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Nobody’s Talking Podcast
From High School Hoops to Lifelong Friendships in Akron Featuring Jed Ray Dunn
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Ever found yourself reminiscing about the basketball courts of your youth, or the hometown heroes that walked the halls of your high school? We sure did, as we took a trip back to Akron's streets, where legends and lifelong friends were made. Join our laughter-filled journey through the 330, where we share not only the lighter side of clinging to our high school physiques but also the serious evolution of basketball skills and the life lessons that come with every bounce of the ball.
This episode isn't just a love letter to our roots; it's a heartfelt discussion about the essence of coaching, the debate over the greatest of all time in basketball, and the undeniable impact of sports on community and character. From the wisdom of a veteran on respect and the National Anthem to the candid tales of parental involvement in youth sports, we unpack it all. As we reminisce about street basketball's raw energy and our plans to conquer the pickleball courts, it's clear that whether you're talking about Michael Jordan or LeBron James, Akron has a way of shaping stories worth telling.
We cap off our conversation with a tribute to the ties that bind – the friendships that have stood the test of time and the shared experiences that keep us coming back for more. From the heartfelt to the humorous, we cover the gamut, including the occasional run-in with the Akron police and the power of a well-timed joke. Whether it's debating the best tea remedy for those early mornings or planning our next reunion, this episode is a reminder of why community and sports go hand in hand. So, sit back and let the sounds of old friends and the spirit of the game carry you back to where it all began.
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Remembering Akron and Childhood Stories
Speaker 1Yeah , hey , we got somebody from Akron . Hold up , everybody can hear you can hear you . Good 330 . Yeah , akron's in the house .
Speaker 3You good , all right 3-3-0 .
Speaker 1Yeah , Akron's in the house . It's about to be fun right here . That's the area code 3-3-0 . Oh , you know the area code . You know we reps . I didn't know that I'm not from Akron . All good things come from Akron Ohio . All good things . All good things come from Akron Ohio . All good things Me . Chris LeBron , Jerome Lane , Howard Hewitt , James Ingram I'm going to save him for last . Okay , Jeff Brantley , Football and basketball Snake . Who else we got ? Kareem Galvin , Thomas Lewis .
Speaker 2Jeff Grubbs .
Speaker 3Joel Slater .
Speaker 2What was Willie's last name ? Willie ?
Speaker 1Fulton LeSean .
Speaker 4Lewis , leroy Lewis . I got some pretty women coming out of that .
Speaker 1Leon Jones , eric Bryant , shout out to EB that long shot he hit , we ain't gonna talk about that . And we got him . It took . Db that long shot he hit , we ain't going to talk about that , right , and we got him , it took . I'm going to act like it was hard to get him because we've been chasing him around for like the last four or five weeks .
Speaker 2I wouldn't let you pay him to get up here .
Speaker 1Hey , don't worry about our NIL deal , Yours truly duh . I was about to say 2014 .
Speaker 4We got to do the introduction , you come around .
Speaker 1Wait , hold on . So you want us to introduce ourselves ? All right , what we do . Okay , this is Bosco Pearson , that's right , I'm from Akron .
Speaker 4Tall , dark and handsome .
Speaker 1Love it Like the Serp . Hey , 6'3" , 185 , at 51 years old I still got my college body . Now y'all tell me y'all still do .
Speaker 2Hey , I don't have my college body .
Speaker 4Damn it . I got my high school body , baby . That's right , I still got it .
Speaker 1Anyway , send to my left .
Speaker 2You know who it is . It ain't Silky , no more , it's Shiraz .
Speaker 1You ain't Silky .
Speaker 2I'm not Silky anymore .
Speaker 4You're ashamed of yourself man .
Speaker 1He said you had a radio voice .
Speaker 4I haven't been Silky for a minute . Why are you ashamed of him ? I'm going to call him .
Speaker 1Malcolm , malcolm , he got his Malcolm glasses on . You look like Malcolm .
Speaker 4Shira , why you shining ?
Speaker 2You want to call me Silky Joe .
Speaker 4I ain't going to call you Silky . That's just too gay . Ain't nothing wrong with being gay ? I guess ? No , it ain't nothing , but I'm not from .
Speaker 2Akron , where you from . I'm a military brat , but I claim Texas . Why ?
Speaker 1You don't claim Washington State , fuck you . But I claim Texas , yeah , yeah . Why you don't claim Washington ?
Speaker 2State what the fuck you claim Texas for ? Why not ? Why ? What's wrong with Texas ? Everything , oh my God .
Speaker 4Anyways to my left . That's right . This is one of them , alabama Joe who hates Texas , why you claim Bama . I'm born and raised in Alabama War Eagle Uh-oh , I knew that was going to set him off . That's some bullshit right there . We sitting here like we like each other , you're going to do some shit like that . What does War Eagle even mean ? I don't even say shit like that .
Speaker 3You know that . You know , I don't even say the school name , bro Auburn .
Speaker 4Yeah . That's the other school , charles Barkley I don't give a fuck who came from there .
Speaker 2Cam Newton .
Speaker 4I don't . They all cheaters . Oh yeah , even Charles is a PC , but hey , I don't say the name , bro . Okay , I don't care what you do , you can't trick me , goat me . It will never , ever cross my fucking lips . What's ?
Speaker 2the other school in Alabama , the other school .
Speaker 1Okay , Alabama State . That's right and to my left , uab .
Speaker 4We done with this shit , because he going to piss me off , hey . And to my left , the one and only Mason Parks on .
Speaker 2Mason .
Speaker 1Parks , central Howard's finest Central Howard Eagles ? You don't know about that . I don't know about Central Howard's finest Central Howard Eagles . You don't know about that . You don't know about Central Howard Eagles .
Speaker 4I'm learning about it right now .
Speaker 1A product of Mike Muneer . Google it . Mike Muneer was there . He was there the whole time . You was there , right ? Oh , and , like I said , the 2024 , it's 2024 , right . State champion , high school head coach for what's y'all's mascot ? Deer valley sky hawks . And I drive by there all the time , man , I knew I was gonna say deer valley hawks . Anyway , boy , we've been boys from the ground up since like 10 , 11 . All the time , man , I knew I was going to say Deer Valley Hawks . Anyway , boy , we've been boys from the ground up since like 10 , 11 years old . You see the picture right there . I seen it . Hell , yeah , I heard all the stories . Hey , that's 1985 . I think we was champs . Well , I don't think I know . We was city champs . Jed , was you the quarterback ? I was . Hey , we played against North . They beat us in the regular season . We beat them in the championship .
Speaker 2Anyway say hello , god dang , hold on , I'm nervous . He got a hell of an entrance . Ray man , where's he at ? Done , give him his round of applause .
Speaker 1Hold on you like that damn . I got chills over here . That's what you get when you from Akron . You know about Mason Park .
Speaker 3I'm from Akron you should get , you should get .
Speaker 1Y'all know when we at LA Fitness and we be killing y'all and y'all wondering like damn where they learn that from . Mason Park , mason Park , ah .
Speaker 3Mason Park .
Speaker 1Dog after school hey , everybody meet up at Mason Park and play ball .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , till the streetlights come on yeah .
Speaker 3Yeah , that's where I learned how to play .
Speaker 1What's up , boys ?
Speaker 3What's up boys , what's up man ? Thanks for having me .
Speaker 1Hey dog , jay Superstar , Good to have you . Hell yeah , he is Still holding up . We got royalty . Yeah , I told y'all Royalty LeBron James , jed Ray Dunn , chris .
Speaker 4Let's go .
Speaker 1I told you , dog , I said Jerome Lane , I ain't going to say Jeffrey Dahmer , nope , chris .
Speaker 3He went to high school with my wife and her sisters . You got a .
Speaker 2Jeffrey Dahmer story .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 1Oh , I told him mine when I worked for Airborne Express .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 1It was a package that was like left behind . And they was like , oh , now , obviously he was already dead and all that . But I had no idea . I go every day , you know , delivering a package or whatever . Then it was like , oh , that's the old . And then they said it's the old Dahmer house . As soon as they said that , every time I went there from that point forward I think a doctor had lived there at the time I just started shaking and started trying to throw the package at the door .
Speaker 1I mean , the dude don't even live there , he dead . But still , it's just hey and it's a very nice area .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 4Very nice area . You know the paperboy went there . Yeah , Very nice area . You know the paper boy was nervous .
Speaker 1Dog man listen . So you said your wife , they went to yeah they all went to Revere High School .
Speaker 3I used to drive by his house every day , not knowing , and then one day all the CNN trucks were there . You couldn't get by and it was on the news .
Speaker 1Nuts yeah .
Speaker 3It's nuts ain't it Crazy .
Speaker 1Dog , I told y'all .
Speaker 4That's some crazy shit there , bro Jeffrey Dahmer .
Speaker 1Jeffrey Dahmer , but anyway .
Speaker 4Anyway , right .
Speaker 1I know Joe got a couple conspiracies .
Speaker 4Jeffrey Dahmer wouldn't even have to go to Fry's . He's probably cheaper than Fry's Motherfucker , higher than a motherfucker at Fry's .
Speaker 1Why are they so high , Joe ?
Speaker 4Man , I got some goddamn hot links .
Speaker 1Uh-huh .
Speaker 4Some ground beef , some toilet paper , nigga , that's $150 . God .
Speaker 2You got more than that .
Speaker 4Bullshit . I'm telling you the truth .
Speaker 2Man , that shit is crazy . I want to see the receipt .
Speaker 4No , it's in my car . Okay , he said it seat . It's in my car , I ain't bullshitting , but I'll show it to you .
Speaker 1That's some bullshit .
Speaker 4You don't grocery shop . You probably got somebody to do it for you .
Speaker 1You grocery shop .
Speaker 4Yeah , tell this man how high shit is .
Speaker 2No shit's high . I grocery shop that shit's expensive .
Speaker 4You got the flip app what ?
Speaker 3is that .
Speaker 4You get discounts . No , I no . It just tell you what's on sale . Get the flip app . Get the flip app I got you . When that motherfucker rip out and come on sale , he'll send you a message .
Speaker 3It'll send you a message . You can click on the stuff that you want them to send you .
Speaker 4No , it'll just send you a message . Hey , man get the flip app , bro , okay damn Pay us .
Speaker 1You tripping on that . Hey , I know , huh , tell him Hold on , got it , hold on .
Speaker 4Man , they sent me a message the other day . It said goddamn ribs $5 and shit a slab at Albertson yeah .
Speaker 1You ran right over there .
Speaker 4Man , you know , I got two freezers .
Speaker 1You ready ? You ready to talk basketball ? Let's do it . We're going to talk a little
Evolution of Basketball Skills Today
Speaker 1bit .
Speaker 4You know , I ain't really been a great basketball player .
Speaker 1No , but still Don't you see nothing ?
Speaker 4No , he said , don't you say nothing , I'd play with your hacking ass . I know , look at that .
Speaker 2Hack you dribbling ball ? No .
Speaker 4He would , though Everyone would be dribbling a ball to hit you , jed , just know how to use his body . Man Jed he play smart Now here's one thing I will tell you , and then , blame you for it .
Speaker 1Here's the one thing I will tell you .
Speaker 4Jed hit me in the throat and called a fight .
Speaker 1How , jed and I've known this Well . Y'all didn't know , no , but but I've known this , like even growing up , because he grew up around the folks around the coach . He grew up around a whole bunch of black people . Yeah , so you know , when you go somewhere and there's a white dude and they be like oh man , you know they think , yeah , you're going to see a little white cat . Like oh he about to be terrible , right , man , jed , get out there . Okay , y'all got some white man can't jump . I disagree , though .
Speaker 4no , don't listen white man can't jump listen .
Speaker 2Okay , there was a bunch of us playing right and there was a white dude .
Speaker 1Okay , okay now let's go right now , that cuz you from Texas , we can go somewhere where don't anybody know us , right , okay ? And then we be like okay , and let's just say Jed is gonna to sit there Now , probably the best basketball player out of all of us . But then they're going to sit there and be like , oh , okay , as soon as he get in there and he start lighting their ass up a little bit , then it'll be like okay , wait , hold on , who got the little white dude ? And he done , lit him up .
Speaker 1Yeah , now see , for some damn reason , I always end up having to guard the hardest cat . Or somebody thinks like I'm like hey , what you think you're going to get from me , I'm going to give you something , but I ain't going to give you what he's going to give you . But they guarding me , though , all crazy . I'm like hold on , I ain't Dwayne Wade , just let me shoot . They're going to let him shoot . He's going to light their ass up . Then , after about a couple points , we was like , oh , we got to get him now . But you know exactly what I'm saying .
Speaker 4Oh , yeah , I'm telling you . See , the thing about this cat right here , man , he used to foul me because , no , I wouldn't , though he knew I wouldn't tell you . You knew I wouldn't call him and file . No , I wouldn't call or file for nothing , nope . But then he filed me . Good , right , and I go .
Speaker 1You know , I'm going to get you back . Listen Now . Look , here's the question .
Speaker 4I'm going to get you back .
Speaker 1You know , we talk about basketball and stuff sometimes now , since we have a real basketball coach . What's the difference from when we were kids to like today's kids ? Because I told all right , this is what I said . I think the skill level of the kids now today are better . I also think , how you know , I'd play a three , four . So when I would get the rebound , it's like give it to the point guard . You know I'm real athletic and go up and down the court , but you had to give the ball to the point guard . Nowadays you got the tall kids and all that dribbling . So now do you agree ? Or why is the skill level of the kids today better than with us ?
Speaker 3I think it's easy . There's a lot of trainers . There's more resources for these kids , more access to guys that can train them . We didn't have trainers Like . Mason Park was our trainer .
Speaker 2Yep , see , you just went to the park . I taught myself how to hoop .
Speaker 3And my brothers . I'm the youngest of nine and I got my butt kicked all the time by my brothers and that made me .
Speaker 1And you was probably like I can't handle this . I see the pain , man . Oh yeah , because Joe .
Speaker 4I'm number 11 .
Speaker 3Man see , and so you possess the most important thing .
Speaker 4I'm number 11 . You're number nine . You got to be tough , right , right , you got to be tough I .
Speaker 3That's the key . There's so many trainers .
Speaker 4Hey , listen , let's be honest . When was the first time you had a drumstick ?
Speaker 1Because , it took me about 15 , 16 years to get a drumstick , drumstick Piece of chicken . A job to a job , the stories come out of nowhere . I'm just saying , though , it was so many of us bro .
Speaker 3You talking about a drumstick ? Piece of chicken , oh , piece of chicken . I probably was at Roger Redding's house , man , my first black friend .
Speaker 2You're good , we were seven years old .
Speaker 4I hope that being real , though , Listen .
Speaker 3I got a story about Roger . Roger played for the Dragons . Okay he was a little bit younger than us . I was over at the house and I opened open a refrigerator around here . You got to ask .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , you know you can't do that . I learned a lot of cultural stuff with that stuff .
Speaker 4You don't open that . Yeah , no , you got to teach .
Speaker 3She was like no , there's a set time , that's electricity , yeah Right .
Speaker 2Opening that up .
Speaker 3Yeah , right .
Speaker 4But that's probably back I would get home a little later and everybody didn't eat , and they ate all the good shit . So all you guys was like the chicken neck , the gizzard . Nah , they didn't do the gizzard , but the chicken neck and the back .
Speaker 4People don't know nothing about that , but the chicken back and that's just a little strip of meat on the side . I'm serious , though . It was a long time before I got like they went and bought some Kentucky Fried Chicken one year and that's the time I got a drumstick . I'm not making this shit up , dude . I'm serious , I'm not making this up .
Speaker 2But you're talking from , because you had a large family .
Speaker 4He had a large family , so he should know what we're talking about . But I mean .
Speaker 1You know what I mean .
Speaker 4Like making them down . Egg salad sandwiches .
Speaker 3We used to hide the cereal boxes and stuff . We had to hide the cereal boxes and things like that .
Speaker 4You know we used to try to do . We would take something and put it underneath the bag .
Speaker 3So when they ?
Speaker 4think it empty , so so you pull the bag up .
Speaker 3Pull it out the box , you get some more . I love it yes . I love it .
Speaker 1Alright , now we're going back to basketball .
Speaker 4Okay , well , I'm just saying yeah , hey me and Jay gonna talk all day . No , I mean , we gonna talk .
Speaker 1But I was just Listen , cause you know I'm always here Talking about the skill level Of the kids Right and . Like for us , like the skill level now is better , so because so I don't think it's better .
Speaker 2I think the kids are it's better .
Speaker 1Well , okay , so so you tell me it's a different game .
Speaker 2No , their skill level is better skill level is better , but it's a different game than how we were taught sure right , so it's one thing we were talking about is like do they triple threat ? The zero , triple threat , all these extra steps okay , old school coaches will the extra steps they get , like we didn't right , we didn't learn , like the zero step , all that type of stuff .
Speaker 3I'm teaching float dribbles in my training .
Speaker 1Exactly what is the float just ?
Speaker 3bring it side to side and you do other things with the ball we never would do that so they would call us for
Speaker 1carry . Yeah , yeah , exactly , you know what I mean my coaches would have yelled at me . So now , okay , okay , here's another thing , that gather step thing .
Speaker 4Yeah , wait .
Speaker 3Yeah , play off of two feet .
Speaker 4I got to get all this out .
Speaker 1Now remember some of the shots that you would just take like threes way back .
Speaker 3Men now are acceptable , Like some of the stuff Kaitlin Clark or Steph Curry shoot .
Speaker 1I'm just saying you never saw that back when we were playing and remember they tell you don't pass the ball across the court as it was skip pass . Or even you know when Bron go from corner to corner . No across the court pass . You didn't do that oh coaches will be like Now you got to teach him , you'll be , sitting on the bench .
Speaker 3The game has evolved so much , right .
Speaker 1So you're cool with .
Speaker 3I'm good with my post players bringing the ball up the floor if they're able to . I want them to start to break . I want them to take one to two dribbles .
Speaker 2Okay .
Speaker 3And they all need to be able to shoot threes , because our bigs are 6'6" .
Speaker 4They're not going to be a post in college .
Speaker 3They need to . We train all that , but that's what I'm saying Back then you was 6'6" .
Speaker 4You was a guard , I mean you was a center Period .
Speaker 3You were stuck in the post , yeah .
Speaker 4You were stuck in the post .
Speaker 1You only taught your post moves Right . You better not even put the ball on the ground , you better just .
Speaker 2Actually , you better not even bring it down , you got to keep it up . Yeah , see , a better skill . I think the skills that they're learning are different . That's why I say better skill .
Speaker 1When did ?
Speaker 2it say better skills .
Speaker 1That's better skills .
Speaker 2How are they going to be different ?
Speaker 4You're going to make me a hater again because you're going to say something messed up .
Speaker 2He was talking about the float dribble . Had we learned that we would be able to do it .
Speaker 1I'll sit right here and try to do it now . We see this kid that we would be able to do it . I'll sit right here and try to do it now . Now we see it . I might as well use it on Sunday . We see these kids now that are .
Speaker 2You know we play with the old group but you go play with the young group , it's . It looks like a travel or a carry to us .
Speaker 3That's why I say better skill , because our skill level I agree , I see what you're both saying with the different , like old school dudes , like Stockton and them would be like I'm just as skilled and I'm more efficient . Right , right , right , right , right , or at least equally efficient as them Right . But we're doing it differently , differently , right yeah ?
Speaker 1Now I know one thing they dribble too , goddamn , or like I know what I do .
Speaker 2I'm just like a slap . It's about a setup . Now you sitting up here .
Speaker 4As soon as you see them pulling out the phone one of their friends on the side I'm like man go ahead , go to the hole , dog , you ain't trying to put me on YouTube Trying to get you to fall or something You're going to get an elbow .
Speaker 1But no , that's what I mean . I know what I mean . You know the better skill .
Speaker 4That's why I don't play basketball .
Speaker 1Man Joe , you got to come back out there , I'll give you a motherfucking elbow .
Speaker 3He's going to shoot from half court . Terrible shot . I got a question . Make it and Joe would be like I don't have to run as much . To get back on defense now I'll tell you something quick .
Speaker 4You too deep he was shooting so deep man .
Speaker 1Hey , now here's another one the state championship . Yeah , were you more nervous than a regular season game , or was it the same ?
Speaker 3There's a couple things that happened during warm-ups that just put my mind at ease , right . First of all , the whole community was okay and I'm just scanning and listening .
Speaker 3They were one of the things . They started playing some old school music , like we're in a big arena this was the fourth time we've been there , so and this was the one one time I felt like we were the favorite . So that might bring a little bit more pressure , but but I'm listening to the music and they started playing bc boys and ll cool man . I'm like I started dancing on the sideline and my players kind of saw me and it might maybe you know , relaxed them a little bit .
Speaker 3And I saw my niece who surprised me coming in so I got a little teary-eyed , yeah , and my mom was here and my brother , eric , and his son , my nephew , were there , so I was calm , right , and this year I've never coached more calm in my life , like the whole season . I was under control , like I brought in a sports psychologist cause . I get angry , I get fired .
Speaker 1Right , right Right .
Speaker 3And it jacked like last year state championship that we lost was my fault , like during one of the timeouts .
Speaker 1I got a question Fourth quarter . I got a question about that .
Speaker 3Yeah , I was there last year , okay , yeah .
Coaching and Life Lessons
Speaker 1Do you think because I say this sometimes I think sometimes coaches get in the way For sure Instead of just like is it because you don't trust the kid For sure ? Because , well , for one , like I know this , I know you very well you played point guard growing up , so you was always used to being in control . Yeah , so now you're a coach , you really can't control it .
Speaker 3So now you're a coach you really can't same control it , but you just like , yeah , and I wish I would have done this year's coaching job like last year , years ago , yeah , and we've always been good , but there but hey , you live and learn moments in the game where you rip into them and you might cuss at them and you see their whole shoulders drop and then they go out and get .
Speaker 1They get a 6-0 run on them yeah that that's what happened last year yeah right , I didn't do that once this year yeah , I trusted you know , like with us , yeah , like you .
Speaker 3I mean you could cuss at us and be like , oh , you stink or so , and so then you're like , oh shit , I'm about to show him different kid this day yeah yeah , but it's not beneficial I mean I get on them , don't get me wrong but , I , don't need to cuss at them for sure , and even when we're struggling , they took the lead on us . I was super calm in the huddle , like we're fine , we're going to be fine . We won the state championship and shot 13% from 3 .
Speaker 1You shot 13% and had 20 turnovers and won the game the game I saw I was when y'all played Prescott , yeah , at Deer Valley . Oh my God , that dude's crazy . They said he a junior .
Speaker 3Yeah , he'll be a senior next year .
Speaker 1Oh , my goodness .
Speaker 3Five , six We'll go up and dunk on your head .
Speaker 4Five six .
Speaker 3Yeah , left hand .
Speaker 2Pres Prescott Yep .
Speaker 4Joe .
Speaker 1Yep , this kid is nice .
Speaker 3Yeah , he can play . He's nice man . He's a quarterback too Super athletic , so fast .
Speaker 1Dude , you can just tell . Yeah , you can tell Because y'all have some athletic kids , but then you just like you could tell that kid was just different from like his teammates .
Speaker 3I know you can tell Yep , he's back and they got a 6'10 kid back . They're going to be good next year .
Speaker 2I'll win Prescott huh . Yep , I'm impressed .
Speaker 1You think y'all going to see him again ? Yeah for sure . Yeah , we'll be good again .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , we'll be good again .
Speaker 1Yeah , so that's all right , right , there you got any incoming freshmen ?
Speaker 3Yeah , we got , we're going to be good said next five . Next five years . That's the crazy thing too , like wherever we lived back in the day . That's the high school I knew I was going to Central . I knew I was going to Central when I was like seven years old , watching games .
Speaker 4Right right , right right .
Speaker 3Here . It's like if you don't get out and start talking to your own kids , like the kids that feed into your school , they're going to get recruited . And they end up somewhere else , somewhere else .
Speaker 1So some kid could end up like at Centennial .
Speaker 3You can go wherever you want as an incoming freshman or bring your way Incoming freshman open enrollment .
Speaker 4See , I couldn't figure that out because I know my kid ran track right , yeah , and all these track meets . I didn't see no high school coaches there , right On the USA , whatever it is , I can't remember .
Speaker 3Yeah , I don't know . It's probably different in track . I can't remember .
Speaker 4But anyway , usa track and field . My bad , but I didn't really see any high school coaches there . You know what I mean . Yeah , and then when they get to high school , the coach don't really know who they are .
Speaker 3Don't know them right .
Speaker 4You know you don't know . It's just like your boy , Jason Williams , tell the story about Ant . You know he didn't know who Ant was .
Speaker 3He had him on the bench .
Speaker 2He's like well , get in Well get in See track's more of an individual sport , though you know .
Speaker 4I know .
Speaker 3That's changing though too , though no that's not no .
Speaker 4No , if you got to think about it is like , in my opinion is like a lot of the coaches out here they plug and play coaches .
Speaker 4So you know , and I think they should be more developmental people and like I used to do that Pop Warner thing , man and I used to be so mad because , like they didn't want to just put a person in the spot and say , hey man , you know what this kid got potential , whatever . Oh , let's send him over here . I don't want to deal with him or whatever , you know what I mean . So but just say , you take him , and when he started getting progress and he started doing his thing , oh now you want to get involved ?
Speaker 4oh yeah , we need to move him over here now , you want to , now you want to take him , and a lot , of , a lot of the coaches and feeders are like that , like the feeder teams and the feeder schools .
Speaker 2That's what gets me Like you were saying . You know , when we grew up , there was no feeder .
Speaker 4It was just you went to that school . No , when we grew up , the coaches knew they had to develop .
Speaker 3They had to in order to have a team .
Speaker 4You see a guy with potential , you're like , oh yeah , and then you're going to be this for me and you take him and you mold him and to whatever you want him to be , that's a good thing , and then that could also be a bad thing , because he might have potential to be something else . Sure , but either way , you know . And another thing they did , they taught a lot of life lessons growing up then . Back then . A lot of people don't really do that now . Now , are you sure ?
Speaker 2yeah because I said , a lot of people don't really do that now , are you sure ?
Speaker 3I said a lot of people don't do that .
Speaker 4Okay , I didn't say , oh , you don't do that .
Speaker 1No .
Speaker 3I didn't say that .
Speaker 4Life lessons and shit is . And I'm telling you right now I didn't have kids that were six or seven years old in high school that come up and say , hey , coach , you told me some shit . That was true . That's the way it is . It is what it is .
Speaker 3And that's a good feeling when that shit happens ?
Speaker 4Yeah , for sure , you know , because when your kids graduate and they go on and then they come back to you and say , hey , coach , I appreciate everything you did for me . No , we've seen it firsthand . That's the best thing ever .
Speaker 2Jed has a great relationship with his kids . I've never seen a kid .
Speaker 3We played basketball .
Speaker 1That's what I said . You know , I know what you mean . You have some good kids , that's a beautiful feeling right there yeah . I see them around the gym . Yeah , when the kids come back , they're real good kids , you know .
Speaker 3We talk about that . We call them separators , like what's going to separate you from the other kid that's being recruited to a college . They're separators Like helping kids up off the ground Talking to adults that's a rule of ours . Like I expect my kids to say hello to adults before adults say hello to them , right ? And you remember little things like that we talk about girls how you should be treating girls . You're going to have a daughter someday possibly .
Speaker 3You ain't going to want no kid talking to her the way you possibly are talking to your girl .
Speaker 1Absolutely , that's absolutely true .
Speaker 4What you going to do when your daughter meets you .
Speaker 3Right , exactly .
Speaker 4Think about that one .
Speaker 3We got six girls between the two of us .
Speaker 4You can use that if you want to . I will for sure you can use that if you want to . I'll just tell you like it is . That's what got me .
Speaker 2What you going to do . You got girls .
Speaker 1I said what you going to do when your daughter meets you . What you going to do ? My boys are respectful .
Speaker 2Yeah , for sure .
Speaker 4And then you get to think about all your past and all this crap you did yeah for sure . And then you get to think about all your past and all this crap you done , did , and you're like , oh crap , what the hell am I going to do ? Right , and you know what I did . I know what I did . I went and got my shotgun and sat on the couch , Got ready for prom . Yeah , you know what ?
Speaker 1Hey it is what it is Because all your girls are out of high school now right yeah are out of high school now right , Okay , but you know that's a beautiful thing right there when you tell them to be respectful . No , it is . It is man , because you never know what's going to happen , because we weren't even raised like that .
Speaker 4No , we was just you , just you know . I mean , I was raised like you just had to be respectful .
Speaker 1You had to be yeah , just to whoever it didn't matter and , being from the South , yeah , yeah . We were in the Midwest and we still had . It's a respect thing too right .
Speaker 2It's a respect thing .
Speaker 4It's a whole different thing , you respect your elders . It wasn't even respect , you just had boundaries , so it was funny .
Speaker 2You say that you go to some of these high school football games , basketball games , and you're sitting up in the stands and as adults you're sitting there and you see these kids they're cussing and all this . I'm like I would never have done that sitting up in the stands .
Speaker 1I can't do it now and I am an adult , but I just feel weird like no awareness , none .
Speaker 4None , I'm going to tell you this right now . And when I left high school , I got out of high school . What ?
Speaker 1is that .
Speaker 4I joined the Marine Corps when I was 17 years old . Is that me ? No , that ain't me . I got out of . Marine Corps , yeah , and it was like that's Joe's phone .
Speaker 1Is that your phone ? That's not my phone . Oh , that's your .
Speaker 4I don't know what that is . That was one of the Hardest fucking things and people don't understand .
Youth Sports and Parental Involvement
Speaker 4I went to a ball game , right , high school game , that was my watch and , and you know , I'm Kind of like Freshly out of that military Right .
Speaker 1Uh huh .
Speaker 4And they played the national anthem Right . And they played the National Anthem right and the ring . So I'm standing at attention and this little motherfucker sitting next to me eating chips and shit yeah , sitting down .
Speaker 3And on the phone and listen .
Speaker 4I swear to God , I want to hit the little girl in the throat .
Speaker 2I really did .
Speaker 4I'm sitting there like man , I can't believe this shit .
Speaker 2You guys are sitting here .
Speaker 4The National Anthem playing . Then you got kids throwing footballs that are sitting here in the National Anthem playing . Then you got kids throwing footballs . That's right , fast forward five , six years later , whatever . Then you got the Colin Kaepernick thing jump off . Right , I'm sitting there like so you guys are complaining about that shit , but these little motherfuckers eating chips , throwing footballs and shit the way I felt was like that was the most degrading thing that I ever saw in my life again .
Speaker 2It's like jed was saying I'm just saying that .
Speaker 4That was you know for me , yeah , no , I mean it took me about six years to deprogram . I'm not kidding , you know like to do . You literally do program . Yeah , because I was . I was believing , believe it or not , I was gung-ho man . I was hardcore like a motherfucker . When I got out , I was gung-ho , bro . You good now . Every one of y'all was discussing civilians . To me , bro , I couldn't stand . A civilian Saved my life . I could not stand it . You smiled and pissed me off . No way , but you good now .
Speaker 1I but you good now .
Speaker 4I'm good now . All right , no , I'm serious , I am good now . I don't need to convince you , but I'm just saying I'm good now . It ain't the alcohol either . I'm good . You done no no , no , this is my second one , I love it and someone called Joe Uber . No , I'm just saying , though , it was great , I mean , you know , but I always had respect For other people Because we were raised , yeah , yeah , and it was a lot of us . I mean , my mom had 13 kids and shit , I'm number 11 and , uh , I'm two of two .
Speaker 4We was like Whew , you know you're on the count as one on taxes . Oh , were you a twin .
Speaker 1Yeah , like you know , you only count as one on taxes .
Speaker 2Oh , what were you a twin . Yeah , oh , no , you count as two . No , you don't Two Okay you have the twins and try to count them then . On taxes , bro , you only count as one . They got two different social security numbers .
Speaker 4You only count as one bro , Is that true ?
Speaker 1All right now , who got a basketball question ?
Speaker 2I got a basketball question .
Speaker 1Because I got something else too about now go ahead .
Speaker 2So , when you talk to your kids , when you recruit these kids , what is the main thing you're looking for ?
Speaker 4as a coach .
Speaker 3Right , High character Character yeah , yeah , that's the most important thing . Skill yeah , I mean obviously if they're good .
Speaker 2Coach Cal yeah , that's the most important thing Skill , yeah , I mean obviously , if they're good , coach Cal . Yeah , that's a positive thing , coach Calipari .
Speaker 3I mean we obviously want kids that can hoop , you know , but right away they got to do it our way , like that's super important .
Speaker 1So I mean , you said what if it's like me , me me , like I come out there .
Speaker 3They'll figure it out like , coach , I'm cooking . Yeah , they'll figure it out I mean I'm good but , you're like , but this dude is not never had a problem a team player . Yeah , my first year in ohio at brush high school up in cleveland , I had a kid that shot a lot and his dad wanted him to shoot a lot and that was hard . I was still young , but I haven't had any issues .
Speaker 2The parents though is it ? Yeah , man , but we're boys now , like the dad loves me and he's my boy so , but when you , when you have these kids and I know it's a little bit different in high school , but what ?
Speaker 3about these parents . Parents jack it up For real , parents jack it up .
Speaker 1They live through their kid . Jack it up , yeah , or they think their kid better than they really are . Yeah , yeah and sometimes you need to just tell them like hey you know your kid ain't that good .
Speaker 2You go insult me , I'm just saying you don't have to stop that shit , so my kids play hockey .
Speaker 4In case you don't know , bro , this guy is very insulting . You got to stop that shit , bro .
Speaker 2You got to stop it , bro . He's still mad because he told Joe she shops at Kohl's .
Speaker 1No , I'm not , Don't play it .
Speaker 2Go ahead man .
Speaker 3So my kids they ?
Speaker 2play hockey . My youngest played club hockey . The first thing the coach did was talk to , had the parents in the room . He said your kid's going to know before you know why they're not playing , and I respect that . He's like I don't want no parents coming up to me asking why their kid's not playing . Because , your son's going to know before you know why they're not playing .
Speaker 4I'm going to take you back 40 years , oh Lord . And I remember my coach said the exact same thing you just said . You know how he said it , what he said . I don't like white people .
Speaker 3But I'm fair .
Speaker 4And if you're white and you're not playing , it ain't because you're white , it's because you ain't damn worth a damn . I love that . That sounds awesome .
Speaker 3No , but I'm just saying , that's exactly what he said that is exactly what he said .
Speaker 4I saw that in the movie , though , and we had five of the coldest white kids on the motherfucking team , bro , they was cold as fuck , right . But they played yeah , exactly , and the other five went to private schools because they came and bought them cars and coasted them away . You and Bro sure broke up . No .
Speaker 1I'm just saying the same thing you did Strong sign .
Speaker 4It's just the way it's said . Back in the day , though , it was just crazy .
Speaker 1He got fired afterward , but that's okay , all right , here we go , man , this participation trophies . Now you know , when we played , everybody didn't play . Now you got these little leagues where everybody has to play .
Speaker 4They have to have so many plays .
Speaker 1What the hell is that ?
Speaker 2Yeah , you do , you have to have eight plays , oh , like Pop Warner , but not in high school . No , no , no , no , no , I'm going back .
Speaker 1It starts back then . That's what he's high school . No , no , no , no , no , no .
Speaker 3I'm going back . It starts back then . That's what he's talking about .
Speaker 1So yeah , so , now , when they get into high school , like if you don't play , you don't play because we either didn't need you or I don't like the participation trophy . Era man , what I ?
Speaker 4didn't like was the weight thing , the what the weight thing , the what the weight thing . You can only weigh so much when you're in certain leagues , and all that .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , so here's the thing though .
Speaker 4So you're 130 pounds and you're dominating this league , right . So you get up to about 150 and then you step up into this other league and everybody's 205 .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , and you're not dominating no more .
Speaker 4And you're sitting there like ain't nothing you can do , yeah , you know . And I always say they tell me , oh , he's little , but he got heart . He's 150 pounds , but he got heart . Okay , what are you going to do when you meet somebody 250 with heart ?
Speaker 1No , that's true , that's going to be a trouble thing , but no listen .
Speaker 4But at the same token I don't agree with the weight thing , Like if you can play , you can play Period , you know .
Speaker 1You talking about like weight limits , they do that for safety of the kids . Yeah , I can understand that . You don't want no .
Speaker 4They don't do it in high school .
Speaker 1The high school , I mean high school our bets are off . I I'm just saying you're in eighth grade , you can only weigh this much , so you're struggling .
Speaker 4You got kids , so you're in eighth grade or whatever . You're in one of those weighted leads or whatever . You can't play unless you weigh so much , right . So everybody about the same , it's a seventh grade bro , Everybody's about the same weight class , but then the next year , which makes a big difference . But people don't understand . Like if you're 7 and this motherfucker 8 , that's a big difference . People think it ain't , but it is oh , from 7 and 8 no , I'm serious , that's a big difference .
Speaker 4so now you're going to go from 8th grade to the 9th grade and , depending who you are , you can go to varsity or JV or whatever freshman class or whatever you're going to do , but there's no weight limit . A lot of that's changed though .
Speaker 1Today's podcast is brought to you by Mike's Harder Lemonade .
Speaker 4It has not changed . That's a thing .
Speaker 2I don't know .
Speaker 1So , I'm just saying though , like they have sponsored Joe's content today , if you keep a kid in a weight limit . Send all your emails to Mike's .
Speaker 2We talking football now , not basketball .
Speaker 1That's why I'm saying the same thing .
Speaker 4I want to know participation trophies . Okay , think about this . Let him answer the participation trophy question you playing basketball right and then Zion Williams walked in the gym . We're going to interview you next week . Zion walked in the basketball right and then Zion Williams walked in the gym . We're going to interview you next week . No wait . Zion walked in the gym right and he's like what ? 12 , 240 pounds .
Speaker 1Hey , he probably was like Ain't no weight , that's football . That ain't no weight limit in basketball .
Speaker 4He said that . He said that I didn't say that .
Speaker 1What weight limit in basketball . He said that . He said that I didn't say that .
Speaker 4Well , weight limit and basketball , he said we talking About basketball , not football .
Speaker 1Yeah , cause I asked Him about participation Trophy .
Speaker 4I'm just saying and just like in general oh , we man , please , they get that out . You ain't gonna change that .
Speaker 1Well , participation trophy , they gotta get that To everybody .
Speaker 4We never had that though I know you didn't , I kept 19 kids on the varsity this year and we rotated jerseys .
Speaker 2Really , that's beautiful .
Speaker 3And not a single parent said anything about playing time .
Speaker 1They knew , but you had 19 ? So how many can you ? You had 15 .
Speaker 3So four of them . We rotated shirts every week . The kids that can't really . They're good kids , they're decent , they're seniors .
Speaker 1Oh , I got you . We had one kid his , I got you , I got you .
Speaker 3Like we had one kid . His mom got murdered . I'm not getting rid of him . I'm not getting rid of him . You know what I mean . I'm going to keep like they're just good kids , but they were no issues and we used them to practice Right . They went against our kids , but you've got to talk to the parents about that .
Speaker 1Like , hey , I'm keeping you . Y'all know he's from Akron , right Because ?
Speaker 3like just playing in the game . That's such a small part of what we teach these kids , right Like there's kids right now training with us that didn't make the team , that have no chance of making the team , but they're hanging with us and their parents want them to be in front of us .
Speaker 1Right .
Speaker 3And I'm with them every day . They're not going to play in any games in the summer but they're with us training .
Speaker 4Have you had one of those that graduated up ?
Speaker 3to that . I've had kids that Just say you got ones that you're like okay , would you just say it .
Speaker 4Then they come back in the summer and you're like this motherfucker , ain't no joke .
Speaker 3You know what else we do that people don't know ? We do a cut league the kids , all the high school kids that get cut in the area .
Speaker 1You told me about that . Yeah , we bring them in .
Speaker 3That's dope yeah we put them in a program and train them and there's been a couple from other schools that made their teams the next year . And the parents love it , man , they're in kids aren't good , so they're playing against other kids that are equal to them . Man , that's a really cool thing .
Speaker 1Listen , that is a beautiful thing that's a cool , I can speak to this . I can hug you right now and don't let mike's uh , he's been drinking outshadow me right
Discussion on Basketball Players and GOAT
Speaker 1now . Okay , sports teaches you discipline . For sure , it teaches you stuff in life . I mean , I learned this way from our dads Because , you know , our dads coached us , but our dads also weren't the parents of where well , we always played , but if you didn't play , they weren't the types like oh , put my son in yeah , they wouldn't have been that type , they would have just been like okay , you need to get better , Because my papa's like oh okay , well , you're nice , but trust me , there's a kid out there somewhere that's just as nice .
Speaker 1And then I heard about Randy Moss . Now go ahead . No , but I'm for real . You start thinking about it . You're like , I'm alright , and then you start thinking like , oh shit , you go to another park , or or you meet this guy and this guy . You're like , oh shit , a lot of us . It is , it is and then you realize like , okay , that's why you always have to be you know , just stay humble . I know we all talk a little trash .
Speaker 3There's a little sixth or seventh grader somewhere , and I'm talking to my team . There's a little sixth or seventh grader somewhere , and I'm talking to my team . There's a little sixth or seventh grader somewhere right now . That's going to take your guys' spot when you're a senior , when they're freshmen .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 3And that was my twins , the two twin guards , little Mexican guards . Like they came in here as freshmen and took folks' jobs .
Speaker 1So there's a sixth grader somewhere that's on your butt right now .
Speaker 3You don't even know .
Speaker 1What grade are they in ?
Speaker 3They're sophomores . They'll be juniors next year .
Speaker 1So they'll be juniors .
Speaker 3Man , they're dogs .
Speaker 1Yeah , nice yeah .
Speaker 3And I let them play . I've learned Tarassi , diana Tarassi . A new coach came in and she was averaging like 25 a game and the new coach was like you're getting too many technicals , no more technicals and next year get as many touchdowns as you need . That's like these kids Like go be a dog .
Speaker 1Yeah , do what you do . Do what you do Because you're trying to .
Speaker 3it's almost like you're trying to bottle it up , don't do it , and you just be like dude , go ahead do your thing , right , right , right right , don't just go out there being wild .
Speaker 4When did you find that to let them go ?
Speaker 3That's back to the point guard thing . I've always kind of want to be in control of this stuff . I stopped calling sets probably halfway through the season this year .
Speaker 1Damn , I Just let them flow . I never paid attention to that . Let them go .
Speaker 3They know how to play . I'm always a set guy . I've been a set guy right . I'm like . These dudes know what to do man .
Speaker 2They probably have a lot more fun doing that as well they do .
Speaker 3They don't have to remember stuff because I this helped A-Lon Johnson , one of my players , one of the most athletic kids in the state , couldn't remember stuff . He just plays , man , he got a full ride scholarship . Just let him play let him play you think ? You think that's that's hard for me , but , man , they play with a lot of freedom . Yeah , so I give you freedom on the offensive end you got to do stuff down there for me .
Speaker 4Yeah , you got to D them up , that's all right right there , yeah .
Speaker 1So I guess that would be more like playing . Let's say like if you're playing in a league or something you know like let's just say an adult league , and we coming down we don't have no sets or nothing , you know , you just like Just hooping . Okay , Kind of like the Celtics , that's like the .
Speaker 3I mean there's some organized Right right , right , right right , that's like the Sheskey right , he doesn't play offense but you got to play offense yeah .
Speaker 4Right . I mean it's kind of like the Boston Celtics .
Speaker 1What they do .
Speaker 4They ain't got no set . They want to come down and just shoot .
Speaker 2The .
Speaker 4NBA game , depending on if he feel it Okay .
Speaker 1If he feel it , they shouldn't have lost that game . Here's another question for you . Do you think a lot of people talking about Ant Edwards called out Kyrie ?
Speaker 3Oh , he did . I didn't hear that .
Speaker 1No , that's what they're saying . All he said was his matchup was going to be Kyrie .
Speaker 3Yeah , that's fine .
Speaker 1A lot of people are saying they're trying to make it into summer . He called him out . Yeah , I love .
Speaker 3Edwards , I love him .
Speaker 1He can go .
Speaker 2Oh , yeah , no he can , and he doesn't make excuses , he's excited . He's like , yeah , like he's old school . That dude is excited . I like it , I like watching him .
Speaker 3All right , lucas said .
Speaker 2What'd he ?
Speaker 3say I just watched it on TikTok on the way over he said . He said I'm the best white player in the world , right ? So I must got a little bit of Larry Bird DNA in me .
Speaker 4Right .
Speaker 3Right . And then he said I think he was talking to Ant , like someone must have said something .
Speaker 1Right Then he mentioned Kyrie , who has the best handles ever Ever . I already know who , I think .
Speaker 3I mean .
Speaker 1I'm going , kyrie .
Speaker 3I think Kyrie is up there for sure . His handle is Listen , Steph Curry got nice handles .
Speaker 1He really does , but still no , steph does have .
Speaker 3And you know who else who can handle it Nash , nash . Yeah , he had Nash , and it's a different like you said it's a different handle .
Speaker 1It's a different handle . Oh , Jason Williams' handles was nice White chocolate , white chocolate .
Speaker 4That dude was stupid , I'll put his handles behind Kyrie . Yeah , yeah , I go . Kyrie , jason Williams , jason , he's still playing adult league in .
Speaker 2Orlando you see his daughter plays softball for Florida . Oh is she , she's nice is she ?
Speaker 1yeah , yeah , like that dude , he was smooth , I think he was . He was before his time , he was like when , like if he played now , I think he'd be even he'd be straight , he'd be really good .
Speaker 2Jason Williams was the N1 player that ended up in there .
Speaker 1His handle .
Speaker 2Once again , we could put the professor up there .
Speaker 4Raven Alston had handles .
Speaker 1No he had Hot songs . Listen . My favorite point guard of all time is the Detroit Pistons , Isaiah Thomas .
Speaker 2Isaiah Thomas .
Speaker 1Now , because I know you was a big Jordan fan .
Speaker 4I'm a big .
Speaker 1Jordan fan . Yeah , yeah , I'm a big Jordan fan . Now tell me this who would you consider the GOAT ?
Speaker 3I knew you were going to ask me that today and we're from Akron right and we grew up with the Bronx See , so sometimes I can't answer .
Speaker 1I tell them the story .
Speaker 2Yeah , I said Leroy , give me an answer , leroy , man , I ain't afraid to say it .
Speaker 1Leroy .
Speaker 4Here's what I said , leroy .
Speaker 1My job . I went to St Vincent , St Mary . My job was directly across the street . Now , remember , I'm a college football player . I was what ? 26 , 27 ? Going over playing , still in great shape , dunking whatever . I think LeBron was , maybe 16 , 17 ?
Speaker 312 years younger than me .
Speaker 1So we're sitting up here , we're going , we're playing , it was all right .
Speaker 3I mean he was always good now .
Speaker 1But I'm just saying like I could attempt to guard him . Like freshman year , sophomore year came , nah , I can't do it somebody else has to get this dude .
Speaker 4It was just like so much bigger , and all that just say Leroy and the Goat , right , but here's my thing .
Speaker 1We seen . I told them too a few episodes ago . The second best high school player I ever seen with my own eyes in person was Jimmy Jackson , and this is when we was playing at Toledo May Conference .
Speaker 4It was LeBron . Jimmy Jackson was nice though .
Speaker 3When we lost to Cleveland St Joe's . If we would have beat them , we would have played them , you would have played Jimmy Jackson and y'all lost to Tony Miller .
Speaker 1Tony's , if we would have beat them , we would have played them . You would have played Jimmy Jackson , and y'all lost to Tony Miller . Tony Miller , who's out here ? Is Tony Miller out here ?
Speaker 3Yeah , he's one of the best trainers in the state .
Speaker 1Duh .
Speaker 3Training everyone . He was a baller .
Speaker 1He played football .
Speaker 3Point guard at Marquette . I'm just telling you Four years
Discussion on Basketball Players and Eras
Speaker 3at Marquette .
Speaker 4Ohio man we just got athletes , man , I don't know why .
Speaker 1I mean you . Just I don't know if it's the water .
Speaker 4I don't know about the athlete but I know y'all got beautiful women . Hey , come on , all right , no let's get back to the goal .
Speaker 1So I'm giving it to LeBron .
Speaker 3I'm giving it to LeBron too , Listen , I idolize Michael Jordan . We both did yeah , yeah , and I love LeBron . Lebron's first 12 , 13 , 14 , 15 years whatever dominant Recently . His antics to me are hurting his legacy in that argument .
Speaker 2The flopping Right the flopping not getting into the screen like into the TV camera from staying back .
Speaker 3Those kind of things I don't think Jordan would have ever done .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 3But there's a disadvantage for LeBron too . It's the cell phone and social media .
Speaker 2Everyone follows him , no one was following Jordan like that , no one was following Jordan like that with cameras , but I never .
Speaker 3I watched every one of Jordan's games , man . He was always in the screen and he never made excuses , man , if they lost . We need to get better , so I respect that deeply . I think they're both stinking good .
Speaker 1It's such a small , it's nice to be considered a GOAT .
Speaker 2Can I say something real quick ? It's two different eras . I understand that . Do I think LeBron could play in that era ? Yes , minus the flopping .
Speaker 3You can't flop in that era .
Speaker 2You get beat up but Jordan in this era , I think would dominate .
Speaker 3They're both dominant for sure yeah . Jordan's my GOAT .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 4I would hesitate to say it because LeBron's my boy .
Speaker 3Right , right , right If he was right here , I'd be like LeBron Right .
Speaker 4I'm going to go with Leroy .
Speaker 3That's my boy right there . He's really man Because .
Speaker 4I think but .
Speaker 1I respect what he's saying because he knows basketball way better than me .
Speaker 4I think they're more athletic these days than they were back then .
Speaker 2Jordan's pretty athletic . No , no , he's talking about the opponent .
Speaker 1Overall , Okay okay , he's talking about , like Bill Cartwright and Gabe Corzine , just say the league . Say the league had 250 people enjoying basketball . Like now Mel Turpin is Rudy . Rudy Gobert , you might have had 150 of them .
Speaker 4That was athletic and could do something . Now you got 250 , but they all 250 can ball .
Speaker 2They're more athletic now , but you didn't want to run into Charles Oakley Right . Knock your ass out .
Speaker 1I saw .
Speaker 2Charles Oakley slap somebody you didn't want to run into Charles .
Speaker 1Oakley , right , knock your ass out . I saw Charles Oakley slap somebody man , charles Oakley , you didn't want to run into Barkley . Barkley wasn't athletic .
Speaker 4Yeah .
Speaker 2But you didn't want to run into him . Yeah , yeah , yeah , but see you got to understand .
Speaker 4You got to understand , though , love it . They was fat though . Who , I don't care . Barkley and Oakley . They were fat back in the day Barkley wasn't fat .
Speaker 2No , he wasn't fat , he was dominating ?
Speaker 4Yes , he was . When he lost the weight , he wasn't fat .
Speaker 1No , probably when he got to Houston or something .
Speaker 4Barkley was 300-something pounds . What are you talking about ? He wasn't fat . Why are you hating ?
Speaker 2on Barkley Because he went to Auburn .
Speaker 4Oh , that's right . That's why he's hating he was fat .
Speaker 3He would tell you himself .
Speaker 4He was fat . But , he was still good . I'm not saying he was good , but he was fat Watching those games from that era . If you look at the player today , that motherfucker's athletic .
Speaker 3I agree .
Speaker 4Like you said , it's the training , all this motherfucking high tech shit they got going on . Look , the motherfucker knew not to eat too many hamburgers . It's a softer error .
Speaker 2This error is about scoring . That error was not about scoring Nutrition and shit .
Speaker 4I mean , don't get me wrong , they taught us nutrition . We didn't take it serious , because that's just what it was . But now the nutrition and all that stuff is a big factor .
Speaker 1No , I agree , what about ?
Speaker 4Zion .
Speaker 3These guys have . I love him , he's a man y'all and he went to Duke . That's my favorite .
Speaker 1These guys have cooks and shit . I love Zion , my dog .
Speaker 2Zion's in the wrong era right now . He should have been back in that era , especially if he .
Speaker 1So you think if he can develop a constant like a nine , he don't even need to develop a three . No , but he's always hurt .
Speaker 3Right now , he's always hurt . I do think there's such a thing as being too athletic . You think it's because of his weight . I think some kids are too athletic , like .
Speaker 1Derrick .
Speaker 3Rose .
Speaker 2I think he is . Derrick Rose is too athletic .
Speaker 3You could be too athletic , and that's how you get injured .
Speaker 1Yeah , those cats move and cut so quick .
Speaker 2Because I'm sitting up here looking at this big dude like he needs somebody to almost slow him down .
Speaker 4Hey , he blew his shoe out though .
Speaker 1Like you'll see him here be at the three . Next thing you know he's dribbling . He at the foul line . Next thing you know , he at the bucket Bucking on people . How in the hell did he get there so fast ?
Speaker 4And his second jump is so fast . He's . That freak Zion needed a little help , that's all .
Speaker 1You need some help .
Speaker 4Yeah , a little bit . A couple more players , yeah , just need a little bit .
Speaker 2They got some talent on that team , yeah .
Speaker 4It don't matter , you need a little help bro .
Speaker 1Hey , you know somebody on that team from Ohio , that's right . Oh my God , if I hear from them , they're looking for me .
Speaker 2Oh man , hey , there's someone part of that team .
Speaker 4Hey .
Speaker 1Jared , that's my job to sit up here . Anything from .
Speaker 4Ohio man . Look he an Army brat . He can claim Ohio too .
Speaker 1Hey , listen , that's the thing .
Speaker 4He an Army brat , though he can claim Ohio . I've been through Ohio . What's the Ohio State bird ?
Speaker 2The bird yeah .
Speaker 1You said what's the bird ? Yeah , what's the state bird , what's the state flower ?
Speaker 4I need to know all this . We never really needed to know that man I don't know what the bird is , but back to mason park . I know the bird is the state flower , the wait yeah I gotta hear a story with uh cj mccullum
Speaker 3right um he was going to glen oak and todd sudden was the ad D down there .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 3And Todd went to Central Howard .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2Coached me at Revere . That's when .
Speaker 3I first started coaching and we were getting ready to leave Ohio to move to Arizona . Okay , it was like 2003 or whatever and the head coaching position came up at Glen Oak . Okay , and he called me right away and said if you come down here and interview , don't come down here if you ain't going to take the job .
Speaker 1Right right .
Speaker 3And I'm like man , we're about to possibly move to Arizona and I would have had McCollum and the big kid that went to Ohio State , the big center , coach Jacufas .
Speaker 1Okay , yeah , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 3Several years , but I would have gotten to coach that dude .
Speaker 1That's crazy . Mccollum is nice man , he's the one that hit Duke up with like 40 .
Speaker 3And he went to a brown-colored uniform , some small school .
Speaker 1It's the Ivy League , smoked him .
Speaker 3Smoked Duke . That's when I first learned about it .
Speaker 1What's the Ivy League start with a P Princeton . No , it wasn't Princeton , they're brown . Wait , did he go to Dartmouth ?
Speaker 3Nope Keep saying it .
Speaker 1You said it started with a P . It ain't a P , no wait .
Speaker 2It's not Princeton .
Speaker 1It ain't Columbia . I just looked . You said it's not Dartmouth .
Speaker 3No , it ain't Dartmouth , I just saw it . Cornell no .
Speaker 2Damn . You said it starts with a P Lehigh , lehigh .
Speaker 3Lehigh .
Speaker 1God damn .
Speaker 3Yep , man , he's what . They were the 15 seed and Duke was the two seed .
Speaker 2So I got a question for you .
Speaker 3Who was the best player you've ? Ever coached Probably well . Potentially would have been Marcus Ruppel , my first year out here . He was , besides LeBron , the second best player I've ever watched play
Basketball Memories and Pickleball Plans
Speaker 36'8" . As soon as I got out here , I started getting phone calls from major universities right , they're flying in to see him , but he had a huge like attitude problem . I had to actually kick him off the team , like seven games in . And the game before I kicked him off , he had 36 and 20 rebounds Unbelievable game .
Speaker 2Before I kicked him off , he had 36 and 20 rebounds what unbelievable .
Speaker 3Just a real bad anger . But um , yeah , like he got a full ride , scholarship ended up getting .
Speaker 2You know , not that didn't work out , um , but we're still boys , but he was stinking talented yeah , does that make you sick when ?
Speaker 1you have all this talent out right , hey , you know hey .
Speaker 3I was telling them yeah , yeah .
Speaker 1Like tell them , there are so many people probably like just chilling at the corner on West Exchange , west Market , baird Street , that I'm like y'all think , like I mean they might not have been the nicest brawn , but like just super , super nice . Sometimes they couldn't get off , they didn't want to leave the corner man .
Speaker 3I played in the Perkins Pool League on the west side and this thing was hey .
Speaker 1the Perkins Pool League is our version of Rucker in New York .
Speaker 3It really is , yeah , and there'll be 500 people watching on the fences ?
Speaker 1Yup , they pull up with all the cars . Duh , and I would guess If you hoop there , yeah , I would guess If you hooped there .
Speaker 3Yeah , I would guess that only 50% of those dudes played high school basketball . Okay , yeah . But they were out there just killing .
Speaker 1That's true . That's true . Half the team . You would like play somebody . You know we all like high school kids or something . Or even after , when we became adults , you sent a pair of lights Wait , damn , he ain't playing high school .
Speaker 2Like you said , he didn't play in high school . He didn't play in high school .
Speaker 1You like man gracious .
Speaker 3That's where you learn how to play , yeah .
Speaker 1That's what I was just wondering , like as far as like with the skill level and stuff , because we would sit up there seventh , eighth grade and we was playing with the high school kids . You know they kind of like mix us up in there and all that , but you know you still sit up there and you'll go play like .
Speaker 3You know what's different too . I just mentioned this to some of my players . When you went to the park , if you were like waiting and there was ten dudes playing and there was five waiting , you might not be playing the next game .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , no , no , no , pick up right . Oh no , you pick somebody up off the court .
Speaker 3I'm going to take the three that are better than you , yeah .
Speaker 1Y'all going to have to wait , yeah .
Speaker 3So if you couldn't hoop , you played the last game . Yeah that's true , you might play the last game you might not play at all .
Speaker 2That's true .
Speaker 1That's why we're so used to like when you lead a court . We just used to be like , oh , I'll take him , I'll take him , I'll take him , and he's running with me , let's go , yeah . And then if you ain't get picked , you be like all right , here I got , next I got next yeah .
Speaker 4Yeah , yeah . Whenever your game came and nobody know you , you wouldn't even have no team .
Speaker 3That's a valuable lesson Dog .
Speaker 4He's like hey , you want to run with me ? No , bro , I'm good , I wait .
Speaker 1So now , would you ever ?
Speaker 4I'll tell you what , though this man here would run with you , though he didn't care , he was like I'll run with you , dog .
Speaker 3Hey , how long were you playing on hoop ?
Speaker 4You ain't get the ball from him . But he said I run the ball , no you didn't pass . What did I just say ?
Speaker 1You said you wouldn't get the ball I said you couldn't hoop oh yeah , no , no , no , no , no , and you'll be like hey .
Speaker 4I run with you dog .
Speaker 3Yeah , he'll freeze you up . I'm going to be selective . I'm going to be selective 515 .
Speaker 1Did you . He said I'll run with you . Oh , y'all play right over here . Yeah , oh damn .
Speaker 4I'm just telling you what he do . He said I'll run with you and you wouldn't get the ball .
Speaker 1How many times a week do you play ? I know you play Sunday .
Speaker 3I'm in a Wednesday league and I'm in a Sunday league and where do you play ? Wednesday In Lifetime .
Speaker 1I Play the .
Speaker 3I'm proud of y'all . Man , that's fun so you play Wednesday at Lifetime right here 67th yeah .
Speaker 1Yep , and then Scottsdale . Oh , okay , okay , you play .
Speaker 2Sunday .
Speaker 1Morning League . There's three gyms right .
Speaker 3They only have one now , because they all Pickleball .
Speaker 1Oh , Pickleball is taking over .
Speaker 2You see them build another Pick pickleball place over there . Oh , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 4Dog . Don't bring that , tom Brady . You seen the one down by the stadium .
Speaker 1Damn you , tom Brady , you seen the pickleball oh , chicken , yeah that facility is crazy .
Speaker 2I've never been in there . It's so crazy , it's so nice . So they got the one on Bell . They're building another one on Bell .
Speaker 3I played at the one on Bell the pickleball .
Speaker 2Yeah , where that Stoudmart is , hey that's Tom Brady man .
Speaker 1Tony Molina got one in his house .
Speaker 3Oh , he got a pickleball In his big old garage . Tony , oh my God , yeah , white Tony .
Speaker 1White Tony . Yeah , Tony Rich . You know , we got black Tony , Tony Rich .
Speaker 3Black Tony , white Tony my kids love white .
Speaker 4Tony .
Speaker 3Shit , I ain't . He's a good dude .
Speaker 4We went over to his house and that motherfucker had a goddamn swimming pool so big he had like Three pumps on his head .
Speaker 3And you know his son , his son died right . Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 4And my daughter Went over there with him . He had a motherfucking Water slide and shit . One of them kids Loved that motherfucker . Now they don't want . They love calling him White Tony , white Tony .
Speaker 1So he got a pickleball court . He does , man . We got to get Tone on the podcast . Where's he at now ?
Speaker 3Tone doesn't do social media . He don't do nothing .
Speaker 4Where's he at now ? He right here . He's right by Glendale Prep High School .
Speaker 3He's super 83rd , 83rd 83rd is like . Pinnacle .
Speaker 2Peak or something right .
Speaker 3He's super religious now , too right he is . They got three kids together . They're volunteering at CCV . I got to see you , tony .
Speaker 4My kids love that man .
Speaker 1I took my kids over to that house .
Speaker 4They were like he got a water slide . They were like the thing had a tunnel and everything you should see the new house he has , oh my .
Speaker 3God , he got a cold plunge inside . He got a sauna inside . He got a rock climbing wall inside . He got a pickle plunge inside . You got a sauna inside . You got a rock climbing wall inside . You got a pickleball court inside .
Speaker 1Tony .
Speaker 3I'm coming over , I'm coming to see you , white Tony Still got a fat boy hey , listen , I heard you wanted to get his fat boy , oh yeah , do we still have
Nostalgic Basketball Chatter
Speaker 3. He got it all . He got a what's it ? El Cat or whatever El .
Speaker 4Cat , oh , the Hell Cat .
Speaker 3El Cat yep , and then he got everything .
Speaker 4Yeah , he wanted it . I know Bosco was like let me have that fat boy .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , what was it ? The Borgette no .
Speaker 4Something . Yeah , he let you drove his Porsche .
Speaker 1Oh man , I drove that once too . Oh my God , man , that's so fast .
Speaker 3I was about to open 115 . Then that was Now Bosco told me . Bosco said I threw the thing . I was at 80-something miles an hour . I was still in third gear that junk's scary .
Speaker 1Hey that man dog Shout out to Tone .
Speaker 4Yeah , I mean he had all this stuff , but it's like he didn't really care about it , hey , and .
Speaker 1Big Tone , big Tone's still playing , playing . Oh yeah , yeah , he played , we got , we got , was he over ?
Speaker 3there , yeah , so we won the first three games today .
Speaker 1Right , yeah , we're gonna get big tone here , yeah , he'll be ,
Speaker 3on , he would do a good job yeah so they got you gotta go to the back gym if you lose . So he's always the last one to leave the gym and he's just staring at you . Right , you just lost , so you need to go to the back gym . And he's like don't tell me where to go , so he goes back there and they come back . We win again . Right , we won three or four games . The first three or four games we won . They finally beat us . I didn't say a word to him , didn't say one word to him about us winning , and I'm like why are you staring at me ?
Speaker 2right now . Did he tell you his stats ? Why are you looking at me ? Yeah , he's come from your gym to our gym and next thing you know he's just looking at you . Like you know , I got three wins up there .
Speaker 1How many you got yeah right , oh , come on man .
Speaker 4You can't carry on .
Speaker 2I didn't know that .
Speaker 4Jerry used to call a foul for no reason .
Speaker 3Oh man , Tone has actually gotten , a lot better . Oh Way , way , way , way better .
Speaker 1He looks such a cool dude now . Yeah , way , way better . I used to hate that dude .
Speaker 3Yeah , no one liked to play with him . No .
Speaker 2Because they would be on y'all's team and y'all would always use him and he would just set screens , screens , screens , screens .
Speaker 1Man , I almost Let me tell you Illegal screens .
Speaker 4I wonder what they like Last time we played I can remember playing with Tony . It took us about an hour and a half to finish the game .
Speaker 3For sure .
Speaker 1Oh , because it was arguing .
Speaker 3Yeah , I hated playing with him back in the day .
Speaker 2I wanted to fight him . He threw a screen on me one time , an hour and a half .
Speaker 4I don't care about the screens , it's just an hour and a half . Dude this game . Look , you go to the bathroom , go down the street , come back .
Speaker 2they be , on the same game .
Speaker 1Y'all still playing and that's why y'all played the seven . Huh , we played the seven Back then , we played the 11 .
Speaker 315 and 11 is way too much .
Speaker 1Game seven man , we played the 11 .
Speaker 2Seven or nine is good . Now we played the 11 back in the day .
Speaker 4Get it over quick and man , he would get the ball Because even if you played until 15 .
Speaker 1You played like seven or nine ?
Speaker 4No , the first game was 15 . The rest of them was 11 .
Speaker 1But still even some people are going to sit there and relax .
Speaker 3Then , once you get to eight or nine , you're going to turn it up a little bit . No , we go game first point , we're balling .
Speaker 2Game seven let's go that forces you to play defense .
Speaker 1You play hard , you've got to play . It causes people to See .
Speaker 4I did at the church . They used to play at the church . They had you on the clock .
Speaker 3Oh yeah , Bethany .
Speaker 2We ran a clock for a little bit .
Speaker 4That's on the clock and then at Tempe , yeah , they put you on the clock over there . And the only thing I like about that them motherfuckers get a two-point lead and they're going to stall .
Speaker 1That's crazy , for sure , that's what I said . They play four corners with you , you said Sunday morning Well . I know you play Sunday morning , but do you play in the league ? Where's the league at on Sunday , scottsdale ? And you play Wednesday , wednesday . How are your knees ?
Speaker 3feeling . The only thing that hurts is my back after oh man you should talk to me , I got something for you . I'm sure you do .
Speaker 4No .
Speaker 3I'm serious though . I got something stretch my hamstrings a lot . I get in the pool early in the morning . That helps . I know I always see you in the gym , so but it's still like , I'm still all right , like at 52 , I still can hang in there .
Speaker 1Dude . No , hey , that's why I said that .
Speaker 4Look , I'm serious , I got some tea . Okay , I don't like tea .
Speaker 3It don't matter what , hey Jobin pushing his tea man .
Speaker 1I love this tea . Bro , bring the tea next week . I have heard a couple people that he gave it to and like I know the ailments and stuff man , I have seen it with my own eyes .
Speaker 4I'll give it to you , you old school bro , my boy , my boy , I'll give it to Bosco next time I see him .
Speaker 3He said you don't like tea , I don't like tea .
Speaker 4I don't like tea , I'm just saying .
Speaker 2Just mix it up with a little honey and drink it .
Speaker 4Yep , okay , done with it . All right , do it before you go to bed .
Speaker 1I hear that .
Speaker 4Wake up in the morning and everything you got to be gone .
Speaker 2Love it it fights off old age .
Speaker 3all that I want to try this tee too , you ain't old , you ain't old about that .
Speaker 1You do got to be over 50 .
Speaker 4No , you don't have to be 50 . You ain't old yet . We just put 50 on .
Speaker 1What elements do you have ? Hey man , I'm already 50 and I'm on my knees .
Speaker 4Man , look , I took this stuff , bro . My shoulders Felt better . Hey , guess what Wait , Eh Steve ain't going to take the tea , steve will take it . I told Steve about the tea .
Speaker 3Did you .
Speaker 1Yeah , you gave it to .
Speaker 4Isaac .
Speaker 3Yeah , Isaac didn't even take it .
Speaker 4How's Isaac doing ? Oh , he's cool man .
Speaker 1I know he has like he has , oh man .
Speaker 4Oh his back . Yeah , he said he gave some tea and he wouldn't even take it . I'm going to stick to my doctor Get my tea back . I'm going to get it back , though . No , but I gave it to my daughter for shin splints . She love it .
Speaker 2I thought you had to be over 50 , man , give me some of that damn tea .
Speaker 1I don't care , you don't run . I'm a hater , you are a hater .
Speaker 4I don't like shit from Texas . You are a hater . I can't mess with Texas , it's funny because don't mess with Texas .
Speaker 2This is usually the outro I was just talking to someone we talk over it I was driving through Texas one time he was talking about how they whooped your hotel In . Where In everything , who the dude I talked to'm going ?
Speaker 1to get one .
Speaker 4What dude is that ?
Speaker 1What's his ?
Speaker 4name .
Speaker 3I'll tell you who he is .
Speaker 4Anyway , the only one that can claim that they whooped us and everything , is that piece of shit son-in-law of mine , and he wasn't lying about that . That's something that whooped us and everything .
Speaker 1Who was that ?
Speaker 4He played linebacker for all . Oh boy , that was a close one .
Speaker 3That's awesome .
Speaker 4Anyway , but he played linebacker for him and he was cold . Yeah , sure he was . He liked to think he married my daughter and I had to muster up enough strength to go to the wedding .
Speaker 1Akron zone Jed .
Speaker 2Ray Dunn , sir Nice to see you over here . Dog man Goodrich Junior High School , goodrich . It had to be about 15 years , listen , yeah , tell them .
Speaker 1Tell them about the white Beretta .
Speaker 3Listen , I told y'all , we used to sit up here .
Speaker 1Man what we would sit up here yeah .
Speaker 4But that was a cold card .
Speaker 1Here's the question that Beretta was a cold card .
Speaker 4It wasn't even a regular Beretta .
Speaker 1It was the pretty with the spoilers and stuff , beretta . Now here's the thing , this is the one thing I question them for . But we were all kids . It was me , who all was I . It was me , you . I don was I . It was me , you , I don't know . If it was like Keith DeJuan , we would all walk over to his house right from our house . We would go to the Agora on Sunday , jay chilling with his girlfriend . Shout out to the high school girlfriend . I ain't going to say no names over here , but anyway , I'm sitting up here thinking like now this is my adult self . I'm like man , that's a beautiful young lady . Why is he taking us to ? Because that , I mean , this is our boy . He really just taking us . He left his girlfriend , just you know , for his homies . I mean , she knew like , oh hey , I'm going to the club with the fellas and stuff . So I just want to thank you Because I was like how in the hell I wouldn't have left my chick to go hang out ? We was knuckleheads , dog .
Speaker 3We was all cool .
Speaker 1We went to a little teenage bar called the Agora .
Akron Police and Friendship Appreciation
Speaker 3Listen the White Beretta story , the Akron police dudes that we know from like the West Side .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 3They would pull me over every time just to see who I had in the car . Right , they would pull me , man , six , seven times . Pull me over down by down at Akron when I was at going to the University of Akron yeah , they'd pull me over , walk up slow like we just want to see who you have in the car dog listen , right , listen it's .
Speaker 2Chick right hey dog .
Speaker 1I still remember . And we'll be sitting downstairs like damn man . We're trying to go to the corner . What's this cat doing ? He had to handle business . Dog , dog , hey we appreciate you . Hey , you know you got to come back for real , we got to get you back . Oh man , we got to get you back . Oh man , we gotta get you back With .
Speaker 3Tone Yep .
Speaker 1I'ma tell Tone .
Speaker 3Let's do it .
Speaker 1Cause I'ma tell , i'ma tell Tone that you came on .
Speaker 3Cause , I know , cause he's scared to come on . Nah man , we'll do it .
Speaker 1Nah , tone will come on man .
Speaker 3Cause usually dog .
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Speaker 4The second can , that's right .
Speaker 1You good , I'm good . All right , y'all we out of here Peace , baby Peace .