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#128 Overcoming Anxiety and Finding Freedom in Faith: Lillian rejects the lies.
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Summary: Discover the remarkable journey of Lilian Loza – born in El Salvador, raised in Jersey City – who found salvation through the gospel. Overcoming anxiety, Lilian's story showcases the power of God. Her story highlights fearlessness, forgiveness, and solace. Her narrative isn't solely about conquering anxiety; it's a radiant testament of faith guiding towards liberation. Prepare for inspiration from her adversity-shaped, faith-redeemed life.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Anxiety and Freedom
10:35 - College Life and Seeking God's Guidance
22:44 - Friendship Loss and Finding Purpose
36:30 - Life-Changing Revelation and Transformation
44:10 - Overcoming Anxiety Through the Gospel
52:50 - Liberation From Anxiety Through the Gospel
Keywords: Gospel, salvation, anxiety, faith, Romans 6, marriage, adversity, pandemic, homeschooling, forgiveness, liberation, inspiration.
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Anxiety and Freedom
Speaker 1Death to Life is brought to you by Love , Reality , a good gospel ministry . Our mission is to tell everyone willing to listen that in Christ , by faith , they are free from sin . Everything that we make is made possible because of the generosity of people like you . Thank you .
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Speaker 3My anxiety just blew up and I was still just scared of leaving the house . I was getting sick a lot and I finally had to ask for medical leave . So I went to my study Bible and I read Romans 6 . And I'm crying and I'm like how is this possible ? This has been in my Bible this whole time . So that's all she told me . That's all she told me . And she prayed over me and she said if you need anything , I'm here for you , you are free , and I believed it .
Speaker 2Yo , welcome to the Death to Life podcast . My name is Richard Young and today's episode is with my sister , lilian , and this is a story about anxiety , a story of panic , and how God has set her free from that , and so we won't step on it anymore . Buckle up , strap in Love y'all , appreciate y'all . Here's Lilian Loza . How familiar are you with the Death to Life podcast ?
Speaker 3Pretty familiar . I've listened to a lot of them . I binge listened .
Speaker 2What episode sticks out in your mind as oh man , eddie and Jailas , is that the first one you listen to ?
Speaker 3Those yeah , those were the first ones , and then Will's story .
Speaker 2Will Murphy .
Speaker 3Don't tell me what kind of stood out , except that he was a good guy . You know what I'm saying . And that stuck out to me because I've always been a good girl and I was like oh , and then the whole thing of everyone saying I'm free and I'm like what is this ? That everyone is saying that they're free , what are they free from ? So it was very intriguing to me .
Speaker 2So how did you hear the first one ? Is this later on ? Is this a part of your story ?
Speaker 3I started listening to this because of Eddie's story , because I went to school with Eddie and Jaila and so I listened to that podcast of his story . And then , was it the week after that was Jailas , or was it a couple of weeks ?
Speaker 2Yeah , it was the week after .
Speaker 3Yeah , and that one surprised me even more . That's what everybody says .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's how we get you . So let me ask you this when did you grow up ?
Speaker 3In Jersey . So I was born in El Salvador , but at the age of five I went to Jersey and that's where I grew up Jersey City , the city girl .
Speaker 2Jersey City . That sounds like not a safe place . Is that not a safe place ?
Speaker 3It's not at all . No , but man , now that I look back , we were protected .
Speaker 2You can see the World Trade Center from Jersey City right .
Speaker 3Oh yeah .
Speaker 2Man .
Speaker 3Liberty State Park . It's right there .
Speaker 2Yeah , what was that like ?
Speaker 3That's all I knew . It was fine . I was a city girl . When I came to Southern I had a really heavy Jersey accent . I've lost it now , but what did that sound like ? I don't know . Give me an example , I can't . It's just how I talked .
Speaker 2Say water .
Speaker 3Oh , I don't even remember that . That was a long time ago .
Speaker 2So you went right from New Jersey to Southern . Then , Like you went , where'd you go to high school ? Did you go to public school out there ?
Speaker 3Yeah , so I went to a small Adventist school in Waldwick , new Jersey , and I went there my freshman and sophomore year of high school and that's where I tasted my first shot of anything . Isn't that bizarre . I went to public school all my life except for that . It's terrible that I have that memory .
Speaker 2But you went to public school your whole life until high school and then you went to two years of Academy where you started getting drunk every time . You just planted .
Speaker 3No , that's not part of my story .
Speaker 2Okay , let's go back a little further . Where do you feel like your spiritual life story starts , like with spiritual things ?
Speaker 3I got baptized at the age of nine , so I was nine years old in adventures , and that's where I made a choice for Jesus , right , but the God that I knew then was I was just doing all these things to get His acceptance . So it was different , but that's how it was for me growing up .
Speaker 2How did you get God's acceptance ? What do you have to ?
Speaker 3do you know , my mom always encouraged me to sing up front , and I took piano lessons for a couple of years too . So it was about using my talents for the Lord , and so my mom always highly encouraged me to do that . But I was so , so , so shy , so shy , and so it was really hard for me to go out from . But I had a really good friend that also sang with me , and so we both would just sing sometimes , and so I just my mom would always . I was always waiting for that praise from her and then I was okay . So I'm good with God . God must be happy with me when I sing up front . And then , as I became a teenager , I started leading out , like in AWACS , like programs and things like that . I never really preached , but more organizing and singing . That was a lot of what I did , but I never really studied the Bible . That I can remember .
Speaker 2How did you feel about yourself Like ?
Speaker 3I was just a regular girl , I don't know .
Speaker 2You know you just like pretty secure in who you were .
Speaker 3Yeah , I grew up with my mom and dad , so I was confident , very quiet . Never did I see myself as a leader by all means . But I was a good girl . I liked to follow the rules and so I was just . I loved going to church and listening to the stories , like you're saying , and all of that . So , yeah , it was a good childhood .
Speaker 2Awesome . We hear a lot about the bad childhoods and that doesn't help , but it's also . The enemy doesn't need much help , does he ? Your parents can be amazing parents , and we've had people on here who have tough childhoods . And then we have amazing parents and the enemy doesn't care . He's just going to lie and eventually , through the world or through whatever . So you , you're going to public school , living in Jersey City .
Speaker 3Yeah , it was a day school and so I would . It wasn't like overnight or anything , but it was . It was good , I had just gotten contacts . So I was super , super nerdy with the big old glasses . That was the thing back in the nineties . So going to high school , that was the first time I got rid of my glasses and so I started getting noticed by boys and so then that was like my new thing is like I want to attract the boys . That was never a thing before , and so , yeah , that was the thing . That's when I had more crushes and things like that .
Speaker 2All right , how'd that go ? Was that fun ?
Speaker 3It was fun for me . Yes , but that's my . I was obviously very conservative household and so I wasn't allowed to do anything or talk to anyone . We didn't have cell phones back then . You know how that was . So it was fun to get attention from boys , and I would get into a lot of trouble for kissing them . How did ?
Speaker 2anyone find out , you would tell your mom .
Speaker 3Oh , you don't even know , Richard . I remember one camping trip I had like Hispanic camp meeting type of thing , because of a shadow . My mother saw me kissing a boy a shadow . She was always like I pray so much for you . God's always going to tell me when you're doing things . You know what I'm saying . So through seriously , and it was bad , I would kiss boys at church and they didn't even have to be my boyfriend . So while a little bit ago you asked me how I felt about myself , I was a very confident girl , but I was seeking something clearly right .
Speaker 2How do Hispanic mothers know ? Like the first time I kissed somebody , my mom was like she just knew automatically she's got me in trouble . She's like how do you know ? Because I know everything .
Speaker 3I'm like oh my God , it's true . I mean , it probably saved me from a lot of things , but anyway , that was the fun thing to do in high school . And then , because that school didn't go , only one till 10th grade then , I had to go to a public school and it was a big high school , dickinson High School . It was huge and a lot of bad things happened there and so they were very scared . I had to take the bus . That's how it is , it's city life . So I went to that high school , but I would eat lunch all by myself . I was so quiet . Everyone had their friends already . But then these girls that I went to grammar school with , they remembered me and they adopted me . They just took . They were popular girls , they were nice and they were good girls . They were cool , but they weren't into drugs or any of that stuff , which is what my parents are so afraid of .
Speaker 2Were you ever tempted with drugs ?
Speaker 3No , never .
Speaker 2Just partying a little bit , like maybe drinking , but not drugs .
Speaker 3I tasted that one thing and it was disgusting . So not really All . I was interested . I wanted to go out on dates with boys . That's what I wanted . I was searching for that love , for the romance , but I wasn't allowed to go on dates , so I had to . I finally got a job , probably my junior year , and I would have to lie that I was working or things like that , to go on a date in Hoboken . Have you ever been to Hoboken ? It's a small town in Jersey .
Speaker 2I've heard of it .
Speaker 3Yeah , it has a good view of the city too , so that's where I worked , and so I had to do a lot of lying to do , though that's all I was seeking , though .
Speaker 2Did your mom find out that time ?
Speaker 3Not all the times .
Speaker 2Sometimes , but now as an adult .
Speaker 3I'll tell her . I've told her already .
Speaker 2Hey mom , remember when I told you I was going to go to work , I went out on a date . Yeah . I didn't like him though .
College Life and Seeking God's Guidance
Speaker 2So then , when you're getting out of high school , what was the plan ?
Speaker 3So we went to a bunch of colleges and went to AUCC . They wanted me to go to an Adventist school . I'm pretty sure I also applied to Rutgers though , which is the local one there . So that was my backup plan . But I didn't want to stay in Jersey . I knew that . I hated the busyness of city life . I didn't want to live at my parents' house anymore . It was too conservative . I just wanted out . I was fed up , because the little bit I did want to do with the youth at church , I wasn't even allowed to do that . I wanted to go bowling . That was a thing when I was a teenager and I wasn't even allowed to do that , because bad things happen at bowling alleys . Absolutely , they do . So , anyway , I just wanted to leave home , so I applied . I think I was going to go to AUCC and then in July because Southern does this thing where if you come visit they give you a hotel for free , and we had friends that had moved to Tennessee so we're like , oh , let's get a free hotel , do the tour of the school and we'll go visit , it's fine . So we came in July and we ended up loving it . I came with my best friend and my parents and we loved Southern .
Speaker 2Southern is a school in Tennessee , right Chattanooga Tennessee .
Speaker 3Yep , Collegedale , Tennessee . I was a lay applicant and I was like , oh , it's even further away from home . Sure , I'll take it .
Speaker 2What did your parents pump about that ?
Speaker 3Not that it was the most conservative , so they were pumped about that part . I don't know if you ever visited CUC . You're from the West , right .
Speaker 2Oh , I've been everywhere . When I was a recruiter I'd go to a lot of places . Oh right , right , yeah , and CUC is right in Tacoma Park , like in the city . They might have been more nervous about that than Southern off in the country .
Speaker 3Maybe that would have been bad for me too . That's what I was seeking college life . I wanted the party life . Now that I really did , what ?
Speaker 2does that mean I wanted to drink and party ? You did want to drink and party .
Speaker 3I did . I had never done it , but that's what I wanted to do . I wanted to rebel . That was my plan . Yeah , that didn't really happen .
Speaker 2Why didn't it happen ?
Speaker 3I came to Southern and I met Jose like the first day of school , probably at the cafeteria .
Speaker 2The first day of school .
Speaker 3I'm pretty sure my parents were still here . He came up and introduced because he's from Jersey too , so he's just chatting them up and I'm like , oh , this guy's friendly , but I didn't want a boyfriend . So we were friends for a while . Was he a freshman ? No , he was transfer . Okay . He transferred in from yeah , but he had already done the party thing . So he was coming to Southern to start over and I wanted to do the party thing . I don't know . I think I put him in my path because we didn't really do any of the party . We went to the movies , we went bowling , just normal college things , and then I did get into drinking a little bit , but it wasn't too bad .
Speaker 2Was it all that it was cracked up to be ?
Speaker 3No , I didn't feel good , no .
Speaker 2No didn't live up to the hype but .
Speaker 3I was curious , though I was so curious , I tried it and so , yeah , that was college and it was fun . I did my Little bit of partying and I got a little bit of that out of my system , but almost safely , because I don't know what it was always with Jose , so it wasn't like I was out there solo how I don't know . God protected me from when I look back , because my , that was not my plan .
Speaker 2So , as you're becoming your own , you're an adult , your own person . Who's God at this point in your life ?
Speaker 3When I came to Southern it was the same . I Hear so many stories of people and all the Bible studies that they went to at Southern and stuff . I don't think I ever did that and that's really sad to say , but that's the reality . That's not what I was looking for and so the Vespers were great . I enjoyed a big community of young people , the music I was . My eyes were open to so much beautiful music that I was never exposed to before , so I love the worship part of it . I did like that .
Speaker 2Were you ? So you had met all these people . You really liked the Environment . You liked the singing . What was your ? What was the plan for your life , were you ? How soon were you ? Like ? Me and Jose are gonna get married .
Speaker 3We dated for a half years before he popped the question so or a half year longer . Yes , all through college for me , basically . And there was a breakup in there somewhere Because I was like , okay , this has been a long time . If you're not ready for this , then that's it . So I didn't do an ultimatum . That's not what it was . But then we got back together in a month later . He proposed he just had to make up his mind . Maybe I don't know , that's a different story , but God was just a guy that loved me , but I didn't really have a relationship with him right . Not yet .
Speaker 2So you get out of college . How soon are you getting married ? What's the plan ?
Speaker 3Yeah , I got married . I graduated in 05 and we got married in 07 . It was pretty quickly . I but man , I was not prepared , with all the debt that I took on , to go to Southern . So once everything , we were in the real world and , of course , because I decided to stay here , I got a job at Southern . I've been working at Southern since 06 and I've been there for a really long time and I love working for them . But it was hard to pay the bills . Jose took a little longer to finish school and so he was still in school and Things were tight and that's when I got my first panic attack . We had been married maybe a year and I don't know if you've ever experienced a panic attack , but I felt like I was having a heart attack . I was going back to work , I was at lunch . I have always lived very close to Southern , so I always just would go home for lunch and I was on my way back and I just felt heart Appetitions and I got really sweaty . So I get to work and that's . You know how it is working for an Adventist place . I was really good friends with a lot of people , so I'm like I think we have to call 911 . Am I having a heart attack ? And we were , a lot of us were , two of us were psych majors . So she was like , I think you're having a panic attack and I'm like , what about what ? I Wasn't worried .
Speaker 2What had you been thinking about right before then , or what was going on that day ? Do you remember ?
Speaker 3I don't remember , but it was financial , I'm pretty sure . I'm pretty sure it was . So I laid at that time it was summer and we were working in the dorms because they were renovating our offices and so we were , and so they were mattresses , and so she had me laid down on a mattress for a little bit and then she sent me home and that's when I cracked open my Bible for the first time . I had a really nice view in my apartment and it was right next to the railroad tracks is the only bad thing , but it was a beautiful view and that's the first time I opened my Bible and I just I was just Clamoring to God what is this that I'm feeling ? What is going on ? Help me . I was asking him for help . That's the first time , I think I directly . I had a prayed before . I always prayed for my food , those sort of things , but not this felt different . So I started doing that a little bit more often . Like as far as sitting outside , I really enjoyed sitting outside and Reading and trying , but I never really got a response back , not at least that I remember at that point . Mm-hmm . I think during this season of my life we were doing having a lot of house parties , so we were the married couple and I think we had a lot of other married couples , so we would have a lot of parties at the house . We've always been good hosts , so I was in and out of church . I would go to church , but Friday nights I was doing something different . It was that life , and so I was really trying to get this response . I'd always been . I've always loved testimonies which is , I think , why I'm drawn to these podcasts but I never thought I would have a testimony of my own Because I didn't do drugs . I wasn't like , I wasn't that far gone . You know what I'm saying . I was like I'm never gonna have a testimony , but I was clamoring Lord , what is it ? Nothing really Changed that I can remember . But then we had Julian . I got pregnant in 2010 with Julian my oldest . Having kids really changes you and we started wanting to go to church more because we would have missed some Sabbaths . So we started going to church more and we were church hopping . There's a lot of churches here in Chattanooga and we found a small church called impact and we knew a few people , but we were drawn to this really small community because they always missed us when we didn't go and they would text , text us and hey , where have you guys been ? Come back right . So I was like , oh man , this is nice . I wanted Julian to have all the Bible stories , all that positive stuff I had in my upbringing . I wanted my son to have that . So we started going to church a little more religiously . Then we got pregnant with Bella . They're about 22 months apart , so two years later we got pregnant with Bella . I don't remember having a lot of panic attacks , it was just that one isolated incident and then that's it . We had Bella . That was a really hard pregnancy for me . I was sick a lot , I couldn't . I think I gained 11 pounds in that pregnancy .
Speaker 2Is that a lot ? I don't know .
Speaker 3No , that's not . I think healthy is like 25 Plus , but I only gained 11 .
Speaker 2I was a little overweight before my pregnancy with her , but um I well , you had just had a baby before that , not too long .
Speaker 3But I couldn't keep anything down . It was a hard pregnancy on me , but then I had . We had our baby girl and I'm still working at Southern . And then when I come back to work after my maternity leave , they offer me a promotion and . So I was working , I work in the financial aid office and and I that surprised me because I never saw myself as a leader , but at work I had already been moving into things . I'm a really hard worker and so I became the associate director . So I'm the right hand man to my boss , and so I had this opportunity of growth at work , because I really wanted to stay home after Julian . I was like , oh , how can we make this work ? But but I have a good job and . I'm a woman , I work and I should be climbing the ladder , like all these things that people were telling me that I should do and so . So yeah , would you ? But I was happy . I got this promotion . I was super happy , went back to work , I got my masters .
Speaker 2Was life going the way you wanted it , with all the kids , and the way you were Progressing and going up the ladder ? Is that what you wanted ? What was the goal in your mind ?
Speaker 3No , I think . I think I always wanted to make my parents proud and that's something that I could do is moving up the ladder , was getting my degree , all these things and , and so , because it was making people happy , I was doing it and I think I was happy in part because I was successful , but I wasn't at peace and and you know how it is having really young kids , so I was . That was just a very exhausting part of my life , having those young kids working hard . Leadership is different , like managing a group of people , and I was just being stretched in a lot of different ways During that time of my life because we were still at church . I lost a lot of friendships through different reasons , I think changing , I Don't know changing interests and
Friendship Loss and Finding Purpose
Speaker 3stuff like that and I went through a really lonely time in my life when I felt like I didn't have friends .
Speaker 2So it made me say God More isn't that funny , like when you're in college , your freshman year , you meet somebody in college writing one and you're just like we're gonna be friends forever and you think you're gonna have all these friends . And then you graduate , you get older , you get married and you're like you're blessed if you have two friends . So you were getting lonely and so that led to more searching .
Speaker 3Yeah , and I was still going to this church impact and I got asked to be an elder and I had never considered that before and I'm like , well , I'm not ready . I'm still having a cup of wine here and there , what don't ? I can't be , I can't do that , I'm not ready . And this person , an elder , at the church , he was like you're ready now he . I was like I need to pray about this and I was like I wear jewelry . That was a big thing too , right . I was like I wear jewelry . I feel like I need to leave all these things before I , you know . And , um , finally I prayed about it and I accepted to be elder . And so I was like what does this mean ? I had so many questions , but it was just something I was doing for God , because if God put someone in my path to ask me to do something for him , there wasn't a really big reason for me to say no . So I said yes To being an elder , which was a good thing . I started feeling promptings of the Holy Spirit . There was a time where I was physically not feeling well stomach issues . After my pregnancy with Bella , it changed GI stuff for me and sorry , this is TMI , but I was having really bad periods and so obviously I was taking care of all that , but anyway , that led me to have a hysterectomy . So I thought it was all physical things , but I think a lot of the emotional things that I was dealing with . I think I had been anxious for years , but I did end up having a hysterectomy in 2019 because of the anxiety that led to your body kind of Manifesting stuff . I think so a lot of the GI stuff for sure , because during my pregnancy with Bella , when I was eight months pregnant , jose got fired from his job and it was . We had two young kids . We had to just kind of switch . I don't know that was a big . A lot of things happen there with Jose's shift and work and responsibilities , and I was eight months . I'm a go-getter and we just keep going forward . So I was not . We would handle that between me and Jose . We wouldn't involve family or anything like that . Anyway , yeah , I think a lot of the anxiety has Been what's affected my stomach . I'm off of gluten and soya and dairy now .
Speaker 2Oh , that's right , we talked about this .
Speaker 3So the poop was asked for , like you got to take that pill yes , but anyway , the hysterectomy is a side thing , but I was when you don't feel well , it's terrible . And so I was again like just clamoring to God . I was like , lord , what is happening ? What is his period shouldn't be this bad . But it ended up being a bunch of stuff and they just had to get it out and we were done with kids anyway , so it was fine . So , yeah , when I was healing from my surgery it's I've I had felt the Holy Spirit , heard , whatever , that is One once it was . I was at a club and I felt the Holy Spirit telling me to get out , and I know my mom appraise for me , but I remember feeling a really strong feeling and I think we even left early . I couldn't handle it . Anyway , I'm not a preacher , but when I was healing from my surgery , I felt the Holy Spirit telling me that I needed to share my story up until that point . So , since I was just sitting on a bed , first six and eight , or six to eight weeks , I think , I started writing something . So after that was the first time that I preached . Oh , and then we're leading to 2020 . 2020 , when everything happened Was so relieved that we were stuck at home Because it had Saturdays had gotten so busy for me again . I think I was head elder during that time and I was just relieved to not go to church , to not have so many meetings . Now You're the head elder , yeah would your mom ?
Speaker 2how would your mom and dad feel about that ?
Speaker 3Oh , they were very proud of me .
Speaker 2That's what's up . Yeah 2020 , the worldwide pandemic and the yeah , remember , the worldwide pandemic . Who doesn't ?
Speaker 3I was so happy to be home and Because I was exhausted and overwhelmed and that is when I truly got to know my children and I seriously that's so sad to say , but I think that's because I had so much time I was like this is great , jose had been the one to raise our kids when they were really little . Mm-hmm . And now that we were home and I was helping them , it was great they're nice , I like them . So , we finished nice , so nice . So that was in March , right ? So the next school year we decided to homeschool . Then , because you know how that online school was , it was bizarre . I was like that's terrible . I had never considered homeschool , though , because kids that were homeschooled were weird and I didn't want my kids to be weird .
Speaker 2That is not true , by the way , not you . Who is listening ? Who's homeschooling your child ? Your child is cool . It's the rest of them .
Speaker 3No , that was not a real thing , that I was , anyway . So we decided to homeschool . I was still working full-time , jose , and I split it up . It was great . I loved being with my kids and being able to teach them and being home . I was getting to work from home now . It was great . So the moment that we had to go back to the office , that junk sucked .
Speaker 2Yes , you have more . Did you have a panic attack ?
Speaker 3That's when the anxiety came back . I was fine during the pandemic . I wasn't that freaked out about it , but when we started to have to go back out I was like , oh , that's when it hit me .
Speaker 2Did you get COVID during the pandemic Did ? The middle of it . No . Man . So you're like I'm about to go to work and get it . What was the anxiety about ?
Speaker 3Yeah , it was about everything , Richard . I think everything just hit me at once . I was just scared , because now there are more shootings , there's more of everything happening . So I think I was just scared of everything and I couldn't control it . Hmm because I had to go back out and work . So I sucked it up and I went to work , but then I started getting penned , then I started getting panic attacks again and Because of that my stomach got more messed up . I think it just , and so I thought I was sick . I was like , okay , now what ? Now what's wrong ? Went back to doctors . There's nothing wrong with me . Now what happened ? January of 2022 ?
Speaker 2So you're just living with this anxiety for a while , then yeah , I wasn't even going to therapy .
Speaker 3I don't even think , and I was a psych major . I believed in therapy . I don't know why I didn't go . I don't have a really good reason .
Speaker 2Um , did you know I am an anxious person ? Were you like owning it like , yes , this is who I am , I'm dealing with this anxiety . Or were you just dealing with anxiety and not labeling that just what is going on ?
Speaker 3No , it was quiet . I think me and maybe Jose knew . Maybe if I had a girlfriend at that time they knew , but not I was an openly sharing that People didn't need to know that but you were aware completely , this is my life right now . Yeah , I was yeah , and so I think it was years of in , years of it just building up and then , in January of 2022 , my aunt got diagnosed with cancer and I had never lost anyone close to me before , and so the the idea and it was terminal cancer , there was nothing they could do . This was January and that was really hard , like the anticipation of it . Was the worst part , right . So that's really when it got worse in January , when all that happened . We went to visit her in april . Seeing her was hard . Obviously , during the pandemic she had moved from jersey to florida and so she was a little closer . So we went to visit her . That was our first trip during after covet , I think , is to go see her . It was hard to see her sick . Anyway , my anxiety just blew up and I was still just scared of leaving the house . And now I'm scared of losing my aunt , because what am I gonna do ? I was calling out of work a lot and I was getting sick a lot and I finally had to ask for medical leave . I thought I was gonna end up in uh , what is it called ? Umani koumyo ? Why can't I think of it in English ?
Speaker 2I don't know like a mental hospital .
Speaker 3Yes , I really did . I was like if they call me and like she was in and out of the hospital . So every phone call if I was at work I would just rush home . Why that would help , I don't know . It's not like she's here , but I was a mess . I couldn't handle Anything . Everything was very overwhelming for me .
Speaker 2And did you think it was a rational like you running home to take a phone call from your aunt . Did you think or were you like , this is irrational , but I have to do it because this is how I can cope with it ? I wasn't .
Speaker 3I wasn't thinking about what was rational , it's just what I had to do , and because I had been there for so long , they're like yeah , go , it's fine . No one questioned me about it . So I just thought it was fine and I finally had to ask . I had to go on medical leave . I was like what are my options here ? So I looked into fmla , I talked to my doctors , I got a therapist and all that , and so I started going to therapy To figure out where all this was coming from , and obviously it was a lot of things . So I went part-time for couple of months During this leave and so I was focusing on myself .
Speaker 2What is the ? What were you finding out ? Like what were you finding out ?
Speaker 3I was finding out many things from all these self-help books .
Speaker 2But what even the therapy like ? Did the therapist help ?
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , I had to switch therapists once , but , yes , once I found her , she was able to . Obviously , it helped me through the panic attacks , making sure that I could make it to work safely , and then she was basically giving me affirmations to tell myself so similar to the truths we tell ourselves now . But I was learning that through therapy . What are affirmations ? How are you actually feeling ? You're not dying , right ? You don't have COVID , you're not sick . So I was constantly repeating to myself I'm okay right now , nothing is wrong , so I have nothing to worry . But it was a lot of work . I was exhausted . I was in bed about seven . I had no energy for the kids . It was terrible to think about that time of my life and August 23 of last year , so we're almost at the one year mark . I don't know when Jayla and Eddie's episode came out .
Speaker 2I think it came out in August . I think it was around August , if I'm remembering correctly . Oh , it's on the top of a year that has been out . It doesn't feel like it feels like much longer than that , huh .
Speaker 3Yeah Well , I listened to Eddie's podcast just out of curiosity , and then I was intrigued , and then the following week it was Jayla's and I was like , oh yeah , what was Jayla's perspective ?
Speaker 2But it was so you just heard sorry , I'm interested , like someone had just sent in or you saw it on Facebook that there was this podcast . You had never heard about it before and you're like , and you had heard about Eddie from before , or was this all news to you ?
Speaker 3Yeah , I had heard that something had happened with Eddie , but I didn't have any information . I hadn't kept in touch with him or Jayla . Jose talked to Jayla more because they played basketball and she was always real nice , that's how it was . So I was intrigued and then , when Jayla's story came out , I was like , oh , I should hear her story . How did she feel about all this ? And that's the one that really got me . I was like , oh , my goodness , that is amazing . My God could choose not .
Speaker 2Okay , we want to take a quick break from the episode right now and I want to introduce you to my friend , savannah . Savannah , how long have you been rocking with Good Gospel ?
Speaker 1I don't know exactly , but I think like two and a half years , I'd say .
Speaker 2How'd you come across it ?
Speaker 1My friend Jay Koo .
Speaker 2Justin Koo .
Speaker 1Yes , he had lived a real life . And then he kept telling me to get on Love Reali Bible studies and it took me forever and I finally did . And the first time I went through Wave 1 , my life was changed .
Speaker 2Oh , wow , what would you say ?
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Speaker 2Your experience with Good Gospel , how has it changed your life ? In a real quick , like you know , mid-roll , we're just talking about this real quick . I know you have a whole episode where you talk about it , but yeah , what would you say ?
Speaker 1Probably the biggest thing is living unafended . I didn't know that I could live not being bothered by people and like unafended , that I can walk in forgiveness at all times , no matter how people treat me , just seeing people rightly for who they are , no matter what they do , and knowing that everyone's made in the image of God .
Speaker 2So yeah , that's a pretty powerful revelation and paradigm shift right that now you don't see them for the offense , you see them for who they actually are .
Speaker 1Yes , that was what hit me on night . Two talking about forgiveness , because I was struggling with forgiveness and I was asking what I needed to do to forgive , and then they were just talking about how I already have that because I've been forgiven . Now I get to release that same forgiveness to others and change my life , man .
Speaker 2Amazing . So you've even gone a step further and you and your family , you guys donate to keep these podcasts going . Why is it so important to you that you guys have decided to support financially ?
Speaker 1Well , freely we've received , so now we freely give and we've received so much through the Holy Spirit , working through love , reality and it means the world to my husband and I , and so it makes sense . It's a no brainer to donate and it's like awesome just to get to see other people's lives change through the same avenue of the podcast and Bible studies and all of it .
Speaker 2Wow . So we're like , yeah , and we want to encourage you . If you have that burden on your heart , if you want to see these podcast episodes , keep going out and have us keep producing them . We would love if you donated to the that's A Life podcast so that we could keep doing this thing . It does cost money and people like Savannah , people like you , can be a part of moving this thing forward . Thank you so much , savannah . We appreciate you , not just for the donation , but you're a part of our lives . You're a part of my church . We are the body of Christ and just me seeing you , the way you live your life through trials , through whatever , it's such a huge testimony to me . So thank you so much .
Speaker 1Yep Praise the Lord .
Speaker 3I was amazed that God could do all that . And then they all of the verbiage of being free and the peace , all those things that I was looking for . Right , because I was looking for purpose during the season of my life . What's my purpose ? What should I be doing ? Why ? Because I was on medical leave . What am I doing ? And then I would go on a lot of walks . Right , because exercise is supposed to be good for you when you're dealing with mental health . So that's what I was doing . So I had a podcast to listen to . Now , because I added the Death to Life podcast on my Amazon thingy .
Speaker 2As you should .
Speaker 3Yes .
Speaker 2Naturally .
Speaker 3You always say Apple stuff , but not everyone has Apple .
Speaker 2What do you listen to it on Spotify ?
Speaker 3Amazon , Amazon music .
Speaker 2You listen to podcasts on Amazon music .
Speaker 3Yeah , I have it saved there because we pay for that , and so I just have it . That's all I .
Speaker 2I don't have a thing with Spotify . Shout out to Amazon for spreading the gospel .
Speaker 3So I never know how to give you a rating , because you always say that for Apple .
Speaker 2You have to go to Apple and do it . You don't have an Apple phone .
Speaker 3Correct . So give me an option and I would rate you . Okay , that's a sidebar , but you should make that happen . Anyways , back to where were we ?
Speaker 2So you're on walks , you're listening to podcasts with Jeff Bezos .
Speaker 3And so then I listened to Will's episode . That one left me thinking , and so , just hearing his story of what God did , and again , the freedom , I'm like what the heck is this freedom ? I want it , I wanted peace . So bad , that's all I was praying for . I was like , lord , give me peace , lord give me peace . And I listened to a few of them . I went back and listened to your friends like from the beginning . I'm sorry I'm blanking on their heads , tyler and Morgan . Yes , that was a powerful one . And , of course , I'm like talking to Jose . I'm like these podcasts are really cool . Well , on August 23 , like after I heard Jela's , I messaged her on Instagram and I'm sure I can go to the message . But I said something to her like wow , you're so brave for sharing your part of the story . Thank you for doing that . Like I want that peace that you have . I said something like that and she said now she says this is a miracle because she never has time . But she said do you have time to chat ? I am free later . And I said , sure , like I'm free at seven . Like I was desperate . I was working part-time , right , I had time . So she's at the beach . She called we , I call her whatever , and she's at the beach here with the kids , but I think I have time to chat and so I'm just thinking she's checking in with me . We're just going to have a chat . I didn't know I was going to be a Bible study . And she's are you on your phone ? All right , so I'm going to go to the speaker and go to the Bible app and go to the ESV version and go to Roman six . I'm like , okay , and as we're going through this and I don't know . Something is clicking about Roman six for me specifically . And she's asking me questions , right , lily ? What is she ? Let me talk first about my anxiety about me being the one holding the financial burdens of my home , like just all these things right . And then she tells me about Roman six and how I'm set free from that and , because I have been baptized , god took all those things and I don't have fear . Those are all lies . And then she prayed over me after all that . So we had a little Bible study . I don't know how long the conversation was . We had a Bible study . My mind was blown .
Speaker 2And what was blown about ? What were you ? What was different ?
Speaker 3I don't know , except that I believed it honestly , except that I , like it felt personal to me , like Jesus died for me and these sins , something about the way she said it . It was the Holy Spirit . And then she prayed over me and about the lies , right . And then what are the lies that are ? And I was like let's fear and control . I think there's one more , and it was not feeling worthy . And because I'm such a confident person , I was very surprised by that one . But there's a difference there . Yeah , that's exactly right . So I come back inside and I didn't believe it . So I went to my study Bible and I read Roman six and I'm crying and I'm like , how is this possible ? This has been in my Bible this whole time . So that's all she told me . That's all she told me . And she prayed over me and she said if you need anything , I'm here for you , you are free . And I believed it . And then I just went back to studying on my own and literally went back in
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Speaker 3and I'm crying , jose , what's going on ? And I'm like , look at Roman six . So I'm like trying to repeat everything that she's told me . And so , because I'm like , secretly , a private detective , I go and I just found the waves . And so then I'm like binging on these every night and I love watching TV . So that was my thing prior . But , man , I got into all these waves and I don't know if you've watched how I met your mother when their mind is open to a negative thing like the chewing of the food . Do you have you to watch ?
Speaker 2I haven't seen that no .
Speaker 3Okay , we'll stop here then . Anyway , I just my understanding of all the things , adam , one , two . I'm like , oh my goodness , the focus has been on the law , it hasn't been on the other part of it , and just all these things . I'm like , yes , yes , this is it , this is it , and it was biblical . And I was so happy that everything was in the Bible that I was learning , and I think Eddie called me a few times and he told me to find a community and I had just joined the Bible study at Southern and he was like that's really good , lily , that's really good , but you need to join our community of . And he had a point . And so I joined the Bible studies and which was the first one you joined yours on .
Speaker 2Monday night .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2Shout out to the people who go to the that's Alive Bible study on Monday night central .
Speaker 3Yes , that's really good . And then this whole community .
Speaker 2I remember seeing you on there , yes , and you were shook a little bit , but you were just kind of and I felt like , do I know this person ? I thought maybe I know this person , but I don't think I had , and you were just like starting to immerse yourself in it .
Speaker 3Yeah , I was raising my hand and I think it's because I was searching for it . I wanted to know how this was it for me . And , yeah , I appreciate everyone that asked me questions and reached out . That's an important part of this is to have a community .
Speaker 2Absolutely .
Speaker 3So , yeah , god became personal for me and it's been beautiful ever since , you know , and I continue to grow through all these Bible studies and through my friendships at church . Having an actual community is important .
Speaker 2And you guys are the first people that invited me out to actually do something like in person to go to your church earlier this year , and that was a huge blessing for me . Let me ask you this how did this actually affect the anxiety that you were dealing with ?
Speaker 3It took it a completely away . It is gone . I people may think it's because of therapy , but after August 23 , while there are moments and feelings which are just feelings , I asked myself a lot of questions why am I feeling like that ? What is it ? And I will get down to the bottom of it and speak truth over it . And so I'm no longer an anxious person . I haven't had a panic attack for a long time , and so it's completely healed me from that . And then I think I had compartmentalized it for a long time . That got healed me from my anxiety and that was it . But then , when I allowed it to go into everything else , it's just been a learning opportunity for loving on my family and loving on my church . Now , how does this , how does freedom look in all these different places ? Because for a long time I was just focusing on how I got healed from anxiety and my panic attacks and all that stuff , because that was the biggest thing that was happening I didn't talk about when my aunt actually died . She died in October first , and I think it's just in the eyes that I'm seeing all this now . I got to spend the last week of her life with her because God gave me that ability and it was such a blessing for me to have that with her . And if I would have been in a different state of mind , I don't think I would have seen that as a blessing . You know what I'm saying . But because I was in a different place . Although it's sad , of course , to lose someone , there's been so many things that have been a blessing after that and we have that hope that I'm going to see her again and all that , and it's not just something we say . Right .
Speaker 2So what was the root of your anxiety before ? It was fear and control and unworthiness , right , yes ? So how does the gospel come in and just flip that ?
Speaker 3Oh well , I realized that God , when God sent his son to die on the cross , it was for me specifically , and even before that he created me . So I go back to that verse a lot that he created me so unique and special . So I always thought Christianity had to be boring . So I always wanted to choose God , but I wanted to have fun . And now in this community all the different personalities , like all these beautiful communities we can have fun being Christians . Look how unique all of us are . And so God made me the way I am and I am proud of that . He's using that for his will and so he loves me and I think it's just that realization that I wished I would have known so much sooner , right .
Speaker 2Are you trying to say that perfect love casts out all fear Is ?
Speaker 3that what you're trying to say In so many words .
Speaker 2Wow . So let me ask you this If there is someone who's listening to this let's say a mom who's dealing with temptation to control everything and if she doesn't have control , that panic and that fear sets in and so losing control manifests anger and just all of these things , and that leads to anxiety , and then there's fear over her children and whatever the most darkest thing that sometimes pops in to her mind . If you could encourage her in some truth , if you could tell her , if you could pull her aside and say babe , listen , what would you tell her ?
Speaker 3I would tell her that we don't have to worry , because God has done so much for us and , honestly , we have the fruits of the Spirit , and parts of the fruits of the Spirit are self-control and it's peace . We have that right now and speaking that truth over us instead of thinking of all the what-ifs that could happen , that's . What we have to focus on is the truths that are in the Bible and in the Word . Absolutely .
Speaker 2Absolutely , and so you're a blessing to us . And anxiety that's the name of the game right now . Tuts with people are I don't know if it was before COVID and no one was talking about it , or now that it's after COVID people are just like , yeah , it's a real thing , it is wrecking people's lives and what it is ? It's fear , right , it's just the fear of the unknown . What's going to happen . And when the Bible says he will keep the imperfect peace whose mind is stayed on thee because he trusts in thee . Like when we hold on to that verse where it says that we should be anxious for nothing , but in everything , by prayer and supplication , with thanksgiving , let our request be made known to God and the peace of God , which surpasses all understanding , will guard our hearts and minds in Christ Jesus . Like when we take those seriously , when we feel that anxiety and sometimes we feel it , but go to , like the songwriter says , take it to the Lord in prayer it actually makes us and it doesn't break us Because we see how much he loves us . What about moving forward in the future ? Do you feel like God still loves you ? Do you feel like your future is ? You feel like you're safe ?
Speaker 3Yeah , I'm safe , I go out there and I'm not scared anymore . And yeah , I'm just walking it out with him by my side . I love it .
Speaker 2Yeah , thanks so much for sharing your story . I appreciate you and I appreciate just seeing you live your life boldly
Liberation From Anxiety Through the Gospel
Speaker 2for truth .
Speaker 3Thank you for your ministry . It's been a blessing to me .
Speaker 2Praise the Lord man . I really love Lillian's story because it's real . It's not just this thing where oh God loves me , but it doesn't actually manifest in something . No , this has manifested in freedom from anxiety , mom , guilt , panic attacks , and this is what the gospel does . If the gospel is not doing this , then we haven't really heard it . But the gospel is here to set you free . Jesus Christ is a liberator and if you're listening to this and you're struggling with anxiety and panic attacks and you're worried , I just want to pray this for you and just pray this in your mind and your heart . I actually speak it out loud Father , thank you for loving me . Thank you that fear has no power over me . Thank you that perfect love has casted out all fear . Thank you that fear is a lie . Thank you that you've poured your heart into me and that you have actually set me free . I don't know what it means right now , but I believe it because you're a liberator . That's what you do and I believe it In . Jesus' name amen .