Real Stories from real people, sharing their life stories with the Founder of Its Mental Stephen Robinson.
These people have faced adversity in their lives , had the highs and fought the lows. Listen and learn how they overcame their challenges and became more resilient, turning the negatives into positives and making a happier life for themselves with a new purpose.
Real Stories from real people, sharing their life stories with the Founder of Its Mental Stephen Robinson.
These people have faced adversity in their lives , had the highs and fought the lows. Listen and learn how they overcame their challenges and became more resilient, turning the negatives into positives and making a happier life for themselves with a new purpose.
to real people with real purpose, and this is first of a series of podcasts that it's mentor, and myself and Jay will be presenting. And but I thought we'd start with my story of its mentor, and why did I come to this doing this and stats, and it's mental. So I think what I've invited is Jay ranford and to ask some questions, drill me for you. And awfully, you know, that that plants a seed for future podcasts? Definitely. And, you know, other people talk, like, come on, and share their experiences and, and, you know, just phases of life and I'll pull this
Jake Rainford:up. So why, why did you actually start? It's mental and because I obviously know your backstory for people listening. What was the
Stephen Robinson:Yeah, well, I think, you know, if you, I've been in business 30 years, and, you know, so I'm in my late 40s. Now, so not like, I'm trying to skirt the edge by any chance. I'm 48. So I don't want but been in business all my life really, since in mid late teens. But that comes with, you know, a lot of pressures, a lot of ups and downs, a lot of travel a lot of being away from the family. And but you know, I only got married later got married at 38. So, you know, another family quite late. So, you know, are always always at down, doing my thing.
Jake Rainford:Was it because of that the other juggle?
Stephen Robinson:No, no, no, no, I think I think the knock on effects was, you know, a bit I've been, you know, I've had some really good eyes in business. And I've had some some laws as well. And that's business for you. I don't think anyone can actually sit here and be through business and say, Yeah, because yeah. And it might come across in the end, but you know, you are have to face adversity in business at certain times. And, and barriers are shorter, nearly on a daily basis, or so you get over that, and you build resilience, the resilience was always in business, if that makes sense. And I think that just comes with experience. But personally, you don't spend that much time on yourself. I think you're just busy. And people have told me in the past, is that, you know, just watch yourself for burning out. And but I've, you know, I've worked long hours as you do, because you always create these little babies as businesses. And then you want to see them develop and grow. And that's all what I've always, always done. And, but to get get to the point where the main things, the main change in points was a, you know, series of events, really. We had a death in the family suicide, which was quite a shock. Really, it was my brother in law, and quiet, you know, a well known character, strong character. And we just didn't see it coming. You know, we just did it was just one of them things that, you know, he jumped in front of a train. And, you know, we had to deal with that, as a family.
Jake Rainford:You can't even like, begin to imagine what it must have felt like here in that.
Stephen Robinson:No, I mean, yeah, I mean, you have commended the day, like yesterday, you know, my sister called me up and said, I don't know work is can you come and have a look in the woods, you know, whether, yeah, there's some land that they've got near the woods in the stream. And, and, you know, it wasn't to be found, but then obviously, we got a knock on the door, we report it to the police after about 24 hours, and got a knock on the door. And it was the police telling them that they found his body on the train tracks, so quite hard to deal with, obviously, but this, you know, there is you have to be there for the people and the system is obviously the one most affected and a daughter. So it's you know, we have to you have to deal with that, again, you're dealing with different circumstances and different situations, but it's just like anything, I think people do say when you have a death in the family sad to deal with it when it's instant. Yeah, instantaneous, like, it's overnight, like maybe an art attack or something like that to someone that, you know, I've lost both my parents to cancer years ago, but you can sort of prepare mentally for that.
Jake Rainford:Yeah, of course. It's not like a
Stephen Robinson:shock. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's an add situation to lead through and be there for somebody for so long. And not really for them to get better. And so yeah, just throughout my life, you know, obviously, he's always putting the certain situations and so you know, you think you're prepared because you always relate back to them experiences. Now, I've lost both of my parents whenever you're And so, you know, you can put yourself in a situation you will back out, did I get through that, but it's every situation is different to me it's, you know, without it's just, it's just a shark wise, you've got so many unanswered questions. And so that was that was that and then in 2018, in April, my brother committed suicide as well. So my eldest brother saw, he was,
Jake Rainford:you know, like, signs that was just completely
Stephen Robinson:normal. My brother was, you know, Iris is in denial have been now call it basically. But what you see is families, you know, when you're trying to support someone through that is a vicious circle of the system. And that's what really reached out to me think, Well, you know, it's so frustrating. You know, about getting someone sectioned and, you know, it is wanting to change, the big thing for someone to come out of that that vicious circle is they want to change. And I don't think he did, I really believe that because, you know, you communally admit yourself to any, and, and you know, section yourself, but it won't become even dragging the domain. And, you know, there's different signs that if you're not abusing, who's not abused, anybody are chopped himself down or attempted. And, you know, the doctors can't really do anything in that way, as well. So, you know, if he doesn't want to admit and put himself in that situation, it become very frustrating. And you're in a vicious circle, because if you're drinking, you know, as well as taking medication, the medication is not going to work. And so you're clashing constantly. And so, you know, he mentioned it a few times to members of the family and for his friends. But, you know, again, you just don't think somebody you really calculate if someone can actually got the guts to do something. Yeah. And, to be honest, I'm not saying he didn't have the guts, I just think he's not that type of person. Well, you know, again, it's he was, you know, he had options, he had things places to go to get out certain situations, but just didn't tackle them. Just attack them. And it was a shame really, and he took his own life 27th of April 2018. So you know, younger himself, so it's just not great. It's crazy.
Jake Rainford:like to think about what headspace to be able to physically do that must be our
Stephen Robinson:I mean, you can't comprehend it now even going past you know, that when we believe in law, again, to put yourself in front of a train, yeah. You know, physically, like, you know, when these high speed trains is just you must be in a certain place that place that I've been in that places, but not that I've ever thought how did
Jake Rainford:you get out the dark places when he was when he was in like, what kind
Stephen Robinson:of thing they're not gonna affect his, I've got, you know, I've got investments into a business that I add at the similar time, but my mind wasn't in it, to be honest, I think, you know, I've just try and work through it, get to the other side and just think routine and keeping everything going but back end of 2018 I just had a break grant break down basically, I just mean, mine weren't functioning like it used to do and
Jake Rainford:in what were the like, in terms of like, he just couldn't come as a searcher what the triggers were,
Stephen Robinson:I think, you know, I went to CBT and counselling didn't go to the doctor's never been on medication. But I just saw I needed to you know, talk to somebody about it professionally. So I went to CBT with the best thing that you know up and that's it that stage because you
Jake Rainford:still love that go to that
Stephen Robinson:time. Yes. I mean, I don't go as much but I was trying to do it once a month because I think it's just fits therapy end of the day and I think it's good for you to see things come back triggers will always be there. But the triggers is understanding what we're good for me is understanding what the triggers were, you know, because you go Why am I feeling like this now and yeah, these pressures but I've always dealt with them pressures, I've dealt with situations in business. But I think I've never mourned people there's death that just stayed with me and put me brother in laws and it probably just built up and built up and I've just worked through them instead out in time to, to reflect and, and, and think about it really. But I think you know, what you realize is that you know you're busy. You're constantly busy. You know you're traveling and so many people do it in this way. Globalization of the world, you know, traveling a lot more than I did, but it was just burnout. I just just energy a GM couldn't focus. just struggling with different making conversation really on the phone, which obviously used to in the business or the everyday things just go got sideways, really. But I think what what what was on the standing stare to the recovery was, you know, understanding that it was control forever well been throughout my life, I've always had control on me on yesterday. So being an entrepreneurs, since we're in the teens, you know, even at school, you know, I was I was doing businesses at skills, Kimani. So you've always had control. And, you know, we're losing parents early, take control. So, and I think in business, that's why I'm in business, because I like, control. I'm a control freak. But I think by giving shares as well, in business, and I give control over to the investors, I think I just couldn't cope with that, as well. Because, you know, your vision, your opinions, you know, don't count the same. So, you know, I know of that wasn't gonna work. So, you know, we had, I had to do some about it. And but I think then it was just after seeing what we both had done, and I've gone through it. So I had like, three months solid every week, and counseling, and with CBT, meditation, meditation was fantastic. Because I think everyone has a racing mind, at a race in mind constantly going on, I couldn't sleep. And it was just like, you know, pictures in your mind, like it flicking through a book, and it's just pitches after pitch after pitch, your mind is just flipping off all the time, and you can't shut it off. So, you know, what you want to do is meditation allows you to control that, you know, and it's, it takes time. But it's to re, you know, helps you stop the chatter. Some people have chatter, and voices, you know, saying certain things that add a bit of that, I would say, but mainly, it was, you know, shutting off, and it's just like a mobile phone.
Jake Rainford:Yeah, all the time.
Stephen Robinson:So, you know, the main thing about it is meditation. And, and CBT was understanding these techniques, and, you know, getting back to a stage where I weren't getting the anxiety attacks as much, and you know, start to function, like everyday again. And that's sort time, you know, you still get triggers and still get flashbacks, or certain things that obviously, start, you know, putting negative emotions there and negative thought, and I still fight with that at times, which I never really entered me at before, when I was younger. So, you know, you've got it all sorted To me, it's always gonna be there. So my big thing was, like, I, you know, what can I do? What can I do to help, because that's me, brother, go through it. Be bullying law was obviously going through something that we did, and he was good to hide it. And I went through it personally, and, you know, it's a noble thing. And so, with the use of technology, and, and, you know, what could we do and know, the wife, Joanna was, you know, doing stuff already in mental well being, and, you know, giving advice to parents, and children and stuff like that. And we thought, you know, it would be a good idea to start something, but from my technical side, it was always thinking, Well, can technology out more people and faster? And I think what, what would came, you know, we've done a lot we've worked with Lancaster University on and like person centered approach to programs, etc. We've done trials of programs, 12 week programs, we've done trials of that and took all the information back and what's working, what's not working, and then over coffee, because then then start we start to develop an online system, which really is trying to get people to self help learn how to manage it. And and preventional learning. Yeah, and I think that's what came out with a lot of discussions with the industry and NHS and things like that is that you know, people, you know, if you go to the GP, you've got two options, really, which is medication counseling, and you might go to my matters, but there's usually a massive waiting list. So these people get passed from pillar to post and don't get me wrong. There's a lot of things in motion now to where it was even two years. Go, you know, the NHS has done a lot of crisis teams recently, since COVID, you know, the last four months of centralized mental health crisis teams in each trust, where people want to get dealt with rather than passing political force. And if you think you've got these issues and your wish been passed, it's just going to enhance the problem made the problem worse. So it was like, Well, what can we do and where we fit. So it was obvious that when people are coming down on a mod amoud, should I say, and this ELP is assistance, this counseling, there's a lot of therapies, etc. But when you're recovering, and you're coming out
Jake Rainford:to support that,
Stephen Robinson:there's nothing to support, there's a massive gap. And I think, also, what was surprising is 80% of people that come on the courses were on medication, but the good thing that they wanted to do is change. That's a big thing. They wanted to change, but they wanted to get off medication. Because some people are on it for years, man don't even get off what
Jake Rainford:is like the medication do Is it just like, just you just just control the anxiety and the thoughts inside your
Stephen Robinson:head. So elevation mood really. And so it you know, increases just your mood and your emotions in a positive manner. Just feel happier. And so, you know, increases more serotonin in your brain, really, that's what happens. But again, you've got to keep checking these, I don't know if there's any side effects, but you know, really, you want people to manage this themselves. It's a bit where we were seeing it is. You know, I Oh, do you manage it? And that was the approach really. And I think what was I went to court, you know, I become a qualified coach. And now I am qualification. And what I learned from that was, like anything else, tech, sports athletes, business people, and I've always been in the business arena. We're all the more successful people add coaches, and the main underlying belly of that is discipline and accountability. No, that's, that's, that's what it's needed. For we all go off track, we all get distracted. And it's to keep on that track. And, you know, I wish I had more caution in business. Definitely. You know, because when you're in business, you're creative. You're very strategic. So you're thinking of the next thing to make money, oh, can you have closure, bounce the other. And, but you do need that accountability and discipline. So but coaching works a lot the same way across all different kind of areas. And it's no different to mental well being so with elements that we found is the market gap. And we manage that and get longevity. So people stop falling into this vicious circle again, and also relapse in but not knowing how to deal with it not having coping mechanisms in place is that's where we, we thought, well, this is it's mental, let's know everything about the stigma of it's mental. So we know a lot of charities jumped on the similar thing, and that's why it's mental. It was trying to make it normal, trying to make it that it's like going to a doctor. Yeah. And the whole thing gets mental. You know, like these courts, there's so many epidemic about mental health coming through so you spent a fair bit of time studying in 2019, about cocoon society, for instance, right. You know, being the cocoon societies, so it to me, oh, the it is is pushed us into becoming more recluse and more as Akin set in and knock on effects on people's mental health. And we're human. So we want that interaction. You know, we want interaction we need that. And you know, we online shopping and all these kinds of things is you don't have to step down. You can do everything and then round the corner, obviously, the Coronavirus can COVID-19. And certainly, with not well isolated, yeah, of course. So that's just enhanced it to, to, to what the problem was, you know, as in and people come at it all different ways. Obviously, it's not all negative, but it's obviously having an impact and everybody's well being so it shows the more pushback, you're where people are really sure, definitely.
Jake Rainford:He definitely have an impact on me that like you mentioned him before about technology. I generally think this is the cause what lot that you were saying earlier about when you close your eyes and see the flickering. I think it's a lot of it's to do with this because there's no way of disconnecting because this is always interrupting it. Yeah. So like, again, when I'm fishing in a weekend or whatever I'm trying to get away out, there's always the, and I always glance over at it and it's still, it's still learning. I think having having like an app like it's mental or a platform like it's mental is you can use this to your advantage rather than being like a burden all the time. You know, what I mean? Having a platform where people are like minded, I think that's where I see the value in its mentors platform, and the well being hope. I said, people who are like minded all dish, yeah, open up sort of thing. It is, I think,
Stephen Robinson:I think what came out to the research, and, and the research was when we were doing the programs, and this was pre COVID, was that people wanted to belong to something, they wanted to be part of the community, and, you know, for generations. And that's what used to happen, you know, well, tribal, yeah, of client nature. And, you know, then tribes sort of been more separated, even families, you know, against globalization, you know, we've got families, most families across the world in Australia, America, very new Europe unites the modern were world. So you know, but the as impacts, you know, as negative impacts on people's lives, definitely, maybe loneliness. I mean, you know, we've done work with Educare before and 35,000 people in Lancashire before COVID, add chronic loneliness, you know, which is in this day and age, that's shouldn't happen with technology and things like that. No, no, yeah, it's another side to it. And that's what we've got to deal with, you know, nationally and worldwide is, you know, can people be lonely in this day and age with, you know, social media, and it's right, your social media needs to be used in a positive way, it's got a lot of benefits, but it's got a lot, a lot of negatives.
Jake Rainford:Definitely. And I think,
Stephen Robinson:just the speed of technology and the speed that we work in, as that must have a negative effect. Because we can't keep up with it, we're not switching off. And this thing about, you know, things zipping through your mind is because you've been working at yazmin level all day, you try and turn your mind off.
Jake Rainford:I find it so difficult to do that. And honestly, is one thing that even when I've tried switching off to meditate, and I'm constantly just thinking all the time, and I find it so difficult to switch off. I think I'm just going to be patient with it. And just
Stephen Robinson:yeah, I think I mean, they said like using your mind is a muscle in turn it is training it exactly that
Jake Rainford:I think that's what I need to might need to change my thought process of meditation and all that sort of stuff and try and think this is like a huge This is a skill to be able to edit and you've got to put practice to start that's where I'm looking at. I'm thinking I'm going yeah, I'm bloody right to see on board, forget buchmann laptop, and thus, I mean, I just need to that I can probably learn a lot from from you from that side of things. And because in some ways, we're quite like minded like that, in terms of like, we're always thinking and always very business driven people. Yeah, I probably could learn a lot from you from that sort of thing. Yeah,
Stephen Robinson:everybody. I mean, you know, everybody needs to shut off time. Yeah, you know, no matter what it is, you've got an hour of everyone in whatever it is spending time with the family but I think that was what was my realization at that point is that you know, work life balance, you know, is a big problem you know, and fit especially people in executive level C suite directors so massive problem because it
Jake Rainford:because it because it's slightly say you mentioned before, it's like, my business is my baby, and you look after the child as much you know what I mean? It's the treat it like it is a kid, you know what I mean? So it's difficult to be able to swit switch that off, you know what I mean? I mean, I don't have kids yet but obviously when they get thrown into the mix, it's like what is Jeremy and he's I've got to my priority last priority after Dokdo division you've
Stephen Robinson:got you've got it is a it is a deduction as well to working for yourself and that boss, you know, it is you've got your lawyers, you've no real insurance policy in a way when you start in the early debts, you know, it's all risk. But when that starts to work, it's a fantastic balls. It's no one can take that away from you. But you know, it's building on that. It's just building on that and moving forward and what you've got to be a point or we're you know, you're Yong Soo you can you can deal with that and that optimum switch off. But I think when you get old days, obviously you have to deal with it in a different
Jake Rainford:that's what I'm saying if I can learn a to a to learn these skills meditation early on, I'll probably probably prevent from having these low points. And that's like even again, with it's mental it might just might not even have mental health issues, but it could be an idea, an ideal way of preventing it from from happening. You know what I mean? Yeah,
Stephen Robinson:I mean, we all love anxiety. We all have Monday morning blues. Yeah, we all love it.
Jake Rainford:It's my mornings were up. But I I wake up in the morning with like, what's what's like, what's gonna happen today sort of thing, and then I have an hour. And then I'm just like, what am I doing? But at first hour in the morning is always like, the the time that I'm like, What problem is gonna happen today? And then I kind of went away copper kind of thing. What else? What
Stephen Robinson:about you? Did you write a list down? Or do you write it down and prioritize?
Jake Rainford:No, I just try and yeah, like, the night before I was put a list together of like, what me like micro tasks. But it's just that morning. It's always when that's always when I'm, I always overthink things. And then yeah, I don't know if it's because I'm tired. Because I'm one of these people that the brain switches on at night. First thing in their mind and like, yeah, don't I again,
Stephen Robinson:I think kovan you probably have a new recovery time. Yeah, in the morning, if you're working late at night. I mean, you've got to rest and you've got to switch off. Yeah, of course. Sure. You've got people make a lot of mistake, ease. And, and this is what's happening is, you know, like, the good thing is you're you know, when you sufficient is a good where switch enough and it probably is B but a lot going on in a lot go to the gym. And and we're that's a physical, it might change the mind. But it doesn't give the mind a rest. No, no, you're the man thing, you've got to give your mind a rest and
Jake Rainford:a bit of peace. We're fishing, which is, you know, a bit like meditation where, you know, you're shut off and awfully shuts off from the world and you just have that present time. He sauced like, it is so strange. And I go like, literally just looking at a little orange floor. But it'll be seven o'clock and playoff that was a day. I'm just like, but then but then when Monday comes, I think the only deputy weekends has gone so quick. Because that that Sunday, just my mind just goes blank. It does help me though it does those out. But that's the thing that I again, I'm when I'm around people, like successful people like yourself, I always try and learn and tick. What can I take from them? In a sense, like, what can I learn from her? Definitely, that's one thing that I always think about, Oh, can I take some of your skills and like implement into your life, and that's probably what the value you bring into all the people who join it's mentally, like, you've, you've been through a lot that people going to never have gone through. And it's like learning from that and how others can learn from, you know, the stuff that you put into it's mental along with all the other experts that are involved as well.
Stephen Robinson:Yeah, I mean, you know, the good thing is, you've got to get experts in all different fields involved, and we have to give people that, or then different programs and different skill sets really, that they need to Alvin, not everything works for everybody. So you've got to try and learn things. And that's why it's mental is all about, but I think if people can just develop a plan for themselves, and that's where, you know, we spend a lot of time on nude, and
Jake Rainford:said, that puts you aside all the other bike, I think what
Stephen Robinson:I mean, the bigger picture for us is, you know, these, these a three step model that we are for it's mental, that is took his time to get to, and which is social interaction. And then it's yourself out learning, you know, learning more things, skills, etc. And then it's been socially active getting out there again. So build his confidence, but it's constantly moving forward. And now you do that, because if you've been through adversity in some kind of way, or been really long periods in your life, no people know and it is to motivate themselves to do stuff. And it is small steps. And it's having wins small wins. Yeah, that you know, on people, you've probably heard all this with Coach, but it's true that, you know, little barriers that people constant put in the way it's breaking them little barriers down and then you know, gain the confidence and you're gaining momentum. But I think what are the barriers, are you going to deal with them and how does it affect your mood? So what we try and do is the journals that we have, you know, we spent months and months and months and you know, can't say years collectively, but you know, putting these together, people filling them out etc. But what we're trying to develop is a plan for people, it does work, you know, people are all different. And they have different mood swings at different times of the day and different triggers that would do it. But it's how you counteract that. Yeah, of course, understanding what gives you a lift and gives you elevates your mood. And so you've got to map that across over a period of time. And that's what we do. And that's what we do in our courses. In the self help sessions, is group coaching, spent a while being coaching. And that's what we do is over in 12 weeks, that people will come out with a plan we can take away, and they should keep implementing, but they'll understand, you know, and put things in place that's worked,
Jake Rainford:right. This is interesting. It's interesting, like, the one thing you do mention is always about, like logging everything. And, yeah, again, I don't do that. And I think that's what I need to start implementing. And that's where you'll be able to see where it might be in black and white, what the issue is, you know, what I mean, if you don't
Stephen Robinson:use this is this I mean, reflection, a lot, and the industry will call it reflection. And what it is, is understanding the patterns and it's not rocket science, you know, you can certainly understand patterns. No so on majority of people like Sam do have low mood in the morning, a lot of people have low mood in the morning, because the fear center search series of things before they even get to work. Yeah, I might say it might be a commute for two hours. No, no, you mean, it might be that they have to rush and get a coffee or sandwich is always a cue or
Jake Rainford:getting things
Stephen Robinson:or, you know, there's all different kinds of things that enter your mind that when you wake up in my office, you know, I've got to do this, but what can you put in place that will prepare you for that. And so to counteract that mood definitely means that some level itself out a bit?
Jake Rainford:Well, so what it's like the aim of this podcast moving forward, like because I know, obviously the names real people, real people with real purpose. Yeah. So like, what is your life plan moving forward with this? I want to show how you can people get on the podcast, all that sort of stuff.
Stephen Robinson:I mean, the whole point is really, again, it is having inspiring stories. Really. Yeah, so many people this add pain, anguish, you know, dark times, you know, been addicted at addictions to certain things, but change it into a positive, and use that as as become a passion or purpose. I mean, now I've seen businesses and our in our thought, I've always been passionate, but I've never had a purpose. There's a big difference in our purpose is you can you visualize that purpose where you want to be? So our mission is quite clear. You know, it's we want to teach a million people out to manage their well being. So you can't do that by doing face to face classes or workshops. You want to use technology to do that. Yeah, that's a clear purpose. We want people with similar aspirations that they've been through adversity. And it could be anything you know, to be to mental health, it just transform that into positive. And then people can see these podcasts and listen to these podcasts. And just take that on, as you know, to give them confidence, hope, and they can move forward. So and that's what people I think, is really when you're going through them vulnerability you've got so you're vulnerable. And at the early stages, you know, the stories like that would just give you, you know, so much, and all that it's going to change, and things will get better. That's what people want to hear. But it is an add journey. But it can be done. We want them people to tell them that they care. You know, it can be done.
Jake Rainford:It's interesting. No, it is it's interesting. So we're coming up so we're in receipt of ties motto fastest quick guy fast. These go. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Ivy's. I think it's an interesting name. And it's got an interesting story as a whole, this whole podcast, and I think it's going to be interesting for people listening. But yeah, like tell tell them where they can find all that like the call to action, select? Yes.
Stephen Robinson:On the website, WWE mental code at UK. And so we've developed this hub now. So what's coming from all this research and COVID is we've got the well being hub. So these programs in there that you can do with all these different coaches and experts, and that's just constantly evolving. There's a lot of free content as well. And we've put the social bubble on there, which is a social feed really that people with all different topics that people can learn from other input, talk to each other chats. You know, just build that community. Seriously, definitely, because that is really a big part of the support channel that you need. You know, everyone's could be at late at night and they just have these bad thoughts and negative thoughts and nothing's working. But if they could just go to the social bubble and other people in having the same at that certain time, you know, just a bit text or, ya know, you might build new friends and people were going through similar experiences. And, and also are talking to people that's been through that and then showing what worked for them. So that is really important, really is what we're trying to build as a community for its mental. And so you know, that if you go on the website, you'll see just join the well being hub. It's free, you know, to join, and just get involved. That's why I would say,
Jake Rainford:fantastic. It's been a pleasure. Yeah,
Stephen Robinson:go on. Yeah. Thanks, Jay.