JB's Sports Podcast
NBA Free Agency Moves and NFL position Rankings(RB & Pass Rusher)
Ever wondered if "Sky High" was actually a Disney Channel movie? Buckle up as we kick off this episode with a nostalgic jaunt through our favorite Disney Channel classics like "High School Musical," "Camp Rock," and "Suite Life of Zack and Cody." We even debate the Disney status of "Sky High" while sharing stories from our new workout routines and Fourth of July celebrations. But it's not all fun and games—things get heated as we discuss the Hawks' decision to trade DeJounte Murray to the Pelicans and what it means for Trae Young's future.
Shifting gears, we tackle recent NBA trades and free agency moves that have fans buzzing. How will Klay Thompson's move to the Mavericks impact the Golden State Warriors and Dallas' three-point game? What does DeMar DeRozan's new role with the Sacramento Kings mean for their playoff hopes? And, most intriguingly, where does LeBron James stand with the Lakers? We explore the intricacies of these trades, the emotional and strategic ramifications for the teams involved, and even touch on the financial implications of taxes on athletes' salaries.
Finally, we get down to some good old-fashioned sports debate. From ranking NFL's top defensive ends and running backs to critiquing Lamar Jackson's playoff performances, our passionate discussions leave no stone unturned. Should Joe Mixon make the top 10 list? And what's up with the controversial opinions on Jonathan Taylor and Josh Jacobs? We wrap up with a lively outro, inviting you to connect with us on social media and support the show. Don’t miss out on this rollercoaster of sports talk and nostalgia—tune in now!
Ever wondered if "Sky High" was actually a Disney Channel movie? Buckle up as we kick off this episode with a nostalgic jaunt through our favorite Disney Channel classics like "High School Musical," "Camp Rock," and "Suite Life of Zack and Cody." We even debate the Disney status of "Sky High" while sharing stories from our new workout routines and Fourth of July celebrations. But it's not all fun and games—things get heated as we discuss the Hawks' decision to trade DeJounte Murray to the Pelicans and what it means for Trae Young's future.
Shifting gears, we tackle recent NBA trades and free agency moves that have fans buzzing. How will Klay Thompson's move to the Mavericks impact the Golden State Warriors and Dallas' three-point game? What does DeMar DeRozan's new role with the Sacramento Kings mean for their playoff hopes? And, most intriguingly, where does LeBron James stand with the Lakers? We explore the intricacies of these trades, the emotional and strategic ramifications for the teams involved, and even touch on the financial implications of taxes on athletes' salaries.
Finally, we get down to some good old-fashioned sports debate. From ranking NFL's top defensive ends and running backs to critiquing Lamar Jackson's playoff performances, our passionate discussions leave no stone unturned. Should Joe Mixon make the top 10 list? And what's up with the controversial opinions on Jonathan Taylor and Josh Jacobs? We wrap up with a lively outro, inviting you to connect with us on social media and support the show. Don’t miss out on this rollercoaster of sports talk and nostalgia—tune in now!
Welcome back to the podcast. Today is Wednesday, July the 10th. We are back in the podcast we back.
Speaker 2:It's been, I think, over a week now, close to a week and a half. We've had some things going on. So you know we started working out last week. That's a big one, like four or five days a week. We're saying four or five days last week, so we started working out, so that's one big thing. We had to start doing pretty much going most a good portion of the week, and then what else was last week? Obviously, as always, schedules work, all of that. So we're we're kind of figuring things out, we're back for another podcast oh, fourth of july was last week that is another one.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I said I was like a month's weekend.
Speaker 2:That's a big one it feels like a lifetime ago now, like, seriously, it's how, even though it's only been six days, but, yeah, with all that being the case a little harder to do it last week, but we are back.
Speaker 2:We're here, the podcast, pretty much talking about all the NBA stuff that happened since free agency started, and then doing some NFL stuff, and then we have our rankings we're doing today. So today's rankings we are doing for running backs and pass rushers, slash defensive ends, whatever you want to call it, and that's going to be our podcast today. So let's go ahead and get. Oh, by the way, real quick, I started seeing High School Musical earlier. What is your favorite Disney Channel movie? Had it been only on Disney Channel? No, no big release movie.
Speaker 1:There wasn't many when I was young.
Speaker 2:It was mostly TV show movies. That's what I'm saying. Like tv, like tv show movies, like those count I I was thinking obviously high school musicals one like he's, like it's an institution I'm not even saying it's a good movie, but it's like a very popular one. Uh, then you think about like the ho movies, like the Halloween movies. When we were kids those were ones that got a lot of run.
Speaker 1:Dude, I am too young for both those movies. The last High School Musical came out in 07.
Speaker 2:No, it didn't.
Speaker 1:Dude, dude.
Speaker 2:Am I really tweaking?
Speaker 1:You're yeah, my bad, oh wait. Oh wait, I'm a year off. Oh wait, High school musical senior year 2008. I was five.
Speaker 2:I got the list up right here.
Speaker 1:I was five. You have 06, 07, and 08. I was five.
Speaker 2:Dang Camp Rock Suite Life movie. You watched Suite Life with Zack and Cody. That's a big one.
Speaker 1:Okay again, the Camp Rock movies came out when I was still really young. You have the wrong sibling. Also, I wasn't a Disney Channel kid, I was a Nicktoons kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right yeah.
Speaker 1:I watched Zach's Life of Ned how to Survive High School, drake and Josh Power Rangers. Do you know who?
Speaker 2:had, like Braylon was in the Disney Channel movies Because he was watching like the Descendants movies and then like the zombie movies with like the high school zombie.
Speaker 1:I don't know if he was more into those or if those were just on, maybe, because I think those were just on.
Speaker 2:I can get behind that.
Speaker 1:More of like.
Speaker 2:Was Sky High, a Disney Channel movie.
Speaker 1:No, Sky High was just a movie.
Speaker 2:It may have been.
Speaker 1:I cannot confirm or deny Let me look it up. For those who don't know what Sky High is, it's just a movie about a guy who goes to a high school for superheroes. Our younger brother binged this movie like 14 times. It was on Netflix. He just kept watching it over and over again.
Speaker 2:Sky High.
Speaker 1:Don't even know why.
Speaker 2:Writer stars. Let's see, no, it was a movie movie.
Speaker 1:Even though it didn't feel like it. It didn't feel like it. That felt like a Disney Channel movie.
Speaker 2:It had a Disney Channel vibe to it, it really didn't feel like it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, by the time I was able to watch. I was never a Disney Channel guy, I was always a Nickelodeon guy. Well, I like Nickelodeon too, but like when I was younger, like the Disney Channel, movies were like the big ones there I know and like, maybe I saw like a couple of them, but I wanted to watch cartoons.
Speaker 2:I wanted to watch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Walt Disney Pictures, though. So it was like one of those. Okay. So I had a $14 million opening weekend, so yeah, it was a real movie. Okay, well, weird, it was a weird thing that I started singing Freaking high school musical earlier, so it kind of set me on this little thing, alright. So now we're past that NBA stuff. I just had the things that I kind of felt like were the biggest stuff and just kind of wrote them down and then, jace, if you have anything to add, we'll just you just jump in. Uh, hawks trade jonte murray to the pelicans for larry nance, jr dyson daniels in two first-round picks. So the Hawks breaking apart their two guards in DeJounte Murray and why am I forgetting the little guy Trae Young? Trae Young Breaking apart that duo, which everybody thought could have been something special, never turned into anything and honestly, they got rid of it because DeJounte Murray had the better value, because his number was a little bit lower and, not to mention, trae Young is going to want to get paid.
Speaker 1:Wait, they traded Young.
Speaker 2:No, Trae Young is still there. Dejounte Murray is who they traded, because Murray's number is lower, and not to mention Trae Young. You'll have to pay him max money at some point.
Speaker 1:Trae- Young, don't work in fucking.
Speaker 2:That's the thing he does.
Speaker 1:He averages over 25 points a game.
Speaker 2:eight assists True, true, true true, true, but he also stops the ball like a motherfucker. He's awful on defense.
Speaker 1:DeJounte Murray was. At least he can keep a person in front of him. He has size, but he doesn't play defense. No but he can keep a dude in front of him. There ain't nothing else he could do.
Speaker 2:And why it didn't work with the Hawks is that you can't hide two players on defense.
Speaker 1:No, you can hide one, can't hide two, and I'm going to be honest, dejounte Murray is more efficient.
Speaker 2:And I feel like DeJounte Murray kind of took over that Hawks team when he was there because he was just the more all-around player getting to the rack, able to distribute a little bit in a way that Trae Young, when his shot isn't hitting, he's not hitting threes.
Speaker 1:It feels like he doesn't have as big as an impact there. Exactly, he's a non-factor.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say non-factor. It doesn't feel like he is, because that's what he's good at and he's a very streaky as a shooter. He is like when he came into the league it felt like he was looked at as going to be like the next Steph Curry, and that's really not the case. He's a very streaky shooter. He'll go on some very bad cold streaks, but I will give him this I felt like this last year when they got into I'm not sure if they got into the playoffs.
Speaker 1:It was a plan?
Speaker 2:Was it the plan?
Speaker 2:Yeah they didn't make the playoffs. It did feel like when he's not hitting shots, he's trying to get assists, he's trying to get lobs up, he's getting into the, getting to the paint area and trying to like hit some floaters, like he's trying to do other things. It's not like he's not trying to go out there and make an impact, but it just felt like with this, that iteration of that team was not going to work. With DeJounte Murray Got a ton of stuff Dyson Daniels, larry Nance Jr and two first round picks.
Speaker 2:To New Orleans and DeJounte Murray, New Orleans. Do you know what they needed? A ball handler that can score the basketball.
Speaker 1:A nice backup, a nice what he'd be point. He'd be running the point yes, you know that's not bad, because they have Jose Alvarado in their backup and he's a really good fucking backup.
Speaker 2:And they still have what's his name from Portland.
Speaker 1:Oh, CJ McCollum.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they still have McCollum too, but McCollum's a more streaky scorer.
Speaker 1:McCollum's a two-guard.
Speaker 2:Right. When McCollum doesn't have to hold onto the bat, like he doesn't have to take the ball off the court and be relied on to score, when he's like a third or fourth scorer, that is huge, isn't that his best right? So when you have so you have jonte murray sitting there at the point, you have zion williamson, who played his best. He he's played most games. He played all last season, like in his career. So he played a lot of games last year and then when you saw him play at his best, he looks dominant and the idea that you don't like, yes, zion can take the ball off the court and having be the guy to distribute and you can kind of get the ball out to shooters, but when he doesn't have to and you have him as an option, that's when he's at his best, it's when they're at their best and I do feel like that is a huge addition to them and they finally gave they gave up a lot of stuff for him too, because to those two first round picks can be very valuable there in the future, but that, no, I feel like that's a it's a good trade for both sides.
Speaker 2:The Hawks were kind of done with what they were doing there with that iteration of the team and they needed this. The Pelicans needed a point guard to help out Zion Williams and that can also score the basketball. That is not necessarily can do it on his own, he can go get a bucket. So it's definitely a big, a big, a big one for both sides. Bulls signed Patrick Williams for five years, 90 million.
Speaker 2:Um, they were trying to trade Zach Levine. Apparently, we'll talk about the other things they did too but like they've been trying to trade Zach Levine to anybody that would take him because the Bulls don't want to pay his salary anymore. And I do feel like the Bulls are pretty close to wanting to just do a full rebuild, have Josh Giddey on the team and then just go with a bunch of young guys, and I do feel like that's what they want to do. But Zach Levine's contract is so astronomically crazy and what he brings to a team not only because of the injuries he just had a I think it was an ACL injury last year, so with that injury doesn't necessarily help and the idea that Zach Levine is a really good offensive piece but defensively does not help you at all.
Speaker 1:I think that's what our worst thing is. We fucking suck defensively.
Speaker 2:Yes, very, very bad.
Speaker 1:And our scoring is real streaky Sometimes we're on. Sometimes we're off.
Speaker 2:There's no spacing, so we didn't have a lot of shooting on our roster. So, with all that being the case, it's like this bulls team which they've been doing for so long. They've been trying to hold, they've been trying, they've been up the up the river without a paddle, just trying to stay afloat. But are they actually doing anything to really like progress forward? They haven't been for years now. They have been a oh, maybe make the play in, maybe not get into the playoffs, losing the first round. That's exactly what this team has been.
Speaker 2:So and honestly, I could say there's probably nothing worse than being a middling team in the nba, because if you do suck, there is something on the back end to help you get better as a basketball team. But they just haven't been. They've been getting top 10 picks like all the time, but they haven't been making good picks and with the players they've been putting on their team there's good but not great. There is no superstar player, there is no like, and the way they built that team just wasn't good at all. So now they're just breaking it apart for pieces and hoping to get young and then try to suck next year for going to potentially get a cooper flag, who looks amazing. He was playing against the uh, the usa men's basketball he was fucking dunking on 17, he dunked on Bam.
Speaker 1:You see that yeah.
Speaker 2:Duke's 17 years old and he can stand out amongst grown NBA men. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Fucking scary.
Speaker 2:He's good, Like he's really good. Duke's getting a very good player. So the idea that you can try to suck next year and get a guy with a good flag.
Speaker 1:If I'm Duke, I'm sitting there looking like, damn, I'm getting no fucking chip. Like that's how good he is.
Speaker 2:I. I'm getting no fucking chip Like that's how good he is. I don't think they're going to get a chip, I know, but we're not talking about any grown men, we are talking about NBA all-stars.
Speaker 1:Yeah, these are the best of the best. This is the best we got.
Speaker 2:He stood out amongst a bunch of grown men in the NBA that are superstars. So the idea that a guy like Cooper Flagg is the pretty much foregone conclusion for the number one pick overall going into next year's draft, that's somebody to try to suck for and the Bulls are going to be in the running, I have no doubt Because of the guys they've gotten rid of now and they're going to be looking at Josh Giddey saying, hey, take the ball and hopefully you can win us a couple games To try to make it worth fans coming to the games. Next Golden State they released Chris Paul. Chris Paul then signs with San Antonio for like a one year. I think it was like $11 million or something like that.
Speaker 2:Chris Paul to San Antonio makes a decent amount of sense because he's playing with Wemby, having a point guard that can get him the ball and put him in good positions to go do what Wemby does, because when he's on he's very special in the way he does things. So the idea that they added Chris Paul to that is a big deal. And not to mention like, do you know, chris Paul like leaves his family to go, like he leaves his family in LA, like he leaves them there and then he's been going to these places. So the Suns when he was playing with the Suns he was just going back and forth to go see his family but he was mostly by himself. So like, this is the farthest he's been from his family in a while, but I do like.
Speaker 2:But he said the reason that he was so willing to do that was because he wanted to have a starting job on a team and he didn't just want to be. And not to mention this, the contract they gave him. They gave him a lot more money for this year and it's a a one-year deal. So if there's a team that looks like they're going to be in like playoff contention, potentially for a championship, and they end up needing a point guard, that is an easy contract to trade for. So it keeps him flexible but also keeps the team flexible that they don't necessarily have to pay him big money long-term and he can go in there and help Wimby out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everyone can wimpy out. Yeah, everyone could help him grow. Exactly exactly. It's a one year. They're not in any long-term deal. If they're, if they don't feel like it's going right, they can let him go right uh, and then cp is in a decent area, he's okay where he's at, and if this doesn't feel right for him, we can leave exactly.
Speaker 2:Oh, taxes, taxes is pretty help, pretty helpful too. No state tax, so you get to keep a little bit more of that money in your pocket. You get to keep most of that money in your pocket. I wouldn't say most Because you still have to pay. Because, no matter what, you actually get taxed in the place that you play. So like, obviously, for like half their games when they're at home they'll be fine, but like when he's on the road and goes to play in LA, they tax them every game. You get taxed per game.
Speaker 1:That's fucking wild, so you get taxed wherever you're at, they do that shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that happens in the NFL too.
Speaker 1:I'd spaz the fuck out. I'm crashing the fuck out.
Speaker 2:We gotta go play in LA this week. Crap, I'm getting a third of my check you.
Speaker 1:imagine you've played all your college ball in like fucking Florida.
Speaker 2:Well, your tax NILs, by the way, so like.
Speaker 1:And then like so you're not getting taxed, you're getting like probably 80%, maybe 90% of your money.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say that Probably like 80% Federal tax. Still crazy Cool.
Speaker 1:Probably still like 75, 80%, right yeah. And then you somehow get drafted by a Miami team. Your first two weeks you're just sitting here, man, I'm cool, I'm getting paid, and you pull up to fucking Pittsburgh and they hit you with every fucking tax in the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you're sitting there like whoa.
Speaker 2:This check looked different.
Speaker 1:I'm missing like $1.2 million. What?
Speaker 2:the fuck Is this me? Am I tweaking? Or you go to California or New York where their tax is super high. It's like that's what you're dealing with. So yeah, you get paid, you get taxed for a game, bro you step into the fucking airport like damn, I just lost $3 million.
Speaker 1:What the fuck? Hell? No, I'd be sitting there like hey, I'd be going to the mayor's office like hey, give me my shit. What do you mean? You just taxed me $3 million.
Speaker 2:I don't live here, yeah, give me my shit, which kind of makes sense. Now, this is like why the nfl they do so much signing bonuses? Because that's not per game so you don't get taxed? No, that is lump sum here you go right, or they pay it out per year basis, but that's just a lump sum money starting at the year that you're not worried about whatever state that you're in taxing you on top of it. So like that it makes sense why the signing bonus is such a big deal in the.
Speaker 2:NFL, nba. They're just making a ton more money so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:They're like cool they don't care about the index. Oh, there was a video I was watching. They're doing NBA. Gordon Hayward has made as much money as Patrick Mahomes is going to make.
Speaker 2:Oh, on his one big deal.
Speaker 1:On his one big deal. Gordon Hayward has made that much. Yeah, I think he was like $50 million off. Yeah, this nigga Gordon Hayward didn't do shit. Yeah, what the fuck you know.
Speaker 2:Chris Paul made $400 million in his career Over $390 million in his career.
Speaker 1:I know, yeah, and I sit back like damn.
Speaker 2:No, if you look at the money that NBA players have made and you're looking at like real big money it's kind of crazy. Some of these players are like he's getting paid, what?
Speaker 1:How much Then they were comparing it to the baseball. It was a podcast, oh baseball team and the guy was like whoa. He was like yes, these guys have only made this much. He was like but there's six guys on that staff making that much right. He was like in basketball there's two, maybe one, two people at most and that second guy with the new basketball rules the way they do like you can't even do that first second apron.
Speaker 2:Like they restrict you, like, like if you know if you go over the tax two years in a row that you actually like you, they start freezing first round picks to where you can't trade them, you can't move them and potentially, if you don't get below the second apron in your second year, they'll move your first-round pick all the way into the last pick of the first round.
Speaker 1:They want parity. That bad.
Speaker 2:They want parity. That bad, and the NBA owners don't want teams like Golden State to be able to do what they did bringing in a Kevin Durant. There's huge penalties because that's why all these teams are now breaking up and not paying all these players all their money Other than like the Celtics. The Celtics are, but guess what their ownership group is selling Like, hey, we're willing to make. We now want to sell this team and make $6 billion, like they're done. They went, won their championship and then now they paid everybody, so they're keeping the whole team together and they're going to be over that second apron getting all those we're trying to get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1:But we're getting out.
Speaker 2:So there's like, without a doubt, like there is huge ramifications not only for having to pay the huge going over the cap fee, but now it makes it so hard to move when it comes to moving players around and stuff. Or like when you're trading you can't take more money back than what you give out, so literally it has to be dollar for dollar. Exactly the same, you can't take any more money. So, like they have really restricted these teams from being able to move around once you start going over the certain cap number. So teams like Phoenix, teams like what said, the Celtics, are going to be here soon. There's not going to be a lot of moving you can do unless you get exact, exact numbers.
Speaker 2:That sucks yeah but again they want to parity that bad. These owners do not want to have to keep paying all these big luxury taxes because this is what the owners wanted. They don't want to have to. They want to be able to look at their players and say, hey, I would pay you, but it makes it so hard for us to be able to make moves.
Speaker 1:Give them an out.
Speaker 2:Exactly because these rules wouldn't be in effect if the owners didn't want them.
Speaker 1:Real quick. It shows how little baseball gives a fuck. Well, the baseball's been going on the longest and their players have fought.
Speaker 2:Because, guess what? When the players say, hey, we're going on strike, they're going on strike. They're not playing games. In the same way that the NBA and the NFL, their players are going to cross the picket line, they're going to. They're going to give in In the MLB. When they say, hey, in the next four years, save up all your money, we're going on strike, they're going to. The last time they had a CBA thing, they missed games. Their playoffs had to start late. Like players are more than willing to do what's necessary to get what they want In a way that the other sports it's not the case whatsoever.
Speaker 1:I know, but just in the way of baseball, we have like a $40 or $50 million cap hit this year. You know what the Yankees are about to do Pay it, Pay it Outright. Cool, here you go. Here's my debit card. Like, maybe it's because baseball owners most of them are old money, like super old money and not normal old money. We're talking oil. Old money is what a lot of them are Especially like the bigger ownership groups. In my entire lifetime I don't think it's a year the Yankees haven't been under the cap number.
Speaker 2:Oh, they have. Remember the year they really sucked when they first got Judgen and he started playing well and they almost made the playoffs but didn't make it. Oh, that was like oh yeah, and they were the young scrappy team once made the playoffs but didn't make it. Oh, that was like, oh yeah, and they were the young scrappy team like they.
Speaker 1:They got under the cap. At one point we were hard out, but we weren't, and then they traded for drunk collar stand two seasons later. And then we're back up there, high up in there again I know, but like in baseball, the owners just have the money oh yeah, and they're willing to spend it like if you're we want to win if your team wants to go win, you have the opportunity to to In the NFL.
Speaker 2:Those owners don't want they have a salary cap, not because they need them. They're making billions of dollars a year. Guess what. They want to have a reason to tell these players hey, patrick Mahomes, I can't pay you everything that you want to get paid because, guess what, you're stealing from the other guys on the roster. Or it's like all these players in the NFL aren't getting paid, probably the money they should be, because they have a made-up salary cap, because the owners don't want to go above a certain number. So, like the MLB, I'll give this credit. Is that, hey, if you want to be a team that overspends and goes for it, you can Like there's more than you have to pay the tax for it, the luxury tax. But guess what? You have that avenue. They're not crushing you for going and trying to spend money to go make up your team better. In a way, the NFL is doing it. The NFL has a salary cap so you can't even go over. And then the NBA has now made it so hard to go over the salary cap without taking huge penalties. So I just you know, that's how much they want parity man. At least MLB is like hey, if you want to spend it, go spend it. Every team has the opportunity to if you're willing to and you have the money. It is what it is.
Speaker 2:Chris Paul, golden State did all that. James Harden signs a two-year $70 million deal with the Clippers. That's a lot more money than people thought James Harden was going to get. But with the other moves that you know the clippers were making, they had to pay somebody because they really don't have much else on their roster outside of kawaii.
Speaker 2:Um, dallas gets clay thompson in a sign and trade. Um, they ended up paying him three years, 50 million dollars for essentially two second round picks. So they do the sign and trade with golden state in order to get him under there in their salary cap. Um, apparently this whole last season with clay Thompson has was not necessarily a good experience for him, cause you know they moved him to the bench. Like halfway through the season he was coming off the bench. I could I could tell why, especially before the season started. He was trying to get a contract done with golden state and golden state wasn't willing to go over a certain number. I could see why clay thompson would be upset because guess what? You paid draymond three years a hundred million, like four years a hundred million dollars when he punched turn pool in the face you're pulling the face.
Speaker 2:And they picked between them two. And then they picked draymond. And then guess what? Draymond got suspended for acting a fool last year and guess who's still on the team Draymond. And then, but I'm Clay, I'm the constant professional, I've been the other splash brother for this whole run here, and then I want to get paid. Like it, I put a lot of sweat, like it isn't only Steph Curry's. Steph Curry isn't the only reason this team is what it is now. I'm a pillar pillar of that.
Speaker 2:So the idea that he was going to try to get money for it and he was trying to get paid and the next thing, you know, they're sending him to the bench throughout this season I could totally get why he would want a brand new start if he's going to take that next step in his career where he's not necessarily the guy anymore, he's not necessarily looked at as a first, second, third option. The idea that he can go play with Dallas, play with Luka, play with Kyrie and he won't be looked at as much defensively, and then you could just sit there in the corner, spot up shooter and then get a bunch of assists from Kyrie and Luka, I can see why he'd be willing to take that next step, to kind of go into a new spot where he can have a similar, a similar role that might be able to extend his career. But he can also get paid. So he's getting paid, three years, $50 million, and he'll. Obviously Dallas is like a pretty much a big rival of the golden state warriors, so he'll be able to stick it to the warriors while and be with a better team, because there's like the Warriors aren't necessarily in a good spot right now to be looked at as like their contender.
Speaker 2:And now he's going to be playing with Dallas who just went to the Western Conference Finals, and he'll be able to kind of help with the help them take this get over the hump type of thing and not to mention defensively he'll be able to help out Luka with, because you know Luka is like his biggest thing is his defense and the idea that he can potentially help him out in say hey, luka, I know you're not the best defender, but this is how we can kind of do this as like a team defense type of thing, where Luka isn't sitting out there looking like the worst defender out there.
Speaker 2:He can kind of be more serviceable. So I do feel like he can kind of fill that void, help with three-point shooting, which is what Dallas really needed last year, and then, if he can be sort of okay defensively, it'll be a nice little impact for the Dallas team that needed a lot of three-point shooting last year. So good for Klay Thompson. But it is the end of an era though, because he's now not a Splash Brother anymore, and they asked Steph Curry about it when he was at the uh, us men's basketball stuff. When they did all the press, steph curry was heartbroken about it. But I do feel like, if he really wanted, I feel like it was a thing where everybody knew was better for clay to leave, it was better for both sides for clay to go to a different team, because I do feel like if steph curry have went to the Warriors and said, hey, keep him.
Speaker 1:They would have kept him.
Speaker 2:But I think what Steph Curry still wants he still wants to be competitive, he still wants to try to go win a championship I think he's a good enough person to say, hey, this might be good for somebody else.
Speaker 1:I think there's a double-sided coin of. One he seems like a very, very good teammate. Two, he seems like, hey, I want to win. Yeah, so if this is what's best for you and it's what's best for the team, cool clay.
Speaker 2:Clay thompson was unhappy last year getting paid. I think he was getting paid like 40 million last year, like 38 million, something like that. So if he was unhappy with his role getting paid the money he was going to get paid. Imagine when he's getting paid 2018 million dollars a year playing for that same team that he felt like he helped build. So there's no way, even if he was to just take the money golden state was going to give him, there's no way he was going to be happy because he, because this blood equity he put into that team over the past 13 years. So, like I think it was just a clean break for everybody.
Speaker 2:Golden State can try to say, as if they're going to be, try to make some moves to become a better team and Klay can go play for a contender. That would be a better spot for him. Derek Jones Jr also signed a three-year $30 million deal with the Clippers, so he was also a part of. He was with Dallas last year, obviously, and then he ended up going to the Clippers getting paid his money. They're pretty much exchanging out Klay Thompson for Derek Jones Jr. Derek Jones Jr was a little bit younger, a little better defender, but Klay Thompson's a better shooter. So I do feel like they kind of made a trade for hey, we want to get a little better offensively while taking a little bit of a hit defensively.
Speaker 2:Paul George signs a four-year $212 million deal with the 76ers to team up with Embiid and Maxey, who also got a five-year $204 million extension. That's a big deal If this 76ers team can be healthy, which is a big if because Paul George he was healthy last year relatively and he was able to play. He played a lot of games last year but in bead he always gets hurt at the worst time possible for the 76ers. Maxi turned out to be a really good player. That kind of came into his own last year during the playoffs got hurt late last year?
Speaker 1:yeah, no, I mean maxi, was he hurt? No, maxi he played you sure I think he was hurt during the playoffs.
Speaker 2:No, he played, he played, he was keeping them afloat Like he was getting some big numbers in the playoffs On paper with Paul George on this team. Because apparently he said that during the season the Clippers offered Paul George two years, $60 million for a guy of his stature, offense, defense and all that. And it got to a point where he was like, hey, either give me what Kawhi got because Kawhi got three years $150 million, because you've kind of brought them in together obviously and then, hey, if you want to keep this team together, just pay me what Kawhi got. I don't need to get paid more than Kawhi. Maybe I'll take a little less than him, but get me close to that. Because, hey, I played more games than Kawhi did last year. And guess who actually played during the playoffs? I was healthy.
Speaker 2:Paul George didn't have a great playoffs, but at least he was out there playing, rather than Kawhi, who was also hurt during the playoffs. And guess what? He shows up to USA Men's Basketball for the Olympics and he's already out because his knee is injured. And they didn't say that, but reports are Kawhi's knee kind of is not doing well the surgically repaired one again. So guess what? They're sending him home. So this whole injury thing with Kawhi isn't going to keep going. It's still going to be a thing.
Speaker 2:So the idea that you told Paul George that you weren't going to give him the money he wanted, and by the end, by the time he was ready to go to the 76ers, they offered him that three years, 150. But Paul George was like, hey, don't pay me my money, just to trade me. I want a no trade clause because that's very easy to pay a guy like that and then just trade him. On the back end they did that to. Why am I forgetting his name? He just retired. Oh no, blake Griffin. They paid Blake Griffin his money and then, guess what?
Speaker 1:The next season they send him to Detroit. They did, didn't they? Yeah?
Speaker 2:So he's like, hey, I want to stay here, I'm willing to take a little bit of a pay cut, because he knows he can get $200 million. If he went somewhere else, I will take a pay cut in order to stay here, but just, he can get 200 million go. If you went somewhere else, I will take a pay cut in order to stay here, but just give me a no trade cost. Why no, I'll be here, like you're not just going to trade me somewhere as soon as the season starts, and they weren't willing to do so. So now, guess what? You can go to 76ers. He gets four years, 212 million and he's going to get the money he's so he deserves. And he's going to be on a better team, as long as that team's healthy and they're in the east, which is a lot easier, because in the east it's 76ers, it's boston, um, it's maybe milwaukee, but they're old and not really as good. So like he's in an easier conference on a better team, it's a lot better for everybody and he's getting paid his money.
Speaker 2:And for the 76er side of things, like they really have to go for it because who knows how long this Embiid thing's gonna last. He's been injured last few years, kind of getting injured at the worst times. But like I don't think they can sit there and like really look at that Embiid and say he's gonna be this guy for the next five years. So I do feel like they kind of have to go for it and try to win a championship as soon as possible and getting a guy like Paul George is a definite huge help for that.
Speaker 2:And Tyrese Maxey coming into his own, being the point guard and all is definitely a huge deal If they can have that three headed monster, especially if Paul George can still be a pretty decent defender for them. It definitely, on paper, is a huge deal for that 76ers team to try to take down the Boston Celtics coming off of their championship. Next year. Jason Tatum gets the largest contract in NBA history five years, $314 million deal. In the 28-29 season he will be getting paid over $70 million a year. He'll be the first player to make over $70 million in a season. It doesn't feel right, right, am.
Speaker 1:I crazy he's not that good. Where is he at in the last couple games?
Speaker 2:Who won finals MVP? What the fuck, All right. Who won conference finals MVP?
Speaker 1:Let's stay on the thing of. I've always said Jalen Brown's better. I've always said he's better and I believe he's better. I've always said he's better and I believe he's better.
Speaker 2:I think Tatum is a better overall player.
Speaker 1:I didn't see it.
Speaker 2:But does he have the mentality to take over a game like you necessarily need? I don't think so.
Speaker 1:Hey, I'm going to win this, and I'm going to win this, no matter what's going to happen, but I'm coming out of here with a W.
Speaker 2:Jalen Brown did it all. All the last couple games jalen brown showed out. Even though you know tatum's. He averaged 30 points in the in the finals so like he was there, he was helping. But jason tatum's fingerprints won't be on a basketball game in a way that you think you're gonna be paying a guy 70 million dollars. So when luca gets this deal because Luka is going to be able to sign his extension next year when he is a guy that potentially will get $300 million, over $70 million a year that makes sense Because when Luka plays his fingerprints are all over a basketball game. You can tell he's there. Jason Tatum can go out there his, get his numbers and it felt like he did nothing, because that's the kind of player jason tatum is. He's not a bad player, but he's just. He doesn't feel like a superstar player that like can will his team to kind of, they just want a championship. You did. They just won a championship last year, right, this past, like less than a month ago Are they your favorites for a championship next?
Speaker 1:year no.
Speaker 2:No, that's what I'm saying. They weren't my favorite this year. The only people that are calling them their favorites for next year are like, oh, we have to give them their respect now, but people don't truly believe they are the best team in the NBA, like that's like, and nobody really wants to put all their faith in jalen brown and jason tatum, even though they just won a championship. So the idea that, yes, he gets his money, it's a whole lot of money 300 million dollars it's crazy how, like, how much money is being rolled around. But uh, no, it's a huge contract and he's a great player, maybe, and he's still 25, 26 years old, young but damn.
Speaker 1:That's a lot of money, the money to play to pay a dude who wasn't the best guy in your squad at the end of the year, he was not the best but jaylen brown already already got his money.
Speaker 2:He's getting paid 50 million dollars a year.
Speaker 1:Fucking swap their contracts, god damn.
Speaker 2:But that's the thing with those two being the players that they are. It's crazy the money that they're getting paid Because can you really rely on them on a game-in game-out basis? I don't think you can, even though they just won a championship. It's just crazy that this is even a conversation and like the idea that they just won a chip and neither of them are looked at as like the best players in basketball, like best players in basketball. That's just kind of how this team has gone.
Speaker 1:That's usually what happens once you win a chip. You're usually considered the best players in basketball Right.
Speaker 2:When Jokic won it last year, guess what? Jokic was now considered the best player in basketball. When, before that, giannis won a championship, guess what? He was the best player in basketball.
Speaker 1:And now they're some of the best players, but I don't think anybody looked at you and said best player in basketball exactly either of you exactly they both said you guys are probably top 10, right, but no one said best but nobody's saying top five either. Nobody's saying tatum, the top five player everybody said hey, you, but you were both top 10 top late, later in the top 10, maybe top 15, like nobody sit there.
Speaker 2:Like he's gonna get paid 70 million dollars a year. It's crazy. That's one point in his contract. Um donovan mitchell signs a three-year 150 million dollar max extension with the calves. Honestly, it's a big deal for the calves because calves never keep free agents, especially of donovan mitchell's caliber, especially after this season where donovan mitchell was upset.
Speaker 2:He's looking at like, hey, this team isn't serious, they're not making the moves necessary to try to win games. And he's not talking about the team he's talking about, about the players. He's like, hey, we're not good enough and I don't see the buy-in from the players to try to win a championship. But being able to give Donovan Mitchell that money and he took it is a big deal for them. They'll have to make some moves to kind of get better as a basketball team, especially being in the East. They were fifth seed in the, so it's not like they're a bad team at all, but it's just when they go against the Bostons, when they go against 76ers, like there were going to be an obvious downgrade from them and they won't win those games or those series. But it is a big deal for them to have a guy of his caliber and he took the money that they're willing to give, because you know, other than LeBron, who else have they really gotten? Nobody else has taken their money when they're willing to give it. So like the idea that they, even post LeBron, they're still able to get a guy of Donovan Mitchell's caliber when, when they traded for him and he took their money to be there the next three years, it's a big deal for a team like the Cavs to be able to have a guy like him on their roster.
Speaker 2:Um warriors get buddy healed and Kyle Anderson on signing trades. So essentially, when they let Clay go, they pretty much got these two players in exchange. Not necessarily in the trades themselves, but they were able to get these players because of that. Buddy Heald is a definite help to this Warriors team. He's a shooter. He's a good shooter, help offensively. Defensively he's really not much, but again, they don't really need him for that. And then Kyle Anderson is a good defensive player. He's kind of like a Draymond.
Speaker 2:Great defensive player he is kind of like a Draymond-like and he can come off the bench and kind of be like the next Draymond for the second team.
Speaker 1:True, but he can throw up some more points for Draymond.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, for, sure it's just he yeah.
Speaker 2:And he gets some lobs. He can get some of those little short points getting some close twos. So that's a definite help for this Warriors team. They're not better than what they were before Klay left. They're not a better basketball team as of right now like maybe by a tiny hair. But apparently they're looking at apparently the Warriors looked at it as a team to potentially go after Laurie Markkinen who is on aah team right now. They're like utah's pretty much said hey, if we get up a good enough deal we'll trade him.
Speaker 2:Laurie markkinen on that warriors team would kind of make a big difference it'd be huge I don't think he would make them like title contenders but he would make them a very good team and it'd be a very hard out because adding laurie markkinen, who can shoot, play defense, he like, he's like kind of like a three-way, like he does everything, and him being as tall as he is too, he can kind of guard the four, he can guard a card guard two through five with his size, depending on who they play, because they really don't have a lot of big, a lot of huge bigs in the west. He would be a big deal if they were willing to get him. But nobody is sure if Golden State has the ammo to really go after a lawyer marketing, really give Utah what they want for him. But again, if that's a move they can make, it's it could be a big deal for them to try to, like you know, get back into title contention and kind of be a team that people are scared of in the Western Conference.
Speaker 2:Next one LeBron opts out of this contract and offers to take a pay cut to help get players for Lakers, but all those players don't work out, apparently. Lakers try to go for Klay. Klay told them. No, they try to go for um Buddy healed. He pretty much said no to them too. They tried to go after DeMar DeRozan. He told them no as well. He ended up going to Sacramento. So LeBron didn't end up taking that pay cut, but he ended up getting a two-year $104 million max contract with a player option for the second year and a no-trade clause. Could this be the last contract LeBron signs as an NBA basketball player, pretty much for his career? It's a two-year contract. It's a player option for the second year. Could this be a one-last-year type of thing, because this Lakers?
Speaker 2:team isn't getting better. I think Bronny don't fuck up, he don't score Exactly.
Speaker 1:Every time I see him on the court, I'm like brian, you don't fuck out, he don't score, exactly I. Every time I see him on the court, I'm like it's my fucking, don't look ready dalton connect is the is the three point shooter that they drafted in the first round. He can kind of help them out. He's good, he's, he's helpful.
Speaker 2:But does he make them a title, like they're not a title contender in that west? That is super hard. There is no way you're gonna look at the lakers and be they are going to be a top tier title contender going into next year, especially with LeBron going to be 40 years old In AD. Yes, he played very well last year and he was decently healthy, but can you expect that on a year in, year out basis? I don't think you can. And then with the piece they have around him, I just don't think. With the teams they're going to have to face in the West, where Oklahoma city has, like got a bunch of players, like you have a lot of teams that have kind of built on top of what they already have in a way that the Lakers has it, and, not to mention, they're breaking a new coach, jj Redick Can you expect him to make them a whole lot better? I don't think you can. I think JJ Redick is more of a, a long-term play and when it comes to, hey, let's build a team with a younger coach that can kind of do this for the long term, but he doesn't make them better now, yeah, so like with all that, I just I think this contract for lebron is about playing with this kid. Obviously them drafting brani james and then him kind of writing out the last few years of his career. But I just don't think you can look at them and truly say we're going after championship.
Speaker 2:And they asked him about it. He was asked when he was at the usa men's basketball team uh, stuff for the olympics? Hey, do you reasonably expect you guys to go win a championship next year? Do you think your team is built for it? He said, hey, we did all we can, uh, trying to get other new players. They didn't really. It's a two-way streak, it's a, it's tango. It takes two, two sides to do so. We're gonna go out there and give it our best shot, which is like usually lebron is always like, hey, we're going after a championship. But he didn't really give that answer this time. So I do feel like it's a semblance of an honest answer.
Speaker 2:When it comes to he doesn't see that lakers as a title contention type of team. So could this be the last contract he signs? Yeah, probably, but you know, if he sees that team still sucking and he can still make 50 million dollars a year and the Lakers would have to give it to him, because it's like, without LeBron, where are they going? Are they going to go sign a superstar again? No, because they can't get a guy to add to their team now. So I just don't. I don't think this Lakers team is a very well-run organization and I feel like the only thing that's kept them afloat is having LeBron over the last. How long has he been there? Seven years, no, five years, five.
Speaker 1:Seven my bad, my bad Since COVID, since COVID.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so like he is the only reason this team has done anything, and before him it was a decade of nothingness, pretty much before, and then Kobe like the ending of Kobe, and then kobe like the ending of kobe, and then after that they were a middling team like. This is not a well-run team, and I think lebron has kind of kept this team afloat and without him they won't be nothing.
Speaker 2:so I do feel like if lebron wants to stick around it's like you know, into his old age, they'll be more than happy to keep him. Uh, bull, send demar de rosen to sacramento the sacramento kings, in a three-team trade, getting Chris Duarte and two second round picks, effectively, effectively starting the rebuild in Chicago that has been needed. Somebody put this in a perfect way that I was listening to on a podcast. It sucks that in a three-team trade the Bulls were giving up the best player and there was a first round pick given there was a first round pick given there was a first round pick swap that was given out and it wasn't given to them, it was given to San Antonio in this whole deal. So the idea that they gave up the best player in DeMar DeRozan and they didn't get the best part of the deal is kind of crazy.
Speaker 2:But again, that's kind of the spot you're in when you're a Bulls team that is trying to bottom out and trying to go for a rebuild and every other team knows it, like they know, they don't have to give you expensive pieces that are going to be very good in the future because they know, hey, if you don't get rid of them now. How are you going to get rid of him? Or you lose him for nothing in free agency. So the Bulls are in a definitely a bad spot and they're still trying to get rid of uh, why am I still trying to get rid of Zach Levine as well? So like the Bulls are in a bad spot where even even the players that are still talented, every team in the league just knows, hey, we can just wait and we can get them for a better deal because the Bulls aren't going to do nothing else. They.
Speaker 2:It sucks to the Bulls fan because I don't feel like I'm not as emotional about it. I feel like I've been very good about detaching myself emotionally from this Bulls team because they've been bad for so long, but when I really think about it for too long, it's embarrassing how bad this Bulls team is, not only from the front office but downward from that. And they truly need a guy like Cooper Flagg next year to try to, you know, suck for him in order to turn this team around. And it just sucks. They just don't know how to do it. Like if they could have a bad record last, next year and still get the third pick overall and then not get the guy they want. So it's embarrassing overall being a bullshitter right now.
Speaker 1:So you know it's always like that.
Speaker 2:It is DeMar DeRotis. Is Rosen in that deal? Like that? It is uh. Demar de rodas is frozen in that deal, gets a three-year 74 million dollar deal from the kings. He helps that sacramento team. He doesn't help defensively, like that team is not gonna play a lot of defense at all, playing next to uh. Why am I forgetting their names for the sack for sacramento? The kings, yeah who the players we play with. I forget their names. Why am I forgetting their names?
Speaker 1:Yeah, deandre Fox, demonta, sabonis, DeAaron.
Speaker 2:Fox and DeMonta Sabonis. Demondre Fox, it's DeAaron Fox.
Speaker 1:I know DeMondre is the name of another player.
Speaker 2:But yes, he's going to pretty much be inserted into that starting lineup. It's not going to help them defensively at all. They're going to be trying to score a lot of points, but with a with the west, that's getting a lot better. It's good to be able to add another ball handler to help out deer and fox be able to help out scoring, so you can't necessarily focus on one or the other. Um, even though even though de rosen can't really score threes like he's not a three-point shooter at all, but he has a very good score. I think he averaged like 25 last year. So the idea that you can add a guy like that to that Sacramento roster would definitely be good. And not to mention, the Kings were so bad for so long. The idea that they can be a good team that can make the playoffs and get into the first, maybe the second round is definitely a big deal for them. Two years ago they got into the second round and they beat a Lakers team in the I think, lakers team. No, they beat Golden State in the first round of the playoffs. Last year they didn't make the playoffs but again, being able to add a guy like DeRozan to help them out, it just keeps them as a good team. Sometimes there are teams that don't necessarily have to be going for a championship but they can just say, hey, we just want to be a good team, that's in contention, to kind of do some things in the playoffs and they, you can be content with that. So definitely good for them. Good for DeMar DeRozan he can kind of go closer to where he he came from when in California.
Speaker 2:And then NFL news. I think that's all it on the NBA stuff. Nfl news, I don't have a lot. Steelers cornerback Cam Sutton, suspended for eight games for the NFL for domestic violence incident, the one that got him dropped by the Lions in the first place. I'm not happy about it. I didn't really look into it when he signed there. I just I maybe this is me being naive as a fan just saying, hey, the Steelers know him, they know him well enough. They hopefully they looked into it. It's not too bad. Apparently it was pretty bad. He had to turn himself into the authorities. There was a warrant out for his arrest. It wasn't good and the Steelers took a chance on it and guess what? It's blown up in their faces.
Speaker 2:He won't be playing for the first half of the season and I don't know even if I want him on the team after he is done with the suspension, with looking at how bad it was. So it's definitely not a good, a good deal for them, for the Steelers, and they pretty much signed him for nothing anyway. So even if they do drop him, it's not like they're losing a ton of money. But you know it's a bad look. It's definitely a bad look for the organization and for Cam Sutton.
Speaker 2:Maybe he learned from me he's a better person from it. But again, after doing something like that you can't just assume he's going to be a better person. Because he gets suspended for eight games if anything is enabled because guess what, I can do something bad and still be around. So it'd be on a go back on a football team. But no, that's uh, definitely not a definitely not. And he's not going to appeal the punishment either. So he is going to accept the eight games and he's going to be good to go. But you know it just kind of sucks. That's a whole bad deal.
Speaker 2:um, former nfl player makes a statement about Lamar Jackson. I forget his name, but he used to work for ESPN and he was doing it on this podcast. He talked about how Lamar Jackson is a great player, but he is mediocre in the playoffs and has little excuses left to use. Is there truth to that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, there is Every other quarterback. Oh fuck, I guess no one else in this fucking division has been past the first round in forever. Goddamn. Every other top 10 quarterback or top 5 quarterback has a playoff experience. They have at least one around and they were never the best team. The Bengals were the best team going in. The Chiefs aren't always the best team going in.
Speaker 2:The Ravenals were the best team going in. The Chiefs aren't always the best team going in. The Ravens were looked at as the best AFC team last year going into the playoffs they were looked at as the best team in the NFL going into the playoffs.
Speaker 1:Last year Y'all were looked at a lot for the Super Bowl and you got to who they play.
Speaker 2:The Chiefs in the AFC title game.
Speaker 1:And like everybody else, you were. They crumbled. They crumbled offensively. And again, I'm not saying it's a dish against them. Everybody does it. I don't know why everybody does it. It's just the fucking Chiefs. It's like the.
Speaker 2:Tom Brady thing. Now I do feel like you can totally look at it as like hey, we see.
Speaker 1:Patrick Mahomes we crumble and that's fine, but again, this is from Bengals fans' standpoint. I don't have this problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, this is not a problem we have.
Speaker 1:Right, we can do it. We're 3-1 against him right now. Yeah, this is not a problem we have. Joe Burrow is fucking Patrick Mahomes. Eli Manning, he just couldn't do it. Twice Couldn't do it. Twice Couldn't do it. Brady couldn't do it. Eli's the most normal motherfucker in the world. He don't have shit else. Eli's going to make the Hall of Fame off those two fucking Super Bowls.
Speaker 2:Yes, he is, and it's because he played Tom Brady. Give him a little bit of credit. His Manning last name also helps.
Speaker 1:True, and his 50-50 record don't help, but you beat Tom Brady twice In games that you were hot, we will give you that.
Speaker 2:Oh, he had two incredible playoff runs.
Speaker 1:Incredible Now your defense did push you there, but you also threw the touchdowns to win those games. So you know we have to let you in for that. Yeah, but unlike Eli Manning, Joe Burrow's talented yeah, Eli was talented, but he just didn't. You know, he just didn't have a lot of wins. He was even. Yeah, he broke even.
Speaker 2:True? No, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1:I understand, but you guys got away from what got you there.
Speaker 2:They didn't run the football at all. They barely ran the football. You stopped running the football. They keep giving them first-round receivers. You can't use the excuse the Ravens aren't helping him because they just gave them Zay Flowers last year.
Speaker 1:They keep giving him first round receivers that haven't worked out they're supposed to do. They give you speedy receivers because that team really likes speedy receivers. I understand not having Mark Andrews sucks, and he was the one.
Speaker 2:They have a good backup.
Speaker 1:That was a Lions DB that got him yeah.
Speaker 2:They have a really good backup. Tight end, though, isaiah, likely Very good, it's just.
Speaker 1:You guys had no reason to crumble. You guys were better than the Chiefs, and if you would have gotten, to the. Super Bowl, you would have already proved you were better than the Niners.
Speaker 2:And he didn't play all that great in that game, even though they let him throw the football a lot, and he didn't play great. He didn't Lamar Jackson didn't play great. He didn't Lamar Jackson didn't play great.
Speaker 1:He himself almost reverted to what he normally did. Right, he wanted to run.
Speaker 2:No, he didn't want to run. That's the thing. He wouldn't run, that's the. Was that the thing?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't. He stayed back there in the pocket and he would not run the football, even though he had opportunities to and he could have. What he brings to the table is his running ability on top of his passing ability. I'm not saying he is a guy that can't pass football, but what makes him special is being able to run the run around as another weapon on the field, and he didn't do that in the playoff game. When they, when they needed it, they did it. Yes, you are a good passer. You proved it last year, where you can be a great player, but as as an MVP candidate, a guy that can show that, you have to be able to be what your team needs you to be.
Speaker 1:You need to will your team to victory, and this is where I think it may separate him compared to the other great quarterbacks. A lot of the other great quarterbacks I've watched them will their team to victory.
Speaker 2:Mahomes will be whatever his team needs him to be. If you need him to be the great rocket arm quarterback from the from behind the line of scrimmage, he can do that. If you need him to extend plays and run, he'll do that too.
Speaker 1:There's so many, whatever his team, there's so many quarterbacks that can do that, even guys like josh allen, joe burrow, josh allen too, I know you.
Speaker 2:Yes, I get it. He doesn't have the wins 37 0, 37 14 yeah, I know. But but josh allen last year against the chiefs when they had the chiefs at home, he wasn't the reason they lost that game.
Speaker 2:I saw stefan diggs drop a wide open catch fuck I hated that he throws a 50 yard bomb right into stefan, digs his hands and he drops it. Josh allen can be what his team needs. If you need to be a bruiser runner, he'll do that. 50-yard bomb right into Stefan Diggs' hands and he drops it. Josh Allen can be what his team needs. If you need him to be a bruiser runner, he'll do that. If you need him to be a passer, he'll do that too. Like I, can get behind the idea that Lamar Jackson has been mediocre in the playoffs, because once it's time to get there and it's time to do the job he fizzles out, there's guys who are mediocre, and they're a great team in the regular season they are, but there's a lot of teams who are not great in the regular season.
Speaker 1:They get to that playoffs and it's a fucking switch.
Speaker 2:Right, they're lethal. Kansas City struggled all year. Last year, guess what, once they got to the playoffs, you couldn't beat them.
Speaker 1:We are different, it's just I don't know, I haven't have a quarterback. That's the thing. That's what teams are missing Sometimes. You need the quarterback is where, hey, we're going to get you through this. I watched Joe Burrow for fucking three straight games.
Speaker 1:He went out there and got fucking abused back there. You know what he does. In each one of those games he threw three plus touchdowns, no interceptions. He threw one interception in the first game and then I think he threw one in the Titans game, but nine sacks. I think it was hit nine times yeah.
Speaker 2:He had.
Speaker 1:No, he had negative time in the pocket, but he did what was necessary to win the football game and even during had one more second. Jamar Chase downfield, yeah.
Speaker 2:In the video.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Fuck Um.
Speaker 2:But he was there. He'll keep talking about that forever, guys.
Speaker 1:Forever Nigga I don't have a Super Bowl, I'm allowed to talk about this shit forever. Oh, I know, and it's not like we're the fucking Panthers and we got beat the fuck up 2015. No, no, we were down by three, you're not wrong. No, we were down by fucking two. I'm talking. If we throw that football, jamar takes it and goes out of bounds. Edmund.
Speaker 2:Pearson drills that fucking kick yeah.
Speaker 1:But then again, I'm not giving the ball back to Matthew Stafford for 14 seconds. Fuck that.
Speaker 2:Fuck that. Matthew Stafford's on fire. Fuck that.
Speaker 1:I'm not giving that ball back to him On fire Heyman Cooper Cup.
Speaker 2:Fuck that. That no-look pass One of the most special things I've ever seen.
Speaker 1:Fuck that Matthew Stafford. Everybody called Brady the comeback kid. Matthew Stafford did that shit all the what was it 2016? Where he? They went, I think they were 10-7. And nine of those games they had to come back from a deficit. And Matthew Stafford, I think he's a fucking cucumber.
Speaker 2:He's that dude man.
Speaker 1:He's over there yelling at his wide receivers get out of bounds. And then clocking the ball, yeah, and just fucking hurling that thing I. He is one of those quarterbacks of there's too much time on the clock. Yeah, 14 seconds is too much fucking time.
Speaker 2:There's no play on the no throw. He cannot make. No throw. He cannot make. Exactly I'm talking.
Speaker 1:We are going to snap this ball three more times just to fucking waste time. And then I need you to throw that bitch out of bounds. I don't care how much time you take, Make sure there is two seconds Snap place kick. But back to my point is Joe Burrow can do that, Matthew Stafford can do that and Rodgers has done that. They all, hey, we can do this. Cool, calm, cool. They push past every adversity. They can get to the moment. They're rising to the occasion.
Speaker 2:I will be whatever I need for my team. You don't do that in the playoffs. Yeah, that is what matters most.
Speaker 1:You can go 10-7 in the North. You can't go 10-7. I understand AFC North. You can't go 10-7. I understand AFC North. You cannot go 10-7.
Speaker 2:That's the thing that hasn't been their problem. They've been amazing in the regular season and then you go fizzle out in the playoffs.
Speaker 1:You don't do anything in the playoffs, right? Your best season in the playoffs was where you almost beat the Bengals during the year we went to the Super Bowl year after because lamar was hurt. Yeah, this two years ago, that was your best year and lamar wasn't at the helm.
Speaker 2:Huntley was, and that motherfucker did everything yeah, he ran, he threw and lamar is a two-time mvp now, like he has no excuse and they keep giving him weapons out the wazoo. You got to do some shit. So, like you have, like he can, he doesn't have the excuse. His team's not helping him. The ravens are a well-worn organization that gives them everything he's needed and they haven't gone over the hump. And that has to be. That has to be on the mar at some point too. Yes, at some point.
Speaker 1:Well, if I'm one of Ravens to the Ravens organization. I'm looking over across the fucking state away at the Bengals, like hey, joe Burrow's done this twice in two years, and in two in both years he won it once and then was damn close to winning it the second time so what are you doing right?
Speaker 2:and he has no mvps right.
Speaker 1:So what are you doing? How do we get like your? Your defense is better than the bangles you have fucking dbs you have a better run game than we do coach. You have a better. Oh fuck, yeah, you have a better coach. You have a better O-line. Only thing we are truly better than you at is receiver, and then quarterback. Yeah, we're the best in the North at quarterback.
Speaker 2:They literally just signed one of the best running backs of the last 10 years. So like I don't, understand why you. They gave him Derrick Henry. Now you have no excuse. This is your year to.
Speaker 1:You have to prove it. You have no excuse. This is your year to have to prove it. You have to prove you are the guy.
Speaker 2:If you have another second round, exit. I just don't think they can blame anybody but Lamar.
Speaker 1:Dude, look at this.
Speaker 2:Because, again, the Ravens are going to be a great regular season team. They're going to win most of their games. They're going to win 11, 12, 13, 14 games and they're going to make the playoffs. They're going to be one of the higher-end teams in the regular season. They're going to make the playoffs and if they lose again in the second round, who?
Speaker 1:are you?
Speaker 2:going to blame now.
Speaker 1:Dude, please, you guys have got to do something.
Speaker 2:One of the best coaches in the NFL in John Harbaugh. That's not going to happen.
Speaker 1:Fuck no.
Speaker 2:John Harbaugh plays.
Speaker 1:I'm giving you players and you're just not achieving.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That's where the Ravens would probably be good of like hey, we can't blame John Harbaugh, oh no, no, no, he's done everything.
Speaker 2:Maybe you could blame the office coordinator last year, because he's just not necessarily the greatest of play callers, and that's fine. But again you're Lamar Jackson. You have, and you have an opportunity to say, hey, this is what we should run, because you're that dude, you're getting paid, like that dude. So like, hey, if the office coordinator is not telling you you can run the football, hey, I'm going to do what I want, because we need to win this football game.
Speaker 1:Dude, it's like college. I'm going to override you. It's like college football. You got hot routes.
Speaker 2:now, bro, you can call whatever, play you want of that offense to do so, and he didn't do that last year. So, like, if this happens again, they're going to have to start pointing their fingers at you as the quarterback, the guy at the helm.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you saw it, joe Burrow, last year he was mic'd up and he was calling a play. He was hearing the play and calling it and midway he stopped. He was like that's dumb. It was the Niners game is. When he did this. He was here and he was like it was like Alpha, niner, whatever, whatever. And he stopped. He was like because I don't know if they can call back out, but he turned and he was like and he turned back.
Speaker 1:He was like they just called a run play. He was like we're not doing that and I was like you're allowed to do that. You're allowed to do that. You're that dude and you know what. I think that was where Chase just fucking burned downfield.
Speaker 2:We threw a touchdown on that one.
Speaker 1:If you're a guy of that caliber, you can make audibles of the line, If you understand the situation and you understand where you're at and they call a pass play when you're only three yards away and you feel like you can get a run play call it.
Speaker 2:Especially if your guy has talent, as Lamar Jackson, you can get the three yards by yourself, by yourself.
Speaker 1:Because they're going to go back and try to catch a pass because you've been throwing so often. That's what made you so lethal last year. You were throwing so much. They had to take linebackers off the line Right. They had to push out their middle linebackers and that's when you were getting your 10, 15-yard scampers Exactly. I don't know man.
Speaker 2:I get the point that the guy was making when he said Lamar Jackson was mediocre in the playoffs. He is, and that's okay, that's okay, and he has an opportunity to get better, but he has to at some point. You can't sit here and do this forever. It's not at some point.
Speaker 1:You have no option because the division only gets better, as you, as you guys say, stagnant. Yeah, I understand the Ravens are always competitive, but eventually you're not a point toward the other. They're all four teams Steelers always gonna be competitive, but now you have all four teams are competitive. So you have to try harder because you're going to be playing one of these two.
Speaker 2:The AFC is not getting any easier. No, it getting any easier anytime soon. All right, it's not continue. All right, we'll do our rankings now. Yeah, all right. As I mentioned earlier, we're going to be doing our running back rankings in our in our pass rusher rankings, slash defense event. Um, jace, would you like to go first? You want me to go first, running backs or defense?
Speaker 1:events. Would you like me to start with let's do. It's pass rushers.
Speaker 2:Let's do dm sorry my bad um my dn Passers ranking. Whatever it is. Number one, I got TJ Watt. Number two I got Miles Garrett. Number three Max Crosby. Number four Nick Bosa. Number five Trey Hendrickson. Number six Michael Parsons. Number seven Aiden Hutchinson. Number eight Josh Allen. Number nine Danielle Hunter or is it Daniel Hunter?
Speaker 1:It's Daniel Hunter.
Speaker 2:Daniel Hunter and the number 10, montrez Sweat. That's fine, my 10. Again, jason was looking at me there while I was saying my rankings and he's like I can almost tell he was like, hey, where are you putting Michael Parsons at? Because I kept going and going and not saying his name. But this is where my idea is, because if you look up best defensive ends in the NFL, everybody's going to be sucking on Michael Parsons' penis saying, hey, he's the best defensive end in the NFL. Saying, hey, he's the best defensive end in the NFL.
Speaker 2:His advanced metrics are great, he has the best advanced stats, his pass rush win rate is amazing and I'm not going to go all the way into my whole thing about this. But if you aren't getting the sacks and you aren't getting the fumbles, you're not getting picks, you're not getting the forced fumbles, like all those things. All those things that really make an instant impact on whether you win or lose a football game. Just because you won your pass rush doesn't mean you're getting to the quarterback and getting a sack fumble, or doesn't mean you're getting that sack on the crucial third down, like all those, the big stats that people like to not talk about when it comes to Micah Parsons, those are the stats that impact football games and Micah Parsons just so happens to not be good at those.
Speaker 2:So the idea that that is the case, on top of the fact that Micah Parsons sucks when it comes to defending against the running game, he kind of gets just he got it's bullied against bigger offensive tackles when they're coming after him and just trying to bull rush him. So, with all that being the case, micah Parsons does not deserve to be in the top five because he needs to. I'm not saying he doesn't have the talent to be a top five player, but he needs to progress in other areas in his game in order to actually earn himself to be up there and not just be saying, hey, the advanced stats really look good for him. I'm not one of those. Like, get the stats that actually impact football games, please Go ahead, chase.
Speaker 1:You good, yeah, kind of going off over there.
Speaker 2:I said before the podcast started, micah Parsons is to me what Josh Allen is to you. I hear his name and I freak out Like that's exactly what it is. Oh hell, if I hear his name and I freak out, that's exactly what it is. Whenever Michael Parsons is talked about, it's a direct impact on TJ Watt, because TJ Watt is everything Michael Parsons isn't.
Speaker 2:TJ Watt's a real leader, tj Watt, actually does everything on the football field. When you're out there, you feel him. Michael Parsons, that's not necessarily the case. Now you can go. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I case now you can go. I'm sorry I gotta get my feelings there a little bit. My bad um you good, all good, all right. I have tj watt, nick bosa, miles garrett, michael parsons, troy hendrickson, max crosby, josh allen, daniel hunter, hassan reddick and montez sweat I thought about hasan Redick.
Speaker 2:He's probably an honorable mention for me.
Speaker 1:He's at eight, he's at nine, and then Montez Sweat's at ten, and then my honorable mentions are, will Anderson Jr being his second year.
Speaker 2:He didn't have a lot of sack numbers last year, but he was an impact. He was everywhere.
Speaker 1:And I think going into this next year he's going to be even better. Yeah, and then Kayvon Thibodeau, who's just on a bad defensive team.
Speaker 2:You know what's funny? They added Hunter in the offseason. So like they're going to have a guy on the other side of him.
Speaker 1:And it's going to make it easier for him. So they're going to have a two-headed TJ. Waps is only like 24. His was the next highest K-1 Thibodeau 61%. Because they're like, hey, if we just block that guy, none of these other scrubs are getting through.
Speaker 2:I should have had Thibodeau in. He probably was one I don't want to mention.
Speaker 1:I don't want to mention because he was good. It's just, your numbers don't reflect how good you are, because you're the only guy on your defense.
Speaker 2:They have a really good linebacker but he's a linebacker. Oh, they have a good defensive lineman. They have a good defensive tackle too. Oh, yes, I know who you're talking about, From Clemson.
Speaker 1:Yes, but he's a pressure guy and a run stopper. He's not a. I'm going to get to the quarterback guy.
Speaker 2:Right but overall which? Is why they got Fast off. Yes, which is?
Speaker 1:also going to help, because then Brian Burns is Fred Warner-like.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's going to get after the quarterback. Yes, he is, that's his thing.
Speaker 1:But I just thought Kayvon Thibodeau deserves an honorable mention because he's so good and so young. It's just he doesn't have the same production. Yeah, same as Wander Jr. They both were impact players. Yeah, their production is just a little lower because they're the best guys in their defense trying to do other things. They're trying to do everything at once.
Speaker 2:No doubt, where'd you have Michael Parsons?
Speaker 1:Four, okay, one before Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 2:I gave Trey Hendrickson the nod over him because he had the sack numbers. Last year he proved he was out there making a difference on that team.
Speaker 1:I feel like I put Trey Hendrickson low. I don't think I can put him top three. I think he see I say that. But he beats Myles Garrett in every stat and he's only second to TJ in every other stat. But again, I don't know. Personally I feel like he is two because he he beats everybody else in stats except TJ Watt. They go bang for bang for interceptions, forced fumbles, tackles and he's just slightly behind. He's 1.5 behind in sacks. So statistically he is number two, but factually he won't have this year again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:And these other guys will have the same numbers they had this year TJ Myles, garrett, max Crosby, nick Bosa, they'll have the same numbers? Yeah, now put them over Max Crosby, because Max Crosby doesn't get interceptions.
Speaker 2:That's true. Max Crosby is the only guy on that defense. He is the only guy on the defense Max Crosby's six for me he shows up.
Speaker 1:Max Crosby's six for me. I just think Trey Hendrickson had 17 and a half sacks. I have to give you credit for that. I think Crosby had 17. Yeah, but Trey Hendrickson also had two interceptions. Makes sense and three forced rumbles.
Speaker 2:So Totally makes sense, I gotta give it to you.
Speaker 1:Josh Allen, who's just a monster on a not great Jacksonville team, yeah. And then I have Hassan Reddick, who's really really good. I have to know Hunter, who's also really good.
Speaker 2:Heck Hassan Reddick is with the Jets right now.
Speaker 1:He is.
Speaker 2:And he hasn't shown up to camp at all because they haven't paid him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They traded for him, not thinking that he was going to want to get paid. It's kind of crazy how that works.
Speaker 1:And then I have Montez Sweat, who was traded, and then his numbers shot to the roof.
Speaker 2:Yeah, with the Bears. Last year he was a monster 12 and a half sacks.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And then he had two forced fumbles, yeah, and I believe, one interception. His numbers went straight up Him and Chase Young. Yeah, they got away from somewhere.
Speaker 2:He didn't shoot up, but he got better as the year went on and he did pretty well in the playoffs. I'll give him that.
Speaker 1:Where was Chase Young before that? He was a commander, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then he got traded to San Fran and then now he's going to be with the Saints this upcoming season. So he'll be on a good defense, He'll be able to make an impact, but he's coming off an injury, A veteran defense too. Your list is good. I like yours.
Speaker 1:I don't. Michael Parsons is good, it's just you can't stop the run. You can't stop the run, man, you can't. All these other guys can stop the run.
Speaker 2:All these advanced stats. Man, I don't want to hear it, no more.
Speaker 1:I don't want to hear.
Speaker 2:The fact that you need context. Oh, it adds context to everything. I don't need context. I don't need fucking context. Go out there. What are his stats?
Speaker 1:Right, this motherfucker he only has. He has decent numbers and he has a lot of tackles, but it's just not the other dudes.
Speaker 2:You're not the other guys, and I get it. He is amazing. He's everywhere on the football field but at the same time at some point you have to go out there and do the job, dude, you're everywhere, but in the fucking A-gap because you can't fucking block and you're getting freaking, mowed over by these big offensive tackles, when they don't have to worry about you getting around them. They just want to. Hey, just pancake him on the ground. Guess what he's getting pancaked. He gets pancaked a lot it is what you're not pancaking.
Speaker 2:TJ Watt and Max Crosby and Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1:You're not pancaking them, you're not pancaking the rest of these guys on the list. Micah Parsons is getting pancaked, because if I'm a left guard, I'm going to look at you like I'm going to push as hard as I can against you.
Speaker 2:I have almost 100 pounds on this dude You're going to fold like a folding chair.
Speaker 1:Fold, Fold him.
Speaker 2:I'm going to push you over and I'm going to lay on top of you, so that happens to you and you don't have the sack numbers and you don't have all those other things. I don't care about these advanced stats, man.
Speaker 1:It's bullshit.
Speaker 2:BS.
Speaker 1:I'm going to move the running backs. You go first running backs. I did 15, because I got 10 and then three honorable mentions. I did straight up 15, because I was like damn, there's a lot of good fucking running backs.
Speaker 2:There's a lot, there's a lot. I was a lot of rookies too.
Speaker 1:I kept myself to those three honorable mentions. I couldn't, I couldn't do it. I was, I made a list and it got deleted and then I was like, oh, let me go back through it. And I was looking. I was like some of these running backs don't have a lot of rushing yards, but they're Yards are crazy. Number one CMC Makes sense. Number two is Kyron Williams.
Speaker 2:Dang.
Speaker 1:Fuck ton of yards.
Speaker 2:Dang. That might be the biggest difference in our list. He had a ton of yards on a not great offense. He was awesome.
Speaker 1:On a not great offensive line he had 300 receiving yards. That's really good. Number three is Derrick Henry.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:He had a bunch of yards, a bunch of touchdowns.
Speaker 2:Our lists are very different.
Speaker 1:Number four is James Cook.
Speaker 2:I heard the lists are way different.
Speaker 1:Again, he was very, very good. Had a bunch of receiving yards and a decent amount of my bad. Had a bunch of rushing yards and a decent amount of receiving yards. Joe Mixon number five what? Our lists are so list he had 400 receiving yards and 1100 rushing yards. What are we doing? Number six is Bijan Robinson.
Speaker 2:He might be the one. I don't even have him on my list. What the fuck that might have been a mess up on my list you a crackhead you smoking. I can admit, that's an oversight. Oversight by me, oversight, oversight, oversight by me, oversight, tweaking.
Speaker 1:Oversight. Number seven is Bright Breesall. Okay, eight is Rashad White. Okay 990 yards 680 reception yards. He looks like the second coming of CMC. Tell me I'm wrong. He looked like the second coming of CMC Behind no O-line Tweak out CMC. Tell me I'm wrong. He looked like the second coming of CMC, behind no O-line Tweak out. Go ahead. Tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 2:Their offensive line is actually not bad. The Buccaneers, their offensive line ain't bad, they're not good, they're not a good pass rushing offensive line, pass blocking offensive line.
Speaker 1:He had 680 of those. So what the fuck are we talking about? No good player, deandre Swift. Why do you know what I'm at? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
Speaker 2:Deandre.
Speaker 1:Swift at 9. Jameer Gibbs at 10. He had 1,100 receiving yards with 400 reception yards. I agree with you?
Speaker 2:No, he deserves to be on the list.
Speaker 1:Travis Etienne's 11. I agree with you. No, he deserves to be on the list. Travis Etienne's 11. He had a lot. Why I hate Travis Etienne? Why?
Speaker 2:He is the most when you actually need him to go run the football. He's not a guy to give up in tackles. I don't give him any respect, Kenny.
Speaker 1:Walker's 12. He had a decent amount of yards. He is running behind no line. He had a decent amount of yards. He is running behind no O-line. He had 990, and he got better at receiving.
Speaker 2:I would have him higher on my list. He seemed like a boomer bus guy. Either he'll have an awesome game where he runs for 20 yards, or he'll do absolutely nothing, true, but again, where he was doing absolutely nothing is where he needed his O-line yeah for sure.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm like I'm going to put you here. He'd be an honorable mention, because I'm like you just don't have the O-line that these other guys do. He was on my honorable mentions as well.
Speaker 2:I'll give it up, yes.
Speaker 1:He's 12. And then Isaiah Pacheco. He does a lot for his team. He's a very hard runner. He's very, very good and he is a second and third down and back. If I can give it to you on second, then you better get the first down on third. Then I have David Montgomery. I think he's nowhere near as good as Jameer Gibbs. I think he's the two back in my eyes. I think Jameer Gibbs does everything else he receives. He runs. He's another guy that I'm like him and Montgomery's a freaking touchdown vulture.
Speaker 1:He is but the same way he went to the Saints. What's his name? Not Alvin Kamara, the other guy. He had the most touchdowns by any running back two years ago. Oh well, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about Touchdown, Walter, it's third down on the goal line and that's who you're giving it to. He's getting the touchdown and then James Connors 15.
Speaker 2:Okay, alright, our list is very different, sir.
Speaker 1:Okay, and I know you're gonna be mad at me If I hear Josh Jacobs bitch ass, fucking name.
Speaker 2:Number one CMC. Number two Jonathan Taylor. Who Jonathan Taylor For the Colts?
Speaker 1:Uh huh.
Speaker 2:Number three Bijan, Number four. Saquon Barkley, Number five. Derrick Henry, Number six.
Speaker 1:What the fuck, jonathan Taylor? Yeah, what the fuck are you ranking them on?
Speaker 2:I am not only doing it on just stats, but I'm also doing it based off impact on your team and the this nigga had no impact and no stats. What was the stats?
Speaker 1:741 yards for seven touchdowns.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh. And what was his perceiving?
Speaker 1:153 yards.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, andrew last year, but still, I still consider him A top five back.
Speaker 1:He was three.
Speaker 2:Uh huh, what the.
Speaker 1:Three he didn't, I had him two. What the fuck is wrong with you? He wasn't even close to 1,000 yards.
Speaker 2:He was close to 800 yards. That's yeah, nigga, he got injured last year.
Speaker 1:There ain't a dude on my list under 900.
Speaker 2:Okay, what the fuck? I'm not looking at just stats. I'm looking at the impact on your team. That's what I'm looking at. What impact? Nigga wasn't playing. When he was playing, he was a monster and he's still one of the best running backs in the league, as long as he's healthy.
Speaker 1:He's great, All right bro.
Speaker 2:I said four Saquon. Number five Derrick Henry. Number six Nick Chubb. Just because Duke got his ACL taken doesn't mean he's not a top Nick. What the fuck is wrong? You are fucking tweaking. I'm giving Nick Chubb his credit because he still deserves to be top 10 back. This is his second.
Speaker 1:ACL, I don't know what you are and I don't know what you are going to be. You can't get on the list if I don't know what you are, if I don't know what you're going to be. Same way for the Ed Rusher from the Dolphins Dude that's last year Popped his Achilles, You're not wrong. Yes, he didn't make my list. He should have, because he was a top 10 Ed Rusher before he got hurt. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 2:What the fuck, nick Chubb, I can tell you what the fuck.
Speaker 1:No, Jonathan Taylor's fucking bullshit Number two you're fucking smoking crack. You are fucking high seven Bruce Hall.
Speaker 2:He was seven for me Number eight, Jameer Gibbs.
Speaker 1:Nigga. Okay, okay, Okay okay. I was about to say that's so fucking high.
Speaker 2:Number nine Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 1:Fuck no.
Speaker 2:He had over a thousand yards.
Speaker 1:Jace and.
Speaker 2:He fits your criteria, you just hate. You just hate Josh Jacobs, because that nigga's not that fucking good he had over 1,000 yards last year, bro.
Speaker 1:That's not impressive. I had 15 of the niggas that did the same thing. He averaged over five yards a carry. I had 15 of the niggas that did the same shit and had more receiving yards because that nigga got stoned for hands.
Speaker 2:Fuck you, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:He's a running back. Oh cool, tell it to CMC the best running back.
Speaker 2:Number 10, isaiah, get better production.
Speaker 1:Fuck off, fuck off your list, fucking sucks. Maybe, no, nigga, your list fucking sucks.
Speaker 2:I don't think it does.
Speaker 1:You have a shitty list.
Speaker 2:I don't think so. The Nick Chubb thing, yes, I can agree. Maybe it was more off of what he is. Nick Chubb is a motherfucking dealer.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm done, I'm done. Get the fuck out of here. Your list is so ass.
Speaker 2:Your list is so, ass, mike, you can't always be just numbers, you can't.
Speaker 1:It's numbers based on what I think they're going to continue to do. You put two motherfuckers that are coming off. Jonathan Taylor's been injured for two straight years. Nick Chubb is on his second fucking.
Speaker 2:ACL. Jonathan Taylor did not have an ACL injury. He Tyler did not have an ACL injury. He was coming off of the idea that he did not do anything in the preseason, which also helped with running backs coming not playing preseason games.
Speaker 1:Dude what the fuck Shut, dude, dude, dude. I don't give a fuck. He's been injured two straight years. Nick Chubb's on his second fucking ACL.
Speaker 2:Who the fuck else? Nick Chubb I agree.
Speaker 1:Nick Chubb, I agree. Who the 10 is crazy? Jameer Gibbs at 8 is crazy.
Speaker 2:How Jameer Gibbs over 1,000 yards too.
Speaker 1:He did, but he wasn't even the fucking premier running back on his team.
Speaker 2:He was splitting fucking snaps. It doesn't matter, but that's how good he was.
Speaker 1:No, fuck out of here, fuck out of here, fuck out of here, fuck you. Fucking stupid ass, nigga Fucking.
Speaker 2:Honorable mention Kyra.
Speaker 1:Williams, fucking dude, had fucking 1,200 yards and like 300 receiving yards and he's a fucking honorable mention. You are tweaking.
Speaker 2:Okay, but here's my perk, motherfucking 30.
Speaker 1:Your number two guy had 741 yards. He didn't have enough yards combined to reach a fucking thousand. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 2:Kyron Williams, reason why I have him at 11. But my honorable mention Was because I believe, with that offense, that he has as great as he has been.
Speaker 1:He might be, might not be as good as in every other offense. Shut the fuck up, until you see him in another offense. Shut the fuck up. That's a fucking stupid thing. I'm so fucking.
Speaker 2:Kenny Walker Was honorable mention. Fucking, fucking, dumbass, you're such a. And James Cook? James Cook was also.
Speaker 1:Nigga. James Cook Made the honorable mention. Yeah, and Rashawn White didn't. Yeah, 500 yards. He had 680 yards Receiving. Uh huh, he was the Third best receiver On his fucking team. You are fucking trash. Your takes are ass. Your team is ass. Fuck Ohio State.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, that's fun. I didn't think you'd hate my list that much, nigga your list suck dick I agree with some list that much Nigga your list. Suck dick I agree with some of your fans.
Speaker 1:Nigga, your list is hot ass Fucking trash. I have 15 niggas and only four of them ended up on your list. What the fuck? Joe Mixon had 400 yards receiving and 1100 yards rushing Joe Mixon was an and 11 touchdowns Joe Mixon 11.
Speaker 2:Joe Mixon was over. Half them weren't with Joe Burrow. Joe Mixon deserved to be in the top 10. Nigga Half of those touchdowns Were with Jake Browning's fucking name. Look, I, I own the fact. That was an oversight. Nigga your list. Suck ass, For whatever reason. I don't even remember seeing his name when I was looking at running backs. I know You're fucking tweaking.
Speaker 1:That's on me. You don't look at lists with stats and what they're doing? Yes, I do no, because you would have saw Jonathan Taylor at 741 yards and no receiving guards. What the fuck is happening? Am I in a twilight zone? I did not wake up from a nap. For this shit. Jonathan Taylor, I'm going, I'm taking my black ass back to sleep.
Speaker 2:Jonathan Taylor is a talent, is still a what talent I ain't seen this guy play in two years. He played last year, dude, dude. The year before I'm tweaking, the year before he was an MVP candidate.
Speaker 1:Dude you Three years ago. No, it wasn't the year before. He had 841 yards. You are off a perk. It was the year before 2021,. Fuck, nigga. Yeah, you, stupid. Fuck, not last year. This nigga was ass last year. Ass Four touchdowns, ass, ass, a-s-s.
Speaker 2:He was ass, that nigga ain't been good in three years, get the fuck out of here, he's still a great talent the running back position Nigga.
Speaker 1:His talent's gone, it's gone.
Speaker 2:And he played with a terrible running back, terrible quarterback, so like Gardner mid-Jew.
Speaker 1:He's a running back. You know what that quarterback gonna do. Here you go Nigga run. He didn't do it. He didn't do his one job Run. There was all the motherfuckers that did his job and a receiver's job.
Speaker 2:I'll say don't smash your phone.
Speaker 1:man Jameer Gibbs was the second best receiver on his fucking team. Dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude. There is no feasible fucking reason You're saying talent. Yeah, there's niggas that are more talented and younger than him, who, just because this nigga was good three years ago, doesn't mean he's still good. He's not still good.
Speaker 2:He had 741 yards off of 10 games played and if you add another seven games on that, he's over 1,500 yards.
Speaker 1:No, he's not, no, he's not.
Speaker 2:Probably Sorry, no. 1,300 yards.
Speaker 1:No, he's not. No, he's not. Quentin Nelson was hurt this season. Fuck. No, he's not. That nigga don't run to the right for a reason. He runs to the fucking left Because there's no one over on the right to protect his ass. Fuck you, that's a bad take. At two, my nigga, I'm cool. At like nine, no, fuck.
Speaker 2:No, he's an honorable mention he is one that I knew that you were gonna be mad about nigga two and then Nick Chubb at five. And then James Connors, as an honorable mention, that I knew that you were going to be mad about Nigga two and then Nick Chubb had five.
Speaker 1:Nick Chubb was a and then James Connors has as an honorable mention that nigga was 15. I'm talking. I had four other motherfuckers that were on the James Cook. Who the fuck is James Cook For the bills? Dude, I know James Cook. He was my number four. James Cook was good as fuck. I didn't have.
Speaker 2:James Connor. Nah, bruh, that nigga was good as fuck.
Speaker 1:What is wrong with you, bro? Bro, you don't know ball, you don't know football, I do know football, you do not know ball. This list shows. You do not know ball. If I was to post this to Twitter, you'd get roasted Cause they'd be like this list is ass. This is cheeks there's little ass cheeks on this page right now.
Speaker 2:I want to call Jake right now. Yes, I have the two things. Yes, I should have had a. It was a straight oversight of not should have had. Uh, it was a straight oversight of not josh jacobs nigga fuck josh josh jacobs top 10 back yards to carry. He has the stats. You just hate josh jacobs he don't.
Speaker 1:He don't catch the ball in the backfield it does.
Speaker 2:he is. He averaged five yards to carry Five yards Am.
Speaker 1:I supposed to give a fuck?
Speaker 2:As a running back.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's amazing as a running back having more than 500 yards receiving is unheard of.
Speaker 2:He had 600 yards rushing dude. Come on, Josh Jacobs had that much just rushing by himself.
Speaker 1:Nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga. Josh Jacobs had that much just rushing by himself. Nigga, nigga, nigga what. Josh Jacobs ass. I named 15 niggas.
Speaker 2:Not one of them was Josh Jacobs because you hate Josh Jacobs, not because he's not good enough to be in the top 15. Fuck no, I hate Josh Allen but that nigga was number 3. I put that nigga 3 no, but he's so good you can't do that. I probably wouldn't put that nigga 3 no, but he's.
Speaker 1:He's so good you can't do that. I'll probably won't even put that nigga 3, that nigga's 8.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter, you're still having him in the top 10, cause he's still that good of a talent. If I could find a way, you just hate.
Speaker 1:Josh Jacobs. If I could find a way To leave Josh Allen Off the top 32 quarterback list. I would but I can't, you can't, cause that he's not far. Fuck you Yo. This is shitty, no it's Yo this is dick, dick and balls bro. Like it is. I am having cock and ball torture done to me right now. Yo, this is fucking ass, bro, ass ASS. That list is fucking trash, fucking trash. Yo, this is so fucking bad I'd cut my left testicle off before I accept that fucking list, and I like my left one.
Speaker 2:You like your left one, your right, fuck yeah.
Speaker 1:And I like being right, but that list being fucking shitty.
Speaker 2:I have a couple problems, but that list being fucking shitty. I have a couple problems with my list. I'll give you that.
Speaker 1:Nigga a couple. Yeah, your list is wrong.
Speaker 2:I have a couple problems you have.
Speaker 1:CMC yeah, and then fuck shit after that. No, it's not true, it's fuck shit after that.
Speaker 2:We have similar guys in our top sentence. Fuck, no, we don't. Yes, we do, nigga.
Speaker 1:The only, the only nigga in the correct spots are CMC and Breeze Hall.
Speaker 2:But we have other matching guys in our top 10, though.
Speaker 1:No, the fuck, we don't. You do not have another nigga in your top 10, though no the fuck, we don't. You do not have another nigga in your top 10 that I do, besides Breeze Hall and CMC.
Speaker 2:You don't have Saquon in the top 10?.
Speaker 1:No, that nigga's not on my list.
Speaker 2:How is Saquon Barkley not in the top 10? Fuck, Saquon Barkley. See now you're acting emotional.
Speaker 1:Kyron Williams had 1,300 yards.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Running backs, no longer just run the football. Them niggas catch it now too.
Speaker 2:Yes, but let me say this, let me say this Okay, you had Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1:Cool, I had Derrick Henry.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Damn, you had Bijan. Yeah, so out of 10 I have 15 niggas. Including your honorable mention, you only have Four motherfuckers that match mine in your top 10. Your list is ass.
Speaker 2:Nick Chubb was I should have added him. I struggled with that because Yo list his ass. Nick Chubb was. Nick Chubb was, I should have added him. Nigga, I struggled with that because. But when he's playing he's a top five back.
Speaker 1:Nigga, nigga, nigga, bro, it's not his fault.
Speaker 2:Minkovic-Pash went and ruined his ACL, bro, bro, bro.
Speaker 1:I was going off list. I went off CBS Sports, ESPN going off list.
Speaker 2:I went off cbs sports, espn um, not pro football focus trash ass list. But I didn't look I looked their stats.
Speaker 1:I didn't lie. I looked at five other people's list and their stats and I can confirm with you your list is shit. Josh jacobs was not in the top 10 of anybody's. Yo, yo, this is I'm done. I'm done, I'm done podcast. End this bitch, end this bitch. I'm gonna fight your bitch ass.
Speaker 2:Yo, this is so bad, I want to swing on you. Josh Higgins is better rushing sets than some of the guys you have on your list. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:By not a lot. He has slightly better rushing stats for no receiving for a worse team.
Speaker 2:He was playing for the Raiders.
Speaker 1:What was the Raiders record? What was it look? Look, I should have right now Raiders, raiders.
Speaker 2:So that was, they went 8-9. Cool 2029. They went 8-9.
Speaker 1:Cool. So the Buccaneers only won one more game than they did and made the playoffs.
Speaker 2:Now the Buccaneers. Rashad White also did great in the playoffs. Name other weapons on that Buccaneers offense Chase.
Speaker 1:Mike Evans.
Speaker 2:And he has a better quarterback.
Speaker 1:Mike Evans. What's his? A better quarterback, mike Evans. What's his name?
Speaker 2:The other one, I don't know. I forget his name, but yes, and they have a great Cameron Brate. The tight end is amazing.
Speaker 1:I don't know who the fuck that is Cameron Brate. Really good tight end. Wasn't on the top 10, so that nigga's irrelevant.
Speaker 2:No, it's not Bray, it's a different guy that tight ends, but he was really good. Irrelevant. No, but he has better talent around him so he can do a lot more. Josh Jacobs was.
Speaker 1:He still had to run the fucking ball. Fuck you. He hit man for 600 yards.
Speaker 2:Yo listen to this ass. He went for how much Huh, okay, I was talking about the guy you were talking about with the Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1:He had 990.
Speaker 2:Rushing.
Speaker 1:Yes, and then 680 Receiving. What the fuck is wrong with you? You've been thinking that this whole time he was 10 away from 1,000. What's his name? Rashad White. And then having Jameer Gibbs on this list is fucking criminal. Jameer, I did have.
Speaker 2:Jameer Gibbs on this list is fucking criminal. Jameer, I did have Jameer Gibbs in my top ten when?
Speaker 1:Jameer Gibbs was at eight Nigga.
Speaker 2:Fuck it, go ahead 990,. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:Fuck, nigga, fuck, nigga, fuck you. Yo, this is shitty. Get up and hit you with this fucking chair like it's WBE in this bitch 990, almost 550 550. My apologies, I've been wrong. This whole podcast.
Speaker 2:No, that's 1400 yards. No, that's on me, that's on me, fuck nigga. There's only two names that you have mentioned. That I have truly said.
Speaker 1:Joe Mixon.
Speaker 2:That's Joe Mixon and him For sure. Yes.
Speaker 1:DeAndre Swift.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Oh, fuck you, I'm done, I'm done what is, what is?
Speaker 2:what is? Fuck this list. Fuck what did deandre swift?
Speaker 1:fuck this list and the podcast. Do your fucking outro. You're a dumb motherfucker. Give me my fucking tablet too. Pussy dang jason dude I'm pissed, I'm pissed and it's hot as fuck in here, okay, how real quick can with the two issues that I have?
Speaker 2:can I come back next week? Fuck?
Speaker 1:you, dude. I'm gonna send you my list and you need to redo your list.
Speaker 2:I'll redo my list. Fuck you and come back next podcast.
Speaker 1:How about we both take pictures of our list, send them to Jay and see which one's better? Because your list is fucking ass.
Speaker 2:Okay, no, we can do that and we'll have his response next podcast Go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1:This list is so shitty. I'm going to go see him in person to show him my shit, because your list is that fucking bad.
Speaker 2:Dude, I'm going to beat your fucking ass. All right, this is we're uh, we're going down a bad road here, so I'm gonna go ahead.
Speaker 1:If you've been listening for a while, we appreciate you very much I'm so pissed, I'm so pissed, I'm so pissed, I'm so pissed, I'm so pissed we'll be back next week to the uh answer to our little spat here.
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