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Finding Hidden Strengths in Challenges
What happens when the body screams stop, but the mind charges ahead? Dr. Evan joins us to share his riveting tale of triumph over an ultra marathon, where unexpected cramps at mile 10 tested his limits and how pickle juice turned into an unlikely ally. Discover how this grueling race paralleled his work as a chiropractor, blending tales of extreme endurance with insights into mental resilience and emotional breakthroughs.
Have you ever tapped into hidden energy reserves you never knew you had? We explore the invigorating power of pushing personal boundaries and uncovering boundless energy, drawing from personal anecdotes and literature. From unexpected achievements fueled by friends' motivation to the serendipitous path into chiropractic care, this episode unravels the seductive allure of overcoming challenges and how life often has a way of unfolding perfectly.
As we journey through self-discovery, we reflect on the transformative power of mindfulness, meditation, and communication. Personal growth intertwines with professional evolution, leading to fascinating encounters and future collaborations with engaging figures like Caleb. The episode paints a holistic vision of proactive healthcare, emphasizing a shift towards empathetic, patient-centered practices that honor the intricate dance between body, mind, and spirit. Join us for a rich blend of personal insights, philosophical musings, and a fresh perspective on the interconnectedness of life's challenges and triumphs.
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Dr Evan, welcome to the podcast.
Dr. Evan Rudd:Thank you, Stoked to be here yeah.
Donnie Hathaway:I'm excited, Caleb, and I have talked about it. He's like you got to get Evan on, you got to get Evan on. Finally, I want to start with the ultra marathon that you just did, and I'll start with, like we, when I met up with you guys to run a few miles with you I think you were I don't know if you were just starting through some pain at like mile 26 or something like that and then you still did another 20 miles on top of that. Like what was that ultra like? And like what was it like to kind of like push through those difficult miles?
Dr. Evan Rudd:I never thought I would ever do something that hard in my life and nor did I really understand how hard it would be. Like, yes, I knew it was going to be hard, but I'd also heard about people doing a hundred milers and I'm like guys, it's only 46. I can do it, it's okay. But my furthest training run maybe my fault, maybe it's exactly what was meant to happen was only nine miles and it wasn't even a consecutive run, it was spread out throughout the day, so it was actually around the 10, the nine mile mark felt real good. Mile 10 hit, dude, my legs started cramping hard and I've had the water flowing. I had the camelback on some hand. Water bottles had electrolytes and I was like there's no way this is a hydration thing. This has just got to be my body in shock. It's never done something like this Mile 10 was rough.
Dr. Evan Rudd:It kept getting worse and worse and it wasn't just one leg Now, it was both. And it wasn't just those two spots, it was the entire leg. And that's when you found me at the end of the marathon mark. That was where it was the worst and I had to walk that that beginning of the second marathon. But thankfully we had an experienced ultra marathoner there that was like okay, this is, I need to take inventory of what's happening. She checked in with me. I was like, oh, I've been cramping for a long time. This sucks. She's like okay, we need to throw some food down the pipe and we need to drink a ton of pickle juice Saved me.
Dr. Evan Rudd:So I started feeling really good again on the back end of the marathon, when I first started cramping, I remember talking to Caleb and I was like yo, this is the worst pain I've ever felt and I can't turn it off. Even if I stopped moving, my legs felt like they were falling off. I started to feel really good, body was back in it and then we hit the 30, 36 mile mark. We had 10 more miles to go. We were on our way back and that's when my mentality started breaking. It was fascinating to observe. I'm a nature lover. I'm what you would consider a tree hugger. Right, I think it's just a part of who we are. I've never, ever genuinely thought I want to see the world burn, and I thought it that day. I was like I don't ever want to see another tree again. I hate this place.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah.
Dr. Evan Rudd:It was a reflection of how I was feeling inside and it was being projected out into my reality around me, and I see that happen often with just being a chiropractor too. If people are in pain and it changes how they respond and how they react and how they engage with the world and the people around them, and I got a taste of that. It was again fascinating to observe and I remember we had about a mile left and I was just. I looked at jordan and caleb next to me. I was like guys, we made it. We don't have to keep running. We can walk this mile and still make it with plenty of time. I'm done, I'm tapped, there's nothing left. And somehow Caleb and Jitro just didn't say a word and they just kept jogging and I'm like well, shit, okay, I got to keep jogging then Can't be left behind, yeah.
Dr. Evan Rudd:Um, but, and then I saw the finish line with my own eyes and they were just like see, we made it just keep running through and I actually picked it up from a 15 minute mile pace to a seven, 30 minute mile pace to finish, and I was just on fire.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah.
Dr. Evan Rudd:Then I finished, and I don't know why, but I just started bawling. I just laid down on the grass. I was like everyone knew not to talk to me, not to be near me. I was like everyone knew not to talk to me, not to be near me. I was processing something big, and it was just the fact that I've done the hardest thing I've ever had to do.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah, and it was by far, by far, it was crazy. So, like the like the mile 10 thing, like do you think like how much is that is of it is is like mental, or is it like your body like breaking down, or is it like just you're? You're just like not used to that? So are you kind of creating that pain or is that like your muscles are not activating or functioning properly?
Dr. Evan Rudd:Yeah, that's a really good question. I was like I said this is the, this is the hardest thing I've ever had to do. That's physical. So I got to see the evolution of how things break down and the order of which they happen, that mile 10 mark. Mentally and emotionally I was on fire. It was early in the day, I was hardly sweating, changed my shoes, feet felt great, literally just a physical thing, like legs were just tired. This is the furthest they've ran and they know they got another 30 miles on yeah.
Dr. Evan Rudd:Yeah, so that's, that part was definitely physical. And then that's where I thought like, okay, this has got to be the hardest part of it. If I can get through this, I can make it through the rest of it. Yeah, then the mentality started to like fade around that marathon mark where I was like I, I got nothing left. I've been cramping for 12 miles. Yeah, then, way back when I said I like I wanted to see the world burn, dude, that was physical has depleted mental, mental has depleted, emotional has depleted. Now I'm running on pure source energy like pure spirit.
Dr. Evan Rudd:It was wild but, that was. It was cool to see the breakdown and the order of which that all happened because it gives me an idea of like what other people are going through, and maybe not such an extreme case, but in a minor case they raised up.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah, yeah, crazy. What's your one big takeaway from that? You've learned from running that the ultra dude, anyone can do it.
Dr. Evan Rudd:Yeah, anyone can do anything. If any human has ever done it, that means you can do it. Yeah, kind of like the um ellie kipchoge, the. He broke the two-hour marathon mark. Before he did that, all exercise scientists, all biomechanics, all like the top of the top researchers said that it is impossible for the human to break that. It is physiologically and physically impossible for the body to break that barrier. He did it and then everyone started doing it. So, literally, if anyone has ever done anything, you can do it, I promise yeah.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy. So, yeah, I mean, just seeing you guys like run, that it just it kind of like motivates you to to like challenge yourself too and and honestly, like that's when, when the first day we met, when we were in the 15, like that, with the reason I ran 15 that day, was because caleb was like we're gonna, I want to do something hard. I'm just like in that phase of like I want to challenge myself, to do hard things or whatever, and like I'd just gotten back into running and I'd only run 15 miles, I think, once or twice before, maybe once you looked on fire and yeah, and and I was like okay, let's, you know, I'll give it a try, let's go Right. But yeah, you just kind of you get locked in and I mean the, you know, the, the pain is there right From from running and being on your feet for that long. But yeah, you can do, you can do perseverance.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah, Even if you just push push a little bit past like what I think, probably just I. I go back to like running and and maybe not as a certain example of like one one time, but just like training for for um half marathons, training for different runs, and now like starting to lift weights and stuff, like I've noticed that right, like I feel like we always have a lot more in us than we actually think we do. There's more juice there.
Dr. Evan Rudd:There always is. That's what I found out on that run. It was just example after example, time after time, where I thought I'd give up and I just somehow didn't. There was always more in the tank.
Donnie Hathaway:There's um, I was reading the book recently I can't think of the name right now, I think it was. I think it was from this book where they talk about we have like an unlimited supply of energy. And you know, even though you're feeling tired or whatever, like you you have the energy inside you. Like you don't necessarily need some caffeine or whatever to kind of boost you and get you to the through the day or whatever it is like you have a ton of energy inside of you. That's that's untapped. And they gave the example of like if something happened, like some extreme, like if you were like going about your day and you just you needed this boost of energy, like some extreme event happened, you could tap into that source of energy and pull from it. You don't need any additional resources or whatever. So I go back to like you know, training and running and stuff. Like we have a lot more energy than we give ourselves credit for.
Dr. Evan Rudd:I think the biggest piece to that just studying the nervous system and the human emotions and kind of developing a language for how I can better understand people's experience came through my own experience and something that I recognized that gives me a ton of energy. I was brought back to when I was a kid, where I remember I had one birthday. I was maybe 15 or 16. I was 16 because I was able to drive and we I had friends over for a little slumber party. We stayed up till like three or 4am doing everything.
Dr. Evan Rudd:We were playing football in the streets, we'd play manhunt at night, um, then we'd go and like play video games and watch movies and wrestle around in the rooms and then we'd get two or three hours of sleep and we'd wake up at six or seven am to get breakfast and go to adventure island together and somehow I was on fire. Just, I don't need sleep, I'm ready to go, I'm ready to have fun and I think the the, any kind of excitement or novelty, will pull that like last piece of reserve energy out of you, because it's just, I'm excited for something. I have to be awake.
Donnie Hathaway:it's almost like fomo, but it's the internal side of it I I think back to I mean like, just like trying to. So I I wake up at 4 30 if I'm going to go to the gym, like that's my time to go go lift, and so I wake up at 4 30 and it's easier when I'm excited about the workout or excited about something right, or even, like you said, like if you're waking up to do something that that is fun to you. Whatever that is like it is easy to wake up. It's not even like a thought, it's just like okay, I'm awake, let's go, let's do it you know what time is it 2 am.
Donnie Hathaway:Who cares um? Yeah, it's crazy all right, so let's, let's talk about, like chiropractic and and how you, how you even got started in that like, where did that come from?
Dr. Evan Rudd:that was, uh, it all happened by happens, happenstance, man, and even just looking back on it now, I truly do believe everything happens for the, for a reason and typically for you, at the perfect time that it needed to happen at. I went through all of undergrad knowing that I wanted to help people Didn't know exactly what my style was going to be. I explored a little bit of nursing, nurse, anesthetist, physical therapy, occupational therapy, speech therapy and none of it really landed. And then I got my associates from one undergrad school and then I switched over to UCF in Orlando and that's where I finished it out. In that move a lot of like relationships were broken, friendships were kind of lost to the wayside. I kind of packed up my stuff and left without telling anyone. I think it was me, my, my way of unintentionally creating a clean slate for me to get a bigger picture of where I was trying to go in life, cause I knew I wasn't going to find it there.
Donnie Hathaway:So when I got to UCF, were you aware of it during that time of like, trying to like, let me, let me okay.
Dr. Evan Rudd:No, I think I just needed. It's like when you go to the mountaintops it's just different than your everyday life and all of a sudden there's a lot more clarity around, like all that paperwork on my desk doesn't matter. Look at how big this world is right. So that just that, offering the different perspective, created a clear slate and I think internally I knew that's what was needed, but I wasn't conscious of that choice. So I got to UCF.
Dr. Evan Rudd:It was probably the lowest point in my life Very lonely, very depressed, unmotivated, no idea what I was doing, didn't have any social skills. So I had a very hard time making friends, especially like going into a college that you're already a junior in. You're already meeting people that have their click in their group. And I actually remember one day I played like I swear 16 hours of video games one day and it I just noticed it and I I was like what is this? Is this how life is? I hate this. And then a couple days later it was. It was like what is this? Is this how life is? I hate this. And then a couple days later, it was like one thing after another, they started lining up.
Dr. Evan Rudd:A couple days later I was going on a little walk around the apartment complex and I lived on the fifth floor. I had to walk up five flights of stairs and I was gassed at the top. I was like yo, this is not good, I'm in an exercise science program. This is not good. I'm in an exercise science program. This is not good for me. To be winded at the top and granted five flights of stairs never gets easy, but it definitely gets harder. And that's where I was.
Dr. Evan Rudd:Yeah, so it just started like sparking this concern and then I started going to try to exercise more. I started going to the school gym. I started I bought a like little box bike from dick sporting goods just to go out on the trails and ride my bike a little bit, and I started to feel a little better, but I was still so resistant to going to the gym and taking care of my health. So I started asking deeper questions like why can't I just take care of myself? Why do I keep coming up with all these excuses? And that's when I started to look to drugs more not no hard drugs, but like marijuana and it started opening my mind to this deeper side of life, where there's more than just this physical plane of existence. And I remember I didn't want to, like, keep smoking, so I Googled how to get high on your own supply.
Donnie Hathaway:That's exactly what you typed in. That's exactly what you typed in.
Dr. Evan Rudd:I swear it was so funny and I've never heard anyone say that it was just like an idea. I, of course, saw a ton of breathwork videos, had no idea what it was but and I didn't really have a an itch to do it, but everyone was suggesting meditation. So I would end up every day, if not every other day. I would take my bike to the park and I'd go into the deepest part of the park I could and there was this little bridge with a little tiny baby waterfall and I'd sit there and I downloaded this app called headspace, where they'd walk you through like a little 10 minute meditation and I would just sit there and I remember they said watch your thoughts and think about the clouds in the sky. Clouds in the sky are there now and they won't be in five minutes, same with your thoughts, if you don't engage with them.
Dr. Evan Rudd:And I just thought that was really interesting and I think that cued me into a lot of bigger questions, like what is life about? What is this internal voice in my head? What is this inner reality versus external reality? What is everything?
Dr. Evan Rudd:And I started getting really curious about meditation, buddhism, all these things, and I was like man if only I had a little monk mentor that could just sit here and hit me on the back of the switch when I let my mind wander and I was like that's just not realistic. So I got to be my own mentor in this and I started diving down into philosophy books and just kind of exploring with an open mind. I never really I'm not great with religions. I think I was more Christian when I was younger because my grandparents and my parents but we were more like Christer goers, like Christmas, easter, so I never really understood anything that was going on in religion. But when I heard about Buddhism it got me really interested and then I started checking out like all the religions, and I was just like there's a similar message here and it's just saying almost like you ever heard of the tao?
Dr. Evan Rudd:the tao, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah um talks about effortless effort, and if you just open your mind up to letting these opportunities come to you as you equally think about them, they will find you effortlessly. And again, it was all so perfectly timed. I was coming up on my last semester at UCF and I was about to graduate. I had no clue what I was doing. I had no job lined up and the last semester I walked into one of my first classes and there was this guy that was a chiropractor as my professor and he said if you guys want to come in to my office and check out what I'm about, check out chiropractic in the first two weeks of school I'll give you a free exam and give you an adjustment. See how it goes.
Dr. Evan Rudd:And I have never been someone that engaged in that sort of invite and for some reason this was the first one. I was just like I gotta go try this out. I gotta go check this out. Guy's pretty cool. So Dr Daniel Warner, I'll never forget him. He adjusted me or he did a few exams and, like, showed me some stuff. I remember my shoulder couldn't raise up like any higher than that. Great that I was pretty unhealthy in the first place. And he adjusted me and he goes see how high that can go. I was like, wait, what yeah, what is?
Donnie Hathaway:this what just happened.
Dr. Evan Rudd:Yeah, how does this work? So then I started asking more and more questions about my body and I just kept coming to see him. I was like I called my parents and I was like yo, this guy just offered me like a chiropractic care plan. I've never heard of it, never heard of chiropractic. I was 22 years old, never heard of it, I want to give it a try. And they were like go for it.
Dr. Evan Rudd:So I saw him weekly, saw massive change. But the change for me was different. I wasn't in pain. It was like that brain fog, depression, loneliness, lack of self-worth, almost and it just started clearing up where I became more and more inquisitive, I became more and more excited. I became more and more motivated to like, take care of myself. And one night he was like yo, palmer Chiropractic is where I graduated. They're coming to Cooper's Hawk. If you want to go to a dinner, it's free. They're just going to tell you about the school, give out little pamphlets or pamphlets or whatever you want. And I was just like, sure, I went, thought it was really cool, applied probably the next night, crazy, and got in and I was like, okay, there's the next step.
Donnie Hathaway:Wow, yeah, it was wild. How, how, how long of a time period was that from, like, the first time you met the doctor till you applied to chiropractic school? Probably? Two or three months because that was as long as the semester was okay, yeah, yeah it moved fast and that's again how I know.
Dr. Evan Rudd:It was just like effortless effort. Yeah, there was something to it. It didn't feel like work and it was just falling into place in front of my eyes. It's like I gotta follow this path.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah, it paid off, it's wild that you never had experienced chiropractic before, never ran into it. And then, just like timing, um of it all, I've I've talked to a few different chiropractors and it seems like they like the. No, I don't think anyone that I've that I've spoken with has like planned or wanted to grew up wanting to be a chiropractor. You know it just kind of like circumstances, things, their path changes and this opportunity is there and then it they gravitate towards it, right, for, for you know, many reasons, but it is interesting, do you think that's changing at all? Because I know, like the, the awareness around chiropractic right, like the, the openness to it, I think is is changing, is is, you know people are starting to utilize it more. Um, do you see that changing at all since you've been a chiropractor?
Dr. Evan Rudd:Yeah, you, you hit the nail on the head. A lot of people don't seek chiropractic. It finds those individuals that are placed perfectly in the world to be that lighthouse or that beacon for the people around them, except for the ones that come from a lineage of chiropractors. And those guys are typically fantastic chiropractors for years and then he became a doc and he's just taken off because he's had so many years doing it. To go back to the original question, there are more and more chiropractors out there and it's hard when you find a chiropractor that's passionate about what they do. The kid rarely grows up not wanting to be a chiropractor. You know, because it's like personally it's the greatest career out there, it is unbelievable. And if I lived in my truth and my passion and I lived out of integrity and my life was good as good as life can get, because there's some hard parts about it. But a kid would see that and be highly inspired. Be like I want to do what you're doing. You're helping all these people. You're the mayor of the town without being the mayor of the town. What is this? So they'd always grow up and want to be that. So I do think it's growing for sure.
Dr. Evan Rudd:What do you love about chiropractic so much? Oh, another good question. I think about the empowerment aspect of it. It truly gives people the power and the education about the fundamental. It's almost the user manual for the body. How do we have a user manual for our computer and our coffee maker? But we came into this world with the most complex technology existence has ever seen and we don't have a user manual for it. Nor do we really have the access to the information. We have to go through school, graduate school, to get that. And then we live in this world of technology where we have billions of search pages come up when you say what diet should I be on?
Dr. Evan Rudd:It's so overwhelming and being someone, being a chiropractor, that is integrity and embodied in what I practice and what I preach. It allows me to speak from a place of experience of hey, I know what you're going through. This worked for me. Try this before you do anything else. And typically chiropractic always comes back down to it's deductive in reasoning. So it's you have this issue. Well, let's not focus on this issue. Let's go back to the very beginning of how the body actually works.
Dr. Evan Rudd:The nervous system runs everything. It is the master control center of everything that happens in your body and it's designed to be perfect. Lifestyle choices, habits, society they all create this disconnect from man, the physical and man, the spiritual basically our highest self. So when we are having a hard time being healthy, we have these crazy diseases come up, we're in pain and nothing's really changing. We have to go back to the fundamentals of the nervous system has to be fully effective in what it's trying to do in order for you to even have a chance to heal anything. So it's so basic in its understanding that, no matter who walks in your door, I can help you.
Donnie Hathaway:Right Period.
Dr. Evan Rudd:Right, and it's. It starts there. It starts with let's clear the nervous system. Then you do have to go home and do the discipline and the the taking care of yourself part. That's the homework of it. Yeah, I'm not Jesus, right? No matter how much I want to be. I love my people, I want to help them, but I'm here to make sure that the nervous system stays clear and I'm going to give you every tool in my belt and I'm, as a human, I'm going to help you find your answer and what you need next, and I think that's really empowering for people. And to add to that, like surgeons, they're out there saving people's lives all the time. But there's so much risk involved in being a surgeon that you do a 16 hour surgery and you go, try to sleep and you're worried that that person's going through post-op. Okay, yeah, and you wake up and you just have your fingers crossed.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah.
Dr. Evan Rudd:I get to go home every single night knowing that my people are safe and better.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that the like when I first started seeing Dr Caleb, you know, it was just kind of like that, like I want to be healthier and that sort of thing, and it's, and it's progressed since I've seen him too, Right, and and like adding in the weight training and just different movements and stuff, have like I think really just like taking it up another level on like how I feel, how my mind is, like kind of throughout the day, and it's made it. You know it makes a huge impact. Do you guys see, I know like your practice, like what you guys do, is a little bit different than I think I think most chiropractor offices, right, but like, do you see a lot, like a lot of your patients? Are they like they're coming to you because an accident or are they coming to you because of of they just want to be healthier and be the best version of themselves?
Dr. Evan Rudd:Yeah, most people are coming to a chiropractor because there's pain involved.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah.
Dr. Evan Rudd:That's typically. That's just how people in society handle things nowadays Just go, go, go until you can't.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah, do something about it when that point comes. Yeah.
Dr. Evan Rudd:It's very reactive rather than proactive. A piece of that is just being educated on what proactive means and that proactive health is actually a choice. You can be proactive about it. You're just choosing to be more reactive, you know, and giving that education behind why and how.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah, yeah. Where do you see chiropractic medicine going in the next, let's say five, 10 years?
Dr. Evan Rudd:Like you said, we do things a little differently at the source.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah.
Dr. Evan Rudd:I think this is what we call the new gen Kairos. I think we're onto something. Yes, it's getting away from the doctor patient hierarchy, it's getting away from treatment of things and it's getting to this place of relatability between someone that has answers and someone that's seeking answers, so it's no longer so divided, it's I'm a human being present with another human, and I'm not invalidating your story. I'm not saying I'm sorry you feel this way, because that inherently points to that there is some way that they should be feeling it's wow, that must be so hard. I can't imagine what you're going through. Or, if you can imagine, you just say like little things that, in your own language, say the same thing that they just said or make assumptions on. Like I was talking.
Dr. Evan Rudd:I watched a Joe Rogan podcast and he was talking to JD, the new vice president that Trump wants, and JD was talking about the day Trump asked him to be vice president and when he said yes, joe was like, took it a layer deeper and was like yo, how was that? Like how much in that moment when you had that phone call, how much was going through your mind. And then, right after that, how did things change? Like how was your day to day after that and I think Joe is a master of communication and connection and showing like he is understanding of where you're coming from. He's an example of where I think chiropractic is going to be going soon just the presence, connection and validity of other people's experiences yeah, like is do the way that americans think about health care, like, is that changing and and shifting towards that?
Dr. Evan Rudd:Oh my, God, I hope so. I hope so. Yeah, there's some really good professions out there, like naturopaths, acupuncturists, herbal medicine people. There's so many good professions out there that are working towards helping people just handle life a little better.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah, like more preventative, like you just get, yeah.
Dr. Evan Rudd:But there's also just this mass amount of people that are still more reactive than proactive about their health, and I think it's that threshold. So once enough people start being preventative about their care, the whole table will start to turn.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah.
Dr. Evan Rudd:But right now we're still climbing towards that threshold.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah.
Dr. Evan Rudd:Most healthcare people are moving in that direction.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah, and I think I've seen this in some insurance companies too, like health care insurance, like they're offering incentives or whatever for preventative care maybe not to like go see a chiropractor, like we'll cover that cost, but like we'll offer discounts if you're healthy or maintain this level of health, or whatever. So they're get people to think about being preventative.
Dr. Evan Rudd:Yeah, well said the, the insurance game is tough because they just try to dictate, like what your care needs and right. Cause they aren't doing the exam.
Donnie Hathaway:Right.
Dr. Evan Rudd:They didn't go to school for anything and yet somehow they have the ability to tell you what they're going to help you pay for and what they're not.
Dr. Evan Rudd:The wellness is the right is a step in the right direction. I genuinely think we just have to change the definition of healthcare. Healthcare is not taking care of your health when the wheels have already fallen off. Healthcare is taking care of the health right. It's easier to keep you healthy than to get you out of disease or fix your pain right. Let's make sure that you stay healthy.
Dr. Evan Rudd:That's the easiest way to do it. I think one of the philosophies in chiropractic is disease is not a thing or an entity. It is the lack thereof, it is the lack of health you know, and it's just a sign of symptom of that so yeah, we can take care of our health yeah the more that definition changes, I think the mass understanding of proactive health would be changed yeah, that makes sense.
Donnie Hathaway:You, when you look at like your health and and like what are you doing to be the healthiest version of yourself, Like what are your your pillars? Or, like your, the main things that you're focused on or that are important for you Basics yeah, Absolute basics.
Dr. Evan Rudd:So again, that's one of my favorite parts about being a doctor is that it means teacher, and if I can live my experience, I get to teach that. What I know to be true is that if you focus on the basics, you will see change.
Donnie Hathaway:And what are those?
Dr. Evan Rudd:basics. So mostly movement, mindfulness, nutrition and recuperation. If you can hit all, I'll add a fifth one in there Community Movement you have to do. It's just what keeps our body moving. Motion is lotion, movement's medicine. You have a better understanding of where your arms are in space. When you move your arms more often right, it's a skill you will feel better. Everything will be nice and loose. And then we have the mindfulness part, where we have to pay attention to how our thought patterns change us. If you're in the gym and you're trying to bench press something heavy, you're just like oh, this sucks and you're pushing through it.
Dr. Evan Rudd:That creates this massive stress response through the entire body Just you saying this sucks one time If you are bench pressing and it's just not going well, but you go, yes, and you finish it and you rack it. It doesn't do that whole stress response thing. So I think, paying attention to your thought patterns and how you live your life a lot of self-reflection. Make sure that you're on the right growth path and spending time how you want to do, make sure life is fulfilling that's a big piece of mindfulness. Nutrition, pretty commonplace nowadays in society of just we need organic whole foods. Yeah, the closer it is to its raw form, the healthier it's going to be for you, the more it gets away from that. Like, even just cooking a zucchini takes it away from that raw form, even just a little bit yeah take away or diminish the the vitamins and nutrients.
Dr. Evan Rudd:Yeah, yeah so organic whole foods. Most of the time, I like to say you can have your cake and eat it too. Just balance. And then the recuperation is something a lot of people struggle with. Surprisingly, a lot of people think of rest and sleep when they think of recuperation. But to give an example, if you're out with the boys or out with the girls one night, you're not thinking about the responsibilities you have as an adult. You're having fun in that moment. That's very good for your mental and physical well-being, right? So teaching people recuperation you do have to have fun in life, you do have to have a little like aha, wonder and excitement like what fills your cup up, like what?
Donnie Hathaway:what do you enjoy doing?
Dr. Evan Rudd:yes, yeah, yeah, you have to have that yeah, and that's why it's same with like food you have, you can have your cake and eat it too. So, personally, uh, I move my body somehow some way every day, uh, whether it's just swinging a kettlebell around for 10 minutes, that's like my bare minimum, uh, or I go to the gym for two hours. It's like my my upper echelon day. Yeah, uh, nutrition is pretty basic. I found a good routine that works for me. My go-to is is eggs, sweet potatoes and ground beef. Dude, I will have this. Is that your breakfast?
Donnie Hathaway:That's a lot of meals for me, every meal. That sounds like yeah, I love we started doing pan fried. Leah found this recipe, my wife. We slice up the sweet potatoes and it's just like a garlic salt and pepper seasoning or something like that, and you just grill them and fry them in the pan.
Dr. Evan Rudd:A little bit of butter and they're so good, so good, so good yeah, those are sweet potatoes, and uh, yams are actually really good for testosterone too oh, okay building up the male hormones okay but yeah, so that pretty much stays clean. I have a smoothie a day, so a lot of fruit I'll put, like spinach and peanut butter and greek yogurt in there for some extra protein and stuff yeah um, for recuperation.
Dr. Evan Rudd:Man, I love video games still. I know I said it earlier, that was where a lot of my childhood came from. It's hard to put them down. It just it lights me up somehow. Uh, so, making sure that I still have time to do that. It's not every day, it's when I have time. Sometimes it's 10 minutes, sometimes two hours. I'll just take what I can.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah.
Dr. Evan Rudd:And then the. The mindfulness is one of my favorite aspects of health. A lot of people call me pretty shot out and I have a lot of weird questions for people, but that's because I'm always exploring this inner reality.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah, it's like what is everything? You know, I'm I'm a big philosophy nerd, so it's like that post you put out on or the story you put out on social with like the um, the different universes, or like the amount of universes. It's like insane yeah.
Dr. Evan Rudd:It's my favorite, I love it, but it takes so it takes a lot of reflection. Sometimes it's breathwork, meditation it's more often breathwork, and then on, like big days, journaling Journal about whatever you're trying to focus on.
Dr. Evan Rudd:So, for me, I've I had a very hard time socializing as a kid and even as a young adult. Now that I'm in a professional people business, I need to communicate really well, so a lot of my stuff is based on communication. So I'll take time every night or every morning, whenever I can, to reflect on what I'm focusing on.
Donnie Hathaway:Go hang out with Dr Evan. Yes, awesome man, appreciate you being here, dude. That was fun. This was awesome. Yeah, cool little flow. Yeah, I like it. We'll do it again it we'll do it again, please.
Donnie Hathaway:I would love to. Can we get like caleb or d-trail in here too? So, kate, uh, we, caleb we talked about that last time. We were like we got to get like the three of us in here, or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we might have. I don't know what we would do with that, with that episode, but like, yeah, we like I the the one caleb that that's coming out, uh, will be before, before this one's posted, but um it, when we went for I think two hours or something like that, wow, that's go.
Donnie Hathaway:We just sat down and we just kept going.
Dr. Evan Rudd:He's such an easy guy to talk to.
Donnie Hathaway:Yeah, for sure, Sweet Thanks man.
