Secrets From a Coach - Debbie Green & Laura Thomson's Podcast
184. Creating Career Lightbulb Moments
Our latest series is all about Redefining Careers and this second episode looks at the power a 'lightbulb moment' can have on the choices and options that open up to us. We discuss just how many skills are transferable and therefore we can keep empowered in the knowledge that you can shift industries or levels if you want to. Your technical expertise will only get you so far, at some point you have to be able to work with people, and this lightbulb moment can liberate ourselves to realise we always have a choice.
By sharing our observations on the career conversations we see happening in coaching and on workshops, we discuss practical steps to break the HERD mentality that might be holding you back. Take 5 mins to reflect on what makes you Happy, get Exposure to remind yourself of the big wide world that is out there, Realise your amazing skillset and then Do one thing that starts a chain of events. It might take you 10 years to arrive, but that is better than 10 years stuck full of regret. There is no one path, or one type of person who is more able to succeed at work than another. We all do it in our own way and it is never too late or too early to make the decision to make yourself happy in the work that you do.
Curious for more?
Ep. 178 Thriving in a Busy Worklife - with guest Alexis Neighbour - make time to think
Ep. 169 Knowing Your Personal Saboteurs - recognise what might hold yourself back
Ep. 162 Owning Your Success Story - shifting from actor to author creates self-belief
Ep. 157 Making a Mid-Life Career Shift - hear how Damien turned Tai Chi into his job
Our latest series is all about Redefining Careers and this second episode looks at the power a 'lightbulb moment' can have on the choices and options that open up to us. We discuss just how many skills are transferable and therefore we can keep empowered in the knowledge that you can shift industries or levels if you want to. Your technical expertise will only get you so far, at some point you have to be able to work with people, and this lightbulb moment can liberate ourselves to realise we always have a choice.
By sharing our observations on the career conversations we see happening in coaching and on workshops, we discuss practical steps to break the HERD mentality that might be holding you back. Take 5 mins to reflect on what makes you Happy, get Exposure to remind yourself of the big wide world that is out there, Realise your amazing skillset and then Do one thing that starts a chain of events. It might take you 10 years to arrive, but that is better than 10 years stuck full of regret. There is no one path, or one type of person who is more able to succeed at work than another. We all do it in our own way and it is never too late or too early to make the decision to make yourself happy in the work that you do.
Curious for more?
Ep. 178 Thriving in a Busy Worklife - with guest Alexis Neighbour - make time to think
Ep. 169 Knowing Your Personal Saboteurs - recognise what might hold yourself back
Ep. 162 Owning Your Success Story - shifting from actor to author creates self-belief
Ep. 157 Making a Mid-Life Career Shift - hear how Damien turned Tai Chi into his job
Secrets from a coach thrive and maximize your potential in the evolving workplace. Your weekly podcast with debbie green of wishfish and laura thompson, stavely of phenomenal training. Deb's law, you all right? Yeah, I'll tell you it's been a full-on couple of weeks.
Speaker 2:It has for you, and I know you've got a voice to prove it as well, haven't you? Not through singing?
Speaker 1:though. No, my karaoke days are gone, I think Debs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have had a busy week. Tell us what you've been up to Law.
Speaker 1:Well, as always, everything is content, isn't it? And it really links, I think, to the current series we're looking at, which is Redefining Careers. I've been working with a completely fresh industry to us all as a team, in a completely different country, other side of the world. And do you know what, debs? Those flip charts are the same and I've had some real eye-opening moments this last couple of weeks. No matter who you are, whatever industry you're in, whatever country you're in, at some point your technical skill set will get you so far.
Speaker 1:It's those soft skills the ability to manage upwards, the ability to articulate value to different parts of the organization who don't really know what you're doing. The ability to articulate value to different parts of the organization who don't really know what you're doing. The ability to keep motivated, even if you might be working in sort of new and different ways, working with people that irritate or annoy you. How do you adjust your communication style? So all of these things that can be blockers to doing the job actually require those transferable skills.
Speaker 1:And I think one of the things I just feel so grateful for, debs I know all of us in the team feel is because we get to poke around different industries, different levels around different organizations, you realize just how much similarity there is and from a career point of view, I think sometimes it can be easy to sort of write yourself off. This is the career I'm in and I'm stuck here, even if it doesn't, you know, float your boat anymore. But actually there is a wide ocean out there, lots of opportunity, where there's so much similarity that from a redefining career point of view, there are lots of different options. You just might not see it because you're so entrenched in what you're currently doing it's.
Speaker 2:It is fascinating and I echo what you said. I you know, I had a coaching session with somebody yesterday who is incredibly um high in their career um, a deputy head teacher and so they've been doing it for a long while, but they decided that they had their two children after the second child decided they'd go back into the classroom to teach because they wanted to have that life, work, harmony going on. It actually has still been. Now, a year and a half later, is finding that the calling if you want, inverted commas around leadership is still there. But what the conversation inspired yesterday was fascinating. So we went from what do you want your career to be about, which is what they were talking about. And then there was this light bulb moment as they were exploring the different options that they had and they were talking about the bit they love about the job that they do. The bit they really find incredibly impactful and humbling is the impact that they can have on the children and that that is what's really really, really important to them. So their purpose is to enable people to know young people, their teaching assistants, whoever they're working with in their classroom that they can do whatever they choose to do.
Speaker 2:And, as we were going through this conversation, what came out of it was a bit of a shopping list as to what that person's career defining moment is going to be. And it's diversifying. They're taking their current skill set by diversifying it into the world of transactional analysis how does that operate? Parent, adult, child, all of that stuff that we do in our day jobs but they're actually going. Oh, my god, I'm going to go. That's what I'm going to do, linking it with well-being, linking it with helping young children and supporting them to be great humans and recognizing the impact that, um, you know we can have.
Speaker 2:She has on the that younger generation coming into school, so that you know three, that four to seven age range, which is pivotal in their learning and their development, and that is where she's now going to focus her career, moving forward. So she knows she's got a lot of study ahead of her. She's not afraid of that. But it was literally yesterday. You could feel the fizz in the room as the penny dropped for her. As to, this is actually a career defining moment for me and that's that's the privileged position we're in. Right, it was all her thinking. We just gave her the space to explore love it dibs.
Speaker 1:Light bulb moment what a great way to define it. Equally, I think a light bulb moment certainly that I've seen is often now. Adults are so busy and if you're holding down a job, working out a busy life, all of those responsibilities, sometimes a learning environment like a workshop is the first moment that adult has had to just sit, process, reflect and catch up. And that really powerful exercise that I've borrowed from you, which is who I am, is how I lead, or who I am is how I train, whatever that role might be, whether you're a trainer, a leader, whatever that might be. And just taking a moment to write down for eight minutes who I am is how I lead. So who am I? And just taking that moment, and what's your instruction? It's don't leave your pen from the paper, just keep on writing, just keep on writing. And then that purpose stuff.
Speaker 1:So what brings me a high in what I do? Because that tends to give you an insight into what your calling is or the reason why you're here. So the highs that you've experienced so far in your work life. And then your values can be quite quickly identified by what has brought you a low, what has upset you, what has just left a bit of a mark on you, because that's often when your values are being sort of trodden over. So if you've been over-promised and you never got that promotion, it really hurts. If integrity is a core value of yours, so although it might not have been pleasant at the time, it shines a light on actually that's because I really value integrity and once you know what you value, you can then resolve dilemmas and make courageous decisions. So I think the light bulb moment that you had with your person in coaching is where this is what I'm going to be doing next.
Speaker 1:I also see light bulb moments of people going. I understand now all of those weird and wonderful experiences I've had. I get it, it wasn't random, it wasn't because I was failing at that time, it's because actually now I can reflect on that, I can join all those dots up and I can see that that actually has now given me a real wealth of experience, rather than someone maybe feeling a bit kind of you know embarrassed about their career or doesn't even feel like a career, it just feels like a series of jobs that they just kind of left and started. So I've seen some moments where actually it can be quite a powerful moment of people going started. So I've seen some moments where actually it can be quite a powerful moment of people going oh my God, I can do anything Because actually now I can see there was a rationale and a logic. It didn't feel very rational or logic at the time, but I can join the dots up Now.
Speaker 2:I can map out what the next stage might look like. Yeah, and it can happen at any time, right, laura? And you know? We've seen that on a couple of workshops that we were doing a little while back now, all around purpose and values with another client, and you saw people literally go what am I doing? Oh, my god, I'm, I'm in the, I'm in the wrong job, I'm in the wrong. This, I'm in the wrong. This isn't filling my heart with joy. Um, and so, as a result of having that space to think which you know we create for people in the workshops, what they choose to do with that is theirs. But people did leave their current role because they weren't living on purpose or it just gave them that moment to really think about their career to date. And is that what they do want to be doing for the next 20, 30, 40 years, which you know we always bring it? You always say that you know we go through phases in our career, right? What do you always say? We have our dawn.
Speaker 1:Our dawn, our noon and our twilight, our dusk of our career.
Speaker 2:That's it.
Speaker 1:Whatever stage you're at you're a living, breathing human being.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's really important that that. So it doesn't matter when, but that always fascinates me. You give people space to think, pause, reflect, decide and then they can make a choice, and that's what it's all about, right? So, yeah, as a result of having that learning, um, people left and went and did. Something else, and that was one of the outcomes that was okay from this workshop was, if people leave, that's brilliant, because they are then on their path to whatever they want to do. But, lauren, let me ask you a question. You must have had some career defining moments for yourself. What were they and when did they happen, and how have they ended up with you being here All?
Speaker 1:right, Deb. So how long have you got being here? All right, Deb, so how long have you got? So it really moved me when I was hearing Andy Pooley, our guest last week, talk about the blip in his career. So for him it was an unexpected set of results at A-level stage and he then had the wherewithal and the relationships and all that stuff he talked about that enabled him to turn that. Rather than sitting as a chip on his shoulder, he flipped it then to open up some doors and get to do all the things that he then went on to do.
Speaker 1:I kind of had a similar blip. So, interesting, Debs, I'm quite a future-focused vision sort of. You know I like to have a plan. I don't know if that has to do with being Capricorn, but I might be late for things most days, but I know where I want to be in five years' time. So I'm that type of person. Were you on time? No, but it was the right year. So it really cut quite deep when there was an unexpected blip in my career. So I'd left a job that I probably could have been in for years and years, um got headhunted out to then go to a company that seemed to be more stable than what it was. 2008, 2009 recession happened. Our company got sliced. It sliced like sliced apart. I got put um, made um, put into administration. So there I was with 37.5 hours times by a minimal wage. I'd only been there for 11 months literally just kind of left this job
Speaker 1:with absolutely nothing Now. At the time I didn't have the various responsibilities and stuff that I do now and I'd always secretly wanted to be a freelancer. So I'd always been in the world of L&D and I wrote my career plan when I was stuck on a train, having had a bit of a miserable meeting, thinking God, that was so boring, and I wrote my career plan on the back of a train ticket. So yeah, it was on the way back from a night out after work and thinking something doesn't feel quite right and I wrote just on the back of a train ticket ideally three more years in this job and then I really want to be a freelancer. So what does that mean to enable me to set that up?
Speaker 1:As it happened, me writing that on the back of a train ticket must have set some unexpected chain of events, because within about 11 months I sort of had that option Do I go and get another big job in training or do I do what I've always secretly wanted to do, which is to set up on my own and, as it happened, the company that had been put down? I'd already started to put some feelers out to then get some training courses kind of sold with this client it was a recruitment business that wanted to sell training on the side picked up the phone with a shaking hand saying hello, you know, that course, we've got booked. How about if we do it sole trader rather than that company? And the client said well, as long as it's you, that's fine. Put the phone down. I thought, oh, my God, that's it, I've made it happen.
Speaker 1:So, that career defining moment of heart pumping, handshaking, picking up the phone, making that call. I could have taken so many different options in that moment. But 17 years on, I look back on that and I just think go on, girl. That was that moment. But it wasn't. In that moment I decided oh, I think I might set up on my own and be independent. It always been this kind of secret desire for freedom, to be able to have choice and variety. I'm quite a novel seeker type of person, so the thought of doing the same thing every day is not exciting for me. But funny enough, debs, because there are so many transferable skills, it is the same thing every day. It's just the clients are different and the people are different and there's lots of variety and energy.
Speaker 1:But it's quite interesting now when, at the time which we were recording this, a lot of people are starting to ask us in the breaks and at lunchtimes about career stories and thoughts that they've then had and I totally empathize with. It's not as simple as clicking your hand fingers and going that's it, I'm going to get a new job. You know it might take years to exit what you're doing because you need to get your personal life stable enough and whether you want to work or whether you have to work, most of us need to have some monthly income that comes in to be able to meet all the needs. So, but I think nothing stops you from having that desire in your mind. So you might be there feeling a little bit kind of caged in with the job you're doing.
Speaker 1:But if in your mind, like that woman you were talking about, you are in your mind training up to do something different, dreaming up new hustle ideas no one can control where your mind goes. You know your body might be in the role that you're in at that moment. So that's probably where my kind of career defining moment was. I was forced to make a decision. As it happened I'd already had a thought about. I think secretly I want to do that and be independent. What I now know is is for about six years I was solo, but there's no way I could have done the extra decades that I've done so far had it not been for me and you, the others in our team. So, um, a lone wolf it's fun because it exposes you to lots of different experiences, but at some point you've got to be part of a pack to be able to keep it going decades rather than just just just a few years yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:Oh, my god, I so echo, um, that mine has been more um around defining moments, as you said. I love the fact it might not happen immediately, it might take years, and you just made me think that the people that have given me the opportunity to make me think about my where I'm going. So, um, way back when I trained as a medical secretary and that's what I thought I was going to do was be exec assistant PA, that type of thing I did do that for a little while but worked with an amazing, amazing lady and I know I've spoken about her before who recognised that I was more than a secretary. Nothing wrong with that, I loved it. But she gave me opportunity to get into the world of personnel at the time by helping her with recruitment and doing some induction, training and stuff like that which I never in a million years thought I would do. She then retired, which meant I then left and then went on to do something else in personnel. So she sort of sparked that interest for me. So that was way back in 1983. Wow.
Speaker 2:And then in 1994, I had the opportunity to work with another amazing lady who I was in HR at the time, who said you can really do L&D. If you really want to do it, you're going to have to do it, but do both jobs because we can't pay you for extra hours. But so if you really want to get into the L&D space, coaching because I believe that is your forte and she gave me the opportunity to do that so that was back in 1994, which is like feels like an eon ago. And then, obviously, through redundancies, yada, yada, yada. So in 2005 I made that, that decision to go out on my own because I couldn't do any more redundancies and I know I've spoken that before. So when you think of, actually it took decades you know, over 10 years in some cases for me to one believe in myself that I could and then to go out and do it, set up, you know, wishfish in 2005.
Speaker 2:And, as you said, chance encounter, meeting you you, because I think, had I not met you, um, in whenever. That was 2011, 11, I think. It was. So not quite a decade later, but 2011, ish, um, because you're right, you can't I, but you cannot sustain that level of being on your own without having people around you, and I think that's what I missed around working was I didn't have people to bounce off of.
Speaker 2:So the minute we got involved in what we do together, it just felt right. And, as you say, here we are now still doing stuff, still bringing in different experiences. The team is widened. We've got different people come in and support us in different workshops as well, and you know what? Yeah, I'm doing what I was meant to be doing and I just love it. It's not work. It's just a joy at times to come in and just go. Yeah, actually, this is what I was put in this world to do and it's that. But had it not been for some of those people, then I may not have been sitting here today doing what I'm doing today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, it really is, and I know what you're saying about it doesn't feel like work. It's the hard work is the travel, the journeying, the dealing with all the sort of bits and bobs. But when you're there in that moment doing, you know, running a session or doing that coaching, it's the. This is what I was meant to be here. I'll tell you what can be quite interesting as a hotline. So if you're listening to this, thinking, what am I here to do? I love asking people the question what did you get told off for at school?
Speaker 2:So what did you get told off for at school?
Speaker 1:I'm a big booming voice that disrupted the class, always, like you know, looking for an opportunity to make people laugh. And I was never knowingly rude, but I was an entertainer really with that, which is somehow as a kid who had spots, glasses and was overweight, I somehow swerved getting bullied because I didn't have to bully to not be bullied. But I was that entertainer and you know I can see that now that if someone were to see me in the class at age 10, 15, they all the stuff I used to get told off for. You know, there was time, there's moments every now and then when I think I'd love to go back to those teachers that told me off for having a big, booming voice. Look at me now that.
Speaker 2:Julia.
Speaker 1:Roberts moment back in the shop. Yeah, big mistake, big big mistake. And what? What seemed like, oh, I need to keep quiet because I'm disruptive. I mean, of course, there are things you need to do to channel that disruptive bit, but that, that, that stuff that you get told off for as a kid breaking things apart, always asking questions as to why stuff needs to be done, disrupting the group because you um, you know, want to bring a bit of fun in those types of things can give you a bit of an insight into when I'm at my happiest. What am I playing around with, what am I tinkering with? And are there some things that I can bring to my work life that allow me to access that passion? Because I think you can do a job that you don't like for a couple of years, but for a couple of decades. There's got to be stronger, something more stronger and compelling than just, you know, eat, sleep, work, repeat. How about you?
Speaker 2:well, mine was the opposite. Mine was always about stop talking. Um, I was always the one checking in with everybody. Are you all right? You sure all right? I don't think that's right. Let me help you with that. Always doing that supportive, helping, um, and making sure everyone else was okay, but very quietly, but always talking. So stop talking, concentrate more, focus on what you're doing rather than focus on everybody else. And it's really interesting that you think oh, okay then. And then I was always told you're.
Speaker 2:When I went into the world of work, then I had one boss that said to me you'll never make a HR director because you are too much of a champion's cause, you're too much for all the people. And I went maybe I don't want to be like you, I'm quite happy being a champion's cause. And I left soon after that. I chose not. I didn't get pushed out, but it was really interesting that it's always for me, it's always about making sure people are right.
Speaker 2:I always call out bad behavior. Even at school I used to like you can't say that I used to get in lots of trouble because I'd stand up for somebody else and then wonder why it was me that was getting told off. Stop talking, stop, you know. So that was mine, really, and I think that sort of plays out so that quietly in the background, looking out for people, supporting people, making sure everyone's all right, bringing them all together, calling out behaviour disrupting other people's perception of others yeah, and it's funny, isn't it, how it all turns out when you look back. It's a good question to ask isn't it?
Speaker 1:Well, it is. And having spent a couple of days in the room, not with you but also with our amazing colleague Linz, who talks so brilliantly about the behaviour drivers and how those first nought to six to seven years really shape and influence who we are and for all the things that we might need to watch out for that can sabotage ourselves, the people-pleaser driver, those types of things. But equally, if that was you at your core, the chatty one, the helpful one, the one that likes to make people laugh or the one that just likes to get stuff fixed and done, if that was you at your core before all of those new external influences came in, then that gives a bit of a torchlight really into, well, what's actually inside at the core before the world started to shape me outside in, what was inside out with that. And I think it can be quite an interesting conversation to start with an adult. You know, when you're having a chat over lunch and people say you know, you got me thinking.
Speaker 1:Actually, you know, maybe I've been in this role for too long, but I think I've become institutionalized and to immediately to be able to reassure someone saying it literally is all the same at some point, the technical ability of what you do, the soft skills and their transferable skills. So if you're clear on who you are and the impact you want to have, what is important to you in terms of how you want to work with people, your values and a bit of an understanding as to actually recognizing the skill set and the brilliance that you have, you just might be so used to it you can't see it anymore. That's sort of the first step, and then the second step is you know what do you fancy doing? And that can be quite an overwhelming choice. But to ask that question then of what did you get told off at school? It actually enables people to sort of look at the real them, not just the CV version of themselves. That might have been some random reasons as to why someone fell into that role.
Speaker 2:Hmm, yeah, it's such a good way of looking at it because you can do what you want to do. You might do it voluntarily, you might do it outside of your current work, but I think you've got to find what brings you joy and if that is changing your career completely, and if you can doing that, if it's volunteering because you can't change your career completely because of other circumstances you can still do what you love to do that brings you joy and just lights you up. You know, when somebody is working on purpose, you see it, it comes out of them. Like my coaching client yesterday, everything physically because we did it face to face just shifted and she literally fizzed is the word that she used to describe her feeling. Should I feel like I'm fizzing? And it was. You could see it, because that was that moment, that pivotal moment for her, where it all made sense and that sometimes that's what it's about. So, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1:I absolutely love it. I'm also conscious as well that the the whole world of neurodivergence and diversity and inclusion is is a real hot topic in the world of neurodivergence and diversity and inclusion is a real hot topic in the world of work at the moment. And I think also a light bulb moment can be and I've seen it in a couple of friends is where are the people where I will feel like I can be myself with as well? So not only is there that industry, but there's also the type of people that get attracted to that industry. So what's interesting, debs, is the flip charts might look the same, but how, the different people in the different industries and the type of person that gets attracted to a highly detailed industry or a entertainment industry, the type of people that get attracted to those industries that also is something I think worth having to consider.
Speaker 1:So who are the people with whom I feel like I can be me with, rather than having to pretend and mask? And there are different cultures, different workplace cultures that you don't have to always pretend to not be the real you, if you are someone with whom has got some characteristics of how you like to work or some things that really trigger you. There'll be a pocket of people somewhere who would welcome that in with open arms. You don't have to stay stuck with the people that don't feel like you're, they're your people, or that you're not accepted, and I think that's going to be a real hot topic of the remainder of this decade as well yeah is if we want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, find your. Find your people as well as your industry.
Speaker 1:The flip charts might look the same, so what people do is is is really similar, but actually how that's done and the and the and the the mode of how people operate there are. There are some differences, so different industries can sometimes do the same things but in an entirely different way, because the people that are attracted to that industry might be quite different. So that's also, I think, a bit of an eye-opener for anyone who feels that they haven't got the skills to be going to a different industry. It's finding your people as well.
Speaker 2:And we're very privileged right to be in the room with various people across a huge diverse background, experiences, cultures, and I think I always pinch myself sometimes. I'm super privileged to be doing what we do and you just go wow. People are amazing and if they can tap into their amazingness, they can do what they want to do. It's just, I suppose, we provide them the space that gets them to pause and reflect on themselves. That then enables them to have choice, and for me, that's what it's all about. How can we give people more choice.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, debs. Let's have a look at a practical set of steps, so, either for yourself or someone with whom you know, just as an enabler to enable that choice. So, debs, you know we love a mnemonic, is that how you say it?
Speaker 2:I'm a mnemonic I think that, yeah, we do love a mnemonic.
Speaker 1:So if you feel like you are stuck in that herd, that herd mentality this is what I I'm doing, this is all I can ever do and you feel like you're part of that herd h-e-r-d. Well, we've got a four-step approach, phased approach based on what we've seen and our team have seen, when people start to have these light bulb moments and these career redefining opportunities, that happen. So the first thing is happy, what makes you happy? And that question what did you get told off for at school can start that thought process and sometimes just in five minutes, just sitting there with nothing else to do, asking yourself what makes me happy? What did I get told off for at school? What have I enjoyed the most about my work life so far? That can give some insight, because if you've enjoyed it in the past, you're likely to enjoy it again in the future. How can you get more of that? So that's your H. Get more of that? So that's your H.
Speaker 1:The E is exposure. So once you've had that little conversation with yourself, where might be useful to just spark some of that energy and activity? If you're an extrovert, you might want to go and meet some more people plural. If you're an introvert. It might be a one-to-one conversation or having a look on the internet or just getting some kind of exposure to the different experiences and the different options that are out there.
Speaker 1:Your R and I know you're a massive one for this Debs is to realize your skill set. So what are some of those things that you might not realize that you do every day is superhero level skills because you just do them and they're so habitable and patternable for you now, but to someone else that might be an amazing skill set. So what are some of those top skills? Just to recognize that skill set. And then the D is do it.
Speaker 1:What could be one action and I know you're going to give us a call to action in a moment that could just help start a chain of events on your terms, on your timeframes, and it might be that it takes years for that chain of events to arrive at something tangible. But as you go about your day to day, you've got that light inside that you know that you've got a choice and at some point that choice is going to be open to you. So, happiness, exposure, realize your skill set, do it. So if it feels like you're stuck in that herd mentality, then that's just a little phased approach that might help get you from where you are now to, secretly, where you want to take yourself next.
Speaker 2:That's so cool. I love that because there is only one. You right. So make your life how you want it to be from there. I love that herd. I'm going to remember that. Do what makes you happy. Yeah, do it. I'm doing it. So that's cool. So my call to action I suppose then picking up on that, would be the exposure bit. I think you know put yourself out there. Expose yourself to different experiences so you can broaden and deepen your knowledge and understanding of the world around you. And it may feel a bit uncomfortable stepping into something you've never done before, but if you lean in, do it get into a stretch zone. That's where the magic happens. So put yourself out there.
Speaker 1:That would be my call to action. Lovely, in a legal way that means you don't get done on an exposure charge, obviously obviously yes, caveat that law I love that we're talking about exposure with a lowercase e, not like a capital E on some kind of crime.
Speaker 1:Anyway, and my share of the secret would be if you have got a friend who is feeling a bit stuck, a bit low, a bit down on themselves last week's episode was hearing how Andy Pooley converted a blip in his career to flip it actually and it became the enabler. This one, I guess, has been thinking about creating this space and opportunity to have a light bulb moment, that realization of actually I have choice and it may not feel like it at the moment, but I can be anything that I want to be. And if you've got a friend for whom you can just see there is that trapped potential, they're not happy, they're working with a bad boss or they're not being valued or whatever might be going on, or the commute is horrendous and it's impacting their personal life Get them to listen to this and sometimes just even having that thinking space and five minutes after for a bit of reflection could really start a chain of events going, that light bulb moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely, oh, my God, I love it, this is such a good one. And to be able to continue to can really start a chain of events going. That light bulb moment, yeah, definitely, oh, my god, I love it, this is such a good one. And yeah, to be able to continue to just, I suppose, challenge our current thinking about career defining moments, redefining our careers, um, making choices, I think, yeah, the rest of this series is going to be fascinating to explore.
Speaker 1:oh, it absolutely is, debs, and what I think is just so liberating is only a couple of generations ago, if you were born in that mining village, that was your lot.
Speaker 1:You would go into that mine and that would be your career pathway. That was set out for you because of the randomness of where you happen to be born. I think now in this decade there is so much opportunity, but it's still got to start with you and what it is that you want to do, because you might want to be a miner actually and you then want to move to that mining village and sort of do a role like that. So where you're born and how you are raised, unlike the old days, is not the pathway that has to then be kept to. So I think that's what's really exciting about redefining our careers, and we're also showing the future generations about how important it is to have that sense of purpose in what we do. And money, of course, is important and all those external validation things. For some people is more important than others, but you're the storyline from the beginning to the end of your career, so it's got to be something that feels right for you.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 2:I can't wait so have a good week creating your rest of your story and look forward to catching up.
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