HoosWhere Podcast
EPS 179 Hooswhere ft. Evan Baum
Sit tightly as we take a journey through the life and accomplishments of Evan Baum, a distinguished UVA alumni and the current Vice President at Ares. An engaging conversation that sees us traverse from his college years, where he was not only a prodigy in academics but also a stand-out soccer player, to his career transition from banking to real estate. His journey is a testament to the power of mentorship and the strength of networks, as he reminisces about his early days on campus, the influence of his mentor, and his decision to leave a potential soccer career behind.
Buckle up for the second leg of our chat with Evan as we move from the field to the world of banking and then real estate. His stories of transitioning from public markets to the buy side serve as a lesson to anyone looking to make their mark in the finance industry. Dive deep into his portfolio-level underwriting experiences, relationships fostered along the way, especially with UVA great Ronde Barber, and his invaluable insights about asset classes. And as a cherry on top, we delve into his experiences of the Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony and Rondes importance in his life. Join us for this exhilarating journey of growth, transition, and the power of networking!
Sit tightly as we take a journey through the life and accomplishments of Evan Baum, a distinguished UVA alumni and the current Vice President at Ares. An engaging conversation that sees us traverse from his college years, where he was not only a prodigy in academics but also a stand-out soccer player, to his career transition from banking to real estate. His journey is a testament to the power of mentorship and the strength of networks, as he reminisces about his early days on campus, the influence of his mentor, and his decision to leave a potential soccer career behind.
Buckle up for the second leg of our chat with Evan as we move from the field to the world of banking and then real estate. His stories of transitioning from public markets to the buy side serve as a lesson to anyone looking to make their mark in the finance industry. Dive deep into his portfolio-level underwriting experiences, relationships fostered along the way, especially with UVA great Ronde Barber, and his invaluable insights about asset classes. And as a cherry on top, we delve into his experiences of the Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony and Rondes importance in his life. Join us for this exhilarating journey of growth, transition, and the power of networking!
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Speaker 2:And we alive Back Another episode of the who's when podcast. We have another amazing guest, another UVA legend, on the podcast today. But first I'm your host, chase Minifield, and we have our co-host, max Millie. What's going?
Speaker 1:on guys Coming to you with our last episode from Brooklyn. It's time to have you guys back for another great one For another, great one man.
Speaker 2:We got a class of 2015. Class of 2015 and one of my good friends. Right here we have Evan Bum.
Speaker 3:Bum. Right, what's up guys? Bum, bum, bum. People all throughout the college call me Bomber. So Bomber.
Speaker 2:That's good. I want to make sure that we put some respect on it for sure. So how you doing man, what's up?
Speaker 3:Good man, summer's flying, so much flying. Hopefully I can bring up the rear here today and style.
Speaker 2:Tell everybody your current position.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I work at an alternative asset manager called Aries. I've been there a lot under six years and it's been a good ride.
Speaker 2:You're just your vice president, huh VP, and you're young VP. What did you graduate 2015.
Speaker 1:2015?
Speaker 2:That's great I mean other 2015 is in the VP's position.
Speaker 1:Not that I know of. I'm not keeping tabs.
Speaker 2:You're not keeping tabs. You also went to McIntyre right?
Speaker 3:That's right.
Speaker 2:And yeah, so we got one of our great UVA alum man, who's you know we're also on the real estate board together, so I'm excited to get Evan's full background and story to be met. So let's start off with like, where are you from?
Speaker 3:I grew up in North Jersey About 45 minutes from the city. People are always like oh, when you moved to the city it was like coming home, very different. You used to only come to the city for special occasions and what not. It was definitely more of a suburban type of feel. So that transition wasn't as smooth and seamless as people might expect.
Speaker 2:That makes sense. Did anything from your childhood influence the career path that you ended up going to put up?
Speaker 3:You know, it probably took shape a little bit later than most. I'm the son of a doctor. My grandfather was a doctor. He had four kids. All four became doctors. I thought as a toddler, that's the path that I'd go down fast forward. Couldn't be doing anything more different than saving lives by that.
Speaker 2:Did you ever grow up with your doctor background? In your household? Was there an emphasis on safety?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I know you said they let us roam, though they weren't the prototypical 21st century helicopter. Parents.
Speaker 2:That's for sure. That's what's up, man. So what made you come to UVA? So you come from Northern Jersey. Did you know anybody what you made previously?
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, it's funny, North Jersey art schools and kids are really good at schools across the country but not a lot went to UVA. I'd say most chose Michigan as the stereotypical, really good public university and I had a friend who has been an informal mentor and close family friend since I was a teenager, who went to Virginia back in the 90s and he loved it, was really involved in the school right around the time that I was applying to colleges and he was the one who really told me about how awesome Virginia was and started pushing it a little bit on me. And after visiting the school. It's actually funny the first time I went to Charlottesville I was playing in a soccer tournament down in Richmond called the Jefferson Cup, which is always one of the most competitive tournaments in the mid-Atlantic.
Speaker 3:It was in March. It was during my junior year. We played a game, it was pouring rain, it was muddy, we lost and the tournament got washed out. So rather than just waste the weekend, my dad, who was with me for the tournament, said why don't we at least make a productive trip out of this and go drive through Charlottesville? So drove to Charlottesville in the pouring rain, walked along, went into the Rotunda, and just because of the weather it wasn't exactly the best first impression, but I just kind of let it go and it worked out. They didn't know they was recruiting. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:They didn't even use on campus, man, they wouldn't put out the stuff Exactly exactly. So what any other school did you think about? Like kind of made a decision between.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I looked at a lot of schools. You know, up until probably the start of my senior year at high school, I was considering a lot of options to play soccer, but ultimately I was a really good student and only was going to play if it meant that I'd get into a school that otherwise was more aspirational from an academic standpoint. None of those five or so schools worked out, and when I wanted to go to the UVA, applied, got in and no, that was, that was a choice, that was it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you said you were a standout soccer, not just a nice number player. Right, you're doing, you were. You got national championship.
Speaker 3:National championship back in 2010.
Speaker 2:Hey.
Speaker 3:Alternative team.
Speaker 1:Once a, we're always.
Speaker 2:That's right, they can't take that. He started out, he started going down that path. You can't do nothing mediocre. So the short TVA. And are you like you know you want to do, comm school or what? Are you looking to kind of get into what was scared?
Speaker 3:knew I want to do comm school, had no idea exactly what I wanted to do.
Speaker 2:And did you think about doing anything else? As far as, like you know, we just want to Greek, greek live, like all that stuff. It's kind of like. I Guess, like you know, this is how this is how that was gonna show up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, first, first month of school. The thought was I was still talking to the coaches to actually walk on soccer team, okay, and they say, why don't we, you know, why don't you try for the club team? Play club, stay sharp and we'll talk in the winter. And so it was a setup. So Join the club team. I Played a bit that fall about a month in the school, was having a lot of fun, decided definitely was not going to walk out and that was the end of my soccer career.
Speaker 1:But the soccer is a sock. Seems like kind of crazy classes. Are you still able to like do a full comm school schedule and soccer would your ability?
Speaker 3:does anyone a team in it? We a few of the guys in my block were on soccer, okay, but it's not easy, yeah, and I mean you guys know Right, yeah it's funny when I was growing up my, my dad, who you know always put academics.
Speaker 3:First he said You're really good at school, you're really good at soccer, you're really good at social yeah, but you can't be the best at all three. And when I was in high school I was like, yeah, that's much bullshit. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna try all three, but especially in college. I mean playing the visual on soccer.
Speaker 2:Virginia, that's a full-time job. Oh yeah, that's our team. So I think it was just trying to walk on like you know, say some little scrub team, I know. So I think it was pretty sure it could be contended for national championships. They max Alex says stop smacking your leg. That was my stuff, last sir smacked. So how's your experience at UVA in general? Like, what did you? Is it stand out things that you thought was very dope from your time at UVA?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a calm school and and Memories from my fraternity were Definitely standouts and did you?
Speaker 2:we was applying for Conspirators. You did you that many like when you just, you know, killing the game straight-A student type situation. First two years and then you probably possibly like number one, number one choice.
Speaker 3:I think they had this academic honor called intermediate honors, which I gave out After two years to the top. I don't know if it's ten or point percent of the class. I got that. And then you know the the. Everyone thinks that the college school curriculum is easy and everyone just gets straight A's. But surprisingly my GPA actually went down between end of my second year in graduation. But that was probably more testament to spending time outside of the classroom.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how is it? How are the cohorts for a college school? They've got pretty tight as I go through and my post graduation situation.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're. We're still in touch with each other all the time, not just within real estate, which is obviously my field, but I still probably keep in touch with a third half of the four people that were in my block. So what's what's explainable?
Speaker 1:You know your block.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So comm school at the time had, you know, roughly 300, 325 students and they invited up into a 40 person lock and your first semester, third year, they put you in groups of four, five and you do a semester long project together and my group actually got selected. I remember at the end of my fall semester, third year, to go present to corporate sponsors up in Pittsburgh, which is a fun time, and I was recently reminiscing about it with one of my block mates who went on that trip with me and works in real estate, and we're actually in process of trying to Organize the EVA real estate ski trip For this upcoming year. That'll be the first of many, hopefully, that's nice.
Speaker 2:So did you when you got there that would you like real estate with my path, or did you want to have your phone to the real estate?
Speaker 3:It's funny Someone actually asked me that. I think was actually last night. I was hanging out with you real estate friends and the comm school does an amazing job at Creating a lot of structure around recruiting and it's it's probably by design and intentional. You know they Tell you all about investment banking and finance options. They tell you about consulting options, counting options and marketing options and you really have to pick. For at least 10 years ago You've had to pick within those major food groups and so I I decided I wanted to start investment banking and, you know, applied to a number of the different banks that would come recruit a DBA and one of the interviews I had was at Raymond James, which was headquartered down in Tampa.
Speaker 3:I had a background in surrounding ties to the area. I actually, my first two summers went in school. I worked for the Buccaneers because I love sports. Can we connect to a tournament? It was before that we could jump into that in a second. But I thought at one point I wanted to pursue a career in sports and did a couple different things for the team after my first and second years and then decided you know Raymond James is down there had a lot going for me down there, a lot of friends, pretty strong network and I had my first interview, which was a phone interview, and most of the investment banking internship are generalist type interview processes.
Speaker 3:So I remember I was sitting in my third year house at 1310, where I went, which was an absolute dump. I was living with ten fraternity brothers. There was a homeless guy that lived there the summer leading up to that year. When I moved in, my mother came down with me and she was appalled, but I was sitting there on my futon. That was probably passed down for I don't know how many years before I got it. And you know the first question I got was so why do you want to work in real estate investment banking? And I can't remember for sure, but I think my response was you know, to be completely honest with you, I wasn't aware that this was a real estate.
Speaker 1:You know interview.
Speaker 3:And I said but I like real estate for the following reasons. I'm studying it in the undergraduate business school here in Virginia. I like that. It's a really entrepreneurial type of sector. You look at a lot of the most successful real estate investors, you know, whether it be in New York or nationally, and they, you know, started from scratch and I think that really resonated with me and that's, you know, kind of how it all started.
Speaker 3:I went down there that summer and it was a great experience. I was commuting to the office, you know, about 40 or 45 minutes each way and ultimately, for a variety of reasons, I wanted to. You know I got a return offer but I wanted to pivot and start my career in New York. You know, after having that experience, what I realized was New York's the finance capital of the world and I could always go back to Tampa later in life. And so I ultimately called, emailed, a senior professional at RBC, which is the rubbing of Canada. He was a UVA grad and I told him about my summer internship. But I wanted to pivot to New York. He sent me up with an interview and that's where I started full-time. You mean it, where? That's right.
Speaker 3:I've had three jobs since graduating, in all three you know I didn't get them through traditional recruiters, headhunters. They were all based on me proactively reaching out to UVA alums to try and get to know them personally. You mean an alumni spot. You've altered.
Speaker 1:So is there, I mean in the comms school, is there? Like, when you graduate, they're like hey, here's a network of people. Do you think something like that would be beneficial? Or what does that network like? Ask us, you know playing sports, we're also, you know, one of their recruiters. Grads is like, you know, it's a network. It's much more like I don't know anyway, to get this kind of field.
Speaker 3:So you know, for you guys, is there something set up for you guys?
Speaker 1:And you just looked up, hey, UVA alums and different stuff.
Speaker 3:They had a portal, oh OK, and I used the portal to get in touch with this guy, scott Merkel, at RBC, who ended up hiring me there. And then I think, I used the LinkedIn to get my second job at Aliens Real Estate and then for Aries, I actually was referred by a dear friend now who was the RA on the opposite side of my first year at home no one, and yeah, so we worked together for a long time at Aries and it's funny how it all works out that way. So when I chat with younger people that are looking for jobs, I say leverage that UVA network and don't be afraid to just shoot your shot, because it worked for me. Sounds like you stuffed Curry with a shot. You know, I started watching his documentary last night. I fell asleep, but he's got a good shot, yeah good shot right there.
Speaker 2:He's been made 2K shot, 3.0 shot at 99. So I don't know if it's anybody better, but let's talk about your kind of job issue before your current job right now. What kind of was your experience that you learned once you got out there into this leader cap on the road? Were you now living in a big pond with a big fish? And just give us your background and your experience right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'd say banking was a perfect transition from school to the real world in finance. You guys know how fun UBA is and I think banking was a great way to kind of rip the bandaid off and start a career. You're working really long hours, you're developing a lot of technical skills, you're learning how to be a professional, which you guys probably learned a little bit earlier in college, playing different football relative to the frat boy Going drinking four days a week.
Speaker 1:Your schedule is rigorous too. You're making different ways.
Speaker 3:What I soon realized was that, while I was getting really strong public markets experience and learning a lot about how to be a great financial analyst, I ultimately knew that I wanted to pivot to the buy side, on the real estate side, and in order to be successful in a future role, I would need exposure to property level experience, portfolio level underwriting and more than just real estate and re-capital markets. So most of my peers stayed in banking for a two or three year analyst program and my thesis at the time was, if I could kind of merge what I've learned in the year plus of banking with buy side experience and forge my own two or three year analyst program, I would be better off in the head of some of my peers just because I've had exposure to more things. So it was probably the spring of 2016 when I called email. It was LinkedIn actually.
Speaker 1:LinkedIn.
Speaker 3:LinkedIn and other Wahoo at Allianz. He actually took probably four to six weeks to reply. He was doing an international exchange, which was a cool perk that Allianz offers. He was over in Paris working when they sent one of our French colleagues or a future French colleague, over to New York and we ended up FaceTime audioing and he said hey man, I'm really sorry I'm over here in Paris, but I actually think our equity team, which is really growing quickly and putting out a lot of money they're looking for an analyst because they don't have one. Would he be interested and ended up interviewing became the only analyst on the team.
Speaker 3:There we had a team of four. We were super close and we had a mandate to put out a few billion dollars of equity a year. So I got to work on every deal. Part of you know a sliver of what we did was invest in other private equity funds. So I was able to meet with large managers like Aries and other more specialized managers, and this gave me the opportunity to really hone in on what I wanted to do. Next, you're the analyst.
Speaker 2:That goes to you for the review. You did not understand.
Speaker 1:You did not. That's why.
Speaker 3:I was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you did not. Are you allowed? I mean, this is like kind of insider training. Do you want to invest in any of these deals of culture table or do you do any?
Speaker 3:are you not doing like on your own? Separate from it. We're focused primarily on our day to day job.
Speaker 1:Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 2:So with your, with your, your experience of being a guy to look to and go to, so I'm assuming you have some pressure on you, for instance, to your, to the partners, right, that's right. Like like you got to come in there, you got to be butted out. When you, when they get pushed back, what kind of pushback are you looking at? Cause I'm sure you're buying a book pretty much as far as what you're looking at and getting it to them straight, like this is, like this is the danger. You know what I'm saying. If somebody wants to do, they mostly go with you in your thought process or are they pushing back a lot and being like, hey, I don't like this opportunity, cause I like this opportunity and I don't care what you want to say?
Speaker 3:That's a good question. I'd say you know part of the benefit of working at a place for now almost six years, as you grow up, in that business. So I've spent, you know, roughly two thirds of my career now at Aries and working for a lot of the same people, because we don't have a lot of turnover and you, through that experience, tend to know what you should be doing. So there are surprises where there's healthy debate over things that you might think were a slam dunk for reasons that you may not have thought of. But you generally, at this point in the game, push what you think is worth. Pushing Makes sense.
Speaker 2:Makes sense. So have you ever had any stories where you're like sure, I'm like this slam dunk, this slam dunk. I know I'm not going to go to the park and this is the best that I can bring you and they're like how good.
Speaker 3:No examples come to mind, but it's a tough environment out there. It's a tough environment, you know. Part of the benefit of being a large manager with a lot of different pools of capital and flexibility is you are showing a lot of different opportunities. And I'd say you know, while there are a lot of third party resources to get smart on what's going on in the real estate sector and more macro, I'd say we're we benefit from seeing a lot because of our scale Makes sense.
Speaker 1:You worked through COVID right, I did COVID in Europe. I'm sure was crazy Coming out of it. Now we're coming out of it, have you seen? Are we going back towards, like pre COVID deals in the market or the COVID shift, everything to a whole new sector that you got to discuss on?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a good question. I'd say it's a different market. You know, I'd say COVID's definitely in the rear view, but the macro situation has really changed pretty rapidly over the course of the last 15 months, which creates a lot of new opportunities.
Speaker 2:Well, asset classes this is personally for you. What asset classes if somebody like myself at Max we're looking for like society deals type situation? What asset classes do you think are kind of the same? I've always heard that storage units is kind of the way to go. What have you heard about storage units? Pass I understood. Oh man, so from that situation Trains secrets.
Speaker 1:Come on, man, I'm trying to stop. What are you doing? What's your company messing with today?
Speaker 2:I'm just. I don't want to support your opinions, Okay.
Speaker 3:I was saying more broadly. We tend to try and look for asset types that benefit from supply and demand.
Speaker 2:That makes sense. That's a great answer.
Speaker 3:That is. That's a great answer we got media.
Speaker 2:That's a VP answer. Yeah, so are you doing anything? Do you do anything? I know you said Max kind of asked you about this a little bit but you don't do nothing like privately, not really allowed. That makes sense from that perspective. Uh well, getting to kind of the cool things, that I think is kind of dope from the perspective life. You were just recently at uh the uh the Hedafill Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony and I've never been there, I don't never plan on being there.
Speaker 1:You didn't play long enough. That's not even some yearly about you. They got lucky.
Speaker 2:Ronda got lucky. They took his fight. You know what I'm saying. A couple of knee injuries.
Speaker 3:A lot of people try to take his fight.
Speaker 2:They might have slept out the back end, but uh, child of Ronda, but uh, so essentially, you know my dad, we got a rule where we're like you know, we don't plan to do more, we don't go to the same room, of course it we're not inducted into the house later, we don't go to another thing. So you're going to have to speak from the perspective of you know something that you know. Uh, we don't get to experience. I mean, I'm not going to get to experience. So how was that experience? And uh, where did your, where did? How did you get to know one of the UVA greats?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so taking a step back there, um, one of the one of my good buddies growing up is his dad was was a sports marketing agent and you know he had a number of pretty prominent clients Mark Steyler, uh, tiki Barber, ronde Barber, richard Jefferson, amongst others and so you know I remember we became friends probably right around kindergarten. Every year his birthday party was either at Giants Game or somewhere cool and sports related, and you know, you know we touched on it earlier, but I was playing competitive soccer and I was competitive National champion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we see him as a soccer. Yeah, yeah, love us.
Speaker 3:And, um, you know, I think it was spring break when I was in middle school and my buddy's mother called my mother and said you know what's Evan doing for the week off? And she said, well, you know soccer and not much else. And she said, what do you want him to go? Fly down the 10 bun, spend the week with the barbers? And my mom asked and I said expletive yes and uh, we went down there and you know, at the time that was 12. And I didn't know what to expect, right? But you know, rande and his wife Claudia, their daughters you know justice for I think three and two at the time. So you know, they were very young parents and here they are taking on these two middle school aged knuckleheads for the week. And I'm like, what are you guys doing? And you know they like planned out an awesome week.
Speaker 3:We went to push gardens for a day, rande, my friend Max and I. You know we just cut every line. We, you know, kicked the soccer ball like going through the park. We did like one of those safaris at the amusement park. Another day the Yankees were in town. I'm a diehard Yankee fan. So we went on the field before the Yankee game and met a bunch of the players, and you know it was an awesome time Pretty much.
Speaker 3:So my friend and I ended up going back a number of times and I became really close with Rande, claudia and the girls. And as I got a bit older and you know, soccer took more of a national scale, I played a lot of tournaments down in Florida. So I played at Disney. Rande and Claudia would come watch me, and rather than just come watch me even, and he would carve out the time in the middle of the season, right. So not sure exactly how he did that, but I got some clout with his coach at the time. But as Evan, we went to go spend a few days with us back in Tampa and we just got closer and closer. And then when I wanted to arrive, thinking about going to different schools, you know, the sales pitch came on.
Speaker 2:You didn't even mention that. What are your decision making factors?
Speaker 3:That's what I was alluding to Okay, that's what.
Speaker 3:I was alluding to, and you know then, when I ultimately went to UVA, he would come back for board meetings. We'd go to the corner and go drinking. I remember we were at the Virginia until they stayed up until four. Don't tell the Virginia authorities, because I know the law was too. But I ended up living with them every summer in college and that's obviously how I got the internships with the Buccaneers. And if I lived with them the summer I was getting the same heat to work at Ranking James and you know they're basically the closest thing I have to family. That's not blunt.
Speaker 2:So obviously you get invited to the Hall of Fame service. That was special. You don't get to do that all the time. No, when you told me that you knew, he said he knew. When he told me this, he said you know, I know, I did visit back in the year of the year. It was better than he knows. You just played, you just drank or something, yeah. So then he said yeah. Ronde I was like oh yeah, okay, I get it. That's a strong move.
Speaker 1:That's the only way you could have pulled out of your hat. That's it, yeah, no one else.
Speaker 2:The only way you could have pulled out of that that would have been not putting up an argument. That was not argument, dropping the mic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let it go. Yeah, move on to the next time. That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 2:That was a good idea, so that's awesome, man, but how was your actual time at the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3:It was a special weekend. You know, thursday night we went to the Hall of Fame game just for quarter yeah.
Speaker 2:Preseason, week one as an example. It was an exciting it was Brown's Jets. Brown's Jets. Okay, so Rodney was out there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Rodgers didn't play, but they announced all the different enshrinees and we ended up going to.
Speaker 2:They have a couple EVA guys on there On both of those teams. You have Rodney, you have the other, safety Warren Thornhill.
Speaker 1:You know he's not the chasing one. No they have on the.
Speaker 2:Jets, you have the cornerback, the cornerback that used to be Bryce Hall. Oh, yeah, yeah, I think Bryce Hall, yeah. So, hey, dbu, dbu, that's right, that's all that you see DBU.
Speaker 1:O'Lanview no it's not Titanium O'Lanview Transition DBU. O'lanview Transition DBU. Now, yeah, skill plans, man, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:So no, that's awesome, bro, Anything that stood out for you, any hollow famers that you met that you just like.
Speaker 3:In all of them there was a small private event on Friday night after the Chinese got their gold jackets and there were a hundred different Hall of Famers in this room Just drinking, having fun. Did you meet?
Speaker 2:anybody. And you said, oh man, that's my. I gotta remember this one, let's get a picture.
Speaker 3:There were a lot of guys. I mean you had Emmett Smith, you had Hayden, straight ahead was there Growing up in New York, obviously with some panopids, you know, dan Marino, troy.
Speaker 2:Aikman. What's your favorite player, ronald? Oh, I remember you have to be careful. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3:You know it's funny, dorrel Rebus was also in Ronday's class this year. We were at the bar, no, but I really respect what he did in New York During his peak. He was the ultimate shutdown guy and I went over to him with Ronday at the bar and I said you know, dorrel grew up in New Jersey, watched you a long time. You're my second favorite corner guy.
Speaker 1:He was like, at least I'm on your list man.
Speaker 2:That's fair, that's funny man. So for someone looking to get into your position in this field of real estate, you need a guy. When it comes to knowing the numbers, what is your, I guess, advice or thoughts you would give them that you're getting now?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'd say it's a pretty new like any industry.
Speaker 3:Right, it's pretty nuanced and there's a lot of different ways to start a career and get really good experience. But you know, looking back on, what's helped me is the wide variety of experiences I've had within the field. So don't try and pigeon yourself too early. Try and get exposure to as many different types of you know, whether it be asset classes, whether it be types of transactions, types of investments. Cast a pretty wife net and know enough to be dangerous about a lot of different things. That's the quote of the day Know enough to be dangerous, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, can't be out here, not dangerous now. You know, know enough. You know even worried about you, oh wow. So what's next? What's next Like? What are you trying to do? You're trying to do it. I know you're in a great position to be loved, everything you're doing currently. But five or ten years, you know you're young. What does that look like?
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I think you know the next phase of my career is I'm lucky to be at a place that has grown really rapidly and I've been in a seat where I've been able to participate in a lot of the critical milestones that have helped us grow up until this point. Now it's, you know, being in a more senior position where my responsibility and mandate is to try and grow certain pieces of the business. So that's the goal.
Speaker 2:I see. So let everybody know where they can reach you at man, if somebody's trying to reach out and they can find you or keep up with you, what's the best way to do that? Probably LinkedIn. Linkedin, that's the best way. You shot, just shot that right.
Speaker 3:That's my shot.
Speaker 2:You heard right here, you're trying to shoot the shot. You know what I'm saying? For mentees or the LinkedIn is the way to go. We got a rapid fire podcast question man, so we do podcasts, rapid fires, so it's just like this or that, you choose which one you prefer better between those two things. And it's the first time of mine, but before I get started, did you have any other questions?
Speaker 1:I got mine out there, you sure that's what you're going to tell me what to invest in. We need to start like a YouTube Offline Offline.
Speaker 2:That's perfect. We need to have somebody on YouTube just keep like a max question counter. One, two A.
Speaker 1:Hey today.
Speaker 2:I probably had more than.
Speaker 1:I did last time. That's my bad you know.
Speaker 2:So here you go, you ready Em Hotel Hotels or Airbnbs, hotels, listen to books or read books. Read books, go to the movies or watch Netflix, netflix Cable or Stream Ooh Both. Both IG stories or IG posts. What is it? Ig stories or IG posts? Stories, stories.
Speaker 3:Watch the news or read the news. Read the news.
Speaker 2:Would you rather start a podcast or write a? Write a book? Podcasts Apple or Android Apple.
Speaker 3:Detroit.
Speaker 2:Pizza and New York Pizza Not even a question. Detroit. Pizza and New York Pizza Not even a question. Detroit. Okay, if you were moving, would you hire a moving company or would you get your friends to help you Moving company? There we go, there we go. That is it, man, evan. Man, we appreciate you jumping on. It's a great episode. I'll let you guys next week Easy money.
Speaker 1:That was part of the story.