200. Biblical Dialogue of Aaron, Part 2

Have you ever witnessed a moment where leadership falters or grace triumphs? Join me, your host, along with co-host Adnie and special guest Ray Gosa, as we navigate the storied path of Aaron to glean vital insights about grace, accountability, and the pursuit of perfection in faith. From Aaron's golden calf debacle to personal tales of spiritual guidance, our conversation promises to shed light on the complexities of religious mentorship and the resilience required to steer a community through both triumph and error.

As we wrap up our enlightening exchange, we confront the uncomfortable presence of hypocrisy in religious practices and its tension with societal norms. By sharing analogies from everyday life and sportsmanship, we illustrate the significance of personal accountability in our spiritual growth, leaving you with a poignant reminder of the choices we make today and their eternal implications. 

A Call to Salvation

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Speaker 1: 0:00

If you watch anyone close enough, you're going to find a contradiction which is going to undo and unpack. But what the new convert needs to understand and what Moses needs to understand and we will read that he did understand that is that there is grace, that your perfection is actually made in you striving for perfection, it's in the progress of. So when I listen to people do the interview and they try to compare Christianity as a whole with the performance of people, it's like no, you're missing it.

Speaker 2: 0:42

Welcome to the Call by God podcast with Adney Godin and myself, nixon Sylvain. This show is about dialogues of biblical characters and testimonies of Christians who submitted to the will of God. Each week we bring on one guest so that they can share their story of how they were called by God. I hope this show inspires you. Enjoy Hello and welcome world to the Call by God. I hope this show inspires you. Enjoy Hello and welcome world to the Call by God podcast. I'm yours truly brother Nick, and I'm here with my co-host, sister Adni Godin, and we have a special guest by the name of brother Ray Gosa. He's not even a special guest, he's a friend to the show. How y'all doing on this blessed day? I'm blessed, blessed. How are you, nick? I'm blessed. I'm blessed, adni, why you got that? Look on your face?

Speaker 3: 1:28

Because I was waiting for him to say something. I'm doing amazing. Y'all Just keep me in prayer. I'm going to a funeral Once we're done. This lady lost her only child. She's not a member of the body.

Speaker 2: 1:41

Oh no.

Speaker 3: 1:41

So the Lord laid it on my heart Go, show her what you know a child of God does. I may not know you, but I'm here to encourage you. Type situation, and then we're going to watch the play right afterwards. Right, they recorded the play I was in, so oh, really. Yeah, I'm going to go see the play. Just sit down and just watch.

Speaker 2: 2:07

Ray, did you know that Adney played in this Jesus play Like at Bold the?

Speaker 1: 2:12

Christ, Church of Christ. I mean, and here you're calling me the special guest. I mean I just want her to sign one of my double chins, that's it and we'll be good. And for those that are listening, that was a pre-recorded joke Not to be taken out of context in any sort of way. It's a family show. But you know you should step it up, Ray. You subbed the dust. So yeah, special guest Adney, you know she is with Jesus, literally, and talking about Jesus, and it's great. I have nothing more to say. All right, Nick, come on, You're going to have to steer this ship because we're going to start just floating off into the third heaven here.

Speaker 2: 2:54

Yeah, so this is a fellowship. The last time we were on here, we discussed Aaron, and that's what this episode is about. It's about Aaron. We discussed how Aaron he is the siblings of Miriam and Moses, and we also talked about how Aaron was called. You know, moses was talking to God, having a back and forth conversation with God, and God told Moses hey, you know what about your brother Aaron? So Aaron was called into ministry and he was Moses'-hand man, not only a sibling, but his right-hand man, and both of them went before Pharaoh and Aaron was the spokesperson. He was the spokesperson, both he and Moses. And then, of course, moses was.

Speaker 2: 3:38

So when the children of God got delivered, they was wandering in the wilderness and by the mountain and Moses had, you know, had a discussion, went up to the mountain and was having a dialogue with God, and then they doing miraculous things and, of course, the children of Israel decided that they wanted to build a calf. We talked about this on part one, because Aaron, the leader, aaron, was in their presence and the people told them hey, let's build the cap. And we're going to say that these are the gods that delivered us out of the hand of Pharaoh in Egypt and Exodus 32, verse 19 and 22. This is where Moses came down and Moses is like what in the world is going on? So, adney, if you will, can you go ahead and read it, and then we're just going to have a dialogue. What happened, right? I'm sure the people want to know, like what happened after Aaron and the people built the golden calf and burned it.

Speaker 3: 5:05

Then he ground it into powder, threw it into the water and forced the people to drink it. Finally, he turned to Aaron and demanded what did these people do to make you bring such terrible sin upon them? Don't get upset, my Lord. Hold on, don't get upset, my Lord. Aaron replied you yourself know how evil these people are. They said to me make us gods who will lead us. We don't know what happened to this fellow Moses who brought us here from the land of Egypt. So I told them whoever has gold jewelry, take it off. When they brought it to me, I simply threw it into the fire, and out came this calf. When they brought it to me, I simply threw it into the fire and out came this calf. And Moses saw that Aaron had let the people get completely out of control, much to the amusement of their enemies. So he stood at the entrance of the camp and shouted all of you who are on the Lord's side, come here and join me. And all the Levites gathered around him.

Speaker 2: 6:05

Amen, amen and Ray, what are your thoughts on some of the things that Aaron did when Moses confronted Aaron?

Speaker 1: 6:19

You know, there's, of course, always a lot to unpack. I mean being, last time we spoke it was like all right, well, what were we? What was people supposed to do? Like how would we be any different? How long will we be able to stay in idle, not knowing what's going on? We're like we're in the woods, like it's turned into a Blair witch project, which is an old movie reference, and now it's like all right, so we have to do something right, or do we just sit here? You know, does Moses need help? We don't know.

Speaker 1: 6:49

So they go back to their old ways, and it's so important. What's coming to me is that, especially let's take it from a new convert perspective the new convert has not been able to walk with God yet. They don't know what that looks like. So all they have is just their old tendencies, all they have and all they know. Maybe it's in good faith, Maybe it's coming from a good place, it's just wrongly utilized. It's like that energy that was for your previous life and now that you've come out of Pharaoh's house, you've gone through the water and now, here you are, don't stand idly by. So, from a ministerial standpoint, we, as the church, we have to really understand that there are babes in Christ for a reason and they will easily be led astray because they can find the good in the old ways, even though it is extremely opposed to their new way of life. So I believe number one this is a call for assignment of the mature Christian to take the young babes under their arms and guide them.

Speaker 1: 8:11

Understand that some people they don't know what to do on Friday night after becoming saved If there's nothing going on at the church like what do you do what you usually do? What do you do what you usually do? They don't know. Are there better radio stations or things to watch or people to be around after becoming saved? Because if not, that golden calf is going to just miraculously show up out of nowhere and you're not even going to know how you did it. And this is also the danger of the parts of tradition, because you can be hardwired for some things and there needs to be some sort of familiarity with a protocol and what tradition will do is you won't even question it. You're just like, well, of course we're going to do this, like, of course I'm still going to. You know, go on certain websites and I'm just looking and and it's like, oh, I'm just going to go over a friend's house, so yeah, I know it's a little late, but and then, like oops, I slipped. And well, okay, yeah, she fell in. Okay, yeah, the, the calf just raised all by itself. I had nothing to do with that.

Speaker 1: 9:26

You know how these people are, aka, you know what world we live in, you know what society is like. So it's one thing to give Aaron a pass and it's another thing to say, well, moses, what were your instructions? Now, granted, maybe you didn't have instructions because you don't know what's going on. But at the same time, it's like there has to be a balance, because I believe that sometimes the church does a lot of damage in the way they deal with people, especially when found in error or, in this case, found with Aaron. We can discourage them.

Speaker 1: 10:05

Now, at this point in time in the scriptures yeah, the people had a different type of fabric about them they can hear a hard message. We, on the other hand, this day, we are increasingly becoming more sensitive to how things are being put and, yes, truth and love, but that needs to have its evolution. That's saying that we start to tolerate, to the point of conforming and compromising our position, but having a special way of communicating effectively. Now here we see in Scripture that, yeah, the people did receive it. It's like well, what else are you going to do? You made us drink our own, you know altar. So, yeah, that's not happening. But had there been other choices, how many would have, you know, chosen the side of God, which is the challenge that we are faced with.

Speaker 1: 11:02

I've seen so many times where good people were ran away by religious people and, honestly, I was one of them. Now, I may not have been one-on-one with them, but the way I would go about teaching it's like well, listen, can you be skilled enough to land with that person while also giving the meat to the more seasoned person? So here we're seeing a I guess you can call it a HR problem, human resources issue. Like, how do you deal with effective discipline? Oh, it can be harsh and you can get your point across. But was it effective here? Yeah, I mean it was, but for us we got to make sure that we don't come unglued and just throw down the whole tablet.

Speaker 1: 12:02

You know, did Moses go overboard with destroying the calf? You know grinding up and in the water and making the people drink it. I mean, I mean I don't know, I don't know, like maybe I'm not sure that's what God told him or that's just how Moses gets when he gets in his bag, like when he gets mad. You go, you don't make you do all of that, but I think that's something to take away from just this part of it. But you also see that Aaron blames the people. He doesn't take any responsibility, which is scary, because it's kind of a narcissistic tendency to say, oh well, look what they made me do. And you know, these are the same people that will say, oh, you make me mad. See you mad, you can become mad. You can choose to be mad after what they say, or you can govern yourself and say listen, society does not dictate a person's actions.

Speaker 1: 13:07

I heard this quote and I'll never forget it. I forgot who said it, but it was something like said it, but it was something like in our final day, we will not be judged on what we believe you, you will be judged on what you knew. Aaron, what did you know? I know that's what you believe, but you knew better. So that's that's where you'll be judged. So that's where you'll be judged.

Speaker 3: 14:23

I'm loving that you brought it in this angle, because one thing we have to realize as Christians we're going to have new converts. They do have a past and in them having a past, we have to start teaching them to release the past, to walk in the newness of life. That's called having a relationship right. We, in the body, we've baptized without establishing relationship. You're baptizing people and you don't even know who they are. They don't even know who you are. I'm going to take us to New Testament. Our Lord and Savior had relationship with people and in him having a relationship with him, they became his disciples, became his disciples. That's the pattern that we have to have today. So, moses, these people, whether we believe it or not, they didn't know Moses. Think about it. They said this fellow, moses, this fellow like I don't know that man, but they knew Aaron. Aaron knows their past. Aaron knows where they come from, because Aaron was a part of that group, hence why it was so easy for him to say to them give me your earrings. And here comes this golden calf, because that's what they're accustomed to.

Speaker 3: 16:01

If you're shackled to bondage, you're going to always remain shackled to bondage Once you become free. You have to know that you are free. If you don't know that you're free, you're going to continue operating in the shackles. Hence Juneteenth Right, we have a set of people and I tell people all the time American history is not Adney's history. Adney's history is Haitian history. But when I read about, you know how people were free. But people in Texas didn't even know it was free. They were still. They were still enslaved. These people were still enslaved to the gods of the Egyptians. These people were still enslaved to the gods of the Egyptians. So, because they were still enslaved to the gods of the Egyptians and they had no relationship with Moses, make us God. They saw everything that God did. They saw it. They saw it hands down. They saw how God told them to put the blood and the death angel pass. They saw the frogs. They saw the gnat. They saw all of that, all of those wonders. But again, if you don't know that you're free, you're going to remain in bondage, you're going to remain shackled to Egypt. And they did not realize that they were free. And I love how you said that Aaron didn't take responsibility. Out of everyone, aaron should have been, because half the stuff was done by him. He was the mouthpiece, like God used you to talk, since your brother say he couldn't do it. So how you. If anybody had a relationship with Moses, it should have been you saying wait a minute, hold up, he, he's talking to God. Let's be patient. But again, if you don't recognize that you're free, you're going to remain in bondage. Let's bring it to modern day.

Speaker 3: 18:06

When we are going out to save souls, we have to establish relationship. We have to teach them Jesus, because it's not about teaching them the church, it's about teaching them Christ and him crucified. It's about getting them into a relationship with Christ before we dip them in the water, because what happens is oh my goodness, I don't have to live this lifestyle. I may struggle with it, but because I love God, I don't have to be in bondage to it, and that's what we have to get to y'all. And I'm learning this more now than ever. I was taught church. Now I'm learning. I am part of the church. I'm a flawed individual, I sin, but learning Jesus and him crucified and how I have to let this mind be in me, which was also in Christ Jesus. They didn't have the mind of God, so did we expect anything less from the children of Israel. No, because, if we're honest, many of us have been enslaved to our path. Some of us we've been freed. I'm just saying.

Speaker 2: 19:24

Amen, amen, yeah. Yeah, both of you guys brought us some really great points. But what I want to say, just to add on to what y'all said I like how y'all brought up the new converts thing, but for me it was God called Aaron into, you know, a position of high priest in Exodus, chapter 28. So not only that, he was Moses' right hand man, but here's a calling, and we know what the priests in that day stood for. The priests were like a mediator between God and the people. They're the ones that went before God and they sacrificed on behalf of the people when they committed such sins. So when I think about those things Aaron being a high priest and then we fast forward to Exodus 32, you would think, as a leader, as the high priest, someone who goes before God on behalf of the people, that he would know better. So the Bible says, for what much is given, more is required. Because, a leader, you expect them to have some kind of spiritual maturity, right? Because we know the children of Israel, we could say that, okay, they don't know better. All they knew was being in bondage, mentally and physically, when they were in Egypt. And here it is they're in the wilderness. They tell an errand, to build them a golden cap. And this is where the leadership part comes in, because even when Moses came down, moses specifically said in 21, verse 21 of chapter 32, what did these people do to you? That's like a person that's weak converting a person that's strong. You would think that they ought to know better, right? So here's again. These people are not high priests, they're just regular, they're sheep. They're sheep. And here's a leader that has a high position, and Moses confronted Aaron and say man, what these people did to you, what these people, it's equivalent to like a seasoned Christian. And that's why I say I like the fact that y'all brought up a new convert, because the new converts, they don't know any better. It takes time, it takes pruning, it takes seasons for them to grow into maturity. So, yeah, new converts, they're going to do a lot of things and you know, we got to work with them, be patient with them. We got to pray with them, have Bible studies with them and show them the way to build a relationship with Christ. But it's equivalent to a new convert, a new convert causing a seasoned Christian to fall short, as though the seasoned Christian is a new convert, right? So the new convert could say hey, man, you know I'm used to doing this. And then the leader could say yeah, you know what You're right, let's go ahead and do it. So you would think that the seasoned Christian would know better, and that's why I'm seeing this.

Speaker 2: 22:12

And Aaron replied, even unto Moses, and said look, moses, you know how prone these people have, a tendency to sin. They love evil. He said these people are prone to evil, to doing evil Again. It goes back to saying that Aaron, he should have known better. And I like the thought that Moses, he confronted Aaron because you need leaders like that. You need leaders that when a leader, another leader, is in error, you need another leader to rebuke a leader in love, because we know that open rebuke is better than secret love.

Speaker 2: 22:51

Because imagine you have this leader, moses, and this leader, aaron, and he notices Aaron build a golden cap and he just looks side-eyed like he didn't see nothing, like I see it, but I didn't see it. Now, keep in mind, moses just had a conversation with God. So imagine, picture a scenery where Moses come down. He said yeah, I see it, but I don't see it after having a conversation with God. But it shows you that Moses was willing to confront his brother, his high priest, and said like dude, like you, good, like what happened to you, we did all this miraculous things with God and here you are, you building a golden cap. You took heed, you listened to these stiff neck individuals and you did exactly what they wanted you to do. You didn't have to do that. So this is where his leadership shoes, his leadership capture the kid, kick in and he should have, kind of like, rebuked the people and properly instruct them about the ordinance of the Lord.

Speaker 3: 23:45

Okay, and I'm going to say this again Aaron was in bondage. Just because you're elevated to leadership does not know that you know how to govern the office that you have been given. You can be convinced and not convicted. Convinced and not convicted. What Aaron showed was like he was convinced. He didn't show a conviction in trusting God, my spiritual father, clyde Ruzon.

Speaker 3: 24:17

He always said sometimes, when you look at leaders in the church, yes, they say they desire the position. But what does that mean? Sometimes they desire the work but they don't desire. I'm sorry, they desire the office but they don't desire what comes with that office. Right, the flock you have to be able to defend. You have to be able to teach, you have to be able to do all this different stuff. If you're saying you want to be an elder or a deacon, sometimes it's just for the title and not so much so for the position. He had the title but he did not fulfill the position because in the position he would know wait a minute.

Speaker 3: 25:07

I'm the one that went with Moses to Pharaoh. God put me in a position to talk to this man. I would have never had that. The only reason Aaron was able to go before Pharaoh was because of Moses, because Moses grew up in the house. Aaron would never have been called to stand in front of Pharaoh. He was a slave and he was honestly operating in his slave mentality, no matter how much he said. You know how evil these people are. You're part of that because you hadn't been freed either, because you took Egypt with you into the wilderness and you didn't leave Egypt behind when everything that was done, you had a hand in it. Aaron had a hand in it. Yes, god elevated him, but Aaron didn't elevate. Aaron didn't elevate. God can elevate us and we still stay in the same position and God is saying come on, I'm taking you higher, I'm elevating you, but you're still in that same position. God elevated Aaron. Aaron didn't elevate himself.

Speaker 1: 26:17

No, no, I love that. It's just gosh. I mean, everything you guys were saying. I'm like, oh my, my gosh, oh my gosh. It's like hyperlinks you click and the whole webpage pulls up of things to say and thoughts, gosh.

Speaker 1: 26:36

So I was watching I think it's a YouTube channel, it's like Middle Ground or Jubilee, whatever, where they have two opposing ideologies. They come and they meet and they talk about various subjects and I guess the algorithm chose Christian versus ex-Christian. And I didn't listen to the whole thing, but maybe about halfway through I'm like okay, because I was washing dishes. About halfway through I'm like okay, because I was washing dishes. So a lot of the ex-Christians you know it was basically like well, this is what I see people doing that say that they believe and that's a contradiction, so I don't believe it. And then you know the Christians on the Christian side, those who profess. I mean they made a lot of good points, but for me now, mind you, I did not listen to the whole thing, so maybe it was brought up later.

Speaker 1: 27:36

But what we try to, where we go wrong a lot of the times, is we look at the, at the human representation of the supernatural order, and we judge the order on the performance of the human. If the human messes up, we then say, well, that supernatural order, that parting of the Red Sea, the plagues, you know all that is defunct. All that is defunct Because you had, at least on this particular episode, you know, you had, you know people who were homosexual and they just saw that. You know, yeah, there's just so much hate toward the community and I just wanted to be loved and I thought Jesus was love. So, you know, they had their own ideologies and me. I'm listening to a lot of it and of course, there was a lot more said, even some diabolical things too. But I'm like you know what, if you just take the human element out and leave it just on Jesus, it'll answer all your questions. Because that's just like. That's just like me saying you know what I don't believe in the gym, because every time I go to the gym I see a fat person, but it's me looking at myself in the mirror. Yeah, you're fat. Behind on walking in. Yeah, look at you, I'll be in the gym. Well, where are they supposed to be? Someone who's out of shape, they're supposed to be there. Someone who's in shape? They're supposed to be there. It's for everyone. This is not me promoting a gym, I'm just trying to give the example of that.

Speaker 1: 29:16

When we look at the Bible not even the church when we look at the Bible, the Bible can stand on its own merit. By the time you lower your optics to the person, you've already messed up. You'll always find something wrong. You will always find something to make an excuse. You will always find a reason to you know kind of bend, a rule here and there. That's why we are to be Christ-like, that is why we are to be in the image of God, be in the image of God. And that is going to take, if you're listening, your whole entire life. And even if you lived a hundred lives, you still wouldn't get it right.

Speaker 1: 30:09

Because one of the big points of especially and this is going back to new converts and how they're led astray and then where Aaron went wrong and you know where we go wrong is that we may not say it this way, but we act this way. We say you know what, act like me. And if you watch anyone close enough, you're going to find a contradiction which is going to undo and unpack but what the new convert needs to understand and what Moses needs to understand and we will read that he did understand that is, that there is grace, that your perfection is actually made in you striving for perfection, it's in the progress of. So when I listen to people do the interview and they try to compare Christianity as a whole with the performance of people, it's like no, you're missing it, it's Christ, the individual. I can go on a long rant about that.

Speaker 1: 31:12

But we also see here, you know, in Aaron's position, someone I mean, if he's just the politician, who's going to be the spokesperson for, you know, for the, you know, commander in chief? I guess Moses. He was just doing his job. He was just doing his job, didn't say he was doing a good job, he was doing his job. But how many people are, in their own minds, justified in what they're doing by doing their own job but doing damage? And here's the thing he knew he was doing damage because he said you know how prone these people are to evil.

Speaker 1: 31:52

So you knew that going in, but yet you still conformed what's normal is not natural Just because it's the norm. Look at how many things are normal now. Now, I'm not going to start pointing out things, but it doesn't take too much whether you want to look at it from a financial standpoint, a familial standpoint, a faith standpoint. There are a lot of things in this world that are normal but not natural. When I say natural, I mean like the natural order in which God intended for it to be. So when we look at the norm, it just gives us a sedative for any type of judgment. We don't feel the heat because we look to the left, we look to the right. Everyone's doing it, the whole crowd's doing it.

Speaker 1: 32:46

When you're in sin, listen, you're in good company, but look at where Moses is. When you're close to God, you're isolated. And it's going to take isolation, biblical phrasing, sanctification, to do this Because, listen, you know how these people are. Listen, the ocean is always going to be bigger than you, but it's your job as the Christian, on learning how to navigate those waters. We're not saying don't get in the water. Get in the water, go into the wilderness, navigate through this and you're going to be by yourself most of the time in terms of physical aspect. But guess what? We have an advocate. We do have a guide. We have someone who's been there, done that. Matter of fact. I made the woods, I made the water, I made the people, I got the manufacturer's warranty and manual on how to deal with people and it's called the Bible. So if you try to do this on your own, of course you're going to, not because, because understand this, how did the devil first appear?

Speaker 1: 34:03

Subtle, little little bit of influence, a little bit of persuasion. Let's look at it from a different angle, because that's what serpents do. They don't travel in a straight line, they slither. They're always coming at some sort of angle. So now you hear Aaron's angle. He's actually more evil than these people because now he put a voice to their dysfunction. No one in that crowd said hey, aaron, you know we evil. Right, let's make a calf.

Speaker 2: 34:42

No one said that. Amen, amen, yeah, yeah. Let me say this before we wrap things up, man Ray, you brought us some great points, man and man, we probably could go another hour based on what you just said, but I just want to wrap things up and I'll have Adney say some closing remarks. But this is what I want to say, based on what you said, ray. And the thing is, when we look at godly individuals, people that consider themselves Christians I like how you brought up sometimes people look at folk right, and they have reasons to why they don't want to follow God, because they may look at the church per se Christians. They're hypocrites. They're doing the same things we do. Ain't no difference, right? So people do that because they don't want to follow Jesus. But this is what I want to say. So, when we read scriptures like this this is why I say we need Jesus because we are fallible, we are imperfect, and we need someone, someone greater than us, that could help us in our imperfections. So when we read stories like Aaron and Moses and things that, and even throughout the whole Bible, because there was only one perfect being, his name was Jesus I recall in my Bible, in Genesis, chapter two, verse 17, it says but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat, for in the day that thou shalt eateth thereof, thou shalt surely die. That's a spiritual death and a physical death. So Adam and Eve ate from the tree of good and evil and of course they became like gods. They was already gods, but they were deceived by the enemy. So now it's a choice. We could choose to do good or we could choose to do evil. But God is saying like, hey, I'm going to give you the wisdom so you could be able to make the right decisions. But what man does, man, you know, every time that I want to do good, evil is always present. So that's why he said the people were prone to evil, like that's what they know. They know to do what's wrong. But, like we said, we would hope that out of all the great things that God was doing in Aaron's life by using him, he would know better. Right? So I like how you brought that up, ray. And also one final thought is that and I know you guys said it that Aaron didn't take responsibility, and it goes to show you it goes back to the garden how, when God told Adam hey, where are you Right? And then they start playing the blame game. Adam, it's the wife you gave me, the woman Eve. No, it's the serpent. So, instead of Aaron's taking responsibility you know what? You know what, moses? These people are prone to evil he could have told Moses hey, moses, yeah, you're right, you're right, that's on me. So, ray, I've been watching the playoff basketball games, the playoffs, the NBA playoffs is on right now and in some teams, man, they begin to be real bad man.

Speaker 2: 37:49

I'm not going to call no teams out like that, not on this podcast. But when I watched the basketball game and I'm like man I'm not going to call no teams out like that, not on this podcast. But when I watch the basketball game and I'm like man, boy, they got blown out by 30. They get blown out by 40. And then they have a press conference After the game, the news reporters, they talk to the star players, and the star players, with the star players, they'll say hey, man, what you think happened in the game?

Speaker 2: 38:08

And then some star players not all the ones that get it they say you know what? I put that loss on me. They take ownership, they take responsibility because they look at it like man, it's something that I could have done better. Maybe I was slacking, maybe I didn't take heed to the coach's instructions. Maybe I didn't take heed to God's instructions, right? Maybe it was a play that the coach wanted me to fulfill and I didn't fulfill it. Maybe it was a play that God wanted me to fulfill and I didn't fulfill it. So I think the player came to the knowledge of. You know what? It's on me. I got to take responsibility, and that's what I want to say, because God has the blueprint, god has the playbook, which is the Bible and His Holy Spirit, which is the Bible and his Holy Spirit, but it's up to each individual to take heed to that in order to be a better saint today than they were yesterday. Go ahead, adni.

Speaker 3: 39:02

I'm just loving this discussion and again, what always comes to mind is this we are here as spirits on a human journey and not humans on a spiritual journey. That's from Brother Daniels and then Brother Orpheus. I love when he said this in a sermon he preached. He said we are quick to say there are hypocrites in the church, but you have hypocrites on your job, you have hypocrites in the store.

Speaker 2: 39:28

Lord have mercy.

Speaker 3: 39:29

You have hypocrites that drive. You ain't stopping any of that. You still go to work. You still go to the store. You have hypocrites that drive. You ain't stopping any of that. You still go to work. You still go to the supermarket, you still drive. So why is it, when it comes to a relationship with Jesus, you focus on the hypocrites? All of us wear masks. If anybody understands the definition of hypocrite, it literally just means actor. Every single last one of us are actors, period.

Speaker 1: 40:01

Especially you, annie, in your play you're about to watch. We're not going to call you a hypocrite like that, but you know, just it was there, I couldn't help it. I couldn't help it. I know we're trying to be serious, but, sorry, I'll mute.

Speaker 3: 40:12

Help it, I couldn't help it, I know we're trying to be serious, but, sorry, I'll mute my mic. We all have to understand the only reason we transform is to allow Jesus to have his way with us. We can take a look at Aaron and see Aaron's flaws. All of us are flawed. The only person that can change us, that can transform us, is Jesus. We got to keep our eyes on him and him alone. What that shows me is Aaron took his eyes off of God and he allowed the people to distract him, and he and he forgot everything that just happened before they got into that wilderness. We do that every single day. So if I'm going to say something to someone Hold on One more.

Speaker 3: 40:57

One more, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 40:58

I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead, okay. All I'm saying is that now we don't want anyone to listen to this and say, okay, well, the church is full of hypocrites and therefore I'm not going to go. Brother Vance Davis said this and I'm like. Well, there it is. You have to ask yourself the question, just like Adney alluded to by quoting some of the other great ministers, about there's hypocrites everywhere, but you still got to function. The reason why you still need to be in church is because of this thought Whenever you have people, you're going to have problems. You're always going to have hypocrites. Now the question is would you rather spend, let's say, 30, 40, 50 years with the hypocrite in church or an eternity in hell with them?

Speaker 2: 41:41

Mercy. That's a mic drop. All right, y'all, stay tuned for the next episode. God bless y'all. Remember that Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and he's the Lord of Lords. Be blessed. That's it for now, but before we go, please continue to listen, subscribe and share our podcast. Also, if you want to support our show, please scroll down to the bottom of the show notes and click on the link that says buy me a coffee. We would greatly appreciate it. Thank you for listening and remember God is good all the time and all the time God is good and also Jesus Christ loves you. Thank you.