Stefanie Krievins, President of The Change Architects, joins us to pick up topics that were left on the cutting room floor when she last guested on the show. In this episode, she discusses how executive upskilling and reskilling has changed in recent years, the true impact of executive coaching, and why change management doesn’t get the attention and investment it deserves.
[0:00] Introduction
[5:00] How has executive upskilling and reskilling evolved?
[13:26] How do organizations give their leaders opportunities to grow?
[25:23] Why does change management often lack the investment it needs?
[35:29] Closing
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“Leaders should be leverage makers. Your right leaders turn the output of one person into the seeming output of five people—that’s leverage.”
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Beth White, Founder and CEO of MeBeBot, joins us this episode to discuss lessons learned from working with AI. She also shares concerns regarding the continued widespread integration of AI in organizations as well as hopes for the future of AI.
[0:00] Introduction
[5:21] What has Beth learned over the years working with AI?
[10:20] What are Beth’s concerns regarding AI?
[26:23] What are Beth’s hopes for the future of AI?
[34:56] Closing
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“[If we] help educate and train people on AI today, we’ll have a more employable workforce for the future.”
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Ann Kuss, CEO of Outstaff Your Team, joins us this episode to discuss common causes for employee turnover in organizations, the impact it has on remaining team members, and strategies to reduce turnover while managing its stress on the team.
[0:00] Introduction
[5:16] What are the most frequent causes for turnover in the tech industry?
[13:07] What are the financial and psychological costs of turnover?
[23:11] What are some effective retention strategies that can reduce turnover?
[31:22] Closing
Quick Quote
“Sometimes employees are not looking for that next-level thing, and from a manager’s perspective, getting them unstuck can be a challenge.”
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Martha Curioni, People Analytics Consultant at Provisio Data Solutions, joins us this episode to discuss some best practices for responsible AI implementation in organizations. She also explains the importance of integrating AI models into existing processes and allowing users to submit feedback on the AI.
[00:00] Introduction
[05:33] What does “responsible AI implementation” mean?
[14:30] What are the essential steps for responsible AI implementation?
[26:59] How can organizations avoid training AI models on bad data?
[35:33] Closing
Quick Quote
“Companies need to ensure that the AI they’re going to be using is implemented in a way that is transparent, minimizes the influence of bias, supports fairness, and empowers employees and managers to make better decisions.”
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John Barrand, Chief HR Officer for the State of Utah, joins us this episode to discuss the unique challenge of modernizing performance management in the public sector.
[0:00] Introduction
[8:18] What are the key differences between public and private sector HR?
[14:48] How do HR processes differ in public vs. private organizations?
[33:58] How to present data-driven plans to public sector stakeholders
[40:26] Closing
Quick Quote
“[The public sector] is seeing [employee satisfaction] upticks that are outpacing private sector organizations . . . people are hearing that if you’re a good performer, there’s a place for you [in the public sector].”
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Chris Taylor, Founder and CEO of Actionable, joins us this episode to discuss why—and more importantly, how—organizations might invest in measuring behavioral change resulting from training and development initiatives.
[0:00] Introduction
[4:08] What behavioral change should we expect from talent development programs?
[12:25] How can organizations measure engagement?
[23:51] How can organizations ensure that behavioral change lasts?
[33:06] Closing
Quick Quote
“If we assume [an organization’s] strategic priorities involve achieving something that we’ve never achieved before, then it’s going to require some new . . . processes and/or competencies.”
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Hannah Dannecker, Managing Partner of the Better Together Group, joins us this episode to discuss staffing in the transportation and trucking industry. We explore the growing push over the last decade to bring more women into the historically male-dominated field.
[0:00] Introduction
[8:32] How Hannah got into the transportation industry
[20:15] Why many have built a lasting career in transportation
[28:47] Championing women in transportation
[45:15] Closing
Quick Quote:
“For the [trucking] industry at large . . . females are valuable. Female truck drivers are incredible—their safety ratings are fantastic; they’re dedicated; they’re diligent. They're great employees.”
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Kasara Weinrich, Director of Sales Technology and AI Solutions Designer at ADP, joins us this week to discuss how organizations weigh generative AI adoption. As a PhD candidate in anthropology and social change, Kasara offers a unique historical perspective on how workers have adapted to technological disruption.
[0:00] Introduction
[5:47] What’s wrong with the world of work today?
[18:46] What are the implications of unregulated use of people data by generative AI?
[28:07] How does an organization prepare for generative AI adoption?
[38:46] Closing
Quick Quote
“For certain work, generative AI can [augment and automate tasks] while bringing the human skills to the top, but only if it’s done strategically and not just because it can be done.”
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Siri Chilazi, Senior Researcher for the Women and Public Policy Program at Harvard Kennedy School, joins us this episode to discuss identifying and implementing solutions that make the workplace fair for everyone.
[0:00] Introduction
[5:38] The new paradigm of workplace fairness
[18:26] How do we change processes to drive equity
[29:29] How do we improve the data that drive fairness?
[35:14] Closing
Quick Quote
“Fairness [at work] is not a program but a way of doing things.”
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Peter Laughter, speaker and experienced recruiting/staffing entrepreneur, joins us this episode to discuss why he believes recruitment is broken and how he views the future of HR as a result.
[0:00] Introduction
•Welcome, Peter!
•Today’s Topic: Recruitment is Broken—How Can We Fix It?
[1:59] Peter journey in recruiting and staffing
•Lessons learned from working for a small staffing firm
•The commoditization of recruitment and staffing services
[19:28] Is recruitment broken?
•The connection between engaged employee and customer satisfaction
•How transformative technologies will fundamentally change organizations
[31:55] How Peter’s experience has framed his view of the future of HR
•Will HR be viewed as a resource as opposed to a cost center?
•The critical impact adaptive leadership can have on an organization’s HR team
[40:11] Closing
•Thanks for listening!
Quick Quote
“How can our organizations be effective if HR is viewed as a cost center as opposed to a resource?”
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Chris McAlister, founder of SightShift and renowned leadership coach, explores the crucial difference between leading for validation versus leading for genuine impact.
[0:00] Introduction
•Welcome, Chris!
•Today’s Topic: Leading for Impact, Not Validation
[5:13] The problem with leadership today
•How the quest for validation undermines effective leadership
•Focusing on the organization’s needs and not personal wishes
[12:55] How do leaders overcome their insecurities?
•Measuring and managing insecurities
•How toxic workplace cultures challenge leaders
[24:57] What can HR practitioners can support leadership development
•Focusing on positive growth over risk management
•Why traditional leadership training often falls short
[33:28] Closing
•Try this: Identify the last time you had a moment of insecurity in the workplace
•Thanks for listening!
Quick Quote
“[HR leaders] are not here just to protect the organization from harm, . . . [they’re] also here for how good it can get.”
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In this very special episode, we bring together Salary.com’s top compensation experts for a fascinating roundtable discussion. Featuring insights from our senior consultants Courtney LeCompte (Director of Consulting Sales), Eric McMillan (VP of Compensation Consulting), Garry Straker (VP of Compensation Consulting), Angela Bailey (VP of Compensation Consulting), Greg Wolf (Managing Principal), and hosted by Dwight Brown (VP of Compensation Consulting) and David Turetsky (VP of Consulting), we dive into our reflections on 2024 and our predictions for the future of HR in 2025.
[0:00] Introduction
[9:29] Reviewing our predictions for 2024
[19:04] Predictions for 2025
[42:44] Final thoughts
[45:46] Closing
Quick Quote
“California was first out of the gate with this, but I anticipate us at least seeing [healthcare minimum wage] legislation introduced in other states.”
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As Season 8 of HR Data Labs comes to a close, David Turetsky and Dwight Brown reflect on the season’s episodes, guests, and key topics. They also revisit their predictions from the Season 7 finale and posit some new predictions for the future of HR.
[0:00] Introduction
[6:01] Looking back at Season 8’s major topics and themes
[18:09] Reviewing predictions made in the Season 7 finale
[25:57] David and Dwight’s predictions for what the next six months will bring for HR
[33:07] Closing
Quick Quoteem
“With the implementation of AI, what people don’t realize is: you need significant resources for the care and feeding of that AI.”
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Bennett Sung, Strategic Marketing Advisor at Restworld and Fractional CMO at MeBeBot, joins us in this episode to explore AI’s current and future role in HR. He talks about where AI best fits within existing HR tech stacks and shares exciting prospects for AI implementation, while also considering how pay transparency is transforming recruitment strategies.
This conversation took place at the HR Tech 2024 conference in Las Vegas.
[0:00] Introduction
[7:36] How will AI fit into existing HR technology stacks?
[15:51] Will pay transparency be a game changer for recruitment?
[21:31] Will 2025 be a breakthrough year for AI in HR?
[39:45] Closing
Quick Quote
“Following the money is important for HR to master . . . to build business cases for the long term.”
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Chris Havrilla, Vice President of HCM Product Management at Oracle, joins us in this episode to discuss the hurdles organizations face (or merely think they face) when looking to integrate new technologies into their workflows. She also explores how organizations can benefit from learning to work with AI.
[0:00] Introduction
•Welcome, Chris!
•Today’s Topic: How to Reduce Technological Adoption Barriers in Organizations
[4:34] How has HR evolved in the last few years?
•HR is finally in a place where technology can work for it
•The root causes of HR teams’ reluctance to adopt new technologies
[16:06] How can organizations reduce technological adoption barriers?
•Reframing new technology as a strategic “team member” rather than a threat
•Mitigating fear, uncertainty, and doubt surrounding AI implementation
[29:11] How can organizations practically integrate AI?
•Shifting the conversation from “Will AI replace me?” To “How can AI help me work more efficiently?”
•Why quality assurance remains essential in AI-assisted workflows
[34:09] Closing
•Thanks for listening!
Quick Quote
“I think the thing that is really messing people up is the notion of transformation [when adopting new HR technologies] . . . but if you can show people how to take baby steps, the momentum builds pretty quickly.”
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Jack Coapman, Chief Strategy Officer at GR8 People, joins us in this episode to discuss the evolution of recruitment and its relationship to compensation. He explores the pros and cons of emerging technologies and emphasizes that successful recruitment still fundamentally depends on people and processes.
[0:00] Introduction
[4:18] How is the relationship between recruitment and compensation evolving?
[15:10] How has recruitment technology and processes evolved?
[24:26] Was Jack shocked by anything he saw at HR Tech 2024?
[34:18] Closing
Quick Quote
“You don’t want to get days, weeks, months into a screening process with somebody only to find at the end that you’re never going to be able to align the dots when it comes to [the compensation] that candidate is seeking and what the organization wants to pay.”
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Sapient Insights Group is the research and advisory firm that organizes the annual HR technology survey which seeks to shed light on HR professionals’ relationships with existing and emerging technologies. In this episode, Stacey Harris (Chief Research Officer & Managing Partner) and Teri Zipper (CEO & Managing Partner) join us to discuss HR’s technical revolution and how it has been affecting compensation.
This conversation took place at the HR Tech 2024 conference in Las Vegas.
[0:00] Introduction
[5:28] How has HR’s landscape changed (besides AI)?
[12:44] HR’s technology paradox
[20:33] How important is compensation in the modern HR ecosystem?
[32:32] Closing
Quick Quote
“[Compensation] shows up in places we often forget inside the whole HR model—it’s part of your time and attendance . . . that’s a really important issues for those people who depend on it.”
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Kathi Enderes, Senior Vice President of Research and Global Industry Analyst at The Josh Bersin Company, joins us in this episode to explore why compensation practices have stagnated and how organizations can modernize their approach to pay.
[0:00] Introduction
[5:13] How has compensation evolved in recent decades?
[13:40] How can organizations make compensation more accessible?
[23:10] Should organizations replace merit programs with targeted incentive programs?
[31:39] Closing
Quick Quote
“In all areas of HR . . . if we speak our own language, business won’t understand it and you’re not going to gain any credibility.”
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Noelle London, Founder and CEO of Illoominus, joins us in this episode to discuss the strides people analytics has made over the years, how the intersection of compensation and people analytics gives leaders another tool to better steer their organizations, and what organizations can expect of AI once the hype subsides.
This conversation took place at the HR Tech 2024 conference in Las Vegas.
[0:00] Introduction
[4:52] How are organizations using people analytics?
[9:44] How do compensation and people analytics intersect?
[20:35] Beyond the hype cycles, how will AI change HR?
[29:40] Closing
Quick Quote
“HR is not administrative. Organizations that look at HR as administrative are not truly seeing . . . that investing in your people is investing in your business.”
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Stacia Garr, Co-founder and Principal Analyst at RedThread Research, joins us this episode to explore the current state of AI in HR technology. Stacia dives into how vendors’ AI expectations often diverge from those of their customers and examines the disconnect in how employers and employees relate to AI in the workplace.
This conversation took place at the HR Tech 2024 conference in Las Vegas.
[0:00] Introduction
[4:33] How has HR technology evolved in recent years?
[15:51] Beyond the hype cycle, where does AI land in the world of HR?
[25:46] Is 2025 the year HR embraces and adopts AI?
[34:56] Closing
Quick Quote
“Many of the [HR technology] acquisitions that are happening now are less about the technology and more about the data”
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Jay Polaki is the Founder and CEO of HR Geckos™ and the host of the HR Bytes™ Podcast. In this episode, Jay unpacks HR trends that everyone should be following in 2025, what happens when AI gets assigned the role of administrative assistant, and how AI will realistically contribute to HR once the hype settles.
This conversation took place at the HR Tech 2024 conference in Las Vegas.
[0:00] Introduction
[3:16] What’s the latest HR tech trend everyone should be following in 2025?
[11:27] How does HR change if AI is used for administrative assistance?
[17:16] What will AI be bringing to the table once the hype cycle dies down?
[32:44] Closing
Quick Quote
“HR can never be automated 100% . . . the ‘H’ in ‘HR’ [stands for] ‘human,’ but the way AI is evolving, we can’t just sit back and say we’re not going to embed it into our workflow.”
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Susan Richards is the Founder and Managing Partner of Sapient Insights Group. In this episode, Susan discusses the evolution of HR tech over the past year, the role consultants play in helping organizations effectively implement AI into their HR workflows, and how to prepare AI models to assist with administrative tasks.
This conversation took place at the HR Tech 2024 conference in Las Vegas.
[0:00] Introduction
[5:14] How has HR tech evolved in the last year?
[11:53] Do organizations need consultants for AI implementation?
[21:47] How does HR use AI for administrative assistance?
[32:32] Closing
Quick Quote
“I believe there are a lot of compliant-related tasks that could be handled by an [AI model], and it could be done consistently, on time, and keep us out of hot water.”
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Mark Stelzner is the Founder and Managing Principal of IA, an HR consulting firm. In this episode, Mark discusses what people aren’t talking about when it comes to AI; why organizations should let their employees safely explore AI in the workplace; and how basic AI guidelines and data governance can be transformational.
This conversation took place at the HR Tech 2024 conference in Las Vegas.
[0:00] Introduction
[2:47] What are we missing when it comes to AI?
[11:41] How can organizations safely explore AI?
[22:49] What role does data governance play in an organization’s AI rollout?
[32:26] Closing
Quick Quote
“If an organization has not invested in content that is accurate [and refreshed], an AI model will hallucinate . . . because the large language model is sourcing from content which is not truly authoritative.”
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IA HR
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Danielle Bushen, Global Head of People Analytics Data Governance and Stewardship at Sanofi, joins us to explore how people analytics intersects with compensation. She shares insights on modernizing compensation through data-driven practices, the importance of pay transparency, and the role of well-designed HR processes in the successful integration of AI.
This conversation took place at the HR Tech 2024 conference in Las Vegas.
[0:00] Introduction
[3:08] When and how do people analytics and compensation intersect?
[15:45] How should organizations approach pay transparency compliance?
[33:47] How can organizations intentionally integrate AI into their HR systems?
[42:40] Closing
Quick Quote
“I think the world of pay transparency is moving in exactly the same direction that data privacy went.”
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This episode features two conversations that took place at the HR Tech 2024 conference in Las Vegas.
Tracie Sponenberg is a Fractional Chief People Officer and Consultant for the distribution industry. In part one of this episode, she talks about why some organizations are slower to adopt new HR tech than others; the importance of adopting new technology with strong ethics and data governance; and how compensation has been affected by the latest developments in AI.
Adriana DiNenno is the Senior Product Manager at Health eCareers. In part two of this episode, she talks about how emerging HR technology can help both job seekers and recruiters save lots of time; how pay transparency regulations will affect recruitment; and how AI-based recruitment systems won’t create an emotional connection with job seekers.
[0:00] Introduction
[1:20] Part One: Evolution of HR Tech with Tracie Sponenberg
[25:33] Part Two: Evolution of Recruitment Technology with Adriana DiNenno
Quick Quote
“I found, in healthcare, within my own data set . . . that [job] seekers are more likely to view [job postings] and apply when the compensation and salary are listed.” -Adriana DiNenno
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