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Secrets From a Coach - Debbie Green & Laura Thomson's Podcast
Secrets From a Coach - Debbie Green & Laura Thomson's Podcast
214. Essence of Successful Decision-Making: Confidence
Our latest mini-series takes a sparkly look at the essence of success in 4 specific moments that can lead us towards a happier, healthier worklife. This first episode looks at the essential ingredient for successful decision-making which could probably be distilled down to one word: confidence.
Whether resolving stay/go dilemmas, should I/shouldnt I moments, or steeling yourself to making a life adjustment, we take a look at why decision-making is such an important skill now and into the future. We share 4 practical tools for removing drag, thinking big picture, scanning for the best option and borrowing the approach an Air Traffic Controller brings to making decisions.
We then take a coaching approach to guide yourself (or mirror with someone else) with confidence and compassion into taking the first steps towards making the decision come to life. An ideal listen for those looking for a space to think, plan and set your intent for the year ahead in an empowered way.
secrets from a coach thrive and maximize your potential in the evolving workplace. Your weekly podcast with debbie green of wishfish and laura thompson, stavely of phenomenal training. Debs Law are you all right, yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2:Had a good week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've had a good week. There's a lot going on, though, isn't there, debs?
Speaker 2:Yeah, there is a lot going on actually, there seems to be loads of stuff is the only way I'm going to describe it and it's some nice, some not so nice, some puya rubbish. But there's plenty going on, it's in the air.
Speaker 1:There's something in the air which is why we wondered let's perfume this air with looking at. What does it mean to describe the essence of success, Not fake, not pretend, not masking, but actually what is that top note, what is that bottom note that actually enables us to have a sense of success? And so we thought we would look at four particular areas that actually can really impact how successful we feel, and what does it mean if we sort of look to the essence of that? So this first one is looking at the essence of successful decision-making, which could probably be summed up in one word confidence. So let's just explore why decision making? How important is that in terms of having an effective life-work balance, that sense of success. So, Debs, give us a bit of a roundup. What are you seeing in your, either in the coaching space or in the workshop space that suggests just how important this skill of confident decision-making is right now?
Speaker 2:I think it's really important. I mean, companies we're working through are going through lots of change at this moment in time and people are looking for people to make decisions. It may not be the final decision, but people need that clarity and direction and if they can feel a sense of security that somebody knows what they're doing, I think it can make them feel a little bit more comfortable around what is going on around them. When we're working with some teams, you can see there's a bit of nervousness going on at the moment as to saying, yeah, but what if that's the wrong decision? So we always flip it and go yeah, but what if it's the right decision for now? So we sort of weave in now and the word yet. So it doesn't feel like it's a final, final, final, because it may not be the final decision, but you've got to make a decision because if you wait, you could be waiting forever.
Speaker 2:So and same in coaching one-to-one coaching it's the same. People are having to make a decision about their life, jobs, or their health or their own family circumstances. So you can see a lot of that angst going on in their minds about, oh, I'm going to have to let go of something to let something new come in, and I think that's what we're seeing. So having space to talk that through can really help people at this moment in time, and just that opportunity to identify maybe some options or some choices that they can go with or make just gives that person a more of a sense of confidence. They are doing something rather than nothing. Even though both of those are a decision, they both have different consequences and it's that action that is helping people right now. So it might be small, but it's action and they feel okay, I'm doing something.
Speaker 1:I've always been really attracted to the world of human decision making. I think because there've been a few chapters in my life where you reflect back on and think what led me to go down that particular path. You know what stopped me from having the confidence to say no, actually this isn't okay, and to maybe pull the plug maybe a bit sooner than you know than actually what then might have happened. So I've always been quite interested in how come sensible, intelligent people can actually arrive at scenarios where they think how's this? You know how's it come to this? You know what could I have done differently? And what does that mean in terms of having that confidence to make a decision?
Speaker 1:And there was something that I know our colleague Gail loves. That was something I'd referred to. That was just on the back screen of a TED Talk that I watched years ago and it was just a little formula that said easy decision now, hard life later. Hard decision now, easier life later. So let's say someone is toying with a career change or handling a tricky relationship, wondering whether to exit or having to adjust around some life demands, that maybe means someone wants to either step up or step back from some work commitments. If I keep dodging that decision now and take the easy option, which is oh well, I'll just kind of hope it all goes away then. Actually, what you're leading towards is an even harder time a little bit later on. So in your experience, debs, what role does confidence and self-belief have in some of these kind of shall I shan't I decision making moments?
Speaker 2:Oh my God, Laura, that is such a good question. It's really, really tricky for people to make what we call life changing decisions, and that could be any. They don't have to be massive, but they're still life changing for that individual. There's something different to what they're doing now and some people, as you say, it's on a scale. Some people, that decision to maybe move house or to change schools for their children because it's not working, or having to step back from their career because of 101 reasons, and there might be those smaller, if you like, decisions that people go. Well, that's not a big decision to make about which you know which car do I buy? You know how do I, which bus do I get? They are all decisions and we all have to have the confidence to go.
Speaker 2:I'm going that way, but that can take time because, in my experience, the more impact it has on you, you are less likely to just jump straight in. You have to really consider and weigh up, I suppose, all those options. So things like you know what would be the pros and cons of making that decision, so you're able to explore it first with the what-if scenarios, because I don't think anybody just goes right. That's it, I'm out and resigns from a job without having thought about it or even considered what the impact could be on the people around them. And it's ourselves, that self-belief, it's a fear of going. Oh, what if I get it wrong? Or what if I step into the unknown? And it's even worse. What then? So it's our own judgment of ourselves that can hold us back from making decisions. That, as you said, when we look back in hindsight which is a wonderful thing right go. Why didn't I make that sooner? And it could be. It just wasn't the right time, it just wasn't the right environment, it just maybe wasn't the right people you had around you.
Speaker 2:I think we can beat ourselves up for not making decisions quicker, but I think I believe that decisions are made at the right time for the right reasons and you just go with it and it's. And unfortunately, some people avoid making decisions. So it can get really, really bad before they go. Enough's enough. So what we try and do is enable them to explore possibilities and opportunities before they go right. That's where I'm heading, knowing that it could still change though once you've made one decision, it it might lead to something else. So that ability to be flexible around that is not cast in stone and I know you talk about that it doesn't mean that decision is going to be the one I make forever, because it changes. It's all that flexible stuff, isn't it, lord, that you always talk about.
Speaker 2:So I think we're our own worst enemy sometimes, because we're not maybe sure of our ability and therefore we need to build our confidence back up. And that self-belief and self-confidence comes from acknowledging what you do bring and who you are and how great you are, what you have achieved so far in your life. So a bit of a reminder of the good stuff, because we're very quick to remember the bad stuff, because that's our survival brain, right. We're very quick to remember the bad stuff because that's our survival brain, right. But we have to flip that thinking. So that space that we have is a privileged space to be in, because you're saying, yeah, but what if it didn't go like that? It's like we've never considered the other side of the coin. What we do is try and ensure that people get to explore the other side and then they can make as well informed decision as they can based on the information they've got in that moment right now, knowing that it may evolve and change and transform further down the line.
Speaker 1:Beautiful. Do you know what, Debs? Let's get practical. So let's have a look at some key concepts and models that over the years, people have gone. Actually, that's quite handy, that's quite useful and I think I'm going to apply that next time I've got a decision to make.
Speaker 2:Go on then, Laure. What have you learned that you know works in your experience as well?
Speaker 1:well, um, I was reflecting on what you were saying. I guess one of the benefits of that coaching space is it enables that other person to be able to eliminate the drag that might be creating a lot of noise in their head. So, whether you are going to have a coaching session or it's a self-coaching session, it's creating some space to just be able to sit and pause and eliminate the drag that might mean procrastination is preventing you from focusing on actually the big elephant in the room you know, or keeping yourself so busy that you're giving yourself excuses to say, ok, well, I'll think about it kind of next week. So I guess the first step is to sort of eliminate some drag.
Speaker 1:I think one of the steps that can also be quite useful is difficult decisions. It sort of does what it says on the tin. If it was an easy decision that had a very clear front runner as to the action to take, then you would have done it anyway. So I think it's also practicing a bit of compassion, which I know is a massive value of yours. Debs around actually, some of these decisions. You know they are tricky and in fact, if we have a look at what artificial intelligences find, to struggle, not the robot's law.
Speaker 1:Show all this in.
Speaker 2:Debs Go on. I love that. What's the latest?
Speaker 1:Well, I'm trying to remember with my little frail human brain, but there are apparently seven types of decisions or problems that an AI finds tricky to make a decision, and really what it's classed as is the stable world problem. So AIs work really well in a stable world where nothing changes or evolves as that decision is happening. What we know in reality is the decisions that catch us unawares is where there's no logical motivator.
Speaker 2:It's just. You know. Why are they doing that, why are they saying that?
Speaker 1:So there's no logical motivator, there's no black or white, it's discretion based, it evolves over time. There's competing values that you might be having to sort of weigh up. It's known as the stable world problem, and that's probably one of the challenges that are some of the big decisions that might have kind of stopped us in our tracks a little bit is there's not an easy kind of answer, it's not a binary yes or no. So here are some tools that can help once you've eliminated a bit of drag, and either create some space to think about this. So so the first step is to read the landscape, and this tool was designed by Captain John Boyd and this was his four-step OODA loop, and what this was trained was to enable fighter jet pilots, when everything is spinning out and there's a high pressure situation, how do you then stop, look and listen? Basically, so the first O stands for observe. What am I seeing around me? The second step is orientate. How does that compare to what I want? So, is that leading me towards what I consider is where I want my life to go? The third step is D, the decision. So what are all the decisions that I could take? And we'll come on to the D bit in a moment, and then the A stands for act. So what is the action I'm going to take? And then you loop it. What am I observing now, orientating better or worse than what it was before D? So what are my decisions now? And then, what's the next action going to be? So, rather than spinning out, you're able to bring a bit of poise and purpose to that thinking, that sort of looped thinking. So, whether that's for a mate who's spinning out a bit or whether that's for yourself, then that stop, look and listen. I imagine you're going to talk about taking a breath. Yes, so take a breath, do an ooda, and it enables you just to the scales, to drop away from your eyes and just to be able to see actually what's around.
Speaker 1:With that D, though for decision, I mean, it sounds so simple, but that's often the bit that then is well, there are all these decisions. What's the right thing or the wrong thing to do? So let's say that you are wondering whether to make a life adjustment in terms of how you're balancing your working week with some other commitments. So what are the benefits, the risks, the alternatives, your intuition, and if you were to do nothing, which spells out brain. So the brain tool, which is one of our classic little carousel of ponies. So we're bringing this out to put a whiff of success in the essence of decision making.
Speaker 1:So what are the benefits of me stepping back or forward? What are the risks with that? What are the alternatives to formally doing that? What does my intuition tell me? And if I were to do nothing now about making an adjustment, what might the consequence be? And if actually, with that end question, you think there's no way I can sustain doing what I'm doing, something's got to change, whether it might not be an easy set of changes. And then the third step is to channel the air traffic controllers managing pilots on the runway. So actually to suddenly completely change everything off the back of one five-minute interaction with yourself might seem too much. But what the air traffic controllers will do is they will guide a pilot who wants to make a runway maneuver. You wouldn't do the whole lot in one go because there's too much risk, but you would have little hundred meter gateways, so little and often, and it's steady moments of progress forward. I guess it's like your minimal, viable proposition.
Speaker 1:They call it your mvp mvp so it's just small steps and actually if you were to make those small incremental steps once, one tiny thing each day, by this time next week you've shunted forward a little bit more. So, devs, that's the kind of the theory. So eliminate drag, ie create a bit of space to think about this uda, to scan the horizon, brain, to decide. Actually there might not be a best decision, but what's the least worst that I could take. And then that gateway is that sort of small steps forward and I guess kind of what's always in my mind is regret minimalization.
Speaker 1:So actually, if I were to view this moment 10 years on, what would I have wanted to have done in this particular set of circumstances? And I think by doing that due diligence of that sort of methodical thinking, no matter what kind of personality style you are, it means you're far less likely to wake up in the middle of the night in six months time thinking, oh my God, I've taken a wrong decision because you've got a nice clean audit trail. That means even if fate kicks in and something happens later, as our colleague Adam Wilson said, you can still have that sense of moral hygiene. You can look yourself in the mirror and go I made the best decision at the point. Given the resources, the information, I knew it's okay, I can fall back asleep again, I don't need to worry about this. So that's the theory.
Speaker 1:So, des, what would be awesome now is to get your take, from a coaching point of view of some things, that if there is some decisions that are on our mind, then what might be some action that we can take that helps us unlock this essence of. So, debs, it sounds so simple and when you see it on a powerpoint slide, you think, of course, I'll just do a brain scan, we can do that. It would be just so brilliant to get your all your you know, your years of wisdom just distilled into that bottom note and top note of this very woody, floral part of being a successful human these days, which is confident decision making. So, yeah, over to you.
Speaker 2:What's your, what's your thoughts and advice I think brain, for me, is the one that you gives you that chance to stop and pause.
Speaker 2:You've catch yourself getting so caught up in what's going on. So, first of all, I think you need to and you can do this for yourself you need to just slow down, to go faster. You need to check in with yourself to say, yeah, am I running at 95 miles per hour or am I going the other way, where I'm not actually doing anything? I'm a bit sloth-like and I don't move very much, because both of those can have an impact on our mind health either too little pressure or too much pressure. So I think we need to do a check-in with ourselves first. So how, what am I thinking? How am I feeling? Which is every time I say that, always smile because we know that that was our little catchphrase many years ago, isn't it so? So if anybody's listening, that knows, oh my God, they're going to ask me that question. But it's so important to ask yourself what am I thinking, how am I feeling today? And you can just do a little check-in. People do it on a scale of one to 10. They do it on like a line, but it gives you a bit of a check-in to say, oh, maybe I need to be doing something about this, especially if I'm feeling anxious or I'm not sleeping, as you said. As you said, adam said, as long as I can sleep at night, then I made the right decision in the moment with what I had, and I think that's what's really important. If things are keeping you up at night, you're maybe not doing the things you know are healthy for you. You've taken, they've got a backseat, whereas you haven't put yourself first, and it's just really important, I think, to do that to start with.
Speaker 2:And then, as we always say, you're wishing is just the beginning, right? So what do you want to wish for? Have that time to just pause and plan, breathe, have some space and just write down what do you want, um, what do you wish for? And then, what do you really want? Once you come into it, so it starts to give you an opportunity to capture, if you like, what it is you really want. And then it's that well, what is going well for me right now? What isn't going as well as I would like it to? And then how does that impact on my wish list, if you like? So all of these are exploration questions. You're exploring what's going on with empathy and kindness and care for yourself. It's not about beating yourself up that you haven't done or should have done, or if only I had. It's not that. It's just a real snapshot of realism in time that says where are you right now and then it's the opportunity to go.
Speaker 2:I think you know what if you could make a decision today, what would that be? You know well what if you could make a decision today, what would that be? And I always sort of say to people as well, as a result of us chatting today, how will you know it's been a good outcome or a good conversation that we've had today? So I'll ask myself or ask people that question and they have to think about, oh yeah, the fact that I may have an action or I might have more clarity or I might now know where I could go next. So that would be a good outcome from a conversation. So start with the end in mind what would be a good outcome for you from this conversation? And also question around what makes this decision that you're about to take important for you. And, as you said, you know it can link into our values as well and therefore it might be enough to just propel us forward in that little step, that first 100 yards, 100 meters that you're doing, and then it would be OK when you're thinking about what it is you want, asking yourself, you know, what do you want? What's significant to you about this topic? What are you noticing about yourself?
Speaker 2:So, going back into the OODA, the observation piece, what are you noticing about you right now? Are you high, are you low, are you up down? Are you jolly, are you sad? What's going on, the feeling for you? And then asking yourself, what's that about? You know, being curious, then to sort of say to yourself what's that about? What's going on for me? Not ask yourself, why am I feeling sad? Because that's a judgy question and therefore the judge will play and then you'll just go down that slippery slope, which is not healthy. So ask him what's that about? I think that's a great question, either for yourself or for somebody else to ask them, or you can sort of ask them what does that, whatever that is, what does that represent for you? So that's a nice question to ask yourself and people to just reflect on that for a moment and then thinking about what are you starting to understand about yourself, what are you learning?
Speaker 2:And when we start to look at what you want to do in your goal setting or picking it up or deciding, making a decision to explore one of the areas you might have, you might sort of say, well, when was the last time I did something similar and what did I do? Well, what would I not repeat? So that reflection back a little bit can really help make you sure. So what does this mean for me? What am I going to get out of it? Because you have to get something out of it, otherwise you won't do it. And then it's. You know, what do you think would be the best way forward from here? And that's when we start exploring people's options. What would work? What would get in the way? What would stop you? What have you done in the past? What talents have you already got that you could help and apply to this? Who might help you? All of those lovely what and who and when questions.
Speaker 2:And then, what else do you want to do? Always ask yourself and what else? What else, what else, what else, what else? It's a bit like Simon Sinek's why, but we don't use why very much in coaching we, you know what else, and that, or why I normally say to people and that will matter to me, because so then you have to fill in the blank and that matters. That question, then the answer, then that matters to you because so again, you're drilling it right the way down to your core, if you like, and then it becomes a no-brainer, if you like, to look at making a decision, and that's where brain can come in. So once you sort of identify what that is, you could then run through the brain scan, which I love, and you can identify like you're out of it.
Speaker 2:What are the benefits? You could then run through the brain scan, which I love, and you can identify like you're out of it. What are the benefits, what could be the risks, what are some alternatives, what's your gut feel or intuition telling you? And if you did nothing, what would that mean? And people then go oh, my God, it's a no brainer, as you said, and then you can get back into the flow of okay. So what's the first step I'm going to take towards it rather than away from it? Flow of okay. So what's the first step I'm going to take towards it rather than away from it? And then who might I need to support me. What might be a blocker for me? How might I overcome that? So you start to open up even more about that particular thing and when you sort of say, okay, what's my first action going to be, okay, I can do that. It's that simplistic first step. It might be.
Speaker 2:I know people that have made a phone call to get some advice or they've made a decision to make a plan for themselves, or you know, just that very first step is enough to propel you forward. And I think that book by James Clear, that 1%, the Atomic Habits, as you were saying, laura, that one little shift every day, that 1% every day of doing slightly different or working towards recognizing how you are doing it, reflecting at the end of the day, showing gratitude for what you have done, not for what you haven't done All of that combined can propel you forward. So you're not like dragged back, as you said, you're propelling forward towards what you want your life to be about. Um, and I know that sounds really simple and it is not. It can be a roller coaster of emotions and ups and downs and highs and lows, but being able to check in with somebody and that means yourself as well just to see how far I have come.
Speaker 2:So we always say, mark out some mini milestones along the way. How do you want to be in a week from now? How do you want to be in a month? What would it look like, maybe six months from now? And then checking in at those points and resetting that so that you are being in the now. It's not unrealistic, because sometimes we get so far down the decision, or making those decisions, that we go, oh, this isn't going to work for me. That's amazing.
Speaker 2:You've identified that. So what would you like to look at now? What else can we look at? And that's when that ability to because you've done all the heavy work at the front end can go. I could go back and look at that option that I came up with, and then it's a case of applying it, that understanding, to making it move forward. And then, yeah, where do you want to go next is a question. Where can I go next? Yeah, what will I do differently next time? It's very much that pausing, reflecting, reviewing, planning and then doing again. So similar to Uda as well, but just being kind to yourself as you're doing it. I love it.
Speaker 1:Deft. You've just got me reflecting just that bit about kind of taking time. I mean thank you for that. That's just such a reflecting just that bit about kind of taking time. I mean thank you for that. That's just such a. You know that? Literally a secret summer coach, just kind of there.
Speaker 1:To summarise it Wow, you know which is in all areas of our life. You know parenting, partnering, professional caring. You know whatever kind of persona we've got in that moment. And you just got me thinking. Do you remember that time I made that impulsive decision that I was going to do a ruddy triathlon?
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, I completely forgot about that. Yeah, you were right, we all looked at you when you told me and Gally, I think we went.
Speaker 1:And I remember Debs and this is where I think this knowledge can just really help Like look after yourself a bit, because I was all swept up in the moment. I was there just going no, no, no, not that type of person. And then I could feel this pressure, voice of well who says who you can be, whoever you want to be, practice the growth mindset. I went, okay, then I'll sign up for triathlon. And then kind of got back in the car going what have I done? And then thinking that's all right, benefits, risks, alternative.
Speaker 1:Actually, as it then happened, as the time went on, I was thinking this is causing me so much guilt, pressure, stress, actually let's just take it off. But what had grown there which is what the point I was going to sort of mention, that then got me thinking about where I've stood in my life. Cognitive dissonance kicks in once you've eliminated that drag and go. Actually, this is the first step I'm going to take. So, whether that is the process of chatting with a coach like yourself or chatting with yourself in the mind which is I'm going to do this, and then the cognitive dissonance kicks in.
Speaker 1:Cognitive dissonance is where your brain doesn't like it. If you've committed out loud or committed in your head out loud, I'm going to do X, and then every morning you wake up and you don't do X. It creates a discomfort. I think they call it discrepancy production. So there's a sense of discrepancy because I know I said I was going to do this and I haven't, and I think I then took this thing of this is causing me so much stress. Forget all the bloody psychology. I just don't want to do it.
Speaker 1:I don't want to do it so I'm going to abdicate quickly rather than letting anyone kind of down. However, the cognitive dissonance had kicked in, and I'm now just drawing the dots on two years on. There must have been something inside me going.
Speaker 1:Come on, girl, you need to do some like strength building exercise and maybe a triathlon in front of loads of people is not the thing that you're going to do in 10 weeks time, yeah, but um, actually getting yourself to the gym and then do that. So I think because I'd gone through the due diligence of I want to do this and I've said it out loud. The cognitive dissonance was so strong it took two years to drag me to it, but I got to then make a decision of right, I have to do it. I can't keep putting this off. I need I need to do something differently that's such a good example.
Speaker 2:That is such a good example. I completely forgot about that. Because that? Because if it causes you pressure and this is why we always say and I'll probably be shot down in the coaching world when people say, right, I'll have a 12-week package or offer you a six 12-week package and we'll see you every week I don't do that because it's not realistic. It's practical for people, especially they've got lives outside.
Speaker 2:Um, you know they cannot make that. They can think about it, but they may not have made the changes they think they would be doing in a week. It's like, you know, the weight loss industry. The same people think they can lose a stone. You know, two weeks, no, you can't. And I think this is where you have to then play to your strengths and go. Okay, I might not. You know, I might not get where I want to get. It's taking you two years from that initial thought and signing up for it and then go. No, this is causing me too much hassle, too much pressure. I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2:So, rather than beat yourself up, but you didn't let that thought go, it just plays in the background, as I called it, and sometimes that's what happens, and I think those are forced people, anybody that has a coach. They're forcing them to have a weekly meeting. It doesn't always work. The learning in my experience is not sustained over time and the idea behind being with a coach is that you see them over a period of time and, in theory, you should never see them again, because you've learned to sustain the changes, you've recognized the difference it's making you know the techniques to be able to help yourself in the future and therefore, um, you should never come, you know, never go back to the same coach with the same problem. Um, I always have people do come back, but it's with something else, which is always a good thing um, but I think, if I squished it in, it would just not have worked.
Speaker 1:As they say, debs, it's Andrew Garfield who's the actor who plays Spider-Man.
Speaker 1:I've learned that at the top of every mountain there's another mountain.
Speaker 1:So the thing about these decisions is the day you know you might have angsted over something, taking you a couple of years. You've done it and then guess what? Another one rolls along, but, as the stoics were talking two and a half thousand years ago, actually it gives you the skills to then get even more effective at it, and so I guess in this first of our essence of success four-part mini-series, we've been looking at the essence of successful decision making, which could probably be summed up in one word that confidence, so confiding in yourself and being confident in yourself, and whether that is an opportunity for you to have a bit of a mirror moment. What may be? Some conversations I need to have with myself or someone that I know who's maybe wrangling with some tricky decisions at the moment. Some practical steps so the use of the brain and the gateway approach, and then just that brilliant insight from you from a slow down to go faster and overnight. Change sometimes actually fizzles out over time, and what we're looking for is a long, lasting scent of success that lingers.
Speaker 2:Life change, yeah, life changing.
Speaker 1:Life changing. Yeah, oh, debs, I've loved this um focus. I know it's a topic really kind of dear to our heart, so if there, was a call to action that you would put out there, and I'll think of a share the secret my call to action would be sort of two parts.
Speaker 2:One, give yourself the time to explore and be curious about what you could do and what you're capable of. And then I would say trust the process, whether it takes you a year, two years, whether it could take you 10 years. Trust the process Because, as you said, your brain will still be working on it in the background, channeling away all the stuff that you did. You've experienced that, so trust the process.
Speaker 1:And my share. The secret would be first off is a reminder of a difficult decision. Does what it says on the tin? If it was that easy, you would have dealt with it before. So practice that sort of compassion and that understanding and get them to listen to this. And who knows, sometimes just listening to some friendly voices sharing some real kind of advice can just give you a bit of clarity to enable you to spray yourself with that essence of success.
Speaker 2:So you smell lovely.
Speaker 1:So you smell lovely, so you radio that essence of success. Debs, I've loved this one. I can't wait for our focus next week, which is all about the essence of creating morale and enjoyment around you, so I think that's going to be really interesting to focus on that, which is such a hot topic for many workplaces.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely Me too, Laura. And in the meantime, keep spraying and sparkling.
Speaker 1:I will keep spraying and sparkling at a gym near you, at a gym near you. I love that See you later lovely. Oh, love you, Bye, love you.
Speaker 2:Bye-bye.
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