OVERTHINKING UNDERSTANDING Podcast
Deconstructing Stereotypes: A Deep Dive into Gender Roles, Body Image, and Societal Norms
Ever caught yourself considering the implications of gender roles, sexism, stereotypes, or the lack of paternity leave in the corporate world? This episode is a deep conversation between my big brother and me, where we don't shy away from these tough topics and shed some light on the deep-seated biases that exist in our society. We delve into the complexities of non-binary genders, double standards in the workplace, and the societal norms around a woman's attire.
We continue the conversation by scrutinizing beauty standards and body image. We discuss the impact of societal influences and the celebration of women for being "reacted." From dieting to plastic surgery, we explore how the perception of attractiveness varies across different parts of the world, emphasizing the importance of promoting health in all shapes and sizes. In this episode, we candidly discuss how a fine teacher from our past inspired us and how students react when a rapper visits their school.
We wrap up the episode reflecting on the importance of understanding and respect in our interactions with others. Our siblings play a crucial role in shaping our perspectives, helping us be more open-minded. We conclude the discussion by pondering the idea of living life the way we see fit, reminding ourselves and our listeners to be genuine, kind, and above all, true to oneself. This stimulating conversation is a must-listen for those willing to challenge their beliefs and explore complex societal norms.
Be genuine to yourself and kind to people.
Ever caught yourself considering the implications of gender roles, sexism, stereotypes, or the lack of paternity leave in the corporate world? This episode is a deep conversation between my big brother and me, where we don't shy away from these tough topics and shed some light on the deep-seated biases that exist in our society. We delve into the complexities of non-binary genders, double standards in the workplace, and the societal norms around a woman's attire.
We continue the conversation by scrutinizing beauty standards and body image. We discuss the impact of societal influences and the celebration of women for being "reacted." From dieting to plastic surgery, we explore how the perception of attractiveness varies across different parts of the world, emphasizing the importance of promoting health in all shapes and sizes. In this episode, we candidly discuss how a fine teacher from our past inspired us and how students react when a rapper visits their school.
We wrap up the episode reflecting on the importance of understanding and respect in our interactions with others. Our siblings play a crucial role in shaping our perspectives, helping us be more open-minded. We conclude the discussion by pondering the idea of living life the way we see fit, reminding ourselves and our listeners to be genuine, kind, and above all, true to oneself. This stimulating conversation is a must-listen for those willing to challenge their beliefs and explore complex societal norms.
Be genuine to yourself and kind to people.
What's going on? Beautiful people, welcome back to another episode of over thinking, understanding, and for today's episode, I have no other than my lovely big brother yours truly daddy.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I'm a whole daddy out here now talk to me nice. Oh, I'm the one Victoria's handsome big brother. That is intelligent big brother, that is hey, but my lady in the background too.
Speaker 1:We do have. He has his lovely lady here and I have my wife, who is now the producer of my show, in the background. We got a good episode for you guys.
Speaker 2:How you feeling about this topic it's gonna be interesting because me and Tiana had this debate all the time. But after looking up the definition, she might have a point. So it's gonna be cool first to dive into it. So I'm looking forward to it. But I think anytime in you can get together and talk about anything. It's gonna be a good conversation. So I'm with it. I need Me.
Speaker 1:Maybe, maybe a night close. I ain't a little bit that he raises, like that.
Speaker 2:Stand up for my women, be a BYM.
Speaker 1:This goes out to all the baby, so we go get it. I.
Speaker 2:Was trying to get the fantasia, you know.
Speaker 1:So we go get it to the definition for sexist. Okay, because everybody like words are important and where it's happening, so they use. Enough of being sexist. Yeah, we go read the definition. So if somebody out there telling you that you sexist, you ask them do you know the definition sector?
Speaker 2:the good thing is we got phones with with Siri. I don't know what the androids got big C. Okay, android jockein like that, they don't make the business name rhyming everything big big see like oh okay.
Speaker 1:You know the answer that let's see big C.
Speaker 2:Well, the good thing is, even if you can't spell, as long as you know how to talk, you can ask your phone Word.
Speaker 1:I mean you act like it's Siri. You got the male Siri. You got like all different versions of Siri. We simple big C. Why I cannot help you? Very polite.
Speaker 2:Well, with today's technology, there's no reason why you can't find out the answer that you're looking for with any stuff.
Speaker 1:All right, so we go get into this definition. It says sex is characterized by showing prejudice, stereotyping or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex. Okay, let's get into it, let's go.
Speaker 2:Let's do this.
Speaker 1:So what's our first, what's our first segment with that?
Speaker 3:Okay, I.
Speaker 2:That's what's up. She need to get her bed and I stand by that, because guess what I'm all about? Team woman, I ain't sexy.
Speaker 1:I think it's two ways Look at it Like it's messed up, if she's just getting passed up on. But sometimes Women can come with some attitudes and even though it's a less qualified man, you know, you know what it's sometimes it'd be a look less Drama.
Speaker 2:I didn't even think about that. I didn't even think about the fact that she could be getting passed over Because of her character. Yeah, she might be good at what she do. She might bring a little bit too much to the table. Exactly yeah, I'm glad you said that, because I was about to Skip right past it, but you're right.
Speaker 1:I don't.
Speaker 2:That's not always Because if you steady getting passed over it, maybe it ain't the job, maybe it's you. You.
Speaker 1:And not you as a female, you as a person that needs to look with.
Speaker 2:And I couldn't, I couldn't say the better myself. I love the way you put that together, sister.
Speaker 1:That's not.
Speaker 2:But if I get you back, woman or man, but if you keep getting skipped up over these so-called, so-called unqualified men, you need to find you another employee anyway, don't you be somewhere with somebody that'll appreciate you, sister?
Speaker 1:and, yeah, just women in general. Yeah, what's that?
Speaker 2:What's another one, cuz clearly we ain't what you got. Give us another scenario.
Speaker 3:You and your spouse, or ever. Mm-hmm, you know I'll be outside ever. Yes, a woman walks by sunglasses. Look like and meet up with friends. Get you know. You look like a boss about this okay. What is your first reaction? Like what? What do you think?
Speaker 2:Let's dive even to this. What she got on, women, woman can't call it different I that's. That's something completely different. That's trying to highlight I'm. I want to talk about this boss bitch who just walked by. Cuz now are you asking me do I think she got it on her own or Do I think she's flying another niggas money? What she got on, do she got on a dress suit? She got on a sundress. She got designer.
Speaker 1:I don't know what she's doing. So if I say like no, I think.
Speaker 2:I think this the sexist aspect is do we think that she did? She did that out her hard work. Or do we think that she got that from a man? Or do we think she got that from? Because that's why I asked what she had on, because if she look in business professional, then I'ma say okay, black Queen in her bag, professional. But if she got on skin tight with the ass out, i'ma say only fans is popping, and maybe it may be.
Speaker 1:But what was the question? She just walking down the street in the outfit first impression if she look good. But she look good.
Speaker 2:Oh, my initial thing, I just feel so. Of course there's a, there's a balance. You know, you can be in work mode and then you could be in your your every day. But I also feel like. I Also feel like professionals carry themselves in a certain like. Yeah especially as, especially now with me being in corporate America, there are certain things that when I step out that I should, I should carry myself differently. Yeah so I'm sorry if you got the skin tight on and yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't know the six of them. I don't see a woman walk by and I think Did she get that from only fans?
Speaker 2:I got an example. I got an example. I'm guilty of this. All right let's say it's a short chick and she in a Diesel truck, I mean a F-150 that's a dude car. I do think that's a.
Speaker 1:Oh I think she died. That's much like we ain't never talked about that. But if people say we not sexes, I'm married to woman.
Speaker 2:So that's when I am guilty of. I might say she ain't a nigga to her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I mean this. Okay, but it goes both ways, because we were sex. And if you see a short dude and a big truck, what is your initial thought?
Speaker 2:That ain't. I'm gonna tell you what I think is they. Young man likes to ride in big truck, but what the stereotype out is he might have short man, complex, or he might be trying to overcompensate for Having a small penis.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's just short, like he's a short man, so he wants to stay tall.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:I don't think I'm sexy cuz I look at. I was looking at my ways.
Speaker 2:No, no cuz if we just said she and her dude called you, not gonna say that man is in his no, but a sexist Comment to be to make.
Speaker 1:Or oh, that guy, that male is only that short male, is only in that big truck because he has little man.
Speaker 2:That is a stereotype, but that's not what I would think.
Speaker 1:I know, yeah, I got you. I'm saying I would think I was saying like I don't feel, like it's sick. You'll think that way about both say If I see a short dude in a big truck, cuz you said you're specific with a short woman, but if I see a short dude in a big truck, I'm gonna be like, oh, he's a little, he's trying to overcome it.
Speaker 2:I just think that those are two different, those are two different viewpoints, because why is it that you could say that that's a woman driving a man's truck, but you wouldn't say that that's a man driving in his Woman's car? Now, if you were to say that, then yes, I agree that you feel the same about him, but you, you just went from a woman driving in her man's car to a man having short man complex. Those are, I'm sorry, those are two different, those two different stances. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I just said that you can draw a male or female Like this all of us like but then based around what we talking about. You know, I think it's like Because if I see a short, if I see is like a short lady John, I'll be like yeah, I'm sure, john, the month for that. Oh man, she got out of there. But your viewpoint?
Speaker 2:is no, that's not my viewpoint.
Speaker 1:What you said.
Speaker 2:I said, the stereotype is Society. That's where stereotypes come from.
Speaker 1:You ain't never heard nobody say that no, I don't hear the dudes be like if I see A nigga is, like you like to say, driving real fast in the Nissan and we, like you, turn that shit up.
Speaker 2:You would yes, okay, so that's gonna say that go to the dirt now. That's why you think that man just couldn't know. That's, that's what he could afford, or that's what he liked me, son, that's a more it we could find a thousand six top.
Speaker 1:You know, go find a thousand six-hours a short women's hopping out of trucks and they stand, they do park, but if you, but if I do that, a Nissan turn that girl shit up who's access now?
Speaker 2:Who's?
Speaker 3:that.
Speaker 2:Clearly you a feminist. Ain't nothing wrong with a woman driving the truck, ain't nothing out the norm. But let a man be in the Nissan and he is dog in his later car.
Speaker 1:I.
Speaker 2:Tore's the sexist. What's the next one cuz I Can't believe it your daddy right, you better than this.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 3:Oh yes, and there was a backlash out there. I.
Speaker 2:Don't agree with it. I'm I'm in a weird space when it come to rappers going to school. Anyway it it'd be different if we was talking about a chance. Chance the rapper, or Conscious rapper, I would say but half the stuff we hear on the radio is either violent or Sexist or you understand something that that goes against empower in our culture anyway. So why are we having this person come up to the school and having kids go crazy for them, the whole thing with the sexy red? She came to the school.
Speaker 2:I don't I'm sure they sense of the music. They probably had the sense of the music, but as you're rapping, you throwing up gang signs and but, but we not trying to encourage that with the kid? And I'm sure blue face was doing the same thing. So I have a problem with both sides of that. So I won't say that one is greater than the other. Regardless of what kids are seeing on a everyday basis, I still don't think we, I think we should be more consciously aware of what we're trying to promote. So maybe, maybe now she go up to the school and say I know I can't be what I want to be.
Speaker 1:I don't think yeah, I'm with it. I don't think this. I don't think their rappers go up there for same thing, like we Dallas, so like our local rappers, you don't have like a lot of local rappers. You're showing them going to school talking about the positive. It's so be some crazy shit and the kids will be going crazy. They already Listening to it anyway. I feel both ways about it. I we say we not promoting it with the kids, but the kids are already listening to it. So I hate like oh, sexy red. And then back, go, go, daughter Probably somewhere busting it open. Sexy red is not promoting that, or son or son, I Don't.
Speaker 2:It's coming out, it's slowly coming out, but I don't know. I don't like that way. I think it, baby, just because you go to kid, see it every day, that's just like saying they gonna shoot you to the anyway. So I might as well sell them guns.
Speaker 1:You know, saying like no manufacturers are not gonna stop selling guns because he is racist, non-racist, whoever people with bad temper is people. That's not even to control this sales. That's exactly what the side of the complaint be it be like gun manufacturers Do not sell guns to nobody because of the bad people. And then it's like the people who want guns are like, okay, the bad people not gonna stop having guns Shooting people just because y'all stop. Regardless, my business is not gonna stop because kids shouldn't have guns.
Speaker 2:You said the key word though you talking about from a business.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Excuse me, that's how I'm saying that. Should it be promoting in schools? No, but at the same time, if you have a fine, okay, say like this your fine teacher.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Do you remember a fine teacher that? You had of course, what grade were you?
Speaker 2:Third grade.
Speaker 1:I was third grade. Third grade, I said lady.
Speaker 2:Hamilton. She was fine sleep over every day, but Sorry, sorry to cut you off, but when we talking about the school thing, you tell my they already Watching it. What is the benefit of a rapper? Come to the school then.
Speaker 1:It's a rally, it's a prep right. The kids, like you said. You said we have them come to the school. For the kids to go crazy Kids, we all know kids not. You can't force the child to do something, what they want. So for a kid to even go crazy, for a rapper to come in, there is somebody that they like, somebody that's entertaining. That's all I mean by. That's all I mean by they said doing it like. And now I meant is to bring up an attractive teacher. That teacher, it's gonna be sexy to you for everything she do, is she not? She ain't up there bouncing around talking about my pussy, pinkie, my ass over.
Speaker 2:But that that that good-looking teacher is also not trying to is also not trying to what she's not.
Speaker 1:She's not, she's not there trying to be trying to sexualize herself, though. So she's not trying to sleep with those.
Speaker 2:It's not what it's not. It's not that she's trying to sleep with them. But I don't again we bump it heads on your, your analogies, because you talking about that teacher like that. That's, that teacher is just a good-looking individual. But if that teacher is coming in dresses, certain away, then now she might be sexualizing it. But if she just coming in and this is just her, then and you find out how you find attractive. What is sexy red music? No, sexy red music is Let that Gucci breathe. No, she ain't saying put on a condom. I think one of us are saying that in me, actually pregnant now. See, I'm going on attention, but I'm just saying what we?
Speaker 1:Well, that I'm just saying to bring it back my son been like my son.
Speaker 2:If he come home and tell me that sexy Reels at the school and they was lit like I'm, I'm, I'm not gonna be able to understand.
Speaker 1:I don't think. I don't think. Like I say, he is already and I think no, okay.
Speaker 2:We just given an example the music. They play a game. I Ain't with that either. I don't even damn how I forget you, unless we talking about some, unless we talking about college, where you are going to your independence of becoming an adult. As far as high school, middle school, I ain't with it and, yes, I was a high schooler and I know what I liked at that point. But I also feel like, coming from an educational standpoint, we shouldn't be promoting I don't need NBA young boy telling me to go and shoot up everything or, right way, telling me my life sucks, that I'm not with it, so we just for the key. Yeah, well, I'm for the kids. You said fuck the kids. You said because they probably bustin it over.
Speaker 1:They shoot each other up, fuck it over thing understanding we are open to all of our guests opinion, but they're not, I don't think I just think. Is it like is it doing it? Some stuff can be blamed up, okay. So, just like some other artists say your kids shouldn't be listening to my music, but like to be like, oh, this music shouldn't be good. You know, child, somebody kids don't even listen to their music that they put out. It's like you, as a parent, teacher Shouldn't go. My music should not touch your kids, okay.
Speaker 2:What if? What if I Purposely, as a parent, make sure that my child doesn't listen to their music when they with me? Do I have a right to now be upset with the school? If they have a performer come up and play that type of music.
Speaker 1:Maybe, maybe a couple of miles of this situation. So we're not gonna see out of eye that if the school wants to have performance come, it should be a list email out for the parents and there should be a consensus on who the parents choose, a pick or however to come down.
Speaker 2:I guess I got a green blood, my child gonna feel.
Speaker 1:Yes, don't want to go, religion, reason or nothing. You write a note. They ain't that, so your child should be able to be excused from that threat rally. It's sexy, rare go becoming a sin in your word like that.
Speaker 2:Hands on your knees. Been that ass over. Shake that ass for Drake, not shake that ass for me. I heard all the time but you know, but fuck them kids and fuck me, cuz it's just what plays when I'm.
Speaker 1:You.
Speaker 2:Know my phone, but I mean, if you out and about you, here I'm on YouTube and it's somebody, somebody that's to a tick tock. I don't even have a tick tock, but on YouTube, somebody that's to a tick tock Scram whole lot of choppers on your ass that before I had even heard this song, I seen the tick tock for the shit.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Before, before you go, there was one that I do remember the can we. Can we talk about the workplace harassment?
Speaker 3:Yes okay.
Speaker 2:I Do not think that it is cool to make women feel uncomfortable. That work, zero tolerance. Yes but what I think we don't speak enough about is when the women harass the men. Same thing when it comes to sexual assault. Okay, I.
Speaker 1:Feel Deep rendition like oh, this man is too tight. But if you go with a female. There's just some type of way. Oh, I'm staying at your house.
Speaker 2:And because I am a man you should be okay with it. You should like it. You married, but as a woman, I have a choice to say if I want to welcome it or not and I just want for the record, and I don't think nobody would disagree with me if you are an attractive individual, it is a compliment. If you are an ugly motherfucker, it is harassment and I don't think it is a compliment.
Speaker 1:I just want to say that I don't think it is a compliment but, I am going to say that. Please be clear, I'm not going to say that, but I would say that.
Speaker 2:I would say that I would say that, I would say that Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1:Thank you you attracted to the person it's like. But that's, I guess it's just human If you're attracted to the person it's like, oh, but there's a certain, there's a thin line, especially at the workplace.
Speaker 2:I shouldn't be able to say certain shit, I don't give it that, how vulgar it is. But I could. But you know what? It's crazy cuz I'm gonna give an extreme example. If a man is handsome, I mean if you find a man attractive, he can be like I do something to you. If he ugly, he say you so?
Speaker 1:I.
Speaker 2:Not somebody cut around with a brown box to tap you on the shoulder, telling you come, take this walk with me.
Speaker 1:That's true, but I feel like that's that's pretty privileged. Okay that's, that's a part of it in the service. After the same way, like it's, I can say it's be gone, like my Spare. If you look like a certain type of way, you're able to get away with one thing Like oh, that chick don't know nothing or she needs help.
Speaker 3:But you can have.
Speaker 1:Somebody need help too. If they present a certain way, it's a certain way they go to have oh, she got it, or more to more got it. I'm like man, I need help, just like she do but. If you ain't looking like you want to gobble.
Speaker 2:I just want to get that out my chest. But to go back to the workplace harassment, I just feel like we need to make sure that we are keeping it equal across Both sides. The judge because of the sex doesn't mean that one, one party gets us Past another, because now we jumping into double standards, and I'm so unfortunate, but we do live in the world of double standards. But it's on us to correct it.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's a good one, it's a good one. Parenting stereotypes, assuming that a working mother is less committed or capable compared to the male kind of part due to assume primary Responsibilities at home. Like, so, if it so, you saying like if a chick is a mama and you don't feel like they get treated differently at work, opposed to a father, father that just decided a baby.
Speaker 2:Um, I, I think when we get into that, we get into breaking down again the society societal stereotype coming back from older generations, because we got things now we're starting to do to adjust a lot more. Yeah, you know saying you could be an at home dad, just like you could be a at home mom and just because you are a hardworking woman.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:See, but that's coming from. That's coming from you relying on a, on a on a I'm saying society.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, can be, but the people are still going to be like and it's some people who bet at it.
Speaker 2:You know that's a, that's a job within itself. So I can't just discredit whether it's a man or a woman, because who's to say that the man has to be the one to go out and make the money? It's it and and and for any woman that has a problem with that. They shouldn't have a problem with somebody. Let me, let me, let me find my word. But if you're going to have a problem with a man being an at home daddy, then you can't also complain that you're not getting equal pay out in the world because you're a woman. Because just like a woman can get in her bag, a man can also hold down the household and not be working.
Speaker 1:And they shouldn't be there.
Speaker 2:There is nothing that there is no law that says the man has to be the one to provide for the household. The whole, the whole point of coming together as a union is working as a team to take care of the family. And it may be identified that, hey, as the man I need to hold down the fort. You got this good paying job and you were able to hold down the house financially. I'll be here emotionally, and you know what I'm saying, and I think we need to be more open to that.
Speaker 1:I do feel like for the for like the question within itself, a new mother, that you know how they say mama's, baby, daddy's, maybe. It's kind of like weird, like if a girl has a she had like this, is she breastfeeding, she has to pump. So they like, oh, she goes missing. A lot Like I remember a scenario in the military where a lady was going missing and it was like she's always taking break, she was pumping and they're looking at it like, oh, he just had a baby.
Speaker 1:But like, really, if you're not there physically with the baby, it's not too much. You have to do like a woman's body, even coming back, like of course they get that time off now, but even just adjusting Like it's gonna be. Like well, brad just had a baby and he did break on his feet. He says why didn't Lindsay just had a baby? But the baby came from her. So it's just like, oh, you had a baby. That's why you're run messed up. Oh, you sit up some back because you had a baby. You want to be treated equal. We're not. We don't need to be, we don't need to be thinking about none of that. So I do think in some ways it is. It is kind of things that come up with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I agree, and I don't I don't necessarily feel desperate, but I will tell you as a as a consultant, like in my field, I noticed that a lot of, like a lot of people in my role. They travel a lot for work and so you'll see men with they wouldn't be but a lot of women that I see. They are either divorced or have never been married, because it's okay, for back then it was okay for a man to be gone all the time, but not acceptable for a woman to be gone all the time.
Speaker 1:So you said that they are unmarried because it's not okay, or you feel like a male is not able to adjust to the woman being able to work so much.
Speaker 2:I think, in some cases, men have a problem with it. In the past, men have had a problem with a woman who, who is just as ambitious and the job requires her to travel, just like every required men to travel, but some men are okay with it. So I'm just, but just, let's just break it down like this Just think about it. I could come across a woman that's making a lot of money. Now we get into something completely different, though, because now we're talking about how some, some men can handle it A woman making more than them, some men can handle a woman having more status than them, and things like that, and that I think that's an all way of thinking.
Speaker 1:Is that ego mixed with sexism? Because back in the day, well, let's say years, 34 years back, where your woman was not going to have a better job than you could do than possible. So now you never had to think about a woman doing more, having a higher status, because she was almost dependent on you, because the opportunities were given to her and you were not. She was not able to work. What she did was to clean or whatever she's going to do, stay home because jobs were not afforded to her.
Speaker 1:So men, their fathers, like I'm just saying on the perspective of, I kind of get it if you say societal norm, that wasn't the norm. So the transition, if I can go tell my dad who my mom and his situation was totally different. She didn't have these opportunities to say, oh, my wife is the breadwinner or my wife is making more money, because they can't even fathom like women don't work, women didn't work, women didn't do that. So it is like a. I think it's like maturity and just learning to grow with the times, because at a certain point in time that was not a thing. Women did not work. Women were not better than men because they wasn't able to. Women were not better than men in some working jobs because they wasn't even taught the skills, are able to exercise the skills to get better at those jobs In the moment they became able to do it.
Speaker 1:Some people did dead and gone. Your great-grandfather like you, like what's the like how your wife, your wife does work, your wife does a construction work, for your wife is an architect, like, even like cooking. Cooking is one of those things where it's like male, like male dominated things. Like cooking as far as like shelf, it's like a male dominated job and it's like you don't in the regular on the house style, like you're saying, stay at home wife cook in the shelf world it's totally different.
Speaker 1:Like you have a lot of males that want to cook.
Speaker 2:It was the same thing when it came to manufacturing but I live out the window with World War II, when we needed more people with hands on sticks.
Speaker 1:Exactly exactly. And you're saying just learning to grow with the time. Some people get stuck and they're like this is never a thing, like you never had to adjust to something, like COVID coronavirus was around, right, but it was never nothing to adjust to until COVID-19 just popped. He just like what the heck Like?
Speaker 2:man and I just think that just comes, just that's just we talking about overall just growing with the time, because the same thing could be said about earnings and men and women in the workplace, the same thing could be said about racism. The same thing could be said about sexuality.
Speaker 1:So moving with that now, like even being a sexist. We are living the world now where, excuse me, like sex is like non-binary, you're not a male or female.
Speaker 2:I'm a man.
Speaker 1:I know I'm saying people feel that like that is a thing now and it's just like. Now it's even more like. So what are you then? What is it then? Like it's coming into the world and now we're going to have to read it. Just as like. It's not sexist, it's not being male or female, it's just so. What do I do if I don't like the way that somebody calls or the way that somebody works, or oh, you've been transphobic or you've been this? Folks like now it's another world that we have to adjust to. That our parents and grandparents didn't necessarily have to deal with on a scale that maybe pierced about their experience.
Speaker 2:It's a it's a respect thing. How you be yourself and how I view myself don't have to be the same, but I can be respectful and how you view yourself, point blank, period. Because I'm a male, regardless of this, regardless if we want to say non-binary or whatever the case may be, but if another man feels that he you know what I'm saying inside as a woman, then who am I to tell him? No, you're not. I may not agree, but I don't have to. I can disagree with you without disrespecting.
Speaker 1:I'm staying on the front, so let's take it back If a non-binary person comes to me and be like I think you're attracted, I think you're sexy. They didn't try to hit on you.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, that's the problem, no, that's what no, I understand what I'm saying, but I'm saying so now you have it, where you have a woman, an attractive woman, and it's just like, maybe, like you were saying earlier, it's more open. You're more open to the third and like, man, do you look good? You always put your outfits together and like, and you could tell like she's flirting.
Speaker 3:But you're more open to it.
Speaker 1:She's a female, she's attracted to me. Now you've got this non-binary person. That's just like you know you. You, even if it's not saying you like that person, like hey, I'm not like that, I'm not with the gay shit, I'm not a boy. So, just like every time it's like something to come back, oh well, you know, I'm not with it. You know we what? I'm not a boy, I like I'm a one exactly, but I'm exactly.
Speaker 1:But now it's a whole different world. It comes into it Cause it's like, well, that girl fight with you every day and you don't say nothing. But you got to follow me.
Speaker 2:I don't give a damn. That's the harassment. If I don't, if it's unwarranted it's harassment, no.
Speaker 1:and overthinking.
Speaker 2:Understanding does not share those views as well. But if it's unwarranted, it's harassment.
Speaker 1:And you don't know no means no in all aspects. I feel like there's a beat it's going to throw a different version of now we like add to the text Like well, I'm not a boy. I'm not a girl Because I was told a fucking huge one.
Speaker 2:Yes. So you know what I'm saying, that's a year, only story, because you two, I love all of it.
Speaker 3:I'm not a big boy, yes, I'm a big.
Speaker 2:no, needn't know what you're talking about mean, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:Okay, rowan, english paycheck no��요, I'm not a mixing educator. I feel like we are definitely not even tips on. We're entering into a new world. It's like I like girls oh, yes, we don't. It's like no, like I don't.
Speaker 2:I Don't want that I like girls, I don't like you though.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's how, if we need to be more direct, I. If I'm in the, if I'm in the room, I Try to go into her like, especially like what work means. I try to go into a room with the respect that everybody is here because they can bring something to the table. Sometimes after you get to talking I might feel like, damn you, full of shit, what? But I'm not gonna dismiss you. And somebody rewords it and then I'm like I get it. I will say sometimes it's not what you say.
Speaker 2:It's how you say it, and also when it comes down to communication, the, the the Receiver and the center in the center have to be on the same page. But if it's, if it's blatant like fuck what you tell about what you say, bobby, and Bobby just said the same thing that Sally said that's a great idea. That's, that's a problem.
Speaker 1:We live in a, in a world now, where it's not as late, like it's not as, like you said, like oh, bobby, is it? It's hard, it's, it's actually. They go into it. Like I can tell you, like I have a soldier and he grew up in the household he don't really talk about his mom, but he had a problem with all female leadership and so, like we we, we talked to him. He said that he grew up in a house over where women do not tell man what to do.
Speaker 1:So it's not like your house also exactly so again, I get we in a service but like we deal with it. But it's just like, it's just crazy that so much goes into it like a guy and going telling, hey, clean that up for me, I can go over there. Like, hey, clean the ground, I can't with the, I hate the shit. Like he just angry dude, he was not like women telling what, what to do, and he was just like he just grew up in the household where that was not a thing. So like even though, like you said, hey, this is not yet your house, like you have to still be firm, but you it's kind of like you get a understanding for people like I get it. Like if I grew up like that, maybe I would have been the same way.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm and that and and I kind of said it and I kind of told them to bring it to what we were saying. Like a lot of women in my field we don't. Women don't get along with each other. It's kind of like the same way like a guy can kind of, hey, do this, do that. I just the way that you said it, and it's like it's a lot of females in the service, they do not get along other people's but, they don't carry a ton.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, but in a lot of situations it could be like that you get. But if a guy like women, don't tell me I can act the same Certain way towards a female with a different perspective. But it's basically on the same. What you talking about, and some of the bases, is because you are a girl and I know how y'all are, so I'm kind of like posed off to what you have to say.
Speaker 2:It's weird because even when I was a trainer, sometimes it was too many women in the room. It would become a problem because I'm trying to show you on the head a bit, but yes, also Is it when it's too many men in the room. I gotta show you that I'm that, that I'm the big dog. So you know it. Uh, it's on both sides.
Speaker 1:I just I just wouldn't be quick to call people, say that's my thing Is once you. I feel like growing up and getting older and realizing like every All in action and trigger kind of has some type of way about it, unless you say it's late in, but it's not too much, it's just like pulled out in the world anymore, it's just like flat out.
Speaker 2:I get where you coming from, and my response to that would be it's still sexist, but I can be open-minded to the fact that you were raised that way because at the end of the day I was saying societal norms and things like that, but all this comes from how we were raised and our upbringing.
Speaker 2:So we have to be more mindful of even though we might have our specific views when it comes to children, we have to also be able to explain to them, to be open yes to to others, because we're going in this household don't necessarily go on in the next household, but Both households have individuals who will leave the home and interact with other people. So you got to kind of be mindful of that when you're interacting with people. But, by definition, certain shit is sexist.
Speaker 1:I agree. I just said it's not as blatant like they say. Like blatant is it's still a high percentage of women making less money than men and it shouldn't be that like. It shouldn't be that if y'all in the same job, they have a study where, like the male and the female in the same job, and then the job same amount of time, and they made 50 cents to 75% less, that's like blatant. It's like what's the what's? What's the difference like, what is the different? Why is this page not matching if everything else matches?
Speaker 2:It's weird, did y'all? Uh, did you hear about the the tech recruiting um event where it was supposed to be just for women but you had all these men showing up because they were saying I identify as a woman? And I thought it was hilarious because Because I think we got to kind of break away from that whole less push to empower one sex or one race or something like that. It's almost like this event is only to get black people jobs and it's like, well, black people don't want any job, or this event is only to help women get more jobs.
Speaker 3:They ain't though.
Speaker 2:Hey, I guess so.
Speaker 1:I feel like you kind of like contradicted a little bit, but like when I was talking about the binary, and that's kind of like what you did so with.
Speaker 2:That's funny, though that's funny.
Speaker 1:That's funny that you like bring that around, and it's like I kind of brought it up earlier, but it's like yes, it's like, yes, other groups need jobs, but this is for women. It's just like saying like there's nothing to say in this household. This is what we do. We could be like, oh, we love soul food. I don't need you stopping by my house every day saying that Chinese food matters. Like in this house, we like soul food and that's what we're doing.
Speaker 1:So if a company is trying to empower women at the moment, why a bunch of excuse me to make a point like a bunch of dudes come up there and I identify the woman is for women. Like they're not necessarily as good. This is the group. I just say I want purple M&Ms over here, but he's M&Ms, look purple to me, so I'm a lot of more. No, like it's just for them at this specific time.
Speaker 1:Like this is you don't go to a basketball game and be like, oh my fuck, I like basketball too, so we can't come in like, yeah, you could go and you can be here as a basketball friend, but for right at the fan, but for right now. What the fuck is? This is football, so you can sit your ass down here and watch the football game, but you are not going to make me chuck a basketball up and down to the goddamn field to be like basketball matters, to know this is not what's going on at the time and I feel like, with something like that, that's just what it is. Like you never show up to a counselor event and be like, well, fuck, it's a roses matter to. This is the counselor.
Speaker 2:It's just a thin. It's just why I said I thought it was funny, but it's a. It's a thin line, just like with the, with this transgender sports.
Speaker 1:It's fucked up. Like you like now we're getting down to genetic. What was it like? The boxing or the like? You'll see what you've fractured three women's goals. Regardless of what we want to say, women are built different than men just like, just like with the army standard. Well, y'all want us to be equal with this, but some things we can't be, unless you start selling every female soldier who can take testosterone if you want to even up the plan field. Even up the plan field.
Speaker 2:Meek Mill said that in the interview the other day. Now you'll find out.
Speaker 1:That was fine.
Speaker 2:You got your testosterone or something he said testosterone.
Speaker 1:I could say X.
Speaker 2:But, but you, you bring up a great point and I wasn't saying that it was right. So I thought it was funny because you know had it been a male? Had it been a male, event, you know, saying you would have had women outside that want to have it about it. But you're gonna always have somebody that's not happy with what you're doing anyway.
Speaker 1:I feel like we kind of in that phase of the world, like people want to be included what they not included that like it could be a stranger. I say we're shooting this episode with the window open. The stranger like, oh, they got cameras in life. I want to join your podcast and they have to be a different color. No, you can't join, the fuck. No, you can't come to my house. They racist. No, it's like I don't know what you like just unwelcome it's not inclusion.
Speaker 1:Sometimes people want to be included where it's just like no, like everybody should be included. No, shouldn't nobody be made to feel excluded, and stuff where people are supposed to come together at. But if it's something that don't have nothing to do with you, it's like what? Like why you want to be a part of it. But, like you said with the transgender sport, I just think it's dangerous unless those women get the inject. They stuff with how you said to stuff. There we go.
Speaker 2:Some line. We're gonna agree on that one, because now we're getting into genetics, yeah this is hard what men's Sorry, but what men some men are naturally capable of doing, women can do and you want to make sure that it's fair across. But then again, of course, we're gonna have some people who disagree and say no.
Speaker 1:I can do anything that a man can do. It's like the transgender females that go into males and they like the man is pregnant. I can't put. I can stick a baby in your 10,000 ways for the egg in a sperm. You're not producing child unless you will.
Speaker 1:What the human body is amazing, right, like unless you was happened to be born with that set and it's in there like no, that is a female that is transitioning to a male and that's why that she has a woman that's able to carry that child. And it's gonna be pushed to narrative a man is able to produce a baby, like some things are able to produce. I think they say, like what Seahorses? Like the males, are able to have babies, but not for that attend, it's the female or most species that's able to have a woman.
Speaker 2:It's a carrier.
Speaker 1:Yes, but I feel like we're referring to tiptoe into a society where it's like you can't tell a man they can have a baby, but it's like I'm not telling you and I won't prove me wrong.
Speaker 1:It's like please put me on, please push your baby out. Like it's some things that you'll never like. Oh, these ovaries and have a period crap man, I understand you in a period, no, you get it, understand that why, but you don't get the crap. And or whatever. So it's like some stuff where people want to be excluded, like I can't give you that inclusion. Or like when the guys you know dress up as a woman, they want to see how I feel to be cat called.
Speaker 1:You are only, you're only for a certain amount of time living with that, but you still don't feel a fear. And I'm just speaking for like women, whereas sometimes you can go into a room, you not even trying to hurt a woman, and a woman could just be nervous because you are, you are a male and it makes her feel uneasy. Some people want to spend that because it's just like a woman saying so to be like oh, I get it too. It's just like. It's like weird inclusion when it just like blears the line and like so nobody's going to have nothing to say.
Speaker 2:I try to say, I try to make things black and white all the time, but it's a lot of gracious and I think that's what the world is. There's a lot of people who get by life by staying in the great areas Right out the cool.
Speaker 1:I think this we got another one, what you got.
Speaker 3:Okay, you're trying to woman as emotional or bossy, while describing a certain male behavior as John.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's touchy oh that's touchy.
Speaker 1:Oh, my name is the ninth episode. It was so controversial. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I liked it, I liked it.
Speaker 2:Oh, my name is the ninth episode. It was so controversial. Yeah, yeah, I like that I liked it, I like it, I like it, I like that. Oh, my drink.
Speaker 1:That again.
Speaker 2:Where's my drink?
Speaker 3:Referring to a woman as emotional or bossy, while describing a certain male behavior as John or leadership quality.
Speaker 1:It could be bias, I give it that. I feel like that I could just say me personally and you know me. My whole life I could definitely be like, I have definitely been like. Well, I guess a society like you could be like man. I do acting like a girl. I'm just saying it works both ways, like if a dude snuff there's wine in the door, something like that. Now that I got a team, you could be like. This ain't gonna be so.
Speaker 2:it's like drinks at a best.
Speaker 1:What do you say?
Speaker 1:Niggas act more like bitches these days, so for the definition of what people made a bitch. There's a lot of dudes that kind of act, like that, or like you could spend my opinion just saying like women, because it was a little one. It's men that you can see me talking about all the time with some of the rappers. Like they're like role a eyes and videos and do something like you could tell you were raised by a woman because you acting like a bitch, what are you doing? But it's, I don't know. It could be sex above way. That's hot, it's loaded. I can see it though.
Speaker 3:It happens.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying that's maturity for my, what you got.
Speaker 2:It's fucked up because sometimes you can't be like you. You're doing too much. It gets your point across, but you don't have to put the extra behind it. But I'm the same way with a man too, like bro, just make your point, don't put all the extra behind it, because then I could I could say you being emotional.
Speaker 2:Yeah because we can't. We come in here for a bottom line. So let's get straight to the bottom line. If you go and put high matter fact there, you go. If you got to talk about I feel and all of that shit, now you're going somewhere else with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, going somewhere else with it. And now for some things it's like, and I think of certainness and like I say me, I had issues, like even with soldiers. I had a soldier. I don't want to say that, yeah, I had a soldier get like emotional with me and I was just like dang. But I have heard like my whole career, even as a child, even with my whole life, oh, you aggressive, you aggressive. But guys they kind of like do the same thing.
Speaker 3:And it's like why.
Speaker 1:And I tell them, like they like you've been too aggressive. I got a correction. We, like the army tells me to be a certain passive aggressiveness hey, I need you to wear the right uniform and kind of work on time. You gonna be in the right uniform, you gonna come here on time or you gonna get this counseling or this is going to happen. But it's like people are used to passive or passive aggressive. That is like when you are a surgeon, it's like, oh, you've been aggressive.
Speaker 1:I can say from a woman in the military, I can definitely get it because it's dude. That could be like super aggressive or assertive and it's just like, oh, they, just a good leader for females doing this. Like, oh, you're a hard charger, you know you need to calm down. And it's like no, this is what the army told me that I need to do. Like, literally, we had a risk. Oh, we had an SEO and just the second soldier that we had passed within two months.
Speaker 1:And a soldier passed and one of the Lieutenant Colonel was like, hey, you know, if you are a hard charger, if you are one of those type of SEOs, you know, watch how you talk to people. You never know, but you know, it was directed through a director and I was like these are soldiers. So you're telling me that if we deploy or a soldier dies, why are you down there? You still got to do your job. You're telling me that, oh, you have to handle this one. It's just like no, it's only a problem, because my pain is coming from like a fever. If it was just like oh, aggressive, then why the mess with the? Why the soldiers are able to do it? Why are soldiers can be able to like fuck this shit and walk out? It's just like oh, what is soldier? Has a lot going on Like no, I see going both ways I see men doing it.
Speaker 2:I see women doing it. Here's a good example, if you're giving me, you're telling me something that you want to get done and you're crying. Am I wrong for saying you're emotional?
Speaker 1:I think factual. No, because to cry is an emotion, you're giving off status.
Speaker 2:Same thing. If you're giving me, you're telling me you want something done, but I can hear the anger, I can see you, I can see your face.
Speaker 1:You're emotional. You're emotional. I feel like these questions are kind of sexist porn and producer, because I haven't heard the males walk the down the street. It's a great whip.
Speaker 2:We got a sexist as producer, but we got a sexist as a guest.
Speaker 1:But yeah, but it's stereotyping, prejudice.
Speaker 2:What else is for? Females, it's for women, and you know what that's bullshit within itself. What the fuck is it for me?
Speaker 1:Yeah, like what is it?
Speaker 2:What if I'm stereotyping? Can we find that?
Speaker 1:Can we find that answer Like what is being like? Prejudice and stereotyping me Because I would just been to say like that's what put me in my head. The definition for sex is only pretending to women, and it's just like men. People are very sexist against males too.
Speaker 2:This shit was a setup from the jump. That's bullshit.
Speaker 1:See, that's just like what in this, A just like me and my wife talk about. She feels like black people cannot be racist. They can only be perceptive, though it's not true. It is just like black people can be racist. It is like how can black people, as a black man, I feel my race is more superior than yours. You are racist, but it's a lot of people that feel like black people cannot be racist. It's like you're kidding.
Speaker 1:You can be racist. What is it what you got? Thank you for that lovely answer. It says what is the opposite of.
Speaker 2:Massager. Oh, read that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, massager, but it says, massager is the root word. Yeah, that's the root word of it.
Speaker 2:Hate to talk, contempt or prejudice against men.
Speaker 1:Or boys.
Speaker 2:Or boys.
Speaker 1:So women are massager, so women are massager, so it's not massagenistic. But I mean it says what is the opposite of massagenistic, so it must be massager.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, Okay, hold on, I want to read it right, okay. What is the opposite of massagenistic? It says massager, and massager is hatred or contempt or prejudice against men or boys.
Speaker 1:Anybody in the room know what massager was. Sex is within the stuff. Now hold on.
Speaker 2:Let's look up the definition of massagenistic.
Speaker 1:What is massager, that's what it is Massager. So, if you like, sex is kind of weird because you're using the wrong definition.
Speaker 2:Okay, so strongly prejudiced against women is being massagenistic.
Speaker 3:Yes, but when it's against men, it's massager. You got one word.
Speaker 2:They do, they get stuck.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But then if it's pertaining to sex, it needs to say towards women or men. It just said the definition said towards women.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, Religate up. See over thinking. Understanding is an education.
Speaker 2:Sexism.
Speaker 1:Entertainment and education.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, no, no, I don't know where we got. I don't know where we got that Sex is you put sexism?
Speaker 1:is we put sex? This is our pop up. It was like women sex and then with sex sexism is based on sex. Yeah, both, that's both. Sex is whatever sex is. But T it was like female.
Speaker 2:It is what the people tip. Oh, no, no, no, typically, typically.
Speaker 1:So you can still be sexist against men, but all of the definition is a female.
Speaker 2:Oh, typically, what's the what's the fuck is that Like it's what about typically men?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and none of our question has been like I say the male walk into.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what a fuck wing.
Speaker 1:I know these apples of men. Yeah, like the.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay.
Speaker 1:What you got for me ready, oh.
Speaker 2:Oh, but I just came out for paternity leave and it was great. I'm glad I got the ball with my son.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean man do not need paternity leave. That's crazy. That's some sexist shit. Thank you, producer.
Speaker 2:Thank you, producer. That's some bullshit. That's sexist, sexist, sexist sex.
Speaker 3:That is a new thing. That hurt the last two years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, turn off some sirens or something, cause that's ridiculous. Why I can't have that time.
Speaker 1:Turn off that again you said man, shit ain't go on, we're trying to leave.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that part, that part.
Speaker 1:I did the boom. It wasn't always the same.
Speaker 2:You know why? Cause corporate world woke the fuck up and understood that, just as it's important for a mother to have that time to burn the child, it's important for a father, an involved father to have that time with the child. I'm just supposed to see him coming to this world and then I just have to go. But the mama can take her six weeks or whatever.
Speaker 1:I know the army got on track because the army used to be 12 days, so 10 days. Father's got 10 days and now they get 84 days. That is dope. 84 days, that's freaking amazing. And it's crazy because I have a scenario where one of my soldiers used to be married to the lady. They had a baby with her. They're not married anymore and they were like, can they still go and fraternity leave?
Speaker 1:But if you have a baby, like, as long as your name is on the birth certificate, you're able to go on a fraternity leave, and I think that's dope. It's just as it's involved. I think this is where it comes down to involved. It's hard because you could take that 84 days and be chilling with you could make a baby, sign the birth certificate and you could be somewhere with your girlfriend for 84 days. It's hard but, like you say, it's not for us to decide. I'm not finna, investigate all of it. If the man have a baby, just like a woman, it's not telling if that woman, okay. So just like this, in the service, you have, like this, maternity window for a whole year. You don't have to take a PT test, you don't have to wear your service uniform, stuff like that you can have a miscarriage and you still get that whole year.
Speaker 2:I don't know that.
Speaker 1:Yes, and like some women get pregnant just to stop you from going on deployment and all of that. So I feel like, yes, like regardless, you don't. You don't when I try to say like, investigate every woman that gets pregnant or not get pregnant. You can have a miscarriage and still be able to be out of the body for clients, be able to be out of the physical clients for a whole year. You can end it early, but most people take the whole year and some women be pregnant again at the end of that year.
Speaker 2:And that affects both parties. I mean, it may physically affect the woman, but emotionally immensely that affects both parties, both parties. You just got to come back, but they don't get enough time off of it but if we're going to say that it's important to grow up in a two-parent household, then we have to put the importance on a man being able to have paternity leave, just like a woman being able to have who's going to say that you think you need a two-parent household. A lot of people say that the stats show that.
Speaker 1:Two-parent households do better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what stats show.
Speaker 1:I think there's been children a little bit better.
Speaker 2:Lesbian children. Are we talking about two lesbians raising a kid? That's still a two-parent household.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get jumpers.
Speaker 2:I didn't say you had to be a man in a woman, but yeah, I'm a man in a woman, no shit.
Speaker 1:I get it. Two-parent households yeah.
Speaker 2:You know what? That was a great. We should have popped it off with that one, because that's some sexy shit.
Speaker 1:That is. But I can see how paternity leave was a big thing, so even your job. You haven't been out that long but you got what like two months.
Speaker 2:I've been, I've been going on three years.
Speaker 1:No dude for paternity leave.
Speaker 2:You said I haven't been there that long.
Speaker 1:No, I said yeah. But I'm saying like, okay, you've been there a long time three years, that's great. I'm saying how long has that paternity leave absence been in the state?
Speaker 3:For your company.
Speaker 1:Because I've been in the Army now years I'm almost a decade and I've been able to see it change. So that's what I mean by like.
Speaker 2:I didn't do the research to see when it had become a thing Because, honestly, I didn't care. It's in effect now, at a time when I needed it. But I do know as I talk to older consultants they say back then we did not have that luxury. But also, with that being said, my EVP. They all are like forward, like have that time with your son. Matter of fact, paternity leave for me was supposed to be six weeks, six weeks, but I asked for eight weeks and I have a supportive company that embraced me having that time and told me to take that time to deal with something.
Speaker 1:So you feel like that's six weeks Like how long has my paternity leave it to be down to I?
Speaker 2:feel it's the same amount of time Six weeks oh that's crazy.
Speaker 1:So that mean a baby would be what a month and a half?
Speaker 2:Now you're getting off into something else. No, I understand as far as to say how much time you said it's about the same time.
Speaker 1:I want the answer. I bet you there's nothing. I bet you, the woman gets longer than I could bet it Let me see, I might better get that answer. Yeah, I bet you, the women, get longer than six Because six weeks is kind of short. I think six weeks is like very short. All right, what you think you think six weeks is kind of short yeah, I think that's kind of short. What you think Seana Is average six weeks. Your job was the same thing. Good job doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:Got you 12 to 16 weeks for maternity leave.
Speaker 1:That makes it.
Speaker 2:That's for and that's paid. You know what I'm going to say. Part of that is because of the physical healing. Of the woman, and I built that. Yes. What about a man? Mentally I was right, though, with you from day one.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, them fairbones have me sleepy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they had me picking up weight. Yeah, I heard getting an stipend.
Speaker 3:But I'm good, I get it.
Speaker 2:I.
Speaker 3:Every. Someone just agree yeah, so there's a great I work.
Speaker 2:I work with a. I work with an older lady and she said, when they gave her her time off, she said after six weeks she was ready to go back to work.
Speaker 3:She, she, she wanted to get back to work.
Speaker 2:But you just said, they need.
Speaker 1:I agree, I think it's hard, though I think it's hard, especially like I can say like a Parent that is actually there and like there with the child, like it's help, it's help. So, like that we thinking about, like a good mom was there with the baby right, we got mothers that don't eat a child, I think the baby is for, or not even taking care of the child, like the mama has the baby or somebody still the same Loss. It doesn't mean that their physical body is not affected and their mental body is not affected. That's why I say like it's just not black and white, because people circumstances yeah, like people circumstances be different. Some women and not motherly even when they have a child, but they're not even and it's like you bring us back to work.
Speaker 3:But like you understand, maybe they should bring.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe they should, but I knew it wasn't the same thing, because women and like I say I get it. I think we always say we get it, you push the baby out, you got your stuff going on. It's different, but I knew it wasn't the same. I know it wasn't and maybe that's sexist, but then itself, like the father.
Speaker 2:Maybe, maybe this maternity slash, paternity, jumps on the same wavelength as the whole transgender athlete. What you mean? Because we're talking about physical capabilities of a man versus a woman, the woman having the actual body go through a chain. Creating life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I will say it's not fair to compare the two, I will say that it's bullshit.
Speaker 2:Though say that a man don't deserve time off.
Speaker 3:I.
Speaker 1:Definitely even a parent in general.
Speaker 2:I think that what a secondary Apparently whatever you deserve Off to be with that child and I won't even, I won't even argue with the time frame of Women getting more than man.
Speaker 1:Army getting three months. That's actually beautiful, that's dope.
Speaker 2:I'll just say I am appreciative that I worked for a company that not only Provided me with the option to take the turn to leave, but also Encourage me to take more time if I needed it. And it didn't. And I wasn't penalized for nothing, because even when I asked for the eight weeks I was told I could take the eight weeks. But if I feel I need more time, then we have a conversation and we adjust to it. But I could have taken more time, but I could only get six weeks paid. I'm just fortunate enough that my job told me don't worry about being paid through the, the leave of absence. You know process. Those additional two weeks that you asked for we will still pay for.
Speaker 1:That's dope, yeah. Last question, another woman question? Yeah, I definitely think do. Thank you, tiana. That was a good point. A lot of dudes are Making themselves taller or feeling like we have a positive. That's fine too. Like we see, like, yes, like beard stenders, and you're not a man if you are certain, even with women Is great at it. I'm not dating a man under five, six You're what are you talking about? But if you say a woman boobs hangs too low or she had so many kids, I don't like that much. But you can't date a short guy. You're not a man if you Shorter than six foot. Yes, yes, yes, they are lucky. That's just they are. That's what it is.
Speaker 2:But I Think it's all about what we want to come together and and celebrate, to bring up sex. You read again you know, send it a certain. Let's go back to a certain. At a certain point, women were supposed to be classy as, even as rappers and Singers and stuff like that. And now, now, today, a woman can be celebrated for being reacted. I mean, who's the state does a certain way that a woman should be Celebrated or push?
Speaker 1:You know, it's all about what we want to choose to, to give the nod to yeah, I know from what she was saying about the media portraying a horrible stereo, stereotypes and standard. I think that's always been a thing like the back in the day with the corsets, like so a lot of the stuff that's got bigger now been going on. It's been transgender people, it's been people doing life, life liposuction, look visit, or like starving they say I was. They have a certain ways one like what you say. It all goes back to society. I don't think it's just like the media portraying it, because back in the day when we talking like Washington Day, they weren't the guys weren't the fake weed so they bowed at it, or they weren't in two pays like some stuff been around. It just wasn't like super Public, like the guys getting the male Bbls and stuff and getting the freakin Albs and stuff at it.
Speaker 1:What are they doing it for? Because that is what society looks for, and man, in a certain way, I think.
Speaker 2:I think. I think there's a, I think there's a change taking place, you understand, cuz yeah, it's so. For one, it has always been this, this it used to be this whole idea of being thin. I'm saying the model has to be super thin. Today we celebrate thick women. Yeah, but cultural, yeah, no you don't think it's cultural.
Speaker 1:No because in different parts of the world, thick women has always been celebrated.
Speaker 1:That's why I said that it's just, it's hard. That's why I say you know, my biggest thing me traveling world You've got to see how clothes off, even if you could travel all over the United States A lot of stuff you can go to different states and see the difference and what they think is attractive and not attract. But it's a it's statues are like, especially in, like the Caribbean, thick women but and it means like we took a picture with it what was we at? I forgot about, but thick women all over the place and it like literally the statue other place is a voluptuous woman and it said that this is the standard for that, why I say like it's just hard To what people push and what being seen is what me personally, I feel like it's what you choose to view because it's there everywhere.
Speaker 2:There's an audience for whatever you like.
Speaker 1:There's a group for whatever you want to be like oh man, they push in this, like they need other things because that buys the father is that and dad buys it forever. Be popping because it's more realistic. Some people I heard a female say like I don't want to go out. He looks hungry, like that's. That's the opinion to some people yeah and some people love muscles.
Speaker 1:Some people cannot stand the state of no big. I want that, I'm. I'm that way, I'm, maybe not. I don't want no super skinny like you look hungry, it's not. You need a burger. Smack this ass where.
Speaker 2:I think we should just push health, being healthy and healthy. Healthy is in all different shapes and sizes, but I think it's just push being healthy. But I mean.
Speaker 1:I know women, like I say once again, like super miles. If a company want their super miles to be 10 and it sucks, unhealthy, um ways of going about it might suck, but I don't think that social media always the super skin is.
Speaker 2:But this been everywhere so maybe they don't push the super skinny, but but media pushes an image and it's up to it's up to us, if we want to, to allow it to Push the way we think and perceive of ourselves. Kanye West said do you want a boss or an r&b nigga with a six-pack? This teaches on.
Speaker 1:You're in uh making a lot of reference.
Speaker 2:Like music.
Speaker 1:I Changed.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm big on music.
Speaker 1:It would be. I love music in.
Speaker 2:I have my moments where I want to be violent and I have my moments where I want to be and I have my moments where I want to stress.
Speaker 1:You got the six red moment too.
Speaker 2:No. I'm sexy red.
Speaker 1:You know almost the whole song. I hear it, I'm sexy red, if you Come across it, stephanie.
Speaker 2:Curry.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, what was we at? We was at. We was at a basketball game, the women's basketball game.
Speaker 1:And you should have seen, because these feminists thank you, sisters.
Speaker 2:They were young women young ladies and the dj played. Skid and when I say the gym got the rocking, it got the rocking.
Speaker 3:I'm there.
Speaker 2:I'm there and I heard it and I remember something loose, because I was like did she just say, did she just say?
Speaker 1:It was catchy. You probably got in the car just to do something. I said I do all the way home.
Speaker 2:You, just you. It depends on what mood I am, because I'm sure, like I'm sure, I'm sure our sister was probably in the back, like what he going through, because I was playing like the, like the, the vibe on the way here, not nothing, it was nothing violent, for For at least an hour and a half it was just. It was just all of the. It was like r&b, you know what I'm saying. But it wasn't. I want to say it was love making, but it was kind of like it was chill music, nothing, nothing violent. And then at a certain point I wanted to get a little rowdy, so I got a little violent. But there's a time and a place for everything. But I feel like I'm well versed because I will also put some jazz on in a minute. I don't want to hear nobody talk. Or Now they got chill hop. I love chill hop.
Speaker 1:What is that?
Speaker 2:It's instrumental to chill like chill music. You know what I'm saying. Sometimes I don't want to hear no words. I just want to you know what I'm saying. I just want that, that ambience, yeah, just that flow in the background.
Speaker 1:I think, yeah, is that? It that all our questions? I'm with what you got.
Speaker 2:I just want to say for the record Me and this one here Are not sexy. We are not sexist, it's some sex For the record we are not sexist, don't?
Speaker 2:the guest is speaking and I'm the one who actually in front of the camera right now. I want to shout out to the producer, I want to shout out to my sister, because we came to this, because Sometimes people like to call us sexist, and now we understand it. It's not necessarily. No, I was. I was going on the wrong page. By definition, it could be sex, but it also could stem from the way you were raised, your household and your viewpoints. But we got too many people in this room, in the studio, I think. I think we might need to start shredding some layers. You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying yeah, I know, get some males in here but um, before before, before you, um, before you wrap it up, I want to say that the, the, the podcast itself, has a great concept. Yeah, with the title of over thinking understand. And no matter how many times.
Speaker 1:I'm on.
Speaker 2:No matter how many times I'm on this podcast or listening to this podcast, I'm gonna I always let you know I'm proud of you for stepping out and doing and and not just talking about Wanting to do something, but actually putting some action behind it. And so I want you to continue to keep doing that and I want you to not be afraid to talk about the topics that that people shy away from, because nobody could cancel you but you.
Speaker 1:You're racist. Or sexist or sexist by definition, and that's by definition you racist sexist. Sondry and sogy, nasty and homophobic. So just leave it alone, just don't cancel this podcast. Understood, you know, I like, I like that.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:I appreciate you coming on. I always try to get my brother to do so. You know we got it. I know only got him on here. Was this your second time?
Speaker 2:Yeah, this my second time, but I think the first time around you try to tell yourself that you're gonna speak, speak openly, but in the back of your head sometimes you're nervous and you, you got like this light on, you got this mic on, you know you're being recorded, so you kind of just like, yes, no, yes, I Agree, and I and I'm glad that this time around, like we were a little bit more loose, and I think that that's going to be something that could be carried on for For more episodes and.
Speaker 2:I think it brings better content, because I'm I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Somebody To give him credit. Our first episode was over the camera. We always said like us together would have been better anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's why I think some of your episodes, if you're not on camera, you'll be surprised what type of what type of response you get from individuals, because me and you talk about some of the crazy shit on the phone.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, and so I think.
Speaker 2:Cooper, and it'll be cool It'll be cool to. It'll be cool to bring that to the camera. Or even if it's not to the camera, it'll be cool to bring that to an audience.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's recorded.
Speaker 1:No, most definitely that me, me indeed bump is we agree or we bump it. I feel like, out of all of the siblings, like like our little brother Cooper, he kind of like grows us up more or is like the knowledge and the stuff that he's been through that he do. But we I feel like as growing and forcing Somebody to grow off of perspective and understanding that your perspective is not, that's not how to be another person perspective. As many as I get situations we have been through as just like yeah, I don't, I don't do like that, like I ain't doing it anymore.
Speaker 2:You kind of just, you just kind of see, like yeah, we're not doing it and it's okay to agree, to disagree, yeah, um, the biggest thing is just being respectful that other people's viewpoints and that's uh, that's a big one for me. And that can go across many of topics and I hope you know, I'm saying I hope that I can be around to be a part of the future topics, because it all boils down to respect.
Speaker 1:The boundaries of being respectful.
Speaker 2:Because we all live in this world together, but Individually. We all live in our own world, because you cannot tell me how I feel or how I perceive things, or how I how I view things I do about that or put them in a hospital. Episode four, season one Perception, your perception is not reality.
Speaker 1:Your perception is your reality. Your perception is you're here first. Check out that episode, your perception, my brother, I will say if nobody gonna listen to my, to my pocket. My brother was too. I didn't want to put them in a house to see if he knew the title, but it's called your perception is your reality, which is true. The way you proceed, the world and your mind is your reality, but it's not my.
Speaker 2:My social media is youtube and snapchat. Okay, um, I don't want to be followed, but follow no Everybody to follow, but um, when they bore down to it uh, follow everything and understanding on every platform available. Oh shout out to the producer Um, shout out to the, the special guest that was in the background that kept delivering her two cents that we didn't ask for.
Speaker 1:Um and shout out to my sister. Man, yeah, anything else.
Speaker 2:No, I said what I said All right.
Speaker 1:I'm standing on business standing on business and, just like I said, um, we had a soldier that previously lost their life, uh, due to a car crash.
Speaker 1:Another soldier was over 100 100 miles an hour and, uh, taken another soldier's life and that soldier left behind a wife and four kids. So I just like to say once again, rest in peace, to stop, sergeant forbidden, and rest in peace as hard, first class Williams, and just do a moment in silence and that's it. Like I can say, life is short. Leave your life the way that you want to live it. There's a short piece of life that we do have. I don't care if you live to 100, is we in 2023, like regards if you live to a hundred, it's a short piece of life in the whole big scheme of things. So, live your life as you see fit, as long as you ain't hurting nobody, you know, harming anybody or harming yourself. Live your life the way that you see fit. I really, really hope you guys enjoyed this episode as much as I enjoyed making it with this crazy man right here, ski.
Speaker 1:Like I say, like everybody entitled to the their opinion, all the opinions that are expressed on over thing, understanding Podcast does not mean that we Agree with those opinions, but everybody has a right today on the pain and, like always, until next time, be genuine to yourself and be kind to people. Thank y'all for checking out this episode.