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The Bandwagon Effect - Haven Exchange #60

June 01, 2022 Gamer's Haven Network Season 1 Episode 60
The Bandwagon Effect - Haven Exchange #60
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The Haven Exchange
The Bandwagon Effect - Haven Exchange #60
Jun 01, 2022 Season 1 Episode 60
Gamer's Haven Network

We are jumping on the Bandwagon! Well at least talking about this social psychology that I am sure we all have experienced in our lives. Tune in as we discuss the Lemming effect in society as well as diving deep into some of Histories wildest Mass Hysteria accounts. Oh an Rick was absent this week, so no Kojima! (there was still Kojima...)

What Bandwagons have you jumped head first into? Let us know!  
  
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We are jumping on the Bandwagon! Well at least talking about this social psychology that I am sure we all have experienced in our lives. Tune in as we discuss the Lemming effect in society as well as diving deep into some of Histories wildest Mass Hysteria accounts. Oh an Rick was absent this week, so no Kojima! (there was still Kojima...)

What Bandwagons have you jumped head first into? Let us know!  
  
  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 
Thank you to all of our Patreon supporters! <3
Silver Tier
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Bronze Tier
-Kurt
-Marlon

Support the Show.

Unknown:

He only likes because she likes to grown up with a perfume on her cell phone and oh, and get this mom. She drinks iced tea.

Genesis:

I can't imagine anyone being more likable than you. But apparently this new girl is. So my advice would be to start copying her in every way. I think that would Alex would say

Sage:

welcome to

Genesis:

The Haven exchange podcast number 60. We have a reckless episode for you this week in CGI handled the pressure problem. This week, we are talking about the lemming effect or more commonly viewed as jumping on the bandwagon. Keep on listening as sage and myself dive deep into the idea of jumping on the bandwagon, along with mass hysteria and body wash. Yes, body wash. But first, if you're enjoying the show each week, give us a review or rating on your favorite podcast app or even tell a friend to check out the show it helps us out. And as always, if you'd like to directly support the show, head over to patreon.com/haven exchange and subscribe to the show there for just $1 a month and gain access to all kinds of bonus perks. All right, it's time to blindly follow me into the greatest episode ever. This is Haven exchange number 60 the bandwagon effect. This is the Haven exchange? Let's go straight into right into it. Yeah,

Sage:

no, no, no no awkward sons ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. Are you ready for the best podcast ever? For the first time? We don't have Rick. Here he is out with a severe anus injury doctor said he should be okay. But I told him to just lay off the bananas.

Genesis:

I thought it was his new his new upgraded the day he got

Sage:

huh Yeah, I thought I told him he didn't need to turbo.com

Genesis:

on the low

Sage:

might you when your day has to rev up is bad thing.

Genesis:

It runs on diesel. It runs on diesel so no. Today holy. This is gonna be the best episode ever.

Sage:

Yeah, no. Oh man. Or hope I'll be honest, I wouldn't pay attention

Genesis:

will be Rotel I was looking at my phone.

Sage:

Or DSB edit that out. Yep, yeah. The actual conversation of intellects.

Genesis:

Do we even have to pay DSP in this episode like this can just not even be edited? Like it

Sage:

probably won't need to be edited.

Genesis:

Well, welcome to The Haven exchange podcast with the best hosts of the show. And with me, not Rick

Sage:

I'm 1111 Stranger Things Yep. Stranger Things it's

Genesis:

fine it's so there's there's a lot of good shows out right now. So we got Stranger Things did you watch Obi Wan

Sage:

Yeah, watch that last week those those first two episodes are pretty far that's pretty good. I read an article today something was think some insider post I forget which state or whatever it was. Oh, UK Insider. That's what it was. And they were like Oh, Stranger Things is good. But I really wish that they would know the 80s and stone a little bit better. Then you look at the author some 25 year old who didn't fucking alive. I'm like shut the fuck up. Be like get out of here.

Genesis:

I think they have nailed it. Although like you felt it in the first season like a lot. I think in this season. You see it in some different ways. Seeing like the colors and stuff like because they're in California, I think

Sage:

yeah, they're going back and forth. So this one is more some more darker. But let the last season when that was in 85 that season was colorful as fuck everywhere you look.

Genesis:

Yeah, the mall right now we're in like that. that broad wall I mean, I mean, I didn't really grow up

Sage:

the Miles was. See, I was thinking about that too. But miles were still semi irrelevant. Most of our childhood didn't really start to go away until, like 2002 ish.

Genesis:

Yeah, yeah. That's another topic that we've been wanting to do is the rise and fall and while

Sage:

some are still some are still hanging on. How I don't know when Amazon is a thing.

Genesis:

Well, I mean, you can say the same for any brick and mortar retail outlet, right?

Sage:

I mean, yes or no? Does you know Lana? Yeah, you can you can except for like, hardware materials and shit like that nobody's waiting three or four days for like a rich

Genesis:

that are like clothing doesn't seem to really, at least for me buying clothing online is still like troublesome.

Sage:

Yeah, because you know, size charts differ. Like I only really buy clothing line is if in when they have a size chart, they actually have it broken down in like inches. So then I can take like a ruler or whatever and, and really do a room and magic measurement on myself.

Genesis:

I should probably do that. I just kind of like imagine what I know to be inches. And it helps in some ways. If you know that we

Sage:

always do that just because I don't want to run the risk of getting something that I did that one time one time only. Just dope ass hoodia ordered. It was a large, but I didn't know it was Chinese large. Yeah, exactly. Which is like a shoe medium over here.

Genesis:

And it sucks too, because a lot of those like hoodies and shirts that I see. And they have these dope as prints. And then when you get them in, then it's like, who is this for? This for? Certainly not me.

Sage:

So it took like fucking two months to get here. And when I got here, I couldn't wear them on the phone. Couldn't wait.

Genesis:

Oh, speaking of which, I have an update on some new purchases that we talked about on previous episodes, and I've got some good news and bad news. Okay. So the first thing that I bought that came out of an episode that we recorded was the automatic toothpaste dispenser. Life changing? Nope, it's fucking terrible. Whatever one that I got is just terrible. And I just threw it away today.

Sage:

Threw it away.

Genesis:

So one, I didn't even fit the two. I had two types of toothpastes. Right? It didn't even fit either one of those and then the one at least, like I could see because it's not a standard size one. The other one was totally the size of like a normal toothpaste to didn't fit it. And I could like force it in there and then stick my tooth rational sensor that tells it to like, and then it just got fucking Googly goggled up inside the little hole. And I tried to make it work I landed there for I kept it there for like a week and now I just threw it away because I'm just

Sage:

I'm gonna see if I can find the one that I use. Because yes, please no issues.

Genesis:

I went for the one that was like moderately priced had decent reviews, although I didn't read the reviews. And if I did, I would read the things I ran into. But it was like 30 bucks, which seemed to be in like the mid level range of pricing. It was stylish. It was automatic. Well, you need to be stylish for to you know, go the decor in the bathrooms

Sage:

people walking in. Yeah, that's my toothpaste dispenser.

Genesis:

You don't want to just look like like the shitty bathroom, you know, you want to look cool and modern and sleek and match the rest of the decor. What do you have just like shit thrown about no rhyme.

Sage:

I go for function function over so when for things like that. I don't really care if somebody come in my bathroom and judge that get out and actually come in here.

Genesis:

The only reason that answers stayed so long is because of the style. Definitely not the function. I wasn't using it even though it was just sitting there and then I finally just decided to throw it away. However the second thing though, this is a big one. This is a this one's a big game changer. Okay. I bought a loofa and some body wash.

Sage:

Oh my god. Welcome to the 21st century.

Genesis:

Say goodbye to the bar soap because I smell good right now.

Sage:

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. And loofahs unexpensive you just replace them every 30 days and you can tell When it's time to get a new one because they start to like unravel and get weighed looser than they get you know you're getting super tight yeah yeah they start to unravel and get super loose and this let you know like oh, it's time to get

Genesis:

the one I got was like this it's a large like sponge looking thing.

Sage:

Oh like the yellow one. Yeah that's the that's the real Lulu for that one it's gonna get off all your dead skin.

Genesis:

Yeah, I felt like it was doing that. Yeah, I enjoyed it. Although it was like it was kind of weird in certain parts, you know washing my body I was like, Okay, this is new technique, I'm gonna have to learn it and then the other the other equation to figure out is how much body wash to putting because I definitely put way too much the first time because I was trying to rinse out all the soap going and going and going and going and going I was like okay, I need to reduce this

Sage:

Yeah, you're never truly going to rinse that off. So because of the way that they're designed all those air pockets they breed more so so as long as as long as it's a little there and water if you squeeze it it's just gonna make more so

Genesis:

yeah, I like the first time like put a lot so I wasted time, but it's a learning experience and it's a great one I am I'm actually very happy to have discovered this

Sage:

disk. They've only been around for 2025 years I'm like that

Genesis:

you know, you know I'm a smart person but it's some of the common things like just over my head you know?

Sage:

Just so much easier than using a bar so it just is

Genesis:

it's nice you know like I wasn't expect well I mean I got some decent body wash to like I didn't get like the you know the dollar store like the kit that you can get surprisingly Old Spice Maddy that was the one was actually really good. That was the one I got was which ones you get there was the smelling one it was like intense scent and exfoliating I don't remember though

Sage:

they all got different flavors I mean different yeah flavors called flavors fucking Absolutely. So like the one I got I think it's like Hulk Hulk fan or half moon or something like that. If you look at the bottle look at the bottle on the back it's a picture of like a shark taking a bath and some of the bait the bottles always have some funny as shit on their marketing

Genesis:

has gotten really good. That's for sure like their commercials because used to be just like that was the thing you got like your dad for Father's Day some like cheap old spice but now it's like kind of elevated to this this modern modern thing and I'm there for it

Sage:

think in the name of some of their sense. See yet Elise all

Genesis:

I got wasn't like some crazy marketing term on it

Sage:

as well. That's kind of all of them though.

Genesis:

I have to look again because like I see when I was shopping for it I seen like stuff like cedar wood. I was like I don't want to smell like wood.

Sage:

So they got swagger. You got Fiji. Temporary you can relax. You got one for exfoliating, relax testing. The one I've been trying to find it's not in stores. I guess apparently can only get it a lot like Panther. I won't try that one.

Genesis:

But just sounds cool.

Sage:

They night Panther was very glove cracking guard. I feel

Genesis:

like I missed out on because I didn't get like one with a cool name. I think it was just a regular. It was just a regular one.

Sage:

Yeah, I use Fiji Fiji smells awesome. But I definitely want to try fucking night Panther.

Genesis:

I wonder what that sounds like.

Sage:

I don't know. But the name has me

Genesis:

see, you know what that's playing into? It's playing into a certain you know, it's marketing feeding into our bandwagon. Desire.

Sage:

I'm not sure I just know that it works 100% of the time. 50%

Genesis:

Yeah. All right. Well, trying to segue into before Rick comes back and said you guys talked about plugging body laws for 30 minutes. What do you guys need me? Huh?

Sage:

That's the only thing that can listen to this.

Genesis:

We can say everything we want. He's only gonna hear from like, people he knows in real life that listen to the show. Like did you hear them roasting the shit out of you and your turbo but Dave diesel driven turbo?

Sage:

Yeah. Dangerous ain't no injuries. He needs to work. Watch out for them.

Genesis:

They're dangerous. I know. That sounds like a cool rap nickname.

Sage:

No, no, it is not.

Genesis:

When you said it had Like a rhythm to it dangerous

Sage:

not to get off topic again, but I got tricked into finally watching that fucking M Night Shyamalan movie. Oh, oh, that was good. No, it was not. And for the people who haven't seen it, I'm not gonna spoil it. But the do the rapper's name was midsize sedan. I almost threw my TV out of my own house.

Genesis:

from reality, though,

Sage:

yes, it is. midsize sedan is your rapper name.

Genesis:

I really liked that movie, but I'm biased to because I like ebonite. So

Sage:

and I can't stand him. So exactly why

Genesis:

we are and we have arrived to our conclusions. What are we? What are we talking about on this episode? This was one of your topics again?

Sage:

Was this originally my topic? I thought it was I think somebody had told me to do it. So instead of questioning it, I just fall in line with it.

Genesis:

Oh, yes. They're prone to this effect.

Sage:

Limiting effect or for the layman's out there. monkey see monkey do.

Genesis:

Yes, there's that the bandwagon effect also jumping in what is what is what is that?

Sage:

Just not thinking for yourself. I mean, just wanting to either not stand out and be you know, a part of the quote unquote cool crowd. Or just not being able to think for yourself and be like, oh, so media is telling me this, so I gotta do this.

Genesis:

Yeah, yeah, there's all of that.

Sage:

It's fucking stupid. Like if people will be more original nowadays, it's just like, tick tock. Tick Tick Tock is a perfect example. Like you sit there somebody comes down and does like, some dance video and it goes viral. Within the hour, you got at least 200 Other motherfuckers doing the exact same dance video.

Genesis:

Yeah, and they've even pointed like, what's the new trend? What's the tic tac trend? Yeah,

Sage:

it's fucking stupid. Just be original.

Genesis:

But now exposing yourself. How original Are you? In your day to day like, You're a very fashionista fella. Fashion is hugely plays into the lemming effect, right? Especially I'm sure you're all through school, like, especially when you're in school.

Sage:

Yeah, but even in school in school. I didn't really care. I mean, I was I was a kid showing up to school with the fucking silk Dragonball Z shirts. I didn't really give a shit.

Genesis:

And you stood out from the crowd.

Sage:

They wouldn't do what I want now. Like I don't wear what everybody likes to wear. Wear what makes me feel comfortable and looks good on me. I don't I don't care if it's popular or not.

Genesis:

Do you see yourself as a trendsetter? Then? Are you the one that starts these movements? Oh, hell no. I'm not even close. Nobody's going in with Dragonball Z slick shirts. No,

Sage:

no, no. I might be popular now. Since anime is so huge now. Back then, definitely got me some dirty looks.

Genesis:

Well, you weren't wearing Jenko jeans and fishnet shirts too.

Sage:

It wasn't wearing during because like I was, I did go through a phase where I wore all my football jerseys backwards. That was a thing. That was that was that was what was in in the early 2000s. I remember that. Yeah. All all your football jerseys had to wear him backwards. That sounds so stupid. Yeah, looking back, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense at all. But

Genesis:

so what do you think, is the reason for this?

Sage:

For what for? Like, why

Genesis:

do we fall into like wanting to be a part of the group?

Sage:

Because it's scary to be alone. A lot of people don't want to be that person. Especially when you're a kid. I mean, kids are many Hitler's

Genesis:

many well, it would be Hitler's followers when that?

Sage:

No, no, they're just tiny little Hitler's just hassles. Yeah.

Genesis:

Like just followers versus leaders.

Sage:

Like if you're different from what they deem at that point to be quote unquote, cool. They're gonna give you shoot for it mercilessly.

Genesis:

Yes, there is that I think there's

Sage:

but that I feel like that though, translates into adulthood because people still just want to fit in. They want to be especially now with, you know, social media and everything.

Genesis:

Yeah, definitely want to bring social media into the mix because it's a huge proponent of, you know, rocketing you know, small beliefs into large groups, I would say, especially with politics, politics probably is one of the biggest negatives that can come from the lemming effect, I would say.

Sage:

I mean, I don't know how even blame lemming affects politics. It's just a bunch of stupid people.

Genesis:

Well hear me out. Because I think the lemming effect. So if we break it down, it's basically you want to fit in to the group? And you said, because it's scary. So that means it's, it's safety to be in part of the masses, right? But yeah,

Sage:

well, okay, maybe I'm looking at when you say in politics, are you talking about like politicians? Or, like, just just your regular,

Genesis:

even higher, just the highest level, you can go with politics and picking aside between Republican and Democratic?

Sage:

I don't think that has anything to do with it. That's all money. That's all it is. When it's up, who's gonna pay me? Who's gonna pay me enough to make sure this vote goes through? Or who who's new? Or who already paid you already do? lobbyists, lobbyists is legal, and it's nothing but abroad?

Genesis:

Well, that's what I'm talking about with politics is like the societal like, conversation about politics on social media, and how Democrats hate Republicans, Republicans hate Democrats and the ammo they use to fuel their war against each other on social media. I think a lot of that is driven by siloed conversations. For the lemming effect, which would Yeah, the fox, the news outlets would certainly play a role into that. Because I think is, here's what, here's what the limiting effect I think comes from it's it's our brains. And we see this in a lot of different aspects of our life. But we like to our brain likes to find shortcuts. And we see that in like the way we recall, memories, everything. Our brain likes to find shortcuts. And the best way to like shortcut your belief system is to just what is the person next to me believe in, and just when you when you shortcut into that, and then you're into these, like, other people, you're in a group with other beliefs, whether it's like, oh, we all believe that these are the clothes we should be wearing. These are the this is what's right, this is what's wrong. You already shortcut it into the group. Now what happens, and this is like, psychologically sound is that we get reinforced by our beliefs, because we're surrounded by those that believe it's so proves to us that what we say is right, because the other person says it's right. So that means therefore we should be right. And now we're in a group, we all think this is the right thing to do or say, and it strengthens, it builds these, these these pillars up. And that's what social media is doing. Especially.

Sage:

I mean, you're not wrong. But I guess I want to put this I can't think of how to put this. So let's go with let's go to the whole the politics part. I feel it's more brainwashing than anything. Kind of Yeah. Because like I said, I remember they did that. They did that tests a couple of weeks back now where they had devout Fox News watchers, watch CNN for one week. And almost all of them change their position on how they on several of the key issues plaguing this country. Yeah, like because, you know, if you live in like a, like you say, to me, it's what you know. So like, if you live in a rural town, where there's maybe 200 people in that whole town, you're all pretty much going to be on the same page. You're not going to have you're not going to have 199 Republicans and one Democrat

Genesis:

Yeah, and like this, there's been studies in that in the same kind of thing that you're describing, but there's like actually been experiments will they'll put a group I forget. I think it was a French study, but they they had a group of people come in and they said, like, what do you think of the current French president? And what do you think about Americans? And so they all like answered how they felt right? And then they had them like get into groups and like talk about what those those each of those points and And then ask them like how they felt afterwards. And it what it showed was that you were more likely to have an extreme point of view of the, of your original point of view after being exposed to the conversations in a group setting. So like, people that were slightly against Americans became even more against Americans after having discussed the same belief within a group. So we get pushed to an extreme level of our opinions when you're surrounded or talking about the same subject in a group setting. Just fascinating.

Sage:

But do you think that would fall under like mass hysteria?

Genesis:

It would. And that is definitely something I wanted to talk about today, because I got a bunch of like, real world example of mass hysteria that happened and that's a fucking crazy thing that we, that happens to us as humans. Possible.

Sage:

It's been happening for years. I mean, look at the whole Salem Witch Hunt.

Genesis:

Yeah. I have different opinions about the Salem witch hunts. Oh, yeah. It is mass hysteria to a degree, right. They. But there was what started it like, like, was it? Was it like the kids were getting sick or something? And then they said, like, some lady did it. And then now everybody, like, I mean, I wish I had that story up front.

Sage:

I don't know what it was, but I can probably guess it's some old white guy was got caught doing something. And instead of taking the blame, he blinked. He blamed it on some woman calling her which, because he was a prominent figure in the community. They believed him. And since they're like, Oh, there's one which there must be more. So every time this happens, everybody just started playing witch, witch witch, and becomes a witch hunt. Like, because people don't want to own up and take responsibility for their own shit. Especially if they have a scapegoat.

Genesis:

Yeah, but if if our if we're able to like experience mass hysteria, that means like something is going on within our brains and our bodies that allows us to get into that mode, right? Or was the masses maybe this is what the mass hysteria part was it that was that? Whatever was it was something to do with kids, though. I swear. Oh, man, I wish I had looked that up. But I swear it was something to do with little kids and something was going on with them. But then like, all the kids started experiencing this. And that was the massive stereo part. And then they blamed it. And the women and they called them which is that they said they were the ones doing it to these kids, even though the kids were experiencing mass hysteria is something like that.

Sage:

All right. I can't confirm or deny that.

Genesis:

But we'll just say I'm right, then.

Sage:

I won't say that at all. But I guess you could use that with what's like currently going on. Like with all this, all the school shootings, and most recently, a school shooting. And it comes up, the topic comes up every time. They're like, Oh, well, we need stricter gun control laws, gun control laws. And they're like, Oh, well, gun control laws don't work, you need to start having a good guy with a gun. There's been several cases where there has been a good guy with a gun there. And he didn't do shit.

Genesis:

Yeah, and even with that, too, that's why I feel like this is what I wanted to mention with the politics thing, too, is that when we get into group thought, it's, it's our brain taking shortcuts. And the evidence, I think that that is what's going on is that these, these seem to be unlike things that have come like deep complexity to him. So like politics, diving into what politics is, and what, what is right for a country for, for, for groups as a whole, like there's so much complexity to it through a shortcut it to just to see what the other person next to us thinks. And the same thing with this gun reform thing. So like, people see a maybe a vague idea of what they think should be. And then that gets compounded and strengthened by the other views they're seeing. And then it becomes the what we just talked about becoming extreme about it. And so we have these polarizing things where it's either gun reform or no gun reform or gun policy changes, even though the situation is too complex to just be a black or white answer, seen, as Steve

Sage:

noted, very, is very much is a black and white answer. I don't because if you if you look around the globe, we're like one of the only countries who still have school shootings.

Genesis:

Sure. And

Sage:

just then you're not trying to be too political here. But just looking at it. The state that has the loosest gun can throw balls, which is Texas has the most fucking shootings? I mean, yes, it doesn't take it doesn't it is true. It is 100 century.

Genesis:

I thought the the proponents for looser gun laws is was using Texas as an example that there's less crime, there's less of that.

Sage:

You have so many fucking shootings. This last shooting was in Texas.

Genesis:

Yeah, but not all of them were not all

Sage:

of them. But since I forget I was watching. I was watching Kimbo because camo did a whole like little segment on it. Because and he was actually in tears crying about the shit. But he broke it down. And he was like, over and since the start of 2020. It was a ridiculous amount of new sci fi fantasy.

Genesis:

But yeah, it isn't your belief that we should have stricter gun laws.

Sage:

It should. Yeah, there's no reason why somebody, there's no reason why somebody who just turned just turned 18 or below 18 or period somebody period. So just be able to sit at home order ar 15 A bunch of body armor, and also the shit with no background checks. And that not put up any red flags to anybody. Yeah. Like somebody should be checking these things out. Like if barmston at home. And I order AR whatever other stuff. That's believe somebody's gonna be knocking on my door. So

Genesis:

yeah, I mean, I don't want to dive too much into this because I feel like this is something that's probably meant for a bigger episode. But I think I think just to throw my opinion in there real quick when you start messing with it. But that that's a slippery slope into losing a lot of other things that might not be intended along with changing some of some of that.

Sage:

Some of the Constitution and shit. Yeah, well, that's fine. I mean, the amendments exist for a reason. Like the right to bear arms cool. When they came up with that, their gun shot one bullet maybe every five minutes, maybe?

Genesis:

Well, it was also in combating, you know, government overrule of the people.

Sage:

Cool. Pistols fine. You should not need a automatic weapon. as just a regular fucking person you just don't know.

Genesis:

Would you feel safer? Having an AR in your home versus a pistol. Now I get a shotgun or a shotgun.

Sage:

Shotgun. I didn't get any money. Well I won't be able to hear shit for like a week, but

Genesis:

I've never fired a gun in my life by the way.

Sage:

I mean, don't get me wrong. I get it. They're fun. If people will just stop all the bullshit about the Constitution. Just admit like we like guns. They're fun. I get it. They are fun. Like I've shot an automatic weapons I've shot and shotguns They're fun. They're fun as fuck. You get a weird sense of power for no goddamn reason.

Genesis:

I imagine I have to try it out just to see just to have a better understanding of what it is. I guess.

Sage:

Yeah, by you. There's tons of places you can go and just go to like a firing range.

Genesis:

I'd want to go like extreme like go to Vegas and like fire rocket launchers and shoot turrets out of a helicopter

Sage:

was a lot of money. A lot of money. If you're

Genesis:

gonna do it you go vague, right?

Sage:

So hold on,

Genesis:

let me grab a tank.

Sage:

I'm waiting for the day somebody just has a tank parked in their fucking front lawn.

Genesis:

Like the technology the technology and manufacturing processes probably make it commercial. At some point like Elon Musk he made flame tours for sale. Hey, you

Sage:

can get fined lowered or clear to clear your snow in the winter that's the most badass way to shovel snow.

Genesis:

You can fuck yeah. Just melt the shit. Yeah, let's go. So well. Before we get away from mass hysteria, though, I might as well just let's talk about some of the ones I pulled up here. Some crazy ones that I found throughout history. And just this this this one right here. The meowing nuns are you familiar?

Sage:

The What?

Genesis:

Are you familiar with that story? them yelling nuns? No, no, no. It's supposedly one of the oldest known events of mass yelling nuns. Yes, you are that right? So apparently there was these group of nuns. And they they lived in this was like the Middle Ages. So they He lived like pretty strict. In their in their daily duties, they were isolated away from society. So you could see how maybe they could break into what was going to happen next. Apparently one of the nuns just started meowing like a cat. And then somehow that led into all of the nuns to just meow like a cat for several hours every day and it became like a practice that they were doing they just all me out.

Sage:

At no point did anybody think to maybe put her down?

Genesis:

Like if she was possessed, I mean,

Sage:

he just started mowing for no goddamn reason. Like, you gotta go.

Genesis:

Well, they that's kind of what ended up happening and how they because people started getting worried about this shit. And so they sent soldiers there to basically whip them until that stopped. And

Sage:

that's a bit extreme.

Genesis:

It works.

Sage:

I mean, I would I would hope so.

Genesis:

So, yeah, them yelling nuns.

Sage:

What What country was

Genesis:

this was where was this at? I forget what where this was that was this. Oh, shit. I don't know. I don't know where this was.

Sage:

Sounds like some Slovakian shit. I don't know why.

Genesis:

Oh, French. Yeah, it was in France. In France. Meow, meow meow.

Sage:

Just every day, just randomly

Genesis:

for several hours, like they wouldn't stop.

Sage:

And I bet you probably say what God told me to do.

Genesis:

And maybe that would be a good excuse. I mean, the Egyptians worship cats like maybe. I mean, cats have very religious historical significance. Yeah.

Sage:

That's, you know, having a cat around and treating cat and not trying to be a cat.

Genesis:

It was the very first Ferrari the next one's a little earlier in are a little later in history. This is in the 60s. It's the Tanzania laughter epidemic of 1962.

Sage:

Laughing

Genesis:

epidemic laughing epidemic.

Sage:

How was that? Okay,

Genesis:

this just sounds crazy. So, apparently, in. In some school in Tanzania. Some, these three girls just started laughing. I don't know if they told a joke or something. And they just couldn't stop laughing. But that spread somehow too much of the students there. So where they had to shut down the school. Because they were fainting. They said breathing problems rashes, crying fits. 95 of the 150 students had been affected. Not only that, it will lead into the parents of these students who then also had these laughing fits. So this got up to like 220 people in the entire village. were laughing. And then nearby schools this started happening. We're just uncontrollable laughing fits of laughter

Sage:

sounds like there was a nitrous leak somewhere.

Genesis:

Could be right. That'd be a weird explanation for it, right?

Sage:

I mean, it'd be logical one. But at laughing epidemic. I would never have thought to put those two words together.

Genesis:

Mass hysteria like what is the shit? What is going on in our brain and our body that like evolutionarily speaking, what would be the purpose of this being built into us? I don't know. It's hard to think of like what's the what could be important or gain out of something like that?

Sage:

Survival?

Genesis:

How like,

Sage:

you don't want to go against your tribe. Like you don't want to be the one the one stand out on your tribe, because then that's when they turn against you. So survival kicks in.

Genesis:

Yeah, but it's not like like, you know, like when people like, have gay reflex from somebody else puking next to them. Yeah, that's like, because back in the caveman days, they, you know, if you ate something you started puking, like it was important that the rest of the group threw up as well, because they kind of ate some poisonous that would get them all sick and die. So that's why we have that gag reflex when you see somebody else puking next to you, but like this, I don't know if I see how this is saving lives.

Sage:

It's not real it is. And it isn't. Because like I said, it's it's the whole you need to be a part of your tribe.

Genesis:

So be Solon. Like, the lemming effect is kind of good for us.

Sage:

It has to be something very primal. Because in those instances, you don't want to be the standout. Like look at look at the movie The mist.

Genesis:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sage:

Yeah. When they were in the fucking thing. The lady started talking about Jesus and everybody and got everybody on her side. Except for those three people. And what did they do? Start murdering them?

Genesis:

There is some some truth to being safety in being part of the group, right? Yeah. I get that. And you know, it's I just gotta say, it's nice to really have a conversation about a movie without being interrupted by never seen that.

Sage:

I'm pretty sure you can't even spill the mist

Genesis:

with an eye or a why I played the game. Part of it. I google the ending,

Sage:

though, when he was texting us all day today saying oh, so I'm watching EVO day might be came out at three. You just watched it. You send us a message like we're supposed to be happy for you like to lose Oh.

Genesis:

Okay, so I got the next one here. This one's 1997.

Sage:

On panic, wait, there was a panic?

Genesis:

Yeah, this one. I gotta look more into this because it sounds nuts. So December 16. My birthday in 97. There was an episode of Pokeyman that aired in Japan. during that episode, when a pika choose electric attacks, did a series of like flashing lights as it was like lightning and all that. And so within the episodes airing, over 600 children went into to the hospital with symptoms of epilepsy. So like seizures and all that stuff. What happened was, the news took hold of this situation, and then replayed it the sequence that caused even more kids to fall sick to this scene. And so they estimated that over 12,000 Kids got sick with symptoms of epilepsy.

Sage:

To be fair, though, I mean, being epileptic is one of those things you don't know when to you know, I'm not I guess that's kind of why they have all the warnings now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, those could have been 12,000 kids who just didn't know they were epileptic?

Genesis:

Well. So out of the 12,000 kids, it says only a relatively small number of the kids actually had genuine photosensitive epilepsy seizures. And that the great majority were victims of mass hysteria,

Sage:

but they all had legit documented seizures.

Genesis:

Like they had symptoms of epilepsy. So they had seizures, headaches, nausea, vomiting, like whole, like gamut of things.

Sage:

Maybe they just didn't want to go to school. They want to go and try to catch them all.

Genesis:

That, but I think like, because the first instance was it said, said over 600 children entered the hospital with seizures. So maybe that first group had actual but when the news aired it, that's when the the numbers skyrocketed. And they replayed the sequence and then kids, I don't know, maybe somehow, like, grasped on to the fact of how widespread it was.

Sage:

That's weird. I mean, don't get me wrong, even as an adult. There are like certain certain games or movies I watch where they start flashing and stuff a lot. And sometimes I'll feel a little bit uncomfortable. But then it passes. I mean, that's, I think that's just how it is.

Genesis:

I think so too, but I also like think that I like put it in my head like it's a placebo thing. Like I read it and then like I sometimes feel like I wouldn't have felt this way if I didn't get warned that it was going to happen,

Sage:

I guess. I guess I can see that? Because like, what was that? What's a Sonic Unleashed a came with a warning?

Genesis:

Pretty much all Xanax do

Sage:

I remember this one specifically, they were super worried about it. I think it was unleashed. I remember reading that. And I was like, I'm not sure if we're gonna play this. But I think because I mean, like, it's it's one of those things like you don't know until you know, and I don't, I'm not really trying to find out, right?

Genesis:

There's like those YouTube videos, too. There's like the ones that are like how to do lucid dreaming, like, and then there's like, the ones that like fall asleep instantly. To this. I'm like, I'm not watching either of these because, like, I don't want that to happen without like warning. Yeah.

Sage:

But yeah, that's, that's interesting. I might have to look into that, though. Just to see. I'm curious. I'm curious now, like, 1200 people, 1200 cases?

Genesis:

Yeah. And I mean, this is, like, Please, look further into each of these cases. Moreso than just the the headlines of what we're talking about here.

Sage:

Now, could it also be and alert? What I'm about to say could be construed as slightly racist.

Genesis:

Okay, fair warning.

Sage:

But could it be because Japanese, they have smaller their eyes open smaller than ours? So the light was more focused.

Genesis:

I mean, that sounds biologically logical. Maybe?

Sage:

I mean, it didn't have enough surface. It didn't have the surface area because it has a wider. Yeah. So it didn't have the same surface area, so they get more of a concentrated blast of it, then let's say we normally would,

Genesis:

right, and like what happened when that episode aired in any other country? Like, I don't know. I think it was years later that it came to America, right? Pokeyman

Sage:

Pokeyman was out here. 97. Okay. No, oh, 9898 97. Somewhere around there.

Genesis:

Well, there it could also be you have you ever heard of the 100th Monkey effect

Sage:

is pulling out to ask now, but

Genesis:

I'm not this is so the 100th Monkey effect is a case that supposedly shows evidence of the collective consciousness. And I'm sure you can understand what that means is that we are all collectively connected. In our consciousness. We are the Borg. We are the Borg. So the 100th Monkey effect is this study they did on these monkeys in Japan as well. And funny enough, guess what the island that these monkeys lived on was called

Sage:

feel like it's gonna be racist. So

Genesis:

why do you feel like it's just,

Sage:

I'm gonna go with the Island of Dr. Monroe.

Genesis:

It's not bad. Totally going a different route. But this was the island of Kojima.

Sage:

Oh my god.

Genesis:

No bullshit, the island of Kojima.

Sage:

And of course, he's not here right now. Right. There's an issue

Genesis:

so So what happened here on this island, so there was these monkeys, the scientists were studying. And what they did was, for other reasons, they were like, they were throwing them sweet potatoes. Just to feed them or whatever, do whatever they're doing. But what they noticed is, eventually I

Sage:

shouldn't say racist, Santa's more more racist.

Genesis:

It's only racist, because you're making it races,

Sage:

more and more racist will continue.

Genesis:

So what they did was, they were tossing them these these sweet potatoes and other foods and stuff. But they found that this one monkey ended up taking one of the sweet potatoes that are found in the sand, and it took it to the water. And it washed it off in the sand, right, and cleaned it off, cleaned off the sweet potato and ate it. And then what they noticed is that monkey started teaching all the other monkeys to do that as well. So this group of monkeys all started washing their sweet potatoes in the sand every time they they threw them the sweet potatoes. Now, here's where it gets crazy, is that they report that they started seeing monkeys. Not even on this island. Start doing the same thing out of nowhere, washing their sweet potatoes that they were Studying somewhere else. Study after a certain point, the 100th Monkey is when the clicks to the group consciousness. And it's the shared experience that is now through all of them.

Sage:

Yeah, no, I don't know, that makes absolutely no sense.

Genesis:

You don't think we have a collective consciousness that we could tap into?

Sage:

I mean, okay, maybe, maybe we could, because our brains are way more developed, but a monkey. Nine times out of 10 they go based on instinct. I'm pretty sure that the other monkeys on that island only listened to him because he was considered an alpha. So they saw him do something. So then they did it.

Genesis:

Yeah, that makes sense. They're monkeys. You do like he's talking about but for it to just start occurring.

Sage:

That's the that's the weird part. That's the weird part. I think. I think somebody in Japan just lying.

Genesis:

Could be that. This was this took place in the 50s Some people say that, you know, one of the monkeys swam, but the thing is, these monkeys don't know how to swim. But who knows? How the monkey built the boat. Monkey about Yeah. To teach the other monkeys to wash their food. Yeah.

Sage:

He's like, keeping this one in my back pocket. But this knowledge must get out.

Genesis:

We somehow missed the whole building of the boat part. Just saw the after.

Sage:

Didn't want them to know if they were too smart.

Genesis:

But wouldn't wouldn't group consciousness like, be kind of an explanation for what we're talking about? This whole entire episode? No. See that?

Sage:

That will make sense for all the monkeys on the island? For the monkeys outside of the island? That makes absolutely no sense.

Genesis:

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things that tried to debunk this, obviously. But it's kind of an interesting thing had if it were to be something plausible. And that we just can't study it beyond what we just observe. Because we don't know what the consciousness is. tuned into our consciousness what is consciousness episode? No. Wow.

Sage:

Can you finish the sentence without doing a plug?

Genesis:

You got to

Sage:

that's weird. But there's if monkeys can do it then why can't dolphins because dolphins are smart way smarter than monkeys. But who knows what dolphins do they mean they in the ocean? And as we know I'm terrified of the ocean apparently. So

Genesis:

well, with like the turtles in the ocean. Like they there's like this. The way they travel across the world like the sea turtles.

Sage:

Yeah, they traveled through like currents and shit, right? Yeah, but

Genesis:

we don't know how they like know to navigate these things.

Sage:

I think they just follow one person. Like, they have a collective conscious and only no conscious will be the word but like, just like a wolf pack. They they follow the leader. Yeah, he goes, that's where they go. How now how the leader found out that's the interesting part.

Genesis:

Well, it would be like, you know, that leader was once the baby of a group. Yeah, leader. But where does it start?

Sage:

Yeah, I'm saying it that starts somewhere. What turtles like you know what, this will be way easier.

Genesis:

Let's evolution right there. That's purely evolution, somehow somebody on accident? Maybe. I mean, it's the only way I could think of an accident. And then that's what takes over. Over time over time, you know,

Sage:

that makes way more sense. Then, whoever found out that we could drink cow milk.

Genesis:

purely accidental,

Sage:

that was a sick sick individual. was putting in a sane asylum. Shortly after that. Can you imagine that? You'd like to hear me out? But you did what?

Genesis:

I don't think it's that far of a leap though. Because you think we drink milk from another person's Teddy? So why not try and other animals Teddy?

Sage:

Why would that be your thought? I mean, that sounds it's rational. Some way now, but to be the first guy be like, You know what, I want to suck that cows. Like what?

Genesis:

I don't I feel like you're you're as a child or like, like, say you're the first guy that's like thinking through this. Like, okay, my my newborn is growing from this milk, his mother's producing, but it's only during this period of time. So how can we capitalize and like get some more that well, let's try this animal over here. That's always producing it.

Sage:

No. And that's another thing. How did they know that was producing it? Because they don't just do it. You got to go over there and actually, you know, like squeezed teats and to

Genesis:

well, maybe I don't know. Maybe they were raising cattle eating first somebody

Sage:

was over there trying to fuck a cow. That's what it was. That's what it had to be. That's what it had to be. There is no way just do was not trying to hit it on with this cow.

Genesis:

So not only was the fucking the cow, he also was like well let me just suck on your nipple.

Sage:

Yeah, I mean like no this is here. You won't care.

Genesis:

I nibbles. Wow, it was

Sage:

it was a disturbed individual.

Genesis:

Have you ever removed a cow sage?

Sage:

No, I've seen I've seen what's tons of videos on it.

Genesis:

I've done it. I would like to try it though.

Sage:

I'm not sure I want to try it.

Genesis:

But do you drink pure cow milk?

Sage:

I don't drink milk now. So I'm gonna go with no,

Genesis:

yeah, I don't want you there. Don't worry you and I will be like sitting on the little like the four post wooden stool. As we just grab a teat and I like playfully squirt one into your face. And

Sage:

you just made it way weird way we're nobodies? No,

Genesis:

no, that's not how, you know.

Sage:

Isn't that going down even a little bit?

Genesis:

We have different views of reality.

Sage:

Reality fiction? I mean,

Genesis:

can you just connect to my consciousness for once? And see things the way I do?

Sage:

And that's a scary scary place.

Genesis:

Yeah. I don't know. I could have been the first guy to discover calm okay. I don't know. You you

Sage:

think could have been just out there down bad one day, though little mark June don't want to get you know more. So you just looking at that cow? Like, yeah,

Genesis:

look at that. Look at that wrong. Got

Sage:

it gotta be good, right?

Genesis:

We go back to reality,

Sage:

this was reality. 2% happened.

Genesis:

So, okay, talking about the group effect a little bit more. And I was trying to think of some things that like I do that not are not not necessarily as important as like, getting pulled into politics or fashion or stuff. But some of the things that I do, I'm curious if you do these as well. And I'm hoping you'll be honest, in this, in that you said you don't give a fuck about anything. So you might as well be honest, right?

Sage:

What do you want to ask me?

Genesis:

So have you ever been in a situation where somebody is taking you? Let's just say to a restaurant that has food that you've never had before? And it's eaten in a certain way? Do you ever feel like that uncomfortable feeling and like not knowing what to do or how to eat or even how to order some things? And you kind of wait to see how others around you do that? Like, if you ever ate sushi, maybe,

Sage:

I guess I guess not in a restaurant setting. But I get what you're saying. I don't know if I've ever felt uncomfortable about it. Because I've maybe I've always been a frontline. Oh, yeah. I've never had that before. So yeah, my look like the first time I had African food. It's like one of my favorite things is Fufu. Uh huh. And it's Nigerian food. Where if I'm not African, but um, you have to eat it what your hands did know that. So yeah, I'm sitting at a restaurant, me and the guy who took me there. And they bring out a bowl with these towels. I'm like, What the fuck was to do with this? So he just started washing his hands and it was like, okay, so you wash your hands at the table. I didn't think none of it. So I'm washing my hands with it.

Genesis:

Just mimicking him. Now.

Sage:

I was just looking at it first, like okay, so I wash my hands didn't think anything about it. And food comes out and I'm noticing I'm gonna fork or anything. Then he just starts grabbing it. I'm like, that's what we do it. I'm like, All right. This seems unbelievably unsanitary. But I guess when in Rome. Was it good? Yes. Delicious.

Genesis:

What is foo foo?

Sage:

Foo Foo was a dough. But you eat that with what's the name of the fucking Oh, is

Genesis:

that where you grab it and you wrap it in like grabbing other fillings almost.

Sage:

You dip it into this, like the soup or whatever. I forget the name of the fucking soup. But it's very good.

Genesis:

Yeah, there's this Ethiopian restaurant near me that I've been wanting to try and I know it's it's I know you're supposed to eat it that way as well. But I feel like there There's lots of foods that I look up that I'm like how the fuck do you properly eat this thing because I don't know what to do. And even like, the first time eating at a Japanese restaurant even like the the what is it the miso soup? Yeah. Like how are you supposed to eat that? Like, okay, I'm just seeing people like pick up the entire cup and just slurp on it. And no spoon or nothing like that and like, oh shit. I don't want to embarrass myself.

Sage:

See, because I watch so much freaking anime. Like first time I ate sushi. It was pretty. It was like I knew how to eat. Yeah, but turn to come to find out. Apparently sushi. You're not supposed to be using chopsticks to finger food.

Genesis:

Oh, really? Yeah, I

Sage:

didn't know that. I mean, it makes sense.

Genesis:

But yeah, it just makes sense. I know. You're not supposed to bite it either. It's supposed to it's one. Yeah,

Sage:

yeah, just one bite. Strangely enough, we had this argument last week at work. Because we had what are they called? Tamales. Yeah. And some people eating tamales with a fork and knife. Other people were just buying it. And they're like, I've never ate it. Somebody just Biden. It was like, Well, it's a fucking finger food. It's like, oh, no, it's not. So then that brought up the whole argument. So of course, we had to bring in the Hispanics into the conversation. And they agree with us like it's a finger foods. Like, just like, like chicken wings. Like I know people who eat chicken wings with knife and fork and I want to stab him.

Genesis:

Yeah, that's that's a little ridiculous. But you've certainly you've shown me some tricks on eating chicken wings, though. Where you just you can eat a whole wing in one bite. Like holy shit. That's impressive. Like not the drums the flats, the flats? Yeah.

Sage:

So how to tell people on black without telling them on black?

Genesis:

I was I was just gonna say more so that you're savage that you should see this many flats

Sage:

not even my favorite. I like legs more what Trump's six more, but I effect.

Genesis:

Yeah. And it looks like you are in a post apocalyptic society feasting on Rick. The way you're down in that flat is just as brutal and he sucks marijuana the bones to like?

Sage:

It's delicious. First and foremost. And nothing wrong with a bone marrow in certain countries is considered a delicacy.

Genesis:

Yep, sure is. That pink shirt is on a sushi like platter.

Sage:

What's the specifics? No, no, no, no, no.

Genesis:

The thing that comes alongside the wasabi Oh, the

Sage:

ginger. Sure. Yes, Ginger's palate cleanser.

Genesis:

And what are you supposed to do with it?

Sage:

Like you suck on it and between switching types of sushi so you're not supposed to actually eat it now you just suck on it to clean your to cleanse your palate then you so you can taste the new sushi that you got.

Genesis:

And then do spit it out? Yeah,

Sage:

I mean, I guess you could eat it as mean it's just ginger but

Genesis:

that's mostly I mean appropriate to spit something out if you're at a table with people eating

Sage:

I mean, you're not gonna you're not sitting here hacking up a loogie you're sucking on it taking it out your mouth and putting it back on your plate it's not that serious of situation.

Genesis:

Yeah, I don't know I guess I get anxiety about or like eating with strangers in general or eating with like extended family or your significant others family and you're like trying to just fit in in some ways. So I don't know I often get anxiety like especially with foods or like just

Sage:

think you might just be stuck on like old etiquette types of like, you know, the whole you have your salad fork right before your soup spoon and yeah, no elbows on the table and all this other stuff. I'm like Aaron care we're here to eat. I'm not here. Not here to talk politics or anything we're to eat and leave. However I get down should not affect what you're doing.

Genesis:

But there's also like the better ways like eating like crawfish or whole shrimp. Let's say at a Cajun restaurant to like there's there's techniques to go about something that you might not know until you're unless you're with people that do it and you kind of have to you have to rely on the group mentality there unless you just flat out ask but sometimes it's hard to do.

Sage:

Now there's certain foods you have to like I definitely did not eat crab legs first. I mean, shrimp I don't care I just eat till I got time to sit here and eat Do I bullshit. I mean everything.

Genesis:

Well, I'm gonna nickname you. Dangerously anal. Was that same dangerous thing? Because that's your body's not digesting that shrimp tail that's coming out whole.

Sage:

I've been doing it for years. No problems.

Genesis:

Do you like swallow rocks to help grind it down to before you trim?

Sage:

No, no, I don't know, but my stomach is probably good. Because never I eat like cartilage and shade too.

Genesis:

Okay, yeah. So you definitely are swallowing rafts that help aid your digestion.

Sage:

Cartilage is delicious. I would try it. Some chicken. Little little white cap right apart, right? No,

Genesis:

I don't like that. Oh, the bone.

Sage:

Yeah, cartilage is delicious. No.

Genesis:

I like a lot of people don't eat the fat. I'm like steaks. Like that's the best part. That's the

Sage:

waste of a steak. That's where all your fucking flavor comes from.

Genesis:

flavor it especially when it's all melty to yum yum, yum, yum. Yummy.

Sage:

I think you need to actually go out and try legit bone marrow like you can order it offline. Oh, yeah, I

Genesis:

would try it. Yes.

Sage:

It's like butter.

Genesis:

Yeah, well, if there isn't, don't they make bone marrow butter?

Sage:

I don't know if they make bone marrow but Well, they probably do probably do

Genesis:

it because I thought I've seen some things where they Yeah, you spread it around like crackers and shit.

Sage:

Yeah, you can just get just go hand by the regular bone marrow. And it comes still in the fucking bone. But you get to like soak it in saltwater and stuff to get all the blood out for like a couple hours. Then once you do that, you just start some season on that shit and roast it until this like liquefy and just put that on some ptosis delicious

Genesis:

cheese. So how do you extract it from the bone? Just like a butter

Sage:

knife because it's become super soft like butter.

Genesis:

Oh, do you like you scrape it out from the bone?

Sage:

Yeah, cuz it's the bone is halved so it's already Oh, I

Genesis:

see. Okay. Interesting

Sage:

delicious.

Genesis:

Not playful,

Sage:

not delightful about saying that delightful, just delicious.

Genesis:

Ah, let's see what else I got here. I got some experience. Have you seen some of those experiments, those social experiments where they they fuck with people in in sort of the great mentality experiment number one they had they had a line of chairs and people were coming in for something other than what they were actually doing. But the first person in the chair every time a bell rang that person this person was in on the experiment. So every time the bell rang, this person was filling out paperwork or whatever would stand up when the bell rang and would continue filling out paperwork. The bell would ring again like two minutes later, they would sit back down. So this was like the setup for the experiment. Then they brought in people that were not in the experiment they would set the you know they would go down the line of chairs sit next to that person the bell would ring person would get up that would rain person will get down to the actual candidate may or may not join in but more and more people that would come in eventually. By like the fourth person. Now everybody's standing up and sitting. Every time this bell rings, wanting chairs filled with people.

Sage:

So you're telling me they Pavlov's dogs. A bunch of people explain that. The Pavlov's dog says where they every he trained dogs to he did an experiment where whenever he rang a bell the dog knew it was time to eat. And at first he didn't know but the more and more he did it then he just became you know, became second nature. So now all the other dogs around him also picked up on that and did it too.

Genesis:

Ah, so yeah, that's, that sounds like the monkey shit kind of right.

Sage:

Is Pavlov's dogs. Okay, they actually use that on real people.

Genesis:

Basically. Well, yeah. I mean, that's that's like positive reinforcement. You get a treat you do like after something then you can replicate it. I mean, that's how I trained Marley to do a lot of things was

Sage:

treating it like Schrodinger cat.

Genesis:

Is it alive? Or is it not?

Sage:

I hate the damn thing because I don't know what to answer and there's not one fucking sucks. That's the whole point behind it. Yeah, to just piss people off for ages.

Genesis:

Yeah. Well, it's an explanation, an explanation for multiverse theory to shorteners cats pretty dope.

Sage:

But that's like one of those is just an either one of those questions like, like, which came first the chicken or the egg? Like, you can look up tons of articles that that will defend either side.

Genesis:

I think with shorting read to like he wouldn't, that wasn't even his thing. Like he was trying to prove something else. And then came across this. And then scientists later came back and made this like, fundamental thing out of what his like research paper was. And he was just like, kind of like, well, what the fuck that was?

Sage:

Like, okay, but did you see what I was talking about over here. But we want to give you a word for this cool, cool, cool, but um, about this.

Genesis:

There was a another experiment, this was a, this was on Candid Camera, they did this. And so they had this is like this. This experiment grew a lot into the like social psychology of like group behavior or herd behavior. Because what they did was, they had a bunch of people in an elevator, but they were facing backwards. So like, when the doors open, all you see was a bunch of people's backs. And what they would do is they would have this elevator, you know, going in motion or whatever, with all these people in there backwards, right? And so like, the mark would come in, and see everybody's standing backwards. So what do you think the person would do? What would you do?

Sage:

One I wouldn't get on damn elevators. And that's, I want to get on an elevator. If this was an elevator that I knew. If this wasn't an elevator that I knew I would get on it, because they do have elevators that open on both sides. So maybe I would, that would be my other thought, like, oh, maybe this one opens on that side for the next one. So that's why everybody's looking at that way.

Genesis:

That's again, logical. So you would you would vie that the group knew what they were doing, and just proceed along the same way they were doing it.

Sage:

Once the door opened up, but I do what the fuck we are looking at. Like, I would have to say something. I'm not just about to get off to get off the elevator. Oh, normal, like, oh, fuck you.

Genesis:

Your independence, I think is less than the norm of humanity. So it's interesting how, how you are not pulled into the bandwagon effect of a lot of these things. And I think that's good, though. I think that is good. I mean, I've, I think I display a lot of group behavior tendencies and a lot of ways but there are some things that I stay away from because I'm cognizant of the bandwagon that's going on, especially with the social media stuff that we talked about, a lot of that I stay away from, or at least I don't fall into the trap as easily.

Sage:

Yeah. It's more so for me, and this is just for like, the social media aspect of it. I know me, so I know. I have a very addictive personality. So if I, if I get on something and I know it's, it's entertaining or it's good, or something that that I like I'm not gonna be able to stop. Like with tick tock like I refuse to put ticks back on my phone for ever. And I know this because when I had vine, I lost my life. Yeah, I was. Vine was a rabbit hole inside of another rabbit hole.

Genesis:

They have ads on Tik Tok. Now it's like stop scrolling. Go take a break. You know like the Nintendo games like yeah, take a break.

Sage:

Like I'll tell me how to live my life All right.

Genesis:

Are you still watching? Yeah, that

Sage:

was the most condescending and question Netflix has ever asked me in my entire life are you still watching yes bitch you know the shells have been stopped doing it making me feel like I need to go out and do something.

Genesis:

I just want to sit here and eat ice cream off my belly and watch this 30th episode of living abroad or whatever the fuck

Sage:

but it's funny you say that whole social experiment thing cuz I forget the name of the show thing was called like, what would you do or some sort of like that? But this um, I think was like CBS maybe ABC where they would purposely set up like these situations to where everybody be actors, whatever, and then would have unsuspecting like bystanders whatever, just come walking in. And some fucked up would happen in front of them. And then they wouldn't Want to gauge to see how that person reacts like when they jump in and do something with that person? Yeah.

Genesis:

Oh, those are so horrible too. Because like imagine being the person and you kind of do the wrong thing and you just going off of instinct. And I know everybody like, knows your reaction.

Sage:

Now we know you're a shitty person. Cool.

Genesis:

There's a really good one on Netflix called the push. Have you seen that? No, I haven't seen that. It's, it's hosted by I think his name was Darren Brown. He's a well known like magician, hypnotist. He's got really dope, like standup specials, because he doesn't do it in a way that he's like, pretending that he's met like a magical person. Well, like, no, but like, he's not like, given you the feeling that he has powers. Your wizard Harry, your wizard, Harry, you're a Harry wizard. So like, he'll tell you that this, like, he'll explain to you why this thing is happening to like, either some psychological manner or whatever. But this this documentary, The push, they built out, it's basically what you're talking about with this other show. But it was centered around this one idea. Can they get somebody to commit murder by the end of this setup? What? Yeah, yeah, it's fucking crazy. So they do this whole setup, where somebody's helping out for this charity event. And somebody dies of like a heart attack. But then they make him like, like, either, like hide the body in the meantime, because they need this charity event to go well. And by the end like they, what it's centered around is the push is because through all this journey, they end up on the roof of this building, the guy never died, he's standing at the edge of the, the, the edge of the rooftop. And everybody around this, the mark is in there, like you got to, we got to kill this guy because of all the things that have happened. And they try to see if they can get a mark to push the guy off of the building. And I won't reveal what happens. But the results are pretty fucked up.

Sage:

See that? That's a dangerous game to play. Yeah. Because you don't know what's going on in that person's life. They could already be on the edge.

Genesis:

Well, it's well, yeah, and I definitely watch it. Definitely watch it.

Sage:

Now, have you heard about the warrior gene?

Genesis:

Hmm, that sounds familiar, actually. But explain.

Sage:

It's they haven't done any, like controlled experiments on it. But the original paper was that this gene, like people who have this gene, are more prone to violent activity. Okay. Like they did a small little subsets subsection of a test. And I forget what the full name of it is called. But the nickname of it is the warrior gene. Look it up, you'll see what I'm talking about. Like, it's pretty fascinating to see like, it's in our DNA to be more aggressive. And isn't that just not nothing you can do about it?

Genesis:

That's, that's kind of scary to think about. Well, I mean, like genes in general to like, just shit that's built into our DNA. That can be like, triggered by environmental factors, societal factors, everything. I mean, this warrior gene like, what? What causes that to go into action? You just road rage? Like, is that triggered from the scene? You know,

Sage:

I mean, war Wait, road rage? Could 100% be a trigger, like you see people just go and shoot somebody because of road rage, I might just just drive past them. Like, you've not to ruin your entire life. Because somebody cuts you off on a highway. It's not that serious.

Genesis:

That that exists. You know, like, how are we ever supposed to like, really evolve as a species, you know, with that shit lingering in us, with mass hysteria lingering in us?

Sage:

Well, I think that that, that that gene is a part of evolution, because we needed it back in the day to survive.

Genesis:

Sure, but like, that wouldn't naturally. There's no natural thing that would remove that from our genetics.

Sage:

No, it would just it would just die out generation after generation slowly.

Genesis:

I don't know. Usually it's it dies out when the species dies out containing that things. So like, when you think of like evolution, the things that stay is because that thing survived and the other thing that wasn't working or part of that species died off, usually some form of mutation branches that now carries the species forward and the other traits stay behind. But there's nothing that's going to stop our genetics from saying like, Oh, we don't need that. Making it. Are you

Sage:

sure? Because I swear, isn't there like more and more people that are being born? Where their pinky toe doesn't have that joint?

Genesis:

Well, yeah, yeah. From mutations. So like, we can still survive with that. And then that person breeds.

Sage:

Yeah, but I mean, a mutation is nothing that evolution that we haven't accepted yet.

Genesis:

Yeah. But I don't see like something like a warrior gene. At least it would take a long time, I would say, or to just get rid.

Sage:

Oh, yeah. In our society, yeah. Because everybody wants to fight over the small shit.

Genesis:

So yeah, but like things like us losing hair on our bodies and things like that. I think we'll, we'll probably be hairless eventually.

Sage:

Yeah, there's no real reason to have pubic hair anymore. Because the whole The whole reason was to help keep our bodies warm when it was cold. But you know,

Genesis:

we got I think the pubic hair contained a lot of pheromones. We get goose

Sage:

downs now. thermal underwear, we got he we're good. We're good.

Genesis:

Like, what's the point of an eyebrow? Like? Nothing,

Sage:

so your face doesn't look weird.

Genesis:

So we're keeping that one around

Sage:

that one? That one needs to stay? Yeah. And also if you don't have eyebrows, how do I how am I supposed to know exactly what emotion you have right now?

Genesis:

We're just gonna paint them on.

Sage:

So everybody can just look surprised all the time.

Genesis:

Yeah. Oh, what if you'd like we had like somehow like the you know that Rorschach from Watchmen. But like it was built into our skin and we could just have like emoji faces whenever we wanted.

Sage:

So you've been smoking weed

Genesis:

your your comments just took my brain there. Well walk

Sage:

around with fucking emoji face What the hell? That would be the creepiest shit.

Genesis:

Again, it's shortcuts. That's why our language is changing to the short form. We're taking opportunities to shortcut everything to make you know something where we can progress by making things efficient. Things that we don't need our brain to really calculate. So we take all these shortcuts so we can progress forward.

Sage:

And yet people still like to camp.

Genesis:

Tell him to camp. It's fun.

Sage:

But that goes against everything. You just said. We're more efficient now. Yeah, but there's no we have no need for it anymore.

Genesis:

Well, the need is just joy.

Sage:

Right? No, no joy. No joy in sitting outside, having to poop outside and get a shovel and bury my own poop. getting crowded on by bugs and shake out to build

Genesis:

a fire to stay warm. Drinking milk straight from the cow.

Sage:

We got we got electricity. I don't pay X amount of money for my house to go to sleep outside.

Genesis:

I don't know I enjoy camping.

Sage:

I do not. Which is why you would never see me on episode when animals attack.

Genesis:

I mean, you could be right though. Because like it's been so long since I camped and the idea of camping is only thing that sounds fun. But like my old Dad's going out there now and being cold and like not having electric and no

Sage:

electric. If your phone dies, you're hooked. Right? Like so my phone said. What are you gonna do tell ghost stories?

Genesis:

Then somehow some mass hysteria comes in our group.

Sage:

You only got music? Because then that dies. So you literally sit unless you got the one guy with the fucking guitar because you always one. There's always one.

Genesis:

Always the one. Didn't you want to learn guitar?

Sage:

I still do. But I hate the guy who shows up to the party with the guitar. You're that guy?

Genesis:

You're potentially going to be that guy.

Sage:

No, I would never be that guy. That guy. Like, why are you here? Just go somewhere. We got music.

Genesis:

I got a ukulele sitting on my Amazon wishlist right now. But I want to learn how to play. And I feel like that's that's not a guy you ever want to be either?

Sage:

I mean, maybe if you're Hawaii

Genesis:

it's just kind of really nice, soft sound to it.

Sage:

Yeah, you know, who else likes nice soft sounds animals? So we're in the middle of fucking

Genesis:

you you just bring a bear.

Sage:

He's gonna be like, What the fuck is that? Does that mean I smell?

Genesis:

Take sage first?

Sage:

No, because yeah, take me first he will have to get on a plane and figure out my address knock on my door. Hope I answer because I ain't gonna be an image.

Genesis:

Well, I've got one last thing on the subject that I wanted to show or actually play for you Uh, more so than anything, I got a YouTube clip here this TED talks, it's very short. But it's describes the ideas like how to start a movement. And it talks about, like, the importance of, or where the roles of leadership kind of plays into it. And I think this, this is high Marley. This plays into mentality thinking and like, kind of dissecting how, how the roles in the in the group mentality plays. And it's kind of funny because it's just about a guy dancing at a concert. So I'll kind of describe what's going on in the video as you listen

Sage:

to it. I love watching people dance. It's quite interesting. Yeah, and this

Genesis:

guy is pretty bad. So you can see what's going on afterwards.

Unknown:

Ladies and gentlemen, at TED, we talk a lot about leadership and how to make a movement. So let's watch a movement happened start to finish in under three minutes and dissect some lessons from it. First, of course, you know, a leader needs the guts. So it's

Genesis:

just a lone guy right now he will dancing by himself.

Unknown:

But what he's doing is so easy to follow. So here's his first follower with a crucial role. He's going to show everyone else how to follow.

Genesis:

So stop right there. So second guy runs up to the first guy in this in this hill, dancing, he starts dancing with them. And you notice the guy giving the speech right now, he calls him the first follower.

Unknown:

Now notice that leader in first follower with a crucial role, he's going to show everyone else how to follow. Now notice that the leader embraces him as an equal. So now it's not about the leader anymore. It's about them plural. There he is calling to his friends. Now, if you notice that the first follower is actually an underestimated form of leadership in itself, takes guts to stand out like that. The first follower is what transforms a lone nut into a leader.

Genesis:

See, that's a pretty cool statement right there. I think that makes sense a lot in a lot of ways.

Sage:

I mean, it does make sense. It's a scary thought. But yes, it makes sense. totally scary. Think about how like going back to Hitler, Ali came into power. Somebody has to be the first one.

Genesis:

Right? Exactly. So it's not necessarily the leader. That's important. I think it's more so that first follower, who plays the pivotal role in starting some sort of collective

Sage:

is very crucial. They have to be dumb enough to listen to you. But not, but not dumb enough for other people to listen to not listen to them.

Genesis:

Exactly.

Unknown:

First font leadership in itself takes guts to stand out like that. The first follower is what transforms a lone nut into a leader. And here comes a second follower. Now it's not alone, not It's not two nuts. Three is a crowd and must be public. It's important to show not just the leader, but the followers because you find that new followers emulate the followers, not the leader. Now here come to more people. And immediately after three more people, now we've got momentum, this is the tipping point. Now we've got a movement,

Genesis:

a whole crowd of people just dancing, notice,

Unknown:

people join in, it's less risky. So those that were sitting on the fence before now have no reason not to, they won't stand out. They won't be ridiculed, but they will be part of the in crowd if they hurry. So

Genesis:

there's like tons of people running to be a part of all of

Unknown:

the verb to stick with the crowd, because eventually they would be ridiculed for not joining in. And that's how you make a movement. But let's recap some lessons from this. So

Sage:

would that be? That'd be FOMO, though.

Genesis:

It is part? Yeah, yeah. Like the tipping point is where FOMO comes in. So not at the start, but like once you once there's a threshold, a certain tipping point, then FOMO kicks in, then you're watching this and now you're having the fear of missing out, which also I think we didn't really talk about FOMO a lot. But I think that is a huge role in the in the group thinking

Unknown:

like the shirtless dancing guy, that alone. Remember the importance of nurturing your first few followers as equals. So it's clearly about the movement, not you. Okay, but we might have missed the real lesson here. The biggest lesson, if you noticed, did you catch it is that leadership is over glorified. That yes, it was the shirtless guy was first and he'll get all the credit. But it was really the first follower that transformed the lone nut into a leader. So as we're told that we should all be leaders, that would be really ineffective. If you really care about starting a movement, have the courage to follow and to show others how to follow, and when you find a lone nut doing something great. have the guts to be the first one to stand up and join in. And what a perfect place to do that. Ted, thanks. Do you buy it?

Sage:

I mean, it makes sense. It makes a whole lot of sense. Because nobody Yeah, I mean, if he just dancing there by itself, everybody's gonna think he's crazy. Until somebody joins them. And then that person can talk to other people to join him. Yeah, I mean, it's like a domino effect.

Genesis:

Yeah, exactly. But it's most important to be that first follower.

Sage:

I think I might need to see that video.

Genesis:

I'll send you the link to it. I'll put that link in the show notes there. Yeah, I don't know. I've always been intrigued by that specific TED Talk. I've watched a lot of times just because it's kind of fascinating and then you can see how that forms across the board in so many different situations called cults. You know, like how do how does you think about like how does a cult actually form and this is another episode I really want to dive deep into in the in the cults but like some of these cults are fucking nuts. How did they get so many people to follow in line with some of these things and you can kind of see it, you know, boiled down to what we just watched there

Sage:

may like Christianity to some to so

Genesis:

well, that's definitely one of the questions. What's the difference between a cult and religion? Nothing. I guess the outcome.

Sage:

I mean, if coats will most coats are profitable, I was gonna say it, they're profitable, but But yeah, that's, I mean, I never thought about like, yeah, like the first follower is technically is the most important person. I mean, it makes a whole lot of sense that you need somebody to validate you.

Genesis:

Right? Exactly. There's like it's like a step by step process but like literally the fundamentals of like getting a group going which I mean, whether you use that for I mean, we see that in a positive way or negatively in a lot of things you know,

Sage:

look at Case in point look at all the all the hate for Nickelback.

Genesis:

Yeah, exactly. That's a perfect example

Sage:

which is unwarranted pisses me off.

Genesis:

I guaranteed if you went on the streets right now and like polled 100 People just stop them Billy on the Street Style ask them what do you think about Nickelback? I think majority of people would say they hate it and Nickelback trash

Sage:

see and people say that but they have multiple number ones multiple awards. somebody's listening to this shit

Genesis:

Yeah, I mean it's that back its back the the answers usually I mean, I would say I don't know this for a fact but like it seems like just because the notion is that it's popular to say Nickelback is trash

Sage:

you have these elitist who just want to be want it to be better like Oh, well that's not really rock music. That's more pop but if you go back and look when rock music first getting started off it was considered pop music second that bitch right. Yeah, no, even then, because I was literally looking this up the other day because I was cleaning up my kitchen jamming out some Nickelback like, No, fuck this. I want to hear rock star.

Genesis:

I want to be a rock star. So it was like a fire.

Sage:

So I'm sitting there looking at look into it. I'm like, Yeah, Rock was considered pop music. I forget when I can't spell consider right now. Was it up right? No, not pop rock, actual rock. Oh, during the 1950s and 60s, pop music encompass Rock, rock and roll and youth oriented style influence. Rock and Pop music remain roughly synonymous. Yeah, and

Genesis:

I think that's it's when Elvis Presley came on board that he coined the term rock and roll and that's where you seen more edgier form being taken? Because before it was like, I don't know what groups were was it like the Beatles? Was that around then?

Sage:

Yeah. Beatles, Beatles about 60s. They're in the 60s. Yeah, that makes sense. I got some

Genesis:

50s try, but like the shit you heard at the milkshake? stands, you know, like the Bob.

Sage:

Yeah, like the Beach Boys and shit like that. Yeah. So happy we weren't alive back then.

Genesis:

Oh, no, it might be fun to visit it for you. Yeah. Yeah.

Sage:

That'd be fun for me. Be cool.

Genesis:

I'm sorry. You can't time travel. wasn't me

Sage:

with my mouth. I wouldn't make it a day now. He's like up again. Locked up will be the least of my worries

Genesis:

what to transition away from that? What would pineapple on pizza fall into the same category as Nickelback?

Sage:

No it's just discus pineapple just does not belong on pizza.

Genesis:

Oh are you saying that not a taste or because you're opposing the group mentality

Sage:

just does not belong on pizza.

Genesis:

I think it's rather delightful on there.

Sage:

And you're weird person. We you go go find an Italian and an Italian from Italy and eczema pineapple belongs on pizza and they really like know what the fuck you doing?

Genesis:

Pizza has evolved long from its roots to where we don't need the experts of original pizza.

Sage:

But we but here's think we can ask them because they actually are still here. Yeah, culture created the shit. Question. Do we need it on here? No. Cool.

Genesis:

Got a taste good. So not for me. Not for me.

Sage:

And I eat a lot of weird shit on pizza, but not for me.

Genesis:

And they might disagree with those choices too, then,

Sage:

and I'm pretty sure they could. That being said, obviously I need it.

Genesis:

But again, there's it because you don't like the taste of it. Or you think it just doesn't belong on there.

Sage:

I don't I don't like sweet with my pizza. Like it's everything about a pizza savory. Why the hell am I in sweet? And if you if you'd like pineapple and pizza Summit, really? Take some pineapple dip it in some fucking marinara sauce and tell me that's delicious.

Genesis:

You're missing out on the dough and you know the other?

Sage:

No, I'm okay.

Genesis:

Don't try to break down man. It's okay, if you don't like it. I just think the the popularization of that question alone. seems similar. And I don't I think I think in a lot of cases people would choose aside based on whatever the popular answer is in their group setting or they're taken in opposition to that to just be opposing to something.

Sage:

On other things, yes, people pretty pretty people are pretty firm when it comes to food. The lines are clear and drawn.

Genesis:

I just I don't think we'll ever know the answer because nobody will be honest.

Sage:

Like yet the people who swear by dipping their their fries in the windy frosty.

Genesis:

That's fire. I like that.

Sage:

Yeah, that's that's sweet. Salty. That sweet and salty. Salty. Yeah. See what that's an actual profile. That's a full profile. I'm okay with that. I don't like to do it. But I get it.

Genesis:

That's the same thing. You just describe what pineapple on pizza.

Sage:

No, no, that's sweet and savory. Those two different things. Wow. Okay.

Genesis:

What about barbecue sauces, then?

Sage:

I don't like sauce on any of my foods. Well, there's

Genesis:

a lot of the barbecue sauces are sweet and savory.

Sage:

Now not really. Namely. I don't know. Exactly.

Genesis:

Savory ones. Exactly. Theory.

Sage:

I think barbecue sauce as a whole

Genesis:

is a joke. I wouldn't go that far. I mean, I'm not a huge fan of barbecue sauces. But what do you mean it's a joke?

Sage:

Because I feel like if you're gonna use barbecue sauce let's say just let's just say ribs for instance. Why even why even season your ribs or do any of that stuff if you're just gonna smother it in fucking barbecue sauce. Because all you're gonna taste his fucking barbecue sauce. Like Mike looks from when somebody takes all that time to prep this meat seasoning like maybe inject it do whatever they want to do then smoke it or grilling to have it I'm going to do it just for you just turn around and dump a fuck ton of fucking like lorries or something on here. And like why did I just waste all that time I could have just made it plain you could just put this on it.

Genesis:

Typically what you do on specifically ribs or I guess any meat chicken or whatever that you're putting barbecue sauce on that you're not also doubling down on what the other style which would be dry rubs?

Sage:

No people do people will do drop like what steaks people do all that prep for steak and then we'll smother and a one

Genesis:

that's a different story. And I'm like what the fuck that was another thing I did. Probably would strengthen my my anxiety when eating foods in front of strangers when I would go out to these work lunches. from vendors that would would take me on I remember ordered a steak and this was like the first one I did. And I they bought me like it was like a $40 Fucking filet. And I asked for Ace and I got the fucking hardest looks and I was like, okay, never doing that again. Yeah, no,

Sage:

that's a waste of me. I just I just paid it's like getting wagyu if you if I ever seen anybody put a one on laghu it was Wagar we gotta we gotta fight. We got to fight writing in there.

Genesis:

Yeah, never again. I was young dumb. Didn't know what I was doing.

Sage:

He would put a one.

Genesis:

Yeah, I don't do it now though. I realized I realized my mistakes. Mistakes get in snakes.

Sage:

I see what you did there. Yeah. But at the same argument like my sister because my sister only eats her steaks. Well done. And I'm like, You're destroying this. You're not tasting anything? Yeah, like how the flavor is gone.

Genesis:

I won't go as Bloody as you go. But I do like I do like pink in the middle. So I'll do I'll do

Sage:

I don't go blue. Blue is probably blue. They're on a different level. Yeah, that's it just seems wrong. Yeah, they you literally just kiss the kiss the grill on both sides of the steak. And was like, Here you go.

Genesis:

Like, it's not even easy to eat though. It's so chewy. Like I ate it on accident. When I've undercooked some, like undercooked my own steaks at home.

Sage:

Do I used to work with this girl who would go to the store on our lunch breaks? Bad ground beef and we'll just eat it out the fucking pack? No, I was like, Are you fucking kidding me?

Genesis:

That sounds like she had one of those. Is the food eating disorder purely like fucking metal and cotton balls and shit.

Sage:

Oh, she said that's how she does it. Like in her. When she eats steaks. They have to be rare, rare. And I was like, What the fuck like, and she was skinny as shit too. So I'm like, something's wrong with you. You got some mental issues. But this same girl also didn't believe in dinosaurs, but believed in love at first sight. Yeah, I was like, You need to explain this. Like dinosaurs. It's just a conspiracy. It's like, there's, there's there's proof. Everywhere. Else you talking about?

Genesis:

We got to talk about that on the flat earth. Because that people believe that. That's not just like a lone, crazy person thinking that that's there's like video series on YouTube, trying to dispel the conspiracy of dinosaurs existence. And religious religions. A lot of religions. They will say that, that that they don't exist either. And that that's not part of it. Because it wasn't in the Bible.

Sage:

Yeah, don't get me started down that rabbit hole.

Genesis:

Was there anything else you want to talk about? or would like to bring up as far as the lemming effect?

Sage:

I guess the only the most modern and prevalent living effect right now. That is why would have to be Apple or Android.

Genesis:

Okay,

Sage:

because you got with your Apple person, your diehard fucking Apple person. And you don't know why. It was like, Oh, it's just better. Why is it better? I can't explain. But then in the same can go for Samsung because I'm an Android person. Like, same go for us. It was like, Oh, well, fuck apples. But I mean, I can kind of explain why I don't like apples. But for the sake of argument, I won't.

Genesis:

We know that you're not generally. What is it to subtable except the

Sage:

Decepticon No,

Genesis:

to this sort of group mentality phenomenon. But again, I think we can we can talk about Android versus Apple in the same way. We broke down some of these things. It's a complex thing that our brain is shortcutting to side with those that are around us who are using the same product even and who are getting told by the others that are in the same group, that it's the right thing to do so they become extreme in their opinions.

Sage:

product. They do come extreme because then you have all these these Apple fanboys because that's what I'm gonna call them who sit there and they will like if you text somebody, and it doesn't show it whatever that Apple Color is. They'd be like, Oh, I didn't know you were poor. Or like what the fuck My phone costs more than yours, if anything.

Genesis:

They're all expensive. Let's just

Sage:

remember my old roommate. I won't say his name because I just sent him the link to the pot. So he might hear this. You might hear this but my roommate I remember when we were living together, he met some girl got her number sent her a text, she found out that he had an Android she stopped texting.

Genesis:

What the fuck was make any difference in who you are romantic lives?

Sage:

It blew my mind. I was like, that's the reason?

Genesis:

Or was it that he just was saying that that was the reason because he didn't want to reveal that it's really something else.

Sage:

No, no, no, he, me and him talked about everything. So if it was something else, if there was something else he would have told me to do? Because I think it was I think he 100% told me because he was just more in shock. Like, what?

Genesis:

Yeah, that's fucking weird. Why would you what would just doesn't make any sense to me?

Sage:

Do people make their opinions and they're very strong opinions?

Genesis:

And it's weird that those opinions like start you based other decisions that have nothing to do with that opinion solely based around? If that person can belong in your circle with the same opinions? And that's, that's gonna probably gonna fuck us as a society.

Sage:

No, I don't think you will. I mean, we've we've learned to navigate it this long. I'm pretty sure we'll keep learning especially now with the younger generation. Like therapy. They're becoming more accepting, like every generation is becoming more accepting of other people's choices every year, like, when when our parents were kids. interracial couples were not accepted at all. Yeah, our generation interracial cable couples are accepted. There's a little bit blowback is a little bit but nowhere near what it was before. Now, it's the fucking nor no mean things, just costly progress like that, you know?

Genesis:

Yeah. But it's almost like I don't know the way I'm like thinking about it. It's, it seems like it's harder to be independent in society today. Because you can get out casted for far less than you would say, you know, in the past,

Sage:

see, I would say is harder today. For the simple fact you have 50 Different things being thrown at you telling you what you should like, or how you should be at any given second.

Genesis:

So that means that seems like it's almost impossible for us to really do any sort of organic growth.

Sage:

That's why you gotta wait for those outliers who just want to be their their own drum. Yeah.

Genesis:

Be their first follower.

Sage:

I mean, they, like look at Elon Musk outlier. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you just got to do what you want, can't get caught up in what other people think about it, or how other people view. Like, if you want to give it a shot, give it a shot. At the end of the day. You can least say that you try even if you fail.

Genesis:

So that's a good way to end the episode those how, as somebody who has clearly avoided group mentality lemming effect, how does one avoid it? And should they?

Sage:

Um, it's really up to you. That is me. I just don't give a fuck about enough things to do it. Like, it's honestly most of it is probably I'm just too selfish to care. So

Genesis:

where's the wisdom? Y'all

Sage:

be too selfish?

Genesis:

I think I think we should do

Sage:

you fuck everybody else. And you'll always stay on your path.

Genesis:

I think no matter what, even if you do that you'll have you'll have a first follower that can set off a group movement.

Sage:

And then what's with that group gets big enough, say fuck off and then go do something else.

Genesis:

And then switch it up.

Sage:

marched to the beat of your own drum, or xylophone or whatever the fuck it is, you know,

Genesis:

until it becomes everybody's drum or beer, and then switch drums or switch instruments.

Sage:

Yeah, cuz at that point, you're gonna want to anyway naturally because it started as let's say, you started as a boy, by the time everybody's on board, it's now it's now like xx or something like it's completely derivative form of whatever you had originally started. So why would you want to do it anymore? Right probably you probably will. Wouldn't so just say fucking wash your hands? Have it go to someone else with body wash and a loofa Yes, a loofa has been around for over 20 something years.

Genesis:

You see I don't jump on any bandwagon clearly. I'm not a part of the blue free movement until I

Sage:

don't know how you just pass on that your entire life, whatever that is, and just can't move.

Genesis:

Because there's no clear those things don't have directions on them. So like, I don't know how to use it. I'm gonna just err on the side of caution

Sage:

you kind of don't need direction. It's kind of one of those you can figure it out on your own.

Genesis:

I'm still figuring it out. I still haven't struggled doesn't tell you how much you put down there. It should have it should have an instruction and how much body was put on the damn loofa

Sage:

you know what it doesn't have an instruction because body wash is so cheap. They don't give a shit.

Genesis:

I don't know that Old Spice one wasn't cheap.

Sage:

You can go buy a gallon of shit

Genesis:

for yeah like 50 bucks. No.

Sage:

Where are you buying stuff you buy? You need stop shopping online just go into a store

Genesis:

that must be getting over marked or overpriced marked up. So with that, I think we can call it there. Thanks everybody for tuning in to another episode a riskless episode of The Haven exchange podcast. Let us know if we should do more of these without break. We'll slowly phase them out of the group.

Sage:

We'll be starting a GoFundMe page for Rick's anus

Genesis:

yes yes if you want to support that head on over to haven patreon.com/haven exchange all proceeds I promise will go to his dangerous anus

Sage:

for $1 day you can protect his aims from the dangerous vegetables out there that he feels the need to play with.

Genesis:

Yeah, I don't know why he feels that need he fills a need

Sage:

and he also wants to get the turbo fixed on his birthday Yep, so so there's that T

Genesis:

burned out the motor damnit violent you play on my turbo the day again?

Sage:

Oh my god that just put a very bogus picture in my drain.

Genesis:

clean that out. I guess somebody was here's the mind wash well, yeah, it was that joke. He said it's P Diddy right and get Him to the Greek. He's like I hope you like I like the way you think or something. He's like I hope you're gonna kind of because I got a dirty mind or something like

Sage:

so he says so much fucked up shit. Like mine Fuck yeah.

Genesis:

Yeah, something like that. You were in a kind of second dirty mine. Oh my god. All right, you're ready. Later days. See you next week for a brand new episode for all the shenanigans brand new topic all that good stuff. We love you Good I

Sage:

really to fade away.

Genesis:

You get away if you're not fading away with me.

Sage:

It wasn't a real we didn't we didn't rehearse this beforehand.

Genesis:

We tried again. Good night.

Sage:

Yeah, was it good? Music Good. This is the Haven exchange.