgren Luthor. He didn't fit in the system.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He needs the ball in his hands to be able to do anything.
Speaker 2:And exactly. And when it's ball in his hands, guess what he doesn't do? He doesn't shoot threes. So if you were going to be a guy that has to have the ball in your hand at all times and you don't shoot threes, then the defense doesn't have as much to worry about because you're not going to stand from beyond the arc and try to make a shot. And it wasn't even just the fact that he's bad at it. It's kind of like a Ben Simmons situation, to where he doesn't really want to shoot it, let alone try to miss it. So, like, with that whole thing, it's going to be a problem, but I get. So here, the, here, the pros. Why I think it was a good like, why I can see why the bulls thought it was a good idea. Okay, first off, I think they're making a bet that lonzo ball is never playing basketball again he's not after all the knee injuries.
Speaker 2:It's been a big problem for him multiple knee surgeries and all that recoveries. I can get why they they are skeptical about him coming back and be able to play good basketball for them. So that's at that point. They don't have a point guard that can distribute the ball and get to everybody else like. I can see why they're going to place a bet on josh giddy, because if he hits, then that all they gave up was alex caruso, one of the better 3nd guys. But if he doesn't hit, then it's just. You know, alex Caruso one of the better 3 and D guys. But if he doesn't hit, then it's just.
Speaker 2:You know, alex Caruso's like only had two years left in his contract. He wants to be on a winning situation. I don't think the Bulls are really going to be able to give that to him. So I do feel like, with Josh Giddey, to get a tab at younger Again, I feel like they still have some older pieces still. They still have Zach Levine, they still have DeMar DeRozan and I feel like if you're going to have Josh Giddey on the team, what does that do? For I just said his name Zach Levine.
Speaker 1:What does?
Speaker 2:that do for Zach Levine, because Zach Levine, when he's healthy and out on the floor, which isn't all that often he wants to at the same time. It doesn't make sense to me unless I even talk about the fact for demar de rosen, he's another guy that doesn't shoot threes, so it doesn't really help with the spacing while you're on the floor at all. So I just I'm not sure if the bulls are going to take this down to the studs and try to go suck for cooper flag, or are they still trying to hedge their bets a little bit and try to stay in the middle on the fence and be like, oh, we're not sure if we're going to do anything with this team or not. Are we going to go for the playoffs or are you just going to suck and be bad for a year trying to go get Cooper Flagg? I just don't know what the direction is.
Speaker 2:I do feel like they're going to be making more moves if they are going in the direction of just tearing it down to the studs. But those contracts are so expensive right now, with the marta rosen, with zach levine, I just don't know how they're going to be able to convince a team to give up good draft capital in order to get them, let alone players that'll be able to help you back from those teams. I just so. With all that being the case, I think the Bulls are going to have to make more moves for me to understand what their direction is going to be, because once they do that, I feel like I can make a more complete grade as to how I feel about it in the first place.
Speaker 2:And I just think, until they get that figured out, I just don't know where this team is going to go when it comes to being on the basketball court, because you still have to field a team, you still want the fans to come and buy tickets to watch you play, so you have to be able to have a good showing from your players out there. And I do feel like, with all the downside, josh does give you with not being able to shoot and all that, and he's not necessarily crazy athletic, but he can pass very, he's a very special passer of the basketball and he can potentially help his own shot like it's, so that I can see why they're taking the bet on the potential of a guy at this stature, especially when it only took alex grueso to trade in order to get. Get them in that and I'll screw, so I can go try to be happy somewhere else.
Speaker 1:Get paid and try to win. Try to win.
Speaker 2:I know, but I I think it could be better, with a couple other things happening, to give us an idea of what they're trying to do. Because if they just sit on this team right now with the way it's constituted, I just don't know how that works out. I just don't. It's just it's, it's insane. But, uh, this Bulls team just loves to make loves to keep everybody on their toes, uh, by not really give it having a clear vision as to what they'd like to do. All right, uh.
Speaker 2:Next thing uh, lakers not only hire head coach JJ Redick to be their guy, former podcast host slash, he was the announcer for the finals throughout that whole thing. So he, at 40 years old, is going to be the coach for the Lakers. And then, on top of that, the Lakers then draft. What is his name here? Well, not just Bronny, I was thinking about the first round pick that they used Dalton Connect, k-n-e-c-h-t. His last name is Connect and he was looked at as one of the better three-point shooters in this draft, which is very good for them, because that is one thing the Lakers lack. They did not shoot the ball at all from three. They barely shot it, and then, when they were shooting it. They didn't really work out all that well outside of LeBron, because he's the only potentially consistent three-point shooter on their team.
Speaker 1:Why didn't they pick up the guy from the Golden Bears?
Speaker 2:Who was that?
Speaker 1:The white dude that legit just went out. He only missed two, threes all year.
Speaker 2:I am not sure, but I think— you don't remember Is that dude smaller though?
Speaker 1:No, do you remember that game?
Speaker 2:I feel like I remember watching it, though the.
Speaker 1:Golden Bears where they were legit. Yes, they beat a bunch like two top five seeds.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And that dude went out there and just shot the lights out. Yes, you know what OKC sucks ass at Shooting threes. You know what OKC picked up the dude that only shoots fucking threes huge fucking threes, you mean? The Lakers, no, okc picked him up, which is why I was confused why the Lakers didn't pick him up, because all he does is throw the motherfucker out there and he's going to shoot. Hey, it's just. He's not the physical athlete you want, right? You know what he doesn't need to be, because he's a shooter.
Speaker 2:That's how that works. And then Bronny James that's how that works. And then brownie james uh, he was picked the 55th overall pick, and all people can talk about now that what happened yesterday or technically before, with it being after midnight, so the only thing they talked about is nepotism. And is he worth the draft pick that he got? I don't even know if I want to go that far.
Speaker 2:My only gripe about all this is does it help brawny get to what his dream is? Is his dream to be a good nba player that can make money in the league? Because if that is his dream, I don't think all of this helps him at all. I felt like with him only averaging five points a game throughout his season at usc that was after him getting cardiac arrest, having some heart complications and all that In the preseason got it fixed, came back, played the games he did, and he wasn't necessarily the guy that everybody thought he was going to be.
Speaker 2:But him going out throughout this whole draft process and him having to say, hey, I'm not focused on being drafted by the Lakers and being with my dad, I just want to get drafted by somebody, to be able to go out there and work and prove that I'm here to do so. But like, at the same time you have rich paul on the night of the draft, pretty much saying, hey, if you pick up brawny james, he's gonna go play in australia. So like I just don't like the this trying to be sneaky about it, like trying to like act as if that's not happening, when everybody and their mama knows what's going on in this whole situation.
Speaker 1:My thing was is that it feels like lebron's trying to add more to his legacy. I've always the first father son to do this. I was a part of the first father son. Do it, do it, do this, this, this, this and this. And my next thing is that I think this only hurts brown, because now you're constantly in your father's shadow, night in, night out. You're always in his shadow. Yeah, and it'd be easier to be in his shadow if you were across the coast.
Speaker 2:Right or in Phoenix, Like stay away.
Speaker 1:Or you're on a team that can develop. You Like what, if you're on the fucking Spurs, then you have a coach that can develop, you have a team that they know how to develop players. And you can have some independence as a player. Yes, and you can play how you want to play. You can earn your draft spot. You can earn where you are. You can earn your minutes, because if I go out there, this motherfucker is starting.
Speaker 2:I will tweak the fuck out. Oh no, no, I don't think he's gonna start any game anytime soon.
Speaker 1:Good that's that best thing if he is.
Speaker 2:If I'm d'angelo russell, I'm tweaking well d'angelo russell could opt out of his contract and become a free agent, so like he's not guaranteed to come back as a laker at all. Good, so, all that being the case, I just I'm cool with him getting drafted. His father, lebron James, is one of the best players in the league. Still, he's 40 years old, he's put his time into the league and if he wants to help his son get his dream of being an NBA player, then cool. If you can make that happen, all the better for it. There's a lot of second-round draft picks that go nowhere and never work out. People like to say, oh, what about Jokic? He was a second-round pick, but I'm like that's few and far between, and a lot of teams throw away picks for a lot less. So the idea that his father was able to get him in a position where he feel like he can help progress him to go earn his spot in the league and be a player but I just think this is very boomer bust right.
Speaker 1:We are either looking at the next coming of christ, we're looking at the next fallen prospect and I also think just lebron put a lot of like unneeded pressure on his son.
Speaker 2:He's been talking about this forever. He's been saying, hey, my dream is to play with my son.
Speaker 1:He said that three or four years ago talking about talking about this since probably got in high school right.
Speaker 2:I'm like so the idea that he, now that he's gonna be like brawny's, gonna come into the team right and no matter how good, how good or bad the team looks at him and says, hey, we're gonna treat him like a normal player, but no matter what they do, everybody's gonna think he's getting preference treatment because of who his daddy is.
Speaker 2:And whoever team he faces, or in summer league, where he's definitely going to play a lot of minutes, all of them are going to look at hey, dude, you don't belong here and they're going to cook him to prove it. So I just feel like LeBron put a lot of unknown like unneeded pressure on his own son.
Speaker 1:I look at this like.
Speaker 2:At some point I feel like like at some point I feel like.
Speaker 1:I would look at Barney like, hey, is this really your dream? I think his dream was to get drafted. I think his dream to play basketball, I think his dream is to be his own player. Right, and I think at some point I, I think at some point it's getting messy. He's probably sat back like damn.
Speaker 2:I'm not following my dream yeah, but I also think that he wasn't going to get drafted like I feel like him following this this year was the fast track, but I felt like he could have taken the slow track and gone back to college and played one or two more seasons.
Speaker 1:I think he needed at least two more.
Speaker 2:Right To become a better player overall. He's a good three-point shooter right now, but even better defender be able to be more of a playmaker. He wanted the fast track to hear his game call get faster, get here faster.
Speaker 1:So then you give, give into the whole idea of like now they say his full name lebron james jr. No, he's a brony james, he's not called lebron no, he's called brony james.
Speaker 2:I watched the clip multiple times. Yeah, he's brought. He goes by brony, which I get, because he doesn't want to have like.
Speaker 2:Everybody calls him brony because he went to his dad early on and says hey, I want to have my own name, I don't want to have the mantle right, I want to make my own name and I'm like so in everything that brawny's ever been a part of, when he talks to the media and all that, which isn't a lot, because he didn't talk at all while he was at usc he always says the right things. People love him. His teammates love him. He's a great teammate. He does not act like a normal kid. That you, when you think about nepotism and just a kid getting a job because of his parent.
Speaker 2:That is not the mentality of somebody that you would think of when you think of nepotism those no like brawny is a good enough person in a player when not necessarily a player but he's a good team, enough teammate to where getting him over the edge a little bit from his father is a good thing, because he's going to understand the moment and he's going to work as hard as he can to get there. Whether it works out, whether he becomes a superstar in the NBA and we have a long career, who knows but I don't think it's going to go. He's just going to take this moment and sit back and not work for it and doesn't think he has to do the work. There is no chance that that is the case because I feel like.
Speaker 1:I think he has every tool to succeed.
Speaker 2:Every tool to succeed. I just think he may have been and he has the want to.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think he just should have played more competition on his level at the time. I'm not saying he's not ready. He can't play at NBA level.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 2:But I think playing at the college level is a good he could have played another one or two years at the college level is a good. He could have played another one or two years at the college level and got a lot more minutes being a starter, but now he's going to go be on the NBA team, traveling with the team, being on the end of the bench and not getting as much in-game type of play. It'll be mostly practice for him, so it's going to be different and I feel like he could have matured in a different way. That would have been more independent for him, but now he has to see his dad every day at work, while he's seeing his dad at almost 40 years old, go out there and play basketball and he has to sit on the bench because he's still learning in the development program. So I'm just like I get both sides of this whole thing. I feel good for LeBron, good for Bronny, because that is a good father and he was helping his son out to try to get his dream.
Speaker 1:you did everything you were supposed to as a father and you did everything you were supposed to as a basketball player. As being Bronny, you played your ass off. You showed the highlight players. You showed you could do everything. I just think you need to move more here. But if you feel like you can do better with different coaches because of course, NBA coaches and trainers can be better- oh yeah, and the Lakers are a great organization. They can develop players. They're really good at getting young talent ready.
Speaker 2:And they'll have his dad around the news on how to play good basketball, so like he has enough around him and he has the demeanor to do so. But also on the other side here I can understand why people are looking at nepotism. Be like, hey, like the idea that anybody because, because somebody has said this, don't black people deserve to be able to use some nepotism. Sometimes I'm like sitting there like that doesn't change. You look at all these white people using nepotism to get where they're supposed to go and you're mad about it because it's not you like.
Speaker 2:Nepotism shouldn't be anything at all. Yeah, because nepotism is like a thing where you don't deserve to be in the position that you're in. You get there. So like, don't consider it reparations that now black people get to have some nepotism because of it's a moment, because of this specific moment. Nepotism in its entirety is a bad thing. In its entirety is a bad thing because people that don't deserve to be in the spot they're getting these things. So like the idea that you like that, that argument that, hey, black people deserve to have it too, it does not gonna fly with me and for any rational thinking person I don't think is going to is going to work for them either, but it's just a very stupid argument to try to have black people do have nepotism well, in different ways, but like at the highest levels of you ever seen willow smith?
Speaker 1:you ever seen jayden smith?
Speaker 2:hey, yes now, that's true nepotism yeah, it happens, but it's bad in all of its cases. There is no, we should get some back and help our own out. No, that's not how that works. Nepotism is bad in every scenario. It shouldn't happen, uh, but it's just. It just sucks. If that's going to be the argument that some people are going to have I guess denzelzel Washington's son don't count, because Denzel Washington's son can't.
Speaker 1:Oh, his son can act, he's a freaking monster. So I don't think that counts.
Speaker 2:You know, what's funny is that I don't think I did not hear from that dude until he blew up on the scene. It was not like he was not like sitting there, like you know, being on all of the movies with Denzel on all of the movies with. Denzel. No, like he did the work and he did it on his own. His first big movie was on his own. It wasn't with Denzel.
Speaker 1:I know, but there was probably a lot behind the scenes of We'll go through lines here because from what I've heard, Denzel Washington, oh, he probably has great training Like obviously yes.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:But that's the opposite side of this is, I'm going to give you every tool to succeed, but you have to do it on your own once you leave, Because one real quick. If I wanted to be an actor and Denzel Washington was my dad, I'd be pissed Right. That is not the actor I want, Because Denzel Washington is the type of motherfucker no, that wasn't right. Yeah, Then let's do it again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, I'm standing in the living room. I'm like damn bro, it's three in the morning. He's like, oh, that's crazy. In that same way, I think being Bronny James With a guy like LeBron as your father.
Speaker 1:Like when it comes to the basketball. Lebron don't care, run it again. You missed Run of the game.
Speaker 2:That's not. That's not how that goes you. He is a basketball savant.
Speaker 1:Yes, he's the type of dude that is insane about basketball Right, he's the coach that makes kids hate basketball.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:I don't want to do this anymore. I'm not having fun. And he's the dad like, hey, you missed three free throws today. I need 300 before you leave this gym. He loves the game of basketball so much he started a podcast with JJ Redick of all people to just talk about little specific games of the, of the specific ideas in the game of basketball and break him down and that's just that's how much he cares about the game. I think you said this before.
Speaker 1:Lebron is most him when he's talking about basketball right he's the most human and most normal person when he's talking about basketball right? Uh, I think he he lives, breathes and eats basketball right, and he's gonna be one of those guys that retires and he's like what the fuck? What do I do now?
Speaker 2:I want to own a team now like that's that's literally his I need more basketball like obviously he has money in different businesses and all of that. Like that he'll never go broke but uh, who was it?
Speaker 1:gilbert gilbert arenas. He was like um, when I retired and the season came back around, my body would wake me up at 6 am, right, and he was like to go train. He was like but there's nothing to train for.
Speaker 2:Oh, I saw something like that too, because he was talking about the fact that, hey, because I didn't have anything to do to fill out his day, because his— he would drive he would take a two-hour drive there and back to fill up his day so he can get the lunchtime.
Speaker 1:Yes, can get the lunchtime. Yes, like that's how we had something to do, right? He was like I would just drive my escalade. He was like, uh, nowhere in particular. He was like I'll just drive for hours he was just.
Speaker 2:He's just so regimented he didn't know how to live his life. Not around, not playing basketball.
Speaker 1:He was like it took me two years to figure it out, right, he was like. He was like because I he was like after basketball I still have money. He was like I still make money today. He's like. I own businesses, he's like, but it's such passive income that I don't have to do anything, so I just. He's like I couldn't just sit at home. He was like my body would ache because I'm doing nothing and that's just. I don't know it's wild.
Speaker 2:It's when you dedicate your life to something like that and then it's taken away from you and you just walk away from it and it makes me under.
Speaker 1:I didn't understand brady at first when he did it and he just left his family, yeah. But now I look at him and I'm like okay exactly you.
Speaker 1:You were the underdog your entire life and eventually you're now going out on the top. But in your head you're like I'm I didn't do enough. Right, I want to. I want to keep playing, let me keep proving. I'm still that good, yep. And everybody's like everybody probably looking like hey, you've done enough. It's okay to step back and retire, you can stop. And in his head he's like but I'm still the seventh round pick that needs to prove everything he has. And everybody's looking at you like you proved what you were. You proved you're the best. And I think LeBron's getting to a point where everybody's looking like hey, you proved you were the savior. You've proved you were one of the best he was like. Everybody looks at him like you are one A or you are one B. You are one of the two greatest players of all time. You can stop. But LeBron said I'm not done yet.
Speaker 1:I have more in me. Baseball players have that too. Justin Verlander he said it, I think, their last World Series I'll pitch until they forcefully take me off the mound. He was like I'll pitch until my arm falls off. He was like this is all I know. I love this, I love this sport and I want to keep playing. He was like I'll take minimal contracts if they'll let me pitch.
Speaker 2:That's the dedication to a sport that Insane. This is first.
Speaker 1:This is all I care about. This is what I love, let me keep doing it, please. Exactly, that's wild. And then I look at those guys like they deserve the money.
Speaker 2:Justin.
Speaker 1:Verlander has been paid a fuck ton of money over the last couple years. Uh, and I look at him like, yeah, you deserve every penny you deserve, you deserve it. And you're still that fucking good. Yep, you can't throw a fastball more than 90 miles an hour, but you're still that fucking good. All right, sorry, I went on a spiel there.
Speaker 2:Good no, it's all good, I like it. Uh. Next thing, uh, ncaa 25. They are making some headway, like you make a lot of news coming out in the last couple weeks, yeah.
Speaker 1:I've been seeing it.
Speaker 2:Running into their release of the game on July? What?
Speaker 1:is it 16th, 15th, if you buy the?
Speaker 2:pre-order.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you pre-order it, it'll be installed on the 15th. I kind of want a physical edition, is that just?
Speaker 2:me. I'm thinking that way too.
Speaker 1:But I want it now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as soon as humanly possible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want it downloaded and ready to go, so as soon as I can play it, I can play it, but that's a game. I want a physical copy of.
Speaker 2:I get it. No, it makes total sense. But speaking of the rankings that they've been coming out with, they have three different ones that are out as of right now. They have toughest to play, so toughest stadium to go play in as of as a visitor. They have the offensive and defensive power rankings.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I saw that one. So ranking each side of the football, which ones have the best stadium to play.
Speaker 2:I didn't see that one we'll talk about that, we'll talk about them all, and then, last but not least, they have a team power rankings For saying what the team ratings are going to be.
Speaker 1:I saw that one Going in to play the game. I saw the last three, not the first one.
Speaker 2:So let's just go in and let's talk about all of it. We'll start with the toughest places to play.
Speaker 1:Can I say number one yeah, go for it. Is it Penn State? Nope, is it Ohio?
Speaker 2:Nope, this one starts the madness here. What the fuck? What else is it? They have Kyle Field, texas A&M. That's their number one. How, how.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. I have heard NFL players be like, yeah, playing at Ohio State was terrible. He was like it was scary, or Penn State.
Speaker 2:Or LSU. Lsu's my automatic number one Because LSU they're crazy people. There are a lot of young, insane, rabid fans out there doing their thing and, not to mention, it's the South Football when they I hate the commercials they live, breathe and eat football. Football, that's it.
Speaker 1:Wasn't even now. That's where ranked teams go to die. Somebody said that on air. I think it was Kirk Herbstreet. It was. This was like Probably like 2016, 2017. Lsu was like Was 9-3 Yep and Kirk Herbstreet he was like I've seen this story before. He was like it was the number 2 or 3 overall. He was like this is where ranked teams go to die and LSU. To this day, People don't like going into LSU. To this day, people don't like going into LSU because it is scary. It's like fucking Purdue. Every year, they're going to take down one top five opponent for no fucking reason. Yeah, LSU would be a good number one.
Speaker 2:But yeah, kyle Field, texas A&M insane because, especially since their home record really isn't all that bad it's not necessarily bad, but it's not like, hey, you go into there, it's hard to go play there, it's hard to fly in Like it's a hard like they have good traditions but like when it comes to like them being the hardest stadium to go to, it's kind of insane. Number two Bryant-Denny Stadium in Alabama. Is Alabama's stadium hard to go play in or is it just the team that's hard to play? It's the team.
Speaker 2:It's the team. Because, guess what, when you hear Nick Saban every year, throughout, especially the good portion of the last little part of his career before he retired this past year, guess what it is? He would have to yell at his own fans to say, hey, you have to stay through the fourth quarter. And that was like a constant message every year when it, when his teams are about to play, is like hey, come to the game, stay through all of it, even though they knew they were about to win against whoever they were facing oh man, that's the osu fans, don't leave, exactly so y'all won't even turn off the fucking tv.
Speaker 1:And this shit pissed me off. You were playing fucking akron. I'm like, hey, bro, my game's on. You're like, yeah, but it's. We have like eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. I'm like I looked over at the fucking score. I'm like you're up by seven touchdowns, got to see all of them. And you were like, yeah, but I was like, joe, you've won, bro, let me watch my fucking game. You pissed me off that much I didn't watch the fucking game at all. Yeah, I don't think I talked for like two days. Yeah, and I told it to everybody. Everybody said it was valid and you know what you said I had to watch the rest of the game.
Speaker 2:I get it doesn't make sense, I do. I totally understand and I'm like I get it. What I said to you I was like you can just go downstairs.
Speaker 1:What I said to you. I was like you can just go downstairs. You're like, no, you go downstairs. I'm like fuck, no, my game just started.
Speaker 2:Joe, go downstairs. I was being irrational. I totally understand. But, y'all motherfuckers are crazy.
Speaker 1:Another fucking Akron game. I fucking hate Akron games. I was taken to one. My first college football game was an Akron game. It started pouring, fucking raining, and I was like 12 13 at a time. I had to force this motherfucker to go home. Where were the joe? And joe to hit me with the? Oh, we'll get to wait till the end of the third quarter. I'm like, bro, there's 10 minutes left, the third quarter just started. You're like, oh, it's fine, it's fine, it's not that way. I'm like I'm cold, I want to go home. Yeah, joe was pissed, he had to leave.
Speaker 2:He was pissed, he had to leave but yeah, alabama, like it's very well known that they're not a great stadium, like it's not a great atmosphere because they've had a bunch of winning so they really don't care. They have a bunch of championships they've already been dealing with and not to mention, like it's mention, they just have an older fan base. In general, that's not really going insane. It's a very well-known fact. Number three is LSU Tiger Stadium, which they should be definitely higher. I have them as my number one.
Speaker 1:Number four is Ohio State.
Speaker 2:I think Ohio State is in the top ten, but I feel like they're a little bit high Because even like no, we can especially in the big games we can go insane. No. But, like sometimes they do get a little like, they're a little respectful. They like have a little bit of older fan base they do. They try to be nice.
Speaker 1:But I think Columbus as a whole is hard to come in here it's crazy people Because we are one of those places. We don't have anything else besides Ohio State. I'm of a very small, small minority.
Speaker 2:Oh, there's a full buy-in. No question Of Michigan State fans, even Michigan fans.
Speaker 1:There's a good group of them, but not on game day for Ohio State. If it's a home game, them Muppets are not around. It is a scatter. If I was to wear Spartan gear at an Ohio State game, I'd be fully, well prepared to be jumped Fully. I'd be prepared to be jumped and I'm okay with that. No, columbus is hard to come into because this fucking state lives, breathes and eats. Ohio State football. Yep, I've seen grown-ass men cry over a loss for Ohio State. I was at work one day in the middle of the fucking store, this dude's bawling his fucking eyes out. It was Menards. When I worked at Menards I lost the organ and you had to take me to work and I thought we were going to die. I get there, this motherfucker's crying. I walk to the back to go clock in and he's crying. This is an older guy, he's probably like 45, 50. He's crying Tears. And this is before the Bengals got to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:I don't walk around with a motherfucker, so you had never felt that feeling before, so you're just like these idiots.
Speaker 1:This motherfucker's tweaking. What's the work? No, he was not tweaking. What's the work? No, he was not tweaking. I proceeded to cry two months later because the Bengals lost Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:No question.
Speaker 1:That's the thing.
Speaker 2:It was game one Y'all had so many more games left. That was game two.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter, y'all didn't lose another game. Yes, you did go to Michigan. Yeah, I'm not going to lie to you. I thought that was Joe's last night, I thought that was Joe's last night I thought it was my last night. Joe had like a thousand mile stare at the fucking ceiling and I was like, oh, we've cooked. I was like I better go, because was that the game where I said so how does this affect CJ Strauss?
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that was probably the biggest fight we've ever had in our lives. That was probably the biggest fight we have ever had.
Speaker 1:It's unfortunate because this is what I, joe thought it was malicious, but it was not malicious. This was a legitimate question posed at a bad fucking time. I'm talking like it was probably like I stood up from dinner. It was like three minutes after the loss. It just snapped out of his fucking stare and looked at me and I was like, oh fuck, and this is the one. I was surprised. I was like, bro, it was a legitimate question, my bad.
Speaker 2:At that point it was already over Joe's like I don't snap, I don't, I never snap.
Speaker 1:You were so mad. You were so mad you were stuttering and I was like my bad, it was an actual question, it was a thing we were talking about on podcast, my fault and I dropped the shit. Joe did not drop the shit. Joe was still mad at me the next two days. This motherfucker didn't say shit to me.
Speaker 2:He was pissed.
Speaker 1:And I kid you not, we didn't really talk about it until like three months later. And I sat back and I was like, bro, it was a legitimate question. I had no malicious intent behind that. There was nothing behind it. I was like it was. I was so serious Because we were talking about it on podcast and it was a podcast topic that was going to come up. That's all I wanted to say my fault.
Speaker 2:Dead red man, Dead red.
Speaker 1:I became a bull in the china shop and you have those moments are rare, and that was one of the moments where I was insensitive about what was happening because I didn't feel that yet right. And then I felt that, and now I understand.
Speaker 2:That was like, if I would have, you would have lost super bowl and I would have popped in like, oh, where do you think joe burrow? Like how do you think joe burrow's gonna be looked at after this? Like is, if I would have bought off of trying to say that after you'd lost your ball, I would have tweaked, you would have tweaked and now I understand.
Speaker 1:You understand now, that's the thing. You said it to me. You were like I would like to tell you to act like you've been here before. He was like, but you've never been here before.
Speaker 2:Well, that was after. I was mad at it for multiple days. I was able to come back with a little more perspective.
Speaker 1:I've never understood that. I've never been to a national championship. I went and cried.
Speaker 2:I got through it. After the days of being mad, I cried, I boohoo cried.
Speaker 1:It was bad. I did too after the bank was lost. I didn't go to school. I didn't go to school for two days.
Speaker 2:And we definitely didn't podcast about it, jason, was.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying you'll catch me dead before I podcast. To this day, I've never said anything about the Super Bowl. I never will.
Speaker 2:I got you a little bit, but you were like no, I want to get past this, I'm done, I'm done you probably got two minutes out of me yeah, and that was over and I was getting upset.
Speaker 1:That game, that was one of the times where sports made me physically upset. You've seen seen it before where I get so mad, I don't know what to do with my hands and I just start standing there like this. That was one of those games and it turned from anger to sadness. We were right there. I almost had that shit and my first thought is I could have rubbed it in this nigga's face. It didn't help. My girlfriend was pissing me off. She didn't understand why I was so upset and it was like please shut the fuck up. Yeah, if you don't understand, cool, just don't say shit. Uh, and that I I got the moment you and you were talking about, so five.
Speaker 2:Sanford stadium for georgia I. Historically they're not really great, but as of lately they have become a little bit more rowdy and stuff like that, so I would give them that Six. Beaver Stadium, penn State Again Six. Yeah, that's low, but again, everybody only talks about them at night. But if it's anything before not being a night game, it's a little bit easier to play there. They should definitely be higher, but I also get the idea that I think top five.
Speaker 1:They should be top five Four or five, because night games.
Speaker 2:Wide out, man. That stuff's insane.
Speaker 1:It's crazy when they couldn't hear the fucking play. That was some shit.
Speaker 2:Number seven, camp Randall, for Wisconsin. They do the jump around in the third quarter, big one Eight Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium that's the name of their stadium. Oklahoma Stadium that's the name of their stadium. Oklahoma that's the name of their stadium. Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium that's a bad name.
Speaker 1:That's a mouthful and a half, but that's not a bad stadium.
Speaker 2:No, it's pretty good 9, doak S Campbell Stadium for Florida State oh, that's pretty good. And then 10, ben Hill Griffin Stadium for Florida.
Speaker 1:That's also pretty good.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing. But Florida, though, they don't have a lot of big games.
Speaker 1:They don't.
Speaker 2:They haven't been good since Urban Meyer was there.
Speaker 1:But Florida has a lot of fans. They do so. Their fans are real rowdy.
Speaker 2:Like Tennessee should be higher. 13. Tennessee should be higher.
Speaker 1:Let's see, dude, I don't. You know what's funny If we're playing NCAA together and ICMS will have a night game against Penn State. I will submit, because when Mo Bama starts playing and I can't hear and I can feel my controller shaking, I'm going to have a fucking anxiety attack Because in Madden, when you get squiggly lines, the screen starts shaking and you can feel your quarterback catch the ball. It feels like I'm in the game and I can't, I can't, crazy.
Speaker 2:All right. Next rankings Is there top 10 offense and top 10 defense?
Speaker 1:You were higher on defense than you were on offense.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think you were fifth on offense.
Speaker 2:Fifth on offense. Yes, number one was Georgia at 94, which I'm like. Okay, I understand. They have the quarterback Carson Beck coming back. Their wide receiver is going to be a little bit different, so it's kind of weird. Their running back is going to be new, but they have a little bit of a question there at some points. But having Carson Beck, I get it, they're going to be pretty good offensively.
Speaker 2:Oregon at 94. That's good. They brought in I'm forgetting the quarterback's name Dylan Gabriel, to be their quarterback. So he's going to be a but he's not a very explosive quarterback. He doesn't really throw the ball downfield very well, a lot of short passing, but that's they. Exactly they did last year and they won every game, but against Washington twice. So like they're going to be a pretty good offense and they got a couple upgrades, a wide receiver. But I just think Dylan Gabriel as a quarterback is a little bit lower ceiling and I don't think he's ever really going to be able to give you the big plays necessary to like really have an explosive offense, so that I think that's a little bit high. But again, I understand. Alabama at 91, they have Kalen war coming in from Washington to be their head coach they're going to have a Brett like. Jalen Milrow is going to be the quarterback we're like does he fit the scheme that?
Speaker 1:that Kalen was bringing in that one, that that they're really high.
Speaker 2:I think they're they're really high. I think they're they're too high. Um, they're wide receivers. They lost a lot of the guys that were pass catchers for them last year. It's gonna be breaking in some new guys and then, when it comes to like they like they have a lot of guys they're replacing on this whole team, including running back um linemen, all of that. So it's like I don't know how you could. Oh, the wide receivers aren't explosive at all like they. There's like nobody like right.
Speaker 2:I think they have like one Williams kid, but he's like 17 years old. He came in early. Like he graduated a year early. So like he's not necessarily gonna have the body type enough to be able to play throughout throughout a whole season playing SEC football. So, like with all the guys they like need to be playmakers for them. They have not a lot of snaps or they're way too young. So I just don't know how they're going to necessarily have the consistent offense enough to be able to do anything that is going to be worth a 91 overall um. But you know, maybe they'll change this. Jaylen millerow was a weapon within himself. Maybe caitlin to work and figure it out with him, and he can be well, more than worth it. Um texas at four. I understand quinn ewers um a very good offense coordinator, slash head coach in uh, and that's some good running backs they have good running backs they're wide receivers are good.
Speaker 2:They had some good transfers coming along the top. They act this one's very well, very good. Ohio state five we should be higher, but again, with the quarterback potentially being an, issue With the quarterback and your receivers. No, we have Emeka, we have Carnell Tate. It's not like huge names, but they're all five stars.
Speaker 1:Nigga, I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker 2:I have five, five stars in that wide receiver, the Predator bro.
Speaker 1:He was the shit he was. I'm calling him Predator because I do not remember his name.
Speaker 2:Marv.
Speaker 1:Marvin Harrison yeah, Dude, he was fucking. Oh, he was awesome, but I think Without him, I think your rating is correct.
Speaker 2:We have Jeremiah Smith, though we have, we have, but again, they have to prove it, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:Emeka Abouk is your only proven receiver, that's true, and he's a very great all-around receiver.
Speaker 2:Karn I'll say it played well last year, but he got hurt.
Speaker 1:I know, but again, Emeka Book is your best one.
Speaker 2:On top of the fact we have the best running back room in the country, and I agree, but again, I think receiver is way more on that. I'll give you that.
Speaker 1:And then without a solid quarterback, it's high. Some people might say it's low, but I think 90 is a perfect middle ground 89. Oh, give me my point. I want my one point, exactly. Okay, you're slightly too low.
Speaker 2:Slightly too low. Again, I think it's more about the quarterback than anything else. I agree.
Speaker 1:I think that's the biggest thing, because I think your defensive rating is really, really correct Our defense is the highest defense in the college football which it should be Six is LSU, which I'm wondering why they're so high. They lost Daniels, the quarterback that won the Heisman last year they lost Daniels and both receivers.
Speaker 2:They lost both their receivers and a running back. They have a lot of pieces that they're replacing. So the idea that they just get to be at 89 overall without any continuity on that team is kind of insane, miami being in the 89 overall, which is kind of crazy, because that team does not have a lot of crazy stuff. On the wide receiver, at running back they brought in a quarterback from why am I bringing his name? From Washington State, who was a pretty good guy but he didn't really play well against great competition. But some said, like how are they so high? This is what got me Colorado's an eight with an 89 overall. In what freaking world is Colorado having 89 overall.
Speaker 2:Their offense was so mid Shador Sanders and the corner slot. He's very good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he's a better corner than receiver.
Speaker 2:Shador and.
Speaker 1:Travis.
Speaker 2:Hunter, travis Hunter, that's it. That's the only guys that you look at on that team. They're going to have a brand new offensive line. That's all transfers for teams that. Hey, these guys their teams didn't want and they are to have one five-star offensive lineman that's coming in from being at high school last year. So, like I don't know that office lines is still going to be pretty awful. Weapons wise, they didn't get better whatsoever, better whatsoever. So like I don't know how, other than just saying you think shador is going to be, take another step. I just I don't. Who is he going to throw to? Who is he? Who's going to block him? Like how was he going to be able to stay straight up because he got sacked so much last year? He might. He's going to have the same type of sack numbers this year. So I'm just like I don't know how that offense can be an 89 overall. They they won four games last year. How can it seem that won four games be an 89 overall on offense?
Speaker 1:They have no receiver besides Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2:That's it, and he plays corner too.
Speaker 1:And again, Travis Hunter is a much better corner than he is receiver.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And it's just, I don't know I don't know, heck.
Speaker 2:Even the running back they had last year, that was a pretty decent playmaker for them. Guess what he's going to play. He transferred. So I'm just sitting there like I don't know how Anybody can look at that team and say, hey, they're 89 overall, they're top 10 offense in college football. It doesn't make sense to me. Missouri at 9 I totally get Quarterback running back. They have a very good wide receiver.
Speaker 2:That's going to be a top 20 pick next year draft team, very good team, especially offensively, and then clemson being at 10. In what world their offense hasn't been good in so long. Their wide receivers? They don't have nearly wide receivers. They once had, um. They have freaking kate club naked quarterback who has never really proven to be able to do anything when it comes to consistently.
Speaker 1:Their last great wide receivers was T Higgins.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He was their best receiver.
Speaker 2:And T Higgins has been gone for five years now. No.
Speaker 1:He's on his fifth year Exactly. Holy shit, it's been five years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this nigga's been on my team for five years. Yeah, holy shit, it's been five years. Yeah, this thing has been almost even five years. Yeah, what the fuck damn right. Some say they're like they haven't had good wide receivers since then. Their office line really hasn't been all that good. Quarterbacks is like meh. And kate klubnick he had showed some promise but he still played like trash last year for the most of the time when he was out there. So I don't know how clemson is so high.
Speaker 2:So that was the top 10 for offenses defenses. Ohio State won understand, 96 overall. They probably should be a tad bit higher, but again, they don't want to. You know, give somebody a 99 overall defense, which they probably should be. Georgia at 2 94 overall makes total sense. Oregon at 3 for 90 overall. That that makes sense. Alabama at four I don't know how LA makes so high, could be so high. They lost Caleb Downs. He transferred to Ohio State. Now he's on my team.
Speaker 2:Like they lost a lot of defensive pieces that played a lot of snaps for them last year. So they're going to be breaking a lot of new players on the defensive side of the ball. So I don't know how they can be a 90 overall right now without seeing them play at all. That one's a little weird for me, clemson being a number five, that's the only thing that Clemson can do well is defense. So I totally understand them being at a 90, even though they did lose a Duke last year and Duke was able to score some points. But uh, I'm not gonna go too far into that one. Uh, let's see six.
Speaker 2:Notre Dame I don't know how you can say that Riley Leonard's gonna be that one's rough he's the one that transferred in from Duke, but he's more of a runner than he is a passer. And then with their skill position players, they have some guys that can make some plays but like any type of explosive part of their team, they're gonna be looking for young guys that are coming from the high school ranks to be able to come in and do some good work, for them to become more explosive, and I just don't think that's necessarily going to work, especially with having that guy at quarterback. I just like with him. I just don't think he's going to mess with me a lot better than what they had last year. Seven Michigan makes total sense. You lose a few definite big pieces, but I think it's more of a mentality thing than anything. So hopefully for Michigan Michigan fans out there, uh, sherone Moore can kind of put that team back into shape offensively with a brand new quarterback and be able to kind of have a good outing out there going into next year. Um, texas at eight they have a few missing players from last year coming out of the draft and all, but I do think texas has a lot of dudes on that team. With some big boys, especially on that defensive line, it's going to be able to cause some havoc.
Speaker 2:And then 10, I mean nine, is penn state. Penn state always is a good defense. That always makes sense. It's usually their offense that plays terribly. Um, so they did a very uh their defense a little bit shaky to be 88, but again I totally understand. And then number 10 is utah. Their defense is always great. They have a defensive-minded head coach. They are always in the perfect spot to be able to uh do make some plays defensively. So I actually like that one there. They play some very good defense.
Speaker 2:And then, last but not least, you have total team power rankings. So obviously, from everything from A to Z on their team, that's what they're kind of having into account. Georgia's a 95 overall. I get it Makes total sense with the little bit higher offensive ceiling. Number two is Ohio State at 93 overall. Again, that makes total sense with the quarterback issues. Imagine if we had CJ Stroud on this team, we'd be at total 99. But you know, sometimes it doesn't work that way. Oregon at three. That makes total sense. Alabama at four 92. Again, I think that's more based off the team than anything, cause you're just not even sure how the coach is going to come out and play his offense with the personnel that he has so like who knows, but at 90, she's a little bit high from my blood.
Speaker 2:Texas at five makes total sense. They have a good team overall, especially offensively. Defensively they're going to be filling in some holes but hopefully they won't have to have to uh dip too far into the reserves on that um defensively and then it's, and then offensively. It's kind of weird on that. Like offensively they're set pretty much for the most part with Quinn Ewers having a good core uh backup in uh the Arch Manning um and then wide receiver wise. They're a very good team as well. They draft, they uh recruit very well.
Speaker 2:Clemson at six I don't know how Clemson can be so high. They've been pretty bad. They lost three games last year. I don't know how they necessarily plan on getting a lot better, especially with having the same quarterback um wide receivers get a tad bit better to be ready to go right away. So I don't know how clemson can be so high at 90 overall at six, uh seven, notre dame, I get it. Offense, defense, all of that makes total sense, lsu being a 90 overall, for I've already talked about the fact their defense doesn't need to be ranked all that high, um, but offensively they're replaced a lot of pieces. Maybe they can surprise us and be worthy of that number eight.
Speaker 2:Overall ranking number nine. Nine Penn State makes total sense. They have the defense, they always have defensive guys, but when it comes to the, when it comes to the offense, it's a little bit weird. Especially they're hiring a new offensive coordinator. They sell that kid, drew Aller from Ohio. That didn't really play all that well last year. He kind of showed up in the big games. Maybe he could take that next step and kind of take this Penn State offense to somewhere they've never seen before. But I'm not going to put my money on it.
Speaker 2:And then Utah at 10. Utah perfect all the way around when it comes to. They know who they are, they know who they want to play and they play the way they want to play. Utah is just that kind of team. They're always very good. They're going to kill it down there in the Big 12. Let me see here any other team that you would want to know if they were on in the overall team rankings in the top 25. No, okay, then that's about it for that one. All right, team power rankings. Uh, a little bit iffy. I want to make sure I have this right. Yeah, uh, team rank is a little bit weird on this on this game, but again, my team is high enough to where I will have a very fun time playing this game when it comes out on the 16th. That's awesome. Fuck you All right. Next thing, I just have a question to ask before we get to our player rankings for the NFL stuff.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I'm looking at Joe Burrow's recent side quests where he was modeling for fucking Vogue.
Speaker 2:Oh, with that backless shirt, it was weird what he was wearing, but again, it's a fashion show, so it's kind of what they do. Why is this nigga on a side quest? Hey, he's too famous being Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1:Why did you bring Justin Jefferson with you? Why the fuck is he with you?
Speaker 2:He can pay for things he just got paid.
Speaker 1:This nigga's in. They're in France. They've been in France for like a fucking week. Hey, what are y'all niggas?
Speaker 2:doing. You're bringing the dudes to help you get there. Right Is what it is. All right. I have a question for you. Do you have a number where, if your team lost x amount of games, uh, the season is a failure?
Speaker 1:um, either pros or college if we oh college, if we lose more than uh, if we lose nine, it's a failure nine is a failure, like if you win four.
Speaker 2:If you win more than four games, you're like okay, cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, here's why I asked this question right? Because obviously, me being a Buckeye fan, if we lose more than one game I want to say in the regular season, because more likely than not Ohio State's getting to the playoff If we lose more than one game in a regular season, I'm devastated. Big changes have to happen. It's a problem. Things have to. Some heads got to roll right, which, again last time it happened, we lost two games. We lost at Oregon and Michigan that year. Guess what Defensive coaches' heads were rolling After that. Ryan Day made the move to go over to Jim Knowles. So, like with Ohio State, it's a little bit different for me. Obviously, I'm very spoiled in that way, but I think the more interesting way comes when the pros come in, because obviously for your Bengals, where you're at right now, with Joe Burrow being who he is, if he's fully healthy and you guys lose four or five games, I do feel like you'll be ready to jump off a bridge.
Speaker 1:Why. Well, because I think you have a higher sense of what this team should be because you see them play at their best, I know, but we averaged 10 and six. I get it.
Speaker 2:I think we should be able to win at least nine games, so anything less than nine games is like a failure of a season, like you feel like they didn't hold up their end of the bargain, I feel like we should be in contention to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1:Why I say contention is because the AFC North is really really hard to make the playoffs AFC North, AFC in general. Now, winning in the North is very fucking hard, so we could very likely lose six fucking games to any of these teams. True, so it's 9s and a solid expectation of we are the worst in the North, but we're still one of the best in the NFL. And because everybody has bad years, I think 9s is very reasonable. 9 and 6 is very reasonable. Yeah, 9 and 7. 9 and 7. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think 9 is very reasonable. 9 and 6 is very reasonable. Yeah, 9 and 7. 9 and 7. Yeah, 18.
Speaker 1:I think 9 and 7 is reasonable 17.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I said 18 and 17. So it would be 9 and 8. 9 and 8. Which is what we were last year. 9 and 8 is reasonable, but that was.
Speaker 2:Joe Burrow getting hurt. I feel like it did change your mindset of it so you weren't as upset about it.
Speaker 1:I know, but again 9-8, that's reasonable. That's we're almost making the playoffs.
Speaker 2:So here's my thing about the pro thing, right? Is that obviously we don't care about basketball. It's like, hey, they're going to either get a playoff pick I mean, what, is it a lottery pick or they're not when it comes to basketball. But when it comes to MLB I do feel like in basketball obviously both of them together. So if the Steelers bottom out right, they get a draft pick at the end. So, depending on what the reason is for that team bottoming out, if I can rationalize, hey, because you bottomed out and had a terrible season, you then get a prize at the end for having a very good pick and all that. So that part I think I'm a little bit more understanding of when it comes to my pro team. But if it happened for my college team, I'm then having conniption, um. And then when it comes to our bulls, I don't care, they're most likely to win, lose most of the games anyway. And then the Yankees are just like there's 160 games in a. So it's kind of hard to get too invested into any specific game, but you just kind of want to see them do their thing throughout the whole season and then for us to be ready to go when the playoffs start and they're in it. So that's a little bit different for me. When it comes to the football stuff again, I just feel like bottoming out is a little bit different depending on which team I'm looking at. That's all I got. I just feel like it was a pretty decent question because I'm sitting there, like it's a little bit different for everybody.
Speaker 2:I was watching one podcast and they're like a Mississippi State fan, brandon Walker. If you've watched the Unnecessary Roughness one, he said he'd suck a dick to win seven games in a season. Like I'm ready to cut my dick off if I say only won seven games in a season. Like I. Like that's different types of expectations for your team. Like that's like I, I'd go crazy only winning seven games. So like the, the type of mentality people have for their fandom and for what they've been conditioned to accept is kind of insane, because I get a little bit in both worlds of it. But you know I'm very slow when it comes to Ohio State and I have no problem saying so.
Speaker 2:All right, now on to our player rankings. For the NFL positions, we do a top 10. We're going to do for multiple positions, pretty much every position on an NFL football team, and then we'll talk about them week by week. Sometimes we'll do two, sometimes we'll do one, who knows what we'll do within a specific podcast. This time we're going to do tight ends and we're going to do free safeties, free safety rankings. And, jace, would you like to go ahead and give us your, uh, tight end ranking, tight end rankings. My friend, it's a little late here, so we're it's a little bit tough at this one, but we're gonna finish this out. We got a little bit left here.
Speaker 1:Um, tight ends, what you got I got george kittle, travis kelsey, sam laporta, jj hodgkinson, trey, mcbride, david and joku mark andrews dark, kincade, evan ingrams and don't show us.
Speaker 2:I got George Kittle one, sam Laporta two, travis Kelsey three, mark Andrews four, whoa Njoku five.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:TJ Hawkinson, six Whoa Dallas Goddard. Seven Dalton Kincaid, eight Dalton Schultz, nine. Ten was Evan Ingram.
Speaker 1:Okay, kittles one, kelsey's two, laporta's three, laporta's three, because he's only done it once.
Speaker 2:My question at why I put Sam Laporta two was because I saw him do it last year and he was an absolute animal and he was looked at as going to be an animal going into the league. So he came through with the expectations he had coming into the league. And I think Travis Kelsey for all he is by the end of the season he played well. But the fact that he got injured and he pretty much wasn't himself the rest of the season, I just don't think he's going to bounce back and just be automatically a top two tight end in the NFL next year.
Speaker 1:I was not ready to put my money on that.
Speaker 2:But Sam LaFleur is a dog and he will be for the next 10 years.
Speaker 1:I had Trey McBride.
Speaker 2:Trey McBride. I looked at him. A part of what I saw when it came to his production was that because there was nobody else.
Speaker 1:No, he was that good, he was that because there was nobody else.
Speaker 2:No, he was that good, he was that good last year, True, but who else did they have on that team to throw to? Which is true?
Speaker 1:but that's the same thing you can say about Travis Kelsey. Who the fuck else are you throwing to?
Speaker 2:Yes, with Travis Kelsey we've been doing those type of things for a decade.
Speaker 1:Yes, a decade where they've had no one else to throw to besides Tyreek Hill. But he was there before Tyreek Hill and he was the only person to throw to. And he was there after Tyreek Hill and he was the only person to throw to, but his years during the Tyreek Hill he wasn't as good. Okay, so what you're saying is hey, who the fuck was his quarterback most of your last year Top of your head? Who was it? You have no fucking clue.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:And he was still. He had 837 yards I hear what you're saying and he had nine touchdowns. He had two drop passes, he catches everything and he is on a trash team but he's a tight end on a trash team. I hear what you're saying, there's only one motherfucker to cover and you can't cover him. That's what I'm saying. I have David Njoku at six because David Njoku's always hurt.
Speaker 2:I had him above TJ Hawkinson.
Speaker 1:I did not.
Speaker 2:Oh, that was like the part where I was like, eh, should I put TJ at five? I would put TJ at five or have him go to six.
Speaker 1:I have TJ at four because TJ Hawkinson has always been that good. It's just he hasn't always been able to show it because he was in the Lions, but even in the Lions he was that good.
Speaker 2:But I think I had him at six because I was worried about the knee injury, Torn ACL and all that. So I'm just like I'm not sure what he's going to look like in the long term.
Speaker 1:I have David Njoku at six. Because of all of David Njoku's injuries, I don't know what you'll look like this next year.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And then I have Mark Andrews, who is just hurt I know how good you are. I have Dalton Kincaid, who was good when they could give him the ball. I have Evan Ingram, who was really good, and I have Dalton Schultz, who was really good. My honorable mentions were Jake Ferguson he was one of my two. Dallas Goddard and Pat Firm.
Speaker 2:I had Dallas Goddard in my top ten.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had him at seven Dallas Goddard legit would be at like I just don't think he has the high end of everybody else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:I think he's the more of I disappear in an offense.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because he's there with AJ Green, with Devonta Smith.
Speaker 1:AJ Brown.
Speaker 2:What did I just say?
Speaker 1:AJ Green.
Speaker 2:Yeah, AJ Brown, Sorry my bad.
Speaker 1:In a way that these other guys were like, hey, I am a piece in my offense. Jake Ferguson for the Cowboys was really, really good.
Speaker 2:Yes, but I think, with the Cowboys, though, it makes me think that, hey, we just need to have one guy to kind of come in, because they've had multiple guys come in and have very good careers. I'm not sure if it's just about Jake Ferguson that makes him do well at that job, or just because that spot with the quarterback that they have not necessarily throwing a lot downfield, is that like one of those cheat code things where you're just like, hey, I'm a tight end on the Cowboys, I'm going to have good stats, which is why he's an honorable mention Right, which is that's exactly why I had him and then Pat Frymuth, because Frymuth is really really good and a little hurt last year.
Speaker 2:I get that, but his numbers were down even when he was playing. But again, who did he have as a quarterback Exactly?
Speaker 1:It's a little bit weird which is why he was in the honorable mentions. You had no good quarterback. You were hurt the year before and it kind of went into this year and then you had no one to throw to. So it makes it hard to want to play questions asked.
Speaker 2:And then I had kyle pitts in my honorable mentions because he didn't make the top 10. I've had him in my top 10 the last multiple years ever since he got drafted, but, like you have, give me a coach that wants to give him the football, and then I'll change my mind I know it's not you, because you're still good and you're still getting good numbers, but I you're not doing.
Speaker 1:you're not the next coming of christ, like everybody said. You were right and maybe you are and we just don't see it because you can route it. That could be the case. You route up motherfuckers, that could be the case. You look like fucking Shannon Sharp when you are over on the fucking sideline routing a dude up and they just don't throw to you. Yep, but I just I can't right now.
Speaker 2:Can't do it without him right outside. And then Evan Ingram I did have him in the top 10, even though I was struggling with him putting him in there, because he really is just a glorified. He's a wide receiver Like. He is a tight end playing the wide receiver position, because he's not ass-to-block, he's out there to go out and catch passes, but he had over 1,000 yards. He had 1,100 yards and over 100 catches.
Speaker 1:So I I have to call him a tight end. So you're a fucking tight end.
Speaker 2:I have to respect him enough to call him a tight end and put him in his rankings because he's so productive the only guy that had, actually. I think he had more yards than George Kittle, who I consider to be the best tight end in the NFL, Like he Evan Ingram has.
Speaker 1:He has slightly more yards, Not a lot more. And I think he has more touchdowns too, I know, but Like he is so productive and he plays the tight end position, I have to have him in there. This is why George Kittle is number one. It's because George Kittle is the only fully tight, full, perfect, tight end on this list and he's a great blocker. Yeah, he's in the best offense.
Speaker 2:And they use him that way. He is not just like a gadget guy, you're a tight end he's in there to block. If you need to block, you're going to block Like he does all of it he's going to block you and then run out there and go get a pass.
Speaker 1:Questions asked and he's in the best offense Yep In the NFL and he's still at safeties. Yeah, free safeties, did you?
Speaker 2:just do free safeties, just free safeties.
Speaker 1:I had a free safeties, you guys, I figured we were going to split free safeties and then strong safeties, more guys that are in the box more. I think I have a couple strong safeties.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's fine, that's cool.
Speaker 1:Not a lot, but I have a couple Want me to give mine first.
Speaker 2:Then yeah, antoine Mayfield Field Jr, number one I have.
Speaker 1:Minka Fitzpatrick at number two, wild what that he's so high. Yeah, minka, he was hurt last year, wasn't he?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but.
Speaker 1:How many games did he miss?
Speaker 2:Like four or five.
Speaker 1:Now let me tell you about this nigga Jesse Bates.
Speaker 2:He's in there. I have Kyle Hamilton at three. Nigga, he's not there yet, jesse, jesse Bates.
Speaker 1:He was the second best free safety NFL. Are you fucking smoking crack? What dick you sucking. What the fuck you tweaking?
Speaker 2:I yeah, it was better than both them niggas. Kyle Hamilton's versatility is what I'm kind of putting some stock into to do everything.
Speaker 1:That motherfucker had a no-fly zone. No-fly zone. You know how many pass work cats were caught on Jesse Bates this year? Nine, nine, nine, what the fuck is wrong with you, you tweaking off a fucking perky.
Speaker 2:I don't think I am.
Speaker 2:I think you are, uh, number five, xavier mckinney. Number six, derwin james. Number seven uh, let me make sure I get my handwriting right here where I'm reading it uh, tala tal Noah, who Funga from, uh, from the San Fran. Uh, he's a very, very good uh, safe, free safety for them. Number eight, marcus Williams, from, obviously from the Baltimore Ravens. Uh, number nine, cameron Bynum, um, free safety from the Vikings. And then number 10, justin Simmons, who was just I'm Justin Simmons, the only guy that's not signed on this list right now. He's currently still a free agent after you got cut by Denver last year. So, like, hopefully he'll be able to find a fit and get onto a roster, because we'll have to be able to talk about this.
Speaker 1:But that's my, that's my list based off a lot of their stats.
Speaker 2:I did not. I went. I think I went more for I future potential and I don't do that. What they are now, I don't do that.
Speaker 1:I go based off stats. Quarterback, pressure, sacks, interceptions, tackles, solo tackles, yeah I'm not doing that yeah, I go off numbers, which is what my anton anton. Anton winfield jr. Because he was just the best safety last year. Jesse bates, because you're a nigga. Um kyle hamilton. Micka v Fitzpatrick bore what? Him being that high on your list is fucking crazy. There's some bias there and that's fucked up. Uh, derwin James.
Speaker 2:I think Mika does everything that Kyle Hamilton does, and he's even better at it. Minus the five games he'll play. He'll miss a year he missed it last year, but the year before he was totally healthy. I'm going to fact check that, because I don't think that's right. I'll check, derwin James.
Speaker 1:I have Jabril Peppers Strong safety. I mixed my list.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a little bit iffy on that one.
Speaker 1:He's a strong safety.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But he was the best strong safety in the NFL. So my bad. I have Xavier McKinney, I have Tyron Matthew, I have Ifatu Mufalano Mufanga. No Mufalano Ifatu.
Speaker 2:Kansas City Okay, got it. They're strong safety.
Speaker 1:Got it. And then I have Javon Holland. My list, legit, goes from free safety to strong safety. Again, I misunderstood the assignment. My honorable mentions were Jordan Battle. His numbers were very, very good. He had three sacks, two interceptions and then like 55 solo tackles and then a bunch of assist tackles. He's an honorable mention because he's not great at playing his assignment. He's really really great at stuffing the box and getting helping with run support, but he's not as good as being a strong safety. Uh, but how he wants to play would work if he had a better free safety. Now, I love how Jordan Battle plays. It's just since his free safety is not good enough, he can't play like that.
Speaker 2:True.
Speaker 1:But he can read a defense, he can read an offense, he knows where he's supposed to be. It's just he wants to play a certain way that Daxon Hill was not good enough to play like that for him. And then I have Kevin Bernard and I have Malik Hooker. I have been with two Arnold Legends.
Speaker 2:Okay, no, that makes total sense. So you're mad at me about how I had Minka right. Minka's very good Minka. 10 games last year, played Year before 15. 10?.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have him at two, and this nigga played 10?.
Speaker 2:For what he is, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, nigga play 10 for what he is. Yeah, oh, what was jesse bates.
Speaker 2:How many games did he play? No, how good with this nigga.
Speaker 1:I admit four dude. What the fuck? If that's not player bias, I don't know what the fuck is.
Speaker 2:He played 10 games he played 15 the year before. He played 16 year before that. He played 16 year before that. He played 14 the year before that. He played 16 the year before that. He played 14 the year before that.
Speaker 1:Dude, if this ain't fucking player bias, I don't know what it is. He's at two. This nigga missed seven fucking games. Jesse Bates played 17 fucking games. That is player bias. He is way too fucking high. He don't have the stats. He doesn't have the production For this year going into this coming year. He doesn't have the same stats. You can't rank him that high based on oh, this is what he could be. He could be fucking hurt again. That's too fucking high. That's way too fucking high. It's way too fucking high.
Speaker 2:Alright, maybe you know what I will own that one. Maybe I had him a little too high, but again, you only have two spots down yeah where are you supposed to be?
Speaker 1:cause he was good. But again my list is mixed the fuck up. I was looking at the best safeties in the league. I was not looking at the best free safeties in the NFL, I was looking at the best safeties. So again this nigga was competing with strong safeties in the league.
Speaker 1:I was not looking at the best free safeties in the nfl, I'm looking at the best safeties. So again, this nigga was competing with strong safeties. If he was competing with other free safeties he probably would have been lower on my list, because strong safeties tend to have worse pass protection stats and they have better rushing and protections, pressures, blitzes, sacks. They have better, those stats, and when I compare them, I compare everything and he ended up better than guys like Jabril Peppers. But no, all right, that's all I got.
Speaker 2:All right. All righty then. I think that is about it for our list. I didn't have a lot of, I didn't have a lot of quorums with yours. I think yours is fine. I respect yours, I respect mine, but I think we both should have respect for each other's lists. I think we have some decent fun with that. We started losing a little bit of steam there going towards the end of the podcast.
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