Personal Grow | Cory Russell | Commercial Cultivator & Host of Resonate Radio | Lecture 110: Setting up your dry room for success!

Congratulations you've made it to flowering! Harvest is right around the corner. Time to get your dry room in order. In episode 30: I got to have a conversation with Cory Russell about the cannabis industry and setting up your dry room for success.

Setting up your dry room for success is a step not to skip or cut corners.  You've worked your ass off to get to this point. Believe me there is nothing worse than spending 6 months growing just to have dry weed that smells like hay.

There are a lot of gems intwined in a conversation between two dudes in the cannabis industry. But I hope you find our past successes and failures and learn from them. I know I learned a TON!

Special shout out to Tad Hussey the podcast host of: Cannabis Cultivation & Science. Thank you for leading the way and creating such an informative podcast. Thank you!

Resources:
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Cannabis Cultivation & Science Podcast

Transcript

Cory Russell

[00:01:36] Charlie: So I guess we've got to begin where we always have to begin, which is how did you start your cannabis journey?

How old were you? I don't want to know about the first time you smoked, unless that was something like, she's some huge epiphany, but I want to hear that journey of like how you actually led to. 2021, jumping onto a plane to Portugal and [00:02:00] starting to do some operations out there. Tell me about that journey.

[00:02:03] Cory: Yeah, so like the first time I did smoke, I have to mention just like the premise of it, because it does have the long view on it when I did yeah. Cause we had, for Canada, and so we had this kind of change here where things became legal and then you could really come out of the closet if you wanted to.

And so that was, there was definitely a defining moment where it was like, okay, I really don't have to do the regular jobs anymore. And I can just really tell everybody about what's going down with me. And so when I spoke to the first time it was with my cousin and another close like family friend.

And I know like I actually still remember specifically where the park is, what neighborhood it's like a 25 minute drive from where I am right now. Oh, wow. It didn't really get too high the first time. It's important to know that I was with my cousin, for sure. And that was a big thing cause he introduced it to me essentially.

I knew that it wasn't too scary. But my mom always told me how weed or cannabis is just dope. But [00:03:00] hash is the good stuff. So that's the, that is the world that I grew up in as my cannabis journey going through as a teenager going, yeah. Does it make sense? So I know that's wrong.

I just knew that whatever she told me at that moment was wrong. And I know, you're supposed to trust your parents and everything, but like that definitely stands out as a little bit odd even to rookies. I definitely, I tried it a couple of times in high school, I think just honestly, out of spite of my parents, just to really, my mother and my stepdad, just to really Hey, it's not actually that bad.

Yeah, exactly. It's sneak out at night time when everyone was sleeping out the window there. Cause I had a little front room where I could get away with that type of shit and go hang out with the fucking baddies and smoke a couple. And it was just a really good experience. Like it was chill.

We weren't like destroying anything. We weren't being like bad. Like the worst thing I was doing was like sneaking out against my parents will and whatever I'll deal with that. Yeah. I was more focused on being an athlete at the time. That was really my [00:04:00] focus. That was what I saw was my way out from the situation that I just didn't feel comfortable in being at home.

So I really focused on baseball and football and, ran with that. I was so paranoid of testing positive for an NCAA task cause that's really where my eyes were. So I just, I really wanted to stay on that line and that just made sense for me, I was focused. That was the program that worked for me.

So I really didn't have too much of a connection with cannabis. During that period of what I think is actually a good thing. I definitely want to say as, a principal managing partner of resinate cannabis smoking in your teenage years might not necessarily be the best might not necessarily be detrimental.

I think, I was still a little bit more data, but not the best, I didn't start smoking. Full time until I was, 19, 20 years old. And so I think that's also an important thing to note because you find as we talk, I kind of love cannabis a little bit and it's, I want to talk and Charlie when I mentioned that to people, they, it catches them.

Yeah. Art a little bit where usually most people that they meet, [00:05:00] it's been this thing where, it's been ingrained through the whole time, but for me it wasn't right. So I really found cannabis when I got injured in my journey to be that athlete, to do that I was really focused on becoming an athlete for Washington state university or the university of Calgary.

I'm up here in Canada. And I got injured in the process. Traditionally I was a safety and a tight end for whatever reason, I decided to do a punt. My first and only Putin return in ever playing in my big career I thought that I pulled a hamstring. I got tackled by a couple of guys.

Didn't really like, whatever that, whatever it was, a dislocated hip I S I joint shifted and did a 180 her needed a couple of discs in my back, and I couldn't feel my left leg for nine days. And so it happened right at the end of the first half. I thought I pulled my hamstring, like I said, it's, I got a little bit of stretching done, and I played both sides of the ball the entire time.

And that's also, obviously what compounded a little bit, cause I was punting safety, tight end. It's just like it's high impact all the time. And I [00:06:00] played like John Lynch was my role model as a football player. And if anybody doesn't know John Lynch, he blurs his vision and he aims for the third person that he sees.

So like I'm a negotiating, leading people, I'm putting my head down, which is a very dangerous move as we now know. And I was just obliterated people. Having that high impact, turning, pivoting, it just, it definitely continued to make the situation difficult. So yeah, I had to I had to deal with that to say the least and, jump through those hoops of going through the hospital system getting fed Demerol and morphine.

I had a mainline, straight injection Demerol going into me every four hours. They were also giving me these morphine pills, oral morphine pills. And then in Canada, what they like to give is Tylenol threes tell on a three with coding is like the magic. The magical thing to do here.

Americans get Vicodins, we give Tylenol three with coatings, it's the exact same thing. And so taking all of these things has a reaction with each other including an also [00:07:00] an anti-inflammatory that we had, I was on like four or five different scripts and yeah, I was not made aware that they reacted with each other and what are you going to do when you're in so much pain, you can't take the painkillers and, you're having other issues.

You have to look for other options. You just don't really have a choice. I went straight to cannabis because that was the only thing that I knew. It was the least impact thing and the easiest impact thing that I could find. And that's where it started, man. I just started picking up off the random plugs and Vancouver trying to get some sort of relief because I just could barely move.

Wow. Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah, it was wild, man. That's sad. Did you get 

[00:07:41] Charlie: your, you definitely got to reset or at some 

[00:07:44] Cory: point, right? Yeah. Like I had to move to California for that. It was really, it took me like a year, almost a year of trying to like navigate that where, I had this really important opportunity from a friend that told me like, Hey do you want to come and move to California?

I went to [00:08:00] visit and he's I'm not moving from here for a year. And you can get a tourist visa. So come down here and figure it out for a little bit, the weather, it's not doing you any help. And it's about to be winter. I was like, yeah, that's what I'm worried about is, the cost of physical therapy and the cost of having that.

I know everybody thinks that, oh, Canada, free health care will news flash, and still in order to get better, I don't get covered for that stuff. Without the job and with all that stuff, I was still trying to get physiotherapy, massage therapy, acupuncture, fuck fire. I don't know if anyone's ever heard of that before, but that's a thing they're like put the needles in you and then light matches and heat up the needles.

Yeah. I've tried some things, practicing 

[00:08:37] Charlie: chiropractors are not cheap. 

[00:08:39] Cory: Yeah. That was really, something where we looked at and decided that California was probably the best option for me. I had access to this medical program that I had no idea existed. Like I knew California was, loose on cannabis, but I had no idea that I could actually get a recommendation from the doctor at that time.

That was totally, it was just the good old days. I five, 2004, right? [00:09:00] Yeah. And old days, that was my introduction. And so that's like why the journey really continued. There was, that was my medical dive. And that was my true spiritual connection with the plant, like really started there was going to dispensaries in west Los Angeles and up in Topanga shout out $45 cap on the eighth, much left.

Cause you guys, we know 65, $70, 45, 8 

[00:09:25] Charlie: hookah. 

[00:09:27] Cory: Yeah. It just, again, dude, those were the glory days of two 15. I got it. And concentrate. It was cheaper. And so that was a whole other game too. Like it just wasn't like the flour was already a thing. Like I remember the first time I smoked granddaddy purple and I was just like, holy fuck.

That's it. I finally can like. I can move. I don't feel my back that I've been able to feel for the last two years. What is going on? This is soup. 

[00:09:54] Charlie: That's funny though, because I actually smoked granddaddy per for the first time [00:10:00] in Tacoma, Washington from a Canadian hookup in 2001. So that's super funny that you came down here to get the grand daddy prayer.

[00:10:10] Cory: You put GDP on crumps though, because that's like the thing to do. So it was perfect. It would do the thing. You don't think it was a real deal? Probably not. Yeah, but that's a whole other topic for a total other day. Cause I was, we were, I was just, I just was having the center resonator, but cloud we'd literally just talked about this with Dr.

Anna Strava, she did a paper on the genetic markers and went to different dispensaries and bought, yeah. Kevin dog, like she did all these different, fucking fascinating. And you can just go through the markers and you're like, wow, there is some variation there. Whereas just and then at the same time, it doesn't answer questions in a whole other anyway, I can.

Yes. Yeah. I'm so fresh on that word right now, it's yeah, it was really interesting going into California and having that ability, there's over 90 different strains or cultivars that are on the [00:11:00] shelf and, go at it. And that was a thing when I got there, the budtenders told me there's 90 different things on here.

We can only help you to a point you need to become informed. You need to educate yourself like the power is in your hands. And that was just, it was a totally different experience. As far as health care was concerned and it was eyeopening and it was helping me. So I dove head first into it. And that's really where it began from a medical patient, man.

I was helping at the dispensary and two guys came up to me and liked the way I talked and said, Hey, do you want to learn how to grow? They're like, it's taught me aeroponics for the first time I was building like 10 to film rooms and like 30, 40 plants instead of my LA county, limit.

And I was like, let's go 12, are you kidding me? Let's let's go better. I 

[00:11:42] Charlie: didn't do the thing where you just got all your roommates together and you all had scripts. And so you're like, oh, we could do 40 plants. We can do whatever we want. We got 

[00:11:49] Cory: scripts for days. Yeah. It's so opposite. It was like, people weren't allowed over to the house.

Totally opposite is the way we operated, we were totally in the smart way to [00:12:00] do it at all. The funny part was, and it was like visiting friends and, up in central. And I was like having people post on my Facebook indicating that I'm still in Los Angeles, it's it went that far and it's just, that's why I find it so funny to like, see all these Instagram is, and everybody being like, yo, look at my buds, yo, that's super weird and stuff.

[00:12:22] Charlie: You sure you want to post that 

[00:12:24] Cory: you, why you want to be friends with me on 

[00:12:27] Charlie: Facebook? What's going on here? I don't need a plug. Thanks anyways, but 

[00:12:32] Cory: Hey, it's yeah, it's something I get used to, it's that nice transition. So that's really, where the journey started and really, it was enhanced was by that kind of group of people and yeah, coming back to Cali to Vancouver, I called California home.

There's a Freudian slip that happens frequently. But when I came back to Vancouver, like dispensary's were just becoming a thing and having a locked door between product and the entryway was not even a thing. So there was like a [00:13:00] crazy value proposition that I could add. Cause like large scale cultivating was just straight gorilla and I was not ready to jump into that at that point in time.

Retail seemed like the thing to do. So I began the retail journey through it and like connecting with those people and, having that experience which was really I think a life changing one for me. Cause I got, I had the ability to meet all these people that, product that I was producing before, yeah. I got to interact with them a little bit in LA, but not like this. Not like this at all. And having them come repeat customers and trying to figure out what was on the shelf to still help them out in the best way positive, possible. So I was really fortunate that the group I was working with, allowed me to sample a lot of stuff.

Cause I was like, they figured out that I could sell ketchup popsicles to women and white girls. And so like when you have that, like you want to support that. And it was just, it was a money train, man, lineups out the door. Even like I would change locations and people would still go to that location and follow me, even though it was completely out of their way.

And would add 20, 30 minutes on their drive. People literally in fucking walkers with [00:14:00] multiple sclerosis, like walking fucking blocks to see me instead of the five blocks they're making like a 25 block. Wait what do 

[00:14:07] Charlie: you think was the main reasoning behind that? Were you the buyer for these places?

And so just the product that you were putting on the shelf or was 

[00:14:13] Cory: it the relationship with them? Monkey? Yeah, it was monkey man. I was bud tender. It was the relationships with just the community people and just like being like, again, like I want to fly under the radar. There's like this huge thing with a lot of people who have opportunities like me who are.

I really want to boast about them and really want to talk about them and, to each their own, I can respect that to a point for sure. But for me, I really, I like to eat your lunch silently if I can quiet quietly at best. And so I just move in the background and that was really just a super humbling experience to just be a bud tender, make, not the best money, but I was still able to live and just make that connection with people and understand like what that health trainee was and why it brought them [00:15:00] to us.

And so I had so much fun with that. It was just, it couldn't let it go. I just couldn't let it go. And yeah, I continued to I moved to Toronto and helped them move, open up chains in another city. We opened up seven locations in a couple of months. It's like sitting in minus 30 minus 40 degrees Celsius.

Cause I'm just. Protecting our property. Cause we're still like constructing it. And we have product onsite and like someone needs to be there. Like someone needs to be there to accept the product that's coming in. Cause we were supposed to be open the month before I got there. And you're accepting these giant boxes from Canada posted like this empty building in minus 30.

Like it's just like weird stories. But I helped paint that place. I helped build the shelves for that place. I helped put up the glass, we moved 

[00:15:46] Charlie: those cannabis packages that you got the first day, 500 times while you're building out the rest of the facility. 

[00:15:52] Cory: And we got into that building.

We had the mid-level of that building in Toronto. When I saw that building, I said, I want the whole thing. There was a comic book store in the bottom [00:16:00] floor and somebody was renting a residency in the top floor. The comic book guy was getting more business because we were there, but it wasn't enough to pay his bills.

So he left. So once his property was vacant, we took over the base. And I turned that into a little production house, because if you only have one entry way, it looks a little heat score. When the one person keeps bringing your product. So literally like a trap house, we drilled a hole in the floor and people were passing me up product from the basement to the mid floor.

So I could put it up on shelf and eventually the people upstairs, couldn't deal with the hustle and the bustle. So they left and we opened up more tills in the top side. And we had the dream came true in a couple of months, man, we got 12 tilts up and running. We were one of the busiest shops in the city by a long shot.

So it like it was just a wild ride. Like the adrenaline was just too much for how many years 

[00:16:53] Charlie: were you doing that? 

[00:16:54] Cory: That went on for three years. Two and a half. Three years. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. [00:17:00] It I guess three years. Yeah. Yeah, it was a ton of fun. I left a couple of other jobs to go really pursue that full time.

At one point I was working my day job. I was getting up at five o'clock in the morning doing my day shift, and then I didn't really have a starting time at the dispensary. I just, whenever I got there, I started working. And then I closed with them and I get home at about 11 30, 12 o'clock at night, and then I do it again.

And I did that for six and a half, seven months before I was finally like, okay, I'm pretty tired. Yeah. So I'm going to fly with that pretty retail 

[00:17:36] Charlie: crazy. That sounds like so familiar to opening. And running a bar like your experience as a bud tenders, really mirrors in a lot of ways, my experience as a bartender, and I think that was one of the things that always been like for me, is that just that community building.

And that's why I always wanted to have a bar in my own, my old, my hometown. [00:18:00] And there's just something special about that, but not as special as what a bud tender can offer. And I think that's the thing that I am so excited about in my new stage and like my new evolution of being able to do, providing cannabinoids and alcohol to people I think is such a, it's just more of a therapeutic medicinal thing where there's no intrinsic value besides the community that you build at a bar.

And that is not something to like. It's not something to take lightly. People are very loyal to individuals that they meet, like yourself who remember their name, remember what they like, have conversations with them, evolve with them, hear their stories what's going on in their life. If you think just sitting down at a bar is just to eat and drink, what are you doing?

Just do that at home. Like the reason you're out is to be part of the community and to see people [00:19:00] and to have that. And, it's so clear to me after the pandemic, that is the case. And it's just so interesting for me to be in some convictions. To say, I'm not going back to, the alcohol trends and bartending again and getting back into that, like I needed to flip a page and make it about cannabis.

I know I'm making it about me, but I want to hear the evolution of this because it's so interesting to see someone who has that bud tender, retail experience and background, what led after that? Cause I know there's gotta be there's some more shifts happening that I know now are happening in today's life.

So catch me up. What happened 

[00:19:38] Cory: after that? I love cultivation, right? And so that's something that just stayed on the back burner throughout the whole time. That's something that you've acknowledged again, I don't like to talk about a lot of things in that way and I'm learning to open up a little bit more, but that's just like the culture that I'm from.

And so of course it's you want to tell the spiritual connection I learned in California was just something really special and I can't [00:20:00] help, but not share that with as many people that. If you want to listen to it and you want to like really go down that path yeah, I will totally, pass that on because I feel like a great debt of gratitude to do that.

I would be letting everybody down in the state of California who inspired me to do anything like that would just be, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't help and press that on. And so that's like the really fun part that I get to is that people actually think I'm from California until I say, sorry.

Or a literally they just, they are so sure that yeah, I'm from there because of the way I talk and about my experiences and how it impacted me so profoundly that it's just, it really resonates that deeply with me. So yeah. Passing on some of that to the folks up here was always good, but like I said, primarily that dispensary experience was like, I knew that was a front lines experience that just had to happen.

Yeah. It's at that moment where it's I was like, I didn't [00:21:00] consider myself being an activist this entire time or being like civil disobedience, which it kinda was like, it was, and I just thought that I was just doing the right thing. Yeah. Has it been until like now, or I'm going through this like interview process with a lot of people and they're calling me like activists and saying, civil disobedience and it just didn't really ring in until the, after the fact.

So that's how it was just like automatic, like when I went to the red cross, I knew that I could get free training on every single thing that I put my hand up for. That was the deal. As a red cross employee, you can go to all the trainings for free sign up for fucking everything. That's awesome.

Everything like, I, just learning CPR wasn't good enough. I had to become an instructor and then becoming an instructor. Wasn't good enough. I had to become an instructor trainer. I couldn't just be a disaster worker. I had to read the book on how to be a supervisor. And then after supervisor had to learn the book on how to be a manager and do that in the field to be [00:22:00] the next thing was that, like I learned this, I had the opportunity to be in California.

I had the ability to learn from all these people. So push that forward. So when I was in Toronto I met my wife in the dispenser. Which is a huge, like turning point for me, of course. She was one of the budtenders that the first location that we opened up in the Kensington market get in Toronto and, that was where I really, we met through, but she's not a citizen of Canada.

And so in order to do the green card process that we had to do, we had to make sure that our jobs were completely in the legal area. And so that's where the evolution took. It's real. I do not believe that I would went in full time cultivation. I'd probably still be in retail if that moment didn't happen.

Okay. Got it. I had to get out and make sure that again, it wasn't getting get arrested. So I went to sales jobs in education, which was something that I fell back on before. So it was on my resume because, noticeably, I had a three-year gap on my resume doing the dispensary thing. And, I could mention retail, but [00:23:00] it was a slippery slope.

Toronto, it's a little bit more financially centered, so there's a conservative underbelly there that you just, it's not Vancouver. You can't just go, Hey, like I worked for this place and I did this and 98% of the time of Vancouver oh, that's awesome. Tell me more, you talk about more than that in the interview.

Whereas Toronto is a thin ice, so understand that a little bit. And I went through that education sales perspective. So I did that and I just chilled there and realized it isn't going to be that. It's not going to be that stop denying like your passion, because I'm still like reading about growing.

I left my sales job to go take, I thought it was going to transition and fuse cannabis with technology. I was working at a technology school and so they had UX PD, a user experience. And. I can't code for shit when it gets to like have difficult math equations, which coding is I just, I stop and there's a mental block that comes up and it just doesn't work for me.

So I knew coding [00:24:00] wasn't it. But, UX seemed like it. I could talk to people, we could do research together. I could build wire frames and peace and quiet and technology really needed to be in the cannabis industry. We have ERP systems. We have see disabled tracking systems that need to work for growers.

They can't just work for, I don't even know, like they need to be a piece of technology that works for both parties involved. And that really seemed like a natural, swing for me as I'm going through my UX course though. The tents were going okay. And. I started listening to tad Hussey's cannabis, cultivation and science podcasts.

And if tan hasn't figured that I've literally been pitching him everywhere around the world, like I know he sees the lessons from like random parts of new Brunswick. I know seeing the lessons from Portugal, Israel cause I can not stop talking about this podcast, but it really flipped me over.

It flipped me from that, I mentioned like they taught me how to do aeroponics and it was always a hydroponic kid. And so going to the [00:25:00] store and buying things in bottles. Was my natural progression. Now I'm listening to Jeff Lowe and fellows. I'm listening to Tom Wilson. I'm listening to that crazy motherfucker, Clackamas coot, who I love you, Jim, like you are so smart.

Like I've actually played the Clackamas coot episodes, just for friends who come over to my house because it's just like hominy, like it's gems. He's so smart and being so comical at the same time. It's just you can't. I love you, Jim. Anyway, 

[00:25:31] Charlie: Alan Atkinson and just all these people, it's just crazy. The amount of information on tad Hussey's podcasts is literally I don't even know how to put it into words, how much it changed.

Just my perspective on so many different things and Shango Los another one shaping fire. It was a huge one for me, just in terms of cannabis education. That's so interesting. You say that. So I have to ask what year was that when you found . 

[00:25:58] Cory: So that [00:26:00] was, that would have been in 17 20 17.

You found it early. That's awesome. And oh yeah, like there was like nine or 10, maybe 10 episodes maybe yeah. Maybe I don't even think there is that many. And so yeah, I was harassing tad almost every day, emailing them back and forth about random things and just trying to understand this and it just totally flipped me on my head.

I felt completely re-invigorated. And so I was going to the library for the first time, like 30 years, getting Jeff Lowe and fellows books, teaming with nutrients teaming with microbes team with Fung and just like I was going in, Todd was recommending the lean farming book, go in and get the lean farming, a book, all of it.

Yeah. Absolutely. And then there's, Nelson Linslee and Jeremy plant fuck, I got to meet Jeremy at one of my facilities and I almost fainted fangirl over it. Cause it was like, holy shit. You're literally like honestly, no offense Nelson. Yes. You're a very smart guy. I love you, Ryan Lee, super smart.

There's a whole bunch of other people [00:27:00] that I'm missing there. I know, but like I can listen to Jeremy nonstop every day. Like Jeremy, just talk to us brother and you are so smart. It hurts me sometimes. So listening to all that, just really, I knew that technology wasn't going to be the thing.

It wasn't going to be the thing. I was more focused on the plants. I was so excited to finish that education. I knew that I had to finish. I can't start something and not finish. That's something that's with me. And so I finished that. I did my project. I actually did a cannabis journaling project.

This is how resonate cannabis was born. Nice. So this is how important U X was. I actually went through that idea because I wanted to resonate with everybody. That's how it was born. I did all the logoing, all the, wireframing all the prototyping, resonate cannabis. Wouldn't be a thing if I didn't take that UX course, if I didn't know how to think outside of the box and become a little bit more creative and just do that branding thing and [00:28:00] that, that's literally the best thing that came out of that, which has turned into be a fairly decent idea.

It's, ah, it was just, and that's at the time too where my cousin passed away. And so cousin that helped us for the first time he had this party overdose basically is what happened, which was really upsetting because we just had another cousin who passed away a year prior to that.

And she had issues for a long. Yeah. So we found out about that just suddenly. So we really looked at my, I, I still still look up to Kiana, even though it was just such a hard experience, but she was one of the best softball players in the nation. Then she won MVP at nationals.

She had full ride scholarships too, like for choice, she was a beast and she got in a car accident a couple of weeks before she was supposed to go to Oklahoma and we found track marks and she was pregnant. So everyone's world just totally fucking flipped, flipped. [00:29:00] All of us were stunned. And so we were dealing with this for so long and, unfortunately, the fentanyl crisis just gets into the drug supply here.

Yep. And definitely took her out. And I flew out for the funeral, did all that sort of stuff saw Jared. That's the last person that I fucking thought I would be any sort of, so he just yeah. Had too much hosted the shit on Facebook. He fucking posted pictures of a chair, like you see fucking, bricks and movies.

Yeah. Like it was there on Facebook for all of us to see, loads of pills, housings of them, stacks and mushrooms, just everything. And then the quote it said by Abby, by which I'm pretty sure that was a missed a typo by baby by and yeah, just like the fucking freak out of like family members being like, we need to call the fucking ambulance.

Like you see it like happening on screen, it's fucked, it's so fucked. [00:30:00] And there was fucking two people that were with him and they didn't even tell the truth because they said that they did mushrooms and they left them in a field. Like he wasn't found in the field and toxicology didn't come back with any psilocybin in his system.

So fucking tell me more. Yeah. So it's even like the circumstances around it, which pissed me off that have never been truthful from the beginning. And it's just like watching all of that. Was it so painful? So that was it. I was done. There's no fucking way that I was going to go into some stupid sales position.

There was knocking to go deal with a computer and sit in an offer thing more. I was doing things in the dispensary to change people's lives. So get your fucking big boy pants on and go do it. So that's what he did completely ditched all that shit, dove into cultivation. And the rest is history. The rest is history.

I like hustled. Yeah, I hustled. I like I, man, I maxed out credit cards [00:31:00] to go to job interviews. I like going on planes to go to places and was just like, yo, I know how to do this stuff. Yeah, I understand that. It's like a lot of like black market closet experience, but like I've got the education.

I'm going to quality university. I'm doing this. As I'm talking with you, people taking greenhouse management, I'm taking cultural practices, taking soil as I'm learning all of the horticultural stuff, because I'm going to fuse my stoner knowledge and come up with real science. We're going to knock this shit out of the park.

Yep. Yeah, that's really, I was like, there is one, one funny moment in particular. I remember where I rented this car to go on three job interviews that day I'm in the west part, Southwest part of Ontario where it's just, greenhouse central operator central for license. And, I went to one place.

We had a really good conversation. They actually wanted me to stay and help them harvest, sorry, folks. But I got to go to these two other places. I adore you a [00:32:00] time, but I got to go to these other places. So I go to the next place and, talk with them, went pretty good. Grab lunch.

As I'm having lunch. Another place a recruiter calls me from two provinces over and is do you mind getting in a plane tomorrow morning for an interview? Sure Tober 30 October 30th. Okay. I remember this specifically because I don't know if you've ever flown through an airport and Halloween yeah.

Oh man. There's something unsettling about being boarded by a clown. Let's just, that's very 

[00:32:33] Charlie: unsettling,

[00:32:34] Cory: really hilarious experience. So yeah, I, I drove all the way through. I had another interview after I got home at seven, eight o'clock at night pack my shit and went to Pearson airport and got on a plane and went to do that, to get on an airport again at night to go home. Like I was not just like sending resumes and trying to become, a large-scale called the Vader.

I was like doing it. I know some of my shops out here where, a hundred likes. Going, I [00:33:00] had some experience, I was able to transfer. It talks about with some of the small 

[00:33:03] Charlie: amount of lights. That's a 

[00:33:04] Cory: lot of lights. It's not like this thing. Nope. It's a little different, so I did have, it wasn't entirely just closet stuff.

And then being in California from those experiences, there's out, we weren't doing outdoors. So I couldn't talk about that again, it was all a lot of indoor stuff. So that was really that transition was convincing them that it could do indoor and yeah, somebody you finally, really just believed in me and paid for me to go further across the country to a little tiny place called Libra.

And I became a flower supervisor at the time, the largest indoor facility in the country, 460,000 square feet. We started out where they only had four flowering rooms and we expanded to 39 by the time. And I was only there for a year. Okay. We had 39 rooms halfway through that experience fucking 

[00:33:53] Charlie: mental.

[00:33:54] Cory: Oh man. It was a, yeah, there was some funny problems, but like when you move through [00:34:00] that many plants at that rate, you learn things and you have the ability to develop your skills at a rate that is just, it is and comparable to anything. And so that was really, even though we were doing errors, it was, that was the important part.

It was a training ground to understand like what was going on and, being the only person that really had any sort of large-scale experience as the evolution of the staffing went. It was, incredibly wonderful to be on the frontline with the chief growing officer who didn't have a background in cannabis.

And so having that kind of tip tat that back and forth where, I was able to learn some things from large-scale horticulture. I was able to really understand in combination with my university education that I was going through. And then what was actually happening on the ground folded in with California.

Like it was, oh, synergy. Yeah. Wild experience, man. And we had over 80, 80 people that were on our cultivation team at one point that I was doing the morning meetings for, I had whiteboards everywhere. [00:35:00] Yeah, I'm super neurotic with organization charts for project management, seeing progressive things with TVs and, a large scale operation.

That's how that cultivation journey. I know it's taken 40 minutes to talk about the journey, but yeah, that's, it's, it was a long one for sure, to try and really figure out like where am place would be. And that's where, I really just stepped into cultivation and sat there for higher hell water and, try to figure out what's going on.

Cause at the same time cannabis cultivation and the corporate level is difficult. It's really soul sucking. I wasn't enjoying it. And it was just a proper way for me to part ways from that facility and really go out on it on my own, and so that's where I made the journey and that's where I'm, sitting back on the west coast here, we traveled in the Dodge Ram with my wife, two cats and, a couple of different hall configurations on the way through, but we came all the way back to Vancouver and, it took some contracts out to, in the Oakenoggen and worked for some LPs out there and, really made that decision that okay.

The Canadian cannabis industry [00:36:00] is really in an interesting situation. And I think that they need to shake it out for themselves for a little bit. They really need to figure out west here, if they want to go with people that actually know how to do large scale versus really being in the closet.

I love the west coast, but that's really the difference that you find is that there you're really like, they appreciate the value of the legacy grower and the traditional grower, but it almost might be to a fault because we keep hearing about these people taking, 12, $15,000 a month from these companies and they have shit to show for it.

At least if you're giving me 12 to $15,000 a month, I'm banging 30% THC. And at least a 3% terpene, more so four to five, but. And it's with different teams that are in facilities. And so that's just the part where it's I feel really bad for these people where it's like, they still are making the same mistakes or they're still hiring these people.

And then, even making the decision to hire somebody like me in my position and then just get rid of them. Cause they don't believe in them within three or four weeks because it isn't that same vibe is that the best way to put it you have to in your room and you have to [00:37:00] see what your grams per square foot of that is your large-scale measurement.

If you're going in there and talking about how much money per pound, you can get to it. I appreciate that conversation because it used to be there and I know where it comes from, but the pivot for the better of all of us. And it's that's where you can really find that delineation in the language of the different growers that are currently on.

Right now. 

[00:37:23] Charlie: Yeah, that's really interesting. I think one thing that I'm hearing at least is just, you bring a certain ethos, morality and transparency and ethics to your growing and certain standards and SLPs that you would put in place. And sometimes you just, in those first couple of months of working with an organization, all of a sudden, you're going to find those moments and be like, Hey, I'm not pivoting here.

I'm not cooking. This is the way I approach this. This is the way I do business. This is what I think we should do. How do you think about that? Oh, you don't like that. You don't want to go that path. Okay. [00:38:00] Bye. It's not going to work 

[00:38:02] Cory: out and I've had to deal with the federal regulators. I've had to have those conversations.

I've had third party audits come into. I've had to deal with KPMG, right? It's not just oh, my inventory supervisor didn't give me the right numbers. I'm being back checked. Yep. It's a publicly traded company. These numbers have to be accurate or we're in trouble. Nevermind. The federal requirements, which are, just saying fine or criminal penalties.

So yeah. 

[00:38:29] Charlie: Yeah, no, there's the compliance side of cannabis industry, regardless of where you are, is a, it's a moving target and it's just a minefield and you really have to have your shit dialed to be able to, get through all that. So I want to take a moment. I, your journey has just been incredible and I know where to think.

It's going to go later on, but I want to take a [00:39:00] moment to just talk about it. What on earth were the takeaways from that experience of cultivation. And, as I've mentioned, this whole collaboration with personal grow is such a fun one, because it really is allowed me to, talk with individuals from the beginning stages of seed selection or going with clones or that whole process.

And now here we are down the road, we've worked our butts off to keep this thing alive. And, if it's your first time grilling, just dialing watering correctly is the biggest challenge that you could face really in those early days. And so congratulations to all those who are listening to this, if you've been following along, I'm so proud of you, you've made it to the stage where we're literally setting up the next stage of your plant.

And please take this. This little warning, this little [00:40:00] caution note that I'm just about to red alert or red flag or whatever you want to call it. If you don't do this next stage and find a place to play, to harvest your plants and have an idea of where you're going to store them. All of that hard work is going to go down the drain.

And the last thing you want to do is be a week before you have to harvest and not have it ready. And that's one thing that I'm going to eat just wanted to preface this conversation for a moment, because I, I had the honor to be working with enough people and to have learned from the growers for so long.

That was the stage where I was like, okay, All of my homeys who have grown and have helped me out throughout this time. I need you now, my plants are looking good. I'm getting close. I'm looking at tricombs under a jeweler's lamp and I'm just loving life. I'm just smelling and things are going great.

Now it's okay, let's get serious. Where are you going to put all of this? And how are you going to make that [00:41:00] work? And, you have something right behind you. That is a great option for a lot of people, especially with the price of tents these days. It really could be a good drying room for you, but so yeah, I want to start it off with, are those lessons learned from so many years of cultivation that really just, getting back to the basics, and then, leading into that, that drawing and curing space and how do we create that for success?

[00:41:24] Cory: Oh boy. So two parter. Yeah. The first one also might be another episode. There is there's so many things that we're learning lessons. Resinate cannabis incorporated was supposed to be a micro cultivation licensed producer here in this country. And, the experience at that facility made me just become a consulting firm by myself.

Not by myself. I definitely have a cool team of independent consultants that work with me who are, subject matter experts in their own. But that's what that experience told me for sure is that there are some books of [00:42:00] errors that are happening all the time. And these companies that continually want to hire people with agricultural experience of 10 years plus.

Keep on making that same mistake. I love you for it. It gets me paid at the end of it. And you're going to end up talking to me, shortly hereafter. I always see those people getting bought out, let go, whatever the case may be. The arrogance of agricultural folks inside of the cannabis industry is definitely as bad if not worse than my colleagues who also like to swing themselves as far as ego is concerned.

And so that's also been a learning lesson in there. And again, why, I'm going to plug it again, but resonate. Like we want to resonate with both sides of it. There should be a connection between big agriculture and these growers of cannabis who have been there's lessons that we can learn from each other.

Yeah. And when we can both come to the table and understand. And have that common respect for each other to [00:43:00] have those conversations. That's what needs to be happening in these grow rooms. These big guys shouldn't be being, let go after a year, they shouldn't be being bought out after a year. These cannabis growers who are traditional growers, who are legacy growers, whatever the term that you all want to use with that, these people have a lot of value and they also should not be being, let go in that short amount of time.

And so that has really been a giant learning experience for me inside of it all is, one example that I'll use is, having easy ratings that are higher than your pH, it's not a good thing for the cannabis plant to be doing that. And we should be adjusting that. Having to have those simple discussions, you shouldn't really need to be horticulture guy or a cannabis guy to understand what.

The potential effects of having a higher ISI in your water, then your pH yeah, so that's [00:44:00] where it's just you can see the stubbornness from both sides. I just don't want to make that conversation happened in the middle. And that's really the frustration thing is that we need to be here to work together because as if we work together, we're actually all going to make money.

And I know that's such a weird foreign, different concept, unique concept idea to some people, but that's just what I've evolved to. And that has led me in just inside of this calendar year. I've been in Canada, United States, Columbia, and in Portugal, just because I have that sort of attitude. That's awesome.

I'm really would love to meet other people who have that travel schedule, because I think that they probably have the same mentality as me. And, I want to talk to you more because I think again, that collaboration is probably going to lead us to go into more countries, whether it not even buy together, but we're going to move forward.

And that's why I've just again, [00:45:00] put Canada on the shelf a little bit. Y'all need to figure it out. When one of these cannabis companies can actually firmly say that we don't need to hire this person because we believe in that I want to see your financial statements. Where have you made money in any of these quarters to be so confident in that decision making process?

Yep. No Canadian company. There's only been a couple, we've had like thought profits here and there. I think there's been four quarters in total, entirely in three years of legalization that we've had a profit from people. So there's something not working correctly within it, and that kind of, attitude needs to change.

So I learned a lot from that to say the least and that pivots definitely. And you are drying and curing because, even at that level, we couldn't get the basics of having our room prepared. We had a zero day cure time at this place. And so when you don't understand the bright, see that's a good pivot, when [00:46:00] you can't do the basics, and that's why, when we, I talked, I was like, okay, you want to do this large scale conversation or small scale conversation because you're going to realize how similar they actually are. It's about figuring out what you're going to do inside of your space.

I've seen brilliant spaces being built. There's no fans that are built inside of there. There's no dehumidifiers that have been placed in that are there. And it was like, okay, folks. So we're doing drying. How are we going to remove the human dryer? We all know how a dryer works. What are we, how do we facilitate that process of getting rid of the moisture?

Okay. I don't even want to say that because I just want them to understand what the process is in a way. It's c'mon, it's you just spent, you made the authorizations to spend all that money. What happened? That is a clear sign of just okay, that sounds like a great idea.

And he just signed off on the check blankly, how much 

[00:46:53] Charlie: is this going to, how much are we going to make 

[00:46:55] Cory: from this? Yeah. My perspective where I've, if I'm at home, I make sure that I have [00:47:00] that controlled environment. So I'll use one of these tents just specifically for that. Is that like the best use of turnaround time?

No, but is it going to guarantee not guarantee, is it going to make sure that I have a good crop. Yeah, you can lose your, our efforts in your growing period if you don't do this correctly. So it's entirely up to everybody else. If they want to, do the harvest process. And really, I'm not even going to talk about, whether you're doing a wet tremor or a dry trim, I'm going to leave that to everybody.

I'm not even going down that direction. 

[00:47:29] Charlie: That's another, 

[00:47:30] Cory: that's another episode. It's however you get them into that drawing phase and you feel confident about that and you're getting that consistent product and do that, that's really the recommendation, but you can't do that unless you have a stable environment.

If you're, sitting in like a room like this, why do I want to compromise the entire room just for drawing the small space. So it makes sense to do that investment. It makes sense to have your proper airflow that's in there. Having your carbon filter, I've got a carbon filter that does, 16 times the [00:48:00] space.

But it's in there and it works, it's on an adjustable speed, but it makes sure that we're regulating that temperature. So I think the other thing in not only preparing that space and, buying a tent or, if you want to. Two by fours. And if you want to get some Panda film from home Depot, like you're a preacher.

I love you for that. That's 

[00:48:20] Charlie: hell yeah. Mean my first one was in my garage and I literally just got that black plastic and I just stapled the shit out of it to the roof or the ceiling of my garage and just, made my little den and then, had my dehumidifier air conditioner here in California.

Definitely need that. Cause it's getting super hot. But yeah. 

[00:48:43] Cory: So that's the thing I want to timing of buying your materials realize when you're going to be doing that drawing thing. Don't, if you're in the situation where you need your air conditioner, then go buy your air conditioner at that point in time, there's honestly no point in buying an air conditioner.

If you're trying to dry in December, [00:49:00] no, what 

[00:49:00] Charlie: you need for the time of year that you're harvesting, we hear, following the normal seasonality of the cycle of we started this way back in, may the supply be coming out sometime in like September, October, late September, I think is when we have the schedule, because, that's that phase where actually, I think it's even earlier September just to make sure we really have you ready for it.

And it's a fun experience too, but I think the other thing to be said about that just to also help people put your head around it. If you live in California and you're trying to buy an air conditioner on a heat wave month in the end of September, because you need to have your dry room ready that by tomorrow, you're probably going to be fucked because all the air conditioners are going to be gone.

But if you started like a month ahead of time and you went and looked on Craigslist and you found one for 20 bucks, you're stoked. And that's what I'd highly recommend to people is just do, you can always go the route of, Amazon buy a hundred dollars, 10 [00:50:00] with a carbon filter, and that's going to set you up for this, but like at the same time, be crafty, have some fun with it, not everyone's going to do what Corey does or what I do. And I think I, that kind of came through to me of you're all gonna find your way, you like to do it. For me, it was very systematic and I had to have, the strings and everything had to be laid out and, but that was just the way I handle the things I do.

I'm very systematic when it comes to breaking down things like that. And I just love that process. Yeah, let's go into that a 

[00:50:30] Cory: little bit more. So like a stove. Yeah, the stealth tip that I have. If you can buy your air conditioner in the winter time, by your heater in the middle of a heat wave, there will be deals on them.

For sure. If you go into the stores in November and December, they're strangely going to try and get rid of their air conditioners. And I know we all don't have the foresight for that. I totally understand that, but maybe you just want to buy a cheaper one in the pinch and you'll now hear [00:51:00] that and remember, okay.

When November kicks around, I'm actually going to spend a little bit of coin and get the right unit for the job. So just a fun fact tip on that one. I always, try and do it the river. So you will find deals for sure. You're clearing inventory. Yeah, I'll throw that out there. I think the other big thing, is often overlooked and, it's whether you're on wires, if have fun like I do.

And one of my projects, we tried to find a. People who are like professionals in indoors. And I've had this idea for a moving rack. And the only thing I could think of was a garage door. Sure. So I went and for a guy who builds garage door, like literally the nice builder and figure a motorized railing system so that we can put those racks and just, yeah, I have it motorized and oh man, we also did it with the lights, by the way.

We also, the lift was so good for the dry rooms that we actually got them to build a lift for all the light fixtures in the room too, so we could fly [00:52:00] anyway. So you know, you don't have the obviously go to that like craziness, but whatever your method is for hanging this, if you decide to get one of those, I know, instead of the bakers racks, where people like to chop their buds and then put on the little trays there they'll offer find those big cloth Nash.

Yeah. Those mesh things with the buds on there, however you choose to do it. Air airflow flow, PS air flow divided by air flow equals airflow. They, you can definitely overkill it. You can under kill it. It is extremely important to make sure that you have a consistent airflow, whatever you choose your speed.

Just make sure that it's consistent. You're going to see on your environmental and controls and it hope you, anybody who's listening does have some form of environmental sensor in their tent for this. I use ink birds because they just connect Bluetooth. They go to my phone. They're pretty easy.

I know there's also the hobo data loggers that are really nice. The little, they look like little high ground [00:53:00] meters as well. You can just put them in there. They do a great job, monitor what's going on and watch your parameters. I think that's really important because. If you rip that airflow too early, or if your humidity is way too low in the beginning, the plant is going to break down the chlorophyll faster.

And if you want your cannabis to, degrading quality and tastes like, Hey, that is one of the best ways to do it. Yeah, as soon as I walk in on day one, I look for that smell. And if it smells like, Hey, I know I fucked something up. I know for sure that if I'm going to, I'm going to open up my ink bird and wait for it to sink.

And as soon as it finished thinking, I'm going to see that my humidity was out of spec or our shit. I put the fan on too, instead of right. 

[00:53:48] Charlie: Yeah. That was the thing I had. I had trouble dialing in. I had that was the first time he used like a charcoal filter or a carbon filter w along with dehumidifiers and air conditioners and [00:54:00] fans.

And I said way too much air flow. And it was just like dried him out super fast. And that was actually the same year. There was they actually it was the year after 2017 fires here. And so they were doing like these blackouts. I know there's actually was a black. Yeah. I think it was just blackouts that they would do.

And just totally just shut her down for 48 hours. When I harvest it, I was like, things happen. I think that's the fun thing too. Guess what? I still got high. I still love the experience. Was I bummed? Yes. Will I learn? Hopefully will I fail again? Totally. But that's totally fine.

And I love, we had this Joanna silver on, she just was just this lovely person that came on and was talking about sexing, but she's you're the beauty of failing has been. That's how, you're a gardener and that's when you try again and you just keep doing it. And I think that's the beauty of this process.

It's so cool that we're here talking about how to [00:55:00] cure perfectly. It's like aging wine correctly, it's there's an art form to it. And there's some people out there that do this perfectly and can spend, 12 months curing their product. And it's amazing, for those people out there that are just starting, this is really good advice.

Like I literally would say to you, if you really just want to make it as simple as possible, try to go get it, grow tense. If you can afford it, they're so inexpensive on Amazon these days. It, I think it would be something that you would benefit from, in a lot of different ways. But if you want to really continue doing this over more than just one harvest, that's what I'd recommend.

If you're just trying this for the first year, maybe you've got like a bathroom you're not using or something like that. And you can just hang some racks on. The shower bar or whatever whatever's clever, but I think, what I've loved that you've said is like, it's, whatever's clever, but also plan for it.

And it just because you're doing in a bathroom, doesn't mean you can't, [00:56:00] throw a air conditioner in there. And do you humidifier, like these are things that you can go get on Craigslist for a couple 10 bucks, 20 bucks, whatever. And they work and, it's if you have the more money, do it the right way.

But I think. End of day just saying airflow, for sure. Airflows huge. Spread them out, whatever they're on. If you have it on a string, a lot of people use like clothes hangers hanging a couple and kind of get that weight just right. I love to do that. I love to do the method of giving your branch where you just have that little clip off.

So it creates a V and you're hanging it. And you just have these little nodes that are somewhere between six to nine inches long. And that's just how I do my little node to keep going on a string, make sure they have distance between them. As Corey said, you want to get your air flow going.

But I think I'm now controlling that Ironman, even getting just as you were saying, like a hydrometer temperature gauge, that's a really easy one to get on Amazon. And those are another great one where it's just. This is, a [00:57:00] little hydrometer, you can get a couple of them, so you can get different points of the room.

And that was a way that I was able to control my humidity and temperature. In Fahrenheit, what would you recommend for a temperature and humidity for people to try to stay in what range? 

[00:57:18] Cory: Yeah, this is all this is the fun part of it as well. I know that people have their own opinions too temperature as I really believe that humidity is going to be more important.

Obviously temperature is important to a point, but the humidity and the way that, like that bandwidth of moving that up and down is really your key. The other thing that why it works together is that, you know, if you have colder air. You're going to hold less humidity. And so there's also that balance with the temperature and the humidity, the synergy there.

So that's just what I want to mention within there. I usually run a little bit colder in Fahrenheit. I like, I probably, I guess I probably drop it down to [00:58:00] about, I think 63 is one of the lowest 62, I'll say 62 is the lowest that we've, I'd probably go down to enthuse. And again, this is in the beginning.

Like I like to bring it downwards, so I definitely don't mind starting at a 66 and then gradually bring in and then down down the cooler temperatures. Yeah, for sure. I really do bring it down a little bit. Like I said, 60, I think I might go down and just trying to see what 60 is probably going to be my lowest at 15 degrees.

60 is about it, but for me again, like I'm my temperature. Doesn't concern me as long as I'm not above. Sorry. I was just about to give you conversions. I 

[00:58:40] Charlie: totally do. You're looking at conversions. I love it. I appreciate you doing 

[00:58:43] Cory: that, dude. I appreciate you doing that. 68 is that's where I know that I'm like creeping into possible danger zone, but I just I'm more concerned about humidity and really what is that percentage?

How low is that swinging? Because, I just want to make sure that my flour dries for at least seven [00:59:00] days, hopefully 12 to 15. And so as I've done that measure, my parameters have changed. Like when I do that process in Toronto, it was different when I was in new Brunswick versus also being in Vancouver.

So even though you're in a growth tent, that outside environment really that's the play going into it. Yeah. So that's what I feel has been my biggest it's if I mentioned that I hover around 20 people initially that's a little warm, but it's I've tried to dry in different climates at different latitudes.

And there's these kind of these bandwidths where I know that some of this stuff actually works a little bit, like some of that stuff that you read in Jorge's book or Ed's book or Greg green or whoever it is, it's general guidelines folks like the, work with what's going on inside of there.

Yeah. That's really when it comes to, that's why I get really nervous about throwing numbers out there. I think it's good for general guidelines, for sure. No doubt about it. But when you throw, like you should be at this at these days and you should be at this at these days. And that's where I go.

[01:00:00] No, because you hear people that, they're talking inside of those parameters, but they drive there. I've heard of some people drying for 30 days. Okay. I'm not even going to go, not even go into how possibly that might not be good. And the degradation happens at a certain point, whether you want it to, or not.

I digress on that, but science will prove me out versus bro science on that one. There's that delicate balance where, you're talking to people who do their own thing that have their own parameters, and they're telling you something that works for them, where I'm trying to guide you through, that one week to 12 day type of dry, 10 to 15, like somewhere in there, like 15 max.

And that's what my intentions are for you. And so that advice will be different than someone who's trying to say, okay, I'm in a production based environment or I'm at home and I need to flip my crops. I need to dry in five days. So that's attainable. We can do that. We might still, you're probably gonna do, you might degrade from quad to trips, maybe.

But we can do our best to try and keep it there. But [01:01:00] there's ways that you can adapt and do that. Or when you're trying this out. Yeah. Newsflash probably the first time you go in there and check out your buds, they're going to be a hell of a lot crispier at day three than he actually wanted them to be.

Even if 

[01:01:14] Charlie: you wanted to talk about that, 

[01:01:15] Cory: you can read all of the books that you want to okay. Still we're going to go in there and go, ah, shit. Okay. So how, if this is 

[01:01:24] Charlie: something I wanted to talk about, because I think how the fuck does a normal person deal with that initial crash of humidity that happens with plants?

Because I think that's something I suffer with in those initial stages of exactly what you just said. I'll be walking in I'll trend it come in 24 hours later. I'm looking at everything's looking good. Leave came back second day. I'm like, what the fuck? These things are crispy and I'm smelling and smelling hay already.

Oh, great. So the second day, all of a sudden, the thing's [01:02:00] drying and seven days or whatever, like how do we deal with that crash in humans? 

[01:02:07] Cory: Yeah. Put your carbon filter on a timer and don't let it run the entire time. Let it only turn on for a little bit, try and figure out what that kind of exchange of humidity is.

And then if you're in a grow tent, the wonderful ghetto part about that is you can just pour water on the floor. You can totally do 

[01:02:24] Charlie: that. I use Tupperware, 

[01:02:25] Cory: I use Tupperware. I was putting water. Put a towel down and pour the water on there. That will hold it for sure. And then the other thing is you can smell the evaporation of your water and you'll actually have some more understanding of what's in there.

I digress on that one, but you can definitely put the towel in there and pour water. It'll hold, you'll see a 20% jump without even like thinking. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for 

[01:02:48] Charlie: that fucking gem. See, this is why I love talking to people like this is the shit that literally, I was like, if I can just make sure every time I do one of these personal [01:03:00] grow episodes, I get one little gem that just makes it that was it.

That was it. We're not 

[01:03:06] Cory: just going to cut the show now, but yeah, somebody told me about that and I put it in there and I remember loading my anchor bird numbers. Do you want to know something funny? 

[01:03:17] Charlie: My dad, it was notorious for doing that in hotel rooms. And we used to go on business trips with him when we were like in high school and stuff.

And my dad was notorious for just having a big business dinner and drinking martinis and having a wine and having a great time. We'd get back to the hotel room and he would just take the ice bucket and just Chuck it on the floor and just let it evaporate. So there'd be humidity in the room. It was hilarious.

You always it was just like the most classic move of my dad's every time Chuck in that ice bucket onto there, it was classic, but it totally works. Your humidity level know raises wake up in the morning and you got Cod mouth just from, breathing that air conditioned hotel air the whole time.

[01:04:00] So thank 

[01:04:01] Cory: you for that. The other thing I'll mention real quick, too. Earned is, again, you don't, if that air conditioner price is not what you want it to be there's definitely DIY solutions because you're in a four-by-four you're not trying to like, do crazy things. So how I adapted to that because Toronto climate is extremely similar to Houston.

It is on bearable in the summertime, 40 degrees Celsius. So like a hundred degrees and 105% humidity. Like you can taste it's ugly. So I needed to adapt to that by not, freezing out my house and causing that kind of electric bill. So we went and started Googling DIY air conditioners, and I found a Pinterest site and it showed me all these crazy things.

I was like, okay, I need to drill one, like all these hard plastic ones aren't going to work. So I ended up finding a big enough styrofoam one, the reusable star phones. Did you just buy it for five bucks or whatever? The [01:05:00] lids? Yeah. You just drill a hole in the side of that and put your eight inch air filter in there because in your bottom intake, you want it larger than the one on the top to create your pressure.

So I put that eight inch in there and I drove a hole on the top for a fan and I bought those big blue, thick ice packs and I bought six of them. So I would have three in my freezer all the time, three that were already frozen in there. Just turn on that fan, man. The temperature changes two to five degrees.

Boom. Nice. It'll stay that way for seven to eight hours easy. Perfect. Then he's putting the weights back, go to work, come home, rotate your ice packs. That totally works. Hello is another cheap. I don't know cost me like $40 max instead of air conditioners can go. And then the other thing is when you buy those little units, they're made to do this big room.

They're not made to do our tents. That's the only thing, 

[01:05:56] Charlie: I just got this massive air conditioner, massive [01:06:00] dehumidifier. And even when you have those two and you have a humidifier to back it up, like I went and got it so I could get the balance. And I had a range of 10, we're 5% or whatever the hell it was.

But yeah, I think that's such great DIY advice for someone's first year. If you don't want to make the investment in air condition, Do the Corey method, if you don't have, and then the other thing I'd like to say is all of your air circulation, your fans, whatever you use, make sure they're not pointed directly at the plants.

Cause that's also going to just, if they're going to dry too fast, have it actually the airflow being just circulating around, but not ever directly in line with the plant. So yeah, that's some good 

[01:06:44] Cory: advice. Yeah, that's a big one. I liked that, Charlie, for sure. That's a huge thing. Yeah. I I went off in a little bit to airflow you, Randy, but that's exactly the part of it, making sure it doesn't, blast it.

And is that your base, your fans toward the wall and then have it bounce off or down on the floor. So [01:07:00] it comes up or something, 

[01:07:01] Charlie: don't make it like you're going into some huge skyscraper building. And when you open the doors, you just feel like the fucking HVAC system, like negative pressure.

Like we're not going for that. We're not going for that amount of airflow. Like we're talking about good air flow. You're not doing it directly, that everything is mellow and trying to keep everything at a homeostasis as much as possible. So just like you said, that chlorophyll within the plant is not breaking down so fast and can do it at a slower rate.

And if you can control the temperatures, keep it cool and control your humidity. That is going to set you up for success. And then, I love the idea of because we all know it's going to happen, you're going to get a spike. Something's going to happen in the world. For my situation, electricity goes out, whatever.

It's just okay, now I know I I put like a tiny ass, little Tupperware. It was like the cutest little thing. And I still kept my carbon filter going. And I was like, this thing is way [01:08:00] too strong. It was like one of my buddies ones for it was a huge, I think it was like a 12 by 12 that he had, and it was just like, I had way too big of a system for growing or for drying my plants.

Hey, we all Frankenstein shit together. I love these little gems and just as these DIY is all the way to the professionals and I really do think it is important that you brought up the. Similarities and just how the same issues will happen to you. If it's your first time growing, or if you have a commercial licensed facility, you are going to run into the same issues.

No one is adverse to these things and all you can do, you, his plan listen, prepare, and what's going to happen. It's going to happen, but I'll tell you right now, if you listen to this episode, these things will work for you. You will, I have a better outcome than if you didn't listen [01:09:00] to this, because really that stage of drying and curing and it's just I want you to have success and I want you, you've done so much hard work to get to this point.

We just want you to get to that finish line, but regardless. When you roll up that first joint, or when you smoke your first weed, regardless of what happened, you are going to get high and you are going to be so happy with yourself that you've accomplished something. So you can do it. I know you can do it out there.

We've done it before we're going to continue doing it. I think it's just so incredible to see, this evolution that you and I have been able to really be, recently synergy or collaborate collaborations between us and just the back and forth has been so much fun. I want to be selfish if we can, I have a little bit more time if you do Corey.

[01:09:54] Cory: Okay. 

[01:09:55] Charlie: It's been so much fun to talk to you about dry rooms, but not even [01:10:00] dry rooms, but talking about just how your evolution, your journey has led you to the way that you operate and you grow cannabis.

I think it was really special to hear. And I've had you, I've heard you say this a couple times on all the different, audio, social channels, such as green room and clubhouse, but the thing that's been really interesting is how you talk about the medicinal side of it and it's never, until you have these type of one-on-one one conversations that you really understand the why.

And it's just really interesting to me to hear that now, because you've always had it with such conviction about the medicinal qualities of the plant and advocating and being an advocate for it. If you knew it or not the thing about that is that's so just refreshing to me is, you've just taken all these life lessons and some that are just very simple and systematic, but [01:11:00] then some that are close to you and close to your heart, like losing a loved one to the opposite side of what you do on a daily basis now. And I've gone through the same loss of a really good friend too, who came home from Iraq. And he just, he ended up taking his life, using those drugs and, it really has affected me to my core.

And I know it's affected you to your core and it's really interesting when you meet people like that. Who've had that experience? I guess the reason why I'm like putting this altogether is I just really appreciate how you've taken all these life lessons and, transitions and pivots, in such a.

You've taken it like an entrepreneur or someone who's really just has conviction, right? Like you're never going to let it go. No, hold you down. Or, not having the background to get the job and the people who are getting them are these people with PhDs and fucking agriculture. And you're like, how the hell am I [01:12:00] ever going to work against this person?

Or has an MBA and is at the top of their sales game. And here I'm coming in and I just have experience doing X, it's I really enjoy your journey. And I really enjoy it because I've got to see where it's evolved to and the conversations that we've had over the past year.

And with saying all that, I just. I'm really curious on what that evolution and like you and I have used these technological channels to, to continue that evolution. And it was really interesting when you said that technology, when you were trying to to hybridize or, those two at that moment in time, didn't work.

Now, I want to learn from that and I feel the same way. Like I've had these, technology, startups that I've worked with that I've taken a lot away from in terms of digital marketing and sales and e-commerce, and I'm always looking for the way to adapt that [01:13:00] into what I do and to utilize those skills.

But the question I really have for you because you and I are unique, right? We are two people who have learned from someone like tad Hussey and these other individuals and said, Hey guess what? I've got something to say. And mine's a little different because I'm not even coming from that cultivation background.

I'm trying to be the guy who's Hey, I learned from these people. I don't know what the fuck they know, but let me have a conversation with them and try to get the gems so we can all learn together and evolve together. And that community is so special too. It's who it is powerful. Like the amount of people who are willing to give their two hours of time to have a conversation with me about this.

It's really remarkable. So what the question to you is where do you see this evolving? Like how do you see us collaborating together in this way? I just, I'm so [01:14:00] interested to hear what from this and like your takeaways and where you want to see it.

[01:14:03] Cory: Man. Yeah, I appreciate the question because it's something that we already talked about a little bit beforehand. I can't remember if this part was recorded or not when we were talking, but, having that kind of aversion to social media and really not being public about posting, like what I'm doing.

Like even when you texted me last night and you're like, Hey, should we do this? Like on video or should we just do it an audio style? And even then my first initial was like audio only. That was the first thing that went through my brain. And then I read that and I did that second. New age, like relook that I'm doing with things.

And it's okay, no, like I know Zencaster, it's okay. You've done this with before, calm your shit. So that's, I was like, I already done this with Russell Bennett for my podcast, cool. And, we talked about the game for sure. In Canada and how it evolved and crazy stuff.

So it's that my kind of, my I'm still learning that and comfortable with it. I've had issues with Instagram banning me. I think, you've all had to a certain extent. And and I just [01:15:00] simply picked up the pace of what I was doing. I wasn't even showing plants, I was just showing like facilities and all of a sudden I got enough attention that people needed to shut me down.

So that's been where. I don't know the exact navigation of it, but I still want to try, because I know that I think that I have an important story to tell with just about the places that I'm working at currently, nevermind like my evolution as a human being and how, my spiritual connection with cannabis is that's a whole other thing.

And so I think there's two kind of stories within that to tell that just not a lot of growers from Canada that are going back and forth with Portugal, for example or actually have plants in the ground in Portugal, I know that this is a unique opportunity and it should be documented.

And so I'm doing my best to, take clips here and there wake up in the morning and just say, Hey, what's going on, everybody at resonate radio give them a little bit of a breakdown and kind of push that out to everybody and just slowly navigate that.

I think [01:16:00] that, and I know this is like a hilariously kind of like fluffy answer. You can tell I've lived in Santa Monica. But it's I don't know. I don't know the capabilities of what these, I feel that they're weapons and then a good way. Cause I think that you can like really use them to attack and get messages out there where again, using stoner science with real science, I think that there's a big opportunity in that way, where we can have conversations with folks that have, yes, they have strong trenches in the legacy of the traditional market.

They've fused that together with, working at a facility with 39 bloom rooms and having three to 5,000 plants per room. And really just seeing that with the evolution of seven different cultivars or, running a pheno hunt of that scale where we're popping. Oh, my goodness.

That was madness. I just remember having to fill out 52 batch binders. That's what a regulated pheno hunt is. Wow. Yeah. Every state is different, right? Yeah. So it's like insane. Yeah. It's [01:17:00] so different. So I feel that, for me being able to adapt from, knowing exactly what I'm gonna get per pound to converting my thoughts into grams per square foot, and being able to do that in different facilities, in different spaces, indoors, outdoors.

I think that there's a story within that. So yeah, absolutely. That the collaboration really is endless and that sort of way, man. And I'm all for, collaborating with positive people that are trying to really make a difference because, again, there's just some folks that don't have that.

Unfortunately they are cannabis medical patients, but they're still like rotten into the corner. Or they still have this passion and cultivation, but they're still like, not right inside. We're all still human beings. Yeah. And so I think that's really the important delineation is to really go through and vet us as human beings and then attach the cannabis thing to it.

Because the cannabis thing for everybody is such an emotional journey. Like every single time for everybody, it's not really just oh, I smoked for one time and now I'm a [01:18:00] stoner. Like people like talk like that. But when you really dig down and get to it, there's some sort of like fire that's like right in the middle of that.

All right. 

[01:18:09] Charlie: And you have to, and you have to separate that. I like how you said that because you do have to separate that from the person and the individual and, I guess the best way to put it is there's a lot of us who have had that impact with cannabis. And have that fire, but not all of us can resonate together.

Not all of us can collaborate together and that's totally okay. And go find your community, go find your people that you literally want to talk to every day, because if you're not feeling that way, don't fucking talk to them. That's the thing that's so interesting about these channels. And I think, my app, my outlook on this and why I actually am looking at video in kind of a different light is I look at it and say to myself, I am now in control [01:19:00] because now I'm saying I control the content and I'm a creator.

And that's what all gardeners and all of us who are within this cannabis space, ours we're creators. And to join that. Creation of cannabis and wanting to be a part of it and to learn from it and talk about it constantly, along with this love of technology and being able to disseminate information and learn information like podcasts, like Todd hut, tad Hussey, again holy shit.

Like how cool is it that you in Canada in 2017 found tad mean 2019 found tad and like literally sent us both down that path of saying, oh my God I need to learn from this. This is something I need to implement into my grows. This is what I need to implement in that. I 

[01:19:54] Cory: honestly, I wouldn't have went to qualify and taken my horticulture course if it wasn't for.

[01:20:00] Exactly. And 

[01:20:01] Charlie: I 

[01:20:01] Cory: wouldn't have done a podcast and he told me that he was going to go to a junior college course locally. And I was like, hold on, you, somebody that is that smart about things is going to hold on with all these things that you got to go. You're going to do that. I said, man, if I keep coming up with excuses, I just look stupid.

So I just wanted to mention that like how big of an impact that was like, it really made me think it's enough to email me back and continue to do that rapport. And it was this like, even one of those interviews that I talked about on that drive was because of tad because he sent my resume to some people in the industry.

That's awesome. 

[01:20:40] Charlie: Yeah. I mean you just the goddamn collaborative nature of these true community. People who have the correlating. Characteristics that resonate with you. And, it's just so much fun. It's such a wonderful community. And that's something that, I have the honor of having [01:21:00] Martin Lee of project CBD on and, that was something that was just so cool to hear someone who's been this frontier for me in terms of the eyes of cannabis and all of the information around CBD.

It was just like to have that conversation for him to talk about how the plant is such a community driven plant. It's just a fascinating thing for me. And I've also loved it because I've never been really religious. And so this really is my community that I've, we have shared beliefs, you and I, that we have now learned about, and it's just really cool to see that evolution.

And I'm just appreciative and grateful to be in this space. I want to see is and I think I love how you said that, like you got to get out of your comfort zone, you got to press record on this thing and just do videos. That's where now I'm like marrying the two of this social channels, but always backed up with my website.

That's going to have this too, because if these social channels say, no, we're not gonna allow this [01:22:00] content first. I would say be careful because if you do this to the Instagram, for instance, doesn't rectify the situation and they keep closing down and censoring us. We're going to move. We're all going to move.

And these companies that don't do it, they're going to lose out on billions of dollars. And the ones that do are going to be the ones that benefit from it. But I just love how you and I, and we've always found these new social audio channels, such as greenroom on Spotify. Like you were there at the beginning and you were a part of that history of doing the longest running room on green room 420.

Hours. It's just insane. And I, I, 

[01:22:44] Cory: we ended up reaching over 700, by the way, it was just awesome. We went over 700 continuous diary. 

[01:22:55] Charlie: Amazing. And, it's just I love that because these are the Steve [01:23:00] jobs and Wazniak in a garage room. These are the moments of it was cool.

We all knew what was going on. And do you just being the ringleader of it all was such an experience. I've just really enjoyed talking with you. It's evident that, we've definitely run way over our normal hour long podcast, but I wanted to take the extra time with you.

And I think, I just wanted to say from the bottom of my heart, I really enjoy every time we get to just be in a conversation. I think your perspective and your knowledge is, and your ethos is in line. And at least for me as an individual. And I appreciate you, taking this moment of having that background us definitely going way in and beyond the traditional, just like beginner grower.

But I think it was so important on just that journey that you've had to have that hopeful realization for the individual that it's all the same. It's all the same. It doesn't matter. There's no [01:24:00] difference in. Agriculture. Like it's there's no difference in this plant or this plant it's just growing.

And so I love that we kinda got back to the basics, but we also said be prepared and be organized and understand where your next move is going to be in the next couple of weeks and prep that, that space and learn from the grow, learn from these people. The podcast and these communities are just unbelievable.

And I just really look forward to just continuing the journey, utilizing video, and, having these conversations with your brother, it's been a lot of. 

[01:24:39] Cory: Yeah man, a hundred percent. I really I'm really looking forward to it. I again, my main client right now is in Portugal. So the time difference when we go Pacific coast to that is a little crazy.

But it's totally fine. We'll figure that one out. I know that there's definitely some things that I want to do in the future where you are about to definitely, near some of this format, we've talked about this, outside of this space, [01:25:00] but going live and having this streaming aspect as well is something that I also want to pursue.

We have cooking shows that don't have a visual element right now. And even though SMR is fun for some people, I really want to, get that streaming audits and also just reach out to more people. I love the green room but it has its own like niche. I love clubhouse, but it has its own niche.

And then there's all these other people that are already on these different established platforms where it's really important to make that connection with people and, again, just reach out and try and have that cross collaboration among the platform. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited.

I'm sitting down actually with another one of my creators. To talk that out. We had a meeting with my social media team last night. Nice. And just getting on board and making sure and understanding again, like some of these hurdles about the content that we're producing and the possible blocks that we're going to get from some of these broadcasters heck just from some of the people in chat who are going to come through that might have a different perspective of the cannabis information that we're pushing out to people, a lot of us are going to be pictured from some portions of the human being, some [01:26:00] portions of civilization where we're definitely not jiving, they don't believe in what we're saying.

And we're actually saying things that are going to be a detriment to society. And as funny as a lot of us like to think that is, that's still true, even here in Canada where we're in these legal format, one of the first interactions that I had with people in small town, new Brunswick at that largest facility.

Yeah. The first question that the person asked me, what are you doing here, et cetera. I told him, working at the cannabis factory and he goes laughed at me and said what is your wife going to think of you smelling all the time? And I said funny story, my wife actually works with me at the facility and you just saw, he was like brain explode in front of me.

We just couldn't even add them, like what was happening. And again, even in a federally legalized country where, you know, at a deep level, that facility that we're working at has replaced another industry. We are there to develop communities, and that's approaching another rant, but that's [01:27:00] really what the attitude needs to be of these large scale companies that you're really doing something that important there.

If you're going to a town and you set up a facility. Petting employer is Walmart. And McDonald's, you have an incredible opportunity does not only for the employment and the betterment of the community, because they're immediately paying more of these jobs, but you have the ability to literally change the cannabis conversation in that city.

And if you don't bother to take advantage of that opportunity, take a hike, go walk, and I'm going to enjoy reading your M and A's of the millions of dollars that you lose the takeovers that you have to endure because you can't float. That's I don't know. That's where my heart is within this industry.

I firmly believe that I'm trying to do this to just make changes. And I don't even, I honestly don't want credit for anything that I do. I honestly don't. I know that's really funny coming from somebody who's like at the phase of some like [01:28:00] radio station, that's pushing out media, but I just want to sit back and watch everybody.

Yeah. Move into that space and launch forward. I want to support those people. And so that's really what my goal is. I do that, at the facility that I'm currently helping out in Portugal is like, they have no fucking clue how to like spell cannabis, grow cannabis, anything, it's Buckwild over there.

And that is such a cool, unique opportunity to really build a foundational like platform for people to really jump forward. And that's what the opportunity should be about. So I don't even know where the hell I was going off with that, to be honest, I guess that's the forethought of my creation in the next 12 months, because I really want to make sure that act is still being had.

I don't just want to have that impact inside of. Essentially controlling some of the supply of medical cannabis to the European union. That's like my main pillar. That's why I'm doing this. Awesome. And at the same time with the media thing, like I want to have a little bit of [01:29:00] control of that conversation.

So maybe people are thinking I'm a control freak at that point. That's totally cool. Somebody has. And so I've taken on that role. I think cause it's really, as we know, and again, I love everybody in the cannabis community, but y'all are like herding kittens sometimes. Okay. It's really difficult to get us in one cohesive space of one unified thought it's difficult.

And so whatever I can try and do at this point in time from, I've shaved my beard off. So it takes away from, the visual of it. The gray hair that I have in here and the baldness on top of my head, I know Charlie, you're doing your job for me, but it's I have to do something with that.

If I don't help that conversation or do the most that I can to it, that I'm not doing properly. I don't know. I don't, I don't subscribe to the theory that you can do something at 115%. It doesn't really make any sense to me either you do it or you don't and you put 100% [01:30:00] effort forward. And so that's what I'm trying to do with these spaces in these audio channels is really put all the energy that I have, financial, if I need to cause the mixers and the microphones are not cheap as nope. And so it's really I haven't taken a single penny from anybody over any of it. It's all been personally funded just to try and create a safe space for everybody just to go and do it. Yeah. So I'm excited to just develop that further with somebody like you who's like minded and that sort of way, and has been really forward thinking and all of our communications, if there's something that's been bugging us, we like tell each other, we literally pick up the phone and call each other and talk and that's like the way it should be.

That's the way it should be. So I like to think that we're like trailblazers in the industry for. Even though we are, some of the older generation that's trying to do it, cause there's a lot of 20, 22 year, 25 year olds that are really just like utilizing these platforms in a more efficient manner.

And we're really learning from them. 

[01:30:50] Charlie: Yeah. Yeah. I think the one thing, if they're out there, they're talking about cannabis, I'd love to hear who they are and being involved with them, because that's huge. And if it all [01:31:00] has to fall in line, but the one thing I have to say that, has been a overarching thing that I've seen and it's going to be my closing with this is like

you have such strong conviction about cannabis. I have such strong conviction about cannabis. I believe that as you said, you're going from the shift of weight. Price per pound. And instead of now going to grams per square feet, like to me, that's, you're trying to just make that plant as healthy as possible.

So it can have as much vol, mass as possible. And to me, with that resonates with me is this whole idea of 

[01:31:45] Cory: we're all a slave to her. 

[01:31:47] Charlie: Like the cannabis plant is something that is so powerful. And it's one of those things that, if you do it for money, you are going, it is going to bite you in the ass one of these days.

And if you do it for [01:32:00] ego building, it's going to bite you in the ass on these days. And it's so funny how there's that correlation to, social media as well. And it's just that staying power and consistency and telling the truth. And if you can do that, you're setting yourself up for success, but even furthermore, it's as it evolves and other people show their true colors that's just the way it's going to be.

And you're going to have sticking power. And, at the end of the day, we all get to decide what we do and what we talk about and who we have conversations with. Choose wisely. But like at the end of the day, don't make your main intention about trying to get something back from the plant.

She's trying, she'll give you a lot, but you have to listen and you have to be confident with that, but we're all here for you. And if we're going to have hard conversations and you have to be comfortable being uncomfortable sometimes when you're like, Hey, what is your, what are you really trying to get out of this conversation or this meeting or whatever.

And so I just really appreciate, from this conversation, it was really cool. I wanted to hear your journey. I wanted to hear more [01:33:00] about why you do what you do. And so it was just so cool to find, of course we've had so many correlations, but just to see another brother in arms and to see it is so exciting to see what we're going to do moving forward.

And I'm so excited to see what videos and the evolution of Portugal and, you're really trying to create a regenerative, sustainable, business. And I just really appreciate that about your brother. Thank you so much for your time. It's just been awesome on so many different levels.

[01:33:26] Cory: Thank you for the invite. I know. Was supposed to happen a long time ago? Especially in cannabis industry days. I know this was booked like a few months ago for full disclosure, but I was in the middle of broadcasting over 700 continuous hours. And I just didn't know how that was going to work.

I just didn't think about that appointment at where I was in time and space. So I'm really thankful that you didn't say, oh black, even though you did joke about that you're going to blacklist me forever and I wasn't going to be allowed to come and talk to Charlie Crebs. So I I, yeah, I really do appreciate you giving me the opportunity to come on [01:34:00] here and talk about things.

And my closing is just, I think one of the main differences between me and this other crew or whoever else that's out there, doing their own thing within the space is that I just don't really, I don't mind being wrong. That's like the best thing I have really strong convictions through things.

So then people are like, wow, that guy is like pretty strong about it. We're not going to be able to get him off of it. No, like on the contrary, I've done some research, I've talked to some people and done some things, but it doesn't mean that I'm always right. And so that's why I don't have a problem with calling myself a subject matter expert.

One of my colleagues had to force it down my throat, but it's because I'm not an expert in a way it's because every single time, like you mentioned earlier in our conversation, when you make errors or you make mistakes, that's when you learn the true things. And that is the opportunity that I really strive for is learning off of those ones and then providing that consistent training, the persistent product, like everything that goes on through.

And that's the thing that I just, I really, I just, I really appreciate about the [01:35:00] opportunity that I've been put into and that the cannabis plant has really given me, it's been a really huge, it's been a really big patience game because again, the illegality of it in certain areas, Yeah, just everything surrounded with that has been a really difficult emotionally exhausted journey.

But, again, I really firmly believe that I, yeah, you're darn right. So I'm convicted about what I say for sure. Like again, been through some shit, but I'm not always right. And that's what I love to have conversations with people. This conversation actually came up with my client that I'm with currently.

Now they popped into the room a couple of times and they couldn't really a person, they put it for me who has done so many different things. Why I would spend time with like just, stoners or just, so it was a really interesting, and I explained it to them, why that's such an important like grounding spirit to have, because I need to know about these cultivars and stay connected.

Those are the people where I started from. You have to reciprocate that risk. And then [01:36:00] also stay on top for cultivation purposes. I got to know what people want, even though they might not think that's what it is. I'm going to hear what that cultivar that strain is. And I'm going to do research on that and find a terpene profile and see if I can recreate that.

That's the journey that it helps me. Yeah. There's value in those conversations. It's unbelievable. So yeah, that's kinda what I wanted to say with that. And again, I really appreciate you reaching out and acting like what I feel, what human beings should, obviously what we've learned about how human beings are supposed to treat each other growing up and from examples just doesn't happen.

There's a totally different things that actually happen. I appreciate you living up to those lofty expectations that I have. Cause I have lofty expectations. Who I talked to on the phone, especially yeah, it means a lot to me, to be honest with you. Yeah, I really appreciate meeting you.

Thanks. You a million. And we're going to be doing this again. I feel cause I'm having on my other side for sure. And yeah, I fucking love you, man. I really appreciate what you're renewing of your efforts and it cannot wait [01:37:00] to visit you. Cause I know at some point in time in my ping-pong journey before I moved.

That I got to get, make it to wait a second. You just said you want to 

[01:37:07] Charlie: see like-minded travelers who are doing cannabis and all over the world. So don't think I'm left out of that equation. My man, I will not be saying in the United States alone. I looked 

[01:37:17] Cory: for sure. 

[01:37:20] Charlie: Fuck. yeah I do fuck. Yeah, I do. Yeah, no I love you back, brother.

I appreciate you. And thank you for everything you do. I don't think people hear that enough. I think, you, you truly are. An advocate for her and for the plant cannabis. And I just appreciate all of the knowledge you've given and that you've given to myself and to all these listeners.

And yeah, I really do appreciate you, man. So thank you so much for making the time. I can't wait for us to do this again. And just like you said, six months in the cannabis industry is like, seven years. Yeah, we gotta do it again soon. So appreciate you brother. Thank you so much for joining me on this collaboration.

Special personal grow for [01:38:00] my one and only co-hosts. Haley Nagasaki and Amanda Reiman, where we're just going to continue this conversation about cannabis. And if you can believe it, Cory, you're going to be coming back and joining us for a clubhouse at three o'clock Pacific. I don't remember the date, but we're going to clap it in there and you're going to be joining us for a live Q and a.

So if people have questions about how to set up your grow room, or if there's anything else that comes up, join us for that conversation. And Cory will be there to answer any of your necessary questions. But I know there'll be a lot of gems in that one too. So can't wait for it, brother for joining me

[01:38:40] Cory: anytime Charlie.

Thank you so much, brother. Take it easy. 

[01:38:42] Charlie: Thank you so much for joining me for another episode of know, grow, create with me Charlie Crebs, and I can't wait to catch you next time. Thanks and have a wonderful day, everyone. Peace out. Bye bye.