Hungry Dog Barbell Podcast
Terrence & Octavius: mental health and the black man
With May being mental health awareness month Terrence, Oct and myself discuss men’s mental healthy , identity and of course a little Drake vs Kendrick.
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With May being mental health awareness month Terrence, Oct and myself discuss men’s mental healthy , identity and of course a little Drake vs Kendrick.
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You was interviewing somebody or you was being interviewed for something.
Speaker 2:I was interviewing somebody. I was interviewing somebody for an inside sales position for my business. That's funny.
Speaker 1:You had your interview voice on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, asking the compelling questions.
Speaker 1:That's it.
Speaker 2:I sent her out a uh. I sent them uh some instructions on, uh, what to do to prepare for the interview, the questions I wanted to answer. Now I hit her with the real stuff. I was like yo, what was the last book you read?
Speaker 1:oh, oh that one nobody working for me that ain't read no book in seven years what if they hit you with like I don't know, like the, the order of merlin, some like fantasy novel, what you said? I specifically said self-development oh, okay, okay, I got you. I got you corporate terrorists in the building today um we out, fellas, let's dive right into this. On that, note what you were just talking about. I know you on LinkedIn, dude right, like you'd be on LinkedIn trapping and shit Chill out, chill out.
Speaker 2:That's your spot, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Is it not your spot, yo? So I recently, oh him and our other dude, kurt, finally convinced me to get on there. In the last conversation I had with curry, he was talking about linkedin yeah, on linkedin. You know it's trash.
Speaker 3:I hate the notifications that you're giving me like it just, I signed up for that thing like like years ago, and I don't even if you go in there and find my bio like that.
Speaker 2:It's old news, that's not you but the thing is, it's like it's good for some purposes. I use it I.
Speaker 1:I've gotten some money off hey, that's like it's good for some purposes.
Speaker 2:I use it. I've gotten some money off.
Speaker 1:Hey, that's lit. I'm glad for you, man, I'm going to expose it. It asked me. It was like do you know Vincent Fabrizio? Yes, I know exactly who that is and I don't want to know them again. It's someone that I knew from 10 years ago. So when they asked me, do I know? It's someone that I knew from 10 years ago. So when they asked me, do I know? I'm like, yeah, that's the problem, I don't. I don't want them to kind of try to come know me again. You know, you give me the most trash notifications. Oh my God, I don't want to know them again.
Speaker 3:It's crazy. There's enough social media Facebook and Instagram and if you need, if you need to find me, like you could probably find me there and I don't have to deal with you, but linkedin, that's a stretch you try to reach out to me linkedin.
Speaker 1:You don't want to contact me.
Speaker 2:I'm cool I can see where it can be valuable. I do try to reach out to you on linkedin. It's important they try and get.
Speaker 1:They try to get in touch with you, yeah yeah, well, I can see how true, but also, I'm cool, I'm cool find a different avenue. You know I'm cool, yeah, nah, I'm good yo, terrence, your guys, they gone, man the Lakers, they got swept right up out of here we was talking about it.
Speaker 2:I told you yeah, we gonna. We'll be able to watch a game this weekend, but sadly haven't cause. Uh, them boys, nah, they gone bro?
Speaker 1:how would you feel, how would y'all feel, if they circulate right now as if KD LeBron and Steph get together?
Speaker 2:You mean the old squad? We gotta cut that out, man.
Speaker 1:You don't want to see that.
Speaker 3:That's for money. That's all money. That's not the basketball game that we knew. That's not the basketball game we knew. I don't know. Jordan played with like five.
Speaker 2:Ron shouldn't retire.
Speaker 1:Chill Jordan played with like five top 75 players. No, like three. You know, ron's the one that should retire. Of the three of them, he's the oldest.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's not going to he he's probably gonna play like another six, seven years, to be honest, oh, that's the way the way that man move. He could probably go another six, seven years for real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're a bugger, they say. He put okay, so into his body every year.
Speaker 3:That's crazy look when I say another six, seven years like not like not 40 a game. Like he's not playing straight, straight minutes. Like think about it, like most, most top athletes, they they don't just stop after, like playing an entire game. Like their numbers just kind of decrease over the years and then they retire yeah, not all like six years.
Speaker 1:Shannon Sharp, not old goat James, not old goat James Shannon would be wild, but he right though I mean, like Shaq at the end of his career, what he was with like where did he go?
Speaker 3:Cleveland, Right, he was coming off the bench as Shaq you know, right Playing like a couple minutes a game, if that you know, getting a couple buckets and that's it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so I mean shit, I don't know. I vote LeBron to retire. I think that since the end of, I think that whole conversation about him wanting to play with Bronny happened during COVID and also pre-NIL, and since the NIL came around and they could make money. I know that Bronny declared for the league, but since the NIL came around they could make money. So it doesn't really need to play with his son. His son doesn't need LeBron, james Cache and the NBA to go on.
Speaker 3:I think that would be like an accolade if anything. I played ball with my old man, or I played ball with my son, something like that, if that were to happen.
Speaker 1:So I think they're doing it for one more year.
Speaker 2:I think that's what the plan is. Let's call a spade, though. He don't deserve to be in the league without the name being attached to lebron jay he hates ronnie.
Speaker 1:No, I don't I don't hate.
Speaker 2:No, I don't hate him. The second statement definitely true. Um, I just I just like uh nah, he averages like four points a game in in college. What do you think you're gonna go go to the NBA and do more?
Speaker 1:He was a prep school kid man. What you all from him Like. Come on now.
Speaker 2:Well, that made me.
Speaker 1:But some people's games led themselves better to be in a professional league, especially when that professional league has been shaped by your father for the past 20 years. As of right now, the league like in the 90s they had the jordan rules, in the 2000s, right now they have the lebron rules. You know, like I mean, it may be shifting to like luca and other players like that, but the league is still shaped off of its highest star, which is lebron, and so his son can come in and know the game plan for how to like win games. You know, like lebrron be knowing how to win games. It's just too hard for him to do with his 19 year playing career body.
Speaker 2:It's just 21, 21. Yeah, however long it is, you know, but like I said, you call Bronny a three and D. That's what he going to be.
Speaker 1:Nah, bronny could be like. It could be like a Westbrook.
Speaker 2:He could develop more athleticism and try and be like that. Oh not, you not coming from the coach talking about he can develop more athleticism bryce is definitely the better son, though I agree with you I agree with you.
Speaker 1:He's putting bigger. That's what it is. It's a, it's a big person league right now.
Speaker 2:You say he's a better son. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:A better player. You may be exposed to that. Here we go. This is a perfect combo of people, I think, for this conversation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 1:Kendrick. He back outside. He dropped another one on Drake. I heard On. Instagram this morning. Did you hear it Terrence?
Speaker 3:He out for blood, my man's out for blood. Oh, did you hear?
Speaker 1:the new John.
Speaker 3:I haven't heard the new John. No.
Speaker 1:All right. So before we won't even count the new John yet right, tell me, terrence, how do you have it scored right now? Who's up?
Speaker 2:We up 2-0, drake, drake up 2-0. What Aubrey? Oh, tell me we up 2-0. Yo get him off this show right, that's the perfect number.
Speaker 3:You got to go back to interviewing, I'll keep it real.
Speaker 2:I'll keep it real, 1-1. I'm calling it 1-1.
Speaker 1:1-1. One one, that's my vote. One one, I'll tell you what you got.
Speaker 2:I don't think like that.
Speaker 1:I gotta go with.
Speaker 2:Kendrick.
Speaker 1:You got Kendrick 2-0? Yeah.
Speaker 3:The thing is and I say it's Kendrick because he hasn't changed anything this is just Kendrick doing Kendrick, whereas Drake, you look at those discs that he put out. It's there for it to be him, but did he write that? Who can confirm that? Who can confirm that?
Speaker 1:I think that's an invalid thing in these situations. I think that Drake has shown that he can write disc tracks, you know like it would be hard.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't want to say that yeah yeah, no, I'm saying that he can write diss tracks. You know, like it would be hard. Well, I don't want to say that yeah, yeah, no, I'm saying like he can have a room full of collaborators to help him write all those hit pop songs and stuff like that, cause that's what it takes to perform at that high level. I mean, look at Kanye, he had to do that his whole career. But outside of that, like the, the, the timestamp records where, like, he's taking a lot of these shots I think it would be, those are like personal shots, you know, like things that, like experiences that you live through with somebody else in order to be able to write the bars that you wrote. You know, in those timestamp songs, like attacking all the different people.
Speaker 1:Um, in this instance, I think it's funny that, like people are coming at drake for the, the tupac record, where he had the, the ai shit, but yo, kendrick, like what was that song that he had where he did the ai faces? That, like five years ago, yeah, yeah, yeah, kendrick had been doing that type shit too. It's as part of the, the tactics of doing it, you know, but I don't know. Yo, like, I'll give, if you look at. If you look at, uh, what first person should like that verse? Verse um push-ups, I would give that to drake. I give that one to him. But then when kendrick drops euphoria, he had bars on that. But then he doubled down and he said I was wondering why. He said like back to back, I like that record. I'm gonna get back to that for the record. I was wondering why he said that, because he came back with another one.
Speaker 3:He came back 40 48 hours.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, I was like damn I. I think kendrick, if drake don't have I was saying yo, like it's tough to mess with the boy in the summertime, but if drake don't come back with like like he better be in a fucking abiza, he better be in cameroon, like something. It better be fucking 12 22 in cameroon. It's gonna be hard, hard to come back from this dog.
Speaker 2:I don't know I don't think so.
Speaker 1:At any rate.
Speaker 3:I think it's good for the culture. I think it's good. It's good because there's a lot of music that's being put out that it's just not good Whoever is allowing these guys to have a platform to speak and rap or sing whatever. It's just trash, so to have the right, so to have, you know, the drake to have the kendrick cole. You know, all those guys that the the beef isn't like east coast, west coast beef, you know, I mean it's not like that this is just lyrical lyricism.
Speaker 3:That that's that's you know, going back and forth, and that's what the the culture needs, because again you got these guys that are putting out songs.
Speaker 1:It's like yo, yeah, turn that shit off and stop playing it, please like, let's just stop playing it, it's not good lyrical miracle yo, yo I mean drake said at the end of that jaw and he was like yo, you better go in there and do lyrical gymnastics, bro like and kendrick did in fact do that. He, he had fucking like oh my god, quadruple, it's hauntress I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't like all the people chiming into it, though. Like Futuray need to chime in, Kanye definitely need to chime in. We're all saying he need to chime in.
Speaker 1:It's funny though. That's just funny Like it's outside of the rap beef. It's just funny to see that going on. That's what happens whenever two monsters beef Like.
Speaker 2:I like the kendrick that's hilarious.
Speaker 1:You know that's funny. He's saying that meanwhile kendrick got a mixed wife and he has a mixed child. You know, like it's just funny that he's saying shit like uh, it ain't even gotta be all that deep. You know, like I just don't like you and like I can, I can relate to that like maybe some dude that's on a real human level, like he.
Speaker 3:Just, I just don't like you. There'll be some dudes I gotta work on a real human level.
Speaker 1:Like I just don't like you. There'd be some dudes I got to work with like as peers and stuff. Like I don't really like you. You know, it's not really a beef between us, it's just that me and you don't gel, we don't vibe together, you know, and I happen to think it's because of your vibe, but that's, I think it must be on your side, you know clearly not me, it's you yeah, it's clearly not me, it's you. Oh, my god, yo oh. Do you watch our power? You watch the old shows?
Speaker 3:no, I haven't no, no, oh you're missing out, I got put it like this I will. I'm not gonna say I won't, I will, it's just I'd like the time for that. It's just not.
Speaker 2:It's not really oh yeah, it's not. It's not now, it's a long long endeavor, yo.
Speaker 1:Uh, starting back from the, because I mean we watched it from like live when it was first coming out, yo, but that show the whole universe, because it's like seven different shows, it reminds me of the kendrick and drake beef because it's like yeah just patty people.
Speaker 3:What was the other show was power and something else that everybody was going back bmf or snowfall?
Speaker 2:you're probably talking about snowfall. No, it was empire, that's what it was.
Speaker 3:It was like a battle, like empire remember the first season.
Speaker 2:It was like which was to be with the first season, because it was like, because uh, one was the new win, the first season.
Speaker 1:Because Power took place at a club so they thought the music shit. But yeah, after the first season everyone was like alright, this is completely different.
Speaker 3:This is much better.
Speaker 1:Empire was the corny way. But yeah, bmf was fire, but Power reminds me a lot of the rap beef. That happens, you know, because the shit don't really be real but they be making it seem like it's this major thing all the time, you know uh, four days where y'all at. That's what he said hey, man, but yo I want to ask y'all some serious stuff too. Man, uh and terrence, I'll ask you this Do you feel like you, as an adult black man, are you allowed to have emotions and feelings? Allowed by society.
Speaker 2:That's an interesting question. Does society make?
Speaker 1:room for you to have those feelings.
Speaker 2:No, I think that when you express your feelings, it becomes you're doing this to me or you're telling like people take your feelings after they ask for your feelings, not to mention people. People take your feelings and twist it to well, you, you're saying this about me.
Speaker 2:They personalize your feelings yeah I think I think that's that's what I'm trying to say they personalize your feelings, um, so I don't think there's really a safe space to do that. So maybe allowed isn't the right word. Yes, allowed, respected, probably not feelings. I don't think feelings and males, especially black males, are respected right.
Speaker 1:Oh, how you feel about that. Do what does. Does american society especially make room for a black man to have emotions and feelings?
Speaker 3:yeah, I mean I'll second what what taryn said it's you're allowed to do whatever you want, right whether or not like it's gonna be what it's like?
Speaker 3:is this gonna be taken the way that it should be?
Speaker 3:Regardless of how you articulate what you're, like somebody, again, somebody's gonna ask for your opinion or your feelings, right, or your emotions, and the minute you give that, it's not that you're given a pass to deliver the emotions or the, the feelings, whatever, a certain way, but you have to deliver it so that they can receive it Like that's what people want.
Speaker 3:And that's not always the case, because just my personal experience is, there's times when I speak and my tone can get to a level where, like, you'll hear a lot of passion in what I'm saying and that can be abrasive to people or that could be. You know, they could take that as anger or whatever, and it's like no, like I'm speaking about something that I feel very passionate about or that. You know that means a lot to me. You just can't handle how it's coming to you, right? So just to just to kind of an example, females can give you, you know, their feelings and emotions to be full-on crying, right, full-on crying. If we do that, it's not crying, it's just our tone, or you know our demeanor, stuff like that, and it's not received the same way, right you extra you actually right now, yeah, listen am I supposed to just sit here monotone, because, like, even that might be a problem, right?
Speaker 3:I'll go, I'll go even I'll go even a step further, because the original question you asked about as a black man in america. So now we, we kind of we kind of got to the the male and the female end of it. But let's just take it a step further, for conversation purposes male and male and let's now add different races, so like a chinese and a black guy or a white guy and a black guy or whatever the case is and you take the optics of it right.
Speaker 3:You know the bird's eye view and you can see a black guy speaking versus a white guy speaking. It's a different optic that you're looking at, right. It's a different narrative that you could see if you're not in the conversation. But what would you see? My job if I walk up on something and I see there's an immediate okay, what's going on here? But then you kind of okay, this individual is a black individual, this is a white individual, and you can look at the body languages, obviously you can tell something's, you know something's wrong.
Speaker 3:Here's a problem if you don't have it in yourself to be objective immediately. Yeah, you're naturally going to look towards one side and say, just like with the female, that's the victim, that's the you know aggressor yeah, that's it might not be that case.
Speaker 2:That's not it right and well, I think what we've been taught and what we've learned because, like, even if you take it back 100 years, 50 years, white is right, black is not. Like, even if you look at it through that lens, it's like, okay, white's pure. Even teaching that white is pure or right, that that lends to that mindset. Like, um, you know, I think that you know I've been in, I know I have a lot of white friends and grew up in a white school, like brown, white people all day.
Speaker 1:So white males, you see more passive aggression uh, they have a little bit more bravado and just arrogance in the way that they do like almost everything everything is.
Speaker 2:There's an entitlement that that word, that word's thrown around a lot, but there definitely is an entitlement, um, that comes with being caucasian, I'd say um, but even even more so I think that, being around enough white people, you start to adopt some of that behavior that they do and it don't, it don't uh, it'll be, it'll be. Yeah, you can't use it the same way they do like it'll be, but you don't be behaving the same way.
Speaker 3:The behavior yeah, and and vice versa. I mean they, they can't behave the way that we behave, and it'd be received or, you know, it'd be looked at the same way it's like code switching, it's it's exactly that.
Speaker 2:It's code switching, you know, like passive aggression or or or acting white. I remember, I remember, I got that every damn day. Every day, that was me around like my black cousins or whatever, I'm not saying black cousins. I got white cousins.
Speaker 3:My cousins.
Speaker 2:I mean, you can by marriage right In some sort of weird way you could. Shout out to y'all, but my cousins, you know, you talk white or even like girls I dated. I remember I was dating Taylor, you remember Amber. I remember when. I was around her freaking hood friends.
Speaker 3:They're like you talk white like just because it was idiotic and stupid yeah and then even even that, I mean like that, I don't see it as talking white, I see it as just speaking the way that the word should be spoken, right, right right because then you, you, we have that term ebonics. Like I don't, yeah, I'm not a fan of that term ebonics because you're, you're categorizing the way somebody speaks. If anything, it's just uh, what's it? What, what damn?
Speaker 1:what's an?
Speaker 3:accent like.
Speaker 2:That's an accent right like I don't ebonics is an accent that's how I look at it.
Speaker 3:We're not talking about like right, like that's yeah yeah, you can change a word and make it sound something, or make it sound different, or it means something different, but the way you pronounce your word shouldn't be indicative of your skin tone, you know they gave it a.
Speaker 1:They gave it a new term in the 2000s. I remember it's that a, a, b e african-american vernacular like you know, I've never heard it before they really try to put us in a textbook book, you know.
Speaker 1:But like what you guys are just saying, man, I experienced a lot of that too. Um, and you know, with the same scenario of terrence going back and forth between his cousins and then maybe where you go to school at, uh, like a lot of cases you were too black for the white kids but then too white for the black kids to be around. So, like, what do you think that did to your identity at, like the age of like 12 to 15? Like, how did that affect you terrence?
Speaker 2:uh, I'd say 12 to 15. I was good because I was still in like I didn't move to lansdale, north penn area until I was like I think I was tailing a 15, turning going to 16. So that's when it kind of started for me, because before that I was in narston. So I don't think I don't remember back then as much, but I don't remember how to talk. I'll say that. I'll say that back then. I have to imagine I probably talked just like everybody else that I was around, you know. But when I went to north penn I saw that I started adopting different things and especially as I started learning more things about the world, and you know proper.
Speaker 1:English Learning about the world at North Penn. Shout out to North Penn man, that's what's up, take your tariffs about the world, but you know, you adopt things that the majority says.
Speaker 2:Like I noticed, I started saying dude.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:I didn't say that that was, that was the one and then, like I noticed, like you know it, just it just differs up. So I'll say that my, my experience with that was like 12, 12 to 15. I was good, but like I'm not good, but 12 to 15, I was.
Speaker 1:I was still in the not hood mindset, but there was no like discrepancy in your identity at that time. You know like you only knew one way.
Speaker 2:Exactly. But then I'll say, even after that, when I went to North Penn, I don't think that I had like an identity crisis per se, cause I still knew who I was, because I still felt like the same person inside. It was just like on the outside. You, just you were further along different and I felt like we was all going to talk like this eventually you want a?
Speaker 2:job you better, you better get talking differently, because like yeah, you always do that way yeah, I'm sure each of you have been to some type of fast food restaurant, probably in an urban area, and you know, sometimes, sometimes you get that guy at McDonald's, burger King, whatever. Like you can tell this nigga hated job, and you know yo what you want. Like, excuse me or like.
Speaker 1:Terrace always been on something like I'ma make it out kind of shit like he was always gonna be that T Grizzly first day out yeah, back. Oh, what about you? Where'd you go to high school?
Speaker 3:uh. So I graduated from Potts Grove, um, but my time started here in PA at uh Springfield in Montgomery.
Speaker 3:County, so I started there for like for like two years and then came up here to pottsgrove. So I mean, even like, look, both school, both schools, you know it's there's a predominantly white factor. So I mean, that's kind of what you. You kind of not looking at the world through a colored lens or through a racial lens. It's just, this is what people do, this is how you're going to talk, because i'm'm from the South, so like I had an accent coming up here and like not made fun of, but like that was, that was made known. You say some weird stuff, right.
Speaker 1:You know it's the right way.
Speaker 3:It's just a different accent, right, but then, as the time goes, you just adopt where you're at in that environment and just and just just take it for what it's worth. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The culture gets bigger. We could we now we would say, the culture starts to take over. Um, so did you guys notice that too? Did you find it funny when, like it's like all right, I came here, I started to talk more proper and then, by the time I'm graduating high school, all these kids sound like little wayne. All these kids dress like little way I mean like did y'all did y'all peep that terrence yeah, I definitely saw.
Speaker 2:I definitely saw the shift, uh.
Speaker 1:But I mean, it went from like aero pastel to like when I graduated everybody was wearing south pole I was like nice it
Speaker 2:switched though. It switched because, like you saw, like the hood dude start wearing air pastel. Hollister Eagle. Like you saw that backpack here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kanye came in and did that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it's crazy, cause, like, even though I talk this way, or you know, people say I talk this way, or whatever, I remember like thinking about it long and hard. I'm like yo, I can I go in any environment, I've been around hood, hood and there, like yo, yeah, I can I go in any environment, I've been around hood, hood and there ain't no heck of respect that I get everybody respect right right like and I'm just like it's because, like I, it's a respecting, it's mutual.
Speaker 2:You give respect, you get respect. In most instances I and I don't look like no punk, so I ain't never gonna get tried like that got the shoulders you outside, baby, I ain't never gonna get tried like that, got the shoulders you outside. I ain't never going to get tried like that, but like I remember seeing some, you know some dudes that maybe talk a little bit like me but they don't have the stature and you know they kind of got like. They kind of got like the Steve Urkel vibe.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Carlton, Carlton.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, type of vibe and, um, their, their experience ain't the same as mine. Yeah, yeah, I feel that bad.
Speaker 3:Yo, that's just molding molding to where you're at. I mean, you got it like you. You, the way you are with your homies, the way you are with your family, where you are with you know friends from school or you know work like you. You can't, you have to just mold yourself and put on, you know, put on this hat for that day, that hat for that day.
Speaker 2:Code switcher and just roll with it. Code switcher there you go Code switcher.
Speaker 3:We got a tone for everything Code got the line.
Speaker 1:No matter where you are, you are who you are, fam.
Speaker 3:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. You always will be you Like, no matter what situation you're in, for the good or the bad.
Speaker 1:like you can't go somewhere and just like well, when they talk about coach, which they act like they like you're going to be a, become a different person like nah, this is just more of me, maybe a different side of me, a part that I don't present with you because you are not at this level that I'm presenting I mean look, look at, look at, look at your gym, your gym friends versus, like you know, friends outside of the gym.
Speaker 3:Like I'm gonna speak differently to them because they understand a certain part of who I am versus you know the other friends that they be car friends. Like they know, they understand the car so I can blend that, but then you got they don't. You know some of them. Might you know, mess between the two.
Speaker 2:But yeah, no, I get. So let me ask y'all something so here we go now, do you feel? That? Do you feel that as you got more confident, you began to know yourself more? You didn't have to, you didn't feel the need to maybe shut out some of those parts or shade some of those parts back a little bit in, depending on the environment?
Speaker 1:well, not that it's more of that.
Speaker 1:I just put myself around people on like more regular basis that I can always kind of consistently just be one person you know like in my, in maturing and growing older, like I have earned the freedom to only want to, only need to go a place if I want to be there. You know, right right, there's very few instances where I need to go somewhere where I'm going to feel even the least bit uncomfortable. You know, like in every other situation that I go to, I've, like I said, I feel like earned the right to be able to like only go somewhere if I like, feel comfortable, and it just happens to me that that's just most places that I want to go to. Those things have have got to align that more.
Speaker 3:That makes sense. You're able to control that environment you've got to blend with. Obviously, there's that moment where you've got to go and do the tough thing and be somewhere you don't really want to be.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's like that, as an adult, you've got to do that.
Speaker 3:That requires a code that you've got to tap into.
Speaker 2:You're not wrong with being it being in discomfort or being uncomfortable. You know that's where growth happens. But I did. I definitely get what y'all say because, like that's how I am, like as I, as I grew older, or as I learned myself more, I became more confident in myself. So, like who I am with y'all is who I am at church, is who I'm at the gym, that's who I'm at work is who I'm on the job Like I.
Speaker 2:I find very little instances where I have to switch out like who I am at this point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I mean, the biggest thing that I've learned, I think in like my adult years is, is like believe people, like the first time you know when they act a certain way, like when people, however, people treat you.
Speaker 1:That's how it's going to be, so that I don't, I don't be surprised, so that if I do it up in a situation where I'm like, damn, that person surprised me right there, or damn, I don't really feel like comfortable in a a situation, whatever it may be and whatever the discomfort stems from, I could, I can remember for next time and I need to be in that situation. This is what it's going to be like, you know, so that I'm not surprised again. You know, um, so like that's like learning that lesson.
Speaker 1:I kept that yeah, all right if this person is on this type time today, then tomorrow they're probably going to be on the same type time you know and we learn about boundaries. Yeah, for sure yeah, like people talk about therapists, told me like sometimes you gotta love people from a distance you ain't gotta try to you ain't gotta try to reignite every old spark.
Speaker 1:You know you can sometimes that encourage you just die. It's time to just get every old spark. You know you can sometimes that encourage you just die. It's time to just get a new car, you know but they family, but they yeah no that's. That's what's up, you know um on the blood issue yeah, that's what's up.
Speaker 1:Salute on the blood thing, right, and we were talking about, uh, like things that help shape our identity. Um, I grew up without my pop around right, and something that I've unpacked recently is that, like I didn't have a lot of like male figures when I was growing up to show me how to be not just a man, but like a responsible black man. Like I take that as a big part of my identity. I'm'm wondering, like, do you guys have any like mentors or people that showed you how to be a man that shaped who you are? Like? Oh, did you have that growing up?
Speaker 3:Uh, I could say yes and I could say no. So when I, when I moved to PA that's my parents split my, my uncle, we were, you know, know, I was around two uncles, uh, same side of the family for for a while and they both worked one he did government work, um, and the other he was high up in ups. So like you have to go to work to provide for your family, like that's non-negotiable, so like that's a trait that like I saw them get up, go to work and like you don't, like you don't complain about that, you know, I mean, you just that's just something you have to do. That's a trait that like I saw them get up, go to work and like you don't, like you don't complain about that, you know what I mean. You just that's just something you have to do. That's a part of your, you know your responsibility.
Speaker 3:Then, when I got older, met my I guess soon to be ex wife, her father. I met him at a young age and he's a Marine Corps major at the time. So like, major at the time, so like that's, like that's a a level of like understanding the the man shit. You know that that kind of comes with one looking up to somebody, but then also having somebody you know give you information as a young man trying to come up it. Just the difference is he's white and I'm black, so that like there's a there's a little bit of a difference there, where there's things that he wouldn't necessarily understand and we still butt heads to this day about certain things. But we also understand how to communicate. But as like somebody that was consistently there, like from you know age, let's just say 10 till now, like with the exception of my father, it wasn't too many that were as a young black man looking up to a young black man, that's not that there wasn't really.
Speaker 1:Wasn't really anybody there really consistent basis, yeah, terrence, what helped, shaped you into the band that you, that you are today um, I'm gonna probably take a similar approach.
Speaker 2:I'll say that there wasn't really anybody consistently, because my father wasn't around. My stepdad came in the picture, but you know he. What I learned from him is Work. You know, because he would always keep two, three jobs that he go to work, but besides that, there was really nothing else that he taught me. I learned a lot of this stuff from my mom, which isn't always the best thing, because I don't believe that a woman can raise a man by herself. There are certain things that you have to learn. You know, and all credit to women who raise, you know, sons, us, we're doing well sons, because us we're doing well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, but but there's certain things that you don't get. So even in my house and even in my dynamics with my stepdad and my mom, my mom was like the dominant person in the house, you know. Uh. So you know, when I got into my marriage I I kind of I noticed that you know, now it's different. But I noticed, like I kind of emulated, that you know now it's different. But I noticed, like I kind of emulated, that you just sit back, kind of you just you know you work, you pay bills, like that's your responsibility, like not leading per se necessarily, you're just kind of leading by proxy, by title.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But you know, as I, as I got around other men, yeah, but you know as I as I got around other men. So, like now in my later years, you know, and back into 20, early 30. I've brought more men around me that I've kind of taken little bits of information from. And then now I have kind of like this guy from my church who, like really took me under his wing and you know he's like he's from the hood but he's like doing good, but you know he's a great, great dad, great husband, like all the things that I aspire to be, and so I'm learning from him a lot of stuff. We have a very candid, deep conversation and it's and it's great. So like I feel like things come, have come full circle.
Speaker 2:But like in my mid-20s I'll say that like I think that what shaped me to become a man was teaching other men what I didn't have, the things that I felt like I should have known or should have been taught.
Speaker 2:Um, like even when I had, like my youth group, like all those dudes I had, I had a very good connection with them because it was like, all right, these are the things that I wish I would have learned. Let me impart that into them, right, you know. And then you, you know, you learn from them, you learn the stuff that they're lacking. You learn from different males because, like I noticed, there's a trend, like with a lot of males I know some of them grew up with their dads, like some of my friends, like you know keith and you know sydney, and all them like they grew up with their dads, so their perspective is different. Um, but, like for me, like some of my other friends, like kurt and all them, you didn't grow up with their dads, so you, I kind of get both sides and I just use all those different perspectives, you know, and cumulatively, and take what, take what serves me, and then the rest of the stuff I, you know, lead to the wayside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel that it's like there's a certain point in your life that's where that's all you can do, right?
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:I have to learn what I can from the situations that I'm in, the people that I'm surrounded by, and then make a destination of where I want to go to, and then do my damn just to get there, regardless of what my current situation is. You know, yeah, um, so we we I mean terrence and I worked together before, but still, I first saw you and met you at a gym, and that's how I know, oh too. So I mean, working out is all right way back in the day. Shut up, play the fitness man. So it's a great gym if people need it. Man, I got my one homie, daryl. He is fucking playing a fitness thug to this day. It's crazy, oh, but we, so working out is all big in our lives, uh, oh like where did that come from for you?
Speaker 1:like how long you've been into working out, like how did you first get in the gym?
Speaker 3:that was, I mean, obviously, high school playing, you know, like many sports on high school and just trying to find something to do. So the gym that you know pot sound, that was just kind of like, uh, that was the closest gym that I could go to. That, you know, was like 15 bucks a month or something like that. Like Like as a as an 18 year old kid, like you can pay 15 bucks a month for a membership and then, being a nonprofit, you know there's there's different avenues, so, uh, like that, that's where you know my, my gym experience came from. And then that turned into where I inadvertently met Taylor through programming, but that was part of a youth program that I wanted to do for weightlifting. And then it turned into you know, do this. And then you know there's there's all these different things that you know the the gym has kind of kind of opened up to hell.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's crazy. I forgot all. All like that still comes up in my memory, sometimes brutally affected training. Oh, that's crazy from way back in the day. That's some stuff that we used to follow, like back when I was at genesis terence I'd be doing this dude's workouts in there with back and again it's not a crossfit gym at all.
Speaker 3:Talk about like no clue.
Speaker 1:The uh, the plastic johns, the thin plastic plates. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, um, terence, like how did you first, what made you first go to planet fitness? And like, does anybody else in your family work out?
Speaker 2:um, well, I answered the second question first, so at that time at least we should say, because oh, no, no like a decade later yeah, because this I it's funny because I was thinking about it a couple weeks ago, like it's really been a decade that I've been working out consistently. That made like this a lifestyle. Um, but what made me? You know it was heartbreak, you know that's hey, that's the one. That's the truth, though, right there that's what got me in it at first you know I don't do it.
Speaker 1:I don't do it.
Speaker 2:Get you swole and then we got you know to that position. You were around me a lot during that time hell yeah, there was a.
Speaker 1:There was a switch that flipped tank top terrace, man, hell yeah, let's go, sweaty tea there was a switch that flip and then oh, that's great it just progressed from there, like because I started out at pf you know, obviously, pf wasn't it.
Speaker 2:Uh, I didn't have any results at pf.
Speaker 1:It wasn't until I joined la that I got like results and then from la no, I don't want to say you, you definitely got in the, you know what it was that you just it wasn't effective, like it wasn't efficient because you'd be on a treadmill for like three hours and shit and pf times was when we was working overnight at a walmart and we was eating like crap at Wawa 2 am in the morning. Yeah, going to sleep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it wasn't a fact. That's the short answer. But then LA and you know, working out, I didn't start off with the best routine because I was doing, I was doing freaking like 3000 burned calories a day.
Speaker 1:You know, salads, everything.
Speaker 2:So I shrugged a lot of weight, it like quickly, but um, after that it was just like you're skinny fat yeah, so then, then, when I started getting you know lifting and all that, I was like oh, my body composition is actually like this is I can work with this right, I can work with it.
Speaker 1:You're a sick man when I can do something with this, I can do something with this.
Speaker 2:I was like that's a boy. So after that it was like just kind of hit it and then, uh, you know, la got tired of that, went to lion's den, and that's when. That's when things opened up. Once I got to lion's den, things opened up from there and like now you know multiple gyms, but uh, that's all over that's the lifestyle.
Speaker 1:Now, that's the lifestyle so you and your wife, she was already living like a similar lifestyle, maybe not like as hard in the same gyms, y'all she she wasn't lifestyle maybe not like as hard in the same gyms, y'all she. She wasn't you talking about me, or uh, no, yeah, you, yeah, I know, because I know your wife she moved, and I mean she took her own food and she moved her body, you know.
Speaker 1:So those are the beginnings, if not um, the advanced levels of being in health and wellness. So like, do you, is that a a big thing that you plan to push in your family, like living the same lifestyle?
Speaker 2:So, yes, it needs to be tweaked, it definitely needs to be enforced because, like for me, it's easy because, like I have the discipline. But trying to impart discipline on other people is difficult for me personally. So you know, that's something that I'm working on but, like my wife, she's a dancer. She was just activity, activity, activity, activity. That was for her. Then Kaden, she's a dancer also. That's easy, all stuff. Hunter is going to be like a nine-sport athlete.
Speaker 1:I can tell you that.
Speaker 2:I'm telling.
Speaker 1:She was already holding that dumbbell man. That was crazy.
Speaker 2:That was like 14 months old, something like that right I'm trying to get them, nils bro hell yeah, hell yeah, let's go so yeah, but yeah, as far as, as far it's big because, you know, I'm trying to implement a culture that I didn't have when I was a kid. I was like my mom. You know, when you're a single mom, you just, you, just you're trying your best and typically the best foods for you aren't the cheapest foods for the house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we could do a whole another episode on that.
Speaker 3:I have to put in survival mode. That's what that is. We grew up I'm pretty sure all of us grew up in that, like your, your family was surviving. You know what I? Mean, and now we you know, as we developed as young men, we're not, we're not in, we're not in survival mode, and that, no, I mean I might touch on another topic later, but getting out of survival mode is tough.
Speaker 1:Like that's really tough, because the toughest things you ever do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I look at how much I work, you know, let's just say within the past four or five years, and it's like what did I enjoy? Obviously there's things that I enjoy, but on a day to day basis, like how much of my day did I enjoy versus still in that survival mode? So, like you know, working with different therapists, whatnot like switching that off, like you're not in survival mode anymore, You're. You're in the mode of enjoy the fruits of your labor but still work hard, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:And that that's. That's tough to kind of, you know, turn off Like I watched my mom work three, four jobs, you know something like that and again surviving. You're trying to survive Like you're not. You're not in that mode anymore. Shut that off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I watched my mom do the same thing. Man and Terrence, I know that you you were just trying to talk about it before that you had that into you. Like the lesson taught to you. Like just work right, like work does equal more money, but there's a certain point where, like your time is, it's not worth that money because you're taking away from your family. How do you like work and and like balance that in your mind right now?
Speaker 2:um, so it's been really taking a taking a different approach. So my mindset now was definitely to understand what are my like, what drives me, what is my end goal, Because I knew it wasn't money. I'm not a materialistic person so like even if I had all the money in the world, I'm not going to go buy 40 Lamborghinis. I'm not going to go get like I might get a Rollie. I like watches.
Speaker 1:I might get a Rollie.
Speaker 2:But there's like two things. There's only two materialistic things that I want in life. And Rollie ain't even like it's cool If I get it, cool If not cool. But the G-Wagon is like the car I want, so once I get that I'll feel like I'm there, I don't need nothing else.
Speaker 3:G-wagon can't tell me nothing. Can't tell me nothing. Listen if you pull up in a G-Wagon dog, every boys night is on you.
Speaker 1:If you pull up in a G-Wagon, dog, the vacation's making it out of the group chat. I'm going to tell you that. All right, the boys trip is making it out of the group chat if you pull up in a G-Wagon.
Speaker 2:But yeah, like you know, jokes aside, I understood that like my main motivation it out like out of group chat if you pull up a g-wagon. But yeah, like you know, jokes aside, I I understood that, like my main motivation is freedom. Freedom of time, you know, freedom of just being able to enjoy myself when I want. Because I got when I was just working my business and I didn't have a job anymore.
Speaker 2:Um, it was freedom, but it was not like the purest form of it because I still had to still grind. I still had that thought in the back of my mind like all right, do I have enough jobs to cover everything? Am I going to? When I think about, like, in the future, you know that getting to that freedom, that's all I care about, cause then I'm able to spend time with my wife, then we're able to travel, then we're able, then we're able to see the girls, you know, go to their, you know, dance, dance practices, dance shows. You know, when Hunter plays sports, sports games, like never, cause I never want to be that dad or that person, that's like hey, well, sorry.
Speaker 2:I got that dad or that person that's like hey, well, sorry, I gotta work. Um, I can't make it to your game because I I've been there, or I never want to be the the one that's like yo, sorry, I'm late for picking you up from school. You had to wait here because I've been there. They're like you're waiting for your mom to pick you up from school or work or anything. Really man, man it's like one of the worst feelings because, yeah, it shouldn't even be that bad, but the 90s sitcoms they made it seem so terrible that we all traumatized.
Speaker 3:They played a sad music whenever they had a boy waiting outside of school. All the other kids leave.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it happened to be a rainstorm going on at that time too, man Freddy.
Speaker 2:Krueger was in town. You're sitting there with the sick face, everybody like hey, you need a ride home.
Speaker 2:You're like nah nah my mom she on her way she about to nah, she with freddie jackson yeah yeah, so that's, that's my main motivation, so that's that's that's kind of where the balance comes from now because, like before, when I first started, my business was the first year I was married, which was the first, which was when we was pregnant with Hunter. So like a lot of stuff was happening at that time. So that was a tumultuous year and you know, from there I just kind of learned, like yo, I can't, it can't be ends justify the me or means justify the end all the time. But you can't always put 100 percent into OK, this future outcome that you're looking at, where you're like you're trying to sell this dream to everybody.
Speaker 3:Yo, you know, if I work 90 hours a week now by the time, y'all 10, you know, know, I'll have, we'll have all this money, so then we can all spend time together, because then it's like, okay, we're putting this stuff exactly.
Speaker 2:We're putting off 10 years of living right for, for you know, whatever amount of time, because maybe you're on that 10th year you get the money and then one day later you die right, I was gonna say because nothing's promised you know, like you, you talk about 10 years of of a whole bunch of things can happen in that time period, man.
Speaker 2:All right, this is why we do what we do, In addition to preparing you for your future Cause, like when they well Ken's a little bit older, but you know started brokerage accounts for both of them hunter had one from day one, so by the time she's 18, 21 years old, got, got up in the brokerage council, got him like it's preparing for the future, but, um, it's basically just teaching them and showing them like, okay, in this moment let's go, let's go hang out, let's go to the park, let's go to the play place, like when I didn't, when I was home every day, three, I think, three to four days out the week, just spent the day together all day.
Speaker 2:Hayden's at school get back from school and we spent time together. So it's just instilling that you know time, time thing like I had I'm getting, I'm definitely trying to get back to it because, like now that you know now there's a little bit more on the schedule. You, you know you a little, some time goes by sometimes before you get to those moments, but you know making sure that you're scheduling those moments, putting that time in because women, just like we said boys need dads, girls need dads too, because then you know they they meet, they meet these dudes when they get older and you don't want that.
Speaker 3:Like you gotta, you gotta give them a frame of reference like this is what you, this is what you're trying to go for and they're gonna, they're gonna adopt, you know, to what they see first, which is, which is bad yeah, this is how a man should treat you, etc.
Speaker 2:And, just like you said, through your actions. How you teach your son discipline, through your actions, same thing how I treat their mom, you know, right through actions they see how they should, they should be treated. And then even how she treats men, they see how they should treat a man. Yeah, so it's all. It's crazy because everything that we learn just through our experiences and our in our an environment, environment's big it's crazy how you go from being so influenced by your environment to being the influencer of the environment you know as that as that switch turns.
Speaker 1:Man, that was great conversation at the end of things. Here I want to go back to a little bit of the messiness yeah, I was about to say we need some.
Speaker 2:We need some funnies conversation At the end of things.
Speaker 1:Here I want to go back to a little bit of the messiness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was about to say we need some funnies Light note at the end.
Speaker 1:I really wish Cold didn't bow out. Nah, I think. Yeah, no, I'm happy with it now. This isn't his thing Now that I see how Kendrick coming at it his kids are talking about now that Kendrick on there talking about how fucking dregs camp is feeling like he deserves this and and all this shit, call him a deadbeat dad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he said, you don't know you don't know nothing about that. I mean them shits gotta hurt y'all. We were just talking about how y'all both dads some of them shits he gotta be taking kind of personal. It's like some shit that he's probably out at night with some chick and he was reading the fucking lyrics trying to pretend not to be upset. I know you gotta be you. You felt some of the bars yeah.
Speaker 2:You know why he say it was such a melody though he said die, yeah, yeah because that's just funny.
Speaker 1:It's like you know what a nigga frying you up somewhere, but he just added all the theatrics to it and shit, and you just can't say nothing beat.
Speaker 2:Three times he switched the beat three times.
Speaker 1:in that one song he had 17 voices. It was great.
Speaker 2:I told you, when I put that joint on for the first time, I was like I ain't really rocking with this, the euphoria. I was like I ain't really rocking with this what is he doing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he went, he did his big one. You asked me what I thought I said he did his big one.
Speaker 3:That's funny, man, like he came up, it was funny.
Speaker 1:It came on my Instagram. I seen it and I was like I didn't really read into it. I heard it, though, because I had my AirPods in. I was like, whatever this is, this is trash, so. And then I just happened to see, when the page refreshed, someone put it like this is why no marketing is important. Someone put it right in the middle of the reel so I could read it on the first screen Kendrick replies to Drake with euphoria. So then I stopped and listened and I was like, all right, this is still the trash at the beginning. You know the backwards voice and shit like that. This is a little bit weird for eight in the morning on a Tuesday, but then the beat dropped and I was like oh okay, I see what you're doing now.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I definitely I was like, oh shit, I didn't even know this was going to come out like this.
Speaker 2:Why did Cole call the song Seven Minutes and only do three and a half?
Speaker 1:Listen, don't piss me off right now. I was mad as shit at J Cole, but you know why I love the internet, man? Because people went online and it was posted that J Cole let Nas down twice after he dropped it. That's the funniest shit I've ever heard about. If you know the song Let Nas Down and you know the whole history of J Cole, I apologize. They said they let Nas down twice.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh my god, yeah, I'm in for j cole, you know, because he's probably still my favorite of the three of them.
Speaker 2:You know he's the best rapper in my negative makes songs about folding clothes for his wife.
Speaker 1:He don't really belong in the beat this conversation. Yeah, you know where one of the rappers is making fun of the other one because he's short and then the other rapper is saying that fuck it, you don't take care of your family. Jay cole don't belong in that because he's not short and he takes care of his family, so he's a damn ball player like he's doing everything he's a good husband and father, so he don't belong in that beef I'm cool with it.
Speaker 2:So who do you think? Who do you think is gonna?
Speaker 1:you think ken's gonna drop another before drake replies I think kendrick is loaded up to keep going if he, if he really needs to, but only for like one more, because he kind of said everything that he needs to say. I think that drake is gonna try to come and do his summer anthem. I think he's waiting, like, for the weather to really, really break. He's like, all right, we got a couple of step 80s and 70s last week. He's like I need this to be up in the eight, the mid 80s, for my, for my song, and then he'll drop it. They probably play it everywhere and shit for like two, three months. But like, just like me, me and Terrence go back and forth on this all the time, on Drake and Pusha T. Maybe to the middle America kids, drake won that beef, but to the hip hop people, pusha T absolutely won. I think it's going to be the same thing with this.
Speaker 2:But it's 20 v 1. It's 20 v 1. No, it's not.
Speaker 1:Drake is somewhere like this Until you guys apologize, it's 20 v 1. No, it's not. Drake is somewhere like this. I will. Until you guys. Until you guys apologize, I will never give you a hit record again. Example A look at Meek Mill.
Speaker 1:You know like, like he had to go apologize to get another hit, and that's just what it was Like. Until you guys come like, apologize and kiss the ring for everyone else it's not named Kendrick or uh the weekend, or j cole, maybe future, no more hits for you guys. You know, that's just what it is.
Speaker 1:So ross, so ross again, this number one, right ross, and then everyone else that tried to jump in with that shit too, because there's a bunch of other smaller people. But yeah, I mean what uh? You know? You know the old uh thing that joe always talk about fucking. I get these niggas to look diversity been the hook. That's the truth. That's what Drake does. Whatever you want to say about him, he can do that to you. He make hits and shit. That's what it is.
Speaker 2:He's like King Midas he make gold, he make gold.
Speaker 1:To me. Kendrick got off on him.
Speaker 2:It's okay, he got a running head start yeah, but Drake was outside. What I admire about Jake, he'd be outside.
Speaker 1:He outside for the funny. He came outside for every fight he ain't ducking it, he ain't ducking nobody's. Yeah, so I respect him.
Speaker 2:He may be a corny dude. It's like Mike versus Jake Paul. Nah, it's not like that. It's not like that. Who's going to win it?
Speaker 1:Oh man, it hurts me to say that they just made it a fight, sanctioned, the sanctioned fight. Mike going to win it, he's still going to win it but, he is 50 he is 50 but might, might.
Speaker 2:If he catch him one good time he gonna knock his head off. But I don't think he'll catch him that one time listen.
Speaker 1:Uh, let me say this before because I already already already made a mistake before, like two summers ago, whenever that was a dip set was going against the Lox. I told this man right here. I was like ain't no way that the Lox is going to ring off more than Dipset in there. I told him, I told Jay, I told Travis and y'all stayed friends after that. I told everybody.
Speaker 3:I said that, because I was blinded, I was blinded, I didn't think about it. Yeah, you guys don't have to say I was blinded, I didn't think about it. Don't ever say nothing like that. Again, I didn't think about who was going up there.
Speaker 1:I was blinded. And then Jadakiss walked out and it was just terrible. So, while I may want to say that Jake Paul is younger and he's been fighting, he's got fighting ability. He's getting busy. That's got fighting ability, he get busy, that's still Mike Tyson.
Speaker 3:He can fight. That's the thing. It's still Mike, that's what I said, if he catch him one good time he's slipping.
Speaker 2:If he catch him one good time, he can knock his head off. I don't think that he will, though.
Speaker 3:If they try to go to distance more than six, seven rounds, Jake will probably take it.
Speaker 2:Mike will be like oh.
Speaker 3:And that's by default, right, that's by default, man stick it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when they said that when they made it a sanctioned fight. It's eight rounds, though right. Is it the full eight? I know they added rounds. I don't know if it's the full eight, though.
Speaker 2:Eight. Wait, how long are rounds? A minute and a half. Two minutes, I think Eight two-minute rounds is a lot to box. I don't know if you guys ever boxed. I know Two minutes.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. I wanted to give it to Jake when they did that, but it's still. I learned my lesson. If I got to lose betting on Mike, I'm a win bet. Yeah, jadakiss taught me the locks.
Speaker 3:What do we know about Jake Paul fighting anybody else? We know that it's about money.
Speaker 1:We know that it's about money.
Speaker 3:The betting, all that stuff, all that money that's going to be generated. I hope I say this the right way.
Speaker 1:I don't think mike would take the fall for some money it won't be a fall you get what I'm saying like I don't know I get what you're saying when they go in there, though, and they sell these, the promoters, they go yo. It's not about the first one, it's about making it a trilogy and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:So what?
Speaker 1:storyline allows them to continue it, to make it really good jake paul losing the first time he won a rematch or mike tyson losing the first time he won a rematch. I think it has to be. I think it has to be or not, I think, it's jake, I think. I think that if mike won a rematch after this, I think they'd be like all right, mike, relax, you know.
Speaker 2:They're probably not going to get that. They probably wouldn't be able to get that big of a draw if Mike lost and then he won in a rematch versus if Jake lost, jake's going to get a draw, no matter what, no matter who he fights. So is Mike, for that matter. But it's the age thing. It's the age thing. Tiktok man, these 16-year-olds, it's the age thing, it's the age thing.
Speaker 1:Tiktok man, these 16 year olds, they the one that control everything they the ones making all the money too hell yeah, fuck. So I gotta have a kid now. Put them through all the TikTok schools and shit you know.
Speaker 3:I don't have a. I don't have a TikTok. I didn't, I didn't get one.
Speaker 1:I stayed out of it.
Speaker 3:I stayed away from it.
Speaker 2:I stayed away from it. I don't even have a Twitter. I don't have Twitter.
Speaker 1:I'll be on Instagram. That's it.
Speaker 3:I don't got a Twitter either.
Speaker 1:I think I have one, but I haven't been on it in like six years. Nope, no Twitter.
Speaker 2:I have a thread. It's X. I was thinking about getting that thread thing, but I still don't understand.
Speaker 3:I don a thread, it's X. I was thinking about getting that thread thing, but I still don't understand the. I don't know.
Speaker 1:It already lost its whole vibe, so it's whatever.
Speaker 3:It's not worth it, not worth it.
Speaker 1:Nah, because it's just Instagram, but words, that's all it is. It's not lit At the end. Who's going to win the finals this year? Oh, Nuggets. Nuggets. You think they'll repeat. Okay, oh, what you think?
Speaker 2:Nuggets.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's going to be hard to beat that tall Serbian. That's what he is right.
Speaker 2:Tall Serbian. Yeah, I think it's going to be a great series with the Wolves.
Speaker 3:I mean Kyrie and Luka, that's if they win.
Speaker 2:They still got one more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, possibly Kyrie and Luka's.
Speaker 2:I mean Kyrie, I like the duo yeah he's been the best point guard of the league Versus Jokic and Jamal and going down likeal Whew. And going down like that yeah. Because it's not about same thing we saw with the Lakers. It's not about the top two players on each team. It's about the other three.
Speaker 3:Everybody else producing.
Speaker 1:It's always been, because you guys will get tired. You need people to go play. Can you have your can? Your second line keep you in the game will get tired. You need people to go play. Can you have your can?
Speaker 2:your second line keep you in the game. That's what it's about, and they're going to cancel each other out. They're going to score and cancel each other out. So now you need. It's like in a laker series you're michael porter, you're uh cobalt pop pope or whatever, and then you're whoever.
Speaker 3:The other one was that meanwhile, tobias is putting up zero he put up a donut come on, man like that is give me, give me a bucket, just one bucket, that's it.
Speaker 2:I hate you don't gotta be a walking bucket.
Speaker 3:Just give me one bucket just one contract, he got a max one zero points I hate that man. I can do, it doing something like that should void out part of your contract, like it should be written in there that at no point, unless you are injured, or you get injured at the start of the game, you should not drop two points minimum Like, come on, you can't get a fucking get to the foul line bro and he played like 28 minutes too.
Speaker 2:That's crazy Bro what did he do? 29., 29?, 29. Shannon said he should be in shape for Cancun now so he can get all that cardio. That's terrible.
Speaker 1:That's absolute trash. Absolute trash. That's bad, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:You got the same amount of points as us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, facts With more minutes. Yeah, yeah, and a lot more money. That's crazy man.
Speaker 2:Tobias Harris. I do not like you. Is he getting cut?
Speaker 1:Hell yes.
Speaker 2:I don't think they can cut him.
Speaker 1:Nah, what's his name? We'll restructure some kind of way. He out of there. Yeah, no this will be, Daryl Morey's last thing, I bet. I bet Daryl Morey will get him out of there and then he'll get Daryl out of there.
Speaker 2:Then they're going to get Daryl out of there Right behind him. They're superstars in this first round of Underperformed have they. Game and Giannis getting bounced.
Speaker 1:Next subject I will tell you, giannis is bad at basketball. There's my take, that's false he's not good at basketball.
Speaker 2:He's not's. He's not good at basketball he's not.
Speaker 1:He's not good at basketball, he's a freak athlete, he. That's why they call him.
Speaker 3:That's yeah, he's a freak athlete. Yeah, yeah, freak athlete.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if he was if he, if you are that big and powerful and you have someone that can space the floor like dave lillard, and well, I mean, they brought in doc rivers. So that's part of the problem. They don't know how to they, they don't know how to win doc.
Speaker 3:Don't know how to coach what? Who docked him?
Speaker 1:one good thing in his whole career and it was because he had fucking like four top 75 players that it started in line up pierce ray john rondo and yeah, exactly one of them was ray john rondo rondo pierce, you know rondo is one of probably the top four basketball minds like iqs, out of the floor to ever play the game the way this man be playing is ridiculous. He had him, kg, ray Allen and the truth Paul Pierce on the team. Come on. And then they had Big Baby out there too.
Speaker 2:I don't like Paul Pierce. I don't like Paul Pierce.
Speaker 1:You see him more than I like.
Speaker 2:Paul Pierce.
Speaker 1:It's fine, he can ball. Though you ain't got to like him, he ain't got to ball, he can ball. That's. That's it.
Speaker 2:You know he need to be more in shape and shit. He be hating on Braum. I don't like that yeah, cause, cause.
Speaker 1:Braum was better than him cause.
Speaker 2:Braum bouncing, braum bouncing, yeah is that me?
Speaker 1:yeah, when you were OG and, uh, they had. They had real beef. I mean not real, but you know beef.
Speaker 2:I mean not real, but they was both trying to play for the title at the same time.
Speaker 1:But Paul Pierce was the truth. I mean, he'd be lying now about mad shit, but that's why I like him. Him and KG be capping like crazy, though.
Speaker 3:It's great.
Speaker 1:That's some of the most entertaining shit ever Y'all see about.
Speaker 3:Jason.
Speaker 1:Kelsey, he joined in the Monday Night Football or something, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2:Whatever ever you know y'all see about jason kelsey.
Speaker 1:He joined in the uh the uh monday night football or something yeah something like that whatever the john at rg3 was on, okay, so now the word is he might be replacing rg3, which is crazy, hey, how you, six months from removed from fucking retiring and you go. You're about to go take some man's job.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they been crushing it.
Speaker 1:RG3 one of the best ones up there. He's one of the people that's engaging.
Speaker 3:I would go as hard as say the most intelligent, because he has he never reaches peak. He never reaches potential, never reaches potential.
Speaker 1:It's a whole other episode about black athletes, especially black quarterbacks, trying to be successful in the league.
Speaker 2:You know, but wait, wait, wait, last, thing, last thing yeah.
Speaker 1:What about it? Shout out to that.
Speaker 3:Marvel about to be back. I'm down to see it. I'm trying to see it. I haven't seen it. It's bike, it's back.
Speaker 1:It's Marvel Marvel gonna? Is marvel gonna? Uh, they gonna be back with that one. Um, my thing is, what are they gonna start a new like catalog of r-rated content like? Is that what that's gonna follow in line? You know like, uh, okay, yeah, I think, I think that it's. I think it's gonna be lit. You know, um, I hope that it's not one of those things that they cater too much to the fans or they kind of overdo it with the fan service in the movie, but it looks like it's good. You know, uh, we always talk to erin's about, uh, like people having cachet with us, like they built in brand loyalty that, like I, every time they do something, I'll go out watch it. And ryan reynolds, um, and, and wolf and fucking, whatever his name is that plays, uh, wolverine hugh jackman, yeah, um, in these movies they are always good to me, so, yeah, absolutely those two.
Speaker 1:They they're good movies yeah, I like it's good. It's that, uh, ryan reynolds got to come back a decade later and make a better deadpool movie than that last show. It's good that they can finally come together and make it right so that it feels it feels good. I am sad about my homie, jonathan majors. I will say that with this because him on Loki was elite. I thought he was doing his thing.
Speaker 2:Rest in peace to his career yeah, rest in peace.
Speaker 1:I'm still hoping out that Disney will make him go on a tour to apologize and come back. Man, I'm still hoping I ain't doing that.
Speaker 2:They keep me far away from him.
Speaker 1:Come on, how'd they go get rid of Diddy and Jonathan Majors in the same year? That's crazy.
Speaker 2:That wasn't the same year for what Every two Cat Williams predicted, diddy. He did, he did he did Damn Cat Williams predicted Diddy. He did, he did, he did he did, he did Damn.
Speaker 1:But yeah.
Speaker 1:I think Deadpool versus Wolverine will be good. I don't know if you guys have watched X-Men 97, but they're building up all the hype for the X-Men and the mutants in general and I think that's going to be awesome to the new direction for Marvel, kind of doing away with the superheroes and bringing in the mutants and stuff like that. I think it's really funny. Everyone online has talked about how woke Marvel has tried to be for the past few years with all the stuff that they were doing. They were. You say that, but the mutants is a story about segregation and shit, it's not about to go.
Speaker 2:and malcolm x, yeah, like it's not about to go away, it's about to turn up if anything you know.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I'm like laughing at everyone that was saying that. I'm like it's about to get a lot worse, you know.
Speaker 2:But they've been quiet lately. None of their movies have really been all that crazy. Like I ain't even watching ant-man, I was happy to see his head on the dead man. On the dead poor trailer. Ant-man was good, y'all are tripping man.
Speaker 1:Y'all gotta go support Jonathan Majors.
Speaker 2:Was he good?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's the main character in it. It's good.
Speaker 2:It's not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's good, it's funny, it's like Guardians of the Galaxy. Honestly, the new Ant-Man.
Speaker 2:I funny. I mean it's like Guardians of the Galaxy. Honestly, the new Ant-Man, I haven't watched, like really any of the recent shows besides Loki, like I ain't watched She-Hulk, I ain't watched the marriage account. It was the little Spanish chick, the little Arabian chick, or whatever you so disrespected. Miss Marvel, that was trash too.
Speaker 1:You didn't have to watch that, that was trash. Yeah, that was trash too. You didn't have to watch that was trash. Yeah, that was trash. But yeah, no, what's it called was good, it was good, y'all like that. It's like you know. It got Jonathan Majors in it too. He got as Kang and he like a real nigga in it. He not like no fucking soft Kang either maybe one night I'll watch it. I'll put it.
Speaker 2:You don't like it.
Speaker 3:I'll put it off my can or something it's like Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you. It's basically that. But just with Ant-Man and Jonathan Bajor he all swole and shit, beat people up in the movie.
Speaker 2:It's funny yeah, for sure, alright, we'll check it out alright, y'all.
Speaker 1:It's been a great conversation here, man yeah I've been. I've been thinking about like doing this, this conversation, for a while and I was like this is this is a a great one to have right now. I think during mental health, health, mental health awareness month, it'll be great to drop too yeah, yeah, man dogs out there. Peace.