Ever wondered which titan of history or scripture you'd invite for a cup of joe? This episode brews an intoxicating concoction as we muse over coffee dates with the likes of Moses, Abraham, King David, and Daniel. Imagine sipping espresso with Moses and chatting about the weight of hesitancy when a burning bush speaks, or pondering with Abraham the strength it takes to hold faith when the stakes are unimaginable. We tip our hats to David's journey from pastoral fields to royal thrones, and Daniel's graceful navigation through the politics of captivity, drawing parallels to our own modern-day conundrums.
Striding forward into the epoch of powdered wigs and parchment, we raise our mugs to George Washington's prescient stance on presidential term limits, a testament to the integrity of service over self. As the voices behind the PsychinTheo podcast, we offer up our personal exploits and the fusion of faith and wit that steers our ship. Join us as we set sail on this maiden voyage, charting a course through leadership virtues of yesteryear and today. No guests needed for this roundtable, just your host's anecdotes and insights ready to stir the pot of discussion on pooling resources, and laying the groundwork for what's brewing in future episodes.
Ever wondered which titan of history or scripture you'd invite for a cup of joe? This episode brews an intoxicating concoction as we muse over coffee dates with the likes of Moses, Abraham, King David, and Daniel. Imagine sipping espresso with Moses and chatting about the weight of hesitancy when a burning bush speaks, or pondering with Abraham the strength it takes to hold faith when the stakes are unimaginable. We tip our hats to David's journey from pastoral fields to royal thrones, and Daniel's graceful navigation through the politics of captivity, drawing parallels to our own modern-day conundrums.
Striding forward into the epoch of powdered wigs and parchment, we raise our mugs to George Washington's prescient stance on presidential term limits, a testament to the integrity of service over self. As the voices behind the PsychinTheo podcast, we offer up our personal exploits and the fusion of faith and wit that steers our ship. Join us as we set sail on this maiden voyage, charting a course through leadership virtues of yesteryear and today. No guests needed for this roundtable, just your host's anecdotes and insights ready to stir the pot of discussion on pooling resources, and laying the groundwork for what's brewing in future episodes.
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Speaker 2:
All right, I'm not coffee.
Speaker 1:
If you would have? Yeah, that's a good one. Okay, If you could have coffee with any historical figure, who would you choose and why?
Speaker 2:
Now let me ask a qualifier, because I just said this book of the Bible thing, Restriction. Are we talking biblical characters or non-biblical characters? Obviously, Jesus is off limits. You can't.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, we'll have our dependent heaven.
Speaker 2:
I would say also Paul is obviously off limits too. You can't choose Paul, okay, but are we talking like any biblical characters, just historical?
Speaker 1:
I would say yeah, I think when I was saying we could do one historical and one biblical figure.
Speaker 2:
Okay, maybe let's do that Okay. Yeah so you want me to go first? Yeah, once you do. Well, you do one, I do one, then you do one, then I do one. Okay, I'll go back to that.
Speaker 1:
Okay, okay, all right Biblical figure I'm thinking Old Testament. I was debating between Moses and Abraham. The reason I was debating between those two is because with Moses he was kind of put in the position where he didn't want to carry out the mission or the direction that God had given him. I understand that for him, because he felt incapable. He starts addressing his fears and his limitations and so on, and I think for me I had the mentality where I would downplay certain characteristics about myself because out of fear of not being able to succeed or not be able to do well. So I think I related to him in that. But then reading through with Abraham or his story, just the whole idea of sacrificing his son and how that was the replication of what God was going to do with Jesus, Right. So what would I have done had God told me go and sacrifice your son, I don't know if I would have been able to do what Abraham did Right. So he got ready next morning, took his son and they went up Mount Sinai.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Yeah. So anything that people can do that I would have a hard time seeing myself do, I can really appreciate that and I admire that, especially when it's good, when it's something good and beneficial. So I admire that about Abraham and Moses even with his weaknesses, being able to lead the nation of Israel.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
So I talked to him about that, okay.
Speaker 2:
Okay, that's a toss up for me between David and Daniel.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, david and Daniel yeah.
Speaker 2:
David being. I don't know. I just get this feeling that David is just a little bit different than what we imagine him to be. You know we have a lot of material on him, but I would just want to ask him like did what anything he knows? Like he's portrayed as very courageous, but he's also terrified in the Psalms and I. I don't know like I would just want to sit down with them and Ask him like do people know how scared you are right now?
Speaker 2:
Yeah like or you did you hide, did you keep all this in until afterward? Yeah, I don't know. Just like I would just ask him questions like that, yeah, or like you know Goliath, like you know that whole situation that holds it like were you just, I mean like you were brave, but Was like, did you not feel, yeah, yeah, very, very, very interesting thing so, and also he was different, going from Teenage or young boy to man, to king.
Speaker 2:
Well, you know yeah, and there's something interesting here too, because you know, when he's, when he's older, you know as a king or well, he's not yet king, I think he's still on the run, but at some point he's called like he's a, he's a handsome guy and he's a, you know, ruddy kind of attractive. But when he's younger, like he's the, he's the run of the, of the litter of Jesse's. You know family, and Samuel says at one point None of these sons are gonna work. You know, oh, like what a man looks on the outside but God looks on the heart. And so something about David, when he was growing up, just wasn't Physically appealing, wasn't Something that caught people's attention. I guess Wasn't just like he was young, he was young. So I don't know. I'm just interested in that transformation in his life. You know that's a good one, daniel. I would say I'd I'd be interested to talk to Daniel, not just before. Like what did all those dreams mean? And I'm like, what does the 70 weeks mean, daniel?
Speaker 1:
What does the 70 weeks?
Speaker 2:
Like I would ask, I would really want to sit down with him and ask about how he learned To be a patient diplomat in a land that wasn't his, among the people that wasn't his. He's been his whole life. Well, you know, when he was a teenager is when he's taken off to Babylon and he's, he's basically made it unique at that point. But at least we can, you know, pretty much deduce that like he was made at Unick and he's in the king's court as this, you know, wise person and he's.
Speaker 2:
He rises to a level of administration and two empires. That takes a person who's incredibly patient and doesn't lose his cool, knows he, knows how to use his tongue wisely dealing with very powerful, ego maniac kind of people. I Would just want to ask him like how?
Speaker 1:
yeah, yeah how?
Speaker 2:
how do you do that yeah?
Speaker 1:
I like the yeah gosh there's so many that we could think of, I'm sure. But I like the point that you made about David, because you're right, it's as we see him, as boy, young, man, king, and there's then there's the Psalms, and from a, you know, counseling perspective, I'm thinking to myself I'm like to be the strong one. You can't expose your weaknesses.
Speaker 1:
At least that's what most people believe, right, and there's this whole push in culture to be vulnerable. Yeah, when you're in a position of authority like that, if you're vulnerable, then you're seen as weak, right? So I wonder if he struggled with that, because we see it in the Psalms, right, he's cheers about his fears and his angers and everything, but he didn't act like that. His behavior was the opposite of that. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:
Well, he says in different times you know there's Psalms that talk about Absalom and it's war with Absalom, others that are referencing Saul and how Saul is trying to kill him, but then there's others that he's just talking about, like Corrupt people around him. We give people around him that are trying to spread the net, yeah, or dig the dig the pit for him to fall into.
Speaker 1:
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:
I just find that really fascinating.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah, no, I like that. There's good ones, really good ones, and we're covering a lot here.
Speaker 2:
So historical figures Okay historical figures.
Speaker 1:
Oh, I, I have to say this one, and I don't know if he'd be considered a historical figure yet, but I have thought about this a lot and there's still living, still living, oh, okay, yeah, still living.
Speaker 1:
And Again, because I can look back at history and I have presidents that I would talk to, you know, when the early, early founders, theologians I think of St Augustine. So there's a lot of people that I would think of. But because it's relevant, because it's still possible, I Think the person that I would interview would be Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2:
Oh. Because you know you still can, actually.
Speaker 1:
That's why I said it's possible that I can reach out to him and get a conversation going, but it's yeah. I mean he this is weird to say Changed my perspective, or, yeah, my perspective and approach to a lot of life things. When I was a teenager, I would play basketball, was the shortest kid on the court, so I had to make up for that by being a good shooter or a good passer, and the reason why I was able to continue to do that, despite opposition, was because of the mentality that he had. Is you go in there, you got to prove yourself, and that's how I see myself. Even though he was given all these, this attention coming into the NBA, he said I had to work for my position and that's kind of how I approached Basketball. It was I don't care if it's a mismatch, I just want to play, and that that was my mentality. So for him, when I see you know the last dance, which is his docuseries on the last finals, winning all the championships, it's being able to. How did you get to that mindset? He'll attribute a lot of it to his dad, who attribute a lot of it to his mom.
Speaker 1:
That you always take a negative and turn to positive, so a lot of the way that he's approached life have been things that I've adopted throughout the years and I have have to try to learn to discern what's biblical and what's not. But for the most part the principles in the in and of themselves Are just standard principles. They're not anti-bible or necessarily aligning with scripture, but they're just mentality, mental states and approaches. So I would definitely want to sit down and talk with him and just hear more about how he gets to that level of discipline, because he, he, he would say I wasn't the most talented, I was just the most disciplined because I practiced every single day. So to have that type of dedication to do what he's done as a basketball player and to impact really the world in that sense is Is something that we like to just kind of hear from him specifically. So on a, from our earthly perspective, if there was someone I'd be able to interview be Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, fascinating. Yeah, okay, yeah, I struggled with this one because it's like you have you got, you know, the Eminem song. Yeah, one shot, don't miss a chance. Yeah, I like who would I talk to and why you know? Yeah, like, yeah, some figures I ran through my mind. I'm like, well, the reason I want to talk to them is because I want to change the future. You know like they'll be more than them about something hit there. No, no, I think, boy, it's like what are?
Speaker 1:
some in general kind of like what I said. Like you know, there would be some presents. Something loads that think of some offers but I ended up with this.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, yeah, I Think I would want to sit down with Thomas Jefferson. Hmm, okay, I like Thomas white. Thomas, yeah, I Would warn him about some things. No, I just like you won't believe what we've become, not true? I think? I think so. He is this in the, in enigmatic figure in the founding. Obviously, he's indispensable. He's often maligned unfairly in our contemporary culture, but he, you know, he, everyone knows him as authoring the Declaration of Independence and helping to write the, the Constitution. But he, you know, along with James Madison I mean the two of them I Think I would just, I would just want to get like, okay, what's your opinion on this?
Speaker 2:
on this on this, on this, and then come back to the future and be like listen. Thomas Jefferson believed this yeah. But I think just trying to get his understanding of where he he, where he finds himself in life.
Speaker 2:
Hmm, as you know, something about him that I always Is struck me is when he writes the Declaration of Independence, he the language that he the original draft. It was much stronger Anti-slavery language that was in the Declaration of Independence. But in order to get many of the southern colonies on board, he had to modify that language and there's actually a really good article I wrote. I read about this. I can't remember some history anthology book about the fatal compromise, jefferson's fatal compromise, where to win the war you needed these colonies on board. But in order to do that you had to modify some of the language around.
Speaker 2:
Hmm around slavery and so. So when people say, you know, the American founding Wasn't perfect and we, but we're trying to live up to those ideals.
Speaker 1:
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:
This would be an example of that where In Jefferson's mind the ideal was to get rid of slavery but he had, he had to Modify that compromise with southern states, including his own state of Virginia. You know, he. I forget where I learned this and history history people correct me if I'm sure they're gonna go correct me if I'm wrong, but they will. In Virginia during that time you couldn't free your slaves until you died. And Jefferson actually frees his slaves when he died. Now that doesn't mean he was always an upstanding guy, but but he, he, he was. He could not just simply free his slaves while he was living they had. He had to actually free them when he was when he died, Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:
I thought that was just a really interesting fact when I learned about him.
Speaker 1:
But yeah, so he's just this enigmatic figure.
Speaker 2:
Yeah that's really important to our country's founding. So I would just sit down with them and ask him all kinds of questions about the issues of his day.
Speaker 1:
Mm-hmm, I like it, and you that book that was telling you about the 5,000 year league. One of the points that both him and Madison Consider as they were drafting this up is the evils of man.
Speaker 1:
Yeah that man's desire for power is gonna be what's gonna lead to the corruption of the principles. So they were very aware, which is why they have all the checks and balances right. Yeah, so it was very Insightful to see how that was. A strong point in their argumentation is that you know I forget what the statement actually was, but you know, a fallen man are no better than than angels or something like that. But but they were very concerned about if you let man go and get so much power, they will become evil. And it's exactly, I mean, that's what we're seeing right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, washington made the statement of you know, I'm only doing two terms, because one of the things that people will Eventually do is that if they start doing this for money, they are going to pursue that and not the good of the people. So he wanted to limit the amounts of money. Now people do it in a lot of different corrupt ways today, but they had the principles that it's just a matter of following them. So, yeah, friends, thanks so much for tuning in to our launch day episodes. We actually released our pooling episode first and then published the shorter episodes where you learn about us, our why and how. Our life stories, perspectives, faith and even humor Influence how we discuss these various topics. We have plenty more short episodes like this for you to enjoy, so feel free to click on the next episode.
