The Sailor Jerry Podcast
71 - Tattoo Artist Freddie Albrighton
Ever wondered what it takes to create a truly unique tattoo? Join us on the Sailor Jerry podcast as we chat with the incredibly talented Freddie Albrighton, who takes us on a journey from his humble beginnings in Stourbridge to his rise on Ink Master. Freddie delves into his creative process, balancing client requests with his artistic vision, and reveals how his impulsive approach to finalizing designs keeps his work fresh and exciting.
Freddie opens up about the challenges and triumphs of his Ink Master experience, where he earned a remarkable second-place finish. We also explore his appreciation for traditional tattoo aesthetics and his personal journey in balancing multiple creative passions, including his venture into the fragrance industry. He reveals the artistic and practical challenges of running a fragrance brand while maintaining a successful tattoo career, all while emphasizing the importance of having fun and making the most out of life. Tune in for a goldmine of inspiration and practical advice for aspiring artists and tattoo enthusiasts alike! As always, brought to you by Sailor Jerry!
https://www.instagram.com/freddiealbrighton/
https://sailorjerry.com
Ever wondered what it takes to create a truly unique tattoo? Join us on the Sailor Jerry podcast as we chat with the incredibly talented Freddie Albrighton, who takes us on a journey from his humble beginnings in Stourbridge to his rise on Ink Master. Freddie delves into his creative process, balancing client requests with his artistic vision, and reveals how his impulsive approach to finalizing designs keeps his work fresh and exciting.
Freddie opens up about the challenges and triumphs of his Ink Master experience, where he earned a remarkable second-place finish. We also explore his appreciation for traditional tattoo aesthetics and his personal journey in balancing multiple creative passions, including his venture into the fragrance industry. He reveals the artistic and practical challenges of running a fragrance brand while maintaining a successful tattoo career, all while emphasizing the importance of having fun and making the most out of life. Tune in for a goldmine of inspiration and practical advice for aspiring artists and tattoo enthusiasts alike! As always, brought to you by Sailor Jerry!
https://www.instagram.com/freddiealbrighton/
https://sailorjerry.com
Freddie Albrighton here on the Sailor Jerry podcast. How's life right now? How's everything over in the UK?
Speaker 2:Yeah, everything's good. It's busy. I mean, I live in a really quiet small town so life is chill, but I've been trying to travel around a little bit more. So I've just got back from a week in London in a really cool studio and, yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 1:Awesome, and you're south of Birmingham, right.
Speaker 2:I am. I'm kind of slightly southwest, Just. Yeah, it's a small town called Stourbridge. It's not a lot there, it's just countryside and, yeah, just quaint little towns. Is that where you grew up? Yeah, pretty much. I grew up just in the countryside. Basically I had a very relaxed, quiet childhood I guess. But when I was kind of a teenager and everything, my parents traveled quite a bit. So I started traveling quite a lot. I lived overseas a bit and I'm just kind of used to moving around, just going here, there and everywhere. I've never really settled somewhere, so I've always kind of migrated back to the Birmingham area. It's just accessible.
Speaker 1:Nice, any sort of artistry in the family or anything like that.
Speaker 2:No, I mean yes, I think my like my grandparents painted and stuff like that. My mom loves writing and I have some musicians in the family. So yeah, I think so, but everyone explores it in different ways, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's cool, that's cool. So how did you start gravitating toward the arts?
Speaker 2:So how did you start gravitating toward the arts? Um, I think it was just in high school. I was kind of I was a bit of a a nerd in high school. I guess I say that in a good way, obviously. Um, I kind of was kind of good at reasonably good at most things, but I definitely gravitated more towards art classes and English, english language and literature and stuff. So I was very quickly realized that that was what I was good at and found it easy at least. And then I started to push that more in slightly higher education. I didn't go to university or anything. I dropped out of college but I was in college doing fine art and photography. But the kind of art I was more interested in when I was in college was more contemporary, pretentious shit. Basically a lot of like installation work, a lot of like digital social projects and yeah things like that.
Speaker 2:So, uh, yeah, I think I've always been drawn to kind of slightly more outsidery stuff. I guess that's how I got into tattooing as well, because it's such like an. I guess originally it's a very outsider art yeah, awesome and what, what?
Speaker 1:uh? What kind of music were you listening to in school, like high school college? What were you doing?
Speaker 2:uh I well I. I guess I kind of grew up with my parents playing me like kate bush and oh wow and stuff like that, so like Kate Bush and Bjork and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So I've always been drawn to really weird voices. That's like my thing. So my music taste. I used to listen to a lot of things, mainly electronic generally, and bands like the Knife, the Swedish bands. I used to listen to the Knife like my whole childhood, teenage years, I think. Just because the singer, karen Drager, she kind of distorts her voice so it sounds like masculine and yeah, I'm really into that, like I'm much more interested in someone's voice as opposed to what genre of music it is. So it can go from something weird and electronic to like the Bulgarian women's choir, like I love them both.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I my, my music taste was very weird. I was always trying to find the, the, the strange stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, have you ever seen Bjork live?
Speaker 2:I haven't. No, I was going to go to the last tour, but I I haven't really resonated with the later albums as much.
Speaker 1:So yeah, no, have you yeah, I saw her once at a festival, it was. It was awesome really, and I have you ever been to iceland iceland's a trip, have you ever?
Speaker 2:tattooed there or anything. Yeah, I went to iceland last year. I took my uh, my husband there for his 30th hell.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, it's a really cool place. We did a, a festival in brejkovic there years ago and man it was. I mean we had the best time. It was like I mean, it's kind of just like being on Mars for a bit. But then it kind of settles in and you realize there's just you know, it's just another place that's got a lot of great things to offer, so I was stoked to go there.
Speaker 2:It was really cool, really beautiful too. It really is. Yeah, we said that it was probably one of the best places we've ever been. I think like it's so expensive but if you've saved a little bit of money it can be like, in a weird way, just absolute luxury, but so natural, like the fact that you can just go to these remote hot springs where there's like swim up bars and you can just walk into the like sea at one degrees. It's like it's amazing, yeah, we loved it.
Speaker 1:How did tattooing come into your life?
Speaker 2:I think, honestly, it's a bit cringy, but the truth is that when I was a teenager it's when all of us were emo kids and tattoos were just becoming cool and kids in our college were underage getting tattooed. It was like this, not a new thing, but it was a new thing for like kids and like teenagers to be interested in this. So I kind of hit it right around that time and, um, thankfully I waited before I got my first ones. I was only 18, but I waited till I was 18 and, yeah, I just thought it was like the kind of culture that at the time we all wanted to be a part of.
Speaker 2:It was in fashion, which is so cringey, but that is how I got interested in it, because we all were. I didn't think it would necessarily be a career, I was more just interested in getting them at first and because I was a teenager, I was getting anything that was cheap or free. So I got covered in absolute shit. But, yeah, I just got into it that way and then, yeah, the journey I guess where I'm now is a little bit longer than that, but that's what first got me interested.
Speaker 1:Is it true that you that you didn't like Apprentice, you just started at a shop?
Speaker 2:Yeah, pretty much. I was working in a pretty dingy market shop where they let me just buy a machine and charge really cheap until I got good. So I ruined people. But there we go. Yeah, that is how I started and I picked it up relatively quickly. I don't really draw or paint now and I haven't for years, but I could when I was younger. So and it felt quite natural I picked it up. I wouldn't say I picked it up quickly, but I wasn't scared by it, you know. So I was very overly confident and I think that helped me get good quicker.
Speaker 1:I mean, you've got such a signature style now. How long did it take you to get comfortable with just tattooing in general?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think, realistically, four or five years before I was doing tattoos where I wasn't nervous before I did one. So like, like now I don't get nervous at all when I do a tattoo, but of course. But yeah, it took a while before I was even nervous. That doesn't necessarily mean they were the best tattoos, but I did them with confidence and I think you can see that in someone's work If they do it with confidence, whether it's great or it's not, there's something there you can. You can see it, you can feel it, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely can see it, you can feel it. You know, yeah, absolutely. And you know, I wanted to talk to you about your creative process because, um, the idea of someone coming to you and being like, hey, um, you know, let's just say I want a portrait of princess diana or something like that, and like the the kind of freddy filter that you put it through, um, to create an original image, is really something that intrigues me and I think is really really cool and super unique to you. What's going on in your head when someone you know wants an original tattoo from you and has like a basic idea Like how do you kind of put your spin on it? What's going through your mind to create that image?
Speaker 2:I think, uh, it's hard because I have like an inner torment with trying not to just go back to what I'm, what I've done before and I'm good at so like I know, I can make someone happy in like a few minutes with like banging out a design with some signature flares on that. They've seen me do a million times. But when people are coming to me these days, a lot of it is honestly trial and error. Like that's the great thing about technology with tattooing these days. Um, I grew up when I was in doing art in college. A lot of it was like digital, a lot of like photo manipulation, editing and stuff. Yeah, so I'm quite quick with that kind of stuff, so I can. That's the cool thing. You can put something together, you can play with a color palette and then within 10 seconds you can try every single color palette you could possibly think of and then go back to the original in a second. So I find it really quick and easy and efficient to just blast through a lot of ideas and I really don't overthink it.
Speaker 2:Like I don't spend admittedly, I don't spend that long on my designs because I feel like I'm going to spend more time tattooing it and I can put more flair into like the texture and stuff. When I'm actually doing it, the design is more like a structure of like. Does the composition work? Is the scale of everything cool? Is the palette good? Is the contrast good? If I say yes to all that, in like a second I'll send it off and I'm like it's done. See, I really try not to overthink it. I'm very, very impulsive and I'll make quick decisions in a design that I'm like oh that's cool. I haven't tried that before. Let's try that and see if they like it.
Speaker 1:That's so cool. That's so cool that you trust your gut with that stuff. And obviously it's a, you know it's a, it's a skill and confidence acquired over time. But from the outside, looking in, when I see your work, I'm always I was so curious about, like you know what's like the turnaround time on like a you know, on a design, like someone who just walks in, or is it something where if someone makes an appointment with you, they kind of have to give you enough time to create? You know what you're going to create, or can someone just walk in and kind of have an idea and you can do it on the fly there? To know that you can kind of work that quickly is incredible, man. It's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd say of. Of course. Sometimes some people will throw me off and they'll say something and I'll be, like how the fuck do I come up with something cool for that?
Speaker 2:and I can spend a little while then battling ideas. But, um, generally I won't really finalize or even like work on a design in bulk until like the day before I'm doing it, so that the ideas are fresh, like even if someone books in for like six months time. I might gather my references and start spitballing a few ideas, but I won't finish it and really spend a bit of time on it until it's I'm about to do it the next day, cause then I'm excited about it, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and that's that's. You know, it's cool, it's cool to see the artistry that way in in. It's cool to see the artistry that way in the work you do and in tattooing.
Speaker 2:How long were you tattooing before Ink Master happened? I would say about eight and a half to nine years, so quite a while, yeah, awesome.
Speaker 1:So what was that process like getting that show? Did you audition for it? Was it something? How did that come about?
Speaker 2:well, I, I got an invite just by email, so I thought it was spam at first so I just ignored it. And then got another one so I replied um, but ink must has never really been much of a thing in the uk like I think people have heard of it, but obviously it was on Spike TV and stuff before that and we don't have that so and no British artists have been on it before. That's crazy Really, yeah. Yeah, our season was the first time they've had non-Americans on there, so it was cool. I didn't really know what it would do for me, so I went on with a very open mind. Yeah, so I got an invite. Basically I don't know how or why, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well it's. You know it's obvious because you're, you're, you're talented and and you know you almost won the damn thing. You know you came in second place. Some say you were robbed of first place. You know, is there any hard feelings there about the finish of the show?
Speaker 2:No, I think when I came back from the show I was very disappointed, like I only went there to win. I didn't go there just to like have fun, because I came back with a lot of debt from all the rent that I'd been paying while I was over there filming and I didn't win any prize money. So I was like broke when I came back. So I was bitter about it and I didn't agree with a lot of the decisions throughout the show. But that's why I'm not a judge, you know like and it's tv, so I'm very.
Speaker 2:I was prepared for any outcome, like I, I didn't know how good everyone else would be for all. I knew I could have gone home first or second, so I was prepared for any outcome. Like I, I didn't know how good everyone else would be for all I knew I could have gone home first or second, so I was prepared for any outcome. It just sucks to get like so close, like so close and then come back with nothing. But I met great people there and the guy who won bobby like me and him were like best mates the whole season. So, uh, he's super cool and I just can't wait to hang out with him again, so there's no hard feelings that's crazy.
Speaker 2:They didn't like compensate for, like rent or anything like that, while you guys were no, but it's like it's exposure and yeah, yeah, you're getting a lot from it, so yeah for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1:Have you noticed? I was gonna say, have you noticed like, uh, you know, a pretty big impact on your career since the show?
Speaker 2:I have, but I feel like I haven't seen the full extent of it yet, because right now I'm still um in my studio. I'm just busier now and I'm getting invites to come to cool conventions and stuff, which is great, but I think until I get over to the States, that's when I'll see the real impact, because the show is so much bigger there, so more people want to book with you. The population is so much bigger. The tattoo scene is huge over there. You, the population's so much bigger. The tattoo scene is huge over there, like we're a small country, you know. So, um, yeah, I feel like I've still got a lot more that I can do with it in the coming couple of years, but right now I'm just, I'm just busy, which is good because it's been a few years of being dead, so you know yeah, hell, yeah, busy's good, busy's good what about?
Speaker 1:What about? Are you planning on coming to the States anytime soon?
Speaker 2:I am. So I'm currently it's a long process. I'm currently working on a visa so I can legally come and work and do the conventions and stuff and advertise it without all that worrying about getting caught. If I did it on the sly, it's just not worth it. So I'm doing it the legal way. It's very long winded. I'm like six months into gathering paperwork for my visa, but it should be ready to send off soon. It's very boring but, yes, soon. I'm going to try and get out at least once this year. But next year is going to be my year of more travel, coming to the States, more working everywhere. Yeah, it'll be cool.
Speaker 1:Was there a time in your life when you were kind of, you know, bouncing around the world a little bit, just kind of you know, seeking some artistic inspiration?
Speaker 2:I think so. Yeah, when I was very young I was like 19 and 20. I was living in New Zealand for a couple of years but I was fresh out of college well, fresh dropout from college. So I didn't really know what I wanted to do. I was going to like a part-time fashion school because I thought I wanted to make clothes, um. So, yeah, I didn't have a clue what I wanted to do, but I guess the most pivotal was, um, probably in like my mid to late 20s, when I was like 26, 27, I went.
Speaker 2:I just did a big road trip around Europe on my own and just tattooed in every country, from the north of Sweden to, yeah, the south of France, basically and further. So I traveled everywhere and that was cool because it was just like learning from other artists, because I'd been tied to one shop pretty much exclusively for a few years before that and in my head I'd been working in the studio where realistic tattooing was like the peak of tattooing. And then I went traveling and realized that that just wasn't the case whatsoever and learned from a lot of cool artists who were really outsiders and didn't want to be involved in the kind of pretentious side of the industry and it was cool. Yeah, I learned a lot from those people and I think that's why my style got a little more like, I guess, rebellious or experimental when I got back. So I kind of took all that knowledge with me and, yeah, it's things like that which keep you excited about tattooing.
Speaker 1:That's super cool. I always like when people are able to kind of gain like any sort of extra insight or, like you know, knowledge from being able to travel and like work with other artists, see other artists. It's always such a cool experience. Man, you know you've you've described your style as, as you know, cool colored stuff, which is, uh, you know, got a kind of a simple explanation for the incredible work that you do. But I like I like things simple like that For our listeners out there. Obviously, this podcast is named after Norman Collins, who's one of the godfathers of traditional tattooing, and anyone familiar with your work knows that you are kind of far from a traditional tattoo artist. I'm curious as to how you view traditional tattoo tattooing, because someone who, um, you know, is very much, uh, you know, individualistic and what you create and obviously, uh, you know, the craft is the craft and the skill is the skill when it comes to tattooing. But artistically, you know, how do you kind of view traditional tattoos versus what you do?
Speaker 2:um, that's a very complicated question. In some kind of weird way I am mostly drawn to tattooists who do the polar opposite to me, so I don't really have an interest in looking at anyone's tattoos who do similar stuffish stuff or work in like realistic-y styles or whatever. I like minimalism and people I don't know doing ignorant tattooing and just anything that's like the polar opposite to mine from whether it's a technical standpoint or a design standpoint, whatever. But traditional tattooing, I don't know. I feel like obviously I appreciate it, I love the way it looks, I have traditional tattoos. I'd probably.
Speaker 2:There's some artists I worked with at a convention recently who just did traditional and I was like, oh, I want something by you because their work was so cool, it was such a very, very subtle spin on just traditional tattooing. But, um, from a personal standpoint, I guess I just don't really include it that much in my work, so I just don't relate to it, like I didn't grow, I didn't get trained in that environment where there was that history, um, or even simple things from like the whole standpoint of building your own machine and having that traditional apprenticeship and the whole traditional lifestyle of tattooing and the culture that I've never been around that, so I don't relate to it, but I like looking at it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's cool. I like that. Tradition is such like a weird. You know it's a weird word because it's subjective. It's like from a punk rock standpoint. You know the word tradition. It's like traditional tattoos are cool, but like traditional, like like a traditional life, is like kind of boring and like that's not something I'm used to. It's like it's, it's a weird. It's a weird thing, I think, aesthetically. Um, you know it's, it's. It speaks to me, but I totally get how it could not speak to someone else. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's interesting that you said that. I think I feel feel that way as well. I like the aesthetics of it and I like the simplicity and the showcase of just like more more craftsmanship than artistic skill, I guess yeah if I'm being blunt. But uh yeah, but yeah the, I've never really thought about the linguistics of it. It it's interesting that it's called traditional and yet it kind of. That's kind of everything we don't want to tattoo. To be a tattoo person yeah, that's cool. I hadn't thought about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, awesome. Well, let's let's switch gears here to to fragrances, because you have your own fragrance brand, by the way, for people. There's there's a lot of creativity and artistry that goes into it. So, just first and foremost, what's going on with the brand now? What's what's coming up on the radar? Um, how's everything going?
Speaker 2:I mean, if I'm honest, I really was hoping after ink master that it would blow up, which it was. It was creeping towards. We were trying to get into the american market and all this because I have retailers all over Europe. But I have just been so busy tattooing that I've almost had to press pause on it for a while. So I'm kind of taking a breather with it and I'm kind of, whatever stock I have and whatever I'm still doing with it, I'm kind of trying to bring it back into my tattooing and sell it at places like conventions as my merch, because I've made it and it took me years of work and whatnot.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I'm kind of keeping it a bit more chill rather than blowing it up like I expected, because I'm trying to blow my tattooing up more, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what I was going to ask. You know, it's like you get to that point where you know you have two things that I imagine require in order to be successful a lot of attention and a lot of focus from you. So I know that has to be kind of hard, kind of juggling those two things. You know and then you know, usually the universe, in one way or another, has a way of kind of saying OK, well, you know, focus on this for right now. Like you're saying, if things slow down with one, you can kind of lean on the other completely but what makes a good fragrance to you Like.
Speaker 1:What's it all about?
Speaker 2:It's kind of similar to tattooing in a way. Like you were saying like oh, fragrances are like it can be just like. Tattooing can be art or it can just be a craft where it's like you put these pieces together and you get this and people like it. So there's a. There's a weird thing with perfume. The reason I got into it was because initially, my interest in perfume was looking at contemporary artists who were using perfume as installation work.
Speaker 2:So I was always really into non-tangible installations, so people who were using light or sound as their artwork. And then I met a lot of perfumers who were creating scented spaces that told a narrative so I used to write about that. I loved it. I met loads of perfumers. I got really interested in the chemistry behind it. Then I just got into understanding that there were people who designed this and made this stuff. So I don't necessarily think all perfumes art, as in commercial like it can't just be a commercial product and it's where do you put savage on the scale of art?
Speaker 1:I would say that's a successful commercial product.
Speaker 2:But, uh, good for them. Um, but yeah, it's, it's a, it's a fine line, so it's been interesting setting the brand up. I set it up in lockdown just because I really didn't have any time Well, I wasn't allowed to tattoo anyone, so I had all the time in the world. And, yeah, it was just finding a fine balance between it, because the designing part of it and actually creating something and trying to tell a story is really cool and fun and creative and whatever, but the legal manufacturing side of it is tedious and I do it all myself, so it is like factory work and uh, yeah, it gets a lot less fun when you actually set up a business for it.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, um, designing stuff and doing the marketing and the imagery and whatever story you want to tell is great. But yeah, when it gets around to actually put in a few thousand stickers on bottles and figuring out how you're going to ship alcohol overseas, it's another story.
Speaker 1:But there we go. So is there still? Is the store still active? If people want to buy leftover stock, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I have like an online store and I have it in my tattoo studio and I'll just be bringing it to conventions and stuff Cause it's cool because then I can actually be there in person and chat about it and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, what's your uh, what's your favorite? Actually, what do you think is the worst smell? What's the worst smell out there? Is it skunk?
Speaker 2:I kind of like skunk yeah, I kind of like those weird dirty kind of smells um, god knows I've got like it's funny, like there's a if I without getting too nerdy, when you're making perfume, like the chemistry of it is super interesting and there's chemicals that you can use that, like the human body is immediately designed to be repulsed by, like when you smell gone off milk, it's because of a specific molecule that will trigger you and be like, oh fuck, like that's dangerous, you know.
Speaker 2:So like there's chemicals and stuff I have in my lab that are the molecules that, like, your body produces when it rots and stuff like that and it's so interesting to see people's reactions to them because you can't help but be physically repulsed by it. Like your design, it's like an animal instinct and stuff like that's really cool. I find that really interesting. You wouldn't necessarily put it in perfume, but they're the worst smells because you're like your dna makeup is designed to physically run the opposite direction from it, so it's cool how it can have such like an impact I like that in music.
Speaker 1:Uh, there's a, there's a, there's a rumor. There's always been this mystery that there's this thing called the brown note, that there's this note that you can play that makes people shit their pants.
Speaker 2:Oh, we've seen the South pocket said so good Um all right, so let's jump to the internet here.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's, let's, let's hit the internet. We got some questions. We're going to come in hot.
Speaker 2:Hey, freddie hmm, that depends what you've got already. So I have like a leg that I just have tattooed with loads of shit. So people, I've had friends write on it, I've had exes write on it, I've had my parents write things on there. I have like doodles of dicks and it's just a scrapbook. So if you have a scrapbook leg that you really don't care about, then go for it, but otherwise I think you can come up with something better. That means something about your partner more than their name. Their name is the least interesting part about them. Nice.
Speaker 1:I like that In honor of season 15 of Ink Master host Joel Madden, can you, Freddie Albrighton, name three Good Charlotte songs?
Speaker 2:No, I couldn't name one. I'm so sorry. It's not my music. It's not my music. I honestly couldn't name one. I'm not being rude. I'm sure people love them.
Speaker 1:Awesome, awesome. Shout out, good Charlotte. Lenny Kravitz recently made headlines with the fact that he has been celibate for nine years. How long do you think you could go without doing the deed?
Speaker 2:laughing um.
Speaker 1:I would like to be cool and say, oh yeah, not long. I could probably go a couple of years I'd be good, nice.
Speaker 2:Maybe not nine years, but I could go a few years nice, nice, all right.
Speaker 1:Uh, you know we just kicked off pride month, uh, which is awesome. Who, to you, is the ultimate lgbtq plus icon?
Speaker 2:I can't. No, no, I cannot. I could not name. I could not name one. I could not name one. It's that's too broad of a category. There's a a lot of people well, what do you think about?
Speaker 1:what are some things that you love about the lgbtq community? Oh man well everything yeah, hell, yeah, yeah, um, I don't know it's a, it's a weird one.
Speaker 2:I can get, I will not get into politics, but, um, yeah, I don't know. I feel like the lgbtq community. Um, it's funny because, like I think, from an outside perspective, with like straight people, when they speak to gay people, for example, they think it's funny because, like I think, from an outside perspective, with like straight people, when they speak to gay people, for example, they think it's just your sexuality, that's all. It is Like what, what, why is it this big other thing? But without realizing that it, it impacts every single part of your life, like where I go on holiday, like how I can behave when I go to a certain street in a certain city, or what laws are against me for this. So I don't even know where I'm going with this, but I'm just saying, yeah, I can't really say what a favorite part of it is, because it is just like a whole lifestyle.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know where I'm going with that, but no, it's all good.
Speaker 1:It's all good, man. I just want to shine some light on it because it's just wild right now. How, uh, like you're saying and I can't even imagine it, but like how it like it's just like, city by city, block by block of, just like what people are cool with and what they're not cool with. As much as the world pushes forward, it also moves backwards and it's such a strange time to kind of like grasp, you know it is, it is very strange.
Speaker 2:yeah, I of like grasp, you know it is. It is very strange. I feel like I'm going to keep saying like without getting political and then getting political Next thing you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's like the 80s, early 90s, when there was this like when there was like the AIDS epidemic and there was all this like fear mongering around gay people and the enemy and stuff. And now it's happening with trans people and it's the exact same stuff, when really it doesn't affect anyone but those people. So it's like, yeah, it's a scary place and it's like I'd like to just say it's scary looking afar at the American politics, but we have stuff going on here as well. So it's a scary place and it's like I'd like to just say it's scary looking afar at the american politics, but we have stuff going on here as well. So it's everywhere, um. But yeah, I just feel like everyone's took a slightly big step backwards, which is a bit scary, but, um, yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1:It sucks, it sucks, man. Shout out to the lgbtq community. Um yeah, happy pride and a couple hypotheticals here. Okay, I'm not going to take too much more of your time but, if you get home hard day at the office and you crack open a drink, genie comes out. Okay, let's just say it's Cher. Cher comes out. Cher pops out and she said, hey. Hey, you know, freddie, I'm gonna give you one wish oh my god one wish anything, anything you want in the world.
Speaker 1:Okay that anything that you can think of I can make happen. What's your wish?
Speaker 2:oh, I'm so shit at being put on the spot. It brings me so much shame and embarrassment. What's your wish? Oh, I'm so shit at being put on the spot. It brings me so much shame and embarrassment. Oh fuck knows. I honestly like I feel like things work out. I wouldn't play with that kind of black magic.
Speaker 1:Oh you're putting Cher back in the bottle.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm putting Cher back in the bottle. Like everything's good right now, like I feel like everything I'm trying to do is working towards where I want to be. Slowly but surely my family are good. I don't know, I wouldn't say I have a wish right now. Nice, I like that. Yeah, I'd pass it to someone else, yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, that's good, that's good. So what about? Okay, let's see how you do with this one here. Share goes back in the bottle, share goes back in the bottle. You go back outside your flat, your, your gopher, taking a walk, and, uh, a phone booth comes down. It's a time machine. Anywhere in the world you want to go any time in history. Where are you going to go first, and why?
Speaker 2:dude, you're killing me. Um, I don't know if. Okay, really, this is going to be a boring answer. I don't know if you've seen. There's a movie that's recently came out called all of us strangers.
Speaker 2:It's a british film and it's uh, it's like a tragic film, but it's basically about this gay guy whose parents died when he was a kid and he basically, in this weird metaphorical dream sequence kind of way, can keep going back to his home and visiting his parents at the age that they are when he is now, if that makes sense and can just like hang out with them at the same age and like I think that would be cool Because I don't, the past is the past, I don't know anyone, but I would like to go back to meet people I know now like family, at the age that I'm at now, if they were at, and just hang out at that age level, if that makes sense that would be cool that would be the only thing I could think of. That would actually be cool and make sense to me.
Speaker 1:Nice, I like that Last question here, freddie, last question. I got faith in you. I know we can knock this out. What to you is the meaning of life? Oh, jesus Christ.
Speaker 2:I have no idea. I don't think there's a deep thing. I'm not religious, I'm also not particularly spiritual. I just think you just have fun while you're alive and that's about the best you can do.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, that's awesome. Nice one, freddie, awesome man. Well, we appreciate your time here on the Sailor Jerry podcast. Thank you so much.