Your Pharmacy Career Podcast
The “Your Pharmacy Career” Podcast will feature a leader from the profession, discussing their career and sharing their experiences and learnings.
Hosted by Pharmacist, Krysti-Lee Patterson, get ready to be inspired, informed, and empowered as Krysti-Lee shares her wisdom, experiences, and interviews some of the brightest minds in the field. Whether you're a seasoned professional, a budding pharmacist, or just curious about the diverse opportunities in pharmacy, "Your Pharmacy Career" is your go-to podcast.
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Your Pharmacy Career Podcast
Brooke Shelly - General Practice Pharmacist (GPP) | Consultant/Credentialed Pharmacist for HMR | Senior Clinical Pharmacist at Beyond Pain
Brooke Shelly is one of the few pharmacists across the country working in General Practice as a General Practice Pharmacist (GPP), she was one of the first to hold this role in Victoria. Currently, Brooke enjoys a portfolio career, working as a GP Pharmacist consulting at Ontario Medical Clinic, Consultant/Credentialed Pharmacist delivering Home Medicine Review (HMR) services, and her role as a Senior Clinical Pharmacist at Beyond Pain.
Brooke regularly acts as pharmacist lead for the Murray PHN on their clinical working group teams and has contributed to various Health Pathways as Subject Matter Expert. She has also facilitated and participated in many government round table events representing rural pharmacy at both State and Federal levels. She has recently commenced her first term on the PSA Victorian Branch Committee and the Board of the Pharmaceutical Society Victoria.
Brooke Shelly is a thought leader and conversation starter. She champions the cause to see diversification of the traditional pharmacist role for our next generation of pharmacists, in particular advocating for innovative models of care for pharmacists delivering primary health care to the 30% of Australians who live in regional, rural and remote Australia.
She graduated with a B.Pharm in 2009 from La Trobe University in Bendigo and in her final year of study was awarded the Pharmacy Student of the Year for Victoria. Most recently she was a Finalist in the Rural Workforce Agency Victoria (RWAV) Awards for Outstanding Contribution to Allied Health.
Brooke holds a Graduate Diploma of Management, HMMR/RMMR credentialing and Certificate IV in Training and Assessment, she is also a Pharmacist Immuniser.
Over the past 4 years, Brooke has been privileged to play her role as the medication expert at Ontario Medical Clinic as their GP Pharmacist. There she is involved in pre-consultations with patients, reviewing patients history, pathology and collaborating with the patients GP to achieve medication optimisation. She assists in the training of the GP registrars, nurses and in the clinical placements of medical students in the chronic disease management space and enjoys overseeing the PIP QI program. Brooke never misses an opportunity to teach the next generation of healthcare professionals about the benefits of inter-professional collaboration and the integration of allied health into Primary Care as part of multidisciplinary teams.
You can find Brooke Shelly on LinkedIn.
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Welcome to Your Pharmacy Career podcast
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proudly brought to you by Raven's
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the podcast series is being created to
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shine a light on the diverse and
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inspiring careers of Australia's
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pharmacists each episode will focus on
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the varied career opportunities within
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the pharmacy industry by exploring the
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career paths taken by leaders in the
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fields of Community Pharmacy Hospital
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industry government and professional
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organizations careers never follow a
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pharmacist is now the founder of of
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global Pharmacy entrepreneurs and a
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passionate advocate for pharmacist to
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grow innovate Excel and make a lasting
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impact in the world it's now over to our
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host Ali
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Sue welcome to another episode of your
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Pharmacy career podcast the ultimate
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resource for aspiring and early career
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pharmacists I'm your host Ali Sue and
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I'm here to guide you through the
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dynamic world of Pharmacy one episode at
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the
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time before we dive into today's
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exciting discussion Raven's Your
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Pharmacy Career podcast would like to
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acknowledge and pay respect to the
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traditional custodians of Australia
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their profound connections to the land
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sea and Community as well as their
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Elders both past and present we extend
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this respect to all Aboriginal and
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torist straight Islander peoples
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today on today's episode I'm thrilled to
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introduce you to Brooke Shelly a
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pioneering general practice pharmacist
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from
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Victoria with a diverse career portfolio
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Brooke service as a GP pharmacist at
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Ontario medical clinic a consultant
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credential pharmacist specializing a
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home medication review and a senior
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clinical pharmacist at Beyond Pain Brooke
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actively contributes to the Healthcare
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Community as a pharmacist lead for the
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muray primary Health Network clinical
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working group teams she also lends her
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expertise as a subject matter expert to
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health Pathways and represents rural
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pharmacy at government Roundtable
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events additionally Brooke holds
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positions on the PSA Victorian branch
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committee and the board of the
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pharmaceutical Society Victoria her
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unwavering commitment lies in advocating
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for the diversification of the
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traditional f pharmacist role
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particularly in delivering Primary
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Health Care to the 30% of Australians
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residing in Regional Rural and remote
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areas Brooke's Journey began with her
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graduation from La Trobe University in 2009
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where she received the prestigious
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Pharmacy Student of the Year award for
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Victoria since then she has continued to
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Excel and new recognition as a finalist
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in the rural Workforce agency Victoria
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awards for outstanding contribution to
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allight health over the past four years
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Brooke has played a pivotal role at
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Ontario medical clinic leveraging her
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medication expertise to optimize patient
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care her responsibilities include
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collaborating with GPS conducting pre-c
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consultations reviewing medical history
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and pathology and streamlining
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medication regiments
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Brook's dedication to education is
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evident as she actively participating in
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training GP regist nurses and medical
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students in the field of chronic disease
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management she is a passionate advocate
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for interprofessional collaboration and
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the integration of iight health
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professionals into Primary Care settings
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nurturing and guiding the next
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generation of healthcare
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professionals get ready to be inspired
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as we delve into a captivating
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conversation with Brooke a Trailblazer
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in the world of general Practice
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Pharmacy let's explore the possibilities
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and uncover invaluable insights together
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without further Ado let's welcome
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Brooke hi Brooke tell us about your
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Pharmacy Journey how did you start
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working in a GP Clinic yeah I started
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work in Community Pharmacy and um
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managed community pharmacies for uh
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quite a while and then went into a group
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development manager role and so that was
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overseeing 24 pharmacies across the
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state and so that had a real um
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operational aspect to it when I had my
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first child I did my hmar accreditation
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and we made the choice to move home to
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mura and I sought out the biggest clinic
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in town um the clinic that had as far as
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I was concerned the best reputation and
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approached them and said do you have HMR
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pharmacists do you know what hmrs are
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and um you know they they weren't sure
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and they didn't have someone that they
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worked with all of the time um they
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certainly didn't have a process with
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their hmrs and so I started with them
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there and I did that to them solely for
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about four years as far as I'm concerned
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did a pretty good job and made some
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really great relationships with the GPS
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and always got the reports back always
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had feedback was obviously offering them
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a really great service and so they
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approached me actually so about 4 years
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ago and said um we've been approached by
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the phn so Mari phn um with some funding
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to do a chronic disease management
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project which included um a
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multidisciplinary aspect and their
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opportunities there were to employ a a
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chronic disease nurse and they were also
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able to allocate some funding to an
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Allied Health professional and
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pharmacists were on the list of those
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and because they had that pre-existing
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relationship with me they knew that the
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doctors knew what my style and and and
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level of work was apparently pretty easy
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sell to the GPS to have me on on board
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which was pretty exciting at the time
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you know GP Pharmacy hasn't been around
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very long and at the time they sort of
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said oh what is it that you think you'll
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be able to do I said oh well you know
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lots of things you know pharmacists can
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do lots of things what is it that you
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need me to do um and that's when we sat
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together and really worked out where
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their skills Gap was in in their
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particular clinic and um it for us it
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was quite clear that the the practice
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manager didn't have a clinical
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background so there was quite a bit that
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I could help with and draw skill sets
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from managing pharmacies and obviously
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the the medication aspect of our skill
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set was clearly lacking too at the at
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the practice what most practice nurses
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are quite incredible but some of them
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are really quite good in the medication
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space and I think that surprised me a
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little bit but then on the other hand
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some of them really stepped back and and
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didn't have much impact in that space
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when they did their chronic disease
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management work so I was able to slip
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quite easily into that area where they
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they had a gap for our early career
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pharmacists want to improve their
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clinical skills how would you advise
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them to
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develop it's really about being very
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strong in your chronic disease
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management the difference that I find
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with Community Pharmacy is that daytoday
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they deal with a lot of acute things um
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you know acute Primary Care stuff
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obviously the medications that they
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dispense and Counsel on are often to do
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with chronic disease and so they're
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quite OFA with how the drugs work but
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the stuff that I seem to deal with
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that's different would be a lot to do
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with pathology so and I don't think
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that's really well covered at an
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undergraduate level so really getting
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your knowledge up with that and probably
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one of the best ways to do that is to
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get your hmar accreditation you know
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because we we look at pathology a lot in
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that space and also learning how to
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manage multimorbidity so dealing with a
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patient with multiple issues and how
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each of those chronic diseases into mesh
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and how you choose to prioritize a
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certain you know organ in the body is is
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something that GPS do quite well and
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probably something that pharmacists
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don't have a whole hip of exposure to
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and certainly something that I noticed
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when I train our GP registrars um so
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there's doctors that have finished their
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qualification and then going into their
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Fellowship to determine that GP land is
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where they're going to stay um and so
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they have often come from hospital and
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they again deal with a lot of acute
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stuff and so that move into the chronic
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disease management space can be a really
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challenging step for doctors and for
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pharmacists so I think you know early
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career pharmacists would be really well
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suited to just get some years under
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their belt and and just get their their
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or hone their skills with patient
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counseling and Rapport building and all
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of those sorts things uh honing your
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skills in having a ation with a GP
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because I know as an early career
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pharmacist that's quite a scary thing to
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do I think one of the biggest challenges
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that any pharmacist will face moving
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into GP land is actually changing the
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perception sometimes um because a lot of
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the relationship or the pre-existing
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relationship that we might have with our
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local GPS is one where you pick up the
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phone and say hey made an error on this
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script you know we know that the
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conversation goes differently to that
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but the the premise of that entire
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conversation is you've done something
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wrong this is how we need to fix it it's
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really about making sure that we build
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relationships with the Jeeps um and have
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be able to have those tough
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conversations because let's face that
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nowar be told that they've made a
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mistake it's how you manage those soft
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skills around building a relationship
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communicating an error to a doctor and
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and the way forward whilst maintaining
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the relationship is a good trick I
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suppose a good trick to learn so I think
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early Creer pharmacists really need to
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think about whether they're ready for
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those conversations because you have
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them every day in GP land um every
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single moment of your job in general
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practice is conversations with doctors
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about okay no this is the direction that
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we need to take this patient in or you
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know this has happened in the consult
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that I've just had with your patient um
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and we need to do things differently
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moving forward and so you really do need
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to have a level of not just confidence
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in your clinical skills but in your
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interpersonal skills as well it is
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really interesting when you mentioned
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that be mindful of what other people are
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doing
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recently attended um a health Workforce
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Summit for regional and Rural well for
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the crisis in Regional and Rural
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Healthcare it was a multi-disciplinary
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um event where there was all different
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health professionals in the room number
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one I realized I'd never attended
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something like that before and most of
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the people in the room hadn't either so
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we really need to think about the fact
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that it's very rare that we all get
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together as a group of health
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professionals not a group of Pharmacists
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or a group of nurses and a group do um
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and actually we realized um you know I
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was facilitating a table there was some
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know 10 or 12 tables and each table had
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a facilitator and our job was to make
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sure that you know everyone was heard on
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the table and one of the main things
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that came out of it for me was that most
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don't know what the other does um and
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that can really um uh create disharmony
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when when you're trying to build
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relationships um when you actually don't
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know what the skill skill set is you
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know we're talking so much at the moment
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about people working to top of scope and
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I think it's such a trigger word for a
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lot of professions um when the reality
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is that we're actually just needing to
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work to scope it's actually just our
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skill set um that we have that so many
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of us aren't able to work to because of
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you know various different reasons and a
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lot of those come down to um the
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restrictions in you know regulations and
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um and uh remuneration and all sorts of
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stuff like that but as far as I'm
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concerned we need to be more mindful of
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what each health profession can bring to
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the table and I think the general
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practice pharmacist role is a really
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great example of you know bringing a
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skill set to a land that you're not
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normally in showing them what you can do
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showing them what Pharmacy's all about
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and I know for a fact the GPS that I
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work with just had no concept of what
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what I was capable of you know and and
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it took years I've been there nearly
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four years you know for them to really
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understand what it is that I can do for
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them to trust in my judgment and for
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them to really feel comfortable in
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handing over a patient and saying okay
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now I've diagnose this patient tell me
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what's next ultimately for me I think
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wouldn't it be great if we very much
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just sat back down at the table and said
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right what is everyone's actual skill
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set and what do we do dayt day and why
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is it that you're still doing that when
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I'm very capable of doing it in general
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practice what a perfect Synergy of skill
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sets would be that the GP diagnoses and
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the pharmacist prescribes I mean how
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cool would that be and I'd love to see
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that in the Primary Healthcare space in
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Australia in the future love to listen
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back to this podcast in 20 years time
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and go yes that was exactly what we were
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meant to do because we are the
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medication experts um the the very clear
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distinction in our education between
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pharmacist and GPS is the Diagnostics
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obviously we're able to diagnose minor
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acute you know Primary Care
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presentations and we do that really well
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but when it comes to chronic disease you
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know that's their wheelhouse let them do
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that let them do that well and let them
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have the time to really delve into the
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the nitty-gritty of what's going on for
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that patient and once they've figured it
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all out handball it to me and let me do
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the bit that I'm really good at so I
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think there's so much positivity in the
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future of where this roll go well I
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think the trust between you and your GP
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is really essential for your role is how
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to build that trust have the confidence
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in you your clinical knowledge yeah and
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I think I'm probably just got to that
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point in my career too where I'm no
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longer the youngest person in the room
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either and um so that's that's a that's
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um that's one of those things where you
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know now some of our GPS are younger
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than me and and so I've finally got to
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that stage where and there's a really
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sweet spot in your career I'm probably
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you're not quite there yet but where
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you've got enough experience in your
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role and enough life experience but
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you're not that far out of uni that
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you've forgotten all of the basics um
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and so you know I remember talking to a
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surgeon about this and that surgeon was
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saying you're about 60 when you hit that
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you know in in in Orthopedics but I
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think in in GP Pharmacy land is proba
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I'm probably getting close you know
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where you really feel comfortable in
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your own skin feel like you really
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belong you feel like what you're
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bringing to the table is useful valid
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respected all of those things that um I
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think doesn't matter what career you
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have you you're always driving to that
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space and I feel like I'm just really
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starting to to hit that space in in my
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career and it's a really nice place to
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be but this is also a great reminder to
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show our early career pharmacist we
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don't have to rush we don't have to be
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anxious and so stressed about not
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getting there so you will get to your
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spot but during that time just be
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patient and learn gather this
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information build these skill sets they
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eventually get there I think too you
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know I I definitely didn't well I didn't
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know that this was going to be a role
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for me but it certainly wasn't in my
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little fiveyear plan as I left my
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initial thoughts were that I would you
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know own a pharmacy you know that was
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that was the space that I thought I'd go
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into and um for a variety of reasons
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that didn't happen for me you know we
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made a choice to move back home so to to
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move rurally again um a lot of you know
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personal reasons why we made that choice
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and at the time for me I thought that
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was going to end my career you know I
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thought that was going to end all of my
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prospects um to really um be the best
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version of of me you know the role that
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I had in in one of the Independent
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Pharmacy groups um as their group
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development manager was really quite
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exciting and and big role for the part
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of my career I was in and I just didn't
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think was going to be able to replicate
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anything at that level if I move rurally
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and it just wasn't the case you know
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ultimately the move rurally for me um
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allowed me to just look at different
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options and um I think you know
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typically the further out of Metro the
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more your skills are you know respected
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and valued um because there is just not
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this huge bll of skills to pull from um
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and I think you know moving home to mura
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really allowed me to reset and decide
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what that I was going to do going
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forward and HMR was a really great thing
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that I could do um as a mom and you know
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it really means that I don't miss
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anything when it comes to my kids and
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and that was one of the things that that
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was probably one of the major reasons
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why in the end I chose not to go down
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the path of ownership um because I I
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know the stresses that can come with
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needing to be in in the building you
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know um if there's no other pharmacist
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that's you and the business doesn't open
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if you're not there and I know that's a
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um a challenge for a lot of parents out
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there I think it's a challenge for any
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pharmacist you know that's unwell or
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whatever the case is that that that
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level of responsibility is is really
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really high and and quite High pressured
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and so for me um the choice then to go
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down the HMR route was a really clear
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one for me after I made the decision not
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to go um into ownership and um like I
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said I don't don't miss anything I see
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you know every every concert and every
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you know um sports day and and that was
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really important to me so you know
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although recently you know with my work
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in GP land got a book full of patients
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on the appointment list that's
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challenging too so um you know that it's
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just a little bit more forgiving though
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I'd say I feel like the two important
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parts to make this success Place one is
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the trust with GP and education of other
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Healthcare professionals the second is
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that the you said earlier is that to be
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able to have that position within a GP
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Clinic How likely is that going to be to
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have more funding on these positions
19:08
yeah I think um you know if you have a
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really good look at the strengthening
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Medicare task force paper that was
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released earlier this year um the under
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under arching or sort of the overarching
19:21
message in that was multidisciplinary
19:23
care you know that's the future of of
19:26
primary healthare and if the government
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recognizes that um in that paper then
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they need to recognize it in in the
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remuneration and we're working very
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tirelessly in that sort of Grassroots
19:39
advocacy space to say recognize what we
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do you know that the GPS want us here um
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make sure that they can afford to to
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have us here and So currently we had the
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uh labor government in the most recent
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um federal budget announc a 30% increase
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in the working uh Force incentive
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program um so that's called the Whip and
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you know some pharmacists will be aware
20:03
of that others won't but it's basically
20:05
the way that we help fund so not
20:08
entirely fund but Aid funding of other
20:11
Professionals in a general practice so
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typically the problem with that has been
20:16
that that gets saturated with the
20:18
nursing Workforce and that is more of a
20:22
known commodity you know GPS understand
20:25
what nurses can do for them in the
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practice um there are some uh item
20:30
numbers that nurses can contribute to um
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you know nurses practice nurses and also
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Aboriginal healthcare workers do form
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part of the chronic disease funding that
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that we have in in general practice and
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so we need to keep working um on
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government to recognize the work that
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pharmacists do in general practice and
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um we need to be able you know not only
20:56
can we can now currently access the whip
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which is great that's a really great
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step the fact that pharmacists are
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listed on on the whip now which has been
21:03
over the last few years um but the thing
21:06
is what we need really is that money
21:09
being quarantined I suppose for GP
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Pharmacy um that'll be a great Next Step
21:14
you know so that the there is money
21:16
there that can't be spent on nurses that
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needs to be spent on pharmacist so you
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either spend it on a pharmacist or you
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don't I know they they announced a 30%
21:26
increase in the whip across the board
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but you know the um the fine print on
21:31
that was that you know larger practices
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will have their with funding um maxed
21:35
out at 130,000 and now prior to that
21:38
announcement the larger practices that
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announ that um funding cap was at 125 so
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it really was only like a 4% increase
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for some of those larger practices and
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the fact of the matter is that the
21:50
larger practices are the ones that are
21:52
employing Pharmacists and and nurses so
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the that you know $5,000 increase really
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is not going to make the difference
22:00
between you know employing another
22:02
pharmacist or having them there more
22:04
hours a week so the next step for all of
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us is to be louder you know we need to
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be louder and prouder and say we deserve
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to be in general practice you know we
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deserve to be remunerated we deserve to
22:16
be on the schedule um you know currently
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we're one of the only Allied health
22:20
professionals that can't access bmbs um
22:23
in in the chronic disease management
22:24
space um which is not on it's not on
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because you you know when you talk about
22:30
health we know that one of the major
22:33
initiatives that any practice has is to
22:36
initiate a medicine you know and so that
22:39
that medicine needs to be overseen by
22:41
the medicine's expert and that's the
22:43
pharmacist so the fact of the matter is
22:45
and I just recently was involved in a
22:47
Pala of care working group um and we're
22:50
talking about well how is it that we can
22:51
get everyone together you know because
22:53
Pala of care is a really good example of
22:55
where multidisiplinary care is the only
22:58
way to go about it is that currently
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with case conferencing the pharmacists
23:02
can be involved but they're literally
23:04
getting paid through altruism you know
23:07
like it's you're not getting paid at all
23:08
to be part of that um and a lot of
23:11
Pharmacists are really bad putting their
23:13
hand up and and saying I deserve to be
23:16
paid for my time um I can put my hand up
23:18
and say I'm not so great at it either
23:21
but that is just not a sustainable way
23:24
to go about um improving the you know
23:27
prospects of pharmac is going forward so
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I'm making a a choice these days to say
23:33
no I'm more than happy to be involved in
23:35
this but I expect to be paid for my time
23:37
because everyone else has things paid
23:39
for their time so yeah I think the next
23:41
step for us to ensure that this is a
23:43
role for our profession is to make sure
23:46
that there is a structured remuneration
23:48
process currently a lot of GP pharmacist
23:50
have paid for through projects and
23:53
pilots and trials and things
23:55
predominantly through their phn some
23:57
through state budget funding some
23:58
through federal budget funding but it is
24:01
mostly the phns that I think that the
24:03
government really needs to put the money
24:06
where them out is with regards to
24:07
knowing that multidisiplinary team based
24:10
care is is best practice and so we need
24:13
to be paid to be part of the team last
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words you want to leave with our early
24:17
cre pharmacist I think it is a really
24:20
exciting time to be a pharmacist and I
24:23
feel like a lot of Pharmacists or or
24:24
generations of Pharmacists have said
24:26
this but I think now is actually the
24:28
time where things are changing um I
24:31
genuinely believe that in 20 years time
24:34
there will be a general practice
24:35
pharmacist in in in every general
24:37
practice I genuinely believe that there
24:39
will be a residential Age Care
24:41
pharmacists in every rra across the
24:43
country I think that the embedded roles
24:46
are a really cool space to be in and I I
24:50
just think please don't be disheartened
24:52
by some of the stuff that's going on um
24:55
I know that 60-day dispensing has really
24:56
been a massive at the front of
24:59
everyone's Minds lately because it does
25:01
affect all all pharmacists regardless of
25:04
the space that you work in um but truly
25:08
you know recognize that unfortunately or
25:11
fortunately patients will always be on
25:13
medicines and we will always be the
25:16
medicine's expert so there's always
25:17
going to be a role for us and at the end
25:20
of the day no robot is going to be able
25:24
to um take the role of the pharmacist in
25:27
making those decisions about the person
25:31
in front of them you know the each
25:33
person is a unique person their um their
25:37
story is unique and our job is to be um
25:41
the one that that um listens to that
25:44
story and makes great decisions based on
25:46
that so just remember that um you need
25:49
to work on your soft skills work on your
25:51
relationship building um all of that
25:54
Rapport stuff work on your confidence
25:56
and just remember that you know stuff
25:58
all right you know your stuffff and
26:01
always trust that you've got the the
26:02
patient best interest at heart when
26:04
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