Kellee and Abby revisit the concept of 'process over content' in therapy, and explore what is bringing them Joy over the last few years since beginning the podcast. They dive into what may be leading therapists into content therapy versus process therapy, and encourage therapists to lean into what makes them feel alive and joyful.
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Abby and Kellee are back after some big technological struggles. They welcome the community back in and explore the theme of, withholding. They explore withholding EMDR from clients and withholding the truth from clients. Are therapists withholding for a true clinical reason or out of fear? Abby and Kellee ask therapists to ask themselves, “Why might I not be leaning into something that is right here in the room where someone’s nervous system might really benefit from me leaning in?”
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Annie Monaco- https://www.anniemonaco.com
EMDR- https://www.emdria.org/
Cole Arthur Riley: https://colearthurriley.com/writing/project-one-64g3t
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Abby and Kellee get brave and venture into a topic that doesn’t seem openly talked about, feeling attraction to our clients. They share their own experience of this happening, normalize this experience, and explore the neuroscience that is happening when attraction happens.
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Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
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Abby and Kellee use this episode to talk through some recent experiences that required Bravery in their own lives and how we relate to Risk both personally and professionally. They explore noticing how 'being brave' and 'taking risks' show up in relationship in the therapy setting, and share some poetry with listeners.They ask listeners to get curious about their own relationship to Risk and how this influences their ways of being as a therapist and a human.
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Marshall Lyles: www.marshalllyles.com
Louise Erdrich: Advice to Myself
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Kellee and Abby are back from their holiday break! Join them for the Season 5 in another conversation, all about looooooove 💗. Their exploration is prompted by the question, “do we love our clients?” and, "must we?" Kellee and Abby muse about what it means to love, draw from some of Dr. Allan Schore's research, name the importance of therapist's doing their own parts work, and end with questions for listeners as they continue to do their own wondering.
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Dr. Allan Schore: https://www.allanschore.com/books/right-brain-psychotherapy/
Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com/
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
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Kellee is going on maternity leave! This episode explores the ways in which therapists who experience pregnancy can be impacted and transformed as practitioners and humans. Abby and Kellee explore their own personal experience with pregnancy in the field, how they navigate boundaries, and conversations around client care as it relates to self-disclosure in this tender time period. They normalize how nuanced this topic and experience can be and emphasize how necessary it is to 'be so human' with our clients.
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This episode explores all the ways in which we therapists don’t take the time off we need while encouraging our clients to take time off for self-care. Abby and Kellee explore their own personal struggles with taking time off, including the messages and narratives they tell themselves about when and how much time off they should take. They normalize how guilt can show up around this subject and emphasize how necessary and worthy we are of taking time for ourselves.
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Abby and Kellee use this episode to share some announcements and talk through some recent stories in their own lives that have contributed to deep feelings showing up personally and professionally. They explore noticing deep feelings that show up in relationship in the professional setting, and what pausing and reflecting can do to create regulation around such deep feelings. They ask listeners to get curious about their own deep feelings that show up with clients in sessions.
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Deb Dana: https://www.rhythmofregulation.com/about
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
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Abby and Kellee touch on how important non-verbal communication is to the healing process for our clients in the therapy space. They share how words are the least important part of the healing process, and ways that non-verbal communication is so vital to attachment trauma work. The acknowledge this topic being hard to explore while using a podcast that involves all talking, and leave listeners with a practice they can do with nature, a pet, or a listening partner.
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Somatic Empathy - https://www.somatictransformation.com/
Being a Brain-Wise Therapist Workbook - https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31474252947&ref_=ps_ggl_17721428148&cm_mmc=ggl-_-US_Shopp_Trade_20to50-_-product_id=COM9780393706390USED-_-keyword=&gclid=CjwKCAjw_aemBhBLEiwAT98FMixN99tX7PffYdCCpIgNyqcPMMVLeS5fNzsS_s58hydLkN1qjEjJoBoCrs8QAvD_BwE
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Paris Goodyear-Brown: https://www.parisgoodyearbrown.com
Marschak Interaction Method (MIM) https://theraplay.org/what-is-theraplay/
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Abby and Kellee lean into discussing recent feedback they got on this podcast, and the parallel process that occurs in the therapy space. They explore work from Dan Siegel around “linkage and differentiation.” The two also discuss attachment strategies we all can fall into based on our own attachment histories with giving and receiving feedback.
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Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Flora Feeling Mini Deck: https://www.etsy.com/listing/799453202/mini-deck-flora-healing-57-cards-self
Dan Siegel: https://www.drdansiegel.com
Marshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com
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Abby and Kellee spend time wandering through this episode exploring patience with parts of self for our clients, and for ourselves. They untangle the definition of patience, and what this really means in our work with clients. The two name the wandering that happens in this episode and explore what it feels like to be at the edge of their own work to help listeners begin to recognize when they too are at the edge of their work.
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Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
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Abby and Kellee spend time exploring how important the context of our client’s lives are. They discuss being attuned with that context versus pushing feelings away, offering coping skills and offering quick fixes. Being with is identified as the most important thing therapists can do first.
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Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
Marshall Lyles: https://www.marshalllyles.com
Dr. Iain McGilchrist: https://channelmcgilchrist.com/
IntraConnecte: https://drdansiegel.com/book/intraconnected-mwe-me-we-as-the-integration-of-self-identity-and-belonging/
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Abby and Kellee welcome listeners into community. They explore looking for a therapeutic home for therapists and clients alike. Abby and Kellee discuss balancing many therapeutic homes, finding “your people,” and journeying with them. They share the vulnerability that is present in seeking out community.
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Bonnie: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Lisa Dion: https://synergeticplaytherapy.com
On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/ada-limon-to-be-made-whole/
Circle of Security: https://www.circleofsecurityinternational.com
Fire of Love Documentary
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Abby and Kellee welcome listeners to season 4. The two share what they have been up to and begin to explore how therapists are in the presence of awe almost every day according to what Dacher Keltner defines as awe.
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On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/programs/dacher-keltner-the-thrilling-new-science-of-awe/
Robyn Gobbel- https://robyngobbel.com
The Heart of Winter: https://sannawani.com/2022/02/01/booklight-04/
The Last of Us: https://www.hbo.com/the-last-of-us
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Abby and Kellee bid listeners farewell as they end season 3. They reflect on the year, talking about love and loss for clients, supervisees, consultees, friends, family, and themselves. They of course weave in IPNB and even some EMDR around theirs and others experiences this season, and this year, touching on integration and meaning making.
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Ways of Being by James Bridle: https://jamesbridle.com/books/ways-of-being
Wintering by Katherine May: https://katherine-may.co.uk/wintering
Adrift by Mark Nep0: https://grateful.org/resource/adrift/
The Keep Going Song by The Bengsons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs-ju_L9pEQ
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Abby and Kellee broach the topic of using touch in the therapy space with both adult and child clients. They discuss the healing benefits of touch from various therapeutic modalities. Abby and Kellee talk through the sacredness of wordless healing. They explore their relationship with touch personally and within the field and how it’s evolved.
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Theraplay: https://theraplay.org
Natalia Rachel: IG- natalia_rachel_change
The Gift: Poems by Hafiz
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Abby and Kellee spend time exploring how we know when we as therapists are taking clients' progress, lack of progress, emotions, behaviors, etc. personally. They share their own stories of taking it personal, and strategies that can support the therapist to move out of this space and back into attunement with the client.
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Lisa Dion: https://lisa-dion.com
Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com
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Abby and Kellee continue to wonder and wander their way through the multi-seasonal book series. Come laugh together under full moon energy in Chapter 5 of “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They model humility, uncertainty, and the importance of humor as we engage this emergent field.
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The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\
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Abby and Kellee continue the multi-seasonal book series and offer continued discussion of Chapter Four: Surface Level and Deep Level Narratives, Part Two! in “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use a powerful question offered by Cozolino to guide their conversation, and share personal narratives parts of them hold, in addition to practical applications when working with clients.
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The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\
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Abby and Kellee continue the multi-seasonal book series and explore Chapter Four: Surface Level and Deep Level Narratives in “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use chapter four to explore the beauty in sitting with deeper client narratives and the need for family of origin work.
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The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Playful Listening Article:
https://emergencemagazine.org/practice/playful-listening/
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Come join us as we take a pause on our book series and explore the concept of Structure in the therapy space! Abby and Kellee use their own personal and professional experiences as they reflect on how Structure relates to Boundaries. They discuss the value to clients and clinicians in holding Structure, and leave some questions for listeners to reflect on in their own lives and practices.
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Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com
The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5
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Get ready to smile the whole way through! Abby and Kellee use humor and self-reflection as they explore concepts in chapter three like: self-awareness in the therapy space, process over content, tracking themes, and “listening with the third ear.” They discuss imposter syndrome coming up for them as they re-read the book with this community, and of course throw in a great garden analogy.
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Lisa Dion: https://lisa-dion.com
Robyn Gobbel: https://robyngobbel.com
The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5
Flora Feeling Mini Deck: https://www.etsy.com/listing/799453202/mini-deck-flora-healing-57-cards-self
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Abby and Kellee continue the summer book series and explore Chapter Two: Therapist Imagination in “The Development of a Therapist.” by Louis Cozolino. They use chapter two to explore "shuttling," the need for ongoing consultation, and laughter around engrained assumptions like wearing headphones to record. Kellee and Abby share the felt sense behind 'trusting the process.'
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The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
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Abby and Kellee begin to explore chapter one of their summer book series using, “The Development of a Therapist.” They use chapter one to explore how therapists’ and clients’ left and right brain show up in the therapy space. Kellee and Abby share what it means and feels like to use and blend poetry and science for healing purposes.
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On Being with Krista Tippett: https://onbeing.org/series/podcast/
The Development of a Therapist: Healing Others- Healing Self: https://www.amazon.com/Development-Therapist-Healing-Others-Self/dp/0393713954/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=louis+cozolino&qid=1655085804&s=books&sprefix=Louis+co%2Cstripbooks%2C192&sr=1-5\
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
David Whyte: https://davidwhyte.com
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Share the love! Abby and Kellee explore the benefits for both therapists and clients sharing and receiving resources with each other. They talk through ways to share books with clients and highlight the need to walk alongside clients while they read a book the therapist has recommended. Abby and Kellee discuss the importance of pairing right brain processing when recommending a book to a client.
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Anchored: How to Befriend Your Nervous System Using Polyvagal Theory: https://www.amazon.com/Anchored-Befriend-Nervous-System-Polyvagal/dp/1683647068
It Didn’t Start with You: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=it+didn%27t+start+with+you&i=stripbooks&sprefix=this+didn%27t+%2Cstripbooks%2C149&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_12
Bonnie Badenoch: https://www.nurturingtheheart.com
Dr Dan Seigel: https://drdansiegel.com
Hafez: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/hafez
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Moving Away from 'Topic of The Week' Therapy
15:25
Withholding: Are You Colluding with Avoidance?
21:47
Exploring Attraction to Our Clients
20:35
Bravery and Risk: How We Show Up in the Therapy Room
20:13
Do We Love Our Clients: A Conversation Between Therapists
18:48
Exploration of Pregnancy and Being a Therapist
19:04
Time to Take Your Time Off
14:33
The Deeply Feeling Therapist
23:06
Let's Talk - Nonverbal Communication
31:22
Feedback: The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly
27:32
At the Edge of Our Own Work
24:12
Attuning to the Context
24:23
Finding Your Therapeutic Home. Finding Who You'll Journey With.
17:18
Welcome to Season 4: Exploring Wonder and Awe
24:45
Bidding Season 3 Farewell
32:39
Touch in the Therapy Room
25:24
Taking it Personal in the Therapy Space
25:10
Book Series: The Development of a Therapist: Chapter 5: Holding Uncertainty
19:54
Book Series: The Development of a Therapist. Chapter 4, Part 2
22:37
Book Series: The Development of a Therapist. Chapter 4, Part 1
21:19
Are Therapists the Boss? Exploring Structure in the Therapy Room
18:33
Accessing the Unconscious (Exploring chapter 3 of the summer book series)
22:23
Summer Book Series: The Development of a Therapist. Chapter 2
25:09
Summer Book Series: The Development of a Therapist. Chapter 1
22:37
Sharing Resources: Therapists aren't Gatekeepers
17:02