Ready for a brew-tiful journey and a fantasy football frenzy? Strap in as Scott and I take you through our craft beer escapades and the nitty-gritty of fantasy football. Let us set the scene with our visit to Monkish brewery in Bend, Oregon, and Icicle Brewing in Leavenworth - both brimming with flavors as diverse as the food truck delicacies that grace these establishments.
Our adventure isn’t just about satisfying our palates; it also involves tackling the proposed scoring change for receiving from one point to 0.5 points in fantasy football. We're breaking down the possible repercussions on the value of running backs versus wide receivers and evaluating the shifting sands of the NFL landscape. Will our proposed Superflex position shake up the game? How about abolishing the unpredictable kicker? These are some of the hard-hitting topics we'll dissect.
As we conclude, we ponder over the expansion of our fantasy football league and the potential for a full reset in 2024. We'll also discuss contingency plans for suspended or postponed games and the thrill of introducing an individual defensive player (IDP) position. Listen in as we relive the time two league members bunked at the J and Stands, and don’t miss the deadline for voting on these proposed rules. Tune in next time as we pull apart rosters and debate possible keepers. Prepare for an intoxicating blend of craft brews and fantasy football banter!
Ready for a brew-tiful journey and a fantasy football frenzy? Strap in as Scott and I take you through our craft beer escapades and the nitty-gritty of fantasy football. Let us set the scene with our visit to Monkish brewery in Bend, Oregon, and Icicle Brewing in Leavenworth - both brimming with flavors as diverse as the food truck delicacies that grace these establishments.
Our adventure isn’t just about satisfying our palates; it also involves tackling the proposed scoring change for receiving from one point to 0.5 points in fantasy football. We're breaking down the possible repercussions on the value of running backs versus wide receivers and evaluating the shifting sands of the NFL landscape. Will our proposed Superflex position shake up the game? How about abolishing the unpredictable kicker? These are some of the hard-hitting topics we'll dissect.
As we conclude, we ponder over the expansion of our fantasy football league and the potential for a full reset in 2024. We'll also discuss contingency plans for suspended or postponed games and the thrill of introducing an individual defensive player (IDP) position. Listen in as we relive the time two league members bunked at the J and Stands, and don’t miss the deadline for voting on these proposed rules. Tune in next time as we pull apart rosters and debate possible keepers. Prepare for an intoxicating blend of craft brews and fantasy football banter!
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Slinging Sammy's Fantasy Football Podcast. I'm Chris and I'm here by best buddy, scott the functional alcoholic. How are you doing, scott?
Speaker 2:Hey Chris, my penis doesn't like it when you talk to me like that. I don't like that at all.
Speaker 1:I'm just slapping it around and do what you gotta do. Nothing in order and you're in, okay.
Speaker 2:I'm doing okay. I'm doing just great, Having a fabulous summer, getting out to some places, getting a chance to travel a little bit, getting a chance to build up that brewery list I think we're around 420, somewhere around that total breweries. So it's been a nice summer of that, getting out, doing some hiking and doing some boating and all sorts of great stuff. How about you, man?
Speaker 1:Doing pretty much the same. I didn't get to as many breweries as you have, but it was out in the sunshine of Bend Oregon, getting to see a bunch of nature out there, and we're going to head over to Santa Barbara next week, so that's what we've been working on a little bit. Did get to go to Crutch Brewery. That was kind of a really good place. What was it called Crux? Yeah, it's a really good brewery there in Bend Oregon. We used the original Brewmaster, ford chutes, and then he went over to do his own new place, to do it better and I think actually did so. What was your favorite brewery that you?
Speaker 2:went through this year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when.
Speaker 2:I was there at Crux and I really, really enjoyed Monkish Really good place. It actually used to be Craft Brewing in Bend, overlooking one of their entertainment venues, but just beautiful, wonderful Belgian beers. I think the best beer I had was a peppercorn Belgian Imperial Week or something like that and it was just amazing. But I got to get some big brewers there too. Went down to Passau Robleys in LA actually hit Firestone Walker, hit Golden Road another big brewery. They have a place in Sacramento. They were fantastic. And Bottle Logic is another big brewery now. So got to a lot of good places, but Bend Monkish was my favorite.
Speaker 1:Monkish was, I would get a chance to go there. Of course we were a bunch of kids so we didn't have a lot of chances to get to Jiminy Brewery. We only hit two. Some were over there, some were over there and we had to effort to get to Cross.
Speaker 2:Some were good. I remember it being solid. I didn't actually get to get to this time, but it was solid, yeah it was good beer.
Speaker 1:It was, yeah, it was just solid.
Speaker 2:I know the crazy thing about Bend every brewery has two or three food trucks. That's not something I see of very many places, but they have two or three food trucks, unless they serve food of their own. Otherwise they have every place we went. It's kind of nice because you're like, hey, you can still get food from a variety of places, which is nice.
Speaker 1:And you have your options, because here, unfortunately, my favorite brewery, canary Bend, that just reopened up, has been closed since COVID, wow. But occasionally they'll have a food truck out there, but usually it's just your grab beer and that's all you can get, which is fine. But it's always nice to have that food kind of keep you going in case you want to have, you have one too many, or fill that belly, or hunger or whatever you've got to do, and then we have more than one. That's even better, because then you've got the choices Okay.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, okay, so we officially it is 420 breweries and we've hit 36 breweries this year. A lot of those 36 were really three in the sense of the summer, so it's kind of yeah, you guys want to attract us to the summer.
Speaker 1:on that brewery tour that was pretty impressive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot of great places.
Speaker 1:But practically. If I'm wrong, you did. And was it seven days? How many brews?
Speaker 2:I think we were two weeks, I think we almost did about 20 plus breweries or like that. Oh, mother Earth was another big one. It's another kind of a semi big brewery. That's actually really good. And I guess my other, probably favorite brewery Icicle Icicle Brewing in Leavenworth Leavenworth is like a German village. You can sit out there. That's like they have pedestrian streets. You can see the mountains in the background, but their beer is fantastic. Their Alpine Glow just won the World Beer Cup for the best Hazy. Oh, wow, okay. They're a whole string of like they had a whole flight of Hazys that were all incredible. Like I couldn't even tell you which one was the best one. Like it's the one on one. I guess that was good, but all of them are good.
Speaker 1:So if you were to get to Leavenworth, Icicle Okay, awesome, were you able to pick up a bunch to take home, or did you I?
Speaker 2:picked up some, like I picked up a few six packs here and then actually we were down a store further away. I thought, oh, we probably aren't going to be able to get them anymore. But actually there was another store in Ertugowin that carried them, so I got some there. But you know, it's always weird how much do you buy? You can only buy so much, yeah, that's true, and then very cheap For Golden Road. Actually, we went to the Hollywood Bowl, we went to concerts. There you can actually bring an alcohol, so you can get wine, beers, or I think we bought a six pack or something in there, and so it's kind of a cool little thing.
Speaker 1:Well, that makes it kind of fun. I don't know how things do that, because I always want you to buy their stuff or their vendor stuff or whatever, so that's kind of nice to be able to do that.
Speaker 2:Exactly, but when, of course, when I ran out, I had to buy one of their beers and it was like, ah, $18 for a 20 ounce can Come on, you're killing me and you're getting course light right. It was good beer. At least it was good beer. So it's actually one of the things You're wrong.
Speaker 1:I don't mind a good course light once in a while, but they're paying 18 bucks. It's not what you want. Absolutely, absolutely. So, yeah, it's a good beers.
Speaker 2:And I hope, when we have our draft here in about another month or so, I hope we get the opportunity to hit a few breweries when you guys are up here, so, but we'll see you. We'll talk about draft day or draft weekend festivities in another cast.
Speaker 1:The draft weekend is almost upon a full week. About 40, 30 days are on there.
Speaker 2:See it's a few seconds, so it's like five weeks, I guess. Five weeks, yeah, five, five weeks till draft time.
Speaker 1:You said 22nd in our draft.
Speaker 2:It is the weekend of the 26th Shut up. You know when our draft is Shut up 26.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah. So we're basically right at that one month mark almost huh.
Speaker 2:So how many times when you ask when's the draft, Do you actually know when the draft is?
Speaker 1:Are you just Well, I kind of know what it is. I just need to make sure because I don't want to, like, get the wrong date, which you know I do. Sometimes I mix numbers up or get to put the wrong date down. So I'm just making 100% sure before I make a mistake, because usually when I'm asking when's the draft, it's because I'm looking at purchasing hotels, right, right, okay. So I just want to make sure I got the right date, so I don't make a mistake.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which you. You a Dougie and did a great job of getting some hotel rooms, the suites and stuff like that. So kudos to Dougie, Yep.
Speaker 1:Kudos to Dougie. We're going to be in the grand Sierra and we're going to be in the big suites. It'll be sweet. So let's recap of what we had from last year. Hey, can you remind me of having a hard time remembering, because it's a while ago? Who was the?
Speaker 2:winner. I think it's some dirtbag named Piss ailed, pissale, pissale, pissale, pissale. I think his name is Pissale. I think that's his name. Yeah, I'm a little close. Yeah, I think the the great San Francisco 49ers Triant and what is you know it was the weirdest fantasy football weekend and it had to be on a championship weekend of all time. With the tragedy of Lamar. This is his last name, Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:No Lamar For guys. Ah, it's not me with the Buffalo Bills player, oh yeah, the defensive player.
Speaker 1:Like, actually it's hurt. I don't remember what they were playing, right?
Speaker 2:now, so that that that put up Paul the right thing. Everybody wasn't sure exactly what to do. We had games in progress. Your game was like 92 to 81. He stole the bills, defense goings. One of those things were you know, you never know things. You go with the way I mean the bills going to run back a touchdown or something. You know you never, you never know. So so yeah. So we ended up just a settlement like gentlemen, I believe we, we gave you the finances. It was if you said, if you wanted to send something to Mikey, you could do that, and I'm not going to ask if you did. So that's, that's between you guys. But still, another great fantasy football season, you know. Great job everybody. And I'm sorry about the the North cow wine slingers. Fortunately they came in last place. And, mr Monk, get that, get that checkbook ready.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, and just so you guys know, it was a really difficult situation where we weren't quite sure what to do. We were thinking about rolling with it. I actually suggested just we just roll with the defense for the next week, and I actually got vetoed on that one. And then the buck, the bill's defense court, like I think on the first play, got a touch down and I and just I think we had two touchdowns in that next game and would have put Mike ahead of if we had done that, but we didn't.
Speaker 1:I have not sent Mike money. I haven't talked to Mike since the beginning of the thing, but I think I think what you and I talked about and I think we're we're going to more head with is and we can talk about that for a minute is an actual fantasy football trophy which we've never had before, and I'll think of maybe allocating some of the funds for something like that. The trick is like what kind of trophy would we really want to get for fantasy football? For 30 plus years that we've been doing that, we haven't done once.
Speaker 2:So what do we get? I think probably it'd be good to get something with like a plaque type thing so we could actually put the winners by year. I think that would be a cool thing to do if we can figure out how to do that. And then, of course, room to have to grow for however many more years. So I think that is something I'd like to see as kind of mandatory, because I think it's kind of cool. But again, that's a lot of text and space and we get these at a plaque or something else. That gets a little tricky. So that would be one of my requirements.
Speaker 1:My goal. What I would love to have is something exactly like what you're talking about, but also have like chalice that you can drink from. Oh yeah, oh yeah, so you can be drinking as a champion. You know, and you know, beer made of senses coming from my funds, say the crystal trophy.
Speaker 2:Well, and if we couldn't do both things, we could always consider doing two things. You know, it's like okay, we have the plaque with every name and then we have like just maybe a little more basic cup or something, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Championship cup or in the aqua trophy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we have options.
Speaker 1:Okay, I like the way that you think about these things. So, just for our listeners, what does the last place person have to do?
Speaker 2:The last place person has to buy drinks for the commissioner at the draft. You know it's just a lot of drinks, buy drinks. So, man come a thirsty guy. So be ready.
Speaker 1:And just so you guys know, the original punishment for being in last place was to become the commissioner. But every time someone becomes the last place, they don't want to do it, and so it's become Scott's kind of gig now. And to compensate for Scott for doing the commissioner of the league for how many of you have been doing a row? You think about 10?.
Speaker 2:I think I took it over Doug like five, six years ago. Give or take.
Speaker 1:So and so the compensation is to make sure that you're well-hygiened during the draft.
Speaker 2:Absolutely so. Yeah, so good for Monk and we'll see how things go. We'll see if he tries to dry-hump the other robot again. That's would be a or. Maybe they'll pass things up and get back together again. We'll see.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, he wasn't the only one doing it, though that's the thing we gotta remember. He's the only one that got in trouble for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think the other day was doing anything, but of course he always looked. He always seems like he's guilty. So yeah, he always did. What, what do you mean?
Speaker 1:What are you doing? So we're coming into our 2021, 2023, 24 year for Fantasy Football, and usually we don't have too many world changes In fact, I don't know, can't remember any significant change that we've had in a while but this year we have four or five proposals.
Speaker 2:And that's what we decided when we went to like, when we decided to finally go to decimal points. That was one of the big ones, probably.
Speaker 1:Was that?
Speaker 2:sorry, then we went to the decimal points. Yeah, decimal points, yes, that was a big one, I thought there was something else that year as well too, but I remember decimal points. And then there was something else that we did, but I don't remember now.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, we went to PTR at one point, so then that was we did at the same time.
Speaker 2:It was PTR and then Android. We had those two. Those were the two big things. I think that was like two years ago we voted that in, if I remember right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we really have. Our league has pretty much been standard for a very long time Went to PTR but we haven't had a lot of influxes of changes in what we've done for scoring or for expansion or consolidating or anything like that. But this year we do have some things. You want to start us off? What do we got?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we got to. The first real goal proposal is to shift from one point to point five per reception. So we were just talking about that change two years ago. You know there's a you know, either keep it at one or change it to half point. I think the rationale for that is that it the one point puts a little bit more of a slant towards the receivers and the running backs that catch a lot of passes. So the thought is that it brings balance back a little bit more, and you know that the points get a little bit more comparable between wide receiver and running back. Otherwise we'd get a little bit more of a gap of running wide receivers scoring more points. So so it seems like a good proposal, you know, from my perspective. But how do you? What do you? How do you think?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, if you look at the proposal and what his logic is, like you said, it's sound logic in terms of, like, trying to bring more value into the running back position and you know maybe you know half point to a point, I don't know I mean, definitely make a difference in the scoring and how you evaluate players. It's going to make more running back become more important. That could be a good thing about, depending on how you look at stuff. On the flip side, though, the NFL become a passing lead and not to call running backs obsolete, because they're not Very important in both football and in fantasy football but the release on passing and you know, fantasy football might need to reflect that as well, and keeping it at a full point might be able to be a way to reflect that it gives it an opportunity to get some players that might not get too many points. You'll be able to score a little bit more. It opens up the field to having more players that might be able to be productive players for you. You know, wide receiver three, even a running back three or something like that that you might be able to be able to plug and play during a buy leak, when you don't have much to go. Half point would kind of shrink that total a little bit.
Speaker 1:And with the running backs and my kind of negative side on this thing, you kind of propose a lot of positives. I'm trying to give something negative here. I think the negative side of that is also with the running backs. It gave value to the running backs, so they're past catching running backs. And you look at the a lot of the drafts that they're doing nowadays, or regular NFL drafts, are picking running backs that can catch the ball. And why is that? Because that's becoming more and more important for running back, not just to run between the tackle, but it'll be able to catch the ball, and so that actually gives some of these guys some points. And with running back, with committees now especially, it's going to give those third down backs a chance to be able to get some points that you can account for, or at least try to account for, versus not. And so on the flip side I would say the negative is like okay, if we go to 0.5, it actually might dilute the scoring possibilities and player productivity that we can draw from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you, lot of these. There's almost a new position in NFL that's OW, it's an offensive weapon, and so I mean the Debo Saniel is an offensive weapon, that the kind of they drafted for the Lions offensive weapon. And there's other examples around the league of like, these guys can do a little bit of both. They'll go out as a wide receiver. You know they do running back, you know they'll catch a lot of passes out of the backfield. So, and I agree with you, I mean, if you look at the salaries, you know clearly the highest played players now are wide receivers. You know, look at the contract with Bonte, adams and guys like that. I mean they.
Speaker 2:And you see guys like Dalvin Cook who are just struggling to get back soccer on Barkley or just kind of struggling to get $10 million a year, $12 million a year. So your emphasis on wide receivers is correct and you know, it's one of the reasons why, when we were talking about quarterbacks, it was so appealing when we went from four to six points. It was appealing because, like, hey, quarterback is the most important position on the field. It's definitely that and I think that was a rationale there and you could, as you kind of made the point kind of the contrary point is like yeah, wide receivers are very important and it's reflective in the salaries that go around around the league.
Speaker 1:And as it's reflected how. If you look at the drafts nowadays, the NFL drafts, like before, like running backs were going, you know, right next to the quarterbacks. Now we did have a couple of running backs going in the first round this year, but you don't see, by and large, too many running backs going in the first round anymore, Even in the second. You're looking to see them drop in third, fourth round, where people are picking them up because that's, or teams are picking them up because their lack of better terms not as valuable anymore, and even though they are, but a lot of teams are. What's really is happening? A lot of teams are going to running back by committees and having multiple running backs that they can do multiple things with and change up the scenarios. But you don't, the days of having the Cowbell running back aren't over, but they're just a lot more diluted than we used to.
Speaker 2:Absolutely absolutely so. That's, that's proposal number one. So you know we'll, we'll see it, and I guess maybe one of the things we need to talk about is like when do we want to finalize? I mean, I guess we maybe leave it a few for, you know, a few more days to see if there's any other proposals that are out there, and then we cut it off at a certain date and then we say, okay, everybody vote and you'll get a week, but we can maybe talk about that at the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, some possibility that we might be able to come up with? Okay, I'll do this one and I'll do the proponent for this one. How about that? Maybe you can give the negative side. Proposal two is also coming from Doug Johnson.
Speaker 1:Proposals two says we should add a superflex position and ditch the kicker. In our proposal I kind of modified it a little bit by saying hey, do we want to like? What part of this do we really want? Do you want to add a super flex and ditch the kicker, or do you just want to add a super flex and not just a kicker? And so you know, I gave a few options within our proposal sheet here, but the the just of it is we want to add a super flex, and what a super flex would be was being able to put anybody in a flex position, putting in a second quarterback, and Doug's thought process on that is that the quarterback is one of the most important positions on the field and this will allow us to be able to reflect that. I think on the positive side, what we'll be able to do with that is we'd be able to expand the draft capital on quarterbacks and so like no longer would a team maybe have one to two quarterbacks in the roster, but that might not be good enough. You might have, like, roster one quarterback and maybe put in someone that has high ceiling but might be complete done, where you're just rostering one or rostered, hopefully, for a bi week, or doing something like that. This will allow us to actually really have to think about the quarterback position from a different perspective too. So like if you didn't get a top tier quarterback, you know, as your first quarterback, you better have a couple of solid ones. Now no longer could you get by with like a direct car on your roster and but you know, great team for the rest of the thing, you have direct car and say, you know Smith, I don't know, but you know pretty decent, I guess. But assuming that if he regresses, which I think you will, if you just have two average quarterbacks, that could be very difficult. So it's got to add a new element to the league that you'd have to actually think about as you're doing your draft proposal, and it's going to add increased value to the quarterback position, which is, as you were saying earlier, one of the most important positions on the field. And so I think this word, doug, is coming from.
Speaker 1:Kickers, as we also described, is really kind of hit and miss, no matter what. I think we've all lost a game or two or one. A game or two based on a kicker just excelling or having like a 20 to 30 point a game. But you just never account for something. You never know what you're going to get from a kicker any week. There's no rhyme or reason for it. There's no skill to it. It's complete luck as to when you're going to get a hit on a kicker. I think that proponent Lee, that you know as a proponent of it, are you in the proponent side of it. I think that would be the two biggest arguments for it.
Speaker 2:Gotcha, gotcha. So I, so I've experienced in this, I played in a, my league is a two quarterback lead. It will just super flex, which and of course it is very rare not to have a quarterback and your super flex that that something must have gone horribly wrong for some reason. You can't, you can't put a second quarterback there and that's that's a 12 team like. So you think there's, there's, there's 32 starting quarterbacks, that's, that's 24 you got, you got eight left. So I definitely, when you have the, the, the two quarterbacks that you, their, their value, likely will open the draft because, again, if you, if you're putting a wide receiver or you know what, any other position player in there, they're not going to score generally as much as a quarterback. This is not generally going to happen. So you get, you know, probably good, I don't know, there's probably some stats out there, but probably 48 points for eight points more value or so, having that had that quarterback in there.
Speaker 1:Well, especially when you get towards, like looking at your second quarterback versus a third wide receiver three, or running back through even for, like you know, you're going to get more consistent value for the quarterback. You're going to get points right, right, exactly, exactly so.
Speaker 2:So it definitely. I mean, as soon as you had that second flex, the super flex it's, it's pretty much automatically you're going to put a, put a, put a quarterback in that spot. So to me, the values you know, there's a kind of a dearth of wide receivers and running backs that you could put in there. There's a much limited number of quarterbacks. You're coming drawing from a much smaller pool, so it makes it really difficult and like, if you get, you get screwed on the quarterbacks, you're really at a disadvantage where you know, at least with wide receivers and running backs, you know there's, there's always going to be somebody that pops any other given week. You know maybe multiple players, you know somebody gets into the running back position. Now you got, now you got hope. So I think the super flex, I think the kind of that, it kind of drains that pool of players that you can put in, that, put in that position and to me it maybe just slightly over emphasize as the quarterback position Kicker hey, man, kickers win championships, that's what they do.
Speaker 2:We've had kicker since day one. There are an offensive player, you know that, that scores points. You know we have. Any player that scores points is on a roster, has been on a roster. Yeah, we don't put offensive lineman on there. We don't put punches on there because they don't score points. So kicker should be there because they are part of the system of scoring points for NFL teams.
Speaker 1:Awesome, awesome. I like her for fun. I agree with you on what you have to say on that. There's a lot of good arguments with that. You know I'm not my only. I guess my only negative really that the ad on that would be how many teams have to put about something you know on the field at any time? How many decent ones? Yeah, well, at the same time no one. Well, I should, I should replace that. Sometimes there's a trick play, but it's very seldom you see two quarterbacks on the field Any one time. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not a, it's not a ton, so but I mean, it's definitely a strategy around it and it'd be interesting to see, if we did do it, how that would work with With an oxy style. But again, I gotta think it started adding the values up a little bit more. That would be interesting because, yeah, you still see running backs going for 50, 70 bucks and I'm like during the, during the action.
Speaker 1:So now, now, you got a, you got to re-emphasize and which is the pro you got to re-emphasize to realize I gotta say some money for another quarterback. I gotta have at least one good quarterback, if not to a decent, two decent ones, and he no longer the day can you stash a quarterback hoping that they would have like Quinn Richardson might be a perfect candidate, like if I was to draft him. I better have it like my homes or something like that, because then I can, really I could just roll the dice on someone. But if you're having two quarterbacks you can't roll the dice like that. We could, but you probably want something more consistently for your second quarterback. So I'm a little more on the average side that you know you're gonna get the points for and it does bring that a unique element to it and adds more to the strategy. Part of the panels football.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, exactly so. So I'm reading the Rembryner proposed doing three again. So I so I thought, doug, I thought he had said His first was it was super flex and ditch the kicker, and then is that caviar's, okay, we don't get, there's just a next rule. And if that rule doesn't go into effect on, the next rule would be Just add the super flex. I thought that's what he, what he wanted.
Speaker 1:Oh, you just want to. I thought he wanted to. Maybe if you don't want the super flex, just do it. A third flex position.
Speaker 2:No, no, I think he, I think he would give up on the kicker and I think he, I think he wanted the super flex more than he wanted the ditch a kicker. Okay, okay. And I think to me it's just still two rules where you just say, hey, the first one is okay, yeah, do you want super flex and ditch kicker? Yes, no. And then the second one would be like okay, do you just want super flex? And this rule would be null of the whatever, the first one already.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and proposal to the way I kind of I put it in was Should we add a super flex position, ditch a kicker? And there's four options add a super flex and ditch a kicker. Don't ever stick the super flex but ditch kicker as super flex only. Or don't add super flex and keep kicker, then, like it was last year, there could be another wild variant which is like could we?
Speaker 2:we add a super flex and an extra flex, but that would be a bit same that we got. Keep Keep the flex position that it is and just add the super flex. Yeah, yeah it's not clear.
Speaker 1:I can put that as the option, that for sure right, because it does not necessarily.
Speaker 2:I don't think the idea is not necessarily added. It's like this the flex becomes the super flex. I think it's Doug's idea of it. I kind of like the idea, potentially, of just adding super flexes, of extra flex.
Speaker 1:I mean I have that option there because, like I interpreted it as like we're gonna ditch the kicker position and put this super flex in.
Speaker 2:That could be it too. Okay, I could see that, but either way, I would probably take that in that way too.
Speaker 1:actually, now that you said it that way, you know, when it's me and it's motto, and I'll think it's really a big difference. And well, we'll clarify, we'll clarify.
Speaker 2:So I think we kind of talked about both two and three, but Already just talking about the super flex and the kickers. Yeah, I like the idea of an add another, another flex. I kind of like the idea of another flex for some reason. More players, potentially more fun, but then that might impact another rule code that we're gonna talk about. Talk about next.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I hate to say, but, like you know, as I put the rules together, you'd read a little title top like basically we're gonna re-vote all this if the last proposal is Accepted, because we could either do that for 2023 or 2024. Maybe we'll start there, maybe we'll go there just jump down real quick, if you don't mind. That proposal is to expand the league to 12 teams, and Weekend there was some talk about seemed like we have the momentum to go into it to 2024, 25 year. But then some people are saying why don't we just do it now? And so there's a proposal out there for expanding the 12 teams this year, which would basically mean we need to re-vote on everything that we just voted for because we change everything, or go to 2024 and expand the 12 teams. Do you want to give the the proponent-ness of that argument for 2023 or 2021?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to get two clarifications out there first. Okay, so the first one is the person that said want to just do it now is the same person who bitched in the text earlier about doing it and screwing them because they have a good team. So that was totally compatible with this year. So the second thing is I remember you, you have selective amnesia, like I remember like, oh come on, we got to get 12 people, we got to get this other person in and Dave is, we'll do all we got to get to?
Speaker 1:No, I remember.
Speaker 2:You were really with him, like, and you're like oh, what are you talking about? Like, you left me hanging, you left me hanging.
Speaker 1:Well, it's one thing to say, hey, I got some friends that will be interested in it, and then to go to like, hey, you got to, or this guy in because, like I got to, you know, make sure that that something that we really want to do. It was one thing when you're having beers and saying, oh, that'd be fun, and then actual another thing having that conversation with the person saying, okay, we're opening it up, do you want to do it? And I haven't had that conversation, so yeah.
Speaker 2:And I'm going to be. I'm going to be really transparent. I don't I actually don't necessarily care whether we go 10 or 12. I mean that I'm if we went 12, that's great. If we stayed at 10, I'm great too. I just don't know. You know where I'm at, but I think the idea is that we expanded the 12.
Speaker 2:I think the reason for waiting was the year again was to kind of reward those people who did good last, last year, that built these good rosters, and let's see them at least reap the benefits of that one more year Attribute. It's a bit too harsh to say, oh, we're going to do it like right now, rip off the bandaid and go for it. I think the second thing that and I think you brought this up was that, hey, maybe we can have them come. You know, like we can invite them to the draft this year and they could come and check it out, see what it's all about, see if it's something for them and see if it's something that they really want to do, and you get cold feet. Then we just say, okay, well, the rosters are still.
Speaker 1:You know, we just go with a regular 10, the following year Exactly, and I think that might be the best way to go in this situation. What are the roles that we have? Come back to some of these roles, maybe in 2024, and see if we want to change them as well as we possibly expanded to 2020 and 2024, which seems like we have a moment to do it. Dave's got a buddy, Dean. I think it would be an amazing, and I got a couple buddies here, one in particular I think it would be amazing, but I just got to make sure that he would be willing and wanting to do it. So that would be the big crux of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. You know, well, you are one for one. As far as bringing people in the league, chris, no, no one for one.
Speaker 1:For one, aren't you one for one? I found like three people in the league, but well, I guess two are still there. Oh, that's right, you had that, matt guy.
Speaker 2:Matt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, matt, was there for a bit my two brother-in-law's now so you could. Oh, I'll try. You did the same for him, so I guess I have two for three.
Speaker 2:Two for three. Okay, I'm thinking one for three, but that's okay, just two for three.
Speaker 1:I mean look at these rule proposals that we got to discuss because one of the people I brought in all about the rules.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I think more people, more fun. Like I said, I just want to throw it out there. Like I said, people may be really interested, but we kind of take the cool approach and I mean we could throw out there for 2023, but I mean that was not my proposal.
Speaker 1:No, I, just, on a selfish point of view, I agree with you. I think 2023 would be a little bit of a rush to completely redo everything. If we know, if we go, we know going to 2024, that we're going to reset everything, then you can draft the coordinate. So, instead of picking up a flyer on a third you know a receiver that might be great, the year after next that you might have a stash or an IR guy that you might want to stack, you're not going to do that this year because everyone's going to reset, so it's not going to matter. And so, but just so everyone knows that, if we decided to expand to 2024, I do believe there's momentum, although we need to vote on it that we would just reset the whole league and redraft everybody.
Speaker 2:Tricky thing could be in this like, say, we do the super flex and all of a sudden there's a little more emphasis on quarterback. So you might change your strategy slightly a little bit, you know. But then that might change, you know, if we decide to stay just stick with 10 teams, so there might be a little bit there. That's kind of funky, but I don't think that's the end of the world.
Speaker 1:No, I don't think so either. I don't think so either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we'll see so again. For me, I just like it as like the way I propose it. So the way I you know, we vote to expand the 12 teams in 2020, the 2024, and we invite those people to the draft so they can see what it's about.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I think that's a great idea and that way they can come together, they can save the stands together, they can get involved in the sand. Oh, who's that he wouldn't win that on my enemy? Yes, oh, that was so bad.
Speaker 2:It's actually called the J now stands and they spelled the J and it just looks as bad as it. In fact it's got a blue facade, I guess for the blue-haired people that are in their specials.
Speaker 1:Which is so bad for a couple of our fantasy football. Our bottom-of-the-runk and Ryan of our league were not on it a couple of years ago and had stayed at the Sands and I mean what it is, what it is sometimes. That just happened, but they got the room that stung, that the air conditioning was supposed to be the best one and didn't work. It was just so bad. I felt so bad from that year For guys, for guys.
Speaker 2:So then that brings us to the last rule of code proposal, which is to reduce the sizes from so. Right now we have 18 players. I guess we'll leave the injury reserve out of that. We have 18 players. The proposal is to go to 16 players or keep it the same as this past year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if we decide to go to 16 players, we're at what? Currently 20?
Speaker 2:18 in an IR position 18 IR.
Speaker 1:I see the merit and the thought that the proponent idea from Doug Johnson was making up another proposal was to allow for the free agent market to be a little bit more robust, and I like that idea. It's getting some more competition within each week. You're gonna have to really budget yourself a little bit more, a little better, because you're not gonna have much of a stash in your lineup and your reserves. So you're gonna have the budget a little bit better than you do the free agent auction between each week, because you're going to need to get some players and this way there will actually be players worth even getting, because we wouldn't have each. You take away two. What are we? Two roster spots for 10 teams. You got 20 extra players out there.
Speaker 1:And Doug does make a good point about being like when you're starting to look at for free agencies and there's really nothing out there, it can be a little deflating and you got to pick up somebody that's just kind of you know like maybe a third string running back who did as a third downback on the committee and that's where you got to play in that week. It can be a little deflating, but that would be the opponent aspect of it. You want to cover the negative aspect of expanding or reducing our roster to 16.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you know reducing the roster size, I mean, a lot of the great things about our league is that, is that stashing dash just as a stashing, stashing players, and that's part of the.
Speaker 2:I think that's part of the fun of the league. Not necessarily for everybody, maybe it's for certain people over others, but I think having that kind of stash approach kind of it's kind of fun for a lot of people. I also know, as you mentioned, now you get 20 players in. But again, I was in a full team league for many years now and like if there's still even with that, even with like I think we only have like 14, like so we have a really, really small bench. And even with that it was like still, you're still scraping, scraping the barrel trying to get certain players. So sure you had 20 more players in, but I don't think it's gonna add that much depth, I think, because a lot of what we do on our teams, a lot of those two players are probably guys, were just kind of speculated on anyways like oh you know, let's pick the third string, let's pick up Mason for whatever, for a San Francisco 49ers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's not even close to the start of now, but maybe five weeks from now those guys get hurt and we can put him in. So I think even if you go down to the 16, you're and you put the 20 more players back in, you're still gonna have. It's still gonna look like scrubs out there. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I might be and this is my honest opinion like I might give me more of a opponent for if we expand to 12 teams, but, as apparently with 10 teams, I don't I see a need. What do you have your friend to? I don't disagree with them but at the same time, like I said, stashing his players at the same time is fun, cause that's where you get those jams. Like Justin Jefferson was a stashed player, for him he was literally probably the last player, first person. I would have cut back in the day before I knew he was gonna be good, because the first few weeks of his rookie year he did not have many yards and I'm like, okay, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to keep this guy on the roster. He would have been gone and I wouldn't have won my championship last year without it.
Speaker 1:Man does put some emphasis on like really making sure you know who's available in the draft. It does make more of a focus of having a good draft and a good draft, not I don't know what the plan is really difficult to even say. I mean one of these podcasts we can go. What is a good draft plan? Because I don't know if there really is one because you can go in, and was like I'm gonna go two quarterbacks at the beginning, go high, especially in an auction draft. Like in a snake draft you might be able to get away with it a little bit more, but in an auction draft you just don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you gotta go with the flow of it.
Speaker 1:You gotta go with the flow, but being able to stash those players in the draft and knowing who's available, knowing what you have left, creates more difficulty within the draft and more talent in a good way.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely. So, yeah, so draft better, doug, be part of that group, like Mikey and Kristen and Dale. You know you gotta be. You try to put yourself in that crowd.
Speaker 1:I love Mikey's comment about that. Basically, mike said well, doug, just draft better, be like Kristen and me and God, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you Good times, our brother loves.
Speaker 2:I do agree with you, though, that we do go to the 12 teams, and I would wholeheartedly back to the proposal, and I'm not actually not saying I actually made a vote, yes, for this. I haven't decided yet and I'll honesty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I haven't either, but I'm more leading. That way, I'd probably be a yes in 2024. If it's a ban, I'm probably a no this year.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. So those are the. Maybe the other thing we should consider, maybe just another rule code that I don't know if anything will pop in your head, but maybe we should have a contingency. Okay, we should probably have another contingency game, maybe we just have a contingency for the playoffs, or we could like do it for any game. Whatever we want to do, maybe if we have the, the Mark, the Mark Hamlin, that's what the Mark Hamlin, mark Hamlin. Yeah, you know, if we have another, the Mark.
Speaker 2:Hamlin scenario. Maybe we should come up with some things, Whether it's just to say, hey, this is it. You know, if it happens, whoever the winner at the time, they win it. You know sort of thing. That's a good proposal. Say like, for example something like that happened.
Speaker 1:you go to your bench if it's a bench deep end and you don't have one, you don't get points Like, for example say it happened for your quarterback. You can go to your backup quarterback, but you can put that together. I think that's a good proposal. Yeah, it's like a position player. You go, maybe you go to like the next ranked player or something like that.
Speaker 2:You know like you, you look a little bit at the back of your head. You know like you look a little bit, say, fancy raking, whatever the next ranked guy on there?
Speaker 1:Right, so not just best ball, it's by fantasy raking. Yeah, yeah yeah, so like someone goes off deep on your roster and I thought that's what I want now.
Speaker 2:No, no, it doesn't work. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1:But I mean, it's one of those things.
Speaker 2:It may never happen again. You know it may never happen again, but probably be good to have something in there.
Speaker 1:And you know, the other proposal I'd like I was kicking around is maybe having, instead of a defense, maybe a defensive player. Having an IDP individual defensive player might make it a little bit more challenging and more individualized to be able to who you grab, like Nick Boza or whoever else you want to. Matt Crosby, you know, getting a defense might add a little more strategy to it Because, again, just like kickers, defense are hit or miss. You know we're knowing some defense are going to be better than others, but it might add an extra element to it. But that's just something I was trying to tell.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I might get it. It's like, let's be honest, we don't know the defensive players as well as we should Probably. We know the heck out of every goddamn up and down the roster, wide receiver running back quarterback on a team, but you know we don't know. I mean, we know we know Nick Boza's, a few other guys, but you know it'd be great to do that just to get to know defensive players a little bit more. Yeah well, that's my thought. Yeah, I like that. I think that's a dang dang good thought.
Speaker 1:All right, well, add it to the list, chico. Add it to the list. Okay, so we got two added proposals. We're going to add a strategy that you and I can massage a little bit about what to do in case of a suspension game or, you know, postponed or whatever you want to call it, and then maybe go to a defensive plan.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 2:I love it. All righty, I will put it together and I just, you know, thank people for throwing out some of those proposals. I think most of them came from Dougie, but they came from Doug and me, I think, for the most part. But yeah and yeah, when you got, when you vote on these things, don't worry about it. If you like it and want to do it, go for it. If you're like, hey, I want to keep it the same. No hard feelings of that as well too. So let's be honest, the league is great right now. The league is fun. I have fun every single week. We do this. So even if we kept the thing to sing, it's fun. But we're also trying to like. We're also always trying to improve things a little bit and make it better.
Speaker 1:So Exactly exactly, and that's all we're trying to do is have fun. That's all we ever do have, whether we any of these rules make it or not not going to change the fun aspect of it. We're going to have fun with guys and so a lot of fun either way. We're just going to make it kind of make it some more challenging versus not challenging, or more fun or more strategy. We'll forget these things out. The one question I do have for you all is when do you want to set a deadline for your proposals, like voting?
Speaker 2:essentially, let's maybe say by the 25th we'll have the rule codes refined, like if there's anything else that we're missing, let's have that by, I say, next Tuesday. And then maybe let's say vote by August 1st, which is about a week after.
Speaker 1:That'll be good to me. Then we can tell you the votes. Have a podcast about the draft coming up. We'll go from there. Sweet Awesome. All right, my friend, I think that's it for me. How about you?
Speaker 2:I'm good and I think maybe just to kind of tease, hopefully we can get into maybe one or two of these in podcasts in between and for the season, Of course, likely we'll. Maybe the next one we'll focus on the rosters and start talking about possible keepers and we'll also talk about pre-draft shenanigans. Sounds good to me.
Speaker 1:All right, my friend, we're signing off here Slinging Sammy's Penetrate Football podcast. I'm Chris and you are.
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