Game Pass Price Hike Debate: How Big of a Deal Is It?

Welcome to another episode of The Gamerheads Podcast. Mike's back, and he's got a hilarious story about his mysterious disappearance!  We're handing out four-day passes to PAX West and a $50 gift card for those brave enough to tackle the lowest score challenge in Contra.

Ever wondered what an open-world Scooby-Doo game would look like? We've got you covered! This episode is brimming with imaginative game ideas inspired by classic Hanna-Barbera cartoons. Picture solving mysteries and setting traps in various towns, all leading up to an epic showdown with a celebrity pop star villain. We also brainstorm a Sims-like Flintstones game set in Bedrock and an open-world Ghostbusters game filled with iconic ghosts. Nostalgia takes center stage as we reimagine other beloved cartoons like Mighty Mouse and Danger Mouse into future game concepts.

Shifting gears, we tackle the complexities of the new Xbox Game Pass tier system, breaking down each plan and sharing our thoughts on the recent price hikes.

Our gaming experiences don't stop there—we share amusing tales from Killer Clowns from Outer Space, reflect on the evolution of multiplayer horror games, and dive into our latest obsessions like Pinball FX. If you're a fan of Overwatch, Star Wars: Hunters, or Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, you'll find our discussions on game mechanics, strategies, and ethical dilemmas particularly captivating.

Tune in for a blend of camaraderie, gaming insights, and a hearty dose of nostalgia!

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Speaker 1: 0:00

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Speaker 3: 1:04

Hey, this is Matt aka aka Stormageddon from Reignite ScreenSnark and the Fun and Games Podcast.

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This is Stephanie from the Boss Rush Podcast and the Boss Rush Network. Hey, this is Mark and Kion from Bonta Affold. Hey, this is Sebastian with the PronerdReportcom and the Single Player Experience Podcast. Hi, this is Chris.

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Mike.

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And Garrett from Daylight Basement Studio. Hi, this is Chris, mike and Garrett from Daylight Basement Studio. Hey, this is BaronJ67 from Level One Gaming. Hey, this is Todd Mitchell from Code Right Play.

Speaker 1: 1:31

Salutations.

Speaker 3: 1:32

This is Mike Carroll from Stroll Art hey this is Jeff Moonen from Fun and Games Podcast.

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What's good y'all. This is Adam from Respawn Aimfire.

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Hey, this is Patrick from the Backlog Odyssey.

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Hey, fire. Hey, this is patrick from the backlog odyssey. Hey, this is rune from runic codes. Hi, this is andrew from spalada birds.

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Hi, everyone, jill groat here from the indie informer hello, this is the crypt master and you're listening to roger richie. You're listening to roger on the gameamer Heads Podcast.

Speaker 1: 2:13

And welcome to another episode of the Gamer Heads Podcast. My name is Roger. Along with me are my good friends and co-hosts. We have the CEO and president of Gamer Heads, phil Phil. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 3: 2:26

Salutations.

Speaker 1: 2:29

And then, of course, we have my good friend coming back from oh, I gotta turn up my mic here Coming back from I don't know where you were, Mike Parts, Unknown.

Speaker 3: 2:41

Did you find the missing link?

Speaker 2: 2:43

Yes.

Speaker 1: 2:45

It was.

Speaker 2: 2:45

I don't know, something Zelda related, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 2:49

Well, welcome back to the show. We're glad to have you back. Yeah, we missed you, man. No, you didn't.

Speaker 2: 2:57

No, we did. I was listening to those other episodes. You didn't miss me a bit.

Speaker 1: 3:04

I did. There was a lot of uh. It got a little, got a little uh, feisty, a little feisty.

Speaker 2: 3:12

I feel like we needed some mike magic magic mike yeah, the calm things down here's the thing, roger, you don't have magic Mike when you have magic mind.

Speaker 1: 3:26

That's true. That's true. Anyway, welcome to our patrons as well. Welcome, matt, jill and Sarah. Welcome to the show Listener. If you want to become a patron of the Gamer Heads podcast, do you?

Speaker 3: 3:40

Wait do that singular.

Speaker 1: 3:42

Yeah, I do that on purpose. I'm talking to that one person that's listening to this podcast right now, uh, but yeah, you can. You can join the gamer heads nation for as low as three dollars a month. Just go over to patreoncom slash gamer heads podcast and you can join the gamer heads nation. The other thing I'll mention here, too, is we have an awesome giveaway that we've got going on right now, and we are giving away four tickets to PAX. We have five four-day passes to PAX West, and it's real simple to enter. All you have to do is follow us, follow PAX on Twitter, retweet it and use the hashtag GamerHeadsPAXWest I think I used and it's a pinned tweet and say what you're excited about PAX for, and you'll be entered in for the drawing.

Speaker 1: 4:36

There is some things here, though. I will need, like, I need people's full names, and it can't be corporations, so like it has to be actual people, not corporations, that are going to this. Um, but if you are picked, uh, you know there's a chance, and I think this goes until what did I say? I think, the last week of that monday, the last week of, uh, july. So, uh, I mean, I should have this, I should have this up? I don't have this up in front of me. Hold on, I have it right here. It goes until 725, so July 25th. So good luck to everybody. That's very cool.

Speaker 1: 5:17

The good people at PAX gave us some tickets for that, so that's cool. I think that's all I have for oh no, and then we also have. That's all for the episode. Everybody. Thank you for watching and listening. Um no, I care, take care, see ya. The other thing I'll just mention is you know, this is something new we're trying, but it's the uh, lowest score challenge and it is so the first level of Contra. If you take a screenshot of your score, you'll be entered in for a chance to win a $50 gift card. That goes until the end of the month as well. So that is through Twitter as well. Just take a screenshot and share that with the tweet. We'll put all that in the show notes so you can see the links for that, but that goes until the end of the month as well. So we got a lot of stuff going on right now.

Speaker 2: 6:08

Yes indeed.

Speaker 1: 6:10

A lot of stuff. Okay, so that's what I have for housekeeping stuff. Mike, you have an icebreaker for us, right?

Speaker 2: 6:19

As we are to talk about breaking ice. What?

Speaker 3: 6:23

is your favorite ice level. What's that? What is your?

Speaker 2: 6:25

favorite ice level. What's that?

Speaker 3: 6:27

What is your favorite ice level?

Speaker 2: 6:29

That's right 3-1.

Speaker 1: 6:33

Because it's the easiest Wait is 3-1?

Speaker 2: 6:37

3-1? No, 3-1 is water. There is no ice level in Mario.

Speaker 1: 6:41

Then is it 5-1?. What's ice level? There's no ice in Mario.

Speaker 3: 6:44

1. In the first Super Mario there's no ice.

Speaker 1: 6:45

There's no ice levels in Super Mario. What am I thinking? I don't know. I thought there was. There isn't Okay, I thought there was. My favorite water world is 3-1.

Speaker 2: 6:55

Well, there you go. Your mom goes to college.

Speaker 1: 7:00

No, she doesn't.

Speaker 2: 7:02

Wait, which mom? Anywho and I'm not sure if we did this before we may have there's been so many episodes, but I just thought it was fun. I've been on a real cartoon kick so I'm sure in the chat yesterday I posted, I asked you what some of your favorite cartoons were. So Icebreaker is you are in charge of a video game based on any cartoon IP. What cartoon are you using and what's your game like? I'll go first to give you some time to think. And Phil, what cartoon am I on a kick right now for?

Speaker 2: 7:42

Bothering you every day that you need to watch the regular show, regular show. So at first I thought regular show would work as a beat-em-up, but then that's like, that's like, that's like every cartoon game can work with as a beat-em-up. So I'm I'm changing mine, uh, to a metroidvania, a 2d metroidvania. I think a regular show 2D Metroidvania could really work because there's so many interesting cast of characters that instead of you know with any Metroidvania you get to an area, you get a power-up, then you use that power-up to get to other areas to fight bosses and get other power-ups. But the twist on this one instead of power-ups, you would rescue characters which would then be the power-ups. But the twist on this one instead of power-ups, you would rescue characters which would then be the power-ups. So like, if you're so, for example, like you start the game as Mordecai and, let's say, the first character you rescue is Rigby. Rigby is a raccoon, he's smaller, he can get underneath and go into small areas. Then you can rescue Skips, who's who's really strong, who can break down barriers, and so on and so forth.

Speaker 2: 8:50

I think that would be a really good, uh, a really fun game, and I think it would be overdue because, with regular show being so inspired by video games and I cannot stress enough the inspiration that video games have on that show and the writers that you watch enough episodes of that show. You will see so many references to so many video games. Um, and we've only had one actual game and it was for the 3ds and it sucked so actually technically. There was another one, a cartoon network uh were a bunch of all the cartoon network players, but that game sucked too. So we've never had a proper regular show game and that's a travesty.

Speaker 1: 9:35

So that's how old is this cartoon? I don't. Is this cartoon older?

Speaker 2: 9:39

regular show it came out in about 2010 lasted about seven, but it's not.

Speaker 1: 9:44

Oh okay, let to say it's not going on anymore yet though they're working on another season, from what I heard, which is awesome.

Speaker 2: 9:50

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 9:50

Huh.

Speaker 2: 9:53

I convinced Phil to watch the first few episodes. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: 9:57

I still pick away at it when I'm conscious enough, when I'm laying in bed to be able to pay attention to something.

Speaker 1: 10:03

Okay, I'll have to check this show out.

Speaker 2: 10:07

I'm telling you the video games the 80s references, you would immediately be drawn to it.

Speaker 1: 10:17

Okay, alright. Where can I watch it?

Speaker 2: 10:21

Max. Oh, it is on, max. Yeah, I do, yeah, I do, you can watch it on that Nice Okay. And the episodes are only like 10 to 12 minutes each, so you can get through. Yeah, it's short.

Speaker 1: 10:34

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 10:35

Bite-sized, bite-sized yeah.

Speaker 1: 10:38

Cool Phil, do you want to go next?

Speaker 3: 10:42

Yeah, I can go. Next, I got two to come to brain based on two of my favorite cartoons being one is Scooby-Doo, one is Flintstones. I'm a sucker for all the old Hanna-Barbera stuff.

Speaker 3: 10:53

First, I'm going to dabble in the world of Scooby-Doo, because Scooby-Doo is probably my all-time favorite cartoon and I want an open-world sandbox Scooby-Doo game where you are exploring random towns that are all somehow connected by interstates, solving mysteries in each of these different cities that somehow link together by, I'm going to say, a larger, all controlling boss that is trying to pull all these schemes and these heists by making things look a lot more supernatural. Is you survey locations for clues and maybe do almost Ghostbusters style type of a thing for taking down bad guys, piecing together the clues, working your way through one mission at a time, working your way up to the big boss who's going to end up being some kind of a celebrity pop star type of a thing, because that's just the way that Scooby-Doo worked and I'd like to see it.

Speaker 3: 11:33

I'd like to see it in that Hanna-Barbera style of animation, which is oh so gorgeous and oh so lovely and oh so fun and would also give you a chance to dive into that world of scooby-doo a little bit further and explore some of the uh, the lore behind it. That kind of gets touched on, but not really it's the first one that comes to mind.

Speaker 2: 11:52

Yes, mike I, you, just you got my creativity flowing. How cool would it be to have boss battles, but instead of actually fighting them, like a 3d platformer, you're setting elaborate traps yeah, just outsmarting them the entire time. Yeah, I also think it's a fun game to play I also think it's really funny that you said you were gonna dab in uh, scooby-doo. So then, when it comes to well, not that, because when it comes to the flintstones, you wouldn't dab into the flintstones, you would you have a dab of do into the flintstones.

Speaker 3: 12:26

That was it. So the Flintstones game that I have in my brain is kind of like the Sims, where you're just doing an everyday simulator of.

Speaker 3: 12:32

Flintstones life in bedrock, going to work and feeding your dinosaurs that are making everything happen around you, keeping Dino fed, keeping Wilma happy, making sure that Pebbles and Bam Bam don't get into too much shit while you're at work, and going and hanging out with the rebels that live next door. Just working a day in the life of Fred Flintstone, or overseeing the entire world of Bedrock and just keeping it under control and almost city-build your way through it Again. It's one of those things that I think would be very much so amusing if it could be executed and pulled off right.

Speaker 1: 13:03

Yeah, I would play that.

Speaker 2: 13:07

Yeah, and I could see the tutorial guy being the great kazoo.

Speaker 1: 13:18

Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 13:19

That'd be super fun.

Speaker 1: 13:21

Yeah, that'd be awesome For myself. I'll have. I have two as well, so I'll mention these two. So the first one triggered when you were kind of mentioning your Scooby Doo one. I would love to see the real Ghostbusters made into an open world Ghostbusters game where you can just go anywhere you want and like, just things happen and you could like bust ghosts at different places and there'd be ghosts that were like from the cartoon, like the boogeyman and you know, like those three, uh, like it was the two brothers and the wife, I think or something like that, like the, the ones that were in that candy factory.

Speaker 1: 14:00

Um, that would be fun. I think that'd be a really cool, fun game. And then, yeah, you're just busting ghosts and you get different jobs and you have to go bust ghosts. I think, mike, you mentioned that you would like to see an open world Ghostbusters game. At one point, didn't you say that too?

Speaker 2: 14:15

I don't know if I said that. I did say, though, when they announced the Ghostbusters, the good Ghostbusters game, when that came out about 10 years ago or so.

Speaker 1: 14:26

Oh, yeah, yeah, the one that was on the Wii and then the PlayStation as well.

Speaker 2: 14:32

I always thought while the Wii version looked interesting, they really should have made the character models based on the real Ghostbusters for that version.

Speaker 1: 14:41

Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3: 14:44

You've kind of inspired me, roger, with that. I'm gonna cut you off at the knees for a second and go back to my scooby-doo idea.

Speaker 3: 14:50

There was a series called the 13 ghosts of scooby-doo. I don't know if you guys ever saw that one, but if you could kind of play your way through that it's kind of the only scooby-doo that really had an interconnected story between each of the episodes where they're trying to track down these 13 ghosts that have escaped from uh I don't know what they originally kept, kept captured it. There's the word uh, but vincent price provided the he was in the cartoon as well as kind of like the overall narrator who was guiding scooby and shaggy throughout the entire thing. So to play through like an open world gamer, you're trying to go back and reclaim these 13 ghosts to again work your way up to and I don't remember the name of the two bad guys, but they were kind of putzy to work your way back up to. That would be also fun. That's DLC right there, damn it. That's what that is.

Speaker 1: 15:30

I just yeah yeah, yeah, that's right cool. So, yeah, the real Ghostbusters. And then I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with a deep cut here. I mean deep cut for us. Magi cheese, no, no, my gosh, that would be amazing. Shirt tails, shirt tails would be amazing too. Snorks, gummy bears I eat those all the time, man, I was thinking Mighty Mouse, yep, or Danger Mouse, oh, danger Mouse.

Speaker 1: 16:03

There was a video game on danger mouse, wasn't there? Uh, in the last 25, well now, no, I know, but, but maybe there was for mighty mouse too. But, like, I would totally play a mighty mouse game. It's like a side scroller, like think, uh, think, um, uh, oh, my gosh, I can't think of the, that Cuphead, think of Cuphead, but Mighty Mouse, wouldn't that be cool? And that same kind of art style. Because that was from the 30s, right, Mighty Mouse was really old, right, like, was it 30s? Well, I mean, it may have started in the 30s, like the comic book, but probably like the 50s, I don't know, but Mighty Mouse, like, I don't know. My mom watched Mighty Mouse. She was growing up, so I'm assuming it's really old, but I loved Mighty Mouse as a kid. I loved Mighty Mouse as a kid.

Speaker 1: 16:49

And I would love to play a game as Mighty Mouse. That'd be really fun. So yeah, so yeah, those are my picks. The other game I will say I forgot to mention this cartoon guys, when you guys were saying what's your favorite cartoons, and I forgot this one Bluey. I love Bluey. Bluey is really good. That's the new one right, yeah, yeah, I beat that game. They do have a game, right, they do have a game of Bluey.

Speaker 3: 17:13

Yeah, I beat it thousand points.

Speaker 1: 17:21

Okay, um, it's on game pass, I should play it. But I do love the cartoon bluey. Uh, it's so funny. If you guys haven't seen it, it's, it's a hoot. Like so my youngest watches it. And then I was like, yeah, whatever, this is a silly kid. I was thinking it's gonna be like simple, but like I watched it, I was like there was an episode that I got teary-eyed and I was like, oh my gosh, it was like this, they're gonna move. And then their aunt was gonna get married and then she decided that she didn't want to get married because her husband was like, yeah, you're gonna move with me. And she's like, uh, no, I'm not. And then, oh my gosh, I was just like all in tears and well, now that you spoiled the episode.

Speaker 1: 17:53

I know I spoiled it all. Yeah, I know you don't have to watch it.

Speaker 3: 17:55

I'm out on bluey yeah, play the game again, yeah no, but bluey, uh, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 18:01

There's something about bluey and just the. The writing and the what they're doing with the show is really well done. So is the game any good? Is the game any good, phil? It's not bad.

Speaker 3: 18:10

It's a collect-a-thon and it's super. It's basic and easy but, like I said, it's a quick thousand achievement points. I want to say I got,000 achievement points in four hours or less. Okay, I mean, if your youngest watches it, you might as well play with them watching and playing alongside you. It is multiplayer as well and it's basic enough that, if thumbs work, it can be done.

Speaker 1: 18:29

Okay, all right, I'll have to play with them. It's a shame.

Speaker 2: 18:32

So many licensed games during the 360 and PS3 era sucked so bad that everybody just stopped making licensed games like I would love to see more licensed games based on, you know, cartoons, or even like movies, when they come out like I don't did they ever make like a despicable me video game like with all the gadgets and weapons and stuff in those movies. I think yeah, that seems like yeah that seems like the game writes itself right there.

Speaker 3: 19:02

Yeah, even most of the pixar movies that come out these days too, like those are all custom built for video game yeah style and, like I know, disney does put stuff out from time to time, or pixar does same thing mobile. That's what they but it's, yeah, it's either mobile or it's just these like shit ass racers. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1: 19:19

Yeah, or Dreamlight Valley, right, phil? I don't know anything about that game. Well, that's a good icebreaker there, mike. Thank you so much for the icebreaker. So before we get into games we're currently playing, there has been some news that just came out somewhat recently uh, around the changing of the xbox game pass changes that are happening, um, so I don't know if you want, do you want me to run through like some of the changes? You guys just jump in, or or? What are your thoughts?

Speaker 2: 19:54

I mean, if you, if you're, you can go through the whole thing. But if you want uh, I could just do a uh 10 second uh overview.

Speaker 1: 20:02

So if you want to get it, yeah, once you do a 10 second and then yeah, all right, 10 second, second, second, second, second overview of changes to game pass.

Speaker 2: 20:12

You're spending more money there you go.

Speaker 1: 20:15

That's it the end. The end, yeah, okay, uh, no, I mean, yeah, I think it's not just spending more money, but like, so it's gonna be $19.99 a month for the ultimate, uh, but that still gives you access to the full library. Uh, it also gives you to the pc games, the ea play, day one titles, online multiplayer, right, and then, but then there's the standard one. It's limited library, it doesn't include day one titles anymore, uh, and that one's coming along that that one might not be out the time this.

Speaker 1: 20:51

This change has happened in september, but they're saying that that's a coming soon one that's 14.99, and then 11.99 is the pc pat game pass, which is just pc games and ea uh, pat play. And then you have the game pass council, which is $10.99, uh, and that is limited library of xbox games, alongside member deals and discounts. Um, it's no longer available to purchase as new subscribers. And then you have the Xbox Game Pass Core, which is $9.99 a month and that's 25 games that you can play in Game Pass and then some online multiplayer and then member discounts. But like, that's it Okay.

Speaker 3: 21:39

When you say that's it for $20 a month I have access to. I'm going to throw out 250, 300 games.

Speaker 1: 21:48

Listen, I don't mind. I don't mind paying the $20 a month. I don't mind that. I don't like this tier shit that they're doing. I just I hate that it's been tiered for a while, though. Yeah, but they're adding more tiers to it, though. Okay and, and I like, and I, I like, I like the idea of having this day one. You know playing and now it's just like. Well, only if you get the ultimate, you can't play day one games anymore, instead of paying 60 for a game.

Speaker 3: 22:14

You can pay 20 for a month and get access to that game and probably play all the way through it. That's not the point when they, when they are showing instead of paying $60 for a game, you can pay $20 for a month and get access to that game and probably play all the way through it.

Speaker 1: 22:20

That's not the point. When they, when they were showing a couple weeks ago, when they were showing the xbox uh summer game things that they were doing there that xbox want to showcase that's the word I'm looking for. They're like coming to game pass, get to play day one, but they didn't say only with ultimate okay, still 20 versus 60 I just I, I know seven, but yeah, 20 versus 70.

Speaker 3: 22:46

And there's people that are out there complaining like, no, I gotta pay 240 a year to pay play call of duty black ops no, you can buy the game for 70, not have to pay 240 a year. Like people are just complaining for the sake of complaining, the price of everything is going up right now, for example, the price of a case of avocados right now. Just complaining for the sake of complaining.

Speaker 4: 22:59

The price of everything is going up right now, For example the price of a case of avocados right now is $115.

Speaker 3: 23:03

for a case of avocados, that's 48 avocados. Six months ago, a case of avocados was $48, basically a dollar an avocado. Yeah, I'm dead-ass serious. The price of a case of butter right now is $160. Six months ago it was $120. You want to tack on $3 a month more for me to be able to play 250 games, unlimited access.

Speaker 1: 23:21

I'll take it. I didn't know we were going to fight over this.

Speaker 3: 23:24

I'm not fighting, I'm just, I'm stating facts, man.

Speaker 1: 23:27

I'm just I'm just saying like I don't know, Versus 20. I agree, I just I'm, and I'm going to pay the 20. And I will say this you look at PlayStation and I think it's way more confusing than PlayStation's what their whole tier system that they got going on. I was just hoping that it wouldn't be so complicated. I don't mind the Pice hike, I just think these whole different tier things is just weird. That's the part I don't like.

Speaker 3: 23:56

It doesn't matter just what you want when you want yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2: 24:01

I don't know if I was running, yeah, yeah like if I was in charge of microsoft, and this I mean they should know I, I, they should know that making this kind of announcement isn't going to go over well with the general public, and that's not just microsoft, that's anybody like. That's anything people find out. They're paying more money for anything. Of course it's going to be negative. Nobody's going to be like, oh boy, I get to spend more money yay, I didn't get a raise. Take more of my money maybe taylor swift fans, but um that's okay.

Speaker 3: 24:36

Six hundred dollars to sit in the last row of a 7,000.

Speaker 2: 24:39

That is a true statement but I don't know if I, if I was running Microsoft, I would have tried to soften that blow with saying, but here's what's, here's what you're going to get Like, or here's a bunch of other games Like. This would be a good time to say, okay, we know you're spending more money, but guess what? We just dropped 30 Activision games on Game Pass.

Speaker 1: 25:02

Yep.

Speaker 2: 25:02

Yeah. They could have done something to make it a little bit.

Speaker 1: 25:07

I agree, I feel like I'm not getting anything more. I feel like it's just like you're going to be paying more for the same service but now you can pay less for less. And I mean, I guess, if you're like I don't really care about day one games and I just want the online, just give me 10 bucks a month. Okay, great, that's awesome. But I I agree with you, mike, I don't feel like there was any added value that they're adding for this. Like and I mean, we did argue this last week, last two weeks, because I separated the episodes into two episodes but like, is Xbox really doing enough to like showcase Game Pass is worth it? I mean, I think it is. But the games that are coming out like you know, sebastian was making some good points Like they're not tens out of tens. Like is this a? And I don't, I don't care, I don't. I think that's fine, but I don't know, I guess that's a question, I don't know. What do you guys thought? I mean, what do you guys think?

Speaker 3: 26:10

I think you've got 26 jillion people that play call of duty. Yeah, and even if you're only gonna play it for a month, for 20, for a month worth of unlimited multiplayer in a game not a bad deal. Yeah, it's like when everybody was complaining about the outage that happened a couple of days ago for seven hours or whatever, and they were demanding refunds, demanding free games and stuff like that. When you broke down that seven hours over what it costs for a month of game pass we'll even say 20 you lost 36 cents. You really think that you deserve a $70 title for free over losing 36 fucking cents? That's a good point.

Speaker 1: 26:45

That doesn't make sense, that doesn't add up no puns intended no, that was intended.

Speaker 2: 26:52

It was awful, but it was intended yeah well, I don't know, like I said, these things happen. It sucks, but you know what? What I'll say to this is, uh, what I say to anything that happens in life that, uh, that me, that to me is a little inconvenience. What are you gonna do? Yep if spending an extra two dollars on game pass or an extra whatever for PlayStation Plus or whatever is the worst thing that happens to you, then you know what You've got a pretty damn good life.

Speaker 3: 27:24

Yeah, that's true, absolutely. You're not eating 25-cent bean burritos from Taco Bell every day because you're only making $3.25 an hour. And that's all you can afford. I'm going back to 1996, 1997, when I was making $3, 25 cents an hour and I was eating taco bell bean burritos just to suffice myself. Like three dollars is not that much in this day and age, in this economy. Inflation's been happening since the beginning of time. It will continue to happen. It's going to happen. There's nothing you can do to fight it is there?

Speaker 1: 27:53

is there a price point where you would say I'm not gonna pay for?

Speaker 3: 27:58

ultimate mean if you throw a ridiculous number out there, as a Microsoft apologist and I'll call myself a Microsoft fanboy because I firmly believe their system is the best one on the market, mainly because of the accessibility as well as the ease of use I mean you're going to throw a ridiculous number out like 50 bucks a month. You know what? That's still $1.25 a day to have access to all of this stuff as well as internet and to play games with my friends. Am I gonna be happy about paying 50 a month? You're one of my friends, mike. I know I'm joking am I gonna pay?

Speaker 3: 28:31

it probably. Yeah. Am I gonna be happy about it? No, not really, but I'm gonna eat it. I eat my car insurance every month. I have to have that. I don't have to necessarily have Xbox, but it's a thing that I need to have. You're going to jack it up to $100 a month? All right, let's have a conversation about $3 a day. All right, now we can have that talk.

Speaker 1: 28:48

Yeah, I think for me $50,. I would say I'm out, I'm not paying that.

Speaker 3: 28:57

I play my Xbox enough where $50 a month is going to do its thing.

Speaker 1: 29:00

Yeah, I think I think 20, I'm not, I'm not batting an eye really at that, right, I just I just think that I wish that there was a little bit more. Like the price is going up, but here's all the cool things that we're adding, right.

Speaker 3: 29:19

Yeah, I can agree to that, um, but you're also continuously getting games added to it as well and it's new games that are added to it, and I'm not gonna be.

Speaker 3: 29:29

I'm gonna be me, but I'm not gonna be me. I am more hesitant to pay nintendo 30 a year for their online service than I'm to pay microsoft 30 a month and I know it's not 30 a month yet but I'm more hesitant to pay Nintendo $30 a year that I am to pay Microsoft $30 a month, because what Nintendo is giving me is a bunch of games that have been out for 30 years, 20 years that I have almost zero interest in playing. And if I really wanted to, I could figure out how to use technology and do that thing that everybody else does and ROM hack it. It's to me it's a no brainer.

Speaker 1: 30:04

Yeah, no, I mean I agree with you on that one. I mean, I think if I were Nintendo, if I were Nintendo and I had an online service like that, like I would be throwing things in that if you're a subscriber you'll get like a cool car in. And they do that, did you? Even games that are five years old, throw it, oh yeah, sure like uh, whatever, first one that came out of the breath of the wild, throw that up there. Breath of the wild, throw that in there just mario odyssey.

Speaker 2: 30:31

Yeah, yeah, switch if you're gonna throw a car, yeah yeah or arms all right throw arms, exactly, throw arms out there.

Speaker 1: 30:38

But but the I would do other things too, like, hey, fortnite, you get to have a Mario costume. I would add other things in there, that I would work with those companies and be like, hey, we want to do a skin of this character in this game, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, exactly, I do think the Mario they do have the Mario Kart stuff.

Speaker 2: 31:00

I mean, like there's the Mario Kart stuff they put in there, for the online is like can be an entire new game in and of itself. That's how much content. It is, but you're also paying extra for it, because it's only if you get the expanded.

Speaker 1: 31:16

That's true. That's true too. Yeah, no for it, because it's only if you get the expanded. That's true. That's true too. Yeah, no, I agree, I mean in and I mean I hope that, whatever the next system comes out, they're not like I hope they continue to support the switch online, like it will be the same for both systems. It wouldn't just be like oh now, like you, you know, like you bought the extended but it's not going to really be anything anymore because, like the, the virtual console for the wii I was thinking, virtual boy, you just had me lost for a half a second where I went but yeah, but I mean, like they brought all those games up for the virtual boy too, right, and now you're rebuying them again, like I know it's.

Speaker 1: 31:55

I know it's different, I know subscription versus you, you know bought those games, but I don't know, I just, I agree, I agree with you on that one, I, I think, I think that they should hold in a roll of toilet paper what?

Speaker 2: 32:11

this doesn't roll a toilet paper. This isn't even a switch. If that's what you were going for, sorry, Sorry. We're not on camera. This is a listening podcast. We'll talk about that later.

Speaker 1: 32:21

Yeah, um, but yeah, I agree. I think that they could come out with free games like day one or even older games.

Speaker 3: 32:34

This all kind of snowballs into the same thing that we discussed with Baron and Sebastian, where people just they, the new cool thing to do is shut down Microsoft for anything that they do. And that's kind of what this snowballs into is just like, oh, microsoft's raising prices, but what are they actually doing? Well, I just outlined what they're doing. They're giving you 300 games a month, 250 games a month, for 20 a month, and those are new games, those are day one games you're not getting and a party system that actually works on the system itself. They're they're giving you decent value for 20 a month yeah, and I will say this their cloud is fantastic.

Speaker 3: 33:10

You don't even have to download most of their games to play.

Speaker 1: 33:12

I agree with you. That to me, I think, is well worth it. It's like holy crap, this cloud is amazing. I will give them that that is pretty awesome.

Speaker 2: 33:22

And they just released Game Pass for Fire Stick too, didn't they?

Speaker 1: 33:25

Yeah, they did. That's crazy. That Two didn't they this week? Yeah, they did, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Alright, that's all I had on that.

Speaker 3: 33:34

That's all I got. Yeah, we're done. I'm done defending Microsoft for the next six minutes.

Speaker 1: 33:39

Okay, speaking of Microsoft, no, just kidding.

Speaker 3: 33:42

Make it six seconds.

Speaker 1: 33:44

Let's talk about the games we're currently playing. Phil, I'll start with you. I know that you said it's a light week, so I'll start with you first. What games are you playing?

Speaker 3: 33:53

uh, the only thing that I've really been playing have been the usuals, aside from playing some killer clowns from outer space with you, roger, as well as playing around to golf with you, mike, but outside of that it's been overwatch in the show for me, like it always is, because I because I, just need to shut down my brain when I get home from work and I don't really have to think when I play those two games. It's all muscle memory and that's why I continue to do them and I thoroughly enjoy unlocking stuff.

Speaker 1: 34:18

I'm just a sucker for it yeah, the killer clowns was pretty fun you getting better at it, roger no, no, roger plays against bots, he doesn't play against real people no, no, no, hold on, hold on

Speaker 1: 34:31

hold on when we played uh, we, we did play against real people and uh, I, phil, laughed at me because I was like the language on these people and you're like, have you never played online games before? Like, so, it's proxy audio, right? So I was a human and this clown came up and was like look at this fucking idiot god, that was before the entire game started and he's like I'm gonna fucking murder all y'all yeah, yeah, some shit like that.

Speaker 3: 35:02

You're just like the language, I'm just like dude.

Speaker 1: 35:03

This is, this is normal yeah, this is normal this is trash talking but the funny one was we were getting on a boat and we left carter behind, oh man, and he was like cedar, though no, it's three cedar oh, it's three it's three.

Speaker 1: 35:24

But he but, uh, somebody else jumped on the boat and he was fighting off the clown and he was like, okay, I guess I slept behind fighting off the clowns and you guys laughed. That was really funny. And then there was another one that I escaped, but you didn't escape with me on that one, phil, that was just me, that was just me on the boat, and every time we played it it was like we always played humans and I was like come on, I want to play a clown. But we never got to play clown um.

Speaker 3: 35:56

I joined the favor of the humans in order to be play-dohs yeah, yeah it was, it was fun.

Speaker 1: 36:02

I mean I actually like, I mean it was good, I and I my I gave my score, uh, so it's's up on GamerHeadsPodcast and I don't remember. I think I gave it a B+, I think. Let me just check, but I will say, like, so I like the game. I like the Ghostbusters Ilphonic game better Just because you're playing. Yeah, I gave it a B Because you're playing as a Ghostbuster and I just thought that was fun and it's a different game. It's a totally different game, right? So it's like you have four Ghostbusters trying to take on one ghost and this one, and I feel like both sides were way more evenly matched because, you know, ghostbusters have all their equipment and the ghosts have their abilities, but in this game the killer clowns have stuff, but the humans really don't have a whole lot.

Speaker 3: 36:57

They have guns you gotta scavenge your goods yeah, so it's different.

Speaker 1: 37:03

it's a just different game. The one thing that I I'm curious about is this is like the third game, now that they know fourth game maybe right, so they did Friday the 13th, they did Predator game.

Speaker 3: 37:16

They did Predator game too.

Speaker 1: 37:18

Yeah, I didn't realize that they did the Ghostbusters one and now they did this one.

Speaker 2: 37:22

Texas.

Speaker 1: 37:24

They didn't do Texas, that was into Texas. That's somebody else.

Speaker 3: 37:29

Oh my, my question is like, do they start eating at their own player base when they start coming like because they're all kind of the same kind of game, right well, it's also one of those things that like unless you're a dipshit like me that just plays overwatch for seven years non-stop, you're gonna move on to the next one and check it out. Well, they've also lost the licensing for all the friday, the 13th. Yeah, that's true so they can't add anything on to that either.

Speaker 1: 37:58

Yeah, and I don't think they've added anything on to either ghostbusters or the predator game no, they did the ghostbusters one they just added the boogeyman from ghost was a real ghostbusters they had okay, yeah, they had new ghosts all the time okay um, so, but?

Speaker 1: 38:13

but it just made me think like, but no, that's, you're right. Like that group will move on to the next game, like are the majority of them the same player base? That then moves on to the next game and then moves on the next game. And then what happens to those old games?

Speaker 3: 38:26

I think, in a situation like this, you're going to attach to the license that you prefer.

Speaker 1: 38:30

Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 3: 38:32

And also each new one that comes out is more polished than the last as well, because, I mean, there's a world of differential between Killer Clowns and Friday the 13th.

Speaker 1: 38:38

Yeah, well, and they are much different. Well, I mean, I guess Friday the 13th is very similar to Killer Clowns but, like, ghostbusters and killer clowns are way different. Like, the gameplay is way different, right, so it is much different, but I just thought it was interesting. Versus, like, where you see dead was a dead by daylight, right, that's the other, um, where they just add characters into that game, right, different characters from different franchises, um, it's just a different way of doing that, it's a different model. It's the same base game, regardless of the characters you're playing with, right. So I don't know, it was interesting, uh, anything else, phil not that I can recall uh, mike, what about you?

Speaker 2: 39:23

I'm not very happy with you guys right now, phil. Whoa, whoa, I'm cranky.

Speaker 1: 39:31

What did you do?

Speaker 2: 39:32

I haven't gotten enough sleep.

Speaker 1: 39:35

Wow, how is that Phil's fault?

Speaker 3: 39:38

Yeah, did I play something else with you that I don't recall?

Speaker 2: 39:40

No, but you had to talk about Bellatro.

Speaker 1: 39:46

Oh, I had to get Bellatro as a gift. I saw you playing that. I saw you playing that. I saw you playing that. I had to. I had I feel.

Speaker 3: 39:55

I feel like you started this when we were playing golf and you brought it up the curtain.

Speaker 2: 39:59

It got in your own brain from there I, I was bored, I wanted something to play. Oh, I could play this for a few minutes no such thing, yeah, oh my gosh, I that's what I've been going just just non-stop at bellatro and I I finally beat around, or?

Speaker 1: 40:19

yeah, that's a good feeling, yeah yeah, um, I'm enjoying it.

Speaker 2: 40:25

I mean, obviously it's a lot of fun, but I'm wondering, I want to try it a little bit more, but I I don't want to get stuck in just doing two pair each time.

Speaker 3: 40:36

Cause that's the most common. It's like all I'm doing is two pair.

Speaker 2: 40:40

two pair, oh, we should try. You should try working on leveling up your straights or leveling up your flushes, but two pair is.

Speaker 1: 40:49

It's a money maker, especially when you get that, um, that joker. That's like the. What is that? The, the two pair pants or something like that. There's like the, where it doubles every time you play a two pair, it adds like another.

Speaker 2: 41:04

Like yeah, uh, another multiplier, multiple multiplayer on it, yeah so, um, so again, I have a lot of fun with it. It's, it's. It's just one silly song, but I love the song that that plays while you're while you're playing the game and I love like the effects that happens when you start uh getting multipliers and like where you place your jokers also impacts how many points you get and where what cards you play first, like there's so much, there's so much meta to it that I'm finding that very enjoyable.

Speaker 2: 41:36

Um, I hope I will continue to enjoy it, but the more I think about it I'm like well, it's just, I just do two pair every time because that's what works and it makes me think like did I is?

Speaker 2: 41:48

did I break the game, or did it is, or is there something I don't know of, or so I've been doing that. But uh, it's got to the point that my son got into it. He's playing it non-stop. He actually had a bunch of jokers that. So one of the jokers was, you know, it adds whenever you get a club, and then the next joker after that was for every face card, you get a multiplier as well. But, then the card next to that copies the card in front of it.

Speaker 1: 42:24

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:26

So this multiplier and everything kept going, and it kept going for so long that the game automatically started speeding up in order to calculate everything the game sped itself up that's cool, I've been having a lot of fun with that one, so thank you very much both of you for recommending that game the other game that I was playing was well again, because my son had control of the xbox and was playing that bellatro is, I grabbed philly might want to cover your ears.

Speaker 2: 42:59

I grabbed the switch and, uh, in in uh, handheld mode, I started playing some more Pinball FX. Oh, I'm back. Pinball FX 3, actually that I was playing.

Speaker 3: 43:11

Pinball FX 3 is the best one.

Speaker 2: 43:14

Well, and the thing that sucks, though, about the Pinball FX it's the same company, but different tables work on different versions, like if I want to play like. So, for example, if I want to play the South Park table, I have to load up Pinball FX. But if I want to play the South Park table, I have to load up Pinball FX. But if I want to?

Speaker 1: 43:32

play some of the.

Speaker 2: 43:33

Universal Studios ones. I got to load up Pinball FX 3. They didn't make them, I don't know.

Speaker 3: 43:39

Which is where my huge complaint with that entire thing came from because I've been playing Pinball FX. Sorry to stomp on your touchdown call here.

Speaker 3: 43:45

Go for it, but everything that I had from two carried over to three, but not everything for two or three carried over to fx and, in fact, nothing did, which is why, when fx came out, it was just like, yeah, I don't like this game because of this. Like I've already dropped, I'll say, a hundred dollars into this game, buying all these different tables, and now they're all gone and I gotta start again.

Speaker 2: 44:03

This is bullshit yeah yeah, I don't know which one was first.

Speaker 3: 44:07

3 was before FX.

Speaker 2: 44:11

All right Okay.

Speaker 3: 44:15

Sure, I wouldn't lie to you, Mike.

Speaker 2: 44:17

No, I know but why is 3 coming before 1?

Speaker 3: 44:23

Same reason that 360 comes before 1.

Speaker 2: 44:26

Okay, yeah, well, that's Okay, anyway. So I was having a lot of fun with that, and even more fun was when I realized that on Pinball FX on the Switch, in handheld mode, they have a Tate option. Oh, really so I just I, just I had. I had the, the switch system in my lap um vertical and I had. I took the joy cons out and all I saw was just the pinball table itself. So it was that's awesome yeah. So do you have?

Speaker 1: 45:03

do you have that thing? Do you have that? Uh, yes, the adapter, that, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2: 45:08

I do, but that does not work on the OLED and I have the OLED.

Speaker 1: 45:12

Oh, okay, I see.

Speaker 2: 45:14

So I had a lot of fun with that. So I played a Junkyard, which was one of my favorite ones, and we had a Junkyard pinball table in college, and then one of my other favorites, champion pub which is another.

Speaker 2: 45:29

It's another awesome one that's on that. And then I started playing the south park pinball table, which, um, I love that it's. It's not the official south park like the the real life one. It's just they made up their own but they use clips from the show and everything like that. It was uh, so I had a lot of fun with that that's a a tough table too. Yeah, and there's a big sale right now.

Speaker 1: 45:52

Oh, you said that.

Speaker 2: 46:01

I don't know if it's still on sale or not, but I picked up. Most of my pinball tables are on the Switch because they went on sale a lot more often than on the Xbox. I also picked up it was on sale the Charlie Brown Christmas pinball table. Oh really. That's on just straight FX, not 3, right, I think that's on just FX, but the cool thing I like about FX is that you can unlock different ornaments and things.

Speaker 2: 46:24

Yeah, I unlocked a box of cheesy poofs and then I set it up in my pinball room.

Speaker 1: 46:28

That's cool.

Speaker 2: 46:31

So then I busted out the quest 3 and I started playing star wars pinball on that.

Speaker 1: 46:36

Yeah it was awesome I was gonna say, because the same thing, you can set up your whole room and have star wars stuff in the room, right? I just cared about being able to look down, yeah, that's cool, isn't that cool, actually playing an actual?

Speaker 3: 46:49

pinball game, isn't it cool? Is that from Zen as well?

Speaker 1: 46:52

Yes, yeah, okay, and they also have regular pinball effects too.

Speaker 2: 47:00

But the selection of games on pinball effects. Vr is not as robust as console.

Speaker 1: 47:09

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 47:09

I think it's just some zen tables, some of the zen tables that they make, and then I think maybe there's another pack that has three tables, and then I think there's the walking dead tables, but I'm not sure they have.

Speaker 1: 47:24

They have the universal tables, because I have like universal yeah, I have et and jaws and back to the future.

Speaker 2: 47:31

So but playing it on fx man, that was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1: 47:34

Or playing the, the game on the vr was a blast yeah, because, yeah, it really feels like, yeah, you just walk right up to the machine, isn't that cool? I I've often said they should just build an arcade, like an old school arcade, and then you can just like you know a couple dollars a game, you can just put like, oh, you know two dollars for pac-man, put pac-man into my arcade and yeah, I'm surprised, like atari or activation hasn't done that with one of their legacy.

Speaker 3: 47:59

Yeah right like.

Speaker 1: 48:01

I would totally buy that and have your own like, and then just set it up in your room, right, and just be like okay, here's my virtual room, this is what, this is what my arcade, and then just walk around in a room and get to be able to play. That'd be awesome yeah it'd be so cool, I would totally do that.

Speaker 1: 48:17

So cool, anything else, nope that was it um, so for me, uh, yeah, some some killer clowns. We mentioned that already. Uh, I've been playing some more star wars hunters, um, so I streamed that the other night. That was really fun.

Speaker 3: 48:33

Um I watched you replay that, by the way, last night after you came from the racetrack.

Speaker 1: 48:37

Yeah, yeah, I, uh, I played some rank matches. I actually did pretty good. I mean, I came in first place on my team and we won. So that's pretty decent, you know. But one thing, one thing I will say. So it doesn't really matter if you get in first place or not, because that doesn't really matter. It's. It's, you know, that doesn't really play into the ranking or anything like that, but, but I will say, playing a healer and maybe this is the same in Overwatch, but like the points are based on how many kills you have and how many deaths and how many assists, and the healer in star wars hunters there's two healers, um, but zelena is the one that I play as a lot and she just has a pistol and she's not gonna kill any.

Speaker 1: 49:23

She's not doing any damage. There's not much. She's not doing much. She does a lot of healing. She's a really awesome healer, but she doesn't do much. I'm always in the bottom. Whenever I play as the healer, I'm always on the bottom of the team. It's like you got like 200 points. I'm like, yeah, I understand, but I heal, I healed the hell out of my team and I feel like that should give me more points.

Speaker 3: 49:44

So I don't know, roger, I'm gonna cut you off right there.

Speaker 3: 49:46

Yeah, no second, because I'm just apparently in that kind of mood. Uh, overwatch is not a points based game, okay, where there's no like ranking for how much, how many points you get for how much damage you do or anything like that like it just breaks down your damage, your kills, your assists, your death, your healing, your mitigated damage. So I mean it's not point based like that, which in my opinion, encourages a lot more team play than like playing for yourself, because you're not being ranked on that statistically as to where you fall on the, on the categorization yeah, yeah, no, that that makes sense.

Speaker 1: 50:17

Um, and then there's, there's like, some of the daily quests are things like you have to eliminate zelena three times. Well, you better hope that your opponent's picking zelena right, like, like, otherwise that's not happening. But yeah, it's fun. It's a fun game.

Speaker 3: 50:34

I have three more characters to unlock Is the frame rate better than it looked when you streamed it, because the frame rate looks pretty shitty.

Speaker 1: 50:40

It's pretty rough. Yeah, it's pretty rough. It's not the greatest, it's probably a little bit better, but not that much better. But the matches are short, which makes it a lot easier. Like that makes life a lot easier. And then I guess they're going to be adding new characters for the upcoming seasons and new events, because I was streaming it last night and I said there's a lot of space here and I guess somebody in the chat said, yeah, they're planning to add more characters as the season goes on or as in new seasons. So that's cool. And then the other game I've been playing I didn't play this when it first came out. I'm playing Paper Mario. Thousand Year Door, thousand Year Door.

Speaker 1: 51:27

Yeah, Look my doorbell is ringing, I got to go. Look my doorbell's ringing, I gotta go. No, it's fun. Mike, have you played this game before?

Speaker 2: 51:36

What do you think?

Speaker 1: 51:38

Yes.

Speaker 2: 51:39

I'll let you guess. I'll let you guess my situation when it comes to Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door.

Speaker 1: 51:44

Go ahead, I'll give you one guess, oh shoot, did you have a GameCube?

Speaker 2: 51:49

Yeah, I have a GameCube.

Speaker 1: 51:51

You did. You had a GameCube. I'm going to guess no.

Speaker 2: 51:54

Well, yeah, that's yeah, so I haven't played it, but you're missing the first part.

Speaker 1: 52:01

What's that? Do you own it? You own it. You just don't. You never played it. You just don't, nope, I got on this.

Speaker 2: 52:09

There we go, I've got the game but it's just part of my backlog.

Speaker 3: 52:13

Is it still wrapped?

Speaker 2: 52:15

The Switch version.

Speaker 1: 52:16

Yes, gamecube, I'm sorry, you broke up there. What was the thing? What did you say?

Speaker 3: 52:21

Oh, it's not Mike breaking up, it's you, roger. Oh my God, the rest of us are still here is still here.

Speaker 2: 52:30

I said I've got the game on the switch in the game cube and the switch version is wrapped up, but I haven't played.

Speaker 1: 52:35

Oh yes, but I will get to it.

Speaker 2: 52:35

Eventually retirement's gonna be fun.

Speaker 1: 52:39

Yes, wait, do you do. You do have it on a switch too. You own it okay yeah no, it's good, it's a, it's a, it's a good game. Um, it made me think, though, like because you're working with the goombas and not all koopas are bad, and I was like, oh man, is mario, mario, just just murdering all these goombas and koopas with, like just non-discriminatory, just like I'm just gonna kill you all?

Speaker 3: 53:03

and then turns out to video games. Yeah, he's nothing but a heel and nobody wants to realize it and or understand that's true.

Speaker 1: 53:10

That's true. I think you're right and I feel like I feel like, uh, I'm like holy crap, like not all these are bad guys. Uh, some of these have feelings and like actually have families and have have things that they worry about. And, mario's, just like I'm going to stomp on your head, I don't really care, it's just awful.

Speaker 3: 53:32

You ever think of how many families' lives were ruined when the Death Star got blown up?

Speaker 1: 53:35

That's true, that's the whole clerks thing. I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I had a friend Baby face.

Speaker 3: 53:47

Yeah, it's kind of like in Rogue rogue one, like you kind of realize that the rebels are a bunch of shitheads and they're just yeah, no, it's true like terrorists that's true.

Speaker 1: 53:57

You're like, oh my gosh, they're not all these great heroes, they're.

Speaker 3: 54:02

They're kind of shady, I think that's part of the reason why george lucas decided they were all clones. So that way you didn't like think about that a second time. You're just like, yeah, yeah, they're all clones. It's fine, yeah, but but if you watch the, clone wars.

Speaker 1: 54:12

But if you watch the clone wars, the cartoon and then the bad batch, you're like, oh, but they have feelings and they, they have like that's why they say out and they get shot.

Speaker 1: 54:21

Yeah, that's true, that's true. Uh, I was playing as the speaking of of clones. I was playing, uh, as the stormtrooper, the sentinel character in uh in over, in, uh, star wars hunters and star wars overwatch, and I was like missing and I was like, oh man, just like a real stormtrooper here, I can't hit anything, what the hell when I start missing my shots.

Speaker 3: 54:43

That's when I call it a night. I'm like oh, I have had too many beers. I gotta go to bed.

Speaker 1: 54:46

Oh, that wasn't too many beers, it was just poor shooting.

Speaker 3: 54:51

Yeah, I at least have an excuse, roger, it's true, I don't.

Speaker 1: 54:57

But yeah, those are the games that I've been playing recently, and yeah, there's another game, but I just can't talk about it, right now. So we'll wait until next week, but I think that's we're gonna wrap up the show this week. Uh, before we go, why don't we tell the good people how they can follow us on social media? Phil, how can people follow you on social media?

Speaker 3: 55:18

you're good people and maybe not so good people. You can follow me on twitter. What you said the good people. I want the bad people to follow me too. I probably have better discussions with them they understand me, they get me okay, I'm a rebel, dotty nice thank you, I did too, yeah, uh I'm on twitter at b, now 23, you can follow me. I don't really post much, but I am there from time to time you are, that's true, oh, and you have another podcast follow the the oh my Podcast Wrestling God damn it.

Speaker 3: 55:50

I don't have it off the top of my head, I think it's just OMP. Wrestling on Twitter is where the wrestling podcast is. We got a big interview we're doing next week that I'm kind of stoked for.

Speaker 1: 55:59

Yeah, see how it all plays out.

Speaker 3: 56:01

Just did a Money in the Bank episode as well tonight. Right before recording this, I spent all day in the basement. It is my basement, not my parents, so it's okay.

Speaker 3: 56:08

But yeah, follow us if you're a fan of pro wrestling, follow us, give us a listen, tell us how much we suck and we'll embrace it. We had Mike on last week as well, who provided some insight as to what a VIP experience is like at a WWE house show event and also gave his thoughts on a lot of things as well. Mike, we appreciate you being there, you to be in there.

Speaker 2: 56:25

It was fun it was long.

Speaker 3: 56:28

All of our episodes are long, turns out. When you're going to talk about eight hours of wrestling content in a week, it gets.

Speaker 1: 56:33

Yeah, so that's that's a lot to cover, man, that's a lot yep uh cool uh. Mike, how can people follow you on social media?

Speaker 2: 56:42

uh, you could find me at pez guy mike on twitter, and I only want people that are apathetic to follow me okay, that's fair, that's fair, that's a fair statement you just got, followed by Orange Cassidy.

Speaker 1: 56:55

That'd be awesome. I'll take that and listeners. You can follow us on Twitter at GamerHeadsPod. You can follow me on Twitter at Nintendraj. Remember, we do have both of those contests going on right now Giveaway for the PAX tickets and also the lowest score challenge for Contra. Any entrance on that lowest score will get you entered for a $50 gift card to the eShop that's going on. You can go to our website at GamerHeadsPodcastcom where you can hear this show and other shows that we have and read our reviews as well. So check that out. Well, phil, thank you so much for joining us this week. Thank you for having me. And Mike, thank you so much for joining us this week.

Speaker 2: 57:42

Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1: 57:45

You're welcome and listeners. Thank you so much for giving us a listen. If you like what you hear, leave us a review. We want to hear what you have to say about the show that helps us grow as well. So until next week, everyone, stay safe and game on bye so long take care.