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- Leveraging the emotional motivation post break-ups
- How to navigate the world of dating in 2024
- What it took to go from 300 to 100,000 followers in 30 days on Instagram
- Running and investing in online business as a 22 y/o entrepreneur
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Chris and I sat down recently to discuss:
- Growing a social media platform
- Leveraging the emotional motivation post break-ups
- How to navigate the world of dating in 2024
- What it took to go from 300 to 100,000 followers in 30 days on Instagram
- Running and investing in online business as a 22 y/o entrepreneur
You can follow Chris on his Instagram here: https://www.instagram.com/morechrisgriffin/
If you liked this episode please consider subscribing as it's the best way to support our show.
Access my coaching here: https://www.coreyboutwell.com/sts
FREE Mindset Webinar: https://www.coreyboutwell.com/mindsetupgrade
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Make sure you listen to the podcasts all the way through to get your discount code.
It makes me feel gross bro Entrepreneurship degree. All right, chris. Thanks so much for coming on to the podcast, mate appreciate being here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm super pumped to get into this one I wanted to talk to you a little bit about because we're voice noting in regards to you leaving your friendship circle when you were like the it guy in footy clubs and all that stuff, and you separated yourself and then started winning and having a much more fulfilling life in a much more authentic way, because you can see that come across in all of your content. So I just want to hear about that journey, of how you did it.
Speaker 2:I feel like it's not just one moment, though, right, there was one moment that, right Like you, there was one moment that changed it all for me. But friend groups change nonstop. I don't know if it's just me, but I struggle to hold like a good. I just I just end up finding new friends, I think because we're all growing so much and it might not be in the same way. We were just growing in our own different ways. We kind of move around and we change friend groups. But the one that changed dramatically was grade 12. Uh, I was just this cool kid in school playing footy what school, what suburb?
Speaker 2:noah high yeah just in in the gold coast here and I was just this cool kid uh, you know it was. Everything was cool, run a market school, played footy but well, I was kind of like a bit lost. I wasn't going to uni, I didn't know what I wanted. I'd been exposed to money by some friends. Like one of my best friends, his family was really wealthy and so I was like I want that life.
Speaker 1:What'd they do?
Speaker 2:He was just in like trading and a bunch of different stuff, but like he had like Ferraris and a nice car and I'd live there a lot of the time. Name was harry and um and I was exposed to this but I didn't really know what was happening. I think that was. It's funny when I look at friends right and I look at the progression, I feel like every single friend and friend group like served their own purpose to help me get to where I was. And before I met harry it was I was hanging out with this guy who just he did like we did weird stuff and like egged cars and we did all this stupid shit, yeah, and then um and then I met Harry and all of a sudden, like we were training hard and I was exposed to this wealth, but it wasn't like.
Speaker 2:It wasn't like this amazing wealth in the sense that, like I knew, he wasn't like a mentor for me and it wasn't like this thing, it was just kind of like okay, you can actually make money, that's a thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what was your family? Like, just normal, just like normal middle class?
Speaker 2:Yeah, didn't really. Yeah, not too much money at all. Yeah, I lived in Ashmore, just suburbia. But then where I'm getting at with this is I was doing this stuff. I was playing footy. I was a little bit lost, I wanted more, but I didn't know what that was. And then I kept getting injured in footy.
Speaker 2:And when I was in rehab I started hanging out with this guy, sam, my best mate, and he exposed me to all the stuff he was doing. He was learning about Amazon, he was telling me about eric at the time poniatowski was making like 10 grand a month selling fruit bowls and I was going, what is going on? And literally that day from that, sam told me to go get this book. Rich dad, poor dad and I went to the bookstore, got the book and we would meet up every week and, um, have coffee. I didn't even like coffee at the time and but we'd have coffee and like, reflect on the book and the lessons. And then Sam and I just clicked and overnight, like all the motivation just changed from being this cool guy to just focusing on me and growing me and like start of grade 12 to the end of grade 12, quite literally, a different person. Like it was crazy, but it was very challenging and, as I said to you, like I lost all my friends.
Speaker 1:No one answered my calls, everyone thought I was like this mr business guy and they took the piss, especially as a kid too because, like I don't know too many people only a couple people that I know that started or even thought of creating businesses in year 12. Like might be a little bit different now, but like I'm 31 and I remember like that wasn't a thing. The only person I knew had a business like was my dad and he was some stressed out, panicked, like like overweight guy. That was just like all the time and it was like fuck that. You know why would we even want this? So, like I want to know like what made you want it and what was, like the like, the turning point for you when you're like you know what I'm actually gonna create and start a business. Was it the desire for money? Was it the desire for freedom at the start? What, like what was that for you?
Speaker 2:it was.
Speaker 2:It was, I was kind of running away from a life that I didn't want to live like, I didn't want a mediocre life, and I know the next thing to that is but why? Because? But? But for me, I was kind of I grew up in in ellie beach in the whitsundays and what I found was there was nothing going on there and my parents actually took me out and moved me to the gold coast at a perfect time, like when I was 12, and when I moved, all of those guys like just got into like drugs and there's nothing to do in ellie beach. You go and fish and that's about it, and drink beers, and so they all got swept up into that and I moved to the gold coast and I was exposed to all this more opportunity. And so for me in the back of my mind I go okay, all these people that didn't get exposed to that were kind of living this. They've all just gone to shit and they're all doing the trade work and they don't really like this stuff. And I moved to the gold coast and I was, um, living this different life and they're like, wow, that's amazing. But then I go and meet like harry and I see them have these really nice cars and all this stuff and I go I actually want that.
Speaker 2:And then, at the same time with all of that happening, there was dramas happening with family, different like money problems, divorces, all this stuff. And I go, when I break down all of the reasons as to why those problems are happening, it always came down to money. Oh, why are you divorced? Oh, I didn't spend enough time with my wife. Okay, why not? Oh, because I was working so hard to to so I could pay for the family to live. I was like, okay, but by doing so you're not spending any quality time with them. And then you're not getting the money's pointless because now you've ruined the relationship. And then it was all coming down to money. And so I was like, okay, so money is so important, let's learn about that. And so I was just exposed.
Speaker 2:But I didn't really know where to start. And that's when, when I met Sam, he told me a bit about what he's doing and all of my focus, focus. I was ready for something. I just needed my, my scope to be broadened a bit. And it got broadened just enough for me to have like like a little lick of the ice cream and I went, okay, I'm all in. When I quite literally changed, like, if you ask anyone in that time, different person, sam and I were getting up 3 30 am. We're going to the meeting at the gym in burley. I was in ashford, 20 minute drive. I'd meet there at 4 15, do these workouts and then sam had dropped out of school. He would go to his job and I would then go to school. After this whole morning routine that we would do, and we just started like growing, growing, growing, growing. Um, that's what really kick-started that journey for me dude, that is sick.
Speaker 1:So then how did you convert? Because I remember we were like okay, so from my understanding, a lot of people that have been in the position could make money the main thing and they're like okay, money, money, money, money. I need to make money, I want this lifestyle. I'm running away from whatever's happening. What was like the moment for you? Because I noticed, like recently, like in a large amount of followers and it was like quick, right, it just went woof and growth and it was like fantastic to see and my reflection of you is is like through on that journey, somewhere you got like really heart focused and you've started focusing on like how can I make this?
Speaker 1:you know, come from here, and then that change for you is what made everything happen. But all the opportunities that are coming now, like left right, and center opportunity, center opportunity, opportunity, opportunity.
Speaker 2:Right, so I want to know about that. Yeah, money there's been an emphasis on helping people actually since since about 12 months after all that time happened in school um, being very, very money driven. I thought I was going to be like a billionaire at 20. Like it was crazy.
Speaker 2:Like sam and I were like sitting in our studio apartment sharing a bed, with a merged bank account and no money, trying to figure out how rent was going to be paid, but we had all our walls were whiteboards and and we like we're just like starting this software company right, getting these investors on board way too prematurely. But like we were just like entrenched in this thing and we're like, oh yeah, like we're doing all these projections, like, yeah, we'll be, it'll be worth 100 million in two years and we'll exit for 500 mil by 20 and we'll be set for life. Fuck, if it was that we were thinking in our head like we'll go get our head. Fuck, is it this easy? Like surely that this easy that you have a few things where it just like fucks up here. Can I swear this?
Speaker 1:oh yeah bro like it.
Speaker 2:You'd have things where it just messes up. Here you get slammed in your face, here you get tested a bit here and then you kind of go okay, this business that we've spent the last 12 months which was a long time for us at the time we're still growing, we're still 18 years old it's like this business that we thought was going to be our thing, that was going to set up our family, that like was going to set us up for life. We'll be on this boat in the Palmas, like celebrating World War XX. All of a sudden it's like okay, there's a lot of flaws in this business, there's a lot of things we didn't know. We were naive, to say the least. And when we have to walk into that boardroom of investors and tell them they're hanging up the boots and we've lost all your money, like that's a pretty hard conversation to have at an 18 year old how did you go?
Speaker 2:yeah, well, I mean, we got slaughtered by these and they, they taught us a lesson. It was amazing. But coming back to the reason I went on, that tangent is just to say how money-driven we were.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It was a big, big. Thing.
Speaker 1:Good, I love it.
Speaker 2:And it's not a bad thing to be money-driven? I don't think. No, not at all. But I think when you can truly impact people, you get a new perspective on life and you go what actually matters. And that's kind of where that happened for me when the socials blocked. But what happened was I got 12 months down the line. We had this business. It was so going well from the outside, like $800,000 valuation at 18. Like I had this company that was booming, with two guys We'd living in Sydney in lockdown and everyone else is lost in their little suburbia homes in terms of our friends. But what I had noticed was I got so much hate and slack from people in school because I wasn't going to uni and everyone's like what are you going to do, mate? Become a tradie and I was so focused on business and they didn't understand it. But they all paid me out a year, came down the line. What would they say?
Speaker 2:just out of curiosity they're were like oh, Mr Businessman, like well, come on, mate, like be real with yourself, like all this sort of stuff, Not to mention that.
Speaker 1:but like they wouldn't answer my calls, they wouldn't hang out with me, nothing, so tell me a story then, because I want to know about this, like in terms of you, because I want to know about the darkness, a little bit of like when you wanted to hang out with a friend or there's someone that was there, and they just like full rejected. You have, you got a story weren't there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like they just.
Speaker 1:I went from being the coolest kid I won the jock award, yeah at school yeah, and they wouldn't answer my calls, they wouldn't hang out so so you were like calling your friends to hang out with them on the weekend, or something like that and there and there was nothing, and so I had Sam.
Speaker 2:It was just Sam and I really, and because Sam was like this weird guy at footy that no one really liked, he was the one that asked all the questions and I was this cool guy. I probably picked on Sam a fair bit. I was like no one likes this guy right, he was weird, but the thing is with. That is like, when I started hanging out with sam, all of the cool people were like you're hanging out with sam, what are you doing? But I was in my mind going, oh my god, like he's crushing it. You like, you guys need to get out of your own world for a little bit and understand what's going on here and so. But then what happened was sam uh, like a few months later, after we started becoming best mates, moved to sydney, got a job opportunity in sydney. I was still on the gold coast and didn't have sam, and so it was like no one would answer my calls. I was lonely, I was questioning what I was doing, but like, but I was like I just got to keep doing it. I got. Nothing else is serving me right now. So, yeah, but what I want to go to.
Speaker 2:I want to finish this story about where the desire to make an impact and help people came in. And 12 months down the line, after I'd left school and I had this company and all this stuff was happening, all this opportunity was going on. There was all this excitement. What I noticed was there was only one of my friends that was still in uni 12 months after school. Everyone had dropped out or deferred. There was one left and he followed through and became a nurse. Everyone else had dropped out or deferred their uni degree and I was sitting here I'm going hang on a second. They're all coming to me asking for advice now that they've dropped out of their degree and they're lost and they don't know what to do. But 12 months ago I was the dropkick and I was the loser for not going to uni and this is when this alarm bell went off in my mind. I was like there's something extremely flawed with the system and extremely flawed, and I want to help people bridge that gap from school to the real world, because I went through this hard phase. It was extremely hard. No, bridge that gap from school to the real world, because I went through this hard phase. It was extremely hard. No one would answer my calls, I was lonely. But now they come to me for advice a typical story and I thought we need to help this.
Speaker 2:So the page more chris griffin used to be called primed university and it was called prime university was priming these kids to go from school to the real world. I was helping them bridge gap and I would post content. I posted like over 100 videos under Prime University about like business and all this sorts of stuff before I rebranded it and the socials took off and took it seriously. So the desire to help has been there for a while. It's extremely enhanced now because when you get stopped on the street and you say you've saved someone, and they say you've saved their life or you've changed their life, and you get all these messages, you kind of realise that that gives me more fuel than any money could ever make me. And so then you go okay, I just need to do more of that and the money will come. So, yeah, that's kind of when that pivot happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what was the come up for it? What was going on in your world when it really started to scale Heartbreak? I fucking love that bro. I was broken dude.
Speaker 2:So when it really started taking off. So do you know Lewis Mocker? Yes, yeah, yeah. So I was investing into his mentor at one-on-one Voxer Access and I was working in sales for an alcohol company Fisher's Alcohol Company, hard fizz and I had a girlfriend and I thought she was the one. I didn't even believe girls like this existed. And anyway, my girlfriend broke up with me in May last year and she broke up with me and then a week later I quit the job and so it was the end of May and it was basically like I think it was like the 20th of May or something I thought scrap this.
Speaker 2:I was supposed to go to Bali with my girlfriend. A day before I'd, I changed and booked a flight to thailand by myself and because I had, I had a negative bank account, a credit card with no money on it because I was in, I started, I had a new software company I was starting and I invested all my money into that, um with sam again and failed again. But um, but I had a negative bank account, I quit my job that was paying me six figures selling alcohol for fisher. It was the dream, 20 year old's job. Girlfriend had just broken up with me and I, um, I was like fuck, my back's quite literally against the wall, heartbroken, got no money. Let's book a trip to thailand by myself to just like reset and then I'll go back firing because I've got to make something happen. Back is against the wall.
Speaker 2:And then Lewis said to me I set you a challenge For the month of June. I want you to post a video every single day. And my back was against the wall. I was like fucking scrap that I'll do two. So I did two vids a day for the month of June last year and, yeah, I had 300 followers at the start of the month of June last year. And yeah, I had 300 followers at the start of the month and by the end of the month I had over 100,000. And that's when it all just kicked off.
Speaker 1:What were you first posting during that month, do you remember?
Speaker 2:I was posting like relationship content. I was heartbroken and I went seeking all these answers and I think that our biggest teachers are our past self and our past lovers, and I think, going through a heartbreak, you can choose to either be a victim and blame it all on them, or you can take all ownership on it and grow and literally level up as a person. That's what I chose to do and through that I was learning all these lessons and I wanted to share these lessons. So I started posting relationship content and relating to people and quotes and all this stuff and then it just took off.
Speaker 1:What did you learn?
Speaker 2:I learnt so many things, but I think the book that I read, which is probably what everyone should read after a breakup, is the Way of a Superior man.
Speaker 1:I have seen that book transform every guy's life. I swear to God, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And so I read that book straight after the heartbreak and I'm just learning. I'm like, oh my God, the person she was attracted to when we were dating is not the person I am now. I was like, and I came up with this thing and this belief that I think I was pondering on the concept of masculinity and what that looks like and what I thought was cause I was like, okay, was I being too vulnerable with her? And my thought was actually, no, I don't think I was being too vulnerable and and and I don't think it was a bad thing sharing my challenges, but I think what was bad about it was that was at night. The next morning I didn't set an alarm, I didn't get up, get in an ice bath, go train before she'd even woken up. I waited till she woke up and cuddled with her and I was like, okay, I know that's a little thing, but I genuinely think that the true masculinity is the polarity between how deep and vulnerable you can get and how strong you can be. And if you can show this polarity, she goes yeah, you got vulnerable last night, but you didn't give a fuck. The next morning you're up and you're on your grind and you're shocked and all the things that I'm attracted to in you you're doing, and the lesson I learned was I was not the man that when the relationship ended, I was not the man that I was, and so it's like those things that you work so hard.
Speaker 2:I genuinely believe that most of our drive comes from women. Like, if you strip away women, I could probably unpack anything that you're doing right now and bring it back down to women, and if we'd had no girls in our life, we probably wouldn't do it. And I thought, all those things that we're striving towards, all those characteristics that we're building to attract the dream mother to our children, that's not to attract them, that's to keep them. You can't just stop that. And I think that's what I did. I think I got complacent. I think I I was like okay, I've found the one. I didn't think people like this existed, I've got it. That's my job done. It's like no, your job's just starting, yeah, I like that. It's like no, your job is just starting, yeah.
Speaker 1:I like that. It's like most people don't know that the challenge isn't getting the girl, it's always keeping them, because it's like you and her have to die so many times to keep the relationship going. Like even with Chloe and I. It's like we're not the same people we met each other a couple of years ago. We're not the same people that we met each other, like I would say, even a month ago. Right, it's just consistent.
Speaker 1:Like growth, this part of the thing is dying. There's a part of you your shadows here go, die, become someone new and like if you're both committed to that and to working like on getting better, that's how it can make it work. But it's so easy to fall in the trap as guys when you get like down on yourself depression, whatever just comes in out of like what I just call it the temptress of all those little comfort temptations. It's like if you can't resist that in some ways you're talking about and you keep it going for a long period of time, that's what creates the polarization which we want to depolarize, which is really cool. Yeah, it's, it's the polarization which we want to depolarize which is really cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it's, it's massive, but then also at the same same time as well. I think what it does teach you, like heartbreak as well. It teaches you what you love, what you want and what you don't want to, and I think you can get caught up in love and I think you could have loved and attraction yeah and attraction yeah yeah, and and also that's probably another.
Speaker 2:Another thing which is crazy is I probably maybe put her on a pedestal a bit like biggest model she was like one of the biggest models in the country like I probably didn't feel deserving of her I'll never get anyone better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so it's like a mindset sometimes, yeah, yeah and so, but then what happens?
Speaker 2:is you like? You go to this breakup and I remember one of the last things I said to her was like like I'm going all in on me. I was like.
Speaker 2:I was like I'm going all like, like, like I remember I was I remember what I said to her and when we were breaking up, I was like look like the reality is, what I want is for you to be happy and if, if I'm not the right person, then I don't want to be with you. And I basically just said. I just said, look like I can't.
Speaker 1:I was like don't worry about me.
Speaker 2:I'm going to achieve everything I've ever wanted in my life and I can't lie. I wanted you to be a part of that, but only if you want it to be a part. And I was Don't worry about me, I'm all good. If you need me, I'm there to support you on this transitional period. And anyway, the last thing I was like. I was like I'm going all in on me. And then I remember that was the end of May and then by the end of June I had over 100,000 followers and she FaceTimed me. I went and FaceTimed she was like Chris, you weren't so, no, it's cool.
Speaker 2:A lot of lessons.
Speaker 1:I genuinely believe that heartbreak like is a game changer for so many people and, if you let it, and embrace it, like one part of it is like what makes people turn off from making a breakup like destroy them is not owning their shame. So they feel shameful around the breakup. They don't feel good enough. They're like what's wrong with me, something's bad with me, and instead they keep that, instead of owning it being no, there is something wrong with me and it's not me being the best version of myself.
Speaker 2:And now I have to summon the fight and the courage and the bravery to go and take action yeah, and people and this is the thing that's so crazy about some people that come to me with like, oh, she couldn't deal with my dj lifestyle, she couldn't deal with the fact that I was doing this, she couldn't do this, she couldn't do this.
Speaker 2:I was like no, like the reality is her reality is the reality and if you're making her feel a certain way, that's what you're doing like and that that's that's the emotion that you're giving off. And also it's like what are you doing in there when you're blaming this whole breakup on her, like what is the things that you're doing? Because there's no benefit in blaming on her, because then you're basically saying, okay, there's nothing wrong with me, I'm perfect, and you get in another relationship and what?
Speaker 2:happens the same shit and it's like, until you look within, you're not going to grow. And I think using a breakup as fuel to grow is the easiest way to grow because, like, you have this fire burning in you. Like, have you ever trained harder when you fresh out the breakup? Have you ever wanted to work like so hard to level up yourself? Like I don't even care if it's, if it's a negative, feel like if you're using it to prove something to some, to them or to you? Like, fucking, use whatever that is and level up yourself. I think it's so powerful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, relate to me, man. Every time I've succeeded in anything was immediately like big time, any big jumps was after a breakup. Yeah, then you're like, hmm, do I have to have a breakup every single time to make things? Work, she's like no, you do not.
Speaker 2:I just want to put that out there. Definitely do not and look, it sucks. I hate it and I think as well what. What it does is it scars people a bit from getting in relationships, like they don't want to take risks, um, in relationships. And I think what's crazy is like this is even with me now, with friends now, when they get a bit scared, when they're it's getting a bit serious in the relationship because you kind of go like oh, like I'm getting emotionally vulnerable, it's gonna have bit serious in the relationship because you kind of go like oh, like I'm getting emotionally vulnerable, it's going to have to like sacrifice a bit. I'm in my grind phase. I need to grow my business. I can't do both of these at the same time.
Speaker 2:And I go like you take so many risks in your life, with your health, when you're training in the gym, with your business, you take risks. You take risks in every area of your life. But then when it comes to dating and relationships, you shy off. It's like I think like they're gonna be, like it's the most important thing, like they're gonna be the mother to your children, like I think it's the key to your emotional well-being and happiness, and you shy off when it comes to dating. Like, yes, you're gonna be emotionally vulnerable, yes, you're gonna have to sacrifice. Like, yes, it's gonna have you have hard times. It's not gonna be smooth sailing. But what? Like, if not now, fucking when? And like, when do you're gonna do that? And I I think that's the phase I'm in now. It's like I'm not looking for it. I I'm, I'm open to it and I would love to have someone in my life. But, like, if I find someone and they're ticking all the boxes, it'd be shooting myself in the foot not to give it a go, 100%, I agree.
Speaker 1:I always think that, like, regardless of where we're at, we have to be willing to have our heartbreak to have what we want.
Speaker 1:And there's like a polarity. It's like the more you're willing to have your heart broken, the better that your relationship is going to be, because if you're not willing and you're scared, little things show up. Speak on something where you allow them to cross your boundaries, you people please slightly and it's like oh, there's this thing that I'm not happy with in relationship and I don't want it to happen, but I'm not going to tell my partner because if I do, then they're going to be angry at me and then we might separate. Instead of talking to them confrontally, it's like, hey, I don't want this in the relationship and if it continues within the next couple of years, like we're going to have to have a chat because it's something that I don't want. And just being able to express those boundaries, trusting that the other person is going to grow themselves for you, is like the best way to have the relationship grow together which is scary as fuck.
Speaker 2:It's transparency with like yeah, that's an interesting one. Like you need to be willing to to break up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like to the end, like, like I've said, me and chloe have conversations around it all the time. We're like straight to each other's face, so direct, like if this continues and I don't like this we will break up over it eventually. And it's like we're just looking at each other like like it's not as bad when I'm saying it to her, but when she's saying it to me it's like oh, I, oh I got to own this. Like, okay, done, I'm working on it. I'm going to change. I'm going to hire a coach right, I'm going to speak to my friends about it. I'm going to buy a course, I'm going to read the books, I'm going to do the implementations and then watch me grow.
Speaker 2:And then you grow and you're like you would do that, even if you don't agree with her, though.
Speaker 1:No, if she goes against your character.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, then we talk about it. Yeah, so, and we'd have to like, get right, like, like, if it was something that was like completely against my character, we'd have to go right. Right, let's say it was completely against hers and completely against my character, right, and it was like a problem there. The solution is to find compromise, right, if, and if it's something that we both agree on and it's not working, then it's like well, we have to figure something out and we have to talk about that continuously.
Speaker 1:We've we've had moments like that where it's lasted for months and there's been from like, from my end. There's parts that, like I haven't wanted to take responsibility for and then done my own growth and been like that was my ego the whole time. I'll take responsibility for that and it's done the opposite for her as well. And like I remember at one stage in our relationship um, it was quite early on and I was like these are some issues that are highlighting if you want to be in a relationship with me you got to get a coach. So she's had a coach, like a personal development coach, for like two years and she's just been like since you keep coming back to like a coach.
Speaker 2:So do you see that if there's something alarming here, you find an expert in that field, whatever, and get a coach to?
Speaker 1:help. Usually any personal development coach is fine. It's just like the only problems that usually come up in relationship is just someone not knowing enough about themselves so when you say personal development coach, what does that mean?
Speaker 1:so it's like a mindset so you can go see a relationship coach. But what that relationship coach mostly knows is like psychology within relationships and how they work, because they've either worked on themselves and they've learned what it is, they've had clients and they've tried different things and they'll be able to help you specifically in your relationship. Those same transferable skills that happen into a relationship, like some of them are the same that like help people go to the gym. It's just a little bit different because it's themed by relationships. So like if it is a relationship problem, if you're going to go work on like sticking to a diet and a routine gym, you go speak to a personal trainer who's got the mindset behind that. It's like there could be some core trauma wound behind why you're not going to the gym and can be consistent with that Same thing in relationships. If you've got a coach specifically for relationships, there are some core trauma wound that can help move forward on that and if you figure out what that is then you can work on it. But, like you're not going to go get a PT to help you with a relationship. So you want to find someone in the relationship coach because the communication dynamics it's like the relationship coach is going to give you, essentially, a personal training program. A PT is not going to know how to do that, but the relationship coach may not necessarily know the perfect program to give to you in terms of, like, health, fitness, diet, whatever it is. So that's how the differences work, but most of it all comes down to some sort of wound. So it depends on who you feel comfortable for, like as a coach.
Speaker 1:Like Chloe in general, just got like a business and personal development coach. She just got standard because she's like well, I need to work on me. I just want to understand my psyche and become the best version of myself, and most people that are just in the realm of self-improvement or personal development have a pretty good range of all of them. So they're like okay, I know I've needed work on myself, right? So this is my mindset now for how I'm going to attack business. Now, I'm gonna apply these lessons in relationship and learn the techniques in relationship. Cool, I'm gonna use this for health and diet. I'm gonna apply these techniques and use it for these, and someone can become so competent like people are so competent that they become like so good at all the areas just because they've learned themselves, which is like. I see you on that as well, like you smashing that it's crazy.
Speaker 2:I reckon like you like when you truly like, when you truly reflect and you look at, you look within regularly and you seek answers. And you look at, you look within regularly and you seek answers and you challenge your thoughts. You get the most insane growth, like when you look at it and go, like, as I said earlier, like my biggest teachers in my life and my past self and my past lovers, you go through breakups and yourself with the shit that you've done. Maybe you piss a friend off or they're annoyed at you and you look within and go okay, why do I make them feel that way? Like the past actions that you take and your past lovers, they teach you a lot about you and I think, being very self-aware and when you're thinking something, or when you're saying something, or when you're avoiding thinking something, that's when you should think and actually unpack. Like it's so powerful, like when you, when you like.
Speaker 2:I put a story up yesterday about me just distracting myself. I'm just like I had a podcast yesterday, then I was speaking with someone, then I went on a run, then I came back home and I was cooking food and I put a podcast on and I'm like chris, like are you listening to this because you're trying to learn, or fat for some entertainment, or are you just doing it to distract yourself from your thoughts? And I'm like, no, I'm distracting myself. There's a lot of chaos happening, there's a lot of different moving parts of business I'm working on and I'm distracting my thoughts. That's, quite frankly what I'm doing and I kind of go okay, stop this.
Speaker 2:Because where you truly grow, in my opinion, is when you reflect and when you look within and like you just get the most insane answers. Some people like speak to me all the time or I go on podcasts and and they go like where the fuck did that thought come from? I'm like, bro, I spent a lot of time thinking. I just think like a lot and I'm like I don't know it makes me come up with these weird conclusions and these weird thoughts and sometimes like someone will say something and I'll just go like but why? And they just go what do you mean? And I just think a lot and I think that's the way, that's the thing that's allowed me to grow so much.
Speaker 1:Hi, my name's Chris and I'm a thinker, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm curious. Yeah, it's funny. My purpose like statement thing is I'm a curious educator.
Speaker 1:Oh, I like that.
Speaker 2:And it's kind of funny, when I found out that I was on a retreat, I went on like this massive self-discovery retreat called Vision Quest and on the retreat, like at the, at the end we had to come up with this like purpose statement from all the stuff that we had done. And it was like this process of elimination all these different words that we've highlighted or wrote and all these things, and people spent like 30, 40 minutes like just trial and error in finding this thing and, like some, some of them didn't even find it by the end of it. The first thing I wrote was it was IMA, and then you had to fill two words and it was Curious Educator and I wasn't too sold on it and so but I was like I kind of liked that, but I wasn't too sold on it. So what I did was I unpacked the words. So like I wrote Curious Educator, I circled them and then I like unpacked what curious was to me and wrote all the things.
Speaker 2:And then I unpacked what educator was to me and I wrote down all those things. And then we went around the circle and um told everyone, everyone told their thing, and when it came to me I turned this board around and I said so I'm a curious educator. I started like breaking down why I chose that and then rick the, the facilitator, there goes chris, do you understand what you just did? I was like no, he's like you were curious, so you unpack all the words and then you educated that to the whole group on why you were a curious educator. You literally did your purpose statement while figuring it out and I just go. I just go, holy shit, like I'm a curious educator, like it makes so much sense, like if you know me, and I say that you go, yes, yes, that's you and I was like by finding it.
Speaker 1:I was doing it, I thought this is perfect so how are you applying this to hinge at the moment?
Speaker 2:oh yes, I love that you brought this into place. So I had a podcast yesterday and I've actually come to terms that I deleted Hinge.
Speaker 1:It lasted a few weeks, okay, so you had it for like about a month or.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I had it for a few weeks.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so basically I don't like when people know me on dates and I've had girls over and stuff and like they see my sauna and ice bath and I've never told them about a sauna and ice bath but they're like, oh, the sauna and ice bath, like they'd see it on my social stuff. I guess you already know me and I don't like this way that people treat me when they know me. Unfortunately, I hate it has to be this way, but that's just the reality. They treat me differently and I don't like it. So I thought maybe if I go on hinge I can find some girls that don't know me. So don't put my instagram in my hinge profile, none of that. Connect and match with some people and then get them onto text, facetime them facetime, vet them and then catch up with them in person. That was like that was the flow yeah, and it works.
Speaker 2:That flows, great flow yeah, yeah, it's got a facetime, like straight away, and if they're not willing to answer FaceTime, they're not willing to meet. I'm not meeting with them Because, like, they've got to pass the FaceTime test.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think that's fair right Before I invest time with these people. It's a hack.
Speaker 1:We literally teach that for picking up people, best luck with women. And it's like one you don't want to waste your time. Two, you don't want to get emotionally attached. Because as guys, if we get emotionally attached, we feel hard most of the time and we're either going to avoid and run away or we're going to lean in and get clingy and needy. So it's like unless you've implemented your boundaries first, there's no point in the relationship.
Speaker 2:So the thing is as well is, I don't want to fucking waste time exactly, and sometimes there's, there's, there's a couple of girls that I don't facetime check and they rock up at the house and straight away I get this just negative energy, like straight. They walk in the door and straight away I'm going okay, you don't look like your hinge profile and you give off. You're giving off this negative energy and straight away I'm like I wish these people weren't here, I'd rather. And so I'm like no, they need to pass the facetime test before, so they're not willing to answer it. I'm not, I'm not catching up with you. It's a rule, but anyway.
Speaker 2:So I take girls through this, this, this flow on hinge and um, and yeah, it was great, but what I found was there was some girls that I would meet that I actually liked, not from hinge, I just, and actually all the girls I met from hinge I never met up with again. Really, I just found myself not meeting up with me. I'm like, no, not my vibe, like really high my ex. What she did do was give me a massive, really high standard, which is awesome, um, but anyway, I would meet these other girls, um, just at a cafe or at a gym and I think they're cute, so I'd go up and like, get their number and I'd hang out with these girls and that would actually be really cool.
Speaker 2:Um, one in particular I actually really liked, but I caught myself feeling like I was giving off this, needing energy because of hinge, because I'm like I'm like on hinge, oh, I want to. I'm going to go on hinge Like I'm going to find a girl and stuff, and I and I just feel like people can smell that and I reckon it rubbed off in my vibe even when I'm with the other girls. And so I decided yesterday and this is really weird, we never spoke about this, but I decided yesterday to delete the app.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:And I deleted the app and the DMs that I've gotten since yesterday. Could be coincidence, call me crazy, but the DMs I got from yesterday to today and this morning and stuff are from people that I either maybe have slid into before. I had a following that I actually really liked their vibe of that. I thought were cool, but I was not at their level yet. I have slid into my last 24 hours. No word of a lie. I've had like the quality of girls in my DMS have gone like this and I haven't don't know if I've changed, but I deleted the app and I'm like I'm just thinking I'm't don't know if I've changed, but I've deleted the app and I'm like I'm just thinking I'm going, I'm going. The smell you give off when you need something is a strong smell and it's not a good smell and people don't like it, and so, in terms of Hinge, I'm done with that, I think.
Speaker 1:Nice, that's a good point. Well, it depends in terms of the energy, of need and want, right. And one thing on there is, by the way, you're experiencing synchronicities. You can't make that shit up. Every time that you make a room somewhere in your life, it's like in a hero's journey called apotheosis. You make like a bit of room somewhere, like one door closes another opens Synchronicities is crazy, but they're real.
Speaker 1:And when you're paying attention to synchronicities, like synchronicities are happening, it means that you are on the path. Like you can't make that shit up. Like when synchronicities are happening, it's like, oh, this is the path that I'm supposed to be going down, so it's like you know that right now for synchronicities happening, this is like some Carl Jung psychology and shit. It's like synchronicities happen. You're on the fucking path, which is awesome, but definitely comes want to find like the one and I don't need the one. Like I'm strong enough in myself. I've got like my business and my podcast. I'm like hustling here. I'm very sure of myself, I'm extremely confident.
Speaker 1:But I was like I want a partner, but I put in so many boundaries. That was like I remember I was hanging out with some of my friends and one of my friends was talking to this girl and something came up. Cause I was like, oh, do you know Corey? And she's like, yeah, something came up because of oh, do you know Corey? And she's like, yeah, that motherfucker left me on red for some reason.
Speaker 1:Cause I was like I went through. I'm like, okay, a thousand no's are going to get to a few sacred yeses and I don't believe in the one, but I believe in ones. There are people that are going to match your type that you, if you commit to, you'd be able to stay with for the rest of your life if it all works out. But at any point that that has to go off, then that's completely fine as well. And I was like I want this. So I didn't have this, I didn't feel a need at all, but I was on like the hunt, you could say, because I'm like no, I want my prey and I want to go and tackle her down and go in and get her. And it was a very different energy when I met Chloe and it was the first time that I kind of experienced like, and it was like I went out, tacked her, got her, brought her into my life and I was like cool, and we went from there.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing is as well, and you said talking about boundaries. But I think for me, I have a strict list of everything that I want in a relationship and like where I'm at with how busy and everything else I'm doing, all the things I'm working on I go. If they're not ticking all of those boxes, I don't care if it's there's like, if they're not ticking with ones off, that they're done. They've got to tick all the boxes. And if they do, I think it'd be shooting myself in the foot if I don't give that a crack because I've gone and sat down and gone.
Speaker 2:Okay, these are all the things I want. I want trust, support, belief, depth and fun. I want all of those things. And then I want someone that has passion, that I don't care what they do. It could be Barbie dolls and plat ponytails, I don't care, as long as your eyes light up when you're talking about it. That's all I want. And, like when I unpack all of these things, if I find someone that meets that criteria, like let's go, but if not, I'm not investing any time with you.
Speaker 1:Can I give you a recommendation for that? Yeah, hit me, yeah. Recommendation for that? Yeah, hit me, yeah. What I think is really important right in regards to this because I had a massive checklist, too, and Chloe ticked everyone, like every single box, like there wasn't one box that was left unticked, but I left a section, and I think it's the most important part is what would I like to not like about my partner? Because no one's perfect, right? So it's like what are these things that I know that I can handle, these things that I don't mind leaning into when they're difficult or when they're challenging? And what's, what's the shit and the dirt in this person that I want to know about before I can find them? And she ticks everything, every single one of those.
Speaker 1:So now, when an argument does happen or there's something challenging in the relationship, it's like oh, the the commitment thing of like.
Speaker 1:Oh, you didn't tick all the boxes anyway, so like I'm not gonna put in the effort, right for me, it was like I wanted this, right. This is exactly my perfect test to help me challenge this man. Like I had a, like a. We went like every thursday, me and my friends. Like we go do whiteboards, right. We just like hold each other accountable for our businesses and relationships and everything. And a part of it come up where one of my friends gave me the reflection because, like we like uh had a challenge like last month and we got through it blissfully, but he just gave us a reflection. He's like your guys relationship is like the most perfect thing to help each other grow as quickly as possible and you guys are in like the best situation and it sounds like that what you're going through and everything is just like pushing each other up and you guys like just got to let it happen more and we were like really good point.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:So one of the best pieces of advice I give to anyone is by going through that.
Speaker 2:I think it's interesting because I 100% agree that not everyone's perfect and they're going to have flaws, and I recognize that. But I kind of look at it and go all the things that I say are must-haves, they're actually more so relationship must-haves, not like person must-haves, and they've got to be willing to do that. It's like when I talk about trust, support, belief, depth and fun, it's kind of like trust is two ways we need to have aspects of our life that are separate from each other and trust allows us to do that. Like that's a must-have, right. And so if I see that there's just gnarly trust issues from the get-go and they're a bit weird, hell, no, and and and and so like I I kind of look at all those, but I really love that not like list and what are you willing to push through and have those lists? Because, yeah, not everyone's perfect.
Speaker 2:And also, what's just annoying is I kind of have like a three-date rule as well, whereas if they don't tick all of the boxes, I'm not going to spend more than three days with them, because then you start feelings and the girl everything happens right, yep. And so if they're not ticking the boxes, what's the point of spending any more time with it. But the problem is is the problem with that is when they tick all the boxes but you don't know the bads yet because you don't learn them in the first three dates. A lot of the time you get eight dates in, you find out about how hectic their ex-boyfriend was, that abused them, and they have these traumas and now like they can't have sex in a certain way because it brings up past things and you go holy shit, like this is quite deep. And then you learn, learn about these things and you go okay, I'm already too deep now I love this person?
Speaker 2:No, not love, but you're kind of like, oh, damn it. So I like having this list of okay, what are you willing to sacrifice or not sacrifice? Go through.
Speaker 1:I asked them first, like Chloe said, it was so confronting. She was like who the fuck is this guy? Because I'm like, tell me about your relationship with your mom, tell me about your relationship with your dad, with your mum, tell me about your relationship with your dad. Tell me about relationship with your exes. What was the worst thing that happened? What were?
Speaker 2:you like in those scenarios. So you asked her um how many dates in uh, probably our third phone call third phone call yeah, so not even catch up no, I wanted, I wanted to know everything.
Speaker 1:Before I caught up, I was like no thanks before you caught up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, what the?
Speaker 1:thing is guys is I notice a different.
Speaker 2:There's a different vibe in person than on the phone too.
Speaker 1:Oh, it is.
Speaker 2:I reckon they've got to pass the FaceTime vet, but then in person it's another test, it is.
Speaker 1:It is another test, like how do they treat the?
Speaker 2:waiter.
Speaker 2:Like how are they when their food comes out? Are they grateful, like all these little things is, is they rub off? Yeah, like, for example, like the last girl that I was chatting to that I really liked who's not in the picture now but, um, she was just so bubbly and excited about life and it was kind of like it was like she was like a virgin in terms of experiencing things like you know how like tate would talk about, like, like, if you want a girl that's already been on all the jets and all the boats and all of this stuff and experience the whole world, or do you want to be the one that lets her experience all of that? And this girl made me feel like a man in the sense that, like she hasn't, like she's not been, like walking down burly heads, going like, oh my god, like talking about how amazing this morning's been and how awesome it is right, and you kind of go. If that was a girl that did that every day with her ex, like would she feel as special in this moment. And I liked the fact that she her eyes lit up and how excited she was about life.
Speaker 2:Um, which is something new where I learned like okay, my ex got everything in the world. She never paid for a single drink. If she went out, she got flown around everywhere and stuff and and I go like, do I want that? Do I want followers? Do I want someone that has 900 followers? Is that something? Yeah, I kind of like that, like because I know how much social media can fuck people up and so I learn all these new things. But I'm still getting there. I'm far from perfect.
Speaker 1:I don't think the goal should be perfect, right, but like, I think being really self-aware and learning all these things with relationships is yeah I just want to recognize like there's gonna be people listening to this right and where you're at psychologically with this, like there's 40 year olds that haven't got it. They haven't clicked in this, yeah, like regularly. So I just want like to give you some acknowledgement for being able to land on this think about this by allowing like a very smart decision with your curious, educating. I think the curious part of being like I'm heartbroken, I'm going to lean into this as best as I can, and now you've already landed on all these different things and relationships, I think like you're the perfect person to be helping people go from school to reality. I'm like it just makes so much sense.
Speaker 2:And I appreciate that and you know, you know, what I think is a really powerful thing exercise to write down when you go through a breakup is what are all the benefits of this happening? I reckon it's so powerful because you just dread all the negatives and with everything that's positives and negatives, and understanding that, you kind of go, okay, what are the benefits of being broken up, of this happening right now? And like, writing down all those benefits and I wrote down all those. I remember when we broke up and I wrote down some lessons. But then I got a month down the line and my whole life had completely transformed. I had six figures.
Speaker 2:I was walking into the MCG, a stadium in Melbourne sorry, that holds 100,000 people and I go. I could fill the stadium within a month of being heartbroken and having no money and nothing. And I just go. I just go, like my whole life changed because of this breakup. She was the catalyst and all of a sudden I go. I am so grateful for her doing that. Not only does she come back now, like, like, not only have I like leveled up, which is an attractive thing, but and and she forced me to do that because I looked within but she transformed my life.
Speaker 2:Like my life, I'm a completely different person from a year ago.
Speaker 1:How do you, how did you, how did you transfer this, like these skills and this knowledge, to becoming the best version of yourself in business? Cause, business is a whole like different ball game there's so many ups and downs and there's a lot of emotional turmoil. And the skills that you're learning for most, like increasing your emotional capacity in a relationship, how did you transfer that into biz?
Speaker 2:if you had no business experience and you went through a breakup, the breakup's not going to teach you about business. When I was saying before the show about how people how I love people that are unique like if you speak to simon beard and you sit down with him right, like stuff that he says you've not heard before, you can tell he went from a market stall to a 600 million dollar business and he fucking did it because he's unique. And like when, like people that have actually done business and they've been in the trenches and they're and they don't know how the fuck they're gonna make it out, but they fucking make it out. Like these people have actually learned business. You can't theoretically learn business. I don't care what you say Like I do not care what you say, you've got to do it. That's how you learn.
Speaker 1:I agree, because I studied business at university and I didn't learn any business until I started my own.
Speaker 2:University teaches you how to work within a big business.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they do. That's what it is. And I went and I worked within a big business and I walked around the office and I went fuck this yeah. Like everyone was in their 50s sad, depressed. I'm like how have you been working for a company, right Like a company, for 30 to 40 years? You're the same weight, you're in the same role and you haven't got a pay increase.
Speaker 1:you haven't even got a promotion, anything you're just stuck here fucking promotion dad but I know, but there was no people 30 to 40 years, same role, and I felt sick I would, it was probably kill myself.
Speaker 1:It was, it was yeah honestly like it like it was. It was sick and I was like, okay, I'm going to use all of my opportunities while I'm here, I'm going to buy a house, I'm going to save up some cash. I went up like two whole pay grades. It's like never done before. Like in the government they're like oh, we don't do this like at all. Where were you working? I was like the only person I started winning all these awards and shit at work and I'm like and like it's not hard. I was doing that whilst running my own business and competing for a bodybuilding show and in a relationship. So I was like, holy shit, I'm so like the only person that I'm inspired by here is me right now. But I did meet some really cool leadership trainers. Like there's some really cool people that work in leadership training. Like they organization together and they come and they teach leadership, and I was really inspired by them.
Speaker 2:That was about it yeah, well, leadership so like that's an important skill it's the most hectic like like sporting taught me that so much like playing afl at a high level in the suns academy there, but like, but I think leadership is important, but the thing is, and you know, and just going back on that uni topic, there's an entrepreneurship degree. Now it was.
Speaker 1:It was a course at uni I did. You know there's an entrepreneurship degree you can go.
Speaker 2:That is the most bullshit thing I've ever heard. You can't make me feel gross. Entrepreneurship degree. Entrepreneurship is the creativity, the like, the, the willingness to like build something from the ground up, like to go through the highs and lows like let's.
Speaker 1:You don't learn that shit theoretically, one thing that I do like, because, like me, one of our courses was like you know, if you like, if you compared my business management degree, because for me it was like what do you want to do? And I was like I want to be ceo, so like you got to learn how to manage people. So we did learn a lot of theory in there. And then the other other side of the degree was it's like, well, if you swapped out like eight subjects for another one, then it would be the entrepreneur degree, right? So there's not many different subjects, but we did have. One of them was entrepreneurship, and in that which was handy is they taught us public speaking and we had to go and like do something in the public and like create something and bring it back.
Speaker 2:They taught you public speaking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, public speaking, yeah, and get graded on it, yeah, so I've done, like I've done. No, we had yeah, they had that. And then, like in when I was working in government, I got heavily invested into like I was I was doing other degrees and then sent me to public speaking trains. I went to all these different trainings for free. They like sent me to. So I was like that was pretty cool. Um, very grateful for that.
Speaker 1:But one thing that I found extremely beneficial about uni was that they did teach you how to think. It's like. Like having the deadlines, having the structure, creating the plans, having an assignment, getting it done before a deadline right, but you can either. It's your choice. You can either do it somewhere at uni where you're paying for it and you're not getting a direct return, and it's a little less frightening because the pressure is off, but you have this loan or you do it in the real world, which is way scarier. No one's going to back you.
Speaker 1:The skills that you have to use is like fuck, I'm going to have to ask my parents for money. I have to ask for a friend for money. Have I asked her this? What's going to happen when I have to let these people down like X, y, z. So there is, I think, massive benefits to it in terms of moving up, but compared to what you're going to learn in the real world, it's vastly not. But it depends on you, because if you don't know how to think, yet it's like if someone come to me and they don't know how to think, they didn't know how to study, they didn't know how to use Google, chat, gpt or anything else, I'd be like, well, it's probably good for you to go and study a course, maybe not necessarily uni, but some sort of. If you're an action taker or someone who just wants to go out there and get done, then it's like then fuck all of that.
Speaker 2:You said it teaches you how to think. I think what school and university does do really well is teaches you how to learn.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's what I think the biggest thing is. It teaches you how to learn. I was a rascal at school and I struggle to read books and stuff now. I don't enjoy it in the slightest. I force myself sometimes and so like I wish I could learn better. I can't, like when I'm listening to a podcast, if I don't after that podcast relay that to someone else or write it down or stuff. I'm not remembering that stuff a lot of time, like maybe a little bit if they stick with me, but I gotta repeat something in my head like five times before I remember it right but you know how to do that right.
Speaker 1:The thing is, you know that, that. But if I was good at school.
Speaker 2:I would probably be able to take it a lot better well because what it's the reps though it teaches you when you've got the deadlines, the things you need to write, you've got all this, like there's all this structure in there, and I think it does teach you how to learn properly and learn a bit better.
Speaker 1:I can speak on this right, because I have taught a lot of people. I remember one guy coming to my community and he was like I can't remember a fucking thing, like I had like fucking years on drugs, whatever it is, and now he can like crush a book and he remembers like the whole thing. So there's a lot of stuff that we learn in regards to to like memory learning and I can speak on this because it's one thing is you have to learn how you learn, because everyone learns differently, right, and that works for you. So I would argue against you saying, oh, no-transcript. So my way of learning is I just read something again and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again and again until it stuck, and then I could remember a whole thing.
Speaker 1:And people are like uni. What I remembered is what was really good is I did teach you how to professionally write. However, when I write now, it's like the challenge that I'm facing is how can I go from writing professionally, like referencing everything in like an article, to writing and making it sound like a personal brand instead of professional, because that doesn't sell anymore. So what I would say is you do know how to learn really well and you've figured out what it is for you and it's like cool. I've got to teach it quickly and I have to listen to it or read it multiple times.
Speaker 2:And that works and that's what the video is so much as well. When I would script a video, I'd have to remember it, like read it 20 times, remember the script and then deliver it, and then when you're editing, it might take another 20 times. You're listening to it, then you post it, it goes viral, listen to it another 20 times and so then you go okay, I've listened to this message 60 times, I know it, I know it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so you do, bro, you're a G it.
Speaker 2:But also I think the thing about school you said how you learn, like what's your style of learning is there's schooling, the school system's kind of like they're teaching you how to climb a tree, but you might be a goldfish, yeah, they're not teaching you how to swim and the monkey?
Speaker 2:like you've got the classroom you've got a goldfish, a monkey and an elephant, no, a giraffe. A goldfishfish, a monkey and an elephant, no, a giraffe. A gold coast got a goldfish, a monkey and a giraffe and then the. The task is to climb a tree and so you've got the monkey. He does, he's the, a student. He just flies by, he jumps and climbs and gets up to the tree and he gets an a. The goldfish goes. I can't even fucking step out of the water without dying. But then the elephant doesn't even climb because he just like gets the apple from the top of the giraffe, just gets the apple on top of the tree and he just gets it really easily. And he's that really talented guy, right, and it's almost like the task is to climb a tree.
Speaker 2:But I was kind of a goldfish in there and it was like I, it's the wrong task for me, I was the wrong thing and I think that's kind of, and that's why I think what schools are going to lead to ai driven schools, where they'll probably have ai run the class. Uh, there'll be like one teacher with like 300 students and each student would have their own ai teacher. And the thing is about an ai teacher is it doesn't build up any resentment. If a teacher doesn't like you in school, they're going to probably treat you differently. There's none of that with ai. They can customize your way, their way of teaching, based on you and how your student needs, and then all the teacher would just be doing would be like the glue to all the students so they can still have this social aspect.
Speaker 1:I reckon that's what I reckon.
Speaker 2:Teachers will go and they'll be redundant because I I think there's a way, better way of teaching people but people are creating private schools.
Speaker 1:Some of these people that I've met, like some of my mentors in America, they just bought a school, they just bought one, and it's not like something crazy, right. They bought one facility, they bought one teacher and all them and their friends send their kids there's 30 of them and they're like we want you to teach them through a curriculum that's like this, from year one all the way through to year eight and they only go to school for like four hours a day they just purchased a school.
Speaker 1:Anyone can buy a school, like that's what private schools are, so you could save a bunch of money and just buy a school and get a registered teacher. Oh, I don't know what the laws are to have a registered teaching organization, whatever it is, but like, as long as like you don't really if you have a registered teacher and you wanted your own school for like your own kids and your friends kids, you could just go and do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that blew my freaking brain I was like cool, I think I'm still on the fence if I want to take um, if I want to send my kids to school. Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, I got, I got I got no idea.
Speaker 1:wait, I'm just waiting to see what's happening. Well, it doesn't concern me just yet, so I'm gonna wait to see what happens happening. I was like, well, it doesn't concern me just yet, so I'm gonna wait to see what happens. But, bro, I want you, for all the listeners that are listening right now, if you could give them a challenge from something that you've talked about in this podcast that you think would be extremely beneficial to them. Most of the people are like 22 to 40 year old and my listeners are about 70% men, 30% women, and they're all interested in growing in business, growing in relationships and growing in health. From this conversation, what is one challenge you'd like to give them?
Speaker 2:It's easy, it's easy, it's easy. So they're trying to grow in business. What's the most valuable asset your business can have? I reckon it's the personal brand. I would say post a video every single day for 30 days. But the catch is you need to review your video from yesterday and make the next one better. And I would say, if you can do that for 30 days and you constantly grow, understand that the first one's going to be shit and it's going to be horrible, but you've just got to do it anyway. And if you can keep pushing past that and improve every single day, by the end of the 30 days you'll probably be pretty competent in front of camera and you might have gained an audience as well and you'll be thanking me later. So that'd be my challenge bro, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 1:Appreciate you, brother. Yeah, so sick bro, right on time oh did it yeah cool, so it stopped just before I said yeah, I think it said see you, man, because I was watching this one I think that one stopped before I was explaining the challenge, but that's okay, did it actually?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'll probably have on me we'll be fine.
Speaker 1:Just want to explain it one more time. Just do the challenge real quick it's easy.
Speaker 2:It's so easy, I would say, for people. What's the people that are trying to grow in business? What's the most valuable thing that you can do in business? It has to be grow a personal brand because, like when I look at all the opportunities and everything that unlocks in my life, when I have an audience online, it's credibility, it's your, it's the modern day resume. That's quite frankly what it is.
Speaker 2:And so I'd say, for the next 30 days, post a video every single day. But the catch is, after each day, you need to review that video and make the next one better. And so too many people commit to these 30 day challenges and they post shit content for 30 days and they expect to get results. And I just go come on, mate, like what do you expect? Like you can't post shit and expect to get good results and so understand that your first video is going to be shit. So if you don't change anything from that, you're not going to grow. So make sure that every single day, you review the video you posted yesterday and make the next one better, and by the end of the day, you'll have at least one of these two things You'll have a bit of an audience, or you'll be a better speaker in front of camera, and both of those are two valuable assets for your business. So I would say, do that and watch your life change. You'll be thanking me later. Boom done.